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Tulsi Gabbard Conspiracy Theories Go Mainstream as Hillary Clinton Accuses the Candidate of Being Groomed by Russia

Gabbard called Clinton "the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long."


Clinton suggests Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein are "Russian assets." Since announcing her 2020 presidential bid, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D–Hawaii) has been plagued by bizarre conspiracy theories, including rumors that she's in league with Russia and that she plans a third-party run. Now Hillary Clinton has joined the theorists levying the allegations. In a recent podcast, the Democrats' 2016 nominee warned that Russia was "grooming" Gabbard "to be the third-party candidate."

As a woman with anti-war beliefs, sometimes idiosyncratic policy positions, and an apparent allergy to parroting all of her party's preferred talking points, Gabbard has rankled a lot of establishment Democrats and picked up fans from several factions, including several conservatives.

That last part has further fueled rumors that Gabbard's run as a Democrat is just a prelude to an independent or third-party presidential campaign next year. Some figures have been fuming about that (very slim) possibility, just as they've fumed over the possibility that Rep. Justin Amash (I–Mich.) might do the same. Just as they fume anytime anyone dares challenge the idea that U.S. politics should mean a challenge between one Republican and one Democrat.

The more wacko speculation surrounding Gabbard is that she's linked to Russia. As in the 2016 election, there's a lot of careless conflation between the idea that she's a Russian plant and the idea that some people in Moscow would like her to do well.

Hillary Clinton combined both theories into one (while also roping in Jill Stein for good measure) on a podcast with David Plouffe. Clinton told Plouffe that she thinks a woman currently running in the Democratic presidential primary is being groomed by Russia to run as a third-party candidate:

I'm not making any predictions, but I think they've got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She's the favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far…

Lest there be any doubt who she meant, a Clinton spokesperson subsequently confirmed that Clinton was talking about Tulsi Gabbard. ("Clinton spox @NickMerrill, when asked if HRC was referring to Gabbard: 'If the nesting doll fits,'" tweeted CNN's Dan Merica.)

Gabbard responded with a tweet thread accusing Clinton and her allies of running a "concerted campaign" to tarnish Gabbard's reputation. After calling Clinton "the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long," Gabbard thanked Clinton for having "finally come out from behind the curtain":

From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know—it was always you, through your proxies and powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine, afraid of the threat I pose. It's now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don't cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.

The New York Post editorial board notes that Clinton's comments follow "last week's New York Times story hinting at the same conspiracy theory, which cited at least two former Clinton aides and which Gabbard slammed onstage at last week's debate."

During the Plouffe podcast, Clinton also accused 2016 Green Party candidate Jill Stein of being a "Russian asset." After talking about Russia's alleged new favorite, Clinton added:

and that's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which, she might not 'cause she's also a Russian asset. She's a Russian asset, totally. They know they can't win without a third-party candidate.


Clinton is not the only prominent politician to insinuate that something is amiss with Gabbard. In July, after Gabbard slammed Sen. Kamala Harris (D–Calif.) for her record as a prosecutor, Harris' communications manager tweeted out the following, with a link to an NBC story titled "Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard":

Reporters writing their stories with eyes on the modern-day assignment desk of Twitter, read this: "The Russian propaganda machine that tried to influence the 2016 election is now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat"

Evan McMullin, who briefly ran as an independent candidate in 2016, tweeted on Friday:

I believe it's true. Tulsi Gabbard is with the Russians and the Russians are with Tulsi Gabbard. She confirms it every time she opens her mouth.

On Sunday, Center for American Progress President Neera Tanden said she didn't understand "why major media outlets aren't more concerned about Russian bot support of Tulsi than Hillary's statement."

Asked by NBC about the idea that Russian bots were backing her campaign, Gabbard said "I don't control them. I don't control what anyone else says or does."


Will Amash run for president? Rep. Justin Amash (I–Mich.) told Chuck Todd: "I wouldn't say 100% of anything. I'm running for Congress, but I keep things open and I wouldn't rule anything out." You can watch the interview here.


Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) says she's almost figured out how much her Medicare for All plan would cost and how the government should pay for it. "I've been working for a long time on this question about what the cost will be and how to pay for it, and I'm getting close," the 2020 presidential candidate told reporters over the weekend.


The Buttigieg moment? South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg "was initially seen as a long-shot presidential contender," but he's now "surged within striking distance of former vice president Joe Biden and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren in the first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses," according to USA Today. A new Iowa poll from the paper and Suffolk University places former Vice President Joe Biden at 18 percent, Warren at 17, and Buttigieg at 13.


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  1. In the end, we are all Russian assets.

    1. And that’s OK.

      1. Back in the USSR!

        1. You don’t know how lucky you are, boy

    2. Hello.

      “I’ve been working for a long time on this question about what the cost will be and how to pay for it, and I’m getting close,”

      Lol aside. Shouldn’t this have been worked out already?


      /takes long sip of V-8.

      1. She’ll let us know around mid-November, 2020.

        1. Well after election day.

      2. Rufus, did you vote in Canada’s general election today?

      3. The costs will be 1023/1024 of the original estimates.

    3. Doesn’t “asset”, used that way, mean that a person is actually knowingly employed by the Russian government? That’s a fucking insane allegation to make.

      1. Yes it does mean that. And yes it is an insane accusation.

        1. And Reason is insane for promoting this allegation as if it had merit.

          1. I didn’t see a whole lotta promotion above. I saw derision and mockery.

            1. Well deserved mockery.

      2. If they were serious about this Russian asset nonsense, shouldn’t they be investigating her as a member of Congress?

        1. Or taking her security clearance that she has because she is still an officer in the Army reserves? The whole thing is a new low. And it is not just about Hillary. A whole bunch of people in the media are pushing the slander.

