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What Happens to the U.S. Population If Immigration Rises Substantially or Halts Entirely?

The Census Bureau sketches out scenarios in which immigration remains about the same, increases by 50 percent, falls by 50 percent, or halts entirely.

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U.S. population could increase from 323 million in 2016 to as high as 447 million by 2060—or fall as low as 320 million. It depends on how many immigrants are admitted over the next four decades, according to new report from the Census Bureau.

The report sketches out four scenarios for 2060. If current levels of immigration are maintained, the U.S. population will grow to 404 million by 2060. If immigration is cut in half, the population will rise to 376 million. If immigration increases by 50 percent, the population expands to 447 million. And if all immigration were to be halted now, the U.S. population would peak at around 332 million in 2035 and drop to 320 million in 2060.

In the high-immigration scenario, the proportion of foreign-born residents would rise by 2060 to 21.6 percent of the population. If immigration is halted, the forecast shows only 4.6 percent of the population in 2060 being foreign-born.

In all of the scenarios, the median age of the U.S. population rises from 37.9 to more than 40.

The report projects that the number of people identifying as "white alone"—that is, respondents who check only the white ethnicity box on census forms—will continue to rise in the main, high, and low immigration scenarios. This increase results from the Census Bureau's expectation that the children of Hispanic immigrants will probably, like the children of Italian, Polish, Greek, and other earlier immigrant groups, choose to identify increasingly as white. But the share of the population in the white alone category will decline in each scenario, due to faster increases in the numbers of Americans in the other racial and ethnic groups.

It remains my hope and belief that Americans of whatever ancestry living in 2060 will look back and wonder why anyone ever cared about the ethnic makeup of the American population. America is an ideal, not a tribe.

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  1. I love the high immigration scenario. Solves a lot of problems. And POTUS Trump is right: We should skim the cream of the crop from the rest of the world, and let only the best and brightest into our country. Our country IS special. That has value.

    Personally, I would love to see a merit based immigration system where we let in 5MM every year for the next quart-century.

    1. “Merit based” is OK by me if “merit based” says merit = NOT using license laws to shut out your opponents! The “smart, skilled” workers (doctors and lawyers, etc.) MESS US OVER all the time, by shutting OUT free-market competition!

      I for one would favor (if either side has to be favored, which I don’t think is true or good either) low-skilled workers over high-skilled workers, because low-skilled workers do NOT agitate for special protections for them!
      See https://reason.com/archives/201…..ts#comment and the below comment that I’ve recycled…
      “Government: you can’t do dentistry here” … Yes, exactly! And WHY is that? Because dentists have the money and time with which to lobby (and hoot and holler in other ways) for protection of their racket, and limit the competition that they might face. Concentrated benefits and diffuse costs of special interests, as usual.
      I notice that my lawn-mower-dude from Stanstanstanistan does NOT lobby for more protection of HIS racket… Which is why I would take this bullshit about wanting more high-skill immigrants and fewer low-skill immigrants, and stand it on its head, exactly inverting it… Reward the people who do NOT lobby to fuck us all over! And then open up our doctor-lawyer-dentist-etc. schools for more admissions and fewer bullshit standards… WHY in the HELL does my dentist need to know about the Krebs Cycle anyway… And let my lawn-mower dude study and practice up, and do my teeth for me!

      1. If your “lawn-mower-dude from Stanstanstanistan” supports Democrats or progressives, he certainly DOES lobby for more protection of HIS racket, because his racket is to get more free services paid for by the government.

    2. Companies run by Koch need uneducated slaves to keep the debt can kicked down the road.

      America leveling out on population cannot happen.

      Greatest Gen and Boomers fucked this country up with student loans and other future debt schemes so the real cost is past to their kids, grandkids, and great grand kids. Instead of kids working their way through college and doing menial labor during that period, its rack up debt and hope to pay it off with some lefty promise of big paying jobs. Meanwhile menial jobs required immigrants to do them.

      Fucking horrible plan.

      1. Not possible. The youngest boomer turned 22 in 1986. No one was going into huge debt for college then – compared to the debt incurred trying to educate their kids.

        1. Not that boomers used student loans. gThe boomers pushed and set up the student loan program. Via their peers who took over colleges and created this need for gen Xers and Millennials to have a college degree. Of course college degrees became more of a joke as young people learned less And it cost more.

