Mueller Investigation

Robert Mueller's Testimony Convinced Everyone of Exactly What They Already Believed

The former special counsel's abridged answers to lawmakers' questions changed few minds.

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Few surprises emerged from former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's testimony before the House Judiciary and Intelligence committees today, with the combined five hours of hearings proving to be one big exercise in confirmation bias.

Democrats used their questioning of Mueller to highlight his investigation's discovery of wrongdoing by associates of President Donald Trump. Republicans did their best to emphasize inconsistencies in Mueller's statements and cast doubt on the competency and integrity of the former FBI director and his investigative team.

Mueller largely gave short, perfunctory "yes" or "no" answers to the questions posed to him. And that's when he chose to answer questions at all. Mueller repeatedly told the representatives quizzing him that their queries were outside his purview, touched on ongoing investigations, or had already been answered in his report.

Judging by the reaction on Twitter, it was a very disappointing performance:

The one possible bombshell today came from an exchange in the Judiciary Committee hearing between Mueller and Rep. Ted Lieu (D–Calif.). Mueller had answered yes when asked by Lieu if he declined to indict Trump because of an existing Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) opinion stating that a sitting president couldn't be charged with a crime.

This answer briefly confirmed the notion that Mueller had found evidence of illegal activity committed by the president and was only prevented from indicting him by Justice Department policy.

However, Mueller walked back this answer in his afternoon testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, saying that that OLC opinion prevented him from making any determination, period, of Trump's culpability in obstructing justice.

"What I wanted to clarify is that we did not make any determination in regard to culpability," said Mueller in response to a question from Rep. John Ratcliffe (R–Texas).  "We did not start that process."

These flat or confused responses from Mueller left the elected officials questioning him to do little more than grandstand.

This generally worked to Republicans' advantage, as their accusations of bias and prosecutorial overreach were met with mild pushback from the Mueller. Democrats' attempts to get Mueller to state for the cameras all the bad things his report uncovered went over poorly.

In this way, Mueller's testimony landed in the same way so many scandals and revelations about the Trump administration have, with Democrats just as incensed as ever, and Republicans spinning a narrative of a conspiracy against the president.

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  1. The propaganda pumps, i.e., the Wash. Post, N. Y. Times, NPR, et. al are now officially in mourning.

    1. You can add reason if you’ve been following their articles. Really hope amash doubles down on twitter for his impeachment charges. Reason is lacking Amash fanboy articles lately.

      1. It’s so weird how they tried to impeach, again, failed utterly when voted on, again, and then just got right back to talking about impeachment as if it hadn’t just flamed out spectacularly, again.

        1. Exactly. And you know something about flaming out spectacularly!

          1. Yeah, I watched you do it when you stupidly outed yourself SQRLSY.

            1. Bwahahahahahaha……here’s a cheap plastic flute for you and shitlord to play with when you get tired of giving each other flaming eggrolls. Hahahahah. You’re welcome fucko 🙂

              1. And, I win again.

                1. Yep, you’re a winner.

                  1. ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE: This thread is a steaming pile of Tulpashit. Tulppoopster, Shitlord AKA Horatio S and his/her compadres/socks can’t stop talking about Pedophilia long enough for anybody to have a conversation so save yourself. This warning holds for all new articles posted at reason.com indefinitely. You have been warned!

                    1. So, you’ve finally given up on pretending you’re not SQRLSY.

                    2. I believe I had that.

                    3. …and you’re the only one. Must not be easy winning so hard every day.

                    4. You make it extremely easy SQRLSY

                    5. You’re welcome, Shithead AKA Horatio.

                    6. Ahahahah no dumbass, just no.

                      But your butthurt for being outed is awesome SQRLSY!!!

                    7. Looks like I’m winning now…..Hahahahahahahaha.

                    8. No, you’re just hallucinating because your meds aren’t working.

                    9. For sure you know something about that…..might be the only subject in which you are credible.

                    10. Your meds? Yes I’ve seen you off them plenty, agreed.

                    11. Hahaha ha I’m raping you hahahahahaj

                    12. OH noes! I’m Tulpa’s Bitch again. Damn…I guess it’s true….all you do is win win win! Congrats.

                    13. Looks like the shot they gave you is kicking in.

                      “Mcgoo95
                      July.24.2019 at 7:18 pm
                      OH noes! I’m Tulpa’s Bitch”

                      And you’re SQRLSY too.

                      I win more.

                    14. Congrats, here’s your turd encrusted crown. Wear it proudly. For sure, it’s your life’s greatest achievement!

        2. Nah, the previous impeachment vote was on whether he should be impeached for being racist. One of the members decided to force a vote on that against Nancy’s wishes.

    2. Good, their pain is pleasing to me. They deserve endless suffering.

      1. I listen to NPR and they’re pretty fair re Trump. Many NPR listeners think they’re pro-Trump.

        1. Wha?

          I’m subjected to NPR every morning (because the wife), and I’ve never heard the slightest hint that they’re not a standard-issue lefty news outlet.

          1. Yeah – I did a double-take on that one, too.

            I used to listen to NPR, but I stopped exactly because the coverage of Trump was so aggressively dishonest.

            Yes their tone is more civilized and authoritative, but they’re as in the bag for the Democrats as MSNBC.

            1. They spew Trump hate, but they do it in a quiet and civilized hushed tone.

        2. NPR is a Lefty propaganda outlet.

          Any doubt of that and try to cut its federal funding. Lefties come out of the woodwork.

    3. Even Anti-Trump, progressive Harvard law prof Lawrence Tribe thinks the Mueller hearing was a disaster for the democrats.

      1. The Nation mag thinks so too.

    4. “The propaganda pumps, i.e., the Wash. Post, N. Y. Times, NPR, et. al are now officially in mourning.”

      So what? There’s always FreeRepublic, Breitbart, Instapundit, Gateway Pundit, Stormfront, and RedState to keep the modern conservative informed.

      1. “So what? There’s always FreeRepublic, Breitbart, Instapundit, Gateway Pundit, Stormfront, and RedState to keep the modern conservative informed.”

