Militarization of Police

Why Haven't We Seen the Body Cam Footage of Duncan Lemp's Killing?

It's been nearly four months since a Maryland SWAT team killed Duncan Lemp, and there's been no transparency.

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It's been nearly four months since Montgomery County police killed 21-year-old Duncan Lemp during a nighttime raid on his house in Potomac, Maryland, but the Montgomery County Police Department has still not released body camera footage from the incident, despite calls from civil liberties groups and Lemp's family.

Lawyers for Lemp's family claim he was shot while he was lying in bed during a March 12 no-knock raid by a Montgomery County Police Department SWAT team, who threw flashbangs into his room and fired on him through his bedroom window.

The MCPD says it received a tip that Lemp was in illegal possession of firearms, which he was allegedly barred from owning due to a juvenile offense. The MCPD claims Lemp was in "possession of a rifle" when he was shot. Additionally, the department says Lemp had designed a booby trap on his bedroom door to detonate a shotgun shell in the direction of anyone entering his room.

There's one way to possibly clear up these two conflicting narratives: Release the body camera footage from the fatal raid. But the MCPD has steadfastly refused to do so.

Reason sent two public records requests, one via third-party service Muckrock and another by mail requesting the body camera footage, to the MCPD. It never received a response to either, despite Maryland law requiring the department to acknowledge those requests within 10 days. The American Conservative reports that the MCPD rejected similar requests from the Firearms Policy Coalition, a Second Amendment group.

"Montgomery County has refused to confirm that body camera video even exists and the chief has refused our requests for the family to meet with him," Rene Sandler, an attorney representing Lemp's family, says. "That is where things stand for the time being."

A Montgomery county prosecutor also threatened Lemp's family with jail time and fines if they violated Maryland's stay-at-home order to protest his killing.

The MCPD and county can spring into action when it feels like it, however. For example, MCPD released body camera footage of the fatal May 7 police shooting of another man, Finan Berhe, a mere 24 hours after it occurred.

A friend of Lemp told ABC News that Lemp was a libertarian. Lemp's social media accounts show an interest in cryptocurrency and guns. ABC News also reported that Lemp posted on militia forums, although Lemp's attorneys say he wasn't a member of any militias.

Since his death, his name has been frequently invoked by "boogaloo boys," a loose, heavily armed, and very online anti-government movement. ("Boogaloo" refers to a second civil war or armed conflict between citizens and the government. It's also used by some white supremacists to refer to the race war that they believe is just around the corner, although USA Today reports that the libertarian wing of the boogaloo movement rejects this association.)

Boogaloo groups are under intense scrutiny after several violent acts by men associated with it. Federal prosecutors recently charged two boogaloo supporters, Steven Carrillo and Robert Justus, in the May 29 killing of a security guard at a federal courthouse in Oakland, California. Facebook announced on Tuesday that it was removing hundreds of boogaloo pages.

The Howard County State's Attorney's Office is currently investigating Lemp's killing. Montgomery County and Howard County, which are adjacent to each other, have a reciprocal agreement where prosecutors for one county investigate fatal police shootings in the other.

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  1. If Duncan Lemp was Black he’d still be alive.

    1. He’s black by now!

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    2. I really don’t get the general public midwits (thanks Mike Malice). If on reddit or imgur or wherever I say “white lives matter too” or “cops kill innocent white people all the time too you know” I get downvoted and dogpiled. I don’t even bother with “all lives matter” since that’s a white supremacist slogan these days. But, one time on a reddit thread about some cop brutalizing some white person I said, “black lives matter even when they’re white” and that got hundreds of upvotes. Baffling (not really).

      1. Why do you even bother with reddit and friends? Shit’s awful.

        1. What else is there? I mainly use reddit to browse shit about weed, shrooms, beer, titties, etc. but I also follow police abuse subs. I see lots of bad cop stories and footage in there that I don’t see anywhere else. *shrug*

          1. Well, considering your interests, perhaps reddit’s the best place for you. Let’s just say for interesting discussions, thoughts, and porn, imageboards/textboards are an alternative.

      2. I like the recommendation from Sargon of Akkad–
        “Each life matters”

        The idea is that saying “black lives matter” draws a box around a cohort of lives and treats them as a faceless collective. To say “all lives matter” draws a box around the entirety of humanity but still treats them as a collective.

        To say “each life matters” acknowledges the fact that there are individual humans at the core of the discussion, and that their characteristics or group membership irrelevant because they have fundamental human rights, same as anybody.

        https://youtu.be/yzVbgGtqgJk?t=2254


        I watched as a man walked slowly down the beach, picking up starfish that had been left behind by the retreating tide and tossing them back into the ocean.

