Video of Rep. Ilhan Omar Allegedly Calling for People to 'Be More Fearful of White Men' Is Fake News
The viral clip was misleadingly edited, and stripped of important context

A short video clip in which Rep. Ilhan Omar (D–Minn.) appears to call on Americans to "be more fearful of white men" went viral this week, prompting denunciation from Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.), who wondered whether journalists will ask Democrats to criticize Omar's statement as racist.
The 41-second clip, though, is extremely misleading, and specifically cuts out an important clarifying line.
Omar was asked by Al Jazeera to respond to the conservative argument that it is legitimate to fear "quote-unquote Jihadist terrorism, whether it's Fort Hood, or San Bernardino, or the recent truck attack in New York."
Omar's truncated response, featured in the viral video clip, seems to suggest that she thinks the government should instead be profiling white men. "I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country." The clip then immediately cuts to Omar saying, "We should be profiling, monitoring, and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men."
If that were actually the point Omar was trying to get across, or even all she said, it would certainly be an idea worth criticizing.
But this is not what she's saying. As the full video makes clear, Omar included a caveat: After she says the line about why the U.S. should be more fearful of white men, she adds, "and so if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of this country…" and then she says "we should be profiling, monitoring, and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men."
Just to be abundantly clear, here is her full, unedited comment, in response to the prompt, "A lot of conservatives, in particular, would say the rise of Islamophobia is a result not of hate, but of fear":
I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country and so if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of this country, we should be profiling, monitoring, and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men.
Omar was not endorsing the creation of a state apparatus to surveil white people, but rather, suggesting that if we're going to base our decisions about public safety and surveillance on which racial or ethnic or ideological group causes the most violence, it is hypocritical for conservatives to focus on Muslims and not whites.
In fact, white men who identify as, or associate with, white nationalists have in recent years been responsible for more violent acts than radical Muslims, even though crimes committed by the latter group are far more likely to be labeled terrorism. This point came up frequently when I testified before the House subcommittee on civil rights and civil liberties last May, and it has been a topic of concern among American leftists for years. Ideologically-motivated violence is a small proportion of overall violence, of course. In 2017, there were just 34 "extremism-related" deaths in the U.S., according to the Anti-Defamation League. Eighteen were committed by white nationalists, and nine were committed by Islamic radicals.
According to The Intercept, which racial group causes the most violence in general depends on how you count and categorize acts of violence (and on 9/11 being excluded):
Some studies by academics, think tanks, civil rights groups, and news organizations have suggested that right-wing terrorism poses the greater threat. A 2017 report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office on terrorist violence from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016 found that while slightly more people have been killed by Muslim extremists than by their right-wing counterparts, right-wing extremists were responsible for three times as many violent acts. Research by the Anti-Defamation League on 573 "extremist-related fatalities" from 2002 to 2018 found that 80 percent of the victims were killed by right-wing extremists.
In any case, it's true that a myopic focus on Islamic violence neglects the rising threat of white nationalism. Neither threat should prompt Americans to willingly sacrifice their civil liberties or accept mass surveillance based on skin color or religious identification, but Omar was calling out hypocrisy and is well within her rights to do so.
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"A lot of conservatives, in particular, would say the rise of Islamophobia is a result not of hate, but of fear":
Zero conservatives would say this.
Given a phobia is an irrational fear, how can she say it is irrational to fear a religion whose published purpose is to kill those who do not convert to Islam? Sounds pretty damn rational to me.
If that's the "purpose" of Islam, then modern Muslims are about as bad at killing Christians as modern Christians are bad at killing sodomites.
Which is to say, in America, it's not a big deal. Our Muslims, much like our Christians, have learned to ignore the more violent parts of their religious history and texts.
I don't know they seem to have done a pretty good job in Iraq and Syria.
Tut-tut, there was nothing wrong with this clip at all. Many of my finest colleagues here at NYU, as well as prosecutors all over America, use the same technique on a daily basis to establish a more appropriate version of the truth, without any type of condemnation from the surrounding legal or academic communities, or indeed from anyone. If we were obliged to provide the smokescreen of a requested "context" for the words in question, then we wouldn't be able to do our job of showing how unwanted some of the sordid elements infecting our society really are. For an excellent example, see the filings in our nation's leading criminal "satire" case, documented at:
https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/
The fact that the video was misleadingly edited doesn't change the fact that Omar made a false claim about when white men causing most deaths in America. most of the deaths in this country are not caused by white men — or even whites of all genders. The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports show that less than half of all murders are committed by whites. Whites constitute only 44.2% of all those arrested for murder and non-negligent manslaughter; by contrast, 53.1% are black, according to the FBI’s publication “Crime in the United States.” (The 44.2% figure is for all whites, not just non-Hispanic whites). As Daniel Engber at Slate noted, whites are not overrepresented among mass shooters, either (such as terrorists).
Non Hispanic whites only commit like 15% of murders IIRC, Hispanic whites are 30-35% depending on the year... In other words whites are VASTLY underrepresented based on their percentage of the population, and blacks and Hispanics are VASTLY overrepresented.
Either way, that added context doesn't improve what she said one tiny bit IMO. It's just as absurd and offensive.
Omar is a traitor who should GTFO. It is a testament to the treasonous nature of democrats that they elected her to serve in congress.
"Our Muslims, much like our Christians, have learned to ignore the more violent parts of their religious history and texts."
The founder of the Christian religion said, "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." The founder of the Islam religion said, "Hew the necks of the unbelievers" (and he hewed plenty of necks of Jews and Christians.
I like how you had to qualify that with "in america" so you could ignore the global assaults. When you start mixing in calls for open borders...
“Our Muslims” ? What? Who is the “we” you speak of? Certainly the ones teaching school kids to cut off the heads of “us” are not “ours.” Nor are the ones who actually kill us. Nor are the ones who speak against us and who vote people like the women of the squad into Congress. America has no good Muslims anymore than it has good Christians. America has Christians and it has Muslims Who swear fidelity to the United States. What you are ignoring is that the word Islam means submit and if they don’t submit the wrong people can kill them. They swear fidelity to Allah. Those are not ours. And it seems that is a great many of times. You had better fear of their religion and what they are capable of doing either or you may lose your country.