          1. Espionage is a major federal felony, so defaming someone without a shred of truth is exactly why Defamation per se exists to cover that blatantly malicious slander and libel.

            Anyone who does not clearly see how the MSM are propagandists who want to hide behind the law but have no problem breaking the law.

            1. (contd)*breaking the law are not paying attention.

          2. John, can’t we all now agree that we dodged a HUGE bullet not placing this lunatic in power in 11/16?

      3. She’s saying things opposed to the democrat/Clinton agenda. That’s all the evidence you need. If it looks like a Russian, and talks like a Russian…

      4. An “asset” does not have to knowingly participate to be called an “asset”. An “agent” is someone who is knowingly collecting intel or doing other activities under the direction and with the authorization of an intelligence officer. The terms are often interchanged in common usage, though.

        1. The Brockobot spook would have those definitions handy.

        2. “”An “asset” does not have to knowingly participate to be called an “asset”. “‘

          Since the Russian plan is to spread discord, does that mean all the people who are helping spread discord in the US are Russian assets?

          1. The MSM are Russian assets, according to De Oppresso Liber’s logic.

    4. Free Govt. supplied Vodka for all!!!

  2. Clinton suggests Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein are “Russian assets.”


    1. I doubt that they’re Russian assets, but I’m sure Hillary Clinton is an American liability.

      1. HOW DARE YOU?

      2. Naw,,,,,,Looking at the hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims killed, maimed & displaced in Libya, Syria & Yemen due to the war Crimes of her & Obummy, I would say she is a Global Liability!!!

    2. Isn’t Jill Stein the one who filed lawsuits in the immediate aftermath of the 2016 presidential election, claiming that the Russians have hacked into voting machines in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan to change the voting results in Trump’s favor? Seems like a very odd thing for a Russian asset to do now, doesn’t it?

      1. Naive child. It’s exactly what a Russian asset would do. Ever noticed how good Russkies are at Chess?

  3. Mitt Romney’s secret Twitter account has been discovered.

    placed in a carrier on top of Twitter’s roof

  4. “I wouldn’t say 100% of anything. I’m running for Congress, but I keep things open and I wouldn’t rule anything out.”

    The deciding factor will be if he thinks he can spoil it for his arch-nemesis Trump.

    1. He was actually answering the question, “Are you 100% straight?”

  5. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) says she’s almost figured out how much her Medicare for All plan would cost and how the government should pay for it.

    what’s more depressing: arriving at a number? or thinking it’s possible to arrive at an accurate number?

    1. Come on, Lizzie, you can say it. It’s OK. “We’re going to have to raise taxes on the middle class. A lot.”

    2. Elizabeth Warren is a brilliant Harvard professor. I’m sure she’ll come up with an accurate price tag.


      1. No mention of affordability.

      2. Richard Epstein on “The Libertarian” podcast more or less said that Warren’s economic plans are an amazing mixture of ignorance and stupidity.

      3. You amazing sarcasm continue to surprise me. When are you going to come out as a Goldwater Republican?

        1. OBL is the evil ghost of Goldwater.

          1. Goldwater is dead? When did this happen and why was I not informed? I still have an AuH20 bumper sticker on my Karmann Ghia.

    3. Even life-long Democrats I know, who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, are saying she’s gone off the deep end. She’s exhibiting her usual blindness to how she is coming across, not realizing she’s coming off as paranoid, senile, and bitter.

      1. Sigh, that wasn’t supposed to be a comment on Warren.

        1. Hey, if the moccassin fits.

          1. If the moccasin fit, another recipe I must submit.

              1. Her moccasins come in adjustable sizes of 1/1024 of an inch.

                1. Close enough to count…

      2. But that may be because she is paranoid, senile and bitter, and all those conditions reinforce one another.

        1. Nonsense, Russia is part of a vast Right-Wing conspiracy to force her husband to rape women, or something.

  6. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) says she’s almost figured out how much her Medicare for All plan would cost and how the government should pay for it.

    You have to elect her to find out.

  7. Gabbard said “I don’t control them. I don’t control what anyone else says or does.”

    that’s no way to talk if you want to become the Democrat nominee for president

    1. I don’t control them, I just want to control you.

      1. I don’t control them *cough* yet *cough*.

  8. South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg “was initially seen as a long-shot presidential contender,” but he’s now “surged within striking distance of former vice president Joe Biden and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren…”

    Everyone who wants to see Trump v. Buttigieg, raise your hands.

    1. ***raises hand holding arm at elbow***

    2. What, me worry?

    3. You want to be careful if you’re within striking distance of a surging Mayor Pete. Or maybe you do want to be within striking distance of a surging Mayor Pete, I won’t judge you. But for God’s sake, don’t get within striking distance of Hillary Clinton.

    4. I don’t think Buttigieg stands a chance, although he is less bad than many of the others. Fact is that no matter what people may say about being Ok with it personally, few people outside of the deep blue enclaves will vote for a gay candidate, and I am talking about democrats here

      1. I think they would go for a gay candidate but not such an obviously gay candidate as Buttigieg. I think someone like Thiel who is an accomplished person who just happens to be gay. But they won’t go for someone like Buttigieg whose entire public persona seems to be that he is gay.

        1. I agree. Now a Muslim president, on the other hand… Unless it’s someone like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who is literally one in a billion, never.