        “What are you doing?” I asked as he drew near. “There must be millions washed up. How do you expect to possibly make a difference?”

        He paused, tossed another back into the waves and replied, “Made a difference for that starfish.”

        Each life matters. I love it.

        1. Pretty good, thanks, I think I will try that.

          1. Try not consuming feces while you’re at it

        2. No racial collectivism? I’ll lay 3 to 2 odds it gets no traction and is forgotten in a week.

      3. Many people are confused about the implicit meaning of Black Lives Matter. It means “black lives matter, too”. No one is trying to set the lives of blacks above those of whites. It would be enough to finally make them equal. Although cops kill a roughly equal number of whites each year, adjusted for population, blacks are killed 5 times as often.

        1. Population is arguably the worst baseline. Number of interactions between police and individuals convicted of violent crimes, split by demographics, would be ideal, but it is very difficult to properly determine, and imperfect due to plea bargaining, non-uniform reporting by police agencies, and other problems.

        2. Then say that.

          Its like ‘defund the police’ doesn’t mean defund the police – except when it means defund the police.

          Fuck that shit.

          1. Defund the police doesn’t necessarily mean drop funds to zero. But if you have a bunch of bored cops making up issues then maybe we have too many police…
            Maybe spend a little less on machine guns, armored cars, swat teams, black jack boots etc. and more money on public education and programs that support?

        3. “No one is trying to set the lives of blacks above those of whites.”

          You’re a month behind on that one that narrative has sailed

        4. Think about it. There are more females than males in the US but more males are shot by the police. Does this make the police sexist? No. Why? Because males commit more crimes. You have to go to the crime statistics.

          “Black Lives Matter” means whatever you want it to mean. So does the American an Confederate flags, remember? I black girl I dated asked me why white girls hate the word “c**t”. I explained the best I could, and she said “b**ch” did the same thing for black girls. Words are symbols, and you can weaponize any symbol and infuse positivity or negativity in any symbol. That’s why there should be very few important symbols, you should never weaponize them, and you should never sh*t on someone else’s symbol. . . that is, if you want to live in a society worth living in.

    3. Tell that to Fred Hampton, Black Panther summarily executed in his bed, because the authorities decided he would be a problem in the future.

      1. Yep. That was just 50 years ago.

    4. I’m awaiting for the corporate media’s guidance on this matter before I riot.

    5. You can’t possibly live in Chicago if you believe that. STFU. Cops LOVE shooting people as they know, whether it was a needed shooting or not, the pols and others will make sure they get away with it. God damn all cops as the useless, violent pimps they are.

  2. Yeah, it’s a real mystery.

    1. I just can’t fathom why they would withhold the video! They’ll just get QI anyway so make with the tape.

      1. Mebbe they sent it to where the Zapruder film was altered…

    2. We need to get rid of cops at all levels as they do little if nothing to increase our safety, and often, as is shown here, are a THREAT TO CITIZENS LIVES. Unfortunately, pols love cops as they can tell cops to go after their opponents without any danger of being arrested themselves. FUCK ALL COPS, and politicians who use them as their private bull boys.

  3. Montgomery County and Howard County, which are adjacent to each other, have a reciprocal agreement where prosecutors for one county investigate fatal police shootings in the other.

    I’m sure they do.

    When does SWAT raid MCPD for its violation of the law?

    1. In Tennessee the state bureau of investigation shooting review team investigates every officer involved shooting that I have been aware of.

      Adjacent counties investigating each other’s officer involved shootings? Stinks. No wonder these jurisdictions have questionable shootings.

      Maryland home of the original Ken Ballew Raid, Silver Spring, June 1971.

      A botched raid like Ballew, or like Fred Hampton the summary execution of a potential troublemaker to prevent future crime?

    2. Montgomery County and Howard County, which are adjacent to each other

      I are an economist

  4. Why haven’t you seen the footage?
    Well, if it fit the narrative it would have been released, so – – – – – – – – – –

  5. “Why Haven’t We Seen the Body Cam Footage of Duncan Lemp’s Killing?”

    That’s a rhetorical question, right? Right?

  6. “Boogaloo” refers to a second civil war or armed conflict between citizens and the government. It’s also used by some white supremacists to refer to the race war that they believe is just around the corner

    And we’ve rounded that corner. So here it is.

    1. Cultural appropriation by the leftists trying to steal another word from people of color:
      Boogaloo or bugalú (also: shing-a-ling, Latin boogaloo, Latin R&B) is a genre of Latin music and dance which was popular in the United States in the 1960s. Boogaloo originated in New York City mainly among teenage Hispanic and Latino Americans.

