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Trump Is Right: Killing Innocent Iranians Would Be a 'Not Proportionate' Response to Downed Drone

Trump says he called off a planned airstrike against Iran on Thursday night, just minutes before the bombs were to be let loose.

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President Donald Trump says he called off a planned airstrike against Iran on Thursday night, just minutes before the bombs were to be let loose.

He canceled the planned attack, Trump tweeted on Friday morning, after being informed by a general that roughly 150 people would die in the assault—which was being carried out in response to Iran's shooting down of an American drone earlier this week. Trump decided that the possible loss of life was "not proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone," per his Friday morning tweets.

It's likely that dozens of people are alive today because of Trump's brave decision. He should be applauded.

It shouldn't be difficult to decide that murdering 150 innocent Iranians is an incorrect response to a drone being shot down. Unfortunately, the four men who occupied the White House before Trump have eroded that morality to the point where dropping bombs on the Middle East and Central Asia has become a reflexive action. It's something done with little regard for the damage done to America's reputation, to the prospects for a peaceful resolution to the region's problems, and (probably least of all, tragically) to the people on the receiving end of those strikes.

Breaking that habit is not easy. It requires moral fortitude and, yes, bravery in the face of an almost-certain backlash from the domestic political elements that favor endless war.

Trump hasn't always been up to the task. He's fired missiles into Syria and backed down from a plan to bring American troops home from Afghanistan. He's ordered more troops to be sent to the Middle East in recent weeks. It's probably right to remain skeptical of the idea that last night's near-miss on war with Iran means military conflict is off the table.

But, for one night at least, Trump lived up to the non-interventionist message he delivered to voters in 2016. Remember, Trump won the White House by directly defeating the heirs to the Clinton- and Bush-era foreign policy disasters that have cost America and the Middle East so much blood and treasure. Even as John Bolton—Trump's national security advisor and the architect of the catastrophic Iraq War—and others have tried to steer America into a conflict with Iran, Trump has appeared unconvinced about the necessity of violence.

"Look, I said I want to get out of these endless wars, I campaigned on that, I want to get out," he told reporters in the Oval Office on Thursday, according to Politico. "We didn't have a man or woman in the drone. It would have made a big, big difference." The president has reportedly sought counsel from others who are skeptical of additional foreign conflicts, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) and Fox News host Tucker Carlson, even as other Trump allies like Bolton, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) have been beating the drums of war.

On Thursday night, Trump had to make a decision. With planes or drones already in the air, according to The New York Times, and targets picked out, the easy thing would have been to let the generals blow things up and kill people.

Instead, Trump did the right thing.

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  1. Trump gets a cookie.

    1. and you get fudge, packed, to your liking.

  2. Did someone hack the reason site?

    1. They did qualify the praise with “at least for one night”, so it wont last last long for straight praising a trump decision instead if utilizing backhanded compliments at worse.

    2. The Russians must’ve hacked it….Time for a new investigation!

  3. Seeing as a drone is not a human, the “loss” to us is purely economic. Thus, sanctions are completely appropriate and violence directed at people would not be.

    1. Unless we have some Ancaps here, in which case Iran violated the NAP, giving us permission to deploy our private army of elite child soldiers and glass their entire country.

      1. Ancaps wouldn’t have had a craft invading their airspace to begin with

        1. Nobody invaded their airspace, dickhead.

      2. I don’t think you quite get the whole idea of Ancaps. I don’t think killing a bunch of innocent people in response to an act by some government officials (anarchists of the individualist variety don’t really believe that governments or countries act, only individuals do) is in accord with the NAP. Of course, there is nothing to stop you using your child army if there isn’t another one there to stop you.

      3. I would support this so long as there is a viable plan to recover that glass for use in monocle production.

      4. You slapping my face doesn’t give me permission to glass your planet. The response has to be (reasonably) proportionate. That’s why justice is repayment.

