Title IX

Expelled for a Night of Drunken Sex, $283,000 in Debt

A Michigan State University medical student was expelled shortly before graduation—three years after the incident.


When he arrived at Harry's house in Grand Rapids, Michigan, on the evening of April 23, 2016, Dev had good reasons to be a tad apprehensive.

The occasion was Med Ball, a yearly prom for students enrolled in the College of Human Medicine at Michigan State University (MSU). Dev was one of those students, and he had decided at the last minute to accept an invitation to gather with a small group of acquaintances for drinks before the main event.

He knew several of them—Harry the host, and two women, Jillian and Valerie—from a service trip to Cuba a few weeks earlier, during spring break. Dev had thought he'd detected a certain mutual attraction between himself and Jillian, though nothing came of it. After Cuba, she broke up with her boyfriend and entered into a casual, friends-with-benefits arrangement with Harry. Valerie's date for the Med Ball was Lucas, her soon-to-be-ex-husband. (All these names have all been changed to protect their anonymity.)

The night began with beers, wine, and Cuban cigars. It ended with hangovers and regret, following a series of alcohol-fueled arguments, dancing, some tears, and sexual encounters between several unexpected pairs of people. In other words, it was a night the various participants might well have been happy to forget—and move on with their lives.

But Dev can never move on from that night. Two years later, Jillian and Valerie told friends and administrators that the events of Med Ball had left them feeling deeply uncomfortable about Dev and that they didn't want to be in clinical rotation with him. This raised red flags, and MSU decided to look into the matter. On April 17, 2018, the university informed Dev that he was being investigated for sexual misconduct.

Following an abbreviated and opaque procedure that did not involve a hearing, Dev was found responsible and given an interim suspension. On February 14, 2019, Dev finally convinced the administration to grant him a hearing—but only to decide whether his suspension should go into effect. MSU ruled that it should, and Dev was removed from surgery rotation with only two weeks of work left. He was thus unable to take his final examinations, though this was the least of his problems. Within a few weeks, MSU formally dismissed Dev from the college of medicine.

Dev subsequently sued MSU for wrongful expulsion. By the time of his expulsion, he had incurred more than $283,000 in debt. As a doctor, he could have paid it back. But at this point, it is vanishingly unlikely that he will ever obtain a degree or practice medicine.

"I'm done," Dev tells Reason. "I dedicated 8 to 12 years of studying for this. That was my life."


In 2011, the U.S. Education Department's Office for Civil Rights released a "Dear colleague" letter to universities and colleges instructing them to take sexual misconduct much more seriously. This new guidance reinterpreted Title IX—a decades-old gender equality law—to require that administrators investigate any complaint of unwanted sexual conduct and adjudicate it under the preponderance of the evidence standard (i.e., more likely than not).

The feds also discouraged cross-examination during sexual misconduct hearings—the Office for Civil Rights worried this could re-traumatize sexual assault survivors—which had the effect of motivating many universities to move toward a single-investigator model. Under this system, a sole administrator decides which witnesses to interview, what information to include in a report, and what outcome should be recommended.

The new policies, coupled with a cultural shift toward automatically believing alleged victims, have made college campuses very hostile to the concept of due process. Students accused of sexual misconduct—usually men, and often men of color or immigrants—face an uphill battle, not just in proving their innocence but in navigating the byzantine campus Title IX bureaucracy in order to mount any defense. Students are routinely denied adequate legal representation, access to the evidence against them, the right to call supportive witnesses, and the ability to effectively question their accusers.

The situation for the accused is often so unfair that some students suspended or expelled for sexual misconduct have gone on to sue their former universities. Many have won in court. Of the 537 post–"Dear colleague" letter lawsuits, accused students have triumphed in a little more than half of them, according to K.C. Johnson, a history professor at Brooklyn College.

Dev's lawsuit is ongoing. The elements of his case resemble many others: a night of drunken sex that one party claims was consensual and another party remembers differently; a significant passage of time; an insinuation that eventually becomes a formal accusation; a fraught effort to mount a defense; a life-derailing finding of guilt. But with one court decision already against him, he's in a tough spot. He's financially ruined as well, and he can't afford the caliber of lawyer he needs.

It's a Catch-22: He can't dig himself out of debt until he finishes medical school, but he needs to win the lawsuit to have a chance of doing that.

"If [the lawsuit] doesn't work, I'm fucked," says Dev. "And it's probably not going to work."


Dev was born in West Virginia to Sri Lankan parents. They soon moved to the suburbs of Detroit. Dev excelled at academics and was accepted at Harvard. He graduated in 2014 with degrees in human evolutionary biology and in mind, brain, and behavior studies, and he decided to return to Michigan for medical school.

In 2016, Dev was in his first year of medical school at Michigan State in East Lansing. MSU has a satellite campus an hour away, in Grand Rapids, where some of the medical school's clinical training takes place. Grand Rapids was also the location of Med Ball.

The events of that night would eventually be chronicled in an exhaustive series of documents—including reports, lawsuits, interviews with the participants, and court opinions—obtained by Reason.

Dev drove to the pre-event party at Harry's, where about 20 people had gathered. It was a mix of singles and couples, all dressed in suits and gowns. Dev caught up with Jillian and Valerie. They were drinking, but all accounts agree that no one was sloppy drunk by the time the pre-party ended.

One person who was not enjoying himself was Lucas, Valerie's husband. Unhappy to be attending Med Ball—he was not a medical student—he quarreled with his wife throughout the night, according to all accounts.

The group took Ubers to the main event at Noto's, an Italian Restaurant. Med Ball began with a cocktail hour, then dinner and an awards ceremony, and finally more drinks and dancing. Dev taught Jillian the waltz and the cha-cha. The pair engaged in grinding, and Jillian told Dev, "I guess you're my date," according to his lawsuit.

Meanwhile, the fight between Valerie and Lucas had escalated. Lucas told his wife he wanted a divorce and stormed out of the restaurant. Valerie went to the bathroom to reapply her makeup, and Jillian accompanied her. She tried to make Valerie feel better, according to Valerie's account.

