Jeff Flake

Jeff Flake Reveals Death Threats, Says a Democratic President Would Be Better Than Trump

The former Arizona senator warns that anti-immigration rhetoric could make Republicans as unsuccessful nationwide as they are in California.

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Last week, 58-year-old James Dean Blevins Jr. pleaded guilty to threatening former senator Jeff Flake with a menacing voicemail. Blevins agreed to probation as punishment for his call, which took place last September amidst the controversies surrounding Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court. In the message, Blevins said: "I am tired of him interrupting our president, and I am coming down there to take him and his family out."

In an interview published in The Guardian this week, Flake, who was on the field in 2017 when a former Bernie Sanders volunteer opened fire on a bunch of GOP lawmakers practicing for the annual congressional baseball game, said the voicemail was "only one of several threats," which he then proceeded to detail: a man seen with a rifle scope at three different Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints locations in Arizona, plus "several" other incidents that "haven't been tracked down yet," including "threats where they list my kids and their addresses, links to beheading videos."

Flake was a vocal opponent of Donald Trump during the GOP primary season, after Trump secured the nomination, again after the Access Hollywood tape surfaced, and then throughout the first two years of this presidency. He declined in 2017 to wage what would have been an uphill 2018 reelection campaign, for a seat now occupied by Democrat Kyrsten Sinema. In January of this year, after months of speculation, Flake ruled out a 2020 challenge to Trump while taking a job as on-air analyst for CBS News. (CNN, which has different standards for journalism ethics, has allowed paid contributor John Kasich to continue weighing a presidential run.)

In the Guardian interview, Flake said he'd been in contact with the former Ohio governor and "Kasich hasn't ruled it out."

As part of the former senator's ground-losing fight for a conservatism that embraces free trade, welcomes immigrants, repudiates dictators, honors alliances, and eschews comportmental crassness, Flake took part last week in an Intelligence Squared debate in New York on the question of whether the GOP should re-nominate Trump. Not only did the Arizonan (along with wingman Bret Stephens of The New York Times) argue in favor of primarying the president, but Flake answered "yes" to the question of whether a Democratic victory in 2020 would be preferable to a second Trump term.

"I'd like another Republican elected," Flake said. "But…if we continue and go with President Trump, I think that Republican principles, conservative principles, will be damaged more in the long run by having President Trump with a second term than they would by limiting him to a first term."

Flake analogized Trump's modern GOP with then–Gov. Pete Wilson's California Republican Party of the mid-1990s, which rallied around the immigration restrictionism of Proposition 187 and Wilson's "They keep coming" ad.

"Does anybody remember anything that Pete Wilson was able to do in the second term in California that justified the fact that, in the past quarter century now since Pete Wilson…won that second term, only Arnold Schwarzenegger, who later switched parties, and an insurance commissioner have been elected as Republicans statewide in California?" Flake asked. "There are no Republicans representing California from Orange County, Reagan Country, in Congress anymore. California may be a generation before they elect another Republican to office, because that Prop. 187 campaign, much like it has done elsewhere in the country, it can galvanize people for a while, maybe for a cycle or two, but in the end, it turns people off. It turns off minorities. It turns off women."

Flake's debate opponents , former Kansas secretary of state Kris Kobach and Fox News contributor Liz Peek, rejected the comparison.

"Most Californians don't remember what Prop. 187 was, which was more than 20 years ago," Kobach retorted. "It was, of course, something that he used in that election, but that is not why California is where it is in terms of the Electoral College. California is where it is because of demographics, and because of the high tax policy—highest in the country with state taxes—that has pushed so many people to Texas."

Kobach, a leading immigration restrictionist who lost a tight race for Kansas governor in November, is rumored to be on Trump's shortlist for the as-yet-uncreated administration job of "immigration czar." He headed up Trump's controversial and scandal-plagued Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity until it abruptly disbanded in January 2018.

