West Virginia

It's Time To Leave Your City. Come to West Virginia With Me.

It’s not another Free State Project, just a way to live a better life during the coronavirus era.

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I am leaving the District of Columbia to work remotely in free, beautiful, inexpensive, friendly, practical West Virginia. I invite you to join me. 

You can live an urban life in Charleston or, just minutes away, you can surround yourself in natural beauty. You can work in policy or construction or whatever else a city offers. The cost of living in Charleston is just 80 percent of the national average. Real estate is especially cheap. For a $25,000 mortgage, your family can start over; for a $65,000 mortgage, you can do well in a great neighborhood. Have kids? The state will soon allow its first charter schools.

School choice isn't the only way West Virginians might enjoy more freedom than you do. With COVID-19 cases among the lowest in the nation, staying at home is now voluntary, not mandatory.

To assess West Virginia's relative freedom based on your own values, you can use the personalization function at Freedom in the 50 States, a website run by the Cato Institute. For me, individual rights matter a lot. So do taxes. A city or state that lets people keep more of their own money has greater trust in them and can make less trouble shifting money around.

The income tax in my bracket in D.C. reaches 8.5 percent; in West Virginia, it's a less disappointing 6.5 percent. Philadelphians at my income level will see a nearly identical 6.5 percent. If I lived in Virginia or Michigan, I'd land somewhere from 5.75 to 6.75 percent, depending on the city I lived in.

Property taxes are harder to compare because of local variation and disagreement among online sources, not to mention the wide variation in median home values. In Charleston's Kanawha County, the property tax is 0.67 percent, which is slightly above most counties—yet this is more than offset by a median home value of scarcely $100,000. This means paying less than $700 in annual property tax at the median. In D.C., the median homeowner might have a better house (median $640,000) but will pay $2,900 in property tax, about four times as much. The median mortgage is presumably hundreds of thousands of dollars higher in D.C., where mortgage rates add 4 percent to annual housing costs.

The sales tax in D.C., Maryland, and nearby Arlington, Virginia, is 6 percent, the same as Michigan and West Virginia, though Charleston adds 1 percent. New Jersey's is 6.25 percent. New York City's is nearly 9 percent. If you're escaping broke and broken Chicago, say goodbye to a 10.25 percent sales tax and one of the highest property tax rates in the country.

D.C. also charges a 10 percent tax on restaurant and takeout food, while West Virginia keeps it at 6 percent. I already shop in Virginia to avoid the District's sin tax on plastic bags, but this is not an issue in West Virginia, where bag banners and taxers have failed in the state legislature since at least 2011.

Meanwhile, the Tax Foundation's business tax climate index puts West Virginia slightly above the median with a ranking of 23. The worst three are, to no surprise, New York, New Jersey, and California. (The Tax Foundation also provides income, property, and sales tax rates.)

A negative: Charleston is one of several cities that charge workers a tax for the "privilege" of doing business. That's backwards. Businesses and workers are bringing economic fruits to the city and should be rewarded, not punished. 

I'm not proposing a second Free State Project here. I expect no particular ideological commitment. If the benefits of moving outweigh the costs of staying put—if you are a happiness seeker who is ready to move—that's enough. Vote or don't; I won't mind. Mere voting does not exhaust our civic engagement with our neighbors. Enriching our communities through voluntary action will make the difference.

When the young Benjamin Franklin saw a need in Philadelphia nearly 300 years ago, he didn't form a citizen action committee to lobby the city government. He just networked with engaged friends around town. That's how Philadelphia got a library company and a fire company. Franklin launched the library with 50 subscribers. His fire company launched with 30, and the idea caught on quickly. In his autobiography, he remembered watching "one new company being formed after another, till they became so numerous as to include most of the inhabitants…in fact, since these institutions, the city has never lost by fire more than one or two houses at a time."

Neighbors helping neighbors in need can overcome many challenges. Sometimes, though, it is better to emigrate for the sake of life and liberty, to take our mutual efforts toward happiness somewhere else. Remember, you can work remotely, too! When you're ready, I will welcome you to West Virginia.

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  1. West Virginia is a nice state. What people who have never been there don’t understand is that the coal fields and what you traditionally think of as “West Virginia” is in the southern part of the state. The northern half is less mountainous and more like Ohio or Pennsylvania and much less Southern.