Valerie then disappeared, and Jillian went looking for her. Jillian soon found Valerie outside of Noto's, in the company of Harry—with whom Jillian was in a sexual relationship. Valerie and Harry were kissing, according to all accounts.

Infuriated, Jillian ran back into the restaurant and up a flight of stairs. She sat down and texted Valerie: "Just done. Don't expect me to be ur friend anymore."

When Dev found Jillian, she was "upset, fairly drunk, and crying," according to the judicial opinion. She explained that for weeks she had been sleeping with Harry, and Dev gathered that she was sad about seeing him kissing her friend. Dev began to comfort her, and eventually kissed her. According to Dev, she kissed him back enthusiastically, and they began touching each other over and under their clothes. Then they retreated to a stairwell.

Their recollections of what happened next diverge. According to Dev, Jillian took off her dress and willingly got down on her hands and knees for a sexual encounter. Dev tried to have penetrative sex with her, but was too drunk, and they eventually gave up.

"Everything was reciprocated," Dev would later tell the investigators. "There was no hesitation. If anything, there was eagerness." He recalled Jillian asking for his jacket to use as a cushion for her knees.

Jillian remembered things differently. She did not dispute that she took off her own dress, but she later claimed that she was too intoxicated to give consent and that she "shut down" during the encounter as "a reaction to the hurt she felt from seeing [Valerie and Harry] kissing," according to investigators. She said she never explicitly agreed to the encounter, but she reported that she never said "no" either.

Afterward, they went back downstairs, where they ran into Harry. The group then took an Uber to a nightclub and sat down on a couch when they got there. Dev left, and Harry apologized to Jillian for kissing Valerie. Jillian then admitted to having a sexual encounter with Dev at the restaurant.

Valerie had come to the nightclub as well, but had trouble presenting her ID—it was in her purse, which was in Harry's possession. When she finally made it inside, she found Harry and Jillian sitting closely together.

In her version of events, Valerie did not specifically remember interacting with Dev at the nightclub. But according to Dev, they danced together while Harry and Jillian were talking. She told him that he and Jillian would make a good couple, and Dev hinted that they might already be headed in that direction. But then Valerie placed her hand on his jaw and the two started kissing, according to Dev.

Meanwhile, Harry had passed out while talking with Jillian, and the club's security guard told them they had to leave. The group decided to go back to Harry's house. Jillian went to bed, while Dev, Harry, and Valerie stayed up talking in the kitchen. According to Dev, he left the room—and when he returned, he saw Harry and Valerie having sex.

Dev went upstairs to sleep in Harry's bed. When he crawled under the covers, he found Jillian. They were both fully clothed, according to Dev. He recalled trying to kiss her, but she preferred to sleep. According to Jillian, nothing further happened between them.

Harry later recalled the scene differently. When he entered the bedroom, he thought Dev was trying to cuddle Jillian. He kicked Dev out of the room, and spoke with Jillian for about 20 minutes. He later recalled being upset with her.

Dev retreated to the living room, where he laid down on a large sectional couch next to Valerie. Their accounts of what happened next differ wildly: According to Dev, Valerie was awake, made room for him on the couch, and reciprocated when he touched her. Valerie recalled being asleep and waking up to discover Dev spooning her and touching her sexually. She said she gave him a firm "no," and he moved off of the couch. Dev said Valerie communicated that she was too tired, and he desisted and went to sleep in another room.

The next morning, Dev drove back to East Lansing. Harry and Jillian went to brunch with another couple: a man and a woman. The woman had been at Med Ball and the nightclub as well, and she would later tell investigators that when she saw Jillian, Valerie, Harry, and Dev, they had all looked unhappy. No one was happy at brunch either. It seemed that Harry was mad at Jillian for sleeping with Dev.


Over the next two years, Dev had very little contact with the Med Ball crew, though he did move to Grand Rapids for school. He had tried to see Jillian again, but he gave up when she told him via text that her priority was Harry.

Things did not work out between Jillian and Harry. Jillian eventually filled out a formal request with MSU's administration to never be placed in clinical rotation with either Harry or Dev because it would "significantly negatively affect my learning and well-being," she wrote. (Jillian did not respond to a request to comment for this article.)

Valerie was placed in clinical rotation with Dev but felt uncomfortable around him and filed a request to be moved. Valerie noted that "a few other people" felt similarly about Dev. (Valerie declined to comment for this article.)

The double requests—Valerie's and Jillian's—raised the suspicions of MSU's administration, and Assistant Dean Angela Busch arranged meetings with the two women.

In her meeting with Busch, Jillian—who had attended therapy in the years since, had come to see her experience with Dev as sexual assault, and was now struggling in school—broke down in tears. She did not elaborate upon her history with Dev, according to Busch, but another student whom Jillian had confided in informed the dean about the incident. As a mandatory reporter, Busch was obligated to initiate a Title IX sexual misconduct investigation. On February 26 and 28, the dean informed the Office for Institutional Equity (OIE) that Dev had allegedly assaulted the two women.

OIE hired a risk management firm, Kroll Associates Inc., to investigate the matter. The investigators informed Dev of Valerie's allegation on April 17, 2018—nearly two years after the night in question. For reasons that will become clear, they did not inform him of Jillian's allegation until July 31.

Valerie had a month to prepare for her interview with the investigators. Dev was given three days. His interview was scheduled for April 20—the same day as his internal medicine shelf exam, one of the toughest tests for doctors in training.

Dev failed it—in large part, he claims, because of the pending investigation. "It affected my academic performance, to say the least," says Dev.

Unaware that he was facing potential expulsion and that he should consult an attorney, Dev allowed investigators to interview him. He had little time to prepare, and he did not fully understand that this meeting would be his only opportunity to challenge Valerie's allegation and present evidence on his behalf. OIE discouraged him from finding a lawyer, instead suggesting that he choose an advocate—a supportive faculty member—to accompany him, he says. (The use of advocates rather than lawyers is frustratingly common in Title IX investigations.) Dev decided that he did not want to "burn any bridges" with faculty members in case he needed letters of recommendation from them, and went into the interview alone.