        -An actual An-Cap

        1. The problem is that in an ancap society, there isn’t anyone who can decide what’s reasonable except for you and if someone disagrees, you have to do whatever is necessary to make them agree. That’s why all the ancap memeballs (same for anprim and most anarchist based ideologies) involve comically extreme reactions to relatively simple offenses, like visiting the Nestle™ Domes of Life™ for your daily oxygen intake or eating fruit seeds, going to the bathroom, and being executed for taking the first steps towards civilization.

    2. Hey, the air force really loved that robot. The Iranians didn’t even give it a proper burial.

      1. Its name was Tim!

        1. Years ago, the Onion had a (unfortunately, short lived) show that was what you’d expect it to be – parody of cable news, with megan Kelly and Anderson cooper inspired hosts.
          One of my favorite episodes was when they covered Senate hearings accusing a drone for war crimes. There was a scene of senators standing on a tarmac berating the drone, in implacable and inanimate object.
          It was funny.

      2. It was a Navy drone, and the distinction matters. Naval pilots love their aircraft more than the women they leave behind. Air force pilots love their aircraft like you love your old desk chair or that really smoothly operating stapler.

        1. I would argue as a former member of the elite Naval Aviation flying fighting force we may have loved our aircraft more than the women we left behind but not as much as women’s behinds. Can’t (won’t) speak for zoomies in the years I served I never fully understood those guys. They never seemed to get dirty as if they out-sourced all the real work,

        2. Well, good thing that navy pilots aren’t making the judgement about how important a lost aircraft is, then.

        3. What are the Marine pilots feelings?

          1. Kill things. Create backup plans to kill things in case first attempts aren’t gratifying enough.

          2. They will miss it but not as much as the hooker in Jacksonville, NC? Or Oceanside CA?

    3. That is if you believe that the drone was in International airspace, not over Iran’s airspace….I would hardly believe the USA is telling the Truth about it!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS4P5xC_1aU

    4. The only potential equivalent response would be to attack an inanimate object. A black ops team smashing the Ayatollah’s cell phone in the middle of the night would be appropriate and send the correct message.

  4. Let’s give Trump praise whem he deserves it. He most certainly deserves it for calling off this strike.

    1. Congrats, you’ve taken the first step to recovery.

    2. It is not so much calling it off, it is the stated reason for doing so. I really think the idea that war and military action is totally okay as long as the US doesn’t take casualties is the root of a lot of our problems. Not only does it cause us to enter into useless and unwise wars like Libya and Serbia, it also causes us to half ass the wars we do fight for fear of casualties, see Iraq and Afganistan.

      It amazes me that asking the simple question “is this really justified?” could cause so much consernation in the military and foreign policy establishments.

      1. Not only does it cause us to enter into useless and unwise wars like Libya and Serbia

        The thing about those operations, is that they were actually NATO-driven and weren’t necessarily initiated on our behalf. The former was particularly egregious because it ended up leaving a complete power vacuum in place with no Large Power oversight to keep even a modicum of stability, and now the country is just one large open slave market and arms trafficking route.

        Out of all the stupid shit the Obama administration did, fomenting the “Arab Spring” is going to be looked on as one of its biggest mistakes, simply because it further exacerbated the chaotic environment in the Middle East and hardened the regional factions there along Muslim Brotherhood/non-Muslim Brotherhood lines.

        1. Isn’t there an iron law about unforeseen consequences are not unintentional or something?

      2. John, completely agree with what you wrote here. I think it shows bravery on Trump’s part because I could only imagine he was surrounded by salivating dogs like Bolton at the time he made this decision.

        Maybe we’ll get lucky and Bolton will be so distraught that we didn’t bomb Iran that he’ll resign. Although something tells me probably not.

    3. Agreed. Glad he thought to ask the question about how many would die. Next questions: Was the drone really over international waters when it was shot down, as the U.S. says? Or was it over Iranian territory, as Iran says? Is someone deliberately lying about that, or do both sides think they are telling the truth? (If they do, the U.S. presumably has the more accurate equipment for determining such things.) Those questions do matter, but not nearly as much as avoiding 150 unnecessary deaths. And last question: Does the President of the United States really not know the difference between “site” and “sight”? Again, it’s a question that does seem to matter, but not nearly as much as having the sense of proportionality he displayed here.