    1. Even the southern parts of the state are breathtakingly beautiful. You can still walk up to bluffs and find little virgin veins of coal that were never commerically viable to exploit. I fell in love with West Virginia, which reminds me vividly of the Driftless Region of Western Wisconsin where I grew up, and I was crushed when I didn’t get a residency interview in Charleston. The only thing I didn’t like about that area was the horrifying amount of meth mouth I encountered on a daily basis. After the mines closed during the Obama administration, the drugs moved in with a vengeance.

      Incidentally, my mother lives in Morgantown at the moment, and I’ll be visiting her in a few days.

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    2. I’d want to see whether they tax IRA/401K distributions, SSA, or pensions. Then the inheritance tax rate.

      TN is a good alternative. I am eyeing the Knoxville area for retirement.

      1. Knoxville is really nice. It is a nice town and the country around it is beautiful. Forget retirement, I would live there now if I found a job.

        1. Yeah, I am busily engaged in re-training for my final employment act. I want the ability to work remotely in programming and data sciences. I figure a couple of years, maybe sooner if circumstances force my hand. When you get to the point where your savings are enough to carry you through, the mental calculus changes, John.

          I’d want to work to 60-ish. Then semi-retire.

          1. One of the offices where I work is in Knoxville. The woman who has my job there looks older and more frail every day. I so wish she would retire. I would be all over that job.

            1. Not sure if it’s a fallout effect of the 2008 recession, but a lot of Boomers seem determined to die at their desk, if they aren’t outright forced out of the seat. Of three guys associated in the same program as me, all in the same office, one finally retired at 72, another hung it up at 69 (and they basically had to push him out, because he was just coming in to collect a paycheck), and the last of this trio that’s still there is at least 72 now himself. I thought he was going to hang it up this year, but the career broadener that typically takes those slots ended up in another office, so he may very well kick off during a staff meeting.

              Usually, when these guys hang it up, it’s because they’re knocking on death’s door and don’t expect to live much longer. As much as I love my job, I really hope I’m not doing this shit into my 70s.

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      2. I’m out in Nashville, it’s beautiful here although housing/renting prices are starting to go up now that we’re the “next big thing”.

    3. Poor West Virginia – Reason stumping to overrun it with progs

      1. Yeah, because people who read Reason are mostly progs

      2. That was my immediate thought, lol.

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    5. Constantly fleeing progressive blight is a losing strategy. They have to be stopped, or eventually there will be nowhere left to go.

  2. Can you score some Droxy in WV? Trump says that shit is fly.

    1. Are the child porn laws more lax? Seems to me, someone with your proclivities should be more concerned about that than the drug laws.

      1. Do you snort or swallow your Droxy, John? Your Supreme Leader advised all you little comrades to take it. Do you mix it with Adderall like Trump does?

        1. I think the mere possession of child porn, while disgusting, probably can’t be a crime consistent with the First Amendment. So, I am just trying to look out for you shreek. Eventually, you are going to get caught with that stuff and it is five years in federal prison for every image. And people like you never just have one image.

        2. I don’t think Trump should concerned about what drugs you are taking, why do you care about what drugs he might be taking?

          1. Trump is pushing Droxy as a COVID-19 cure:

            President Trump has spiritedly backed hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, both in his regular news briefings and on his Twitter account. He has said the two drugs, when taken together to treat the coronavirus, could become “one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.”

            That may well be, eventually — but not right now.

            The Food and Drug Administration strongly warned Friday against using hydroxychloroquine or a related compound, chloroquine, for treating or preventing COVID-19 without strict medical supervision in a hospital or as part of a clinical trial. The agency said its officials have not approved the anti-malaria drugs for that purpose — and that without close monitoring for side effects, they may lead to life-threatening complications.

            https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/24/844212806/fda-warns-against-wide-use-of-the-drugs-trump-hailed-as-game-changers

            1. You are such a fucking retard. You are not going to do well in prison.

              1. Shorter screech “Trump has an OPINION!!! AS PRESIDENT HIS OPINION IS LAW!!!”

                Everyone else “this is why we laugh at you”

            2. “…President Trump has spiritedly backed hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, both in his regular news briefings and on his Twitter account. He has said the two drugs, when taken together to treat the coronavirus, could become “one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine.”
              That may well be, eventually — but not right now….”