"That was my folly," he says.

Investigators initially closed Jillian's case on March 5, a few days after receiving the report from the dean, due to the alleged victim's non-participation. Jillian was not interested in cooperating. But weeks later, in June, Kroll interviewed Jillian about Valerie's case. Jillian then changed her mind and decided to move forward with her own case. Dev was interviewed about Jillian in August.

The investigators issued their decision in February: Dev had committed sexual misconduct in both cases. He was responsible for the sexual encounter with Jillian at Noto's because Jillian had been too drunk to consent, and he was responsible for the sexual contact with Valerie on the couch because Valerie had not given consent.

In reaching this decision, Kroll purportedly used a preponderance-of-the-evidence standard, in which investigators only needed to be 51 percent confident that Dev was guilty. Investigators never held a hearing, nor did they allow Dev to cross-examine either his accusers or the several other people—Harry, the dean, various friends—who had made statements to the investigators.

Two days later, on February 14, MSU held a hearing to decide whether to accept Kroll's recommendation of an immediate suspension for Dev. Dev was only permitted to argue against the suspension, not against the verdict itself. Interim Dean Aron Sousa argued before a three-person panel—a panel composed of adjudicators whom he had hand-picked for the position—that the suspension should go into effect.

According to the lawsuit, Sousa conceded that the allegations against Dev constituted a story that was "at some level" about a group of people "behaving badly and hurting each other." But he maintained that Dev "took advantage of a friend" when she was not of entirely sound mind, and thus that the suspension "was reasonable and should be continued." The panel agreed and suspended Dev. Two weeks later, he learned that the College of Medicine had decided to expel him. (Michigan State University declined to comment for this article.)

Dev appealed the decision, citing a relevant Sixth Circuit court decision, 2018's Doe v. Baum, which held that due process requires a hearing and attorney-facilitated cross-examination in certain university disciplinary proceedings. This time, MSU granted him something resembling a proper hearing, though Dev attempted to argue that the adjudicator they chose—an administrative law judge named Mark Eyster—was biased because he was already aware of MSU's finding of responsibility against Dev. Eyster did not recuse himself, he allowed the Kroll report to be submitted as evidence, and while he did grant cross-examination of the witnesses and accusers, he also permitted Jillian to refuse to answer certain questions.

The outcome was the same: The judge ruled that a preponderance of the evidence demonstrated Dev had engaged in sexual misconduct. Nearly out of options, Dev was expelled from the college.

That Dev did ultimately get a hearing with an administrative judge ended up being a serious blow to his lawsuit. Dev alleged that the process was biased against him and that the various investigators and adjudicators had not properly considered whether his accusers and their supporters had incentive to lie to cover up their own bad behavior. But on December 10, 2019, District Court Judge Paul Maloney ruled against Dev.

In his decision, Maloney held that since Eyster had already factored in various considerations that could have helped Dev's case and deemed them not credible, there was nothing that could be done. Here is a relevant part of his decision:

Because the women were engaged in romantic relationships, [Dev] reasons, they were motivated to claim that their encounters with him were nonconsensual to protect their relationships. This may cast doubt on the accuracy of the proceedings if it were not considered by ALJ Eyster, but ALJ Eyster specifically mentions both [Jillian's] relationship and [Valerie's] marriage in his report. This was part of ALJ Eyster's credibility determination, and therefore, it does not cast doubt on the accuracy of the proceedings.

Maloney was also unmoved by Dev's argument that Eyster had allowed Jillian not to answer certain questions. Nor did it matter that Kroll's finding had been Jillian was too drunk to consent, whereas Eyster had concluded that Jillian was not too drunk but still did not consent. "The difference does not cast doubt on the accuracy of the proceedings," wrote Maloney.

In January, Dev's attorney informed him that he would be stepping down from his case. Regrettably, he didn't think appealing Maloney's decision was a strong enough option.

Dev is appealing anyway, but he's discouraged. He knows the odds are slim that he could obtain a more favorable decision at this point.

"Everything that I have falls into this weird grey area," he says. "I don't have any slam dunk."


It might be tempting to say that Dev simply got unlucky: A coincidence prompted MSU's administration to investigate, the investigators chose his exam day to interview him, the various judges were unexpectedly satisfied with the process, and so on.

The elephant in the room, of course, is Larry Nassar: an MSU doctor associated with the U.S. women's national gymnastics team who was convicted of serial sexual abuse. Nassar's appalling crimes captured the nation's attention in 2017, subjecting MSU to a barrage of negative media coverage that suggested the university had utterly failed to protect female students from predatory men. Following the Nassar scandal, the university had every reason to be more proactive about allegations of sexual misconduct. Indeed, the Education Department's Office for Civil Rights, which ensures that universities are complying with Title IX, initiated an investigation into MSU's handling of the Nassar affair on February 22, 2018—just a few days before the university launched the investigation into Dev.

MSU's failure to stop Nassar—who was credibly accused of molesting more than 250 girls—is, of course, a travesty. But a course correction that involves automatic suspicion of the accused and departures from due process norms is not the right remedy. Unfortunately, this is exactly what has occurred on college campuses all over the country.

Dev was accused of engaging in nonconsensual sex while under the influence, on a single night, years ago. He is one of many students who find themselves in this situation. According to The Atlantic's Emily Yoffe, 40 percent of alleged victims do not immediately report what happened, and the average period of delay is 11 months.

How can these men defend themselves against this kind of accusation, when neither they nor their victims remember everything that happened? How do they prove beyond a doubt that the people giving evidence against them—who themselves made embarrassing decisions—had reason to distort the truth, to disguise their own moral failings? How does an ostensibly fair system determine that exactly one person—Dev—must pay for what happened that night, and suffer the end of his career aspirations, social stigma, and permanent crippling debt, because of it?

"I'm broken," says Dev. "I can't fight this."

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167 responses to “Expelled for a Night of Drunken Sex, $283,000 in Debt

  1. Look on the bright side, this opens up an opportunity to bring in an Indian doctor to replace him.

    1. Or one of the highly skilled doctors crossing the US / Mexico border, but held in a concentration camp by Orange Hitler.