        2. That is not the 80’s I remember. My college time was 84-88, and I racked up ~26K in loans. Not a small number for that time. And this was at a state college.

          My child went to a private school, engineering, got his BS/MS and came out with 40K debt. That was 2016 (roughly 30 years later).

          I know I am a sample of one, but I don’t think it is quite accurate – your point on a lack of huge debt in the 80’s. To me, that is when debt really started to ramp up.

      2. Yeah that’s it. Millennials are largely ignorant on the subject of History.

    3. We should take only the best and brightest. These people will then take higher paying tech and business jobs, leaving the lower paid laboring jobs for our children. The reality is we have a broad range of jobs that need to be filled and we will need to take people with a variety of skills and education levels. The merit we should reward is a willingness to work hard, whether that is programming a computer or picking vegetables.

      1. The reality is that, with advancing automation, the lower paying, less skilled jobs are going away. So it makes perfect sense to reserve those jobs for the population not qualified for better jobs who are already here, rather than importing more people not qualified for better jobs, to drive their already low wages even lower.

        1. I agree, Brett. I would make these points, in no particular order.

          One, the US does not need, nor want, menial laborers. You’re 100000% correct. Automation will eliminate the vast majority of those jobs. Those entry level jobs are best left to teenagers, disabled, etc. – of people already here.

          Two, we cannot presently educate our way out of trouble. If we started a ‘crash high achieving education’ program today and it worked perfectly, the impact won’t be felt for 20 years – too late. Therefore, we need a significantly higher proportion of highly educated immigrants to build the America of tomorrow. Hence, import the best, brightest, smartest, most talented by the millions. And we need them right now.

          Three, just from a purely genetic POV. Don’t we want to a) increase our genetic diversity, and b) increase overall intelligence by only bringing in the best and brightest from elsewhere? These immigrants will make America their home. They will fall in love, marry, have children. The odds are these children will be smarter. That is just computational biology and genetics.

          A century ago, our national interests required a large, relatively unskilled workforce. We had a huge wave of immigration. Our needs have changed in the last century. Our immigration policy must reflect that.

          Some will object and say my proposal is elitist. Perhaps it is. I would rather say that we want to pick the absolute best people on Planet Earth we possibly can to build the America of tomorrow. I don’t feel that is elitist; it is just common sense.

          1. Allow me to disagree. Laborers will be needed. Automation is not taking the lowest jobs it is taking the middle level jobs. Manufacturing jobs have been eliminated, accounting and bookkeeping jobs will be automated, as will jobs like trucking when automated vehicle become common. Yes, the front kiosks can replace the counterperson but you still need labor to assemble the sandwiches. Vegetables will be picked by hand, custodial work will be done, and nursing homes will need care givers.
            As to the intelligence question I also disagree. Many who come here are low skilled and will never rise above manual labor. But the American dream is that your children can do better. So the hotel maid’s child may be your future doctor.

            1. but you still need labor to assemble the sandwiches

              This, and those other activities, are being actively investigated for automation.

              We want high skilled immigrants. They can always do menial jobs, like a doctor driving a cab, until they learn the language and customs and practice their professions. Many of the low-skilled will eventually fall into dependency.

            2. M4e….Allow me to disagree.

              Ok, you’re allowed to disagree. You’re wrong. 🙂

      2. The reality is we have a broad range of jobs that need to be filled and we will need to take people with a variety of skills and education levels. The merit we should reward is a willingness to work hard, whether that is programming a computer or picking vegetables.

        The reality is that under the current regime of taxation and spending, anybody who makes less than about $100k/year is a net drain on the US government. That’s obviously a bad situation even without immigration, but any immigrant the US admits that doesn’t earn at least that much only makes the situation worse.

        The reality is that if government subsidizes low wage labor enough, you can create a pretty much unlimited demand for vegetable pickers and meat packers. And that’s what’s happening.

    4. “We should skim the cream of the crop from the rest of the world”

      We? You mean I have a say in this too? Careful what you wish for.

      1. He is suggesting that his fellow Americans consider his argument (“we should”).

        Obviously, that’s a hopeless suggestion with you, since you have already made up your mind.