      1. I can almost guarantee you it was over international airspace in areas that we fly in everyday. Iran knows where we fly because they track us every day. They are simply trying to push buttons that are very dangerous to press. They will end up killing Americans sooner or later and receive a swift beat down in response.

        1. Let’s not forget that this theocracy has an end-of-times scenario, where they emerge as victors through the emergence of the Mahdi.
          It is why their attaining of nuclear weapons is worse than that of any other ideology.

          1. No, I don’t believe that. Some in Israel’s government believe the same thing about the coming of the Messiah, and Israelis even talk about what they call the “Samson Option”, but the U.S. seems to be OK with them having nuclear weapons. Almost certainly, in neither Israel nor Iran do people who truly believe in their coming divine deliverer control the nuclear program.

        2. You cannot guarantee any such thing. What a completely stupid statement.
          I can guarantee that you have absolutely no more intelligence than those on the scene on either side.
          It seems to me we have already been offered proof by the Iranians that the drone entered their airspace yet we have not been offered any such proof by our side. I would therefore more likely conclude that Iran is telling the truth.
          My guess is that someone on our side is attempting to provoke Trump into a war. He decided that it was not worth the loss of life over a piece of sophisticated equipment. I suspect he also knows the drone crossed over into Iranian airspace
          Let’s not forget, America are provoking this because they have a ship posted off the coast of Iran. It’s not like Iran has a ship in the Gulf of Mexico. America also occupy most of the countries surrounding Iran, including Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran must feel very threatened by a superior power right now.
          It is America who is pushing the provocation here.
          It would be ridiculous to believe that Iran would dare to push this over the edge by shooting down an America drone in international airspace. They MUST know that they do not stand a chance of lasting more than a couple of days against such overwhelming force. The leadership in Iran may be proud but I doubt they would be so stupid and wreckless.

  5. Orange man good

  6. The Turks shot down a Russian jet and nothing happened except the pants-shitting.

    The Soviets shot down an airliner – carrying a congressman even! – and nothing happened except for the tuff-guy talk.

    1. The US shot down an Iranian airliner full of people by mistake once. Not everything is worth going to war over.

      1. Exactly

    2. We didn’t go to war with Iraq when they accidentally bombed the USS Stark.

  7. Three things:

    1) The most likely outcome of this is Iran will just be emboldened and ramp up their belligerence even further. The only thing bullies and thugs really understand is a punch in the eye.

    2) Iran could develop the nuke and drop it on a country and kill hundreds of thousands and the fake libertarian assholes of Reason still wouldn’t think a response by us was justified. However, that is only because…

    3) A republican is president! Only the left-liberals guys like Boehm and Welchie Boy worship (like Slick Willie and Mofobama) are allowed to “murder” people around here.

    1. Reason is totally in the tank for Trump.

      1. Oops, that wasn’t supposed to be a response.

    2. Your number 2 is BS and you know it. Your number 3 is BS and you know it.

      You might have a point on 1, but who cares if Iran is “emboldened”? Better they be “emboldened” than they get to play the victim of US aggressive over-reaction.

    3. The most likely outcome is that the Deep State will now have to ramp up their false flag attacks and make sure the next “Iranian” strike kills some Americans, now that Trump has drawn that line in the sand.

      1. You’re just trying to cover for the lizard people. You aren’t fooling anyone.

        1. Deep State, lizard people—all the same.

          1. +1 Rutherford the Brave.

      2. Is this serious or a joke?

        1. In a world in which reality is a joke, that’s no longer a meaningful distinction.

  8. Jon Bolton hardest hit.

    1. I’m surprised he didn’t resign on the spot.

      No, actually I’m not. He’ll always want to be as close to the seat of power as possible, even if he is completely ignored.

    2. Rarely have there been bluer balls attached to a war boner.

      1. You know Bolton is in his bedroom punching a teddy bear to fluffy shreds right about now.

        1. He screwed it first, and then set fire to it.

      2. Hillary’s blue balls from not being president and nuking the middle east was much darker.

        1. This is the kind of nonsense hysteria that made Trump president. I hope you’re proud of yourselves.

          1. Couldn’t be prouder, Tony. And dealing that bitch a decisive blow against her unholy lust for power was icing on the cake.