      1. Don't like the time -- Don't do the crime.

    2. “And often men of color and immigrants.....”

      Sigh. Is this mandatory now?

      Everything is so terrible and unfair. Haha.

      1. This is how you peel off some of the woke folk. Otherwise "believe all women" trumps "horribly unfair process ruins lives based on distorted memories."

  2. So the lesson is never go to Cuba.

  3. The occasion was Med Ball


    1. Bow chika wow wow

  4. The beginning of this article reads like a Word Problem. Which one of them left Chicago at 70 miles per hour?

    1. Meanwhile, the fight between Valerie and Lucas had escalated. Lucas told his wife he wanted a divorce and stormed out of the restaurant.

      According to my calculations, Lucas is the smartest person in the group.

      1. He got married in the first place, but then, there's a lot of knuckleheads here.

      2. Makes you wonder what they were arguing about, though. Maybe he ran into her and Harry going at it.

      3. My guess is that Valerie had increasingly been looking to trade up with her impending MD, likely had already done so with Harry, was treating Lucas accordingly, Lucas could read the writing on the wall, and had had enough.

        Twice when Harry and Valeris were alone that night, they instantly got busy. Bereaved at her impending divorce, or reveling in being free from her relatively low status mate?

    2. I thought so too. I could have used a diagram.

      But it's crazy to expect professional propagandists to communicate facts clearly.

      Their specialty is obfuscation, not clarification.

  5. The details of the event reads like something out of Penthouse Letters.

    1. This is the impression I'm getting. Harry's fucking everyone, Dev is getting fucked by everyone; just what kind of life is this?

      1. I'm guessing Harry is better looking than Dev, or else he'd be the target of this Title IX complaint.

        1. How do you avoid sexual harassment claims?

          1) Be good looking.
          2) See 1.

          1. It always seems to be a man/woman thing.

            Learn to appreciate the dick and you can get laid like crazy and not have to worry about this.

            1. So your advice is to get sent to prison.

            2. Yeah, no drama in gay relationships...

      2. Bingo.

        Harry and Valerie are the hot ones.

        Harry's been fucking Valerie on the side. With Valerie's impending MD, she's been looking to trade up from Lucas, and Lucas knew it. Jillian revenge fucks Dev to get back at Harry fooling around with Valerie.

        Now the ladies are busy blaming their skankery on the low status male on the totem pole.

        1. Note that by blaming him, they *made* him even more low status. Positive feedback loop.

        2. He makes them uncomfortable...

  6. (All these names have all been changed to protect their anonymity.)

    Dev, Harry, Jillian, Valerie, and Lucas were the best you could come up with?

    1. He should use Reason trolls for aliases.

      1. There are a lot of Lucases here, but who would get cast as Jillian and Valerie?

        1. Jessa Rhodes and Leah Gotti?

        2. Hihn and one of his socks.

        3. Misek and Tony.


      3. "He should use Reason trolls for aliases."

        I agree with Unicorn Abattoir.

    2. Pajeet, Hussein, Shaquandaneesia, Ming-Fei, and Jeff.

      1. Jeff, Jeff, Mike, and Jeff.

    3. Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice were already taken.

  7. It's a real shame what happened to Dev (and yet another bit of evidence for my suspiction that _all_ Title IX accusations are false), but that's not the worst thing about this story. The really scary thing is that Jillian and Valerie weren't expelled and will soon be in a position to make life and death decisions about other people's health.

    1. Believe all their life and death decisions.

    2. Theyll just be pediatricians

    3. " The really scary thing is that Jillian and Valerie weren’t expelled"

      Vaginas are *always* the victim.

  8. It's a shame that this young man is going through this, and it really highlights the absurdity of Title IX enforcement.

    However, this story also points to the absurdity of voluntarily putting yourself $283,000 in debt.

    I've got sympathy for his being railroaded and denied due process; the fiscal insanity in which he engaged does not endear me to any extra sentiments of compassion.

    1. Especially considering that while the debt will haunt him, it's between entirely possible and highly likely that he won't pay it.

      1. It would be some small poetic justice if student loans were bankruptable and the schools themselves were the lender. Then Michigan State would be left holding the bag here. If that's how it worked, though, I don't think 'Dev' ever would have gotten the opportunity to accrue a $283,000 debt in the first place.

        This situation seems like an opportunity to not only point out the failings of Title IX policy, but also the failings of federally insured student loans.

        Abolish the Federal Department of Education.

        1. Either that or it would become an excellent opportunity to see what the value of an education was in real dollars. Dev accrues $283,000 in debt, but the college is only really out $12,000 in actual education expenses.

          1. Probably a pretty accurate estimate. They'd also have to wipe other planned expenditures though: $87,000 towards indoor rock climbing structures, $36,000 for dormitory garden fountains, $53,000 to diversity supervisor salaries, $44,000 towards gender cognition research grants, and $51,000 to varsity badminton practice facility.

            1. My advice is go back to Sri Lanka enter as an advanced student and get your MD degree

              Then either stay in Sri Lanka and screw the med school debt or come back to the US and do a residency

              But state licensing boards may turn you down with the sex history

      2. the only ways he won't pay it are to drive Uber/Lyft to survive, and never accumulate any cash or assets that could be levied in a bankruptcy. Lease the car. Rent the apartment, or buy a $2000 travel trailer and live in a Hippo Pit trailer park.

        There IS something to changing student financing to where the institution itself fronts the education agaisnt thepayback wiht interest stream later on once the guy is educated and working. Of course, that mitigates in favour of the school more carefully vetting their mark.. to increase greatly the odds they WILL get the payback down the road.

        Then, if one of these charade events does happen they will also be more inclined to come up with an outcome that does not preclude their being paid back what they fronted. Outcomes of such folly just might not tend so near-unanimously toward expelling the dud fall guy.