        1. I don’t trust his fellow Americans any more than I do you.

          1. Mutual distrust is fine. In fact, the Founders counted on that. 🙂

            1. If only there were a way where we didn’t have to centrally plan who gets to comprise the labor market. If only there were a way…

    5. Commenter_XY: “We should skim the cream of the crop from the rest of the world, and let only the best and brightest into our country.

      So in other words you’re suggesting that only the elite of the elite need apply for entry? The brightest, the fittest, the richest…

  2. Let in all the refugees from socialist hellholes. They always seem to know what not to vote for. (Which is, of course, the primary concern.)

    1. Oh yeah? How do you account for Massholes, then? 😉

      1. Hey, I live in NH, which is ground zero for Masshole refugees. For the most part, they seem to have a pretty good handle on why their former state was shit, and what made it that way.

        What I’m saying is, this narrative about progressives fleeing their failing states and spreading the cancer elsewhere doesn’t seem to hold water by any objective metric. Just look at Texas – it was the natives voting for Beto, the transplants preferred Ted Cruz, for god’s sake.

        1. “Just look at Texas – it was the natives voting for Beto, the transplants preferred Ted Cruz, for god’s sake.”

          Cite?

          1. There are some exit polls that suggested a greater percentage of new Texans voted for Cruz than did native Texans. Exit polls, nothing concrete like revealing secret ballots would be. Further, who knows how you validate the polls’ sampling or methodology?

            I can believe it, depending how gung ho the Valley and north to San Antonio was to elect a ‘real Mexican’ like O’Rourke. I think it more likely the numbers are as bullshit as that Rice or UH criminology study that suggested no net crime rate rise in Houston from Katrina refugees.

            1. I’ll say that Washington state disproves that. The California transplants have pushed this state far left. The ones who settle in the rural areas aren’t bad…but the ones who settle in Seattle are peak derp, And they dominate the state voting. You eliminate Seattle from the mix and it’s a red state.

        2. “What I’m saying is, this narrative about progressives fleeing their failing states and spreading the cancer elsewhere doesn’t seem to hold water by any objective metric.”

          — All the Voting Statistics I’ve ever seen seem to say EXACTLY that.

          But don’t let voting statistics get in the way of some fairy-tale claim that the voters that voted to create their “failed state” suddenly and instantly had a change of heart by the very action of crossing that magical state border line.

          Good grief; give me a break from such idiocy.

    2. Certainly immigrants from Communist countries are very anti socialism. Their kids, however have gone over.

    3. Not “real” socialism, therefore they aren’t “real” immigrants

  3. Of primary interest to us Koch / Reason libertarians is the following question: What happens to our benefactor Charles Koch’s net worth under various immigration scenarios?

    Unfortunately we’re now seeing the disastrous results of low immigration. Because of Orange Hitler’s white nationalist policies, Mr. Koch has been largely unable to hire his preferred labor force — highly skilled doctors and engineers crossing the US / Mexico border. As a result, his businesses are faltering, and his net worth is stagnating in the $58,000,000,000 to $62,000,000,000 range.

    Unacceptable!

    #OpenTheBordersToHelpCharlesKoch

    1. I don’t understand your goal here.

      Trying to get some response from Koch? WTF

      1. Mockery through satire?

        1. OK. I get that. But this old joke has been repeated hundreds of times. As a joke it is stale. So what’s the point of repetition?

          1. I’m a big fan. Gets me every time. Globalist beltway utopians deserve to be mocked on a daily basis until they grow up.

    2. Does it bother Trumpian goons like you that Michael Bloomberg is using the tax cut Dear Leader gave him to run all these campaign ads saying that Trump was basically laughed out of any crowd in New York when he went searching for funding. Interesting footnote: He’s getting it from rubes like you now so he’s ok.

    3. It’s the Bernie-Bro drinking game! Take a shot every time OpenBordersLiberal-tarian or Loveconstitution1789 mentions Koch!
      https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?t=24

  4. I was “white and alone” last night. Hoping for better results tonight. Wish me luck.

    1. Happy Valentine’s Day, Diane!

    2. Better than Black and in jail.

  5. Census Bureau’s expectation that the children of Hispanic immigrants will probably, like the children of Italian, Polish, Greek, and other earlier immigrant groups, choose to identify increasingly as white.

    Are Italians, Polish and Greek people… not… white?