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119 responses to “Jeff Flake Reveals Death Threats, Says a Democratic President Would Be Better Than Trump

  1. “FLAKE”

    That about covers it.

    1. Yes the last name fits like a glove similar to Swalwell which is short for “swallows well”.
      Flake is a horrid & duplicitous SOB who like Romeny have done far more to hurt the GOP than Trump ever has.

      I will never understand what his problem is other than he has no character or integrity.

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      2. He has a pathological need for attention and approval is his problem. I liked the guy when he was in the House, but when he moved to the Senate he basically sold out his constituents and abandoned any conservative principles the press didn’t like. He seemed more obsessed with the Congressional baseball team than doing his job.

        Flake…the name says it all.

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    3. Not harsh enough. Weasel. Idiot….

      According to Flake, Republicans should run candidates that will win in California.

    1. Can’t say it any better so I’ll just repeat it: Fuck off Flake

      1. The eponymous Flake.

  2. He’s had his 15 minutes of maverickyness, now he’s just another Democrat.

    1. Pretty much. He retired because he was tired of pretending.

      1. And he was going to lose primary.
        Bad.

    2. Flake is the right wing of the Globalist Uniparty. They still own much of the Republican Party establishment, but less and less of the Republican base.

      Naturally, Flake prefers the left wing of his Globalist Uniparty over the right wing nationalist party the Republican Party is becoming.

      It’s a realignment.
      Globalists to the Left.
      Nationalists to the Right.

      The Globalist “Right” exists to hamstring the Nationalist Right as long as it can. But eventually they’ll be *openly* Democrats.

  3. EVERYBODY ON EVERY SIDE OF EVERY ISSUE IMAGINABLE GETS DEATH THREATS.

    Jesus Christ it doesn’t make you some brave hero or a victim for speaking out or having an opinion. It does not give you the moral high ground. It has zero relevance to whether or not you are correct or your views are justified. Nobody wins the “I get death threats” game.

    Find me one instance of somebody sending an anonymous death threat to a specific person over the internet or through the mail that actually followed through with that threat. Just one. Maybe that guy who shot up the newspaper in Maryland, although I’m not aware of any actual death threats.

    The people who actually kill people don’t typically give their victims warning. That would kind of defeat the purpose.

    I used to like Flake, but he turned into a whiny little bitch no better than Trump.

    1. One of the greatest moments in the Senate over the last 5 years was Tim Scott reading a bunch of racist, vile, evil hate mail and death threats he gets. They all came not from white supremacists or Republicans, but from progressives, Democrats, and fellow black people. Of course the press completely ignored it.

      I am ambivalent about Tim Scott, although he would absolutely be a beloved national hero if he was a Democrat, but he’s better than most Republicans, and he still has the greatest Twitter own I’ve ever seen:

      Somebody called him a “house nigga”, and all he responded with was “Senate”. If a Democrat Senator did that it would have gone viral and would have been front page news on HuffPo, Buzzfeed, and CNN. We would have heard about it on all the late night shows. We would have Tim Scott memes. But no, he’s the wrong kind of proud black man, much like Condi is the most inspiring and successful black woman in American history, and never needed a man, but she is ignored in favor of women like Hillary fucking Clinton as role models for little girls.

      1. At this point we should be well beyond any notion of “fair play.” Democrat socialist progressives and their catamite media [cite Schlichter on that one] have no interest in being fair, objective, or in any way even handed. We may long for the days of across the isle bipartisanship and “fair and balanced” news coverage [if such ever really existed outside of a few organizations with a degree of credibility; WSJ in my view] but we have to see it as it is, not as it should be. We are in a winner take all no holds barred zero sum conflict for the soul of our nation and each of our individual liberties.

        The Senate just advanced the “nuclear option” to include district judicial appointments and lower level cabinet posts. Democrats were voting cloture for no reason but outright obstruction because they weren’t “their” nominees and of course orange man bad and all his minions and whatever horse he road in on. Trump filling those record number of vacancies with Federalist Society recommended judges. This is how we need to fight.