      (Just for the record, white is a color)

      1. Aren’t white (and black) not technically colors?

        1. If your really want to get technical.

          White is all colors, and black is the total absence of color.

          1. Unless, as would be appropriate, you’re talking about pigments in which case white is the absence of color and black is all colors.

      2. “Boogaloo originated in New York City mainly among teenage Hispanic and Latino Americans.”

        My wife followed the Boogaloo thread down the rabbit hole once, following enough links and message threads to probably get us on a watch list somewhere out of genuine curiosity. (She does this for any weird prepper-adjacent community she finds)

        A few days later I was telling my kids about the white supremacist Boogaloos, and she stopped me and explained that 95% of the boogaloos she read about were hispanic. (Which technically you can still be white and hispanic, but hispanics are generally not part of White Supremacist groups.)

      3. You’re very confused? What do leftists have to do with the Boogaloo movement… ?

        “Boogaloo” in this context is a reference to the meme by which sequels get the subtitle “Electric Boogaloo,” based on the sequel to the silly 1980s breakdancing movie “Breakin’.”

        “Breakin’ 2 : Electric Boogaloo” is the name of the second movie in the series. Civil War 2 is therefore “Civil War 2 : Electric Boogaloo.”

        1. Breakin’ 2 was almost just a remake, which makes refs to Electric Boogalu joking or sarcastic in most contexts.

          1. I can guarantee that most people referencing electric boogaloo have no idea that it was basically just a remake. The entirety of their knowledge is that it’s a sequel with a stupid but catchy hook instead of the number 2

  7. “The MCPD says it received a tip that Lemp was in illegal possession of firearms, which he was allegedly barred from owning due to a juvenile offense. The MCPD claims Lemp was in “possession of a rifle” when he was shot.” Even if true how can these petty violations justify a military assault with live ammo and flashbang grenades? What the fuck is wrong with these people?

    1. They do military style assaults when they don’t consider the person a threat. They do these raids is because cops think it’s fun to terrorize citizens and destroy their property.

      If the target is really considered a threat, the cops will surround them while they’re checking the mail.

      1. Exactly. The police present each one of these raids as yet one more example of the danger of police work. They are actually examples of the police intentionally making routine police work deadly for others because police officers want to have fun playing Army-man.

  8. Well according to a Harvard grad if you’re white and complain about cops killing whites that’s just a paper cut. Blacks getting killed by cops is like getting stabbed.

    That is literally the effect of a Harvard education coupled with severe Marxist disease.

    1. I was debating a chap online that was in denial about cops killing white people. Informed him that Tony Timpa was killed under the exact circumstance as Floyd but was tortured longer. He referred to Timpa’s death as “anecdotal”.

      1. Lucy VanPelt, in the comic strip Peanuts, had an appearance where she was teaching Linus “If you can’t be right, be wrong at the top of your voice”.

    2. She didn’t mention whites getting killed by police. She seemed only to be thinking about blacks getting killed by police. Harvard educated or not, many Americans are not aware of the level and seriousness of police misconduct around the country. She is one of them.

  9. Transparency in government?
    That’ll be the day.

  10. If white people rioted, looted, pillaged, vandalized and burned cities this sort of killing wouldn’t go unpunished.

    1. You left out rape and murder

      1. Ever hear someone say: “Where the black women at?”

        1. No because we can always hear them.

    2. lots of them are but they’re doing it in the name of black lives.

    3. The MCPD Chief of Police has stated that there is no footage. SWAT officers do not have to qear BWCs during raids, as FOIA requests then reveal tactics which could cause harm to officers in the future.

      The last shooting SWAT was involved in was the Discovery Building Terrorist.

      Lemp was a convicted criminal as a juvenile, in which, during a trial, a judge set forth a punishment that he wasn’t able to possess firearms until he was 30.

      very few crimes can carry a sentence like that especially into adulthood. They’re generally drug/gun related felonies or domestic violence felonies.

      Those cases are sealed from the public view even under FOIA requests by law.

      do any of you even understand just how hard it is to get a noknock warrant in a liberal, Democrat run County? damn near impossible. This wasnt the result of a single tip and a red flag raid, this was months of investigating. noknocks are only typically granted in drug related crimes where they feel the suspect will destroy evidence OR weapons crimes where they believe he is a danger to opening fire on civilians or officers. He wasn’t shot in his bed, asleep or through a window but after he confronted officers with a weapon… and none of them shoot without instructing a suspect to put the weapon down first. This wasn’t an execution.

      if you have problems with the speed of the investigation…contact Howard County.

