Reopen the Schools!
These big disruptions to the education system are not necessary to fight COVID-19.

At a recent meeting to discuss back-to-school procedures amid the ongoing pandemic, officials representing a school district in Wake County, North Carolina, detailed a complicated plan that would require bus drivers to administer temperature checks to students.
Any student who failed the check would be denied entry onto the bus, and a parent would be summoned to come get them. But bus drivers can't leave kids alone at bus stops, so the entire bus would have to stay put until the child was retrieved.
"Bus driver should remain on the bus to continue supervising other students on the bus, while also visually monitoring the student," declared the proposed guidance. "Bus remains with the student until they have been picked up by their parent/guardian or until another transportation official arrives to supervise the student."
It should be obvious that this plan—which is maximally disruptive for all students, parents, and employees involved—will never work. You can easily imagine kids spending all day on a bus, their restlessness and frustration mounting, as the driver waits in vain for an adult who either couldn't be reached or can't leave work.
As educators across the country begin to plan how classes will function in the fall, many proposals to make schools safer from the virus involve heavy degrees of unreality: children in masks throughout the day, classrooms half empty to accommodate social distancing, playgrounds closed, heavy reliance on virtual instruction, and so on. These precautions are largely unworkable—it's no more reasonable to expect children to wear masks and avoid interacting with each other all day than it is to make the bus wait hours if somebody fails a temperature check.
They are also at odds with the current scientific consensus about the coronavirus: that the risk to young people is minimal, and that they do not seem to spread the virus easily.
There is much that we don't know for certain about COVID-19. But the available evidence suggests that reopening schools as close to normal as possible is the most pragmatic approach. In Wired, David Zweig has presented a compelling case that the U.S. should follow Europe's lead and let students go back to school with minimal disruption:
Let's review some facts: Children are, by and large, spared the effects of the virus. According to the latest data from the CDC, infants, little kids, and teenagers together have accounted for roughly 5 percent of all confirmed cases, and 0.06 percent of all reported deaths. The Covid-linked child inflammatory syndrome that received fervent media attention last month, while scary, has even more infinitesimal numbers. "Many serious childhood diseases are worse, both in possible outcomes and prevalence," said Charles Schleien, chair of pediatrics at Northwell Health in New York. Russell Viner, president of the UK's Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health, noted that the syndrome was not "relevant" to any discussion related to schools.
There is also a wealth of evidence that children do not transmit the virus at the same rate as adults. While experts note that the precise transmission dynamics between children, or between children and adults, are "not well understood"—and indeed, some argue that the best evidence on this question is that "we do not have enough evidence"—many tend to think that the risk of contagion is diminished. Jonas F. Ludvigsson, a pediatrician and a professor of clinical epidemiology at Sweden's Karolinska Institute, reviewed the relevant research literature as of May 11 and concluded that, while it's "highly likely" children can transmit the virus causing Covid-19, they "seldom cause outbreaks." The World Health Organization's chief scientist, Soumya Swaminathan, suggested last month that "it does seem from what we know now that children are less capable of spreading" the disease, and Kristine Macartney, director of Australia's National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance, noted a lack of evidence that school-aged children are superspreaders in her country. A study in Ireland found "no evidence of secondary transmission of Covid-19 from children attending school." And Kári Stefánsson, a leading researcher in Iceland, told The New Yorker that out of some 56,000 residents who have been tested, "there are only two examples where a child infected a parent. But there are lots of examples where parents infected children." Similar conclusions were drawn in a study of families in the Netherlands.
This is hardly surprising, given that closing the schools in the first place does not appear to have been a sound strategy for containing the coronavirus. Studies in JAMA Pediatrics and The Lancet have found ample reason to doubt whether school closures saved a significant number of lives. As Mother Jones' Kevin Drum pointed out in a review of the scientific literature, closures "have (a) little effect and (b) are probably nowhere near worth the tremendous impact they have on both parents and kids."