    3. Jon Bolton hardest hit.

      If only. He certainly deserves it.

  9. Trump was right… for canceling a strike… he ordered…?

    1. This will be seen as a high point for Trump. The soft bigotry of low expectations always benefits orange people more than anyone else.

      1. It’s almost as beneficial as the low spark of high heeled boys.

        1. That was a masterpiece by Winwood and Capaldi.

          This…not so much.

          What now?

      2. speaking of low expectations I am sure your parents can relate.

        1. Yeah, they expected me to make enough money to buy them a lake house each and then of course hospice care, but I decided to major in English.

      3. Your response makes no sense at all. I am guessing you are self-appointed clever and that is why you are published here on raisin.com.
        Take a course in creative writing or shutting up. Please.

    2. I do have to wonder what the progression here is.

      Is Trump a deranged lunatic who ordered a strike and then decided to back out of it? Flaking out in control of the military with wild inconsistency?

      Or is this a case of the Pentagon and John Bolton pressuring Trump (who doesn’t even have an acting Secretary of Defense, right?) until he agreed, only to have him stand up and call it off at the last minute.

      1. My gut says the latter. To me the most encouraging part of the whole story is that he actually took a minute to think about the fact that he was ordering the deaths of innocent people and whether or not that was the right thing to do. Seems like rare behavior in a president.

        1. You’re presuming he wasn’t told of the casualty count when the strike option was given to him in the first place.

          Which indicates you don’t know shit about the military.

    3. Beats ordering the mass carpet-bombing of Libya and NOT canceling it.. to use a recent example.

  10. ” . . . damage done to America’s reputation . . .”
    Reputation with whom?
    The Muslims already hate us enough to kill us all. It is hard to get them to hate us more.

    1. The Muslims already hate us enough to kill us all.

      Why are we still alive?

      1. Maybe because there are a lot of Muslims that don’t hate us and the comment “The Muslims already hate us enough to kill us all.” is just so much horseshit put out there by someone full of horseshit.
        Also it appears that most radicalized Muslims cannot really get their act together long enough to carry out large scale genocide on the infidels.

        1. Or maybe it’s like the asshole at the bar I told to fuck off last weekend. I have 80 lbs. of lean mass on him, and about twice his physical power. He really WANTED to kick the shit out of me, but he would have been ill advised to make the attempt. As I would have been forced, forced mind you, to do terrible, horrible, awful things to him.

          Superior raw power is often an effective deterrent.

          1. Yes. It’s all because the world quakes in fear at your bad-assedness.

            1. Now do guns.

              1. Do what with guns? Make fun of Last of the Shitlords? I’m having a hard time coming with a routine.

                1. Not too worried if you did. You’re a weak minded buffoon anyway.

            2. In this case he did. Look, I get it, you’re like some scrawny soyboy who bristles at any mention of one’s ‘toxic masculinity’.

          2. How are you not in prison?

            1. Why would I be in prison? I’m a good patriotic American. Not some loathsome subversive Marxist pederast, who is hungry for the asses of statutorily young boys.

              1. I am confident that you think of young boy ass more than I do. You certainly talk about it more.

      2. It’s the religion of peace, dontcha know.

  11. Trump knows enough that escalation is a bad idea in this case, and also that ramping up civilian casualties in those shithole countries like Afghanistan we don’t care about anymore won’t cause any problems in the region or political problems for him, since nobody talks about it.

    1. Shut up . The bad man did a good thing. Deal with it.

      1. He also made it a whole day without being accused of rape… oh shit, spoke too soon.

        1. Who is accusing Trump of rape. Or are you confused again, and actually thinking of Bill Clinton, or Joe Biden.

  12. Good for Trump. I hope this is a sign of some consistent conscience and principle. He’s certainly been more restrained about bombing shit than the last 4 or 5 presidents.

    1. He hasn’t, but whatever.

      1. Yeah, he has Tony. Case closed.

      2. He hasn’t, but whatever.

        He objectively has. It’s arguably the single best thing about him. Feel free to find the evidence otherwise.