              So he may be right, and turd here goes into a coke-fuled tirade.
              Go fuck your daddy, turd.

              1. Go fuck your daddy a little kid, turd.

                Fixed

                1. As a U of C Expert, I vouch for the accuracy of your post.

            3. “Trump is pushing”

              Which has what to do with you whining like a fucking bitch so much about it pedo?

              Trump is pushing Droxy as a COVID-19 cure:

              President Trump has spiritedly backed hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, both in his regular news briefings and on his Twitter account. He has said the two drugs, when taken together to treat the coronavirus, could become “

              Ah I see now, you’re liyng.

              1. Absolutely fascinating that he makes that claim when his own post definitively shows that Trump is NOT pushing it as a cure.

                1. Several years back, it became obvious it was worth reading turd’s links, no because they were inherently edifying, but to confirm the usually stated pretty much the opposite of what turd claimed they did.
                  He’s pretty stupid that way.

            4. Hey Kiddie Raper, I have a friend who has taken hydroxychloroquine on a maintenance basis for rheumatoid arthritis for over 13 years with no side effects. The drug has been around for decades, and millions of people around the world take it for years at a time, with no side effects.

              The problem is you’re a stupid, pedophillic, communist piece of shit that can only puke out snark and progtarded pablum. I truly hope a family member of one your prepubescent victims tortures you to death for your undoubtedly many child rapes.

              Or just commit suicide.

  3. On the one hand, now that so many companies have found that their employees can work just fine remotely, I expect them to start hiring people who live elsewhere in the country–so they don’t have to pay their employees a premium to live in California and New York. There are plenty of perfectly employable people who already live in places like Austin, Asheville, Boise, Fayetteville (Arkansas), Greenville, and Salt Lake City, and if newly remote employees are currently paying through the nose to make house payments in California and New York, they’re more likely to move to high quality of life, low cost places like those–even if they don’t live there already.

    On the other hand, why should American companies limit themselves to American employees in the future? It may not matter so much whether American employers can get enough Indian software engineers in the U.S. on an H-1B visa so much anymore–not if they can work remotely from India. I understand there are still open security questions about remote work, but it seems to me that once remote work becomes the norm, the competition for jobs won’t be limited by whether you want to open offices in foreign countries or the immigration laws of the United States.

    Once remote work becomes the norm, it isn’t just that southern Californians will be competing for office jobs with people in Idaho and Ohio. It’s also that people in Idaho and Ohio will be competing for jobs with people in Australia and Chile. Factory labor in China was cheaper, so all the factory jobs moved there, and the same thing will happen with office work for the same reasons. It will be easier and less expensive to replace American office workers with foreigners in the case of remote white collar work than it was to build factories in China.

    1. Like New York losing taxpayers to low tax states now, countries will feel competition from low tax companies. It’s bad enough if you suddenly have to compete with everyone else in the country for what used to be a local job–without the government artificially inflating the cost of hiring and employing you with income and payroll taxes.

      1. Should we expect “remote work” taxes? Asking for Mayor D.

        1. Yeah, it’ll be like an anti-immigration movement for progressives.

          It’s easy for progressives to support open immigration when they don’t rely on construction jobs, factory work, restaurant jobs, landscaping, janitorial work, etc.

          When the foreigners start coming for their office jobs, the progressives may suddenly content that they’ve always been at war with Eastasia [been in favor of E-verify] and eligibility standards should apply to every company doing business in the United States.

          P.S. We’ve always assumed that they would someday implement a massive exit tax for Americans who want to flee with their wealth, and just as plenty more New Yorkers will flee the city for places like Austin, Asheville, and Boise when they’re no longer tied to an office building in Manhattan, I suspect plenty of others will flee the United States for countries with lower taxes, too. I found NYC grotesque even in the best of times. If you’re willing to live in NYC just because you work there, why not work from some nice low cost low tax place South America? You’re in the same time zone!

          1. I may have forgotten to close a strike tag.

            I’m just sayin’.

        2. “”Should we expect “remote work” taxes? Asking for Mayor D.””

          More like Governor C.