    And further, why do we need to speculate about this? Let’s ask children of Hispanic immigrants NOW if they identify as white?

    Hey, Raul, when your ancestors come over?
    Eh, my great Grandmother came over to escape the raids by Pancho Villa.
    Cool, check one of the following boxes:
    [ ] White
    [ ] Hispanic
    [ ] Other

    1. “Which box results in the most benefits for me when I check it?”

      1. Even without the government goodies, I have a hard time believing that Raul would check the ‘white’ box.

        Sure, maybe ten more generations down the road after Raul marries Mackenzie, and then his kid marries Madeline, and then their kids marry *thinks of more white names* Skylar and Claire… maybe it gets watered down enough that the end of that chain shrugs and checks “white and alone”.

        I grew up in a predominantly hispanic community, many of them were third and fourth (or more) generation Hispanic Americans. None of them folks woulda been caught dead calling themselves “white”.

        1. I dunno, I grew up in Florida and knew plenty of folks with a Puerto Rican or Cuban parent who considered themselves white. But that was in the early aughts, I’ll admit, so perhaps the national zeitgeist was a little different.

          1. In Cuba “white” is much more of a social status than a matter of skin color or ancestry. Lots of very brown Cubans call themselves “white” and are accepted as such due to their social position.

    2. Greeks occasionally had trouble in the Jim Crow South; I recall seeing that mostly the courts ruled that they were ‘white’, but at least once not so. Armenians, though originally from the Caucases, were more than once deemed not ‘caucasian’. When they first started coming-over in large numbers, the Irish famously were not considered fully white.

      Jews have generally been considered to be as white as white people say Jews are.

      1. If you hail from the Caucases and you’re not considered white (caucasian), I ain’t checkin’ white on any paperwork from here on out.

    3. Lots of southern and Eastern Europeans were not officially or even casually considered white. Check out Thaddeus Russell’s Renegade History.

      1. I’ll defer on this one. I know slavic people were certainly considered what… a mongrel race according to the Aryans…

    4. According to Ben Franklin, only the Saxons and the English are White People. Most other Europeans are of a “Swarthy” complexion. Swedes! Ben was an ethnonationalist.

      https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-04-02-0080

      Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, 1751
      — Ben Franklin
      24. Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.
      I could wish their Numbers were increased.
      And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.

      1. Times were very different in 1751.

    5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.): “Are Italians, Polish and Greek people… not… white?

      Come to that since when were most Hispanics not white? Hispanic people are basically of Spanish and Portuguese descent. Are Spaniards and Portuguese not white? Or only when they move to Latin America?

  6. 2060 will look back and wonder why anyone ever cared about the ethnic makeup of the American population. America is an ideal, not a tribe.

    And on this, we can agree, but as we’ve seen, the ethnic identity and makeup of every person must be known, focused on, categorized and placed into hierarchies. Not doing so is racist.

    1. Yes, because noöne paid any attention to that in the Good Old Days.

      1. The good old days are a comin’ back! But now it’s woke to be that way!

    2. Well yeah, I mean, we still gotta identify victims and villains. Come on, this is 2020. Everything is so terrible and unfair. ™

  7. My population remains steady at 1. Has for quite some time now.

  8. It depends on how many immigrants are admitted over the next four decades,

    and on how many immigrants sneak in.

    1. Rich: “…and on how many immigrants sneak in.

      So Trump’s wall ISN’T going to keep them from sneaking in?

  9. 2060 will look back and wonder why anyone ever cared about the ethnic makeup of the American population. America is an ideal, not a tribe.

    I look forward to when West Side Story is staged with one hispanic gang fighting another hispanic gang and everyone will have a name like Taylor or Madison.
    Truly then I can ride my unicorn into the sunset.

    1. What kind of sick brony talk is that.

    2. “America is an ideal, not a tribe.”

      America is a tribe with ideals. Import other tribes with other ideals, get a different America with different ideals.

      Import Not Americans, become Not America.

      1. Yeah – exactly how do we pick and choose what our ideals are?

        Is Ben Franklin not an American because he had ideals different from our ideals? Or are we not Americans because our ideals are different from Ben’s?

        And if we are a nation of ideals and not tribes, then why is immigration talk not framed around ideals? Meritocracy is not the same as ideals. Meritorious bolsheviks are still bolsheviks.