That's an important point: Reducing the amount of time that children spend at school is terribly burdensome for many parents who rely on school's day care effect. Keep in mind that public schools are funded through taxes. It's hardly fair for the state to confiscate vast sums of money from its citizens, in part for the purpose of child care, and then suddenly cease offering this service while keeping the money. States that want to make it possible for people to return to work—for the economy to reopen—really need to prioritize schools: They are among the first elements of public life that must return to a semblance of normality, and the risks seem comparatively low.
It won't be possible to have a completely normal school year, of course. Officials should axe egregiously risky activities—no indoor pep rallies, for instance—and adult school employees might very well opt to wear masks or take other precautions, especially if they are elderly or immunocompromised. Wherever possible, district officials should make it possible for at-risk employees to work from home, or even to take the semester off. But they should not force kids to stay at home, clinging to the delusion that distance learning under these circumstances is anything other than an horrible burden on parents, and they should not force kids to hermetically seal themselves in bubbles when they do return to class.
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Suppose the recent evidence that SARS-CoV2 has been circulating in the human population for 15 months is confirmed. Will it finally be apparent to all concerned that efforts to limit its spread are futile?
It's way too late for them to change their minds and lose face. No, this sad farce is going to play out to the end, with ridiculously detailed phases, fine tuned into sub-phases and executive orders and crackdowns by cops who have nothing better to do than show how tough they still are.
Pretty much. They can't admit they were wrong and the power is too seductive. And for a good number of people, this has given them an opportunity to virtue signal and show their political brand while feeling part of a larger cause. The mask wearers are not going to give that up easily or maybe at all. I have a bad feeling they will latch onto ordinary flu after this is over and continue wearing masks and feeling smug.
You guys are advocating a hands-off approach (equivalent to maximizing the number of deaths), and you are talking about other people being power mad?
Both Texas and Florida moved once again to shut all their bars on Friday, as those governors have identified bars as the most risky non-essential businesses currently open and cases and hospitalizations in those states are again spiking.
So tell me what political "brand" required the Republican governors of those Red states to reverse course? I mean, Texas is largely Republican, has a Republican Governor, a Republican Senate, and a Republican house.
Were they "forced" to do it... or, just maybe, they're responding to an actual problem?
..deaths are going down and will keep going down as the new cases are among younger people who do not die at anything close to the rate of old people. A European study of 175 million children over several countries ( including the U.S.) found that in people under 19 with no comorbidities, there were 45 deaths. Protect the vulnerable, but let the kids go back to school. The damage done to children by denying them education will be catastrophic and most borne by the poor and the disenfranchised.
It is an election year after all.
I'm sorry. I meant to say... "if it saves just one life."
When are you going to volunteer to die for the greater good?
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The point is not to limit the spread, 'that horse has sailed'.
The point is to slow down the rate of infections - more importantly the rate of hospitalization. A pandemic spread is like a chain reaction. We are just trying to slow it down.
We won't all get infected, but a very high percentage will.
Hahahahaha. If schools aren't fully operational by September, I think you're really going to see some pissed off people.
"It's hardly fair for the state to confiscate vast sums of money from its citizens. . . . "
Um, I don't think you understand how taxes, or elections, or democracy works.
And if the program funded by taxes failed, the only solution is more taxes.
Well, more funds, anyway. You don't have to increase taxes if you can find some other source of money, like civil forfeiture.
Fines and/or fees work well also
I can even more easily imagine kids running their foreheads as the bus comes in sight, and high-fiving each other when their temperature reading is too high.
One thought I have on this is to offer older teachers early retirement. It will cost some money but it might be a simpler route than trying to protect older teachers and staff.
Nah, just teach them to code.
The schools are just using this as a fundraising and budgetary strategy. Anything that they can argue to increase their budgets they are for. Theoretically not having kids in school should be the cheaper option but not in bureaucratic fantasy land. In reality not having people in schools should lead to decreased budgets but we all know that's not whats going to happen here.
The kids should all be canceled like school during the Rona because if any can be denied admittance because of the pandemic then that means they're not protesting the police etc. and that means they don't care about what's going on in the world.