        Asshole bigot has found some sources as bad as CNN, NBC, NPR, the Post and the Times and is very proud of himself.

      2. So you are comparing companies that admit they tailor their messages to a conservative bent to excuse the partisanship of news stations that claim to be non-partisan?

        1. Of course he is.

    5. Isn’t keeping an old senile man hostage, locked away so no one can see his condition, so he can sign over his pension checks to you a crime?

      Isn’t that what the Democrats have been doing to Bob Mueller?

  2. What I wanted to clarify is that we did not make any determination in regard to culpability,” said Mueller in response to a question from Rep. John Ratcliffe (R–Texas). “We did not start that process.”

    In other words we chose not to do our job of making a determination so the political parties can continue to make a circus of our government for their own political gains. BTW if he had found anything indictable he absolutely would have made a point of saying such, no body like doing a job that has no closure

    1. This nigga and his team indicted people for unrelated process crimes, and he’s seriously arguing that they weren’t going to determine whether collusion or even obstruction took place, nor make any recommendations? Sounds like a blatant admission that these people were just trying to collect a paycheck to fuck around for an indeterminate period of time.

      1. They all need to burn.

      2. Here is a curious tidbit: When Horse-Face Mueller looked into Manafort’s crimes in the Ukraine, he found out that HildaBeast’s campaign & the DNC colluded with the Ukrainian Govt to get dirt on Trump…..Did he pursue that?…..Of course not!!…Herr Mueller is a disgusting, corrupt, loooooong time DEEP STATE/DC SWAMP CRITTER & should be hung by his balls like all the others who tried to get Da Witch elected & then tried to foment a coup of a duly elected US Prez!

        https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435029-as-russia-collusion-fades-ukrainian-plot-to-help-clinton-emerges

  3. “Robert Mueller’s Testimony Convinced Everyone of Exactly What They Already Believed.”

    This is true.
    Most people believed Mueller was as crazy as your Aunt Emma in the asylum.
    I’ve never seen anyone on TV, in a sit-com, who stuttered and looked as dazed and confused as Mueller did today.
    What a pathetic showing.
    No wonder he had an aide.
    The aide probably has to hold Mueller’s dick when he urinates.

    1. He reminded me of Vincent Gigante, the mafia don who pretended to be senile to avoid prosecution.

      http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5gqpzk/the-strange-saga-of-the-odd-father-the-mob-boss-who-faked-mental-illness

      1. The Chin!

        Also, Mueller is probably senile, which is worse than any punishment I could wish on him.

        1. I can think of a few things……..

          1. I bet you can, mistress Shitty!

            1. Fuck off SQRLSY.

              1. Oh how cute…..you’ve come to rescue your boyfriend/sock. It’s a sick dance that goes through you mind.

                1. I’m sorry you’re upset that I outed your sock SQRLSY.

                  1. It’s okay. I forgive you.

                    1. Your unhinged ranting says otherwise SQRLSY.

                    2. So, what’s the point of running that blown sock SQRLSY.

                    3. Hahahahahahaha…still winning.

                    4. No seriously why are you still losing by running that blown sock SQRLSY?

                    5. …but it is a good question.

                    6. So? Let it go. I win. No shame in admitting it.

                    7. You always win Tulpoopster. It’s what you do….when you don’t have your hand up Shitlords ass, making his mouth move (or type).

                    8. Man you’re really upset about this SQRLSY.

                    9. Not sure I’ve ever won this hard! It’s awesome…..but I guess you feel like this every day?

                    10. Ummm…..I liked your other name better. You know, the one I gave you.

                    11. Oh wow you’re still crying SQRLSY.

                    12. ….although I guess I gave you this one too.

                    13. I’m crying from WINNING SO HARD! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

                    14. If it’s any consolation you’re responsible for this one too!!!

                    15. I know……see two posts above. I WIN AGAIN!@

                    16. Wow, losing has made you even more unhinged.

                    17. No one cares what your high school nickname was SQRLSY.

                    18. Now you’re just speaking gibberish….

                    19. Based on all your posts SQRLSY that shouldn’t be a problem for you ahahahaj
                      Raping you ahahaahhhah

                    20. You’re sick, no doubt.

            2. McJizz, when have I EVER needed a sock to smack your bitch ass down? It’s just that everyone here hates you and wishes you would die in screaming agony.

              1. ……..which is how I know I’M WINNING! Thanks for the validation Tulpa/Shitdick.

                1. No moron, it doesn’t. But then, you ARE quite the stupid fuck.

                  Die.

                  1. Done! Now we dance, Shithead.

      2. Only he forgot his bathrobe!

    2. Actually, I was going to take that as evidence of the exact opposite. up until today, everyone has been touting this guy as the greatest mind is in the history of the FBI.

      it’s not for the representatives who were interviewing him, he would have come off as the biggest idiot in the room. Luckily, that room full of clowns saved him from that fate.

      1. My liberal friends assure me his health has declined and that he was right on top of the investigation.

        1. The useful idiot isn’t useful anymore, so to the political gulag he goes.

          1. Comey who?

            Mueller who?

      2. Anybody who followed anthrax case or Enron knew this guy was an immoral piece of shit already.

        1. +1000

        2. Ted Stevens prosecution. The judge stated it was the worst case of prosecutorial misconduct he ever witnessed.

          https://thefederalist.com/2018/04/19/revealed-robert-muellers-fbi-repeatedly-abused-prosecutorial-discretion/

          1. Let’s not forget the Whitey Bulger case, that cost four, innocent guys decades in jail and the taxpayers millions of dollars.

      3. It should be pretty obvious by now that Mueller’s a doddering old man with a now-ruined reputation, and that he was appointed merely as a figurehead who wouldn’t rock the boat while his Trump-hating, partisan Democrat staff spent two years and $30 million on the legal equivalent of a snipe hunt.

        1. They wanted a Republican. It’s not like they had their choice among a bunch of properly educated, experienced, and talented candidates.