        1. Meritorious bolsheviks are insincere bolsheviks.

        2. And if we are a nation of ideals and not tribes, then why is immigration talk not framed around ideals

          It is. We want hard-working, smart, productive people with similar ideals to come to the US. To find such a population, we should select for people with good educations, high incomes, and from similar cultures, because we can fill our needs based on those easily identifiable characteristics.

          1. NOYB2….I’d be good with: …We want hard-working, smart, productive people with similar ideals to come to the US. To find such a population, we should select for people with good educations, high incomes, and from similar cultures…

            If they are the cream of the crop, they’ll make plenty of money here.

            1. How do you suggest determining whether someone is “cream of the crop” other than documented income?

        3. “And if we are a nation of ideals and not tribes, then why is immigration talk not framed around ideals?”

          Because the ruling class loves more productive meat widgets and have been pushing Open Borders propaganda for decades while silencing dissent.

          The world has always had smart, hardworking people, who failed to create the freedom, prosperity, and security that Americans have.

          We’re not magically diligent. We don’t have magic blood. We don’t have magic dirt. We’re a people with values that support freedom, prosperity, and security.

          Import Not Americans, become Not America.

  10. If we get to pick immigration numbers (and even better, criteria), can we also pick expulsion numbers?

    1. Volunteers! Or pay them to go!! …

      …but only once!

  11. Our goal should be population stability. Endless population growth is suicide, while population decline has problems supporting the number of retirees. So the only rational choice is the very low immigration scenario.

    1. Only till the retirees die- then the next generation is easier to pay for. Also, housing costs would go way down.

      1. DenverJ: “Only till the retirees die- then the next generation is easier to pay for.”

        How? And by whom? There are fewer Generation Xers than Baby Boomers, but there are also fewer Millennials than Generation Xers.

        Paying for retirement is basically a pyramid scheme. Each new generation has to be more numerous than one before it (in order to pay the tax dollars needed to fund the oldies’ retirement plans) ot else the whole house of cards will eventually collapse.

        Immigration is basically an attempt to bring more suckers in to increase the number of tax payers to make the whole thing work.

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  13. You can see what the MAGA white supremacist maggots are afraid of – being replaced entirely. And they WILL be replaced. Not only did MAGA maggots provide proof to everyone of their incredible incompetent when it comes to the most basic of economic rules; they also proved they’re paranoid and homicidal. They collectively sent their crazed acolyte to murder innocent people in El Paso; they fap at the sight of a poor girl imploring the armed government thugs for her kidnapped parent. They’re racist and they’re stupid (as only stupid people vote for a guy who puts on a false orange tan), but fortunately the dumb racist fucks WILL BE REPLACED. Damned maggots.

    1. Much of the drive for Open Borders is driven by this hatred of white Americans.

      1. Much of the drive for a wall is to keep out mental defectives like Old Mex.

    2. Yeah, the crazy guy murdering people in El Paso explicitly stated that he was anti-Trump, and was murdering immigrants because of his concern for the environment.
      So, you know, you’re full of it.

    3. You can see what the MAGA white supremacist maggots are afraid of – being replaced entirely.

      What we are afraid of is living in a country full of racists and bigots like you, living in the kind of dysfunctional societies that people like you create.

      But don’t worry, we are not afraid of “being replaced”. In fact, replacement is something we contribute ourselves when we vote with our feet as soon as there is a risk that people like you come into power.

      See, Old Mexican, there are plenty of nice places around the world that appreciate people with skills, wealth, and high earning potential, countries that are open to us and not to people like you.

      1. 1.8 replacement rate.

        You may be voting with your feet but not where it counts.

        1. Do you have a point to make?

          Because my point is simple: people of any race, color, or creed with above average skills and wealth do not want to live in the kinds of racist and socialist shithole that people like Old Mexican, Kirkland, Sanders, and Warren intend to turn the US into.

    4. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      Its been unbelievably satisfying to watch you devolve from a typical sub-average IQ Mexican peasant regurgitating Cato slogans into a ranting, raving, lying tin foil hat conspiracy theorist nutcase and hardcore unabashed racist since Trump got elected. “I know what’ll show those racist maggot white people who had the gall not to vote for my Marxist wet dream of a candidate! I’ll live up to literally every single stereotype!”