          1. and actually, she’s an athiest. So I’m going to stick with my first thought, that we are way more likely to have a gay president than a Muslim one

            1. I, personally, would vote for anyone who is gay, Muslim, handicapped, and green…and of course, Black…

              1. The Dems would be too busy pleasuring themselves over the thought of such a person who ticked all those boxes to bother running them

                1. Would that include Tulsi?

                2. Unless they ran as a Republican, and then they’d be practically Hitler.

              2. Throw in a little brown and beige, and you’ve got a nice camo candidate.

              3. But Obama can’t run again.

      2. For millennials and suburban women being gay trumps all qualifications.

  9. Undercovers would pretend to be in withdrawal & beg for someone’s extra dose. If someone was kind enough to give it to them, they got arrested. For a felony.

    Kamala Harris just got a boner.

    1. /removes mask from Harris.

      “It’s a ‘man, man!”

      “And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for you meddling kids.”

      /looks at Fred and winks.

      “Call me”.

  10. Mitt Romney’s secret Twitter account has been discovered.

    Jesus. Why bother.

    1. Of all the crap sites in all the internet, she had to walk into my secret twitter account.

    2. Mitt who?

      1. Pierre Delecto, that’s who

  11. More bad economic news.

    Charles Koch current net worth: $60.1 billion

    Great. So he’s above the sixty billion barrier. Well guess what? I guarantee the next fluctuation will drop him below sixty billion. Maybe today, but certainly by the end of this week.

    Stagnation. Is. Not. Good. Enough.

    Koch / Reason libertarianism exists to promote a steady increase in the wealth of the world’s richest people — not to watch them financially tread water. In order for that to happen, we need a Democrat in the White House.


    1. Pro tip: don’t pattern your investments after Charles Koch.

      1. It’s not Mr. Koch’s fault he’s struggling in the Drumpf economy. His business depends on the free flow of highly skilled doctors and engineers across the US – Mexico border. And Orange Hitler has locked those people in concentration camps where they’re forced to drink from toilets.

        1. Yes, it was reported Charles was outside a closed K-Mart in Wichita on Friday morning, looking to hook on as a day laborer for a landscaper or roofer.

  12. Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson has admitted that he had “a few drinks” before passing out in his car at a stop sign.

    Hopefully CPD arrested whoever forced him to have those drinks.

    1. And shot their dog.

  13. …Gabbard has rankled a lot of establishment Democrats and picked up fans from several factions, including several conservatives.

    That anti-gay cult she grew up in might have helped there, too.

  14. Hillary Clinton: crazy old coot yells at clouds.

    She’s making her retard supporters look more asinine than usual.

    1. When they finally taker her away and we go visit her at Arkham, we’ll find her in a cell gently banging her ahead against a rubber wall muttering to herself, ‘it was her turn’.

      1. We could only hope to be so lucky.

        1. NASA should have let her fly the Challenger like she wanted.

          1. I would watch that Netflix series, titled “What if…”

      2. No, she’ll be convinced she’s president and spend her days passing “executive orders” to the guards.

        1. That’s great, I can see it now. They give her a padded cell with a big oak desk, a collection of black presidential crayons, a couple teams of paper, and a big red plastic phone. She sits there all day long sometimes yelling into the phone, sometimes banging on the desk, sometimes yelling into the phone while banging on the desk, and occasionally slipping an “order” under the door and shouting “MAKE IT HAPPEN, KARL!”

          1. That’s how I see it. Except to her mind, the padded cell will appear as if it actually is the oval office.

    2. “They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far…”
      I too am concerned that the Russians have infiltrated our series of tubes.

    3. Member when McCartyism was a bad thing?

  15. …and that’s assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which, she might not ’cause she’s also a Russian asset. She’s a Russian asset, totally. They know they can’t win without a third-party candidate.

    Vast conspiracies are nothing new to Madame Secretary.

    1. Hillary Rodham “Get Away with Conspiracies” Clinton.

  16. On Nut Job Sue over there. It’s all projection with Hilary. Chick is so paranoid because she herself is awash in corruption she can no longer parse fiction from reality anymore.

    And this loon wanted full control of the U.S. military?

    1. She thinks her followers are so stupid that she can just point at someone and say Russsian, and they will believe her.

      1. On that point, she’s not wrong.

      2. So close to self awareness…any day now.

        1. Are you buying into the Stein and Gabbard are Russian assets line?

  17. “I’ve been working for a long time on this question about what the cost will be and how to pay for it, and I’m getting close.”

    That’s apparent, Liz. How about the *answer*?

  18. Venezuela sure sounds rough.

    Venezuela’s Water System is Collapsing

    In the spirit of Shikha Dalmia, I’ll use this bad news as an opportunity to encourage the entire population of Venezuela to immigrate to the United States.

    Of course conservatives will pounce with silly objections like “If you bring Venezuelans into the US, the US will become more like Venezuela. Because those immigrants will retain their pro-socialist views and vote accordingly.” But that’s a bunch of alt-right nonsense.


    1. It can’t be bad in Venezuela or there would be riots, like in Chile over a 4% subway fare increase.

      1. Somebody down there needs to get in touch with the Kingston Trio.

        1. I hear they never returned; their fate is still unknown.

          1. They’re probably in a Tijuana Jail.

  19. OK. I declare whats-her-name to be fully batshit crazy.
    Under red flag laws, all of her secret service and private guards have to give up their firearms in the name of public safety, right?

    1. Doesn’t the law require, um, the “concerned party” to have a certain relationship? Of course, in these days of modern time, you could simply claim she’s your ex-lover.