Are there no prisons? No workhouses? No treadmills?
As a Koch / Reason libertarian, the first thing I want to open is the US / Mexico border. Until that happens we should #LockDownTheInterior — including the schools — indefinitely.
#ImmigrationAboveAll
But look at the bright side - the kids will be that much smarter for not having to go to the government indoctrination center for another semester or two. Some of them might be at that critical age where their eyes are opened to the idea that their "education" is a giant scam.
Well that would be all in good if school was really about education and wasn't really about having a subsidized daycare program and another state-funded jobs program.
Keep the schools closed until all the socialist teachers have died from the virus.
Or at least until protest season is over.
“Reducing the amount of time that children spend at school is terribly burdensome for many parents who rely on school's day care effect. Keep in mind that public schools are funded through taxes. It's hardly fair for the state to confiscate vast sums of money from its citizens, in part for the purpose of child care...”
Sad to say, but that may well be the true purpose of the public school system and mandatory education. I wonder if students suffered at all academically from not being compelled to attend school, and that it was parents, not students, who were the only ones harmed.
The whole thing was inspired by the philosophy of John Dewey. Dewey was a certifiable lunatic. He was the special sort of lunatic that only the intellectual classes can produce.
So it is true: Jefferson and Franklin are totally cancelled.
the Decimal System is the bomb.
Come ON. I mean, stop being stupid. Y'all are giving libertarians a bad name.
Yes, there are problems with the public school system, but are you so dense that you truly think that they teach nothing? Where did you learn how to multiply? How did you learn the planets and the elements?
If you learned from your parents, you are one of the lucky ones. The ones who need the public schools most are the ones who can't do that. The poor, the barely-making-it working class. The ones whose parent's can't read and don't care to learn, but who want to have a life better than minimum wage unskilled labor.
You entitled, elitist, pricks need to shut up and grow up.
>>Where did you learn how to multiply?
Texas Instruments Little Professor
Jelly beans for me.
Public ed has been a huge success for authoritarianism, e.g., 300 million submitted to house arrest imposed unconstitutionally by draconian edict. How many resisted, e.g., stood up the tyrants and challenged their authority? We may never know because we suffer from a MSM propaganda coverup. I don't wear a mask and risk arrest outside. And I am in the biggest risk category. But I survived public ed, psychologically. Most of my important knowledge was obtained by home/outside study. I am self taught, no teacher needed.
Every minute out of class and in home study is a good thing.
You seem to infer people against "public education" are again education when really "public education" has very little to do with education.
Problem #1 in public schools (illegitimate subjects take-over legitimate ones)
... because knowing where the planets are, what the elements are and how to multiply certainly is what keeps each one of us alive and competent. If I'm going to eat; do you think I care if my gardener doesn't know the mass of plutonium? If I'm going to build shelter; do you think I care if my carpenter knows where the planets are?
"public education" focuses on stuff very few will ever need and SKIPS everything people DO need to learn.
Problem #2 in public schools (Shockingly inefficient)
Many one-day seminars will teach people just as much knowledge as a DECADE of public school "bookie" lock-down. Industrial education teaches inside reality and therefore has amazing effects of which "bookies" will never-ever realize even after a decade. There is no "book" that will replace real live experience.
but "public education" will try for years on end to teach life experience education through a BOOK instead of spending 1-day in reality...
Problem #3 the new useful idiot degree
Politics that nobody but politicians and scam artists will ever use is taking up a good 50% of the subjects in public education. Heck one can study "female studies" for 20-years and still be the biggest idiot on the planet. That's not "education".
Our Commie education in a nutshell -
I learned how to drive a car in drivers ed in matter of weeks.
But after 12-years of "education" I still cannot figure out where 2ft & 3-11/32" is on a measuring tape is.
If there's one thing that has pissed me off to no end - and there have been many lemme tell ya - about this embarrassing gross over reaction it's how adults have projected their fears on kids.