          Many medical personnel who came to NY to help are finding out they have to file NYS taxes if they worked in NY for more than 14 days. You can bet NY will want money from people doing work remotely.

    2. The problem with remote Indian workers is the time zone difference. Every round trip question-and-answer takes a day. Not conducive to any kind of conversation. Too many companies think that doesn’t matter, just wave it away, and it usually takes a year or two to realize it is too big a stumbling block.

      1. I’m sure there are comparative advantages associated with being similar time zones, and I’m sure the importance of those advantages vary by application and industry. Untying office work from being at a specific location sets market forces free to flow as they please without that constriction, and they’ll want to flow to the lowest cost options as best they can taking those varying advantages in mind–just as they’ve always done. More work flowing towards the lowest cost alternative will still be the general rule just like it was with factories moving to China. If similar enough time zones are still an more important factor in some industries and applications, that’s still more international competition than just against other Americans within our borders or foreign nationals who can get a visa.

      2. Wait…what?! = The problem with remote Indian workers is the time zone difference. Every round trip question-and-answer takes a day. This has not been my experience. At least, not with application development or data processing.

        1. I’ve worked at several companies who thought Indians were the cheap solution,and were blind-sided by the lag in training them and asking questions. I can’t imagine any US company not having the same problem, unless someone was working night shift. They’re 12 hours different.

          If you outsource an entire project and don’t try to monitor development, good luck getting a final result anywhere near what you wanted. Every project, whether home grown or outsourced, needs constant monitoring, just because people are human and misunderstand each other. Requirements change. What was clear at the beginning suddenly becomes unclear or even flat out wrong once you get a couple of months in.

          1. Right but you told us you eat your own shit

          2. I’ve worked for companies that worked with teams in India, too, and it works better in some ways and better in some industries than others.

            Manufacturing some things in China makes more sense than others.

            And there are other countries that aren’t India. If remote work becomes a legitimate option for more and more office jobs, then office workers in Greenville, SC will also be competing with remote Canadians for jobs–in addition to unemployed office workers in Ohio.

            Don’t get lost in the details of India and your company’s experience. When office work is done remotely, the jobs will flow to the people who can do it the best with the lowest cost. To the extent that describes India for certain jobs, India will get them. To the extent other countries can offer the best quality for the lowest jobs, other countries will get them. To the extent staying in America still makes the most sense, Americans will continue to get those jobs–with more jobs flowing to states that can offer lower costs and better quality of life than others.

            If I were building an exact replica of the Giza pyramid complex in the United States, I’d hire a bunch of guys with experience operating, maintaining, and repairing heavy land moving equipment. If I were building the same thing in southern Sahara–say in Mali–I don’t know how much of that equipment is available or how many Malians know how to operate, maintain, and repair that equipment. In Mali, it might be more cost effective to hire a thousand guys with shovels and wheelbarrows–if they’re cheap enough.

            The point is, to the extent that some office jobs in some industries require workers like they have in the United States, office workers in the United States will be competitive. To the extent that other jobs require cheaper workers like they have in Mali, Mali will get those jobs. To the extent that office jobs require workers like they have in Indians, Ukrainians, Chileans, Colombians, or South Africans have comparative advantages, they will take those jobs from American office workers. If being in the office doesn’t matter anymore, then being within our borders isn’t a primary factor anymore.

          3. alephbet, my experience (now 15+ years) using India and East Europe for outsourcing is somewhat different than the reality you describe. This really is a case of ‘caveat emptor’ and ‘you get what you pay for’.

            First, it is true, if you go with lower end Indian outsource companies, the questions are endless. And repetitive. That is because these companies generally are getting entry level people and have poor coordination amongst their staff. I generally use India for straight data processing where complexity is not an issue. When you are outsourcing, due diligence becomes critical.

            This lack of coordination is much less evident in the eastern EU. That is where I tend to send application development, and higher level complex data processing. I can be a little more ‘hands off’.

            What I don’t outsource: control, and the actual ‘management’ of a project. That I keep domestic. Why? I guess I am a little ‘old school’ in this respect. Meaning, when I pick up the phone and call, there is someone on the other end of the line who speaks my language, understands the messages I communicate communicate by tone, and phrasing….and frankly, have my sense of urgency.