          1. “They wanted a Republican. It’s not like they had their choice among a bunch of properly educated, experienced, and talented candidates.

            Assshole bigot here is proud they found a D every bit as horrible as his bogus claims regarding the Rs.

          2. That certainly says a lot about how incompetent his Democratic staff was, you slack-jawed, dirt-munching hicklib.

          3. Mueller aint a Republican.

            1. He’s a Republican just like Jessica Yaniv is a woman.

    3. Apparently he even flubbed which president appointed him as US att for Massachusetts.

  4. @RepArmstrongND. “When did you learn one of your top attorneys, Andrew Weissmann, attended Hillary Clinton’s 2016 election night party?”

    Mueller: “I’m not sure.”

    Armstrong: “Isn’t that a conflict of interest?”

    Mueller: “I’m not going to answer that.”

    Damn

    1. If that’s problemic then how do you account for Barr. He’s in Trump’s cabinet and on his payroll and he’s deciding whether the evidence against Trump is sufficient to indict.

      1. The two aren’t related, you exceptional idiot.

        1. Of course it’s related. The Republican claim is that someone who attended a Clinton event is disqualified from investigating a matter that is only tangentially related to Clinton. If that’s true then Barr is even more conflicted because he works for the guy under investigation.

          1. Well, considering Mueller’s staff was loaded to the brim with partisan Democrats, and he was going to have the lawyer for the guy who wiped Hillary’s server sitting by his side in the hearing until the Republicans shot it down, you might want to be careful with your analogies there, dumbass.

          2. No. It’s like the Attorney General being a big supporter and recusing themselves.

            Oh wait, that’s what Sessions did.

            (And ew, you made me say something nice about Jeff Sessions.)

      2. So your argument is the DoJ shouldn’t be an executive office. You sound… well not sound… you’re pretty fucking stupid.

        1. I’m saying Barr is more conflicted than Wiseman.

          1. And we’re saying you got banned for posting kiddie porn, Shreek, and should have some fucking decency for once and stay that way.

          2. Barr went to a trump victory party? Thank god he wasnt appointed as special prosecutor. You know the regulation set up when the DoJ has a conflict of interest in an investigation?

            God you’re fucking stupid.

        2. Lawyers don’t want to represent guilty people and Trump is guilty. QED.

          /sarc?

      3. As the old adage goes: ‘Elections have consequences”

      4. Wouldn’t anyone in Barr’s position be in the cabinet and on the payroll? Are you suggesting that this president shouldn’t have an AG just because you don’t like his decisions?

        1. No, he’s only saying that this president’s AG shouldn’t have any say in whether to devote DOJ resources to trying to find a ground on which this administration can be decapitated through criminal prosecution. The (just coincidentally, largely Democratic) career staffers should make that decision all by themselves.

      5. Idiot.
        Barr did not conduct the investigation and there is zero accusations that he interfered with the investigation after he was appointed.
        Supposedly, Mueller wrote his own report, though considering how bad his memory was of the information in the report it is looking likely he did not write it or has even read it himself
        Do you really believe that if Mueller had found anything on Trump it would not have been leaked a long time ago. Weissman and his cabal of disgusting partisans would have absolutely run straight to CNN or MSNBC with any damning information
        It was a partisan witch hunt from start to finish and personally speaking, I think Mueller and his team should be held accountable to the American tax payer for every dollar spent after Mueller had already established there was no evidence of collusion. Every dollar should be paid back and part 2 of the report should be ripped up and thrown away.

  5. Robert Mueller’s Testimony Convinced Everyone of Exactly What They Already Believed

    So I am the most handsome. I thought so.

  6. It’s just so obvious what happened. Mueller found evidence to support an indictment but can’t say it because of DOJ policy. This evidence will be presented to a grand jury in 2021, assuming Trump loses, and the normal course will take over. If Trump wins in 2020 then the statute of limitations would preclude prosecution. We need new laws to extend prescription to account for the DOJ policy unless you prefer presidents being above the law.

    1. It is just so obvious you are disgusting pervert who won’t go away despite being banned. Shut the fuck up shreek. No one cares.

      1. You are fucked up in the head. I can’t believe you work for the govt.

        1. No, you Shreek.

        2. Haha. That’s telling. He disagrees with you, so how the hell?……….,

    2. No, what’s obvious is that shriek needs to get off the meth and stop whacking it to kiddie porn.

    3. Is you’re hope that repeating stupid things over and over will eventually work?

      1. Your. Fucking autocorrect.

    4. This sound like the ravings of an insane person.

      1. And he’s a pedophile.

        1. That is actionable libel, you insane cousinfucking meth head.

          1. Oh really? To whom was I referring Tones?

            Womp Womp. Failed again.

            1. I don’t know. You accuse many people of being pedophiles. It’s almost like you’re obsessed with kid fucking or something.

              1. Shorter Tony “I was wrong”

                1. You said “he’s a pedophile.”

                  1. And you said he was a cousin fucking methhead. Do you have anything intelligent at all in this thread? Go home, you’re drunk.

                    1. Well you tell me what drugs he’s on.

                      I’m giving him a compliment by assuming he’s getting any ass at all.

                    2. No, you’re furiously backpedaling because you look stupid.

                    3. Pro tip. dont stupidly scream libel while committing libel.

                    4. That was the joke you retarded tit.

                    5. So now prove tulpa wasn’t. Do you see the idiocy of your comment yet?

                    6. I don’t know what Tulpa does with children. I suspect he’s too gross to get them in his van.

                    7. Tony is never going to fuck you SQRLSY. Unless you have five dollars. Then he’ll fuck you twice.

                    8. Seeing you so butthurt is better than the 5 dollar hand job Shitlord gave you an hour ago.

                  2. Tony, we accuse exactly two people of being pedophiles, Chemjeff, and Buttplug. Chemjeff expressed desire to allow child rapists from foreign countries to come here at Will, and Buttplug posted links and instructions to access kiddie porn on the dark web. You may be confused because Buttplug uses multiple socks here, but it’s all him.