And it is, apparently, VITAL we bring more of the Muslims who have NOT ignored the more violent parts of their faith to this country.
Yeah...........
Our Muslims are a tiny, tiny minority. And in places where they are clustered, like where Omar hails, it gets bad very fast.
So there is ZERO equivalence.
"modern Muslims are about as bad at killing Christians"
750,000 killed, two million displaced in the last ten years from Libya to Pakistan.
And if you want to get into that, how can anyone say that a phobia is not the result of fear. It's kind of right there in the definition.
That's why terms like Islamophobia, homophobia (fear of sameness?), or transphobia (fear of crossing?) should be replaced with something more appropriate.
Fascism?
It's always fascism.
When I was in 6th grade, a girl asked me if I was a "homosexual". I had no idea what that was so I looked it up in the class dictionary.
Of course it wasn't there, but homo was, and I knew what sexual was. Was I a man who was sexual? Of course I was!
Did you go back and tell her that you were, and that you’d be willing to demonstrate with her?
The article sets up a straw man and proceeds to knock it down. Critics of her comment never suggested that she affirmatively declared people whould be generally fearful of "white men." Rather, it was her comparison between "white men" and Jihadist terrorists that critics found to be offensive. Substitute "black men" in place of "white men" and ask if the purported "context" of her comments make them less offensive. Soave's lame defense of Omar is a miss.
TO BE SURE, BOOOTH SSIIIIDDESS
Not worthy of defense.
I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country and so if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of this country, we should be profiling, monitoring, and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men.
Isn't this still a lie? Are white men causing most of the deaths across this country? FBI crime statistics would suggest otherwise.
But then again she says deaths, not murder.
Wouldn't cancer or heart disease be causing most of the deaths in this country?
Of course the evil CEO's of the chemical and food companies that are giving us cancer and heart disease are mostly white men, so Omar got it right after all.
Are CEOs radicalized?
“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”― Jesse Jackson
Omar and Soave should take it up with him.
"Of course the evil CEO’s of the chemical and food companies that are giving us cancer and heart disease are mostly white men"
Chemicals cause cancer? We’re made of chemicals. Food causes cancer and heart disease? Nobody forces you to eat, starvation will save you from both of those scourges.
There's already buttloads of profiling of white men for terrorism, serial killing, and everything else. There is so much of it, it hampered the Parkway shooter investigation for months when it turned out to be not a white guy, but a black guy, and not a lone nut but a guy with a Robin teen sidekick.
It hamoered finding who caused the Atlanta Olympics bombing, too, because "obviously" it was the fat loner white guy guard who "found" the bomb who actually planted it so he could be the hero.
Whites cause about 45% of the murders but are 60% of the population. So Omar's premise is wrong no matter how one manipulates the data.
That's counting Hispanics for the murders, and not for the total population figure. It's actually more like 10-15% and 60% actually.
A 2017 report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office on terrorist violence from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016 found that while slightly more people have been killed by Muslim extremists than by their right-wing counterparts, right-wing extremists were responsible for three times as many violent acts. Research by the Anti-Defamation League on 573 "extremist-related fatalities" from 2002 to 2018 found that 80 percent of the victims were killed by right-wing extremists.
That's a pretty interesting time frame to choose. I wonder how they selected the starting date.
It's the day after some people did some things.
I guess they thought including September 11, 2001 would "skew" the results because the events of that day were an "outlier." Of course, that misses the fundamental point that this "outlier" is the primary driver of the "fear" that is being discussed. Robby shows what a dope he is in his attempt to undercut the basis for that fear by citing studies that omit this crucial data point. And, importantly, while Muslim extremists have demonstrated themselves to be capable of producing such "outliers," the incompetent, moronic, rag-tag, and relatively small group of right-wing extremists have not. Thus, it is entirely reasonable to have greater fear of Muslim extremist violence than right-wing extremist violence.
All of that is even before we address the idiocy in Omar claiming that white men are responsible for more deaths in the U.S. without making any adjustments for population size, etc.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
There are a whole lot more white men than muslims.
Jebus, I wondered how far I would have to scroll down to find a non-innumerate take on those stats. What are Muslims? 2%? 3%?
Yeah, it's waay out of proportion. And secondly, when that population percentage rises, what numbers do we see? Judging from London and Germany (and not counting Sweden where they've decided the people don't need to see the numbers), it goes up pretty fast.
But...to be sure...
“while Muslim extremists have demonstrated themselves to be capable of producing such “outliers,” the incompetent, moronic, rag-tag, and relatively small group of right-wing extremists have not. ”
Oklahoma City
The problem with classifying terrorist as right wing is that no one quite agrees on what is right wing. The Klan and Neo-nazis are often classified as right wing but most self identified right wingers reject these groups and their ideology. I am sure the same can be said to some degree about Islamic terrorism. Extremism is extremism but comparing religion to race is just fucking stupid. And trying to classify ideologies in a binary system is also stupidity. I have problems, and some fear of certain practitioners of Islam and their acceptance of violence. I don't think they are some existential threat to America but I also can't ignore stuff like the San Bernardino shootings or Pulse Night Club or Ft. Hood or 9/11. Like a number of Americans my age I admit I gave into fear after 9/11 and at times did defend the Patriot Act and other such efforts. I still support the idea of military tribunals for terrorist and non-uniform combatants caught on the battlefield. This is because that is how it has always been handled (the Geneva Convention even acknowledges this). I also oppose over the top show trials of American servicemembers who do stupid stuff like piss on corpses of slain enemies. A counseling letters or at worst a non judicial article 15 is far more appropriate. But at the same time I fully supported throwing the book at the idiots involved in Abu Gharib. I have mixed feelings about drones and Iraq and Afghanistan. My biggest complaints is that if we were going to go in (and Afghanistan was surely warranted) we should have gone in full force and had an exit strategy (or realistic strategy for afterwards). War is sometimes unfortunately necessary, but we've made it to painless and we seemed to have learned the wrong lessons from Vietnam. If we decide to go to war then we need to put everything behind it and win as quickly as possible, if we ain't willing to do that then we shouldn't commit our troops.