        1. b-b-b-but he bombed Syria that one time.

          1. You mean that time that Hillary agreed, and thought he didn’t go far enough?

        2. Objectively shut up.

          Middle East civilian deaths have soared under Trump

          Of course he also revoked the rule that we have to disclose civilian death numbers.

          1. I will look at that.

            1. Keep in mind that this was a campaign promise kept.

          2. According to the article, Middle East civilian deaths have soared under Trump if you count all the ones that aren’t reported and pretend that the Obama administration accurately reported all of them.

            IOW, I’m gonna need to see something a little more rigorous than WaPo.

            1. I look forward to the link.

          3. And US military deaths in the Middle East were 19% higher in 2010 (560) compared to 2008 (469), and still higher than 2008 in 2011 (473), which is why you spent 2012 denouncing Obama as objectively a worse warmonger than George W. Bush and demanded the election of Mitt Romney, right, Tony?

          4. I don’t trust anything WaPo has to say anymore. They’ve lied so much out of extreme TDS.

            The premise is clearly bullshit anyway.

            1. You don’t trust any source of information that doesn’t fondle Republican balls because you have a weak constitution and an even weaker mind. It’s sad. I’m sad for you.

  13. So far, so good.

    1. Speaking as one of your betters, I agree.

    2. Carry on clinger.

  14. This is a good thing. I don’t know his thought process, and I take any pronouncement with a grain of salt, but I hope that his stated reason is real and that it defines a trend.

    1. “This is a good thing.”

      Wait until you see the agreement Trump hammers out with Iran. I figure it’ll be ever so slightly different from Obama’s deal, but with a totally new name. Think pre-Trump NAFTA with it’s almost identical post-Trump analogue, USMCA. The pallets are probably being stacked with cash. as we speak.

      1. Counterfeit cash.

        1. As opposed to what?

        2. All the hundreds have Trumps portrait. That would be a killer burn.

          1. It would be funnier if they had Muhammed’s portrait.

  15. BRING BACK HEATON!
    BRING BACK HEATON!
    BRING BACK HEATON!
    BRING BACK HEATON!
    BRING BACK HEATON!

    1. He did just leave the Blaze Network, but he didn’t sound like he
      wanted to be in political journalism anymore.

      But yeah Reason should send Gillespie down there and kidnap him and force him to work. Damn the NAP, bring back Heaton by hook or by crook.

  16. I happened to catch part of Hannity last night and he was explaining all about how Trump can’t do nothing because China and North Korea and Russia and all the rest of the hundreds of hostile foreign countries across the world are watching and the US cannot show weakness in the face of naked aggression like this – so don’t you dare go criticizing Trump for whatever military response he chooses to use!

    I can’t wait to see him tonight to see how exactly he spins “doing nothing” as the wisest and most bestest response Trump could have chosen and how this is going to make us look even stronger to China and North Korea and Russia and Belgium and Lhasa Apso and all those other countries that hate us for our freedom.

    1. God, Hannity is such a tool.

      1. I know. 🙁

    2. The economic sanctions against Iran are not nothing.

    3. You never know when you’ll find that one thing that Republican media poodles will just not abide. Usually it’s something plainly evil that their favorite president refused to do. Don’t make it a drinking game if you want to drink, though.

    4. I doubt Trump will ‘do nothing’. This isn’t a binary proposition. As president he has a legion of options open to him to respond that do jot involve bombing Iran.

      I’m sure he can find a way to stick it to them without having to kill anyone.

  17. Trump is the best president of the 21st century. He made a terrific decision and for the right reasons.

    Iran will undoubtedly commit a further provocation. At some point, that will result in “kinetic action”. For some reason, I am reminded of “Slouching toward Gomorrah”. I have never read it, but it sounds right.

    1. Trump is the best president of the 21st century.

      So far, I’d say you’re actually right. Although that statement is really impugning his 2 predecessors more than it is applauding Trump.