                    1. We were all here for that you retarded fuckwit. You take everything out of context and process it through the mush you call your brain and use it to label people as you want. You’re a vapid fucking idiot like Tulpa and a half dozen others here and bring precisely nothing interesting nor useful to the table……but you sure are tough!

                    2. No cunt, I’m exactly right.

                      Now go kill yourself.

                    3. That was so convincing that I actually ate a bullet for you 🙁 On the bright side, I now get to haunt you for eternity! Get ready, you dim-witted donkey-fucker, this is gonna be fun!

              2. Someone who constantly brings up cousin-fucking should hardly be accusing others of projected deviancy.

                1. …but pedophilia is okay, right? This place is a dump.

                  1. No SQRLSY, what part of the disgust do you not get retard?

                  2. What, you’re upset that shriek constantly gets dunked on for posting kiddie porn links that got his ass banned? Says quite a bit about you.

                    1. It’s boring and played. If he really got banned, why is he still here? Just to give to you fuckwits something to yammer about I spose. This place has turned into a retard party.

                    2. He created a new account, you idiot. That’s why his handle is slightly different than before. Hihn does the same shit, and he got banned too, albeit for different reasons.

                      Also, is there a point where some time passes and child rape is suddenly cool with you?

                    3. All I had to do is mention the word ‘retard’ and you show up. Weird

      2. Because you drank the koolaid.

    5. Even if Trump ought to be indicted that’s no guarantee he will be. Heck, Hillary ought to have been indicted over her mishandling of classified information but I knew she never would be.

      I don’t know if, behind the scenes, all of these elite fucks are one big happy club, or if they’ve all just got so much dirt on each other that it’s too dangerous to take it to court. Either way, they do seem to go out of their way to avoid visiting real consequences on each other.

      1. I don’t know if, behind the scenes, all of these elite fucks are one big happy club, or if they’ve all just got so much dirt on each other that it’s too dangerous to take it to court.

        It can’t be a morass of nepotism, blackmail, stupidity, incapacity, and ineptitude? Because it looks like a morass of nepotism, blackmail, stupidity, incapacity, and ineptitude to me.

    6. “Mueller found evidence to support an indictment but can’t say it because of DOJ policy.”

      That’s the same reason I believe in UFOs; the lack of evidence is proof the government is covering it up.

    7. LOL!!!! Yeah sure….When Ken Starr issued his report on HornDawg Bill Clinton, he used the word guilty 11 times & there was no ambiguity at all….Starr recently said they told me to give a report & I did…Even if you supposedly cannot indict, you can still make a solid determination one way or the other….BTW: The DOJ indict crap are just GUIDELINES, they aren’t law & a prosecutor does not have to follow it!

    8. You are quite possibly one of the most retarded motherfuckers that post here. You’re like reddit levels of idiocy.

    9. Found evidence to support an indictment for what?
      Unless Trump was the ONLY one, who committed crimes, then others, who weren’t protected by “DOJ policy”, would have been indicted. Yet the only ones surrounding Trump, that were indicted, were for process crimes, or ones unrelated to the claimed crimes, and not a single one for the vaunted “collusion” or “obstruction of justice”.
      If no one around him was indicted for “collusion” or “obstruction of justice”, by a prosecutor who was not shy about bringing charges, then it is the logical conclusion that Trump didn’t commit these crimes, either.

  7. “In this way, Mueller’s testimony landed in the same way so many scandals and revelations about the Trump administration have, with Democrats just as incensed as ever, and Republicans spinning a narrative of a conspiracy against the president.”

    I agree with this assessment. It’s honestly pathetic to witness the way the Republican Party has embraced ludicrous conspiracy theories for the past 2.5 years.

    1. Nice.
      Understated OBL is sometimes the best OBL

  8. At least this article is slightly less embarrassing than the last one.

  9. An entirely predictable result.

  10. Cynical enough to note that it wasn’t blockbuster TV but not cynical enough to finish the sentence: “Mueller’s testimony convinced everyone of exactly what they already believe because FOX News is Republican party propaganda that can convince its viewers that the moon is made of lemurs if it wanted.”

    1. Fox News will never fuck you.

      1. I’m not into big tits and small brains.

        1. As a pro bottom you probably aren’t into much, it’s all into you.

          1. I suppose you think calling someone a bottom is some kind of insult?

            1. No Tony, I am well aware that no amount of sexual, deviancy will insult you. No, I was admiring your prowess as a professional cum dumpster. Take the compliment.

              1. Why thank you. But I’m sure you say the same thing to your Build-a-Bear.

                1. “Build-a-Bear”

                  Your mother revealed her working name to you? Eeesh….

            2. Tony, anything other than taking the loads of random guys at a bath house is too high brow for you.

          2. “As a pro bottom you probably aren’t into much, it’s all into you.”

            It’s ‘power bottom’ dumbfuck…..It’s a good thing you are no longer ‘supergay for superpay’….you wouldn’t even make your nut.

            1. Yeah, I’m sure you know all about being a power bottom, don’t you swishbuckler?

    2. “Mueller’s testimony convinced everyone of exactly what they already believe because FOX News is Republican party propaganda that can convince its viewers that the moon is made of lemurs if it wanted.”

      Close.

      It’s “Mueller’s testimony convinced everyone of exactly what they already believe because partisans will happily believe that the moon is made of lemurs if their chosen propaganda outlet tells them so.”

      1. Both sidesism does not become an intelligent person.

        1. I disagree. People who see everything in terms of “two sides” are simply not participating in reality. Especially when that view entails “one side Right, other side Evil.”

          1. Two points:

            There are two sides in the context of American politics. It’s structural. I don’t like it, but that’s the way it is.

            Another thing I don’t like is that one of these sides is, in fact, evil, as I define it. I didn’t make it that way, it just happens to be so.

            They’re evil because they deny scientific fact that is inconvenient to their lobbyists. On that subject, they’re evil because they run on promises of draining the swamp while filling the cabinet with lobbyists. They’re evil because they steal from the poor to give to the rich, also based on philosophy and rhetoric so flimsy it could be Tulpa’s dick.