Omar was not endorsing the creation of a state apparatus to surveil white people,
She was however saying we should be fearful of white men:
"I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country "
So she supports directing at other people what she calls Islamophobia and racism when directed at Team Blue members.
It's an extremely vague statement open to interpretation which I suspect was her intent. What does "causing most of the deaths" mean?
What does “causing most of the deaths” mean?
Every black person who died without being paid reparations. Technically, in a significantly mentally handicapped line of thinking, white people are responsible for all the black deaths in this country. Also maybe she
's jumped onto the anti-abortion bandwagondoesn't give two shits about principles and is counting all the black babies aborted by white doctors.If a white politician said we should be fearful of minorities he would be out of office, yet when Omar does it, it is perfectly acceptable.
Pretty sure Steve King is still in office.
Steve King has been stripped of all of his committee seats, congress formally condemned his comments, DEMOCRATS demurred in censuring him, and there's about a 100% chance he won't be re-elected...that's probably close enough for our purposes here...
Completely undeserved.
Totally true.
And yet a politician who said that would actually be far more grounded in reality, statistics, and logic. Since minorities commit the overwhelming majority of all crimes in the USA, and whites are VASTLY underrepresented for every single category of criminal activity.
What an upside down world we live in.
Her response, interpreted any way, was decidedly un-libertarian. She deserves the criticism.
And by the way your headline is false. She does support being fearful of white men. She just didn't advocate surveillance.
It's interesting the distinction Robbie's pushing is so fine his headline writer doesn't get it.
"Video of Rep. Ilhan Omar Allegedly Calling for People to 'Be More Fearful of White Men' Is Fake News"
I had to read it twice to try to figure out how the exact quote she used and Rico verified could be "fake news." Seems rather genuine to me. He refuted his own premise. Well done, Rico.
The headline should be "Omar hates whitey"
"The viral clip was misleadingly edited, and stripped of important context"
So? Isn't that the definition of viral?
Or is that only important when done to a screaming socialist?
>>>Omar was not endorsing the creation of a state apparatus to surveil white people, but rather ...
instead created a fully-retarded strawman.
How many white men in the US? How many Muslim radicals? It is the RATE of committed violence, not the amount, that is important. Her concentration on race and gender is what is disturbing. Just as it is disturbing in anyone else of any race and gender.
It is the RATE of committed violence, not the amount, that is important.
It's revealing Reason carps on this constantly. But the second ignoring it allows them to make a criticism we're all expected to forget.
Rate doesn't matter as much as you think.
As an American who doesn't travel outside of America, if I'm going to die violently at the hands of another, it's much more likely to be at the hands of another white man then any other race or sex.
And that's before you even take into account demographics of where I live, who I work with, and so-on.
So if I'm going to be worried about such a violent end, it would be rational to worry more about white men then any other group, even if the individual incidence rate is lower.
Which is, of course, intended to highlight that the worries themselves aren't rational.
The worries aren't rational because you're about as likely to die during the commission of a hate crime as you are to die from a lightning strike. But of course Omar didn't say that the worries are irrational.
Not true if the idea is to watch a group, which is costly. In that case, the most cost effective group to watch depends on the ratio of the per person cost of watching the group to the rate of violence among members of the group.
As an American who doesn’t travel outside of America, if I’m going to die violently at the hands of another, it’s much more likely to be at the hands of another white man then any other race or sex.
Why is it much more likely? Do you live in Vermont or something? If you take the US as a whole, you're more likely to be killed by a black male than by any other category. (It appears that both white and black categories were further subdivided into hispanic/latino and not hispanic/latino. Those are not entirely separate categories.)
I've lived on 3 continents, 5 countries, but I've only been mugged at gunpoint one time. If I held a woodchipper to your feet, what do you think the sex and race of my mugger was?
"Rate doesn't matter as much as you think."
Tell that to the climate alarmists, who base their whole argument on "rate."
Hey dumbass... she didnt say white people should be more afraid, she said the country. Are you dumb or racist?
>So if I’m going to be worried about such a violent end, it would be rational to worry more about white men then any other group, even if the individual incidence rate is lower.
No, that's ridiculous and a terrible crime against the venerable science of mathematics. Rate is still (and is always) the primary driver of meaning. Allow me to elucidate:
Imagine I have a set of a hundred boxes. There are ninety green boxes and ten red boxes. Nine of the green boxes and five of the red boxes have a hundred dollars in them. Say I hand you a random box. Would you be more excited to open a red box or a green box? By your logic, you should be more excited to open a random green box because there is a greater total of cash in them, even though only 10% of them contain any money. The red boxes, on the other hand, must be less exciting to open because they, as a group, contain less total money, even though 50% of them have cash in them.
This is why rate is the only thing that is important in crime statistics. If your life is surrounded by white people then yes, you are strictly more likely to be killed by a white person than a person of another skin color, but that's because you will encounter far and away more white people in your life than people of any other color and those encounters you do have with unknown people of other colors do carry a higher per-encounter risk than your per-encounter risk with white people.
Yup.
3 of the 4 times I've had people try to mug me, they were minorities... In a city that has been between 70-75% white the whole time I've lived here.
"Numbers so racist!"
Of course it's absurd to compare the absolute numbers of victims of white men vs. muslim men in America, as muslims are only about 1% of the population, while non-Hispanic whites are about 60%.
Yep.
Is it still only 1%? Perhaps not in Minnesota or DC...
Numbers are racist.
This is basically their argument. Because numbers refute basically 100% of the crap leftists and progs believe.
Her concentration on race and gender is actually refreshing, but I believe it's erroneous to point to whites. As pointed out, the rate for other minorities is much much higher. Racial profiling is what our brains are programmed to do, and they're not wrong. There's more to it - social status, income, associates, situation. But if we were smart we would be isolating problem groups and paying them more attention.
Soave, I just can't agree with you here. I watched the whole video and rewatched the relevant section 3 times and she is definitely advocating for profiling of white people. I don't know how else you could take it.
Let's gauge your judgment on these matters . . . are you gullible enough to believe fairy tales are true?
wat? I watched the video and came to a different conclusion than Soave. Did you watch the video?
He wants to know whether you believe the fairy tale, as he does, about the super-enlightened inner cities of America like Baltimore and Detroit, where gays are shunned and abortion is demonized.