            Outsourcing works, but I would say it requires a different way of managing.

            1. I have a lot of friends who work in the industry and their experiences are similar with a lot of caveats. Many have tried to send their days programming work to Indian companies at the end of the day so that thev can add to it overnight. With the cheaper Indian companies that never works either due to turnover or a lack of training of their programmers. Too many mistakes and too much redoing of work. However with the more expensive Indian companies I heard a common refrain. When the projects started out my friends would spend a lot of time correcting the Indians work. That diminished over time as the Indians learned how my friends wanted it done. One friends company also had some success setting up occasional phone conferences with key personnel in India to facilitate cooperation. This required both sides to set a time out side of the usual hours so that both sides were functional. Another interesting statement was that while there were a lot of decent programmers at the better Indian firms there were never any superstars. The assumption was that these people either started their own firms or immigrated.

    3. “Factory labor in China was cheaper, so all the factory jobs moved there, and the same thing will happen with office work for the same reasons.”

      It won’t go to China, specifically, but those jobs will flow to the quality workers in countries with the lowest costs.

      If the English speakers of Singapore and South Africa are as well or better educated than the English speakers of southern California or Texas and they cost less, then those jobs will go to Singapore and South Africa.

      1. The time to cash out of California real estate is now.

        1. I suspect it’s hard for Millennials+ to relate Blade Runner (1982) or Escape from New York (1981) because the underlying assumptions were so far off.

          After Japan Inc fell into recession in 1991 and more or less stayed that way for 20+ years, it’s hard for them to imagine how people in 1982 might have bought into a world where the economic might of Japan and their technical superiority allowed them to overrun and take over California. Silicon Valley was a real thing, but it wasn’t a household term in 1982. The Apple IIe hadn’t even come out yet.

          The underlying assumption to Escape from New York may be even harder to relate to for Millennials, where white flight and the city’s politics of the 1970s though 1981 had left the city such a miserable crime controlled, violent husk, that in the movie’s future, the most cost effective thing to do with it was to seal it off from the rest of the country and use it as an open air prison run by the inmates themselves.

          Of course, that will never happen. At worst it would become like Detroit. Still, that plot line may become viable again in our lifetimes. The idea that if present trends continue, New York is doomed to become like it was in the ’70s again may be already viable.

          1. 20% of Manhattan, 420k people (and the richer end of the 20% too) have fled Manhattan. Not much reason to come back when it’s closed off and the places they fled to aren’t. Not to mention, thanks to NYC’s ‘brilliant’ idea to let people refuse to pay rent, even if they’re capable, landlords are about to go out of business, as are many restaurants and other small businesses. NYC is about to become the next Detroit.

    4. At a minimum, the current cycle of urban flight will accelerate.

    5. It of course depends on the industry, but I’ve seen lots of companies in the pharmaceutical industry try to outsource the work, and other countries just don’t have the right education or culture for it. Their language skills are not on par with someone in the US, and they cannot work independently. You get so many questions about how to do every little thing. It seems like it’s built into their culture to not do something unless they are explicitly told. Add in the 12-hour time delay, and it’s a complete nightmare.

  4. Happy Memorial Day, you motherfucking rat-faced pony soldiers.

  5. WV scenery is quite nice. I cannot fathom why I’d ever want to move there though. You might pay more for DC or other big cities but that’s for a reason. If you want barebones tax rates and such, sure, but you also get what you pay for.

    1. DC sucks. It used to have sort of a gritty charm to it. But in the 00s the tech trash moved in and K Street got even richer and now it is as expensive as New York of San Francisco but has a lousy climate and is still basically a small, southern city with some very nice monuments. It is way overpriced for what it is.

      1. I’ve driven through DC a few times over the past year. The place is a dump. Not as much of a dump as Baltimore, maybe, but that isn’t saying much. You’d think the capital city would be the jewel of the country, but that place is an embarrassment. Its leaders have no sense of pride.

        1. Anything run by democrats turns into a shithole once they’ve really had their way.

    2. Local, state, and federal governments spend $25,000 per year per person. I know I don’t get what I pay for, and I get plenty of things I’d rather not get at all, whether I pay for them or not.

      1. You sure as hell don’t get good roads or any of the other things you would expect a local government to provide.

    3. Exactly what do you think you get?

      And why should those things be payed for with tax money?