I'll never forgive people who pushed - and continue to push - for obtuse and draconian protocols, online teaching and outright shut downs of schools.
They fucken claim to 'follow the science' but the science says this demographic is largely safe.
So why are we willingly engaging in this 'pant shitting' exercise that could have serious AVOIDABLE ramifications?
THOSE people doing this I loathe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=JSbT7JVNEU4&feature=emb_title
"So why are we willingly engaging in this ‘pant shitting’ exercise that could have serious AVOIDABLE ramifications?"
There is a very large sentiment in favor of dragging this out *and* keeping the economy in check until November...
That's just fucking evil.
Consider all the actions taken by governments in light of the science of socialist revolution.
I told my kids that it's rare for adults to get sick from the virus and very rare for kids to get sick. I told them kids probably don't spread it much, either. That's all the needed to hear to not worry about it. They finally saw their grandma after a few months and they weren't worried about killing her.
They are ready for normal school days. I think most kids are ready for normal school days. Unfortunately most parents are scared of normal school days.
"Reopen" EVERYTHING.
If chicken littles are terrified of getting sick, let them crawl in a hole and stay there, to the benefit of mankind in general.
Amen.
Our area is considering some kind of shift schedule. Either morning/afternoon or alternating days so they can maintain distancing. I'm sure both options will go over well with working parents.
Some schools in my area are considering split sessions. As someone who endured that from 9-11th grade, fuck that.
my Jersey high school sent us noon-5 my freshman year
We were 7-5 half the year, 12-5 the second half. (Highland, Blackwood NJ)
yikes. and soccer/hoops/baseball practices *before* school but games same-time in the afternoons as the regular schools it was beautiful ... Shawnee (go Renegades!)
It's yet another one of the solutions mentioned above. It's absurd and unworkable. There are two solutions. Go fully isolated or go fully in. Nothing else that has been proposed is remotely feasible.
Possibly you could stagger when schools start. This will let the impacts come in waves. The kids might not be in danger, but the adults will be. Roughly one in one thousand adults who are exposed will end up going to the hospital. The goal will have to be to keep the medical system from being overwhelmed.
We've been hearing two days in school, one day off (because everybody takes Wednesday off), then two days online. Or the opposite.
On Wednesday they'll "clean the school", i.e., "watch Netflix".
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Another murder in mostly peaceful Antifastan.
Disrupt the schools! They're boring prisons! At least that's how I remember it.
It's hardly fair for the state to confiscate vast sums of money from its citizens, in part for the purpose of child care, and then suddenly cease offering this service while keeping the money.
So they should give back the money.
Actually, if you believe (as many people do) that public schooling can be actively harmful, then it's better when they are closed, whether they keep the money or not.
Word from a teacher friend is that the union in Palm Beach County Florida will oppose any opening of schools this fall.
To quote yet another dead old white guy, "He that will not work, shall not eat".
Put that in your union contract and smoke it.
From a purely business and management perspective....Please send the little darlings back to school. Children at home can put a serious crimp on productivity. That has certainly been the case in my field. I have a number of full-time Moms (and Dads) on my team and it takes a lot of planning to work around childcare and home instruction schedules.
Just sayin...
Proper management evaluates a worker on their ability to accomplish the assigned tasks.
Interview question number one; "Is there anything in your personal life that might impact your ability to work under the conditions I have described?".
"... it takes a lot of planning to work around ..."
So... basically you're inconvenienced?
In Wired, David Zweig has presented a compelling case that the U.S. should follow Europe's lead and let students go back to school with minimal disruption:
The excerpted section is actually providing a reasonably compelling case. Except that he starts with the CDC whose opinions are no more relevant than my dogs opinions. The stuff from Ireland, Australia, Iceland, even Sweden IS useful. It is still missing one huge bit of data which I'm stunned is still 'missing'. Which is the current serological/antibody data for the under-20 crowd. Have they been exposed to the virus and developed antibodies - or have they NOT been exposed at the same rate as adults because schools were shut down everywhere early? Can't even figure out the infection fatality rate for that age group if you don't have that info. Nor can you follow that age group for a few months to see if there is some other longer-term issue re that virus and that particular age group beyond mere fatality - cuz you ain't even following that group for basic antibody tests.