    2. He is the best president elected for the past 883 days, 3 hours and 7 minutes.

    3. Agreed. Iran is trying to provoke. If they want to provoke the USA it will require blood which we never respond kindly too.

  18. Did anyone else flash the scene in “The American President”?

    President Andrew Shepherd: What I did tonight was not about political gain.
    Leon Kodak: Yes sir. But it can be, sir. What you did tonight was very presidential.
    President Andrew Shepherd: Leon, somewhere in Libya right now, a janitor’s working the night shift at Libyan Intelligence headquarters. He’s going about doing his job… because he has no idea that in about an hour he’s going to die in a massive explosion. He’s just going about his job, because he has no idea that about an hour ago I gave an order to have him killed. You’ve just seen me do the least presidential thing I do.

  19. Murder? I’m embarrassed for you Eric.

  20. Good old Reason — once again a signpost reliably pointing in the wrong direction. I doubt that the targets were civilians, and anybody in the military is a legitimate target. And before you say that 150 military vs. one drone is disproportionate, that’s the chance Iran took. On their heads be it — literally.

  21. Not according to Bill Kristol and his fans.

    Bunch of psychos.

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1142077241616228354

  22. “But, for one night at least, Trump lived up to the non-interventionist message he delivered to voters in 2016.”

    Didn’t he refrain from bombing Syria and took grief for that too?

    Trump got the left to defend MS-13 (among other things) and is now showing how the whole system lusts for war for its own sake.

    He indeed should be applauded for bucking a trend.

  23. I think trump did the right thing here as well, not necesarily to save lives though. There’s a longer game to be played here. If the Iranians don’t take this gesture of restraint and wipe their ass with it and the body count increases 10x from the 150 projected it’ll be the miracle we’ve all been waiting to behold.

  24. “Didn’t he refrain from bombing Syria and took grief for that too?”

    No. The US intervention in Syria since Trump took office is far from refrained.

    “Trump got the left to defend MS-13 (among other things) and is now showing how the whole system lusts for war for its own sake.”

    Who has defended MS-13?

    “He indeed should be applauded for bucking a trend”

    Golf clap.

    1. I seem to recall him taking flak for not bombing or at least escalating violence in Syria.

      I seem to further recall a bunch of Tweets and comments about how irresponsible he was.

      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/04/07/trump-the-madman-somehow-tricked-a-bunch-of-democrats-into-defending-ms-13-thugs-n2544380

      If I misspoke, I’m open to hearing how.

      1. No the link to Timmy from Townhall speaks for itself.

  25. A president actually considers the deaths of brown Muslims in an enemy country when deciding whether or not to drop bombs and decides it’s not worth that price? No president in my lifetime (Eisenhower was president when I was born) has ever made the case that dead foreigners was an impediment to military action. “collateral damage” is simply an irrelevant footnote in our march to world dominance. Nothing improves a presidents poll numbers like shock and awe and the rockets red glare. Reason’s favored candidate, HRC, would have us in at least 2 full blown wars by now and her approval ratings would be north of 80%. Trump’s are stuck in the 40s. We can only wonder if Gary Johnson could put the pipe down long enough to even make a decision but I’m pretty sure Bill Weld would be blowing shit up to the delight of media and pundits of all political persuasions. If Trump valued his reelection more than 150 dead Iranians he’d have pulled the trigger. But he didn’t. At least not yet. And once again he seems determined to make good on his campaign promises for better or for worse. At this point I’m voting Trump 2020 and I don’t care who the Libertarians nominate.

    1. “No president in my lifetime (Eisenhower was president when I was born) has ever made the case that dead foreigners was an impediment to military action. ”

      The same thought occurred to me.

  26. Iranians are brown?

    Not any I know. Perhaps some.

    1. Only the slaves.

    2. According to Ben Franklin, White is a *very* exclusive club.

      Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Ben Franklin:
      … And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People

      https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-04-02-0080

  27. This #LibertarianMoment brought to you by Orange Man and the Deplorables who supported him, over the hysterical pants shitting opposition of @Reason.

    You’re welcome.

    Is there any doubt Hillary would be reprising John McCain’s greatest hits right now with “Bomb! Bomb! Bomb! Bomb! Bomb Iran!”?