    4. Ya, you get what you pay for

      So if what you want doesn’t exist in WV, you pay for it.
      You don’t be a mooch and demand your neighbors pay for it for you.

  6. Right-wing Terrorists Looking to ‘Weaponize’ Pandemic, Says U of C Expert

    Pape is a political scientist and international security specialist at the University of Chicago where he directs the Chicago Project on Security and Terrorism which tracks terrorist threats around the world. He says that while Islamic groups like ISIS have been prolific in reacting to the COVID-19 crisis on social media, they have not been calling for attacks on Western nations or the United States specifically.

    “Their approach has been to label and glorify the COVID-19 virus as an act of God that is essentially visiting the angel of death on the West,” said Pape. “This approach is likely to backfire in the coming months as many Muslims succumb in the Middle East, in Africa and parts of Asia.”

    But right-wing white supremacist terror groups “are calling for weaponizing COVID-19 and we have already seen a plot to do so,” said Pape.

    He noted the case of Timothy Wilson, a 36-year-old Missouri man who died on March 24 in a confrontation with the FBI. Wilson was alleged to have been in the final stages of a plot to blow up a hospital caring for COVID-19 patients.

    https://news.wttw.com/2020/04/08/right-wing-terrorists-looking-weaponize-pandemic-says-u-c-expert

    1. It is good to know what the right wing terrorists who live under your bed and who threaten to turn your kiddie porn stache over to the feds think about all of this.

    2. How does blowing up a hospital weaponize a virus?

      1. The right is using the virus as a Casus belli.

        Here- read this:

        A political virus
        America’s far right is energised by covid-19 lockdowns

        Extremists see the pandemic as the prelude to the apocalyptic “boogaloo”

        https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/05/17/americas-far-right-is-energised-by-covid-19-lockdowns

        1. Only the far right would think the complete ending of civil rights and turning the country into a totalitarian state where no one can work or leave their homes without permission of the government is a problem.

          You called it dude.

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        2. Whereas the left is actually using the pandemic as an excuse to destroy the economy and provide a test run for the Green New Deal and New Monetary Theory.

          Gee, I wonder which one is a pretend potential threat and which one is actually doing harm right fucking now?

          And gosh, who would want to pretend otherwise?

        3. Sarah Palin’s Buttplug
          May.25.2020 at 10:19 am
          “The right is using the virus as a Casus belli.”

          Unlike the left, using it as a reason to end freedom.
          Go fuck your daddy, turd.

    3. “Right-wing Terrorists Looking to ‘Weaponize’ Pandemic, Says U of C Expert”

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    4. Ah, the old “anecdote = data” trick

    5. The hicklib finally admits that his precious blue states are suffering the worst from the coof.

  7. The Flynn case has become full on bizarre. Both the government and the defense move to have the charges dropped against Flynn. Judge Sullivan refuses to do that and starts his own proceedings to go ahead and sentence Flynn and possibly and bizarrely bring other charges against him. The defense then files at the DC Circuit for an emergency writ to order Sullivan to dismiss the case. The DC Circuit quite reasonably asks Sullivan for a legal memorandum explaining his side of the story before they rule on the defense motion. And Sullivan’s response is to hire a private law firm to write the memorandum. We have a federal judge who can’t explain his actions without hiring a law firm.

    WTF?

    1. “We have a federal judge who can’t explain his actions without hiring a law firm.”

      How does TDS translate in pettifoggery?

      1. Who paid for this? But, I don’t see where a judge can legally hire a law firm to do his work for him. He is confirmed by the Senate. That is kind of a big deal and not authority that can be contracted out.

        1. I agree, but so much of Obo’s spying on ‘enemies’ is equally egregious and yet the press and the DOJ turn a blind eye.

          1. I have never heard of anything like this happening. His behavior is bizarre. Federal district judges are way over worked. They are always happy to see the government dismiss a case and get it off their bench. For any sane person, this would be especially true of a high profile case like Flynn that is going to cause the judge nothing but bad press and aggravation. Sullivan’ s behavior during all of this really makes you wonder about the conspiracy theories of the IC having dirt on and extorting people in Washington. He is being extorted is about the only reasonable explanation I can see for his bizarre behavior here.