      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      1. Kirkland is his role model.

  14. “U.S. Population”

    How about we see an analysis for the population of Americans today, and their posterity, in the different scenarios of the flow of replacement population as they drive down wages and drive up housing prices?

  15. ” This increase results from the Census Bureau’s expectation that the children of Hispanic immigrants will probably, like the children of Italian, Polish, Greek, and other earlier immigrant groups, choose to identify increasingly as white. ”

    I wonder if there was any *data* involved in that expectation.

    Victor Davis Hanson reports the opposite trend in CA, of Joe Lopezes of CA reverting to Jose Lopez and trilling their “r”s.

    The European immigrants of late 19th and early 20th century faced enormous pressure to conform, assimilate, and identify with white Americans. All the pressure and *rewards* are in the opposite direction these days.

    1. The European immigrants of late 19th and early 20th century faced enormous pressure to conform, assimilate, and identify with white Americans.

      If not for any other reason then because travel back to their countries of origin was very costly and difficult, and so was communicating with their old cultures, getting newspapers or books, or any kind of live culture.

      These days, you can live in the US, not speak a word of English, and spend your entire time in a foreign culture and mindset, all the while receiving government benefits paid for largely by taxes on the earnings of white Anglo-Saxon males.

      1. travel back to their countries of origin was very costly and difficult, and so was communicating with their old cultures, getting newspapers or books, or any kind of live culture.

        I’m not sure that was the general rule. My great-grandparents in the late 19th century spoke German at home, subscribed to German newspapers, had German books on their shelves, attended Sunday services in German at a Reformed church, and belonged to German social clubs and singing groups, and they were third generation Americans. It wasn’t until WWI made being German unpopular that they began to tone it down and became Methodists.

        1. There is no point in talking with a bigot who promotes “enormous pressure to conform, assimilate, and identify with white Americans.”

          Also thanks for sharing your family history. Mine we lived on a US army base in Germany for 4 years. So that was great. The kids we would sneak out and play with the local kids who were way better in soccer and us in baseball. My wife, who is also Jewish was born in Germany. Long story about her parents who were survivors. My other side were immigrants from Russia.

          So I have no idea, well perhaps I do , what bigot BBDavis is going on about. There was no “enormous pressure”. What a load of crap.

          1. There is no point in talking with a bigot who promotes “enormous pressure to conform, assimilate, and identify with white Americans.”

            I didn‘t “promote” any such thing. Learn to read. Furthermore, I didn’t make this about race.

            Also thanks for sharing your family history. Mine we lived on a US army base in Germany for 4 years. So that was great. The kids we would sneak out and play with the local kids who were way better in soccer and us in baseball. My wife, who is also Jewish was born in Germany. Long story about her parents who were survivors. My other side were immigrants from Russia.

            And look at you: these days, you’re just an ignorant, privileged American who thinks that serving in the US military in Germany and having a bunch of immigrant parents gives him an insight in how other cultures live or makes him an authority of multiculturalism.

            1. “largely by taxes on the earnings of white Anglo-Saxon males.”

              Yup I get where you are coming from.

              I did not serve in the US military. I was an Army brat. If you think that was privileged in the 70s you really need to rethink.

              Anglo-Saxon whatever you are ‘I Don’t Care’, Get what that really means.

              1. Yup I get where you are coming from.

                I doubt it.

                “largely by taxes on the earnings of white Anglo-Saxon males.”

                That’s simply a fact. Indian Americans and Chinese Americans are actually earning more and paying more in taxes, but they are a small minorities, and as a result, don’t actually make much of a difference to the fiscal situation. Women as a group US are a net drain on government coffers over their lifetime. So are African Americans and Hispanics as a group. So are recent immigrants. Those are simply economic facts. They don’t go away because you might not like them.

                Anglo-Saxon whatever you are

                Well, for starters, I’m not a white Anglo-Saxon male. I immigrated to the US because I appreciate the Anglo-Saxon heritage of the US, its culture, and its institutions. And I strongly object to stupid people like you aiming to destroy it with open borders and the policies you advocate.

                ‘I Don’t Care’, Get what that really means.

                Yes, it’s obvious you don’t give a f*ck about the future of the US, or its culture, or whether it turns into Venezuela or Mexico. To you, all cultures are interchangeable, because you don’t know any better.