        But what really astounds me is that this female voluntarioy took her own ball gown OFF in a publically accessible stairwell and cooperated in the reported coupling, the had the incredible corruption to report that mutually cooperative encounter as "assault". Seems her active role in the event rendered it mutually agreeable, as had she NOT cooperated it never could have happened. Further, any cry for help on her part would likley have been heard and brought a response at the time/place. Methinks she was quite enjoying the activity herself to interrupt it in process. Then to wait a year.... that's her own dirty conscience demanding some "cleansing" yet without any cost to herself.

        The scariest part of this entire mess is that she is now loose in public, trusted and looked up to as a provider of integrity, all a masque to her real personna.

        1. the only ways he won’t pay it are to drive Uber/Lyft to survive, and never accumulate any cash or assets that could be levied in a bankruptcy. Lease the car. Rent the apartment, or buy a $2000 travel trailer and live in a Hippo Pit trailer park.

          No. A loan that big he can readily get on a plan and qualify for forgiveness in 20-25 yrs. Especially since he isn't going to wind up a surgeon. He could qualify in less time if he goes to work for in the public sector or for a non-profit. It depends a bit on where he got the loans and how they're held but it's between entirely likely and highly probable that he wouldn't pay (and maybe I wasn't clear about this part) the full amount.

    2. This really, but Dev was undoubtedly assured by his betters that it is perfectly reasonable to accrue a massive amount of debt. Why, getting an education is practically a guarantee you'll make more money! Why wouldn't you dig yourself a hole for all that free money to fall into?

      I like these stories Reason, they make me feel a lot better about being a wageslave in 2020. I can act like a normal human being and the worst that happens to me is I bounce to another minimum-wage job.

      1. Well, it was for a medical doctorate, not a generic 'studies' degree.
        Absent a government takeover of the rest of the medical profession, he may well have paid it off.

        1. This. There's some degrees where it's quite reasonable to put yourself into student debt because your career choice will eventually allow you to pay it off. (It still helps to minimize the debt as much as possible and have a firm plan)

          My sister also accrued six figures of student debt as she went into veterinary medicine. Now she's a veterinary surgeon in an affluent LA suburb with a nice golf-club membership, operating on millionaires' overbred dogs.

          1. To clarify my position: whether it's reasonable or not should be a matter that's for the lender and the borrower to decide. Simply looking at profession salaries vs student loan amounts can yield pretty decent ROI's. However, that neglects to take risk into account. As it stands, taxpayers bear the ultimate, diffused costs of those lending risks. Meanwhile, the ongoing infusions of cash into the education industry drive inflation, and the 'necessity' of borrowing becomes self-fulfilling.

            I just personally find it frustrating that there are so many news stories that try to drum up sympathy for students who are being crushed by crippling debt. For one thing, nobody forced any of those students to accrue that debt; they assumed those liabilities of their own volition. Second, 'we' (government) compound the problem when 'we' continue to try to make college affordable with federal student loans (or even just borrowing in general).

            1. I agree, and I like your idea for student loans being financed by the schools themselves. Not that it would ever happen short of the total collapse of federal loans.

              1. It also addresses the insidious aspect of the loan game is that it effectively subverts Universities' educational services in favor of banking services. They become repositories of financial and intellectual capital rather than actual educational institutions and they end up as banks who's job it is to teach their customers worthless socialist claptrap and convince employers that believers in said claptrap are better employees rather than actually generating educated citizens that employers value intrinsically.

            2. It takes two to make a bad loan. The lender (who these days is usually the federal government) deserves half the blame.

              1. For sure, I agree completely. However, complicity of the general public in a bad system doesn't absolve an individual of responsibility for his/her decisions.

                1. My point is that the LENDER should also not be protected from the consequences of their bad decision.

            3. The forgiveness of student loan debt is about as regressive a policy as it gets.

          2. Is she hot?

    3. Dude, that's med school. There is no other option, unless you have rich parents. Over ninety per cent of doctors under 45 that you encounter will have that level of debt, or more. So, all you f**cks that demand socialized medicine better get that cost under control first. Good luck.

      1. Med school is crazy expensive, but I think that's a pretty severe exaggeration.

        "Eight out of 10 medical school graduates borrow to earn their degree — and most take on six-figure debt with 18% borrowing $300,000 or more."


        There's always other options. It's extremely difficult to complete med school without incurring debt if you don't already have considerable savings. However, it's very possible to complete it with much less than 300k in student loans.

        The pervasive attitude that young adults are powerless to succeed without being victim to a screwed up system is what fuels that self-perpetuating system.

        1. "powerless to succeed without being victim to a screwed up system is what fuels that self-perpetuating system", Perfectly stated...

          ... And thanks to legislative standards that force people to feed the "screwed up system". I wish those in the markets that were still allowed to hire based on workmanship weren't so arrogantly prideful of their own commie education certificates that they all know deep down represent absolutely nothing but their dedication to obedience.

          The tide's are turning; just wish they'd turn faster. Lets face it; everyone (no matter if they have none or 8-years of commie education) must be taught the entire job at the job. Education doesn't happen at commie educational institutes. They happen in the *real* world; which makes *real* education a job for the free-market.

    4. Only Commie Education could create a "Title IX bureaucracy", generate campus wars (student contempt) over guest-speakers, create a bill worth more than a house + land in a 1/3rd of the time, and indoctrinate pure lunacy while planting nationwide prejudices about the level of lunacy one obtains.

  9. sluts require the most attention.

    1. Men are bigger sluts than any woman ever is.

      1. statement was gender-neutral

      2. Bigger, as in more partners, yes. The numbers capable of doing so are few. Any woman can be a slut. Someone like George Wendt? Not so much.

        1. The net result has to be equal, unless most men are bisexual.

          Otherwise, the math just doesn't work out.

          We had that discussion here several years ago. Some study or other put the average number of partners for women at a much lower number than the average for men - like 1/3 as much or maybe a higher ratio.

          As averages, that's just impossible. The median might be off a bit - but every slip to one side or the other means the outliers are really skewed, with a large percentage of women having many more partners than almost any man.

          Every heterosexual encounter includes a penis and a vagina. You really can't escape that math, no matter what the person attached to those things says on a survey.