      1. Great! Now my reputation is sullied forever.
        Doesn’t the voter-candidate relationship count? If not, why not?

  20. Tulsi needs to release a damage-control ad like Christine did.

    1. “I’m you.”

    2. Is it really damaging her that badly, though? She’s at, what, 3 percent in the polls? If anything, this is just going to raise her profile further after giving Harris’s campaign a Stone Cold Stunner.

      I suspect this is just typical Hillary pettiness. Tulsi was the vice chair of the DNC until she saw how they were stacking the deck in Hillary’s favor, then resigned to endorse Bernie.

  21. “The more wacko speculation surrounding Gabbard is that she’s linked to Russia.”

    It’s no more whacko than anything they’ve said about Trump the past three years but that didn’t see to bother anyone at Reason, especially Suderman.

    Carry on clowns

    1. If I were forced to put some money down, I’d wager Reason is more likely to have some Russian backers.

      1. Considering there isn’t solid proof that they’re NOT Russian assets, I see no reason to treat them like they are until it can be further investigated.

    2. When has Reason ever bought into the Trump as Russian asset narrative? Where did you see any such thing at Reason?

  22. The drug war never dies, it just finds new targets.

    If war isn’t the health of the state, it’s at least the health of the parasites making their living off the state.

    1. The ideal solution would be making everyone both a paid monitor of someone else, and similarly a monitoree. Full employment!


    “Pelosi leads delegation to Mideast for talks on regional tensions”

    1. I would think sending in Pelosi to talk was a violation of the Geneva Convention.

      1. Anything to get her out of the country.
        Now, quick, revoke her passport!

  24. After calling Clinton “the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long,” Gabbard thanked Clinton for having “finally come out from behind the curtain”

    Finally, something we can all agree on.

    1. I’m fine with Clinton staying behind the curtain. Doctor my eyes….

    2. I was gonna say…

    3. I hate that expression, but can’t disagree here

  25. I would be surprised if there are five things on which I agree with Gabbard. She is a for most part a full on leftist. That being said, there is no reason to think she isn’t patriotic or well meaning. The woman went to war for this country. That she would now be called a foreign agent shows just how depraved the Democratic Party establishment and Never Trump right really are.

    1. True. What is remarkable, to me, is that there is one Democrat with the courage to tell HC to go climb a tree. In a party of bootlicks and taint sniffers devoted to acquiring power at any cost, that is a little unusual.

      1. Pending her suicide, at least she spoke truth to power.

    2. I would say the Democrat Party is full-on Stalinist. So far as I know, foreign policy is the only area where Gabbard disagrees with the party, but that’s enough to make her a pariah.

      1. “Stalinist”…no. But if it makes you feel better to say that I get it.

    1. Is Romney’s feed full of cuckold porn?

      Now look at what you made me say – such a poor state of discourse in this country, sad.

    2. “Carlos Danger” was already taken.

      1. Ron Mexico

    3. “”Pierre Delecto has to be the worst porn name ever.””

      That’s no Carlos Danger

  26. Well, I’d like to support the cute Hawaiian lady, but then I noticed this:

    “In 2013, Gabbard co-sponsored a bill that would make numerous “limitations and requirements concerning abortion services unlawful and prohibits their imposition or application by any government.” Individual state restrictions would be overridden.

    “Pro-life group Live Action said of the bill, “This is Roe v. Wade on steroids. Those who feel that abortion is best left up for the states to decide will also find this bill problematic with its overreach. Sadly, the bill also uses the Fourteenth Amendment to justify abortion, as the Supreme Court did, even though in actuality it would make much more sense to protect the lives of unborn Americans.””

    1. She is a leftist. But, her having opinions you don’t like doesn’t make her a traitor or relieve those of good conscience from the duty of standing up to defender from such a vile slander.

      1. Goodness, I *wish* I could blame Russia for American abortions, but I can’t – and I can’t blame Gabbard for what some random foreign bots allegedly do.

        If I encounter *anyone* who believes Hillary’s ravings, I’ll try and point out that they’re insane, but for some reason, I haven’t seen a lot of people put credence in that embittered cuckqueen (there, I did it again, sad).

        1. There is a whole section of the media and a whole bunch of Democratic politicians who do. Not every fight involves your sacred cows. Saying she is not a traitor is not saying you agree with her or want her to be president. One has nothing to do with the others.

          1. I haven’t met many media people in the cocktail parties I attend. If I did, I’d include Gabbard conspiracy theories in my detailed description of what’s wrong with the media until they drag me out.

            I’m talking about real people I know, who don’t seem to buy what the media is selling, even if they’re predisposed for other reasons to vote Democrat.

            1. Then you really have nothing to say. Why is her being accused of being a traitor somehow an excuse for you to point out she is a garden variety Democrat? Again, one has nothing to do with the other.

              1. *sigh*…did you see the original post?

                “Gabbard has…picked up fans from several factions, including several conservatives.”

                I’d suggest that these “conservatives” need to curb their enthusiasm.

                Hillary also accused Jill Stein of being a Russian stooge. That’s just as false, but does it pick up support for Stein from conservatives?

                1. Now, as far as exploiting Democratic divisions…I’m totally in agreement with that.

                  “See what Hillary and her allies are willing to do to their fellow-Democratic politicians! Can we trust them to be fair to regular folks?”

                  That sort of thing.

  27. “Frustrated US diplomats fight back in impeachment probe”
    “To Trump and his allies, the diplomats are evidence of a “deep state” within the government that has been out to get him from the start. But to the employees of a department demoralized by the administration’s repeated attempts to slash its budget and staff, cooperating with the inquiry is seen as a moment of catharsis, an opportunity to reassert the foreign policy norms they believe Trump has blown past.”

    Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat whose budget was cut!

    1. cooperating with the inquiry is seen as a moment of catharsis, an opportunity to reassert the foreign policy norms they believe Trump has blown past.”

      An elected President who thinks he has the authority to control US foreign policy over the objection of the State Department. The nerve of that guy. Nothing says democracy, freedom, and a healthy republic like being ruled by unelected unaccountable morons in the bureaucracy.

      1. And anyone who has read anything about that dictator-wannabe FDR has to be howling!
        Hell, he had 4 or 5 representatives in most countries not to mention the ‘official’ one.

  28. I just don’t understand why Beto’s campaign hasn’t taken off.

    In detention centers and in prisons, in big cities and small towns, women across America don’t have access to the period products they need. On #NationalPeriodDay, men need to join women in demanding real change—which is why I’m supporting the Menstrual Equity Act.

    My only problem with this tweet is its rather transphobic tendency to associate periods with women. When in fact, some transgender men and non-binary people have them too. Regardless, menstrual equity is worth fighting for.


  29. Doctors are lobbying to have breast-cancer warnings added to cheese.

    “Doctors”. You mean the Physicians Committee For Responsible Medicine, which is like referring to the Southern Poverty Law Center as “civil rights activists”. The PCRM are vegans and animal rights activists masquerading as scientists, much like the Naderite Center for Science in the Public Interest pretends to be consumer activists.

    1. “A bunch of statist nannies who also happen to be doctors”

  30. “Clinton suggests Tulsi Gabbard and Jill Stein are ‘Russian assets’.”

    How can we be certain Russia didn’t get her to say that?

    1. Given the amount of projection by the Left, it’s a pretty safe bet that Russia did get her to say that. Whatever Hillary is accusing others of doing is exactly what she’s doing.

      1. Projection ain’t just a river in Egypt.

  31. Asked by NBC about the idea that Russian bots were backing her campaign, Gabbard said “I don’t control them. I don’t control what anyone else says or does.”

    Tulsi – STOP falling into the trap. Stay on message!!!

    You are running for Prez based on changing our foreign policy to be more non-interventionist. You’re not the sole-source expert/gofer on the slew of issues who would make that happen if elected. So pull together all the knowledgeable people who WOULD be those experts you rely on to make that happen. The diplomatic experts who know how State Dept would need to be restructured to make that effective. The DoD and NG folks who would restructure our military footprint. The regional experts who would get into the weeds of how this can be done in all those areas where we are currently intervening. The people who you WILL be expected to ‘control what they do’.

    This isn’t some meaningless inconsequential HS debate where you are expected to have all the answers. You’re running for Prez where you are expected to MAKE THIS HAPPEN – through others. If you don’t provide those names of who will make that happen, then others will fill in the blanks. And as you are seeing you won’t like the names they are filling in. Stop taking this personally like some inexperienced ignorant doofus on a rant. You’re running for Prez – and you’re trying to be half-assed and lazy about it.

    1. You are running for Prez based on changing our foreign policy to be more non-interventionist.

      She appeared to be doing that for a long while. The moment, she started whining about the US withdrawing from Syria, that claim became laughable.

      1. Yeah, I read her tweets. Nonsensical given her stance regarding US in the middle East.

        1. And disappointing. I don’t get politicians. It was her chance to show the country that she really meant what she said. And she blew it and came off looking like an opportunist.

      2. That’s only laughable if she presents no reasons why a)what you think of as ‘non-intervention’ isn’t what you think it is in that situation or b)if that situation is one of those exceptions.

        I can see why both of those might be true. But yeah – when she’s on her own with ‘all the answers’, then she’s vulnerable to you ‘filling in the blanks’ as to what ‘non-intervention’ means as well.

        1. It is laughable because words have meanings. You can’t claim to be non interventionist only to them complain about one of the more pointless and stupid interventions being ended. She appears to be against interventions just so long as being so doesn’t prevent her from criticizing the President or showing team spirit with the Democrats.

          You consistently seem to non understand what words mean and just change their definitions to suite whatever strange point you are trying to make.

        2. A good analogy is Trump bringing in Bolton.

          Anyone can assert that Trump’s rhetoric means ‘non-intervention’. Anyone can assert the opposite as well – that he’s a blustery impulsive fool who will get us deeper into problems. Both may be valid which means both are meaningless.

          Hiring Bolton. Well that certainly puts some flesh on what ‘non-intervention’ actually meant then. Firing Bolton. Well that is now something completely different.

          But you see – we’re no longer attributing Trump’s ideas of ‘non-intervention’ to what he says but to who he hires/fires. Which is as it should be.

          1. We are not talking about Trump. We are talking about leaving Syria. If Gabbard is actually against intervention, she should be happy that that intervention ended. The fact that she wasn’t shows that she is more of an opportunist than anything else.

            Do yourself a favor and evict Trump from your head. Not everything is about Trump.

            1. GAWDALFUCKINGMIGHTY. You are just completely up Trump’s ass aren’t you.

              My comment was about how a HIRING decision changes the meaning of the RHETORIC of an individual. DOING and SAYING are not the same thing.

              If you can’t even see that with the hiring/firing of Bolton re ‘noninterventionism’, then you are beyond hopelessly stupid.

              1. I see it fine. The problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It is completely nonresponsive to the issue at hand.