                I was an Army brat. If you think that was privileged in the 70s you really need to rethink.

                Yes, you were enormously privileged as a US citizen in the 1970’s. But, again, you are so profoundly ignorant that you don’t recognize it.

                1. AngloSaxon you keep saying that. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

                  The US has a highly varied population by history, culture and demographics. Unique in the world. That is our strength and power.

                  You keep dividing people as if they were economic units of production. Women are a net drain? Women. Is that a serious statement?

                  Was I privileged as an army brat. Yes the Army took great care of us kids. We had a school, a playground, movies in the little theater on Saturday, a library, comic books at the PX, you know while dad back from Vietnam fought the Cold War. I did not earn a dime of that. Not a thing. But I did learn some things I still remember.

                  Have some faith. The US is not anywhere near turning into Venezuela. We are stronger than you think. Do not be afraid of Bernie Sanders. He has been around a long time and political opinion and freedom is a fundamental right here. That is a strength not a weakness.

                  The country even puts up with us weirdo libertarians.

                  I fully know that to be a US citizen is far better than most people on the planet if that is your point.

                  We can do better than pointless 40 billion dollar walls in immigration. Let alone the legal and enforcement costs.

        2. How does that contradict what I said? Yes, they spoke German. But they presumably also spoke English, and they recognized that they couldn‘t go back to Germany.

          1. Contrary to what you said, they continued to participate in German culture for several generations, and it was not difficult because there was a German-American culture around them producing things like newspapers and performing arts.

            1. Contrary to what you said, they continued to participate in German culture for several generations,

              Nowhere did I say that immigrants stopped participating in their own historical cultures. What I said is that the difference between then and now is that today people can live in the US, not speak a word of English, and spend their entire time in a foreign culture and mindset.

        3. Germans immigrants were the next most likely people to be lynched after black americans.

      2. ” all the while receiving government benefits paid for largely by taxes on the earnings of white Anglo-Saxon males”

        Very unlikely as white Anglo-Saxons are found in the British Isles. Americans are typically of dubious mixed stock.

        1. You’re totally right: let’s strike the Anglo Saxon, and agree on “ all the while receiving government benefits paid for largely by taxes on the earnings of white males”.

          1. You need to practice your race baiting.

            1. No, I’m simply stating facts about US tax revenues. You’re just miffed because they contradict your beliefs. Of course, with your racist mindset, you can’t help but interpret these facts as anything but a statement about race. But that’s your problem not mine.

              White males contribute the largest amount in taxes because they are the largest single ethnic group and make fairly high incomes compared to other ethnic groups. Chinese and Indian males make more on average, but there are much fewer of them around, so as a group the contribute less.

              The differences in average incomes between ethnic groups are largely due to policy, not race. Chinese and Indian males earn a lot because we have highly selective immigration policies with those countries. Hispanics earn little because we do not have very selective immigration policies. And women don’t earn very much for the simple reason that they don’t have to: they can choose to marry and have children and have someone else pay the bills.

              People respond rationally to policies and economic constraints; that’s where the economic differences among ethnic groups and the sexes come from.

          2. White though. You are white.

  16. It remains my hope and belief that Americans of whatever ancestry living in 2060 will look back and wonder why anyone ever cared about the ethnic makeup of the American population. America is an ideal, not a tribe.

    We were almost there, before Obama and the social justice movements. But just like their leftist predecessors in the 1930’s, America is in the grip of a new wave of racism, divisiveness, and intolerance, again largely thanks to the Democratic party.

    1. Obama was a setback, but not as much as some think. The SJW surge is a response to the near disappearance of the reasons to protest racism, sexism, whateverism, etc. They trumpet each incident because it is becoming more rare, so it needs to be publicized to stay in the public consciousness.

      1. “the near disappearance of the reasons to protest racism, sexism, whateverism, etc.”

        I love that our vestigial bigots are so afraid to be labeled bigots that they now contend (1) bigotry has been eradicated, or close to it, (2) they are not bigots, and (3) other people are the bigots.

        This is what more than a half-century of liberal-libertarian progress has accomplished. No wonder conservatives have become so disaffected and desperate.