          1. You know...that sort of thinking could revolutionize sexual relations and tank genders studies programs across the nation.

      3. Heterosexual mankind haves exactly as much sex as heterosexual womankind.

        If the assertion is that individual woman are more prone to having a wider variety of men for sex then they would be by definition the “sluts” I would prose the number is more or less equal as each sex act has one man and one woman generally; multi partner sex is not as quantifiable.

        1. Meh, even the “heterosexual” qualifier is blurred. What looks like hetero sex is subject to the participants self identification, even if it involves one penis and one vagina. This skews the numbers.


  10. When the only tool you've got is a Title IX, suddenly every problem looks like a Larry Nassar.

  11. As much as this ‘Dev’ fella is getting shafted, I’m not so sure he would have made a good doctor.

  12. This guy is in trouble because the woman claims he should be held responsible for decisions she made while drunk and regretted. Not that he got her drunk or did something to her while she was too much in a semi-conscious state to object. No, just because she did not not like her own poor decision making that night and someone else needs to be held responsible for it.

    1. In reaching this decision, Kroll purportedly used a preponderance-of-the-evidence standard, in which investigators only needed to be 51 percent confident that Dev was guilty.

      How to you get to 51% or even 10% with no physical evidence? Just he-said she-said?

      1. I am not even sure how you can put it in terms of a specific percentage like "51 %" without pulling it out of your backside.

        1. Exactly. But it sounds more, um, scientific than "Do you think it's more like than not that he's guilty?".

        2. without pulling it out of your backside

          Now that would be something out of penthouse letters.

      2. with no physical evidence?

        Dev has a penis. What more evidence do you want?

        1. If Dev would just get with the program and identity as a chick, poof, this all goes away.

          1. Madam, this entire case hinged on the rampant homophobia that pervades this establishment!

      3. It's easy to reach a "preponderance of evidence" when you don't allow one side to present any evidence. And also when you take unconfirmable vague recollections of a drunken night years ago as "evidence" for the other side.

      4. 56% of the student population is female, 91+% of them #believeallwomen. QED.

        Can't wait until one of these posses-sans-witch is revealed to be composed of an impartial collection of genders (all women) and somebody sues on Title IX grounds.

      5. "How to you get to 51% or even 10% with no physical evidence? Just he-said she-said?"

        That's easy. He said, she said. That's 30% he's lying, 30% she's lying and 40% they are both lying.. Add in the Woke factor of +21% and you get the 51% in her favor.

        Woke math.

    2. What happened is that she later felt very uncomfortable about the stupid decisions she made and didn't want to be reminded of them. As time passed, it because easier to blame someone else for her decisions rather than just trying to move on.

      1. And also, very little actually happened, as I read between the lines, because he was too intoxicated for his equipment to function properly.

        1. Makes me more sympathetic to Dev. It's one thing if you can get your rocks off, but this guy has nothing to show for the entire debacle than nearly $300k debt and some blue balls.

        2. "too intoxicated"

          Is that it?

          Maybe she just wasn't that pretty...

    3. This. I’m sick of this shit. Women are strong. They’re independent. They have agency. Gurrrl Power. Bullshit. They’re never responsible for themselves. Fucking bitches.

    4. Male/female responsibility is the same for sex and abortion:
      Woman's Body
      Woman's Choice
      Man's Responsibility

      1. ^^^ Exactly - right on the mark!!!!

  13. Jesus Christ, I hope I never have any of these people as a doctor.

    1. I know. Who wants a doctor that can't give you an erection.

  14. This line is particularly troubling: "Jillian—who had attended therapy in the years since, had come to see her experience with Dev as sexual assault." If consent can be revoked retroactively literally every sexual interaction could be grounds for an accusation of sexual assault.

    1. It's almost like therapists are trying to convince people they're victims of trauma. Otherwise why would they need a therapist?

      1. Well, therapists *could* try to convince people they're recipients of divine guidance.

      2. Which response keeps clients coming in?
        1) It's your fault.
        2) You're the victim.

        Which psychologist makes more money?
        1) The one that cures mental illness in one session.
        2) The one that validates a patient's mental illness?

        Getting patients is the hard part. Keeping them is easy.

      3. Everything is so terrible and unfair. Haven’t you heard?

    2. "If consent can be revoked retroactively literally every sexual interaction could be grounds for an accusation of sexual assault."

      Yes. That's the current state of things.

    3. Are you trying to imply that some these Title IX cases are like the Satanic Ritual Abuse cases against daycare workers, the product of busybody therapists creating crimes that didn't happen? That "Believe her about rape" is like "Children don't lie about abuse" -- not an absolute truism? That after years of digging at repressed memories, therapists often end up encouraging the patient to fabricate memories to please the therapist? Sounds like you may need a therapist.

  15. Jillian remembered things differently. She did not dispute that she took off her own dress, but she later claimed that she was too intoxicated to give consent and that she "shut down" during the encounter as "a reaction to the hurt she felt from seeing [Valerie and Harry] kissing," according to investigators. She said she never explicitly agreed to the encounter, but she reported that she never said "no" either.

    So, in the middle of a sexual assault, she "shut down" because her friend and her not-boyfriend were kissing? Seems like her own testimony is enough to confirm that he wasn't sexually assaulting her.

    If it weren't so sad it would be hilarious that so many people were openly testifying that about his abject failure to capably sexually assault her in any way.

    1. It seems like she got emotionally attached to Harry, who thought their relationship was just casual sex, got jealous, decided to take revenge by letting Dev have her. Dev could not do the deed, and she later regretted the whole wretched incident, which would be the correct response except for putting the entire blame on Dev.

      1. What part of "all female unhappiness is a man's fault" don't you understand?

        1. Spoken like someone who has been married.

        2. Yeah, that's what the preachers keep telling me. My wife seems to appreciate that sort of doctrine.

    2. "too intoxicated to give consent" and "emotionally shut down"
      Her words or those suggested by the therapist?

      Looking back to my loss of virginity and exploratory encounters fifty years ago, I'll bet a clever therapist could convince both me and my partners that we were all victims of sexual assault against each other.