Are you gullible enough to think the entire human race doesn't want you to die a violent painful miserable death, you retarded cunt?
“Are you gullible enough to be fairy tales are true?”
Are you asking if he’s young at heart? According to the old Sinatra song:
“Fairy tales can come true
It can happen to you
If you’re young at heart.”
I interpret the phrase as meaning “open minded, game to try new things, generally positive, and confident in one’s ability to navigate the vagaries of life.” So I would say I am young at heart.
What do I think of fairy tales? I prefer the older, darker versions —not the sanitized Disney ones—such as collected by the brothers Grimm. They are European folk tales, basically. No more true than American ones like Paul Bunyan or John Henry.
I hope the cocktail parties Soave gets invited to are worth his proving himself a godforsaken idiot to every English speaker on earth with an internet connection.
Well, his reach isn't as big as that Unboxing guy on the YouTube...
One can't even follow the twisted logic of Soave here. Anyway you cut it, she's trying to condemn white as "whites." Soave needs to get a life!
Omar digs white men but would not admit it publicly She knows they have the wherewithall and juice to get things done and quick.
I've met her a few times - she acts differently with different people. You know what I'm talking about....
This seems relevant to the discussion. From the NBC News article.
"But different organizations track extremist violence in different ways. The ADL counts non-ideological murders committed by extremists in its tally — so a dedicated white supremacist who commits a murder unrelated to his political beliefs would be counted, for example. New America, a think tank with its own tracking system, excludes such statistics. . . .
New America counted five murders by far-right extremists in 2017, nine by Islamic extremists, and three by black nationalists."
The article also points out that by the ADL's standards 2017 was an outlier, with far fewer murders by extremists than usual. What was the cause, you ask?
"An absence of large shooting sprees explains last year’s lower extremist-linked murder tally, according to the ADL. In 2016, Omar Mateen killed 49 people at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida. In 2015, white supremacists and Islamic extremists engaged in three significant shooting sprees that left 28 dead."
Neither 2016 nor 2015 are helpful to the narrative, but at least white guys were a big part of the problem in 2015.
It's all retarded.
Note, of course, that Muslims are about 1% of the population, (Even a few years ago it was more like a half percent.) so by any account they are punching dramatically above their weight when it comes to terror in the US.
Well sure Muslims may make up a small fraction of the population but it isn't like white folks make up over half the population.
What? Really? What if you don't count Hispanic whites? I see, it goes down to 54%.
Point taken.
The focus should be on getting rid of the ones we can, and not letting more muslims migrate here, with a few logical exceptions.
so she did say it and the context doesn't show otherwise and in the longer uncut version she further blames white men for more crimes which is factually not true so she is still a piece of it and your cover for her is lacking.
and your cover for her is lacking.
I disagree completely. While it is a sub-par defense, it's existence is a wealth of information.
"I would rather have an incestuous Islamic Senator in front of me than a left-'libertarian' millennial journolist behind me."
if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of this country
Uh, isn't it?
No.
Fear is the driving force of policies that enable increased police surveillance and government control over your life, but they do nothing to "keep America safe".
Policies that do that are much more complicated, much harder to claim are working (they work too slowly and just aren't dramatic enough) and so-on.
But no. The increased "security" that we've had from 2001 on has dreadfully little to do with actual "safety".
If they really wanted to keep America safe from say gun crime they'd end drug prohibition which is about 95% of the problem.
AMEN
I'm pretty sure people appeal to government over their fears all the time, from national security to social security.
The truth is, if we wanted to ignore rights and just get shit done we'd kick out all minority groups that weren't Asians.
But of course that would be mean, and profiling and stuff. But they are in fact the ones that commit all the crimes.
We'd have pre refugee influx Swedish levels of crime here if we were a nation of whites and Asians.
The uncut version is still pretty bad.
She reminds me of a foreign-born worker who actually speaks excellent English but, whenever you try to ask her about something she doesn't want to discuss, she just keeps responding with irrelevant word salad until you give up.
The uncut version still leaves the claim in the headline false.
Never let facts get in the way of a good headline
Therefore, the group to be most feared are white Muslims?
Probably Doctors, who wear white coats.
Yes. Indeed. Seriously...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
What the fuck happened to this publication?
TDS.
To be sure.
No fruit sushi in the budget this year.
I think Robby is trying to write to a progressive audience. And you have to realize that the only way to reach them is to talk to them like children. That means don't criticize them or doubt their moral panic about white supremacy, or they'll just click away concluding you're a Nazi. Keep in mind the whole point of this magazine is outreach.
Maybe he wants to teach them a lesson about how collectivism is bad, mmkay. I think it will fall on deaf ears but at least he's trying.
Citing the ADL as a reliable source is unforgivable, though.
I think Robby is trying to write to a progressive audience.
He has his eye on the Dave Weigel career path.
As long as he doesn't have his eye on the Dave Weigel poundage path.
At least it's a step up from SLPC. Barely.
Keep in mind the whole point of this magazine is outreach.
Then they really need to find a way to stop putting a lie to the "Free Minds and Free Markets" slogan.
“The rising threat of white nationalism”?!? Really Robbie? Increasing media assertions, sure. I’ve seen no evidence of an increase. As a matter of fact, i see less of it today than I saw 20 years ago and I saw very little of it then. The US population is somewhere over 350 million....How many would describe themselves as White Nationalists?
How else did Hilly lose?
Oh, man, probably 360 million.
Everything is so terrible and unfair. Haha
If you think the USA should seek to remain a nation state, with actual borders and rules as to who is and who isn't a citizen, and you're white, you're a white nationalist.
If your country is actually good (i.e., USA), is it bad to be in favor of it? Shouldn't everyone be at least somewhat pro-USA nationalist?
If you're not, doesn't that make you an anti-American revolutionary?
"A lot of conservatives, in particular, would say the rise of Islamophobia is a result not of hate, but of fear"
I think a wise old Jedi had something to say about hate and fear. Or something.
"If a Bene Gesserit witch and Yoda had a child, and named it 'this very saying'...."
Yeah, and remember who DIED???
I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country
I believe this may be factually incorrect.