            Mostly it’s how they don’t care about how much harm they do to human beings as long as they get to appoint judges who will force women to give birth against their will.

            Again, I didn’t make things this way. Things just are this way.

            1. Again, everything you wrote is fucking wrong.

              At least you’re consistent.

            2. There are two sides in the context of American politics.

              No. There are two coalition parties that dominate politics. That doesn’t have anything to do with how many “sides” there are. There can be, and are, thousands of “sides,” sorted into two coalitions whose only characteristics are opposition to one another.

              Another thing I don’t like is that one of these sides is, in fact, evil, as I define it.

              I understand that. You’re not participating in a discussion about reality. You are participating in a fantasy about metaphysics.

              They’re evil because they deny scientific fact that is inconvenient to their lobbyists.

              Like that GMO’s are harmless? Or that global warming isn’t causing more extreme weather events?

              they run on promises of draining the swamp while filling the cabinet with lobbyists

              So – is the distinction here that the Democrats don’t even claim to want to drain the swamp?

              They’re evil because they steal from the poor to give to the rich

              Like making poor people subsidize education for rich people? Or ignoring sexual assault on poor, uneducated women of color in favor of making a national crisis out of relatively rarer sexual assault against upper middle class college educated white women? Or because they want to put anyone whose labor is worth less than $20/hour out of a job?

              Mostly it’s how they don’t care about how much harm they do to human beings as long as they get to appoint judges who will force women to give birth against their will.

              What do you even mean by any of that?

              Stop and contemplate that the world may not be sorted into simple binary categories of Good and Evil.

              1. I’m trying to tell you that despite the fact that I don’t believe the world isn’t as simple as good vs. evil (and why don’t you lecture at some of the assholes here about that?–I’m not the deontologist in this room), the Republican party, insofar as evil can be attributed to anyone, is one of the most evil institutions on planet earth. The lying and bad faith and terrible policies would be enough, but it suffices to me that they deny scientific fact because they’d rather let the planet burn than admit that the oil propaganda they unquestionably took down their throats might have been not entirely above board.

                Get them to accept that climate science isn’t a hoax and I’ll reconsider their other stupid-ass evil proposals. I promise.

                Jesus fuck, why do I have to come here and be bombarded with Republican cocksucking losers? Where are the goddamn libertarians?

                1. Denying science because it doesn’t meet the criteria? Such as opposing nuclear power to combat climate change? Pushing organic foods which are demonstrably worse for the environment? Anti-GMOs, ehich, paired with their organic movement and grass fed beef, which increases carbon emissions per pound of food grown?

                  1. Tony and his ilk need to leave America. There is no reasoning with them. No more debate, just kick them out.

                2. why don’t you lecture at some of the assholes here about that?

                  I do. That’s why the thing I get accused of more than anything is “bothsidesism.” If I only ever attacked one side, that wouldn’t really happen, now, would it?

                  “I don’t believe the world isn’t as simple as good vs. evil” BUT “the Republican party, insofar as evil can be attributed to anyone, is one of the most evil institutions on planet earth.”

                  You know what they say about everything before the “but,” right?

                  Get them to accept that climate science isn’t a hoax

                  I’ll ask you this for the millionth time: what part of the science, specifically, are you accusing Republicans-as-a-whole of not accepting?

                  Because the only thing you’ve ever done is point out that they don’t agree with Democrat-originated plans claiming to address global warming, which is not the same as “denying climate science.”

                  In fact, you’ve never shown the slightest understanding of climate science, as eager as you are to repeat left wing propaganda about it.

                  So, pot, do you really need to be re-introduced to all the kettles you clash with every day?

                  1. Tony thinks climate alarmism is the science. He doesn’t actually know anything about physics apparently and can’t cite an actual fact of science around climate. His biggest claim to fame is quoting Cook’s 95% consensus, or maybe Oresky’s 97%, even both have been widely debunked and easily falsifiable if you read their actual reports and how much they had to pare down the data (and misrepresent it!) in order to reach those numbers.

                    Tony is a resident dumbass.

                    1. His biggest claim to fame is quoting Cook’s 95% consensus, or maybe Oresky’s 97%

                      And he doesn’t even seem to understand what those say. It’s generally some variation of “well, I’ll just go with what I’m told most scientists think.”

            3. “They’re evil because they deny scientific fact that is inconvenient to their lobbyists. ”

              Do you mean the scientific fact that people born with cocks are male, no matter how they feel?

    3. ITT: Tony admits that the DNC led media are fucking idiot hacks that listen to Fox News.

      1. +100

  11. Mueller’s testimony:

    Members of the Trump campaign sought campaign help from Russia.

    Trump himself obstructed justice multiple times and would be in prison if he weren’t president.

    FOX spin: Mueller is old, and anyway they like guys who didn’t serve in Vietnam. Bone spurs is real, guys!

    My take: Republicans sure do have some fucking low standards for president these days. I remember when you couldn’t even so much as lie about a BJ.

    1. You can lie about a bj you just probably shouldn’t do it under oath when there is a ton of evidence to the contrary.

      1. Trump lied about treason under oath.

        1. “Trump lied about treason under oath.”

          Shitbag here does not know the definition of “treason”, and yet accuses someone of lying about it.

    2. My take: Republicans sure do have some fucking low standards for president these days. I remember when you couldn’t even so much as lie about a BJ.

      You see many of *those* Republicans around today? You wanna know a big reason why you don’t see many of those republicans around today?

      But it’s good to know that you don’t really care if the president perjures himself as long as the right people let him get away with it.

    3. Good news Tony, all your tears will make for great lubricant.

      1. Do you seriously think there was any way that FOX News wasn’t going to characterize these hearings as anything but a loss for Democrats?

        Did you watch even a minute of them?

        1. Did you? Even the other idiotic lefties are decrying how bad this went for the narrative.

          1. I watched most of it.

            But keep on using up space on a libertarian website doing pathetic butt work for a corrupt, orange Republican. Sometimes I feel like you don’t even notice you’re doing that.