    1. “Is there any doubt Hillary would be reprising John McCain’s greatest hits right now with “Bomb! Bomb! Bomb! Bomb! Bomb Iran!”?

      Yes. I doubt Clinton would have reneged on the Obama agreement and Iran would not be escalating tensions.

  28. But it’s kind of depressing knowing how many “conservatives” are going to react to this. And most democrats as well. Unfortunately, the only voting bases that care about this are libertarians and isolationists, not exactly the type to help trump’s polling numbers. Everyone else is grinding their teeth in rage, screaming for the punishment of those audacious enough to resent America’s never-ending presence in the mid-east.

  29. The picture with this article’s headline pretty much explains it all. Trump making a show of trying to keep his campaign promises with the serious frown of Bolton eyeing down the President from behind. If Trump needs to do anything right now it’s fire him along with his war-mongering cohort Mike Pompeo. But that shouldn’t be a popular move either.

  30. I am a consistent critic of most of Trump’s actions, but Trump did the right thing by resisting the pressure to start bombing Iran, and by calling that sort of action “disproportionate”. If Iran sent drones over here, you better believe we would shoot them down. Iran does not have military bases surrounding the United States; we have over a dozen right near the borders of Iran. I am hoping that unlike Obama and GW Bush, he will get us out of the wars over there altogether, but with Bolton as his adviser, that may not happen. If anyone wants to explain how 18 years of waging war in Afghanistan protects our freedoms, I sure would like to hear it.

    1. What if Iran flew drones along the US coast line in international waters? Do you think the US would shoot them down?

      With Iran attacking tankers in the strait of Hormuz, do you think it is a good idea to keep an eye on the straits? Maybe it is somebody else’s problem? Is it good to let Iran violently intimidate the rest of the world by sponsoring and manning assorted terrorist groups bent on destroying the only free country in the middle east? Maybe the US should just let Israel stand or fall on its own, but will the middle east, and the world, be better off if Israel is destroyed? The world has already been through a rather difficult period of murdering Jews, a significant number of people died in the last pogrom attempt.

    2. My sources tell me that we’re still there because Pakistan has nukes.

      1. Pakistan has nukes, as well as India, china, north Korea, Russia, the U.S., France and the UK, pretty soon Iran, and probably the rest of the world before long, and we’re not going to do a thing about it. How is having American soldiers sitting around in the mid-east and flying drones over Iran going going to further denuclearization.

        The only way to denuclearize is to either storm a country by force (not a 21st century option) or negotiate. At least trump is trying to talk to lil rocket man even though it is highly unlikely that NK will ever give up the greatest source of national security known to man.

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  33. […] do, which was a) call off a military strike, b) do so in the name of disproportionality, and c) say as much in public. And so the first chunk of today’s Editors’ Roundtable edition of the Reason Podcast, […]

  34. […] do, which was a) call off a military strike, b) do so in the name of disproportionality, and c) say as much in public. And so the first chunk of today’s Editors’ Roundtable edition of the Reason Podcast, […]

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  36. […] do, which was a) call off a military strike, b) do so in the name of disproportionality, and c) say as much in public. And so the first chunk of today’s Editors’ Roundtable edition of the Reason Podcast, […]

  37. […] response, Trump approved and then called off a planned strike against the country that would have killed an estimated 150 Iranians. On Twitter, he explained that such retaliation was “not […]

  38. […] response, Trump approved and then called off a planned strike against the country that would have killed an estimated 150 Iranians. On Twitter, he explained that such retaliation was “not […]

  39. […] response, Trump approved and then called off a planned strike against the country that would have killed an estimated 150 Iranians. On Twitter, he explained that such retaliation was “not […]

  40. […] response, Trump approved and then called off a planned strike against the country that would have killed an estimated 150 Iranians. On Twitter, he explained that such retaliation was “not […]

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  46. […] Trump backing off on a militarized response to the downing of a drone off the coast of Iran was the right thing to do. If Paul being friendly with Trump can keep America out of a new war, the relationship is worth […]

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