                1. It is completely responsive. Trump is PRESIDENT now. Whatever he SAYS about ‘nonintervention’ is irrelevant because he is expected to DO it. Was he ‘noninterventionist’ six months ago when he promised to pull out of Syria – and Bolton went to Israel the next day and said ‘Don’t worry won’t happen’ – and golly nothing happened? Or was he ‘noninterventionist’ when he said the same damn thing a couple weeks ago – and absent Bolton, it happened (with legitimate questions about how it was DONE)?

                  Tulsi is a CANDIDATE. All she has the real power to do right now is TALK. and what I am saying is that she needs to pull together the people (like eg Bolton – though obviously not Bolton) who would advise her for now as a candidate and who would DO if she is elected.

                  And then she will be judged as a candidate-for-president by the people she chooses to hire. Rather than with people filling in the blanks as to what her words mean. Except of course for you who is blissfully oblivious to the difference between SAY and DO – but you weren’t gonna vote for Tulsi anyway either. Cuz you’re just a Trumpbot who apparently thinks a D candidate should listen to what you advise re rhetoric.

                2. The problem is that it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

                  YOU are the one who brought up the SPECIFIC issue of withdrawing from Syria. NOT ME. And you think I am changing the topic when I follow up and comment on that specific – re the person who as President is actually MAKING that decision?!?!? WTF!!!

                3. Analogies are often not directly related to the specifics under discussion. An analogy is a device to improve understanding. But you knew that.

        3. Oh – and BTW – here is Tulsi’s actual interview re her attack on what ‘withdrawal from Syria’ is being sold as v what it actually is.

          It is actually a very intelligent well-thought out response. Not the sort of knee-jerk ‘fits a rhetorical meme’ stuff that you seem to prefer because you yourself are too lazy to go beyond simple rhetoric. Doesn’t mean she’s correct – and it just reinforces what I said that she needs to pull in the advisory types to flesh out how she would deliver on what she says.

          Again, it won’t matter for you – cuz your vote is already cast.

          1. Poor JFree.

            Of course, lunatics don’t know that they are crazy.

            1. And ‘non interventionists’ who are still doing regime change don’t know they are actually interventionists.

              1. Okay “Chief”. Let me know when you smash the barricaded window.

  32. Victimhood in gaming:
    “Fear, anxiety and hope: What it means to be a minority in gaming”
    “But woven in are elements that set the game apart. The main character is stuck in a coma, and the villains are nightmares. Players confront issues of anxiety and depression. And, through an all-black cast, Gooden deliberately features the experiences of people typically absent from mainstream games.
    “If you’re a white creator, you rarely think about that,” he said….”

    Pretty simple here; design a game that sells, make money. Design a loser, whine.

    1. If I want to confront issues of anxiety and depression, I just have to get up in the morning. Why the hell would anyone play a video game that instead of transforming you to a more interesting and exiting world asked you to pretend to be a neurotic loser? What the fuck is wrong with this people?

    2. Are these dumbshits really ripping off Zoe Quinn’s offal?

    3. Design a loser, whine.

      “If it weren’t for all those damn racists, I’d be a billionaire by now!”

  33. The hag screws San Francisco traffic, gets suckers $45 to listen to a pitch for a book:

    “Hillary Clinton feuds with candidate, trolls Trump before taking SF stage”
    “…Clinton is still immensely popular in San Francisco…”

    That last is all you need to know.

    1. Elsewhere, she’s just immense.

    2. So, when push comes to shove [as when Trump wins in 2020, and very likely preceded by Ginsberg’s death and replacement] such places along the Northeast and West coasts may elect to secede.

      That would be a very good case for building a wall.

  34. I remember NYPD hanging around outside methadone clinics on Saturdays, when people would get 2 doses to cover Sunday too. Undercovers would pretend to be in withdrawal & beg for someone’s extra dose. If someone was kind enough to give it to them, they got arrested. For a felony.

    Pure scumbags. The lowest kind of human being. These pieces of shit should be in jail not their victims.


    Best Facebook meme I have seen in a while

    1. So, had she been elected in 2016, we would have a genuine stark raving mad lunatic for POTUS as well as “the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long,”

  36. Emily Galvin-Almanza (@GalvinAlmanza) October 20, 2019

    This is entire thread is making me sick to my stomach.

  37. In the news: Clinton still blaming her loss on Jill Stein; Warren refuses to show her math.

  38. “U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper said late Saturday that all of the roughly 1,000 U.S. troops ordered to leave northeastern Syria would be redeployed to western Iraq and conduct operations against the Islamic State extremist group from there.”

    There is still an open question as to whether the Trump administration will leave some token force in Syria for political posturing reasons or for intelligence purposes, but the answer to question of whether the troops Trump is withdrawing from northern Syria are being withdrawn from Syria completely is “yes”.

    Thank goodness we have a pragmatic president who makes choices that are in the best interests of U.S. security, U.S. troops, and U.S. taxpayers rather than the best interests of defense contractors, the Kurds, and the hurt feelings of neoconservative warmongers everywhere, the latter of which have infected both major political parties and the media with their disease.

  39. “On my first day as president, I will sign an executive order that puts a total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases for drilling offshore and on public lands. And I will ban fracking—everywhere.”

    —-Elizabeth Warren, September 6, 2019

    1. I do not see how she could ban fracking by executive order. Make no mistake, however, the Democrats want to destroy large sections of the economy and send tens of millions of people into unemployment and poverty. Worse, they see doing that as a good thing.

      Remember, Trump is the dangerous one.

      1. As long as they’re consenting adults…oh, you said “fracking.”

        1. Don’t forget that the absolutely equal to men in every way women cannot be trusted to consent. They must be protected in every way.