I can't fault any country for shutting down the K-6 schools at least in March. At that time, pretty much everything about this virus was in the realm of the unknown. Except for the generically known (kids are a freaking sewer for spreading germs) and a core universal societal value (a society that doesn't have the impulse to protect its next generation deserves a societal Darwin award)
I would hope that that same decision for September is based on what is now known. I have no confidence that will be the case for the US since afaics the US has learned nothing about the virus beyond what the DeRps have chosen to politicize about it and turn into a partisan electoral issue.
"...a core universal societal value (a society that doesn’t have the impulse to protect its next generation deserves a societal Darwin award)..."
Yeah, 'for the children': the bullshit claim of commies everywhere.
Fuck you with a running chain saw, you cowardly piece of lefty shit.
You spelled "parent" wrong.
No surprise. When push comes to shove - conservatives believe children are parental property and that 'culture' itself (the means by which society transmits core values/etc through time and across generations) doesn't even exist.
everything. is. necessary. to. fight. covid. 19.
No, close the government schools for good!
Even pre-pandemic schools, especially large government schools, were cesspools of contagion for innumerable diseases and parasites.
Some of those parasites are large bipedal ones called government non-workers; and they cause government schools to be very costly and ineffective risks to our children's education and our wallets, in addition to risks to health.
"How About Permanently Closing Public Schools?
by Jacob G. Hornberger
Amidst the death and suffering arising from the coronavirus crisis, people have an opportunity to ponder some important questions about life and liberty. One question arises in the context of when state and local officials should force children back into school: Why should the state be involved in education at all?
Since all of us are born and raised under the public schooling system, it’s difficult to imagine a different paradigm, one in which education and the state are separated. But throughout history, all great achievements in liberty have involved people thinking outside the box and adopting a new paradigm, especially when the old paradigm has proven to be defective."
https://www.fff.org/2020/05/22/how-about-permanently-closing-public-schools/
Willingly sending our children to Government Schools is a form of child abuse.
Never let a crisis go to waste if you can just dust off a solution that you already had sitting on the shelf?
To me this smacks of credibility-destroying opportunism - no matter the ideology being furthered by use of the tactic.
And it is beyond idiotic to through out the best and broadest solution to a new crisis, only, because it is, also, the best and broadest solution to most of the prior existing and continuing problems.
I don't say throw out anything.
I am saying respond to the actual situation you face.
Saying something is the best and broadest solution to most prior existing and continuing problems? Well hey. You say dessert topping - I say floor wax
I guess the teachers are just supposed to take one for the team.*
*”Taking one for the team” is not a libertarian value.
Yeah. Just like they always are when they are exposed to all the germs kids carry around with them. It's not like getting sick is some new thing that never happened before.
It's okay now. The masks will save them.
Yesterday a gentlemen remarked his how difficult this is for especially for his elementary age children. Schools are the building block in social development for people; and we are social animals.
People need to learn the self-discipline necessary to accomplish change change effectively and unwillingness to exercise the appropriate and reasonable machinations, will have the opposite effect. This starts when the kids need to get off the streets and back in school.
ASYMPTOMATIC TRANSMISSION IS NOT A THING*
UNIVERSAL MASKS ARE USELESS**
CLOSING BUSINESSES IS POINTLESS
Ahem. Now that the important topics have been covered can we please, as a society, stop sticking a gun down our own throats and pulling the trigger faster than Frank Reynolds.
* It is not impossible but it is varying shades of rare and has only been detected between people in intensely close AND prolonged contact doing the sorts of germ-sharing things that families do but strangers do not. You will not catch COVID-19 at the bus stop or the grocery store from the man who is not symptomatic, unless maybe you kiss him on the lips; passionately... for at least several minutes.