Jews are white, and the Mossad was behind 9/11, and the Rothschilds are white, and they're behind the deadly hurricanes, so really it's correct.
/sarc /sarc /sarc
So, leaving aside the idiocracy retorts such as, cancer or heart attack or whatever “causes the most deaths” ... sticking with what we know Omar was referencing, which is death by violence — I have a couple of retorts. First, blacks commit many more violent acts than whites. Second, Middle Easterners are white. Third, Islam is a religion not a race, and its members come from every race. So what the fuck is Omar talking about??
Second, Middle Easterners are white.
Some of them, but certainly not the majority.
The majority.
Semites are a form of Caucasian. Arabs, Persians, Egyptians are all types of Caucasian.
This.
They love to prescribe the wrong solution for problems!
Another example: Don’t like police brutality? You don’t need BLM to educate cops about racism, you need to take away the police unions and cops’ qualified immunity.
Don’t like surveillance of people who’ve done nothing wrong? You don’t need to figure out if there is racial profiling, or Islamophobia, etc: you need to demand the government respect the Fourth Amendment.
Comment went in the wrong place.
In any case, Omar is ignorant of her own religion. Indonesia is probably the biggest single Muslim country, population-wise, and Indonesians are
Asians.
What I want to know is who the f is voting in someone this dumb? I know they probably just pull the D lever and that’s it, but Omar lowers the intelligence standard for politicians as a whole, and that’s no mean feat. I’m sure janitors and sanitation workers are brighter than politicians as a group.
It's kind of like when the girls in Congress talk about women making 77c on the dollar, it is factually correct (or in the ballpark) but it's a meaningless fact.
She's 'gibberishing', which is the correct patois for speaking to "journalists" in 2019.
True. Journalists are people not competent enough to make it as English majors.
So, what? English corporals?
More like English Lieutenants, and we’re talking 2nd class, at that.
Middle Easterners aren't "white," they're Caucasian. As are Indians from India. But they're not white. We're all in the same branch a ways back, but the distinction is pretty solidly there to anyone with eyes to see.
Actually, I found out awhile ago that some of the middle eastern countries where people look REALLY light skinned, like Palestine and other areas around there, are ACTUALLY largely European by blood. Apparently those areas have a lot of crusader genes from the various crusaders that settled there, which lightened them up. They were probably more Arab looking pre crusades. Thought that was interesting.
Actually probably not more Arabic looking before the Crusades, since they had been part of the Byzantine Empire, the Roman Empire and the different Hellenistic empires. The Arabic conquest of that area was a fairly recent events before the Crusades.
It's always ebbed and flowed genes wise around the Med. But as I understand it there are pretty clear genetic tracers that put the majority of those populations in the same approximate areas as they are now going back thousands of years. For instance, a recent study showed that the Phillistines from the bible were Europeans, not middle eastern, and they figured this out via genes before and after their culture arose in the area. Eventually they bred themselves as a distinct group out and melded into the local population.
Maybe it's more fair to say those peoples were more Semitic looking pre crusades... But that still leaves the areas with heavy crusader gene influx paler, more light eyes, blonde/red hair, etc than the surrounding folks.
Mman, I for one am glad that Reason assigned Robbie to handle these important tasks of debunking propaganda.
Maybe next he can address the claims that back in 2015 Rashida Tlaib was calling for Donald Trump to be deported.
Surely that cannot be true.
Because he fired Omarosa?
"Video of Rep. Ilhan Omar Allegedly Calling for People to 'Be More Fearful of White Men' Is Fake News"
Not only is it *not* fake news, Robby himself seems to be agreeing with it.
This is the *alternative* interpretation he's approvingly suggesting:
but rather, suggesting that if we're going to base our decisions about public safety and surveillance on which racial or ethnic or ideological group causes the most violence, it is hypocritical for conservatives to focus on Muslims and not whites.
How is that now suggesting that we should be more fearful of white men?
Me fear orange man. Orange man have finger on nukes. Other hand make white power sign. Very bad and scary.
Sign?
I'd like to see a billboard.
Just to be sure.
"I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country and so if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of this country, we should be profiling, monitoring, and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men."
This is objectively false. Look at DOJ statistics on homicides and violent crime in general. If you want to put a racial label on those crimes, it is not white men that fit the label.
September 12, 2001?
I see what’s you have done there.
It is a common tactic, such as pointing out gun homicides/mass shootings and suicides dropped after Australia passed it's draconian gun control laws. First, they always start with 1996 but don't mention that the number of mass shootings prior to 1996 approached zero, therefore the data is meaningless. Or that gun homicides were rare before, and most the western world was seeing dropping homicides at the same time. And the start at 1996 on suicides because including prior years just shows the suicide rate was declining prior and this was just a continuation of a previous trend.
You know we've crossed some strange line when a Hamas apologist can't get a fair shake from Al Jazeera.
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I'm a contrary Jew
Though it does me no good
I feel like I should
So I always vote for blue!
Biden says he's my friend
But then said we musn't defend
Our land from Hamas,
Who continue, alas
Their rockets to Israel send
I would say YOUR post is fake news -- the clarification does not change the substance.
Is it sort of like when "some people did something" which, when put in context, was actually worse?
Do you guys seriously take the shortest soundbytes possible spoonfed to you by rightwing assholes on TV and the internet and just settle for that being the end-all of truth? Is it because you can't handle more than a few words at a time?
I've got some real Trump beauties if that's what you want to go with.
Go ahead, because I know there are some real dingers, but you'll stick to insisting who specifically the "fine people" actually were.
None of the "gotcha" quotes are ever any better when in context... They're always just as awful.
Do you think anyone on this planet takes you seriously about anything, you malignant retard?
Marco Rubio -- this week's winner of the James O'Keefe "Video Manipulation for Propaganda" Award.
You came all the way from Vox just to say that?
There have been some numbers bandied about showing it is more likely White Americans are more likely to commit a terrorist attack than is a Muslim American. I took some of those numbers and added in a few additional numbers about the relative proportion of Whites to Muslims in America. Reverse engineering the numbers I find that it is about 19 times more likely any given Muslim in America is a terrorist than any given White American. That's Bayesian.
Math is a bitch, but more reliable than science.