            1. So what is the remedy? What can Flynn or anyone do about it?

              1. I’m guessing he’d have to be removed from the bench, right, John?

                1. Sevo, do you and John go to the same GOP counsel meeting or are they different. I can’t tell whether you or John are GOP Suckoff #1 or #2. Can you clear that up for us?

              2. The DC circuit can order him to dismiss the case and that is about it.

  8. “The right is using the virus as a Casus belli.”

    And:
    “Trump golfs at his Virginia club amid the coronavirus pandemic ”
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/politics/trump-golf-course-sterling-virginia/index.html

    The HORROR! Lefty rag demands he should be at home in his lab, working on a cure! Or at least tugging his forelock!
    Go fuck your daddy, turd.

    1. But the Governor of Illinois sending the wife and kids to Florida on vacation while he is threatening people with jail if they leave their homes is just no big deal.

      https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/pritzker-says-wife-and-daughter-were-in-florida-before-stay-at-home-order/2272975/

    2. I prefer that he plays golf. It beats having him recommend that we all igest chloroquine or household bleach,no?

      1. Speaking from experience?

  9. East coast people need to stay where they are.

  10. I think this is our thread for the day, so I’ll restate here that come June 4 (the anniversary of the Tienanmen Square Massacre), maybe the only thing we’ll be talking about here is China’s bloody repression of the people of Hong Kong commemorating the Tienanmen Square Massacre with a massive protest against China’s decision to effectively rescind Hong Kong’s special status.

    The emperor knows that the bargain between the Chinese people and the CCP since Tienanmen has been predicated on the understanding that so long as the CCP continued to deliver rising standards of living and economic growth, the Chinese people would tolerate the CCP’s repression. Once the CCP stops delivering economic growth, all bets are off–and Emperor Xi is staring at the first recession China has experienced since it joined the WTO in 2001.

    The unemployment rate was 28% in Las Vegas last I checked. That was because the airlines and the casinos were shut down by the virus. With the virus shutting down much of China’s manufacturing activity only to have it reopen just as the consumers of their manufactured goods in the developed world (both North America and Europe) shut themselves away and are sitting on their cash to last out the recession, Emperor Xi will be lucky if China’s unemployment rate only hits half the unemployment rate in Las Vegas.

    That means there will be foreclosures, failed banks, and bankrupt businesses without credit in vast sections of the Chinese economy. A mere 10% unemployment rate also means 150 million former peasants teeming around in the cities after they’ve been thrown out of their homes for not paying their mortgages or not paying their rent. Unlike us, these people will not have a chance to cast votes for different leaders come November. Emperor Xi won’t have a party congress to blame for their problems either–the worst thing about being an emperor is that with no shared power to take the blame when things go badly, all the blame belongs to you.

    The revolutions of 1989 in the eastern bloc started with the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. The Arab Spring began in the aftermath of the Great Recession. Emperor Xi sees the writing on the wall. The local incidents that made those other movements explode were far smaller than the CCP’s mishandling of the coronavirus in Wuhan. They were much smaller than the democracy protests in Hong Kong, too. And they were smaller than what he’s about to do to the people of Hong Kong come June 4th.

    We’ll see how the Chinese people react, but the next couple of weeks could be historic.

    1. They can riot as much as they want, but I don’t see peasants with no weapons beyond kitchen knives winning against a modern military that is willing to massacre its own people, not to mention the largest military in the world.

  11. so, you are doing this just to write an article. Yawn

  12. The income tax in my bracket in D.C. reaches 8.5 percent; in West Virginia, it’s a less disappointing 6.5 percent.

    FYI, a number of states have an even less disappointing 0%.

    1. But then some of those states jack up sales and property taxes to cover it. They’ll get their money one way or another.

  13. If you don’t plan on voting to maintain the type of political culture that preserves such a lifestyle, then stay where you are.