** They only protect against forcefully exhaled (i.e. coughed) water/mucus droplets. Ambient virus particles free floating in the air pass right through (if the mask is air-tight and breathable) or around (if it's not air-tight or breathable) or you just look like a goof (if it's not air-tight but still breathable) or you suffocate (if it's air-tight but not breathable). The exception to this is N95-grade masks, which CAN filter ambient virus particles out of the air but if you aren't wearing an N95 mask then no your bandana or home-sewed mask is not "almost as good" or "at least it's something". What you are doing is 100% totally ineffective medical theater. It is a magic talisman you wear to ward away the evil spirits and nothing more.
Most of what govt. forces us to do is not in our interest (pointless). But most do it willingly, trusting their life to others just like a small child does with parents. Most are politically immature, deluded, self destructive servants of the rulers. Criticize TPTB and watch them defend the inhuman dictatorial control imposed and backed up by the initiation of violence against the innocent.
Reopen the schools?
Yes, indeed!
We must continue to firmly indoctrinate our youth into the ways of socialist slavery.
For too long, these urchins have been wasting their time on video games or worse yet, going on line examining the perilous, nefarious and politically incorrect ideas that infect internet sites like a cancer.
This political contamination among our young must stop or we may lose all our gains that we have worked and sacrificed so hard in turning our once foul republic into the socialist paradise just like they have in North Korea, Cuba and now Venezuela.
Open the schools and let oppression ring loud and long!
You sound like some kind of anarchy & order proponent.
How will most deal with freedom? All they know is law & chaos.
Give them freedom and they will reject it and choose oppression. Even worse, they will force it on those sovereigns who rule themselves, living free and letting others do the same. The ruled hate to see the unruled, the self-governed, the independent minds.
Never Reopen the Schools!
"In all countries, in all centuries, the primary reason for government to set up schools is to undermine the politically weak by convincing their children that the leaders are good and their policies are wise." ~ Marshall Fritz
"And what is a good citizen? Simply one who never says, does or thinks anything that is unusual. Schools are maintained in order to bring this uniformity up to the highest possible point. A school is a hopper into which children are heaved while they are still young and tender; therein they are pressed into certain standard shapes and covered from head to heels with official rubber-stamps." ~ H.L. Mencken
"Governments have ever been known to hold a high hand over the education of the people. They know, better than anyone else, that their power is based almost entirely on the school. Hence, they monopolize it more and more." ~ Francisco Ferrer
"Wherever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery." ~ Benjamin Disraeli
Please take the Contact Tracing course by JHU. It isn't that children are at less risk or transmit the disease less. It is about the teachers who have parents and grandparents to whom they transmit the disease. The focus needs to be broader than the children.
COVID-19 mutates approximately every 15 days, what we know or don't know about it changes every time. This virus is spreading into younger members of society, at the moment they tend to be more resistant to it than older adults, but that could change with the next mutation. It has begun appearing in some younger children with Kawasaki Disease like symptoms, it is being called Multi System Inflammatory Syndrome.
This is still the beginning of this pandemic, as this disaster progresses the virus will continue to change and in that process it will change us as a society and how we do things as well.
I already know how this will go, having worked in the field of public education.
The implementation this Fall will be as follows.
1) The schools shall point at some health guidelines and claim to follow them while telling all the parents that everything is great...
2) The schools shall pretend everything is great, while struggling with the fact that some kids will wear masks and some won’t, and both types of kids and their parents will loudly complain about each other and insist...
3) The schools shall act shocked when confirmed cases arise in schools that are 1000+ in size, like high schools, but sweep what they can under the rug while they can, reassure for a while and tell everyone that we are doing great...
4) The schools shall then panic and shut down in October...
5) The schools shall give students a break while they figure out how to implement an online solution, and will deliver a half ass semblance of such a month later...
5) The schools shall give the kids inflated grades and tell them all that they learned a lot anyhow, just like they already did this past Spring...
6) The schools shall restart all this mess in January, fail to learn from the past, and remember to adjust the dates as necessary, but go back to step 1.
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