            1. ” pathetic butt work”

              “Tony
              July.24.2019 at 4:36 pm
              I suppose you think calling someone a bottom is some kind of insult?”

              Ahahahahahhahahaahahahahah

              AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

            2. Democrats are far more authoritarian. I care more about policy actions than temperament. I prefer a step towards liberty over someone’s hurt feelings. I also am disgusted by abuse of power especially the IC and prosecution that plays loose with legal theory. Tell me why I shouldn’t defend trump in this regard given those boundaries.

              1. Which Democrat is more authoritarian than the guy who thinks the constitution gives him unlimited powers and is caging men, women, and children by the thousands deliberately as a deterrent policy?

                1. First, your initial promise as wrong. For someone who thinks the constitution gives him ultimate power he has sure deferred to congress and the courts more than obama did, shit for brains.

                  Caging men women and children? That’s called the fucking legal system you ignorant retard. Find me one democrat politician who has not advocated for some type of criminal law you piece of shit. Trump was the one who got Firat Step passed you retarded fuck.

                  The left is seeking to end the 1st amendment with hate speech you ignorant fuck. They are applauding the use of IC resources to attack political opponents. Hugo, putin, and china nod approvingly.

                  You truly are an ignorant fuck Tony.

                2. “Which Democrat is more authoritarian than the guy who thinks the constitution gives him unlimited powers and is caging men, women, and children by the thousands deliberately as a deterrent policy?”

                  Two, offhand: One is no longer POTUS and the other lost to Trump.

                3. Obummy spat on the Constitution way more than Trump….Did you take him to task for it?

                  Ar least the Supreme Court did as Obummy lost more unanimous decisions with his overreach, than any prez ever!

                  BTW, Trump has bashed the media with words, but it was Obummy who actually illegally went after journalists!

                  1. And used the IRS to punish those to the right of him. He, the agent who did so, like the hag (who sold ‘indulgences’ as SoS, set up a private comm network to bypass any FOI requests, destroyed tghe evidence on that system while under subpoena) were never charged with anything.
                    This may well be something other than a ‘conspiracy’; it could be a simple case of idiocy as a result of political bias.

        2. That was a quote directly from this story. Did you even bother to read it? Or is this also all Fox’s fault?

    4. They took all their cues from the Democrats including their budget prowess. Effectively the Republicans are Democrats from the end of the last century. And Democrats are crazy ass far left progs who apparently do not want to win back the White House and take their cues from lazy 29 year old former bartenders.

      1. Democrats remain more fiscally responsible, a state of affairs that has been true for my entire life and then some.

        1. Are you in public relations by chance?

        2. So, spending $969M to lose to a candidate who raised $531M is fiscally responsible to you? Kinda makes all that money spent campaigning against Citizens United look like a giant flush of the crapper.

          1. Help from a foreign power may not show up on the ledger, but it’s hardly worthless.

            Admittedly the Russians didn’t spend that much money, but 20 million Americans are cheap dates when it comes to being duped by Facebook memes.

            1. Help… like using an ex british spy to gather russian misinformation to feed to the fbi through back channels?

              1. FOX News turns brains into pickled brains.

                1. So you retort is to demonize Republicans rather than counter his? And you accuse Republicans of being blindly partisan. Do you have no sense of pride or irony?

                  1. You can’t counter a right-wing talking point that’s a lie. You people just believe them unquestioningly. People who don’t consider the source are not able to engage in fruitful conversations.

                    All you can do is be deprogrammed. I hope you get the help you need.

                    1. What’s the lie part Tony. Christopher steele isnt real? Hillary didnt funnel money through Rose law firm to pay FusionGPS to pay steele? Wheres the lie dummy?

                    2. SIGH.

                      I don’t suppose directing you to factcheck or politifact would bear any fruit for you?

                    3. Nothing he states is a lie, so please do direct us to politifact.

                    4. Okay, go to politifact.

                    5. Shitbag here has no idea and hopes someone will do some research to help him out.

                    6. Hey dumbfuck Tony, here is the search results for FusionGPS on politifact.

                      https://www.politifact.com/search/?q=FusionGPS

                      So which story dumbfuck? Hint, there are no stories.

                      So what is the fucking lie?

                    7. So someone did do some research and found out shitbag is, well, full of shit.

                    8. It’s not a lie Tony. It’s a proven fact. You’re such a disingenuous piece of shit.

                      More proof progressives have to go. I suggest you leave while you can.

        3. “Democrats remain more fiscally responsible,…”
          Shitbag, here, hopes someone is even more stupid than he is and might believe that fucking lie.

    5. Do you honestly have a comprehension issue? Or just a fucking moron? Not even hollywood is lying about the hearings as much as your misinformation. and they are barely above retarded.

      1. What am I getting wrong?

        I’m just guessing about the FOX spin, but I figure I’m getting the gist of it here from all the freethinking nonpartisan libertarians who just happen to think Donald Trump is the bestest libertarian ever.

        1. You’ve literally gotten everything wrong. Every single thing you’ve said.

          1. You need to get information from a reliable source and not FOX News. I can’t help you until you try.

            1. However, Mueller walked back this answer in his afternoon testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, saying that that OLC opinion prevented him from making any determination, period, of Trump’s culpability in obstructing justice.

              “What I wanted to clarify is that we did not make any determination in regard to culpability,” said Mueller in response to a question from Rep. John Ratcliffe (R–Texas). “We did not start that process.” It is in this fucking story! The very story your commenting on contradicts your claims. Mueller didn’t make any decisions, nor even start the process of determining if there was obstruction. Period. He also testified today that his investigation was never hindered and he admitted he was personal friends with Comey, at the same time he was investigating Trump for firing Comey. This is a blatant conflict of interest.

              1. The only special prosecutor you’d accept is someone employed as a talking head on FOX News.

                1. God you’re a joke. Even more so than usual. I think you’re going into insulin shock fatass.

                2. The quote itself is from Special Prosecutor Mueller, as is the one about Trump not hindering his investigation that I quoted earlier. So, it would seem you are the only one not believing the special prosecutor.