      Therapists are rewarded by turning mutual pubescent exploration into sexual assault and heavy petting without penetration into rape. What kind of people get into the therapy business? Did they ever go through normal puberty, make mistakes, grow up, move on?

      Oh, wait. The mental therapist I talked to at a Mensa brunch in the 1980s admitted to me he got into mental health to try to understand his own problems. I came to suspect there are no normal humans in the therapy business.

  16. General Hospital is supposed to be fiction.

    1. Soap opera writers don't need to make anything up. They only need to compress 10 people's stories over several decades into 1 person in 1 year.

    2. Young Doctors In Love was funny.

  17. The moral of the story is to never associate with the opposite sex in any work or school environment. Also, don't get drunk unless you're at home or on vacation somewhere and with people that you keep you safe.

    We shouldn't have to do either of these things, but this is reality.

    1. Just go find a townie.

      1. My 1st townie called in during my Ska/Mod/Punk radio show freshman (freshperson?) year.

        1. It's "first year student," you patriarch.

          Was your "townie" in town for Parents' Weekend?

          (I was going to say "in town for the AARP convention," but that would have been tasteless.)

  18. So women are children with no agency and drunk men are never victims. So much for gender is a social construct.

    1. Woman's Body
      Woman's Choice
      Man's Responsibility

      1. Perhaps Dave Chappelle said it


  19. When med students have been watching too much Grey's Anatomy.

  20. Sex is good. Why can't people just be happy?

    1. Guns are good. But can be misused.

    2. The biggest casualty of all this is going to wind up being the joy of sex (not the book.)

  21. Just remember:

    Women are powerful and capable and can do anything a man can do.


    Women are natural victims that must have special protection.

  22. I suppose until the final legal disposition of his case, Dev's going to keep his identity secret, so it'll probably be hard to get this answered, but I'm dying to know what his fall-back plan is for life. I too left med school adversely, but eventually paid off my loans, and although I'm broke and never really had much resembling a career, I'm not despondent. Heck, just commenting here is a lot of fun in itself, and med school gives you a lot of useful knowledge even concerning your own health that may save your life from medical error some day.

    1. Maybe the best thing is to not have plans for life, so you won't be disappointed. Things just happen.

      And there indeed was a time a few years ago I was discharged from a hospital with what I recognized to be an error in the meds I was ordered. Could've been in trouble had I not known things about my condition and drugs. So even if you don't graduate, med school can be worth it!

      1. I advise young people, "make preparations, not plans."

        1. Nice.

  23. Who needs penthouse forum anymore? These Title IX fact patterns are sufficient.

  24. If the victim isn't willing to go to the police then the school shouldn't be involved.

    1. Supposed crimes should be adjudicated by the criminal justice system.

      That colleges have their own police and courts is an abomination. They're little postmodern Marxist colonies.

    2. I keep saying they should pass a law that all rape/assault cases must be referred to the police by colleges. Same as with priests and child abuse.

    3. Even if she does go to the cops, the school shouldn't be involved. If the guy is arrested or convicted, the cops will remove him from the campus.


  25. I feel for the guy. This sounds a lot like how the military deals with drunken sex in which the girl regrets it later- although that, in my opinion, is much worse because you will end up in prison, kicked out of the military with a dishonorable discharge and on the sex offender list. The girl will be free to board the Ho Train on to her next base of choice, with untouchable “victim status” meaning she will get anything her heart desires after that.
    But, same system, no support for the man. Overwhelming support for the woman. Guilty until proven innocent and only some of the jury members need to think you are guilty to convict. Pretty sad times for men in the service, these days... and it sound like it’s the same for med school.

  26. Another non victim victim.

  27. Guilt by reason of Y-Chromosome.

  28. My 1st townie called in during my Ska/Mod/Punk radio show freshman (freshperson?) year.

  29. This isn't going to end sexes are totally separated and women have to wear veils to conceal every part of their bodies so as to keep men from temptation. Don't believe me? Look at Saudi Arabia, now there's a country that gives women the respect they deserve. Rape and sexual assault are virtually nonexistent there, and when they do happen they are punished much more severely!

    1. Rape is ubiquitous in Saudi Arabia. They call it "marriage".

  30. Young men in college: If you walk into a place and see that college women are drinking or using drugs, LEAVE IMMEDIATELY. And don't get into a vehicle with women who have been drinking or using drugs. It's not worth the risk to your future. If you just can't resist partying with young women, make friends off campus—preferably WAY off campus—and find yourself some local girls.

    1. I concur. The traditional sorority girl's mating call, "Tee hee, I'm so drunk!" should be treated like a fire alarm: leave the building immediately.


    2. If you just can’t resist partying with young women, make friends off campus—preferably WAY off campus—and find yourself some local girls.

      The problem is, and this has been pointed out by first wave (or second or whichever wave was the most rational) feminists, that college/University still serves a socially collective role. Once you graduate college, you will never again have a pool of women who's values, status in life, and plans for the future align so well with yours. For both sexes it still provides a "target rich environment" as it were†.

      The girls on campus may be looking to bang you, regret it, and get you thrown out of school. The girls off campus may be looking to get you for child support payments. The odds of finding a girl who wants a career, a house, a family, etc. are still better on campus than off. Townies are good for working the clubs with a strict "look but don't touch" policy.

      †Not to discount what JCR said.

      1. I didn't say not to socialize with college women. I just said stay away from them when they're drinking or using recreational drugs.

        1. I just said stay away from them when they’re drinking or using recreational drugs.

          Jillian was stone sober when she claimed she was sexually assaulted (if not, her therapist might have some interesting ethical questions to answer). I'd put down good money that you yourself would admit that alcohol/drugs is a foil or an excuse for crazy rather than the cause of it. Title IX is a symptom of a rather overt #MeToo problem.

          1. Jillian was stone sober when she claimed she was sexually assaulted

            She claims she was drunk when the "assault" happened. I don't see what your point is.

            alcohol/drugs is a foil or an excuse for crazy rather than the cause of it.