What a maroon. She doesn't understand that terrorism requires swarthy skin, and it implicates all the people with swarthy skin. White people shooting up a place is one individual guy having a bad day.
Actually, someone shooting up a place is almost always some dude losing his nut. Somewhere around 30,000 people are shot and killed in the US each year. The worst year in history for terrorism in the US barely topped 10% of that number - and that was more than a 10-fold increase. So basically none of the killing in this country is done for the purpose of terrorism, a few singular events notwithstanding.
I didn't believe that it could be 30k a year but you're right it is. However, it looks like 2/3 of those are suicides.
https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-america/
Which, to an actual libertarian, are of no consequence.
You are such a cancerous idiotic twat.
You’re the maroon. Terrorism requires swarthy skin? Ever hear of the IRA? Some Irish do have dark hair, but none of them are swarthy.
Oh wait, you meant specifically Islamic terrorism. Ever hear of all of the trouble the Chechens gave Russia? Most Chechens are Slavs, and they’re no swarthier than most Russians.
Terrorism is about ideology, nor race. Idiot.
Yeah no shit.
According to the article, murders for ideological reasons amounted to about 35. The total number of arrests for murder in the US in 2016 was over 9300. The total number of murders was over 15000.
Murder tends to be intra-racial so Omar should worry more about some black gang member than white nationalists since the vast majority of victims of black killers are black. 7800 murders of black people by ordinary killers vs a possible 18 by white nationalists makes it about 400 times more likely that Omar will be murdered by another black person. I doubt that she finds that comforting.
White people are even more likely to kill within their race than blacks so Robby, if you're walking alone at night, keep your eye on that scruffy looking white guy.
If your only fear is fear of being killed by either an Islamic terrorist or a white nationalist then I have good news for you: You are at least four hundred times more likely to be murdered by an ordinary killer than by terrorists or nationalists.
Omar is a racist, a sexist, an anti Semite, and a socialist. The quote represented her views accurately.
And, yes, we should let fear dictate immigration and national security: fear of socialists and racists like her
I'm shaking in my boots.
Of course you're not. That's because you're an ignorant, pampered, entitled American.
People who have actually experienced socialism first hand and whose friends have had to suffer under Islam, however, are rightfully concerned
People who can read are also concerned.
Come on, you can't really be afraid of her. You're just exaggerating to make a point, aren't you?
I think I said clearly enough what I am afraid of: socialism and racism. Omar is an important part of a movement that has adopted those values and that does not shy away from violence.
Its racist. The problem is radical ideologies, not whole races of people.
At first I was like, oh good, Soave will sort this out, but having listened to the full clip, I'm not sure the context really makes it any better. She's still demonizing white men, whether with an actual policy proposal or a hypothetical.
Her comments seem to indicate she is as bad at statistics as she is at economics....
For those who were wondering...
There are a little less than 3 million Muslims in the US, according to several sources, including Pew research. (a couple of outliers have bigger numbers, but they also have an agenda that requires bigger numbers). Only a small percentage of that 3 million are going to be "radical" islamists.
There are not quite 250 million white people in the US. A much, much smaller percentage of those people are going to be white nationalist extremists. The SPLC, prone to greatly exaggerate this threat, lists a couple of dozen "white nationalist" hate groups... and even they decline to put a hard number on the membership. But suffice it to say that they are talking a few thousands, not millions.
Profiling is the use of telltale signs to narrow down a search. So if you were looking for a chocolate chip cookie thief in a preschool, you might put together a profile that includes kids who like cookie and who have chocolate on their face and/or hands. Profiling for people likely to blow up a building or fly a plane into a building would include things like "belongs to a group that espouses politically motivated violence". For Muslims, being from a Muslim nation would be a pretty good indicator, since there are such relatively small numbers of such folks in the US.
Meanwhile, being a member of a violent white nationalist group would also be a good indicator of a likelihood of blowing up a building. Not great, since it hasn't happened all that often. But still. But being from the US would not be a good indicator - since it doesn't narrow it down. Neither does "being white". That covers 77% of the population.
This should give you enough of a clue to figure out why Omar and our Reason author are just plain wrong.
Even nonradical Muslims have political preferences that I don't agree with and that are intended to curtail my liberties.
So someone did to Rep. Omar what the media has been doing to President Trump for years - taking a snippet of his speeches or tweets out of context and weaving a false narrative around it.
Too bad.
Except in this case it really isn't out of context.
The full context only makes the quote marginally less horrible than it was before. Fake news when taken out of context? Yes. Better when considered in context? Only very, very slightly.
The full context only makes the quote marginally less horrible than it was before.
Obligatory.
Coming from a publication that has blatantly misrepresented Trumps "why don't they go try to fix the places they came from" line it's all too ripe.
When did Reason get this stupid? There is no threat from "White Nationalism." Yes, those Mayflower people are a real threat when they go to work everyday and pay taxes.
The USA is under threat from retarded, non-white and white, anti-Nationalists, who don't believe in the nation state. Whether that is libertarian or not is a fair debate. But that is where any violence is going to come from. Not a bunch of law and order types grinding away at a day job and paying too much for utilities because 'global warming.'
If Reason wants to survive it has to clean house and Robbie, you are on the list of people who had their chance and have blown it over and over again.
If all Reason has become is a bunch of sit-down peeing Progressive-lite sissies who are focused on legal weed, but who don't actually smoke it, then it has no purpose.
If it were me running things, I'd stop issuing the magazine for 6 months, fire 90% of the writers, and start over. It is just weak ass take after weak ass take since Trump won.
In other words, Reason, has become Emotion magazine.
This place is a joke. I don't remember getting that impression ever when I was reading here even 5 years ago, let alone 10 or 15 years ago. I guess all the mainstream libertarian organizations have just gone all in on globalist ultra PC nonsense to be trendy and not offend progs... It's quite sad they don't have the balls to write the truth, or write things of real impact anymore.
KMW needs to clean house.
Or maybe she’s part of the problem.
What the Kochtopus wants, the Kochtopus gets.
This article is BULLSHIT.
Black men kill the most people in the USA, not white men. About 50% of murders are committed by black men every year, despite only being 6% of the population...