            2. Tony, every fucking news source including msnbc and the guardian have covered how bad this was for democrats today. Former obama cabinet members are decrying it on Twitter. you honestly cant be this dumb.

              1. Not as bad as being a demented lying treasonous orange felon. That would be the guy you’re defending.

                1. Unhingedly rant harder

            3. “…I can’t help you until you try…”

              Shitbag here thinks he’s capable of helping someone here.
              He might help OG and turd; anyone else?

            4. Tony, beating out ‘Fox News’ isn’t a response. You just look more and more like the pathetic AIDS riddled raving faggot hopped up on poppers that you are.

        2. From the transcripts of this morning:
          Collins: At any time during your investigation, was your investigation curtailed or stopped or hindered?

          Mueller: No
          And then there is this from this very story:
          However, Mueller walked back this answer in his afternoon testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, saying that that OLC opinion prevented him from making any determination, period, of Trump’s culpability in obstructing justice.

          “What I wanted to clarify is that we did not make any determination in regard to culpability,” said Mueller in response to a question from Rep. John Ratcliffe (R–Texas). “We did not start that process.” So, no your claim that Mueller had evidence but couldn’t indict is contradicted by Mueller’s own testimony. Additionally, multiple investigation haven’t demonstrated that the Russians had much impact on 2016.

          1. So do you think steps should be taken by US counterintelligence to curtail future Russian ops in our elections, or are you still cool with it?

            Also, the gist of the report, and his testimony today, is that Trump committed multiple felonies but couldn’t be indicted because of the memo.

            It’s fact. It’s plain as the paper it’s written on.

            1. Non sequitur into a strawman. Keep up the idiocy.

            2. Did you read the fact that Mueller made no determination if Trump committed multiple felonies and absolved him of any charged of conspiracy and collusion? So what multiple felonies are you talking about?

    6. My take: Republicans sure do have some fucking low standards for president these days.

      So why aren’t you rejoicing, Tony? Why aren’t you dancing in the streets that you’ve won?

      Remember, one of the counts on which Clinton was impeached was, in fact, obstruction of justice. It was you and your guys — current Senators Durbin, Feinstein, Leahy, Murray, Reed, Schumer, and Wyden included — who set the standard that obstruction of justice by the President, without an underlying crime committed by the President, is not grounds for removing a President.

      Shouldn’t you be out celebrating that the Republicans have decided to embrace the Democrat-established standards for presidential behavior? This is your victory. Why aren’t you happy?

      1. My victory is Trump staying in office and dragging his entire ratfucking corrupt psychopathic moronic bible-thumping cousinfucking party down with him.

        A sane Republican would be in the 60s right now. Trump’s my hero.

        1. “My victory is”

          Nothing. You’re losing on everything.

        2. Tony, casually casting a “cousinfucking” aspersion at one half of your beloved big purple uniparty seems rich, coming from Oklahoma’s most notorious “it’s okay, we’re not breeders” defiler of cousins.

      2. Get this…Tony is now admitting Trump will be re-elected.

        Lefties have mostly just given up. Hopefully They drink bleach sooner than later.

        1. I would be just fine if they committed mass suicide tomorrow. They really are to blame for all the world’s evils.

    7. Mueller’s testimony showed that not only did he not write the report, he was never a part of the investigation. Per his testimony, he did not even know what FusionGPS was.

    8. Members of the Trump campaign sought campaign help from Russia.

      That’s fucking treason and collusion right there. Period. Full stop.

      I don’t even know why they’re not impeaching him right now, it’s so obvious.

      1. Sarc, I hope.
        Stupidity at that level is hard to find.

    9. Members of the Trump campaign sought campaign help from Russia.

      Yes, so what? Democrats sought campaign help from Britain, Saudi Arabia, and other countries. It’s not illegal to seek help from foreign individuals or governments.

      Trump himself obstructed justice multiple times and would be in prison if he weren’t president.

      Nope, sorry, Mueller didn’t find that. What Mueller found was that Trump was rightfully angry at the investigation and tried to stop it beause of that.

  12. I’ll give Mueller this much: He said that any testimony wouldn’t yield anything new that wasn’t already in the report.

    It seems to have been the case.

    1. Not true. It is exposing mueller as a figure head who knows nothing about his own report.

      1. The Mueller report appears to not be a report, nor have anything to do with Mueller.

        “The Holy Roman Empire is neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire” –Voltaire

        1. Was that Voltaire or Linda Richman’s Coffee Talk?

    2. It’s almost as if Mueller neither wrote or even read his own report.
      He had to be corrected numerous times about what was written in the report. In fact, it is almost as if the report was written by someone like Weissman. Someone who has little regard for basic legal concepts such as the presumption of innocent.

  13. Pretty amazing they spent 50 million dollars and yet no one got into FusionGPS info or how any of this even started.

    And by amazing I mean pathetic and purposefully ignorant.

    1. FOX News turns brains into kimchi.

      1. Tony, you seem very knowledgeable about FOX News… you must be watching it constantly!

        1. He bitterly jerks it to Tucker Carlson nightly. Tony wants to be Tucker’s bottom bitch.

      2. MSNBC and CNN turns people into completely uninformed morons. Tony is a text book example

  14. […] ended up walking back what sounded like a bombshell at first: That he would have recommended obstruction charges against […]

  15. […] ended up walking back what sounded like a bombshell at first: That he would have recommended obstruction charges against […]

  16. Fox News has convinced every redneck Bible-beater in the country that the Dotard is a victim of the Deep State meanies.

    1. The leftist meltdown has spared none of reasons liberals.

      1. It must be nice not having to get up early over at FOX what with the talking points already prepared. Did they even air the hearing, or are you people content with getting the hot take from Sean Hannity’s gerbil hole?

        1. And here you are insulting everyone, making unsupported accusations and implying shit that didn’t happen (yes, Fox ran the fucking hearings uninterrupted). MSNBC was already called out and had to apologise for spreading this lie. So where are you getting your talking points (which are contradicted by quotes within this very story). Is attacking and dehumanizing those whom you disagree with your only response to when you don’t get your way? Or people disagree with you?