            But it's an excuse that works. It's an automatic "non-consensual" on the part of the woman. Stay away from women who are drinking and the bar for "non-consent" goes up.

            1. Stay away from women who are drinking and the bar for “non-consent” goes up.

              The bar was pushed down by a 'Dear Colleagues' letter, not the presence of women and/or alcohol on campus.

              If Title IX and these mock trials disappeared tomorrow, would men and women be equal before the law?

              I'm not convinced absolute evasion is the (only) answer. Force women to sober up and/or take responsibility for their actions when inebriated, even among themselves. The "I was drunk" defense wouldn't work if she'd wrapped her car around a tree no matter how sober the tree was. It shouldn't work if she took her dress off and fell on a dick.

              1. I'm trying to suggest a safer course of action for here and now in the real world we live in. You can go on wishing things were otherwise, but that doesn't help right now.

  31. Won't he almost inevitably win?

    It seems like a clear case of violating the educational contract he had with the school, and defamation as well.

    The school has to justify by a preponderance of the evidence standard *in a real court* that they had sufficient grounds for their judgment against him.

    If they lose their costs are years of a doctor's earnings, and perhaps a career, and that's ignoring the defamation.

    1. They already have an administrative law judge rubber stamping their process. Winning a lawsuit now would be really tough, since you'd have to prove that it was unreasonable, and a judge has already ruled it reasonable.

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  33. It's all slutty fun and games, until somebody get hurt (or rather, until somebody feels, years later, that they got hurt). All of the people involved here seem irresponsible and immature.
    The Left and Feminism can't have it both ways: Sex can't be both frivolous and lacking in importance and meaning, while at the same time an act of such gravitas and seriousness that post-coitus regret and shame become an accepted basis for life-changing, legal allegations and proceedings against a person.

  34. Much as I hate the race card, if I were in Dev's shoes here, i'd play it. Obviously, the white girl is embarassed that she banged the brown dude, so she decided to play the victim and fuck him over.


  35. This sort of application of Title IX is obviously one of the tactics of Screwfly Solution II.

    The goal is to depopulate planet Earth by destroying reproductive sex among humans.

    Title IX makes male-female encounters among college and university students a minefield no one sane would dare cross.
    Along with denormalization of gender euphoria and heterophilia and the normalization of transsexuality and homosexuality, the space aliens also use Title IX in their grand plan to depopulate Earth so they don't have to conquer Earth, just move in after the last humans die off.

    The original Screwfly Solution was exposed by Racoona Sheldon in 1977 and was ultimately a failure. This new, more subtle space alien plot has somehow run under the radar at least a generation, maybe the last generation of humans before the Overlords (or maybe the Psychlos) move in and claim salvage of a humanless Earth.

    1. Those aliens seem fairly humane compared to the other ones who invade Earth while it's still populated.

  36. Quote:

    He [Dev]was responsible for the sexual encounter with Jillian at Noto's because Jillian had been too drunk to consent,

    Isn't this a clear cut case of sex discrimination and a violation of the equal protection clause? Since both Dev and Jillian had been drinking, Dev couldn't consent either. So if you apply the law equally, they both should have been charged with sexual misconduct.

  37. If this woman has no responsibility for her actions on this night because she was not of "entirely sound mind", shouldn't Dev be held to the same standard? If he was as drunk and wasted as she was that night, wasn't he not of 'entirely sound mind" also?

    1. Under the spreading chestnut tree
      I raped you and you raped me

    2. Exactly, seeing that he was in a losing position, Dev should have thrown a hand grenade in the room and blown the both of them up

  38. In almost every single one of these cases, it can be argued that the man was also intoxicated and therefore unable to give consent.

    If the guy is getting railroaded and having his life ruined by these allegations, it seems he would have every incentive to make a counterclaim against everyone involved. A scorched-Earth strategy would not seem uncalled for.

    1. He could file complaints with the university but that doesn't mean they'll act on it.

      Maybe Devos could inquire into whether there's any sex discrimination going on in these types of hearings at federally-funded universities? Seems like a legitimate inquiry to open, given all the dubious stuff covered in the media.

  39. Sounds like Dev is just a horn dog who was wanting to dip his wick anywhere and didn't care who with, had the opportunity presented itself he probably would have settled for Harry.

    I feel sorry for Dev having to be the whipping boy for the whole group but Harry is probably the better looking of the two guys and having a penis makes you responsible for not only your own adult drunken bad choices but also the drunken bad choices made be every person with a vagina that knows your name.

    I really just want to slap Dev upside his obviously empty skull. Your intended woman is making out with her best friends side piece and you go for the best friend who was at a dinner with her at the time husband and side piece?

    Dev would have made a terrible doctor often diagnosing flatulence at a heart attack due to his inability to read the room. The last thing I want is a doctor incabable of recognising a bad situation and making sure to not become a part of it. 1st rule of 1st responders is not becoming part of the problem.

    So it is ultimately good that Dev won't be making healthcare choices for people that would mistakenly thinking he is capable of guiding them and informing them to make a good choice

  40. "It's a Catch-22: He can't dig himself out of debt until he finishes medical school, but he needs to win the lawsuit to have a chance of doing that."

    That's not a Catch-22. An example of a Catch-22 is 'you can't get a job w/o experience & you can't get experience w/o a job'. Dev may win his lawsuit, which gets him out of the quandry. It's NOT 'you can't get a job w/o experience but you can get experience if you win a lawsuit'.

  41. So the Sri Lankan is the only one who got punished for having drunken sex, eh? He should've included race discrimination in his complaint if he didn't.

  42. can we have their full names? I want none of these people treating me, ever.

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  44. Wouldn't happen this way to a female who did the same....

  45. The number of women who will attempt to ruin a man’s life just so they don’t have to feel foolish about regrettable sex is absolutely staggering.

  46. William Kennedy Smith all over again---but he could afford a good lawyer, thus the results were quite different. The skanks involved here are counting on staying anonymous. CHANGE THAT. Dev should identify himself and them! Enough publicity and some defense lawyer will take this case gratis to make a big name for himself by getting Dev reinstated.


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