If we're just talking mass shootings... Blacks are ALSO disproportionately represented in "mass shooting" scenarios compared to whites as per government figures. Middle Eastern Muslims are higher in terms of how likely they are per capita than them though.
You would have to contort the hell out of the facts, and define your types of killings VERY narrowly to ever find that white men commit more murders/mass shootings/whatever. There may be SOME weirdly defined sub category you could find, but I've never seen it in all the reading I've done on the shootings/terrorism stats.
As far as white nationalism... LOLz. Antifa has committed 100x more violence in recent years than ALL right wing groups combined, let alone the minuscule sub set that white nationalists make up.
Omar is a piece of shit. And a liar. What she said IS NOT factually correct on any level. Terrorism is overblown, and we shouldn't give up all our rights to "defeat" it... But the reality is this country would be better off if we didn't have a single Muslim. So would Europe. The more of them we get here, the more crazy shit will happen, and the more people murdered. As I said, Muslims are VASTLY over represented in terms of mass murders compared to any group in the USA.
Unfortunately, since we have a bunch of these people here already we're basically fucked. People don't have the stomach to tell them to GTFO and go home.
Frankly, that's largely the situation with most of the ethno-religious groups we've brought in since 1965... Almost none of them have brought enough to the table to be worth the problems they have made in our society. Crime, general social strife, false complaints about racism, demanding affirmative action, making everybody walk on egg shells, welfare use etc. East Asians and Indians don't bitch much and are economically productive, but they still vote lefty... But they might be a net gain overall... The rest of these assholes are more trouble than they're worth.
Thanks idiot utopians who couldn't see upfront that bringing in people with incompatible views, that are economically useless was going to create problems!
But you need to understand that the white man is still to blame for all that non-white crime. Blacks are only so disproportionately violent because of those years of oppression and shit from the white man!
Get this through your evil little white head: white people are bad, white MEN are even worse, and white men who refuse to feel guilty for merely existing and accept blame for everything are the worst human beings of all and should be eliminated.
If only Yacub, the Crestor of all things, hadn’t made his one awful mistake and created the white man, there would no violence or bad things at all and the entire earth would be a glorious paradise!!
This really does seem to be essentially what a lot of these people believe in their heads... Or at least how they portray themselves publicly. I HAVE to believe a lot more of these people are sane in their own heads. They're just too afraid to say something "controversial" out loud, so they cower to the insane leftists and play along.
God help all these commie idiots if people ever decide to STOP playing along with their retarded games and actually straighten shit out. America could be AMAZING if we actually just did what is in the best interests of the country.
I don't see how the full quote is any better.
Do the stats include hoaxes? I wonder what qualifies as such crimes these days.
Color and tickle me skeptical.
I dunno. The Mexicans I've seen are about as hard-working as anybody. Productive, mostly law-abiding ('cept da yoots, I guess) and they turn into fat, lazy, middle-class assholes just fine.
That said, nations are defined by borders, and we need to be in control of immigration. Reason's turn to shit started with that "It's libertarian to invite all of South American and Mexico into our country! It'll be great!" bullshit, with every third article being contrived apologetics for open borders by that Dalmatian chick. (is she really white with black spots? That would be cool.)
Reason is now as co-opted and ruined as comic books, Star Wars or the MSM. And Sullum, Welch, Gillespie, Doherty and the other Old Guard folks I used to admire must be getting something out of it, but I can't imagine what.
Was that directed at me?
Anyway, my family IS part Mexican. But it's largely been bred out by the "proper" white genes. Anyway, you're simply wrong as per stats.
Hispanics commit crimes at far higher rates than their percentage of the population. They're the 2nd worst group after blacks. This actually RISES in generations after the ones born abroad.
Additionally, they DO NOT come anywhere close to matching any other stats with whites or Asians after even multiple generations. They're basically better than blacks in all stats, and far more dysfunctional than whites/Asians in all stats.
To put it simply, basically the statistically average Mexican is what we would call "white trash" if they were non Hispanic white. They mostly hold jobs, but not very good ones. They do more dumb shit than middle/upper middle class whites would do, and get arrested for it all more too. Out of wedlock births, welfare, etc etc etc. They're white trash, but with a tan.
Granted, this puts them leaps and bounds ahead of ghetto black people... But that shouldn't really be an acceptable bar for anything anyway.
Obviously lots of Hispanics are awesome people. I have had countless Hispanic friends in my life... But the numbers tell the story... It just happens to be one that white people don't like to hear, because it means an entire category of people are essentially fucking the world up. So, since progs can't cope with that, they just lie and ignore facts they don't like!
Here, hold my tequila!!
Omar already lacks credibility for her fake yet dramatic sob story about a poor shoplifter who was imprisoned for stealing a loaf of bread. The state of Minnesota then said that it does not imprison shoplifters, but gives them community service. Throughout history, socialists have lied in order to obtain power and wealth. Like the sirens in Greek mythology, socialists lure people to their death with false promises and take all the wealth they stole from society for themselves and close associates. They are the most despicable and disgusting people on earth, and if they take control, my freedom and standard of living will be gone.
Omar apparently saw Les Miserables, and thought it was historically accurate.
If I understand correctly, the words being put in Omar's mouth are "we should fear white men."
But the article points out, what she is actually saying is, "If you commit the base rate fallacy, then you would fear white men not Muslims."
Well, OK. So either she is a racist, she is stupid, or she is hoping we are stupid. I'm actually betting on the third one, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were all three.
Pretty sure both parties agree that fear is the driving force behind politics, so the condition is filled and the conservative criticism stands.
"Omar was not endorsing the creation of a state apparatus to surveil white people, but rather, suggesting that if we're going to base our decisions about public safety and surveillance on which racial or ethnic or ideological group causes the most violence, it is hypocritical for conservatives to focus on Muslims and not whites."
Just like how she spends all of her time trying to ban cars instead of guns, since cars kill DRAMATICALLY more people every single year.
Mmm I think they're both around 30,000 but most of the gun deaths are suicides.
From what I've seen the auto related deaths are about 40,000.
Some car deaths (single vehicle esp.) are also suicides.
"A 2017 report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office on terrorist violence from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016 found that while slightly more people have been killed by Muslim extremists than by their right-wing counterparts, right-wing extremists were responsible for three times as many violent acts."