        1. Bigotry hasn’t been eradicated at all; you are living proof.

          What has been eradicated is systemic discrimination against non-whites by government. That’s all we can ever achieve and all that we can ever hope for.

        2. Meanwhile, Kirkland is intensely proud of his bigotry. His hate gives him purpose.

  17. The way I see it, if you can identify as whatever gender appeals to you, you can certainly do the same for race.

    The biological basis for determining race is actually much weaker than it is for determining sex.

    My policy when checking those boxes is to check all of them. Or, if the form software doesn’t allow that, doing an eeney-meeney-miney-moe determination.

    1. The biological basis for determining race is actually much weaker than it is for determining sex.

      That’s an understatement. There is almost no biology behind defining race. There is much more human genetic diversity in Africa than in the rest of the world combined.

      1. ^ this.

        Race is a myth.

    2. The way I see it, if you can identify as whatever gender appeals to you, you can certainly do the same for race. The biological basis for determining race is actually much weaker than it is for determining sex.

      Social justice arguments for race-based government programs are based on specific historical events and their supposed effect on populations. Progressives have used the term “race” to mean something else in the past, but that’s how they use it today. And it is an objective fact whether someone is descended from an African brought to the Americas between Columbus and the Civil War, or whether someone is primarily descended from Native Americans. And those are facts that, in most cases, can be determined genetically these days.

      The problem these days, of course, is that even recent African, Indian, or Chinese immigrants claim to be historically oppressed minorities and demand government benefits.

      1. Can you give me the name of a recent immigrant from Africa who claims to be historically oppressed and is demanding government benefits? Real person, not imaginary.

          1. Yes there is not anything at all I like about her politics.

            Yet she has legal rights and elected.

            So what. I oppose her views on everything. I oppose Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump, Elizabeth Warren… I could go on.

            Yet my opposition here is what? Libertarian. Yes I know what it means.

          2. How is she a problem? She’s probably my favorite politician, while she lasts.

            1. That wasn’t your question.

            2. Of course she’s your favorite politician: you’re both racists, you’re both socialists, and you both want to destroy America as we know it.

        1. Obama’s aunt ,Zeituni Onyango

        2. Can you give me the name of a recent immigrant from Africa who claims to be historically oppressed and is demanding government benefits?

          How recent and or directly descended? One drop?

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  20. It’s not about race, it’s about politics. It’s like when New Yorkers move to smaller cities and first thing they want to do is turn them into statist hellholes. If you want to come here to be free and let everyone else be free, welcome to America, I don’t care about your race. If you want to come here to vote for the Socialist policies of your home country whether that be France or Venezuala, go somewhere else.

    1. From Madison’s Notes on the Constitutional Convention:
      Mr. MADISON seconded the motion. He wished to maintain the character of liberality which had been professed in all the Constitutions & publications of America. He wished to invite foreigners of merit & republican principles among us.

      Foreigners of merit and republican principles. It’s not complicated.

      People who add economically and culturally, but don’t screw up our political values.

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  25. Greeks, Italians, Russians and the Irish have always identified as white and been treated as whites in America.

    Until 1940 the US census forced Mexicans to identify as Mexican on the US Census. They fought against this and the Federal government allowed Mexicans to identify as white in 1940.

    95% of Hispanics in America are mixed race. Most Mexicans are 40% AmerIndian while the average Puerto Rican is 20% African. This is one reason Hispanics will not to identify as being white in 2050. The other reason is our racial quota system , which rewards non-whites with special treatment. It would not be logical to forgo all the special benefits they have fought for and reject their ethnicity.

    But in 2050 it will be interesting if The grandchildren of Ted Cruz will still be allowed to get affirmative action because their Great Grandfather was Cuban. I suspect the children of Senator Ted Cruz are considered Hispanic today

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  29. “America is an ideal”

    You’re right, but it’s an ideal that, statistically speaking, is championed by whites first and foremost. And not hispanics checking a box, but people of European ancestry.

    1. Technically, Hispanics are both white and have European ancestry. Heck, they are descendants of one of the most evil global empire in human history. And Hispanic culture is still broken.

      The problem isn’t ancestry, it’s multiculturalism: the false belief that multiple cultures can and should coexist in a country and that a country is better off because of it.

  30. No one was going into huge debt for college then – compared to the debt incurred trying to educate their kids.

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