          1. As someone who’s been told multiple times to go get raped by sharp objects in the span of the last 30 minutes, I think dehumanizing is just part of the charm of this place.

            FOX News does lie to people, though. It turns people into idiots. I’ve seen it happen.

            1. Tony is even making up.insults towards himself. Holy shit.

            2. You do realize even ABC news is stating today’s testimony ended any chance of impeachment?

              1. I don’t know why you idiots are so afraid of impeachment.

                The report is in fact a roadmap to impeachment. Mueller is just too precious to say so plainly.

                But I’m against impeachment, so if ABC is saying that, good.

                1. Dumbass, you’ve already tried to impeach, last time less than a week ago.

                  How fucking stupid are you?

                2. “The report is in fact a roadmap to impeachment. Mueller is just too precious to say so plainly.”

                  Shitbag, here, seems to fancy himself a constitutional attorney, just as qualified as the one who is no longer POTUS.

                3. The man who railroaded, nay all but literally FRAMED four innocent men for murder, and drove another to suicide to save face for the FBI, is now “too precious”?

            3. And do you honestly believe that MSNBC and CNN do not do the same thing. It is telling that you choose to single out Fox, which I agree is not exactly the most reliable source of information, but certainly no worse than the other 2 I have cited.

          2. Tony, I’ve never seen a bigger pablum puller in my whole life. You are a follower. Period. And it figures, as you are weak and stupid.

            You need to commit suicide, ASAP.

      2. “…The leftist meltdown has spared none of reasons liberals.”

        Shitbag offered help above, so turd showed up hoping for some assistance.

  17. […] ended up walking back what sounded like a bombshell at first: That he would have recommended obstruction charges against […]

  18. this idiot Reason obviously wrote the headline before watching the proceedings, Mueller was horrible for the dems

    1. No no. Listen to retard tony. This was the tipping point.

      1. Walls closing in.

  19. Huh, interesting, because truth be told, I didn’t think he was a senile figurehead who knew virtually nothing about the investigation propped up merely to give cover to Hillary partisans but an active leader of said partisans who actually wrote the report and was deeply involved in the investigation.

    1. I seriously doubt he even wrote the report because he could not remember several key points and had to be corrected several times.
      My guess is that the report was actually written by Weissman and Mueller was a frontman.
      Seriously, Mueller came across as a bumbling idiot. Even the leftist media were unimpressed with his performance and believe the Dems shot themselves in the foot.

      1. Perhaps this was the real reason he pleaded with them not to call him to testify.

  20. I believe that Mueller didn’t know, or much care about the Fusion GPS involvement in this whole thing.

    1. Mueller was not put in place to investigate FusionGPS.
      Clearly, he was only mandated to investigate Trump and steered clear of anything which could possibly lead to connecting Clinton or any other Dems to Russian interference.
      The Steele dossier is absolutely connected to both Clinton and Russia. All of the information on it however bogus came from Russian sources and Clinton and the DNC paid for it, yet Mueller not once gave any time to investigating these connections.
      How can this investigation be considered anything else but a witch hunt. Only one person was targeted against the overwhelming evidence of wrong doing by Clinton and the DNC.
      There is even a video of Schiff taking a call from hoaxers pretending to be Russian and he was more than eager to accept dirt on Trump even though he established that the information came from the Kremlin.
      I hope Mueller and his team goes down for this.

  21. BTW, and easy way to gauge how Mueller’s testimony was accepted, how did the blue checkmarks react?

  22. Yawn.

    I guess the house had nothing better to do.

    When do they get around to legalizing MJ?

  23. Republicans spinning a narrative of a conspiracy against the president.

    Spinning? In what sense is this not a witch hunt?

  24. Wife has NBC (I think( news on). According to them, the ‘money quote’ had to do with some D asking Mueller whether he had ‘exonerated’ Trump; he said “No”. No one, the editorializer acting as a reporter, the D questioner, nor Mueller pointed out that finding someone ‘innocent’ is not an option for a prosecutor.
    That was not reporting news; that was spinning information. I make no claim to be a reporter, but given what a prosecutor can do, I found these to be the ‘money quotes (THX soldiermedic)
    “…the From the transcripts of this morning:
    Collins: At any time during your investigation, was your investigation curtailed or stopped or hindered?
    Mueller: No
    And then there is this from this very story:
    However, Mueller walked back this answer in his afternoon testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, saying that that OLC opinion prevented him from making any determination, period, of Trump’s culpability in obstructing justice.
    “What I wanted to clarify is that we did not make any determination in regard to culpability,” said Mueller in response to a question from Rep. John Ratcliffe (R–Texas). “We did not start that process.”

  25. […] ended up walking back what sounded like a bombshell at first: That he would have recommended obstruction charges against […]

  26. Poor senile Bob Mueller.

    He thought he was being investigated for associations with Jeffrey Epstein.

    He kept insisting things were not in his perv view.

  27. It convinced me of what I already believe. Washington DC is a cesspool where every single politician, government appointee and government employee is a liar, on both sides of the aisle.

  28. At no time has ANY propaganda (news) outlet compared American interference around the world to the Russian interference.

    Our shit don’t stink.

    1. I can’t believe that an intelligent being hasn’t recognized the importance of sharing reality, truth, in conflict resolution.

      The only conclusion is that resolution is not the desired outcome.

      Then what is?

  29. The way some people talk about impeachment makes me wonder if they really know the process. I don’t think they know that if the house impeaches then there is a trial in the Senate with the Chief Justice presiding.

    If the dems really cared about kids in cages, they would focus on producing bipartisan legislation to fix that crisis. Or they can keeping going down the Trump rabbit hole. Which is the priority?

  30. “I can’t get into that. It was an internal deliberation. I can’t get into that. I have no knowledge… Again it was an internal deliberation” (which for some strange reason is immune from Congressional oversight – ed.note).

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