Since whites and Christians are about 70% of the US population, while Muslims are less than 1%, that means that Muslims are still wildly over-represented in terror statistics.
And they are more efficient. More dead per violent act.
Good or bad data interpretation is irrelevant: An elected official is telling the American people to fear a group of people identified solely by skin color. How is that an acceptable statement?
Because she's a prog.
Seriously, that is the only reason.
Because white people are singularly evil. Before white men came along the entire rest of the world lived in peace in a utopian state! Then whitey ruined it all by inventing slavery, war, racism, etc. Didn't you know this???
Well, it's either that or that white people invented almost every single invention that pulled the entire world out of poverty, brought superior forms of government to much of the world, ended the global slave trade, etc...
But progs don't like the real version of history.
But progs don’t like the real version of history.
She's a racist. You know it, I know it.
Look at the sad little snowflake always crying racism.
Look at the retarded Okie doofus still trying to convince himself he's ever had a profound thought about anything.
I will never look at this paper the same. I thought that this site didn't capitulate to the left like everyone else. I understand the context fully and you know and I know that if the word "white" was replaced with any other color, there wouldn't be one article on the internet talking about the ****ing context. This paper is really going to defend someone making such a clearly racist statement?
Principals, not principles + OrangeManBad = Reason defending the indefensible.
I'm trying to think of Steve Bannon or someone like that brushing off a question about white extremist violence by saying that if we're going to monitor anyone, it should be those black people and immigrants!
Yeah, viewed in context such a hypothetical remark would be totally noncontroversial.
The difference is if Steve Bannon said it that way, HE'D BE RIGHT. Omar is WRONG on all counts. Blacks and immigrants (depending on the type) DO commit more crimes.
That's a BIG difference. One is offensive to some and wrong, the other is offensive to some and correct.
Like most of the Omar controversies, taking great offense requires uncharitable interpretation of what was said. The fact underpinning the conversation is about how the right seems to see her as an emissary of Al-Qaeda and as a Muslim is seen as inherently suspect in public life. Fear of Muslims, to the extent it would be legitimate, is based on their high-profile terrorist attacks in the US.
She rightly points out that for quite a long time now, Muslims have not been the largest perpetrators of terrorism in the US. Of course 9/11 was an event of great historical, moral, and statistical significance, but at some point we may have to acknowledge that the threat vectors are evolving over the course of nearly 20 years. Given this, if the fear were rational, white men would be a better target for anti-terrorism efforts today given the success of past efforts to fight Jihadist terrorism. Of course there are many more white men than Muslims, so the base rates are very different on a per-person basis, but this is actually a fact of dubious usefulness. A small change in the base rate of terrorism among white people will be far more consequential given their number
Much of the discussion in the comments is focused on the part of her statement about "the deaths in this country" which is not explicitly qualified to terrorism deaths (and would be inaccurate in the larger context of non-terrorism murders), but it's obvious that the discussion is about terrorism.
And the big picture takeaway is not that indeed you should be fearful of all the specific white men you see in your daily life, but that the rational basis for the highly suspicious and often hostile treatment of Muslims is both thin and not consistently applied to others.
That's BS.
When 1% of the population is committing half the terrorism, it is reasonable AND, importantly, possible to give them extra scrutiny. When 60% of the population is committing less than half of terrorism, it's basically a lost cause to do anything other than generally monitor criminal/sketchy behavior.
Looking at the interview, she says Trump's a racist, but her fellow Minnesotans who voted for Trump were not racists, just dupes anxious about the economy.
The interviewer speaks of an explosion of anti-Muslim hate incidents.
He actually puts verbal quote remarks around jihadist terrorism.
Then the interviewer mentions young Somali Americans in Minnesota going to fight in the Middle East (and not for America), and she pivots to blaming U. S. foreign policy and anti-Muslim rhetoric.
Agrees with interviewer that there's divisive rhetoric in Muslim community, too! So there's that.
Then interviewer asks if she's the anti-Trump. She talks about the American Dream - her election shows that women and people of color have opportunities!
"Then the interviewer mentions young Somali Americans in Minnesota going to fight in the Middle East (and not for America), and she pivots to blaming U. S. foreign policy and anti-Muslim rhetoric.
Agrees with interviewer that there’s divisive rhetoric in Muslim community, too! So there’s that."
Almost like we haven't been assured...for almost two decades now...that Islam is a "religion of peace".
Quote: "... white nationalists have in recent years been responsible for more violent acts than radical Muslims ..."
Worldwide? Just in California? Except for what the FBI data records?
Does "recent years" consider September 11, 2001? Do you consider ALL violent crime done by muslims was done by radicals? Do you consider ALL violent white crime was done by nationalists?
What a BS story.
"I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths"
What she said still is textbook racism. She equates white men with white supremacy. Also, whites represent more than 70% of the population while Muslims only represent 1%. So her conclusion is factually very wrong.
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Half-educated conservative bigots and superstitious Republican slack-jaws are my favorite faux libertarians and culture war casualties.
But not for long . . . because they are to be replaced, by their betters, soon enough.
Until then . . . carry on, clingers!
I prefer bwana.
I know this woman who is looking for a new relationship, can you meet her at a Cambridge bookstore sometime?
Half educated virtue signalers and grievance miners are my favorite faux intellectuals and irrelevant whiners about a culture war that nobody cares about.
But not for long........ pathetic old self loathing hippies are throwing out their shoulders en masse from patting themselves on the back and pretending to be anybody’s “betters”.
Haha. What a doosh.
A truly great TROLL, arrogant, ignorant, and 100% sure of what little he thinks he knows.
"Replaced by their betters" sound a bit fascist....is not this Hitlers philosophy? Who will be doing the replacing?? Do you want a king , a despot or a dictator to rule your idea of paradise??
Why do you bother???
Blow your brains out, retard.
Is it possible Rev to ask you an honest question without you resorting to ad hominems and tropes? I'll try. Why do you think the elimination of conservative ideals (don't resort to simplistically labeling conservatives as evil racists etc) is a desirable outcome?
The Rev is much like the closet gay republicans that are always speaking poorly of gays to hide the fact they are gay.
I bet she would find him stunningly attractive.
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