      1. Wow, really? How do you know?
        No cameras, because “FOIA requests then reveal tactics.”
        Right, the police don’t want us to know what they do during raids, so how do you know what happened during that particular raid?

        “do any of you even understand just how hard it is to get a noknock warrant in a liberal, Democrat run County? damn near impossible.”

        No, it’s easy, really, ridiculously, easy. Here’s how the police can get one in just about any county. Ask a judge or magistrate for one, if questioned, say “somebody told me someone is selling drugs there. It is a known drug house, all the other somebodies say so.” If the judge asks, “who?” Say, “I don’t want to tell you, they want to be ‘anonymous informants.’ ” Law school graduate, experienced lawyer, respectable jurist then says “oh, in that case, here’s the warrant.”

        Even for no-knock warrants? Who cares? With a knock-required warrant, they (might) knock at 4:30am, (might) say “police,” then break down the door, and may start shooting, maybe even start murdering, in less than five seconds.

        If you want to stick to the no-knock warrants of your question and answer, do you expect us to take your word for it?

        Most importantly, though, a judge believed police that Duncan Lemp was so dangerous a no-knock warrant was required, therefore, what? Duncan Lemp must have done whatever the police claimed he did, so the police, the judge, and, now, we should just assume he was guilty. No arrest, trial, or jury decision necessary. A police on-the-spot execution is good enough, after all, a judge in a liberal county issued a no-knock warrant.

        1. Oh, by the way, if Duncan Lemp was guilty that morning, he was guilty of “had a gun.” That’s it. That’s the worst case scenario of the police accusation against Duncan Lemp that led to the warrant and raid.

          The “he pointed a…” or whatever the police claimed afterward, did not precede, and so is not a justification for, the warrant or raid.

      2. The crime committed by Duncan as a juvenile was not drug/gun related or violent.

  11. ABC News also reported that Lemp posted on militia forums

    Ugh. According to ABC News, Reddit and 4chan are militia forums.

  12. a loose, heavily armed, and very online anti-government movement. (“Boogaloo” refers to a second civil war or armed conflict between citizens and the government. It’s also used by some white supremacists to refer to the race war that they believe is just around the corner . . .

    OMG, none of that is fucking true.

    Its a bunch of morons measuring e-peens as they play out internet tough guy fantasies. I know, I frequent some firearm subs. They’re fucking teenagers through mid-20’s posing online.

    You’re quoting ‘research’ by a dude older than I am who has no fucking understanding of how online communities are and the strict differences between what one shitposter will say online – where he’s safe – and what he’ll say in public – where his momma might smack the cuck out of him.

    1. Is it actually possible for someone to be older than someone who still says e-peen which was a stupid thing to say a hundred years ago when it was first introduced into the idiot lexicon

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  14. A Montgomery county prosecutor also threatened Lemp’s family with jail time and fines if they violated Maryland’s stay-at-home order to protest his killing.

    That was in April. They should now be able to protest with impunity, even massive support.

  15. “armed conflict between citizens and the government”?
    Wait, I thought the government comprised citizens who serve at the pleasure of, and with the unanimous consent of, their fellow citizens. No?

  16. Montgomery County government? Democrats.

    Feh.

  17. Of course you don’t release the video. They know what happens if you do: public outrage, protests, your police getting arrested for crimes they committed. It is way easier to just suppress the video.

  18. Since we can only say Black Lives Matter, then the corollary is “WHITE LIVES DON’T MATTER”. Acknowledging improper white death in their minds only lessens the BLM movement. Surfing the web and urban area Newspapers proves it. Instead of the Knockout game, blacks are now playing the Karen and Ken game.

    1. The term “Black Lives Matter” is short for “In this country government policy has devalued black lives and the police routinely engage in brutality without consequence against black people, and we believe that black lives matter equally to all others.”. But that is too long so we just say “Black Lives Matter”.

      1. I doubt you’ve even bothered to read the BLM manifesto posted on their web site. Or for that matter, the outrage when anyone says All Lives Matter. look at the Harvard Asian that threatened to stab all white poeple for saying, while at the same time culturally appropriating black slang (Ima stab ya)

      2. And you can’t just say stop “killing black people”, or you’d had to address who actually kills the vast majority of black people.

      3. So the “BLM” non-sequitur is sort of racist because it implies that the speaker cannot concatenate 4+ words

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  23. Why Haven’t We Seen the Body Cam Footage of Duncan Lemp’s Killing?

    Because Fuck You, That’s Why.

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