  14. Also if you have never been on a West Virginia white water rafting trip you have never been rafting.

    1. Upper Gauley is a helluva ride, some of the best rafting I’ve ever done.

  15. Nothing for Memorial Day?

    Cpt. Kyle Comfort didn’t show fear for a moment. Gave us a “thumbs up” on his way out. He had an infant daughter at home he barely got to meet.

    https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/army-capt-kyle-a-comfort/4622028

  16. Kyle was a mountain of a man. He had a big laugh and was surprisingly sensitive. Make fun of him too much, and he could throw you like you were a toddler. Kyle was incredibly bright and motivated. He could have done anything.

    https://greenberetfoundation.org/memorial/kyle-r-warren/

  17. Chris was one of the most professional special operations marines I ever met. The camp that we built ended up being named for him, as the first American stationed there to die in combat. Chris was asking about his Afghan troops in his last moments, exhibiting selfless leadership right to the end.

    https://marineraiderfoundation.org/ssgt-christopher-antonik/

  18. I didn’t know Rusty as well, he was new to our unit prior to the deployment. He was young and fresh out of the Special Forces qualification course. He was tasked with a tremendous amount of responsibility far above his pay grade. He stepped up and did what was expected of him.

    https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/army-staff-sgt-rusty-h-christian/4494728

  19. Yes, come see wonderful Charleston, WV. But be sure to see it on the handful of days during the year when it’s not raining, or snowing, or sleeting, or hailing. And the real punchline is that the three months out of the year when it’s actually warm enough to enjoy the scenery is also the time of the year when they get torrential rain storms that pop up in a matter of minutes.

  20. Well, surest way to ruin it is to get a bunch of beltway folk to move in. Keep your mouth shut.

  21. I’m thinking New Zealand, Adam. It’s nice, friendly and not run by a lying piece of crap like Dear Leader. I’ve been to 48/50 states and I would say that West Virginia is ok, but I have a feeling that left to its own devices it would elect people that would turn it into a Christian version of Iran.

    My wife and I continue to fuck and if it turns out we are presented with another bundle of joy we would like to abort that little monster pronto. Can we do that in West Virginia still? You know, without having the government make us look at an ultrasound or try to guilt trip us into thinking about just WWJD?

    1. You’re certainly the best argument for abortion.

    2. If you are done vasectomy is near 100% effective.

      Will not effect your sex life at all.

      1. What if I don’t want to do that and my wife doesn’t want to use birth control because it makes her feel weird? Does that obligate us to having a child because you happen to be squeamish about such a procedure? I’m not. It’s my life and my money. Why should some church marm get to control my life or yours?

        1. If you want to troll the thumpers head on over to The American Conservative. I’m actually glad your wife aborts your spawn.

    3. You do realize you can’t have kids with a blow-up doll, right?

  22. It’s interesting that the “free states” are also, for the most part, the same ones which receive more federal dollars than they pay. In other words they are getting at least partially a FREE RIDE based on the tax payments of the supposedly non-free states. Bottom line is there IS no free ride. It costs X to run a society, maintain roads, build hospitals, provide clean water, school the children, etc. Of course there are variations and nothing is perfect, and some states do run more efficiently than others, but that’s the basic truth of it.

    1. It is the current system in use. There are other ways to do the same job for less.

    2. Aren’t a lot of those federal dollars for military bases and the like? Payment for the rent of land’s a bit different than welfare.

    3. Not really. If you have a progressive tax system, then wealthy blue states are going to pay more. If you have a progressive welfare state, then of course, progressives are going to send their tax dollars to their little pet project poster children in red states.

  23. Country Roads is a very underrated song about a state. I like it more than Sweet Home Alabama and California Dreaming.

  24. We drive through Charleston at least once per year, and it has always peaked my interest. We’ve stopped a few times for lunch, and it looks like a pretty nice place, but I’m actually surprised at how expensive some of the taxes are. I guess when you’re comparing with DC almost everything looks cheap. I’m in the Raleigh-Durham area of NC, and I think we’re even cheaper – without the meth mouth someone else mentioned.

  25. I really love all these proggies who are currently fleeing their shitholes just to come to the nice parts of the country and do it all over again.

  26. Author is pretty delusional. While you can find cheap real estate in Charleston (<$100 square foot), that is because Charleston isn't doing so great economically. Even then the only way you are getting something less than 100k if it is in a really sketchy area and needs a lot of work. The areas of WV that are actually growing are fairly expensive (in Morgantown most homes go for $140-150 square foot). That said Charleston does have the highest rated high school in the state so, provided you can find a job, it isn't a bad option.

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