      2. “I do not see how she could ban fracking by executive order.”

        I didn’t see how Obama could implement DACA by executive order. That was implemented in June of 2012. Trump rescinded it by executive order, and it’s still in effect pending the outcome of the Supreme Court case that was only heard this month–more than seven years later. I hope they come up with the right answer on that, but for all we know, it could be a “penaltax” case all over again.

        Regardless, I’m sure Liz Warren doesn’t feel bound by constitutional norms.

    2. “And the economy will dive into the toilet, and I will blame Trump.”

    3. It’s an odds on bet has has no idea that fracking has been part of the oil extraction tool kit since pretty much Titusville.

    4. Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. is an investment bank focused on the oil industry. They did an analysis for their clients of what might happen in the oil industry if Elizabeth Warren were elected and kept her promise.

      “Tudor Pickering estimates that if fracking were banned, natural gas prices in the U.S. would jump to somewhere between $9 and $15, up from $2.32 per million British thermal units on Friday. The firm figures that oil, which ended Friday at $53.78 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, would rise to the $80-to-$85 range and could risk shooting to $150 during market shocks.”

      The Green New Deal would, of course, be far worse and far more devastating because it isn’t just limited to the oil industry. Even if you don’t believe she’d do what she says with the Green New Deal, her promises on fracking alone would be devastating to the economy–never mind what it would do to the positive trade and security implications of the U.S. fracking revolution. If you think the world is dependent on Middle Eastern oil now, you should have seen what it was like back in 2003 and 1991.

      I remember Gillespie once quoting someone as saying that where Trump’s critics take everything he says literally but not seriously, Trump’s supporters take what he says seriously but not literally.

      That’s upside down and backwards when it comes to Elizabeth Warren: her critics take her threats literally, but they don’t take the economic consequences of her policies seriously. At best, Elizabeth Warren is a brazen liar with no intention of keeping her promises. At worst, she’s being brutally honest. We can only hope she’s just a liar–and would never actually keep her stupid promises.

      1. But I don’t think Leo will suffer much, which is the important thing.

  40. San Francisco 49ers: 6-0.

    Yeah, I’ll bet they’re really missing Colin Kaepernick.

    1. With Kaep under center, every play was a drama: Would he take the snap before the game clock hit zero?!

  41. Here’s my interview with Gabbard — does she seem like a Russian plant?

    Tulsi is Lysenko’s greatest achievement!

  42. As Hillary Clinton and the rest of the globalists fight tooth and nail for continued military policing of the ME, here’s what’s going on right at our own back door.

    A Drug Cartel Just Defeated The Mexican Military In Battle
    Mexico is in a state of collapse, and Americans need to realize that the crisis underway south of the Rio Grande won’t stop at the border.

    The ensuing scene could have been mistaken for Syria or Yemen. Footage posted on social media Thursday showed burning vehicles spewing black smoke, heavily armed gunmen blocking roads, dead bodies strewn in the streets, and residents fleeing for cover amid high-caliber gunfire.

    Armed with military-grade weapons and driving custom-built armored vehicles, cartel henchmen targeted security forces throughout Culiacan, launching more than one dozen separate attacks on Mexican security forces. They captured and held hostage eight soldiers, then kidnapped their families. Amid the fighting, an unknown number of inmates escaped from a nearby prison. At least eight people were killed and more than a dozen were injured.

    The eight-hour battle ended when government forces, outgunned and surrounded, without reinforcements or a way to retreat, received an order directly from Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador to release their prisoner and surrender.

    1. “Understand that the fighting in Culiacan is not just another episode in the “drug war,” nor is it merely an incident of organized crime. What’s happening Mexico right now is more like an insurgency. Yes, drug-trafficking is one of the things the cartels do, but it doesn’t nearly describe what they are or what role they’re playing in the disintegration of civil society in Mexico. Indeed, over the past decade cartels have diversified their economic activities to include everything from oil and gas production to industrial agriculture to offshore commercial fishing.

      In other words, it’s fair to say that Mexico is now on a trajectory to become a vast gangland governed more by warlordism than by the state. The last time this happened was a century ago, during the decade-long Mexican Revolution, which eventually triggered the invasion and occupation of northern Mexico in 1916 by the U.S. Army, including the mobilization of the entire National Guard and a call for volunteers. Before it was over, U.S. forces attacked and occupied Nogales, Sonora, in 1918 and Ciudad Juarez in 1919.”

      1. I’d say Mexico is already a modern feudal state. The narcos even operate like classic feudal lords; swear fealty in order to gain protection, but you’ll have to pledge yourself to service when called upon or be killed. People may pay lip service to Rome’s supremacy, but in reality they run their own affairs.

        Too bad there’s not an American Belisarius to slap the narcos around a bit, because I sure don’t see a Charlemagne emerging from that desert taco stand.

  43. You know who else is popular in Russia? Not just Tulsi Gabbard. Also: Stalin

    A record 70 percent of Russians approve of Soviet leader Josef Stalin’s role in Russian history, according to a poll published by the independent Levada Center pollster on Tuesday.

    I guess all you need is a bunch of cultists, a cult leader, state media like Fox, a somnabulistic political culture, and a bullshit veneer applied to a bought-and-paid for “democracy” and the people will support just about anyone! Wow!

  44. Now that the DNC isn’t run by a bunch of Clinton’s fucking hacks these kinds of smears don’t seem to be working much. A huge improvement over 2016 when, if you supported Bernie Sanders, you were accused of being a sexist knuckle dragger.

    An increasing number of other 2020 Democratic candidates have positioned themselves in Gabbard’s camp, rejecting Clinton’s claims, defending Gabbard and attempting to shift the conversation to other topics.

    Entrepreneur Andrew Yang defended Gabbard, saying she “deserves much more respect and thanks than this.”

    “She literally just got back from serving abroad,” Yang tweeted. Gabbard is a Hawaii Army National Guard major who served in Iraq.

    Marianne Williamson, the self-help author, told Gabbard to “stay strong” and said she’s the victim of attempted “character assassination.”

    “The Democratic establishment has got to stop smearing women it finds inconvenient!” she tweeted. “The character assassination of women who don’t toe the party line will backfire. Stay strong @TulsiGabbard. You deserve respect and you have mine.”

  45. U.S. Troops Withdrawing From Syria Draw Scorn

    I know reason hates Trump and cannot bear to say good things about Trump but evidently all US troops are leaving Syria.

    Trump: Ending wars that other Presidents started!!!

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  47. Didn’t third part candidate Ross Perot help usher Ms. Clinton’s husband into the WH? Was he also a ‘Russian Asset’?

    1. No and probably not. Studies showed he took votes roughly equally from both Bush and Clinton. It still would have been a more legitimate outcome without him.

      1. “”No and probably not. Studies showed he took votes roughly equally from both Bush and Clinton.””

        Is this your criteria for being a Russian asset?

  48. I would tap that asset.

  49. That’s a great pic of Hillary. It makes her look like she’s praying at an altar, seeking redemption for her lifetime of sin.

    Her overwhelming burden of guilt has finally driven her mad. Pretty soon she’ll be claiming she’s an incarnation of Sancta Maria and recruiting children to join her crusade against the Devil (Trump).

    1. There’s a pizza shop available for just that purpose.

      1. Okay, that is really funny. Bravo Tony, Bravo.

    2. Yeah, but redemption requires her to have actual humility, and that’s not her style.

  50. Livin’ on Tulsi Time…

  51. Anyone who believes these conspiracies about Tulsi is not very bright. Period.

    1. She belongs to a cult.

      Anyone who thinks she cannot possibly be part of a conspiracy is a dolt.

      1. Kiddo I said *these* conspiracies. And I will repeat: you’re not an intelligent person if you believe hillarys nonsense

  52. “Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) says she’s almost figured out how much her Medicare for All plan would cost and how the government should pay for it.”

    Said Warren, “My plan to pay for “Medicare for All” involves everyone in America having two, or maybe three, jobs and a tax rate of 100%. Oh, and the tax rate for corporations will be the same. As to the middle class seeing a tax hike, well that won’t happen as under my plan the middle class will cease to exist. There, problem solved.”

  53. I am actively avoiding the topic of Tulsi with any friends or coworkers because if, God forbid, I discover that they have jumped on the fucking “Tulsi is a Russian asset” bandwagon, I may lose many friends. How fucking stupid and obnoxious does one have to be to cite nothing but innuendo and politically motivated conspiracy theory as “evidence” to “prove” their godawful bullshit? The Russia fever never ends. It’s another brand of borking. Instead of smearing someone with the stench of sexual harassment/assault allegations, it’s Russian conspiracy. The Democrats have only one response to anything that challenges their entitlement to ultimate power, which is to smear and defame their opponents rather than engage their arguments and ideas honestly. Borking, smearing, pointing, accusing, shrieking. To the “but both sides!” people, say all you want about the rot in the GOP but don’t come back with that birther conspiracy bullshit because despite the concerted effort at revising recent history, that smear was born in the Clinton campaign for the nomination. The big blue machine and it’s propaganda wing in the MSM will crush anyone who dares question them or call them on their bullshit.

  54. Gosh, if Mormon McMuffin in Mittland agrees with ban-reactors but bomb-the-backward loser Dems, that makes it a 97% consensus and settled science! Tulsi may add entertainment value to coming landslide. There is only so much of The Don crushing pro-war anti-energy Dem candidates under the tires of his truck you can watch without wondering if it’s a rerun of the Nice massacre. Here’s to Tulsi getting the platform committee to drop the 1848 Millerite Global Warming Advent plank AND the 1848 communist manifesto principles.

  55. I would have expected, somewhere in all of this eye-rolling about Hillary’s characterization of Tulsi as a “Russian asset,” there might be something to rebut the apparently widely-held belief that Russian bots are, at the very least, promoting her “campaign,” such as it is.

    Something is going on with Tulsi. Recall that the Russians targeted “idealistic whites” as part of their efforts to get Trump elected in 2016 (per the recently-released Senate report). I’m seeing those same “idealistic whites” working themselves up into a fever over Tulsi. A remarkable number of communists I’ve had the displeasure of interacting with are all-in on Tulsi and anti-just about any other Democratic candidate. Their support for her has almost nothing to do with domestic policy and almost everything to do with being anti-war.

    I don’t really believe that Tulsi (or Jill Stein) are “Russian assets” in the sense of, taking orders from the Kremlin. That much seems unlikely. But she certainly seems to be well-positioned to further any interest the Russians might have in keeping a weak and incompetent president in the White House.

    1. Not saying they are, but who cares if Russian bots promote her? It doesn’t make her a Russian asset. It doesn’t mean the Russians are grooming her. Russian bots have never won an election for someone nor have they ever cost someone an election. By all means prove me wrong with concrete facts if you disagree.

      Genuinely wanna know why it’s a problem. Russians gonna Russian. Democrats used similar bot tactics against Roy Moore.

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  57. Well, if anyone on this continent would know who the Russian assets are, it would be Hillary.

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