        Sorry, didn’t mean to soap box, but WTF.

        1. Preach, good man!

        2. Quo Usque Tandem, no matter what you think of Democrats, you argue for the deligitimization of the judiciary, by making it overtly partisan. The judiciary is what protects minority opinion and minority politics in this nation.

          You and fellow movement conservatives are in the minority now, and apparently destined to continue that way. You may suppose that, well, Democrats will do it if we don’t, so it’s war. That deprives you of the best weapon you can deploy against Democrats if, after assembling sufficient political power, they try what you suppose.

          To be forthright, my objections are partly motivated by dismay at what I predict an overtly partisan right wing judiciary would do. But my dismay about that is not nearly so strong as my horror at the thought of a nation without a useful judiciary, which we all will get if right wingers continue to cheer on Trump and McConnell in efforts to make the judiciary partisan, and left wingers retaliate in kind, as they surely would.

          I try to imagine what could make sense of your motivations?assuming you can see as clearly as anyone else that in this nation’s history neither the left nor the right has ever held power for more than a few decades, at the longest. Given that, the only reasonable way to understand your advocacy is to suppose you intend to establish permanent right wing tyranny, based on minority rule. That would lead to war indeed, and nobody ought to be so stupid as to advocate for that outcome.

          1. Stephen.
            It is clear that the Dems are only interested in minorities to the point of how much they can use them. You just have to look at places like Chicago to see how much Dems care about the Black population.
            The Dems have divided America like it has never been since the civil war.
            They have blacks against whites, Women against men, straights against gays and rich against poor.
            The Dems are at such a point that it is unlikely that Bernie will win the nomination because he is straight, white old man so he does not tick any of the minority boxes. Even at this early stage it is becoming apparent that Harris is the nominee the MSM will be throwing their weight behind and Bernie will likely be cheated again.
            It doesn’t matter who the best candidate is, it just matters which candidate is in the most ‘oppressed’ groups
            I can’t stand Bernie and I hate Harris even more, but if Bernie is cheated again, the Dem party will rip apart. I am a Trump supporter, but certainly recognise the need for an opposition party in any democracy. A one-party state is very dangerous.

        3. Cocaine Mitch the UnCucked!

      2. “Somebody called him a “house nigga”, and all he responded with was “Senate”.”

        That was classic.

    2. Wrong. Death threats are a signal to others that you’ll have their back if they carry them out. Death threats should never be excused or downplayed.

      1. Well, they shouldn’t, but that doesn’t mean we should pretend that getting one proves you’re on the side of goodness and right. Colorblindkid is right, basically everybody gets them at that level in politics.

        1. Oh I agree that death threats don’t vindicate you. Like I said, I’m no fan of Flake. But if I don’t stand up to threats against him, they’ll come for me next.

          Oh you don’t understand. I’m actually on my way to your location as we speak. I’ll be there in less than an hour. You might want to call people you love to tell them goodbye.

          1. Okay fine, but I didn’t see the press too concerned about Kavanaugh’s wife and daughter getting rape and death threats, and Democrats were making jokes about Susan Collins’ home being evacuated due to death threats before the incident was even over, and several have made jokes about Rand Paul’s attack. Then there’s the insane response by the press and Democrats to the baseball shooting, which was largely to ignore it and say that their rhetoric of calling Republicans terrorists and evil babykillers who want to murder your grandma had absolutely nothing to do with it.

            The double standards are what is appalling, moreso than the death threats.

          2. Paul gets them and in fact was physically attacked by a progressive neighbor.. Flake is a known liar and I doubt he gets more than any other typical feckless politician. Flake has actively promoted his disloyalty to the GOP. This is not just Trump bashing but honest to goodness Conservative principals. He enjoyed sticking to those that voted for him and so it is no wonder someone strikes back. Not justifying violence but Flake actively pursued it.

      2. Thank you. Finally someone with reason commenting here today.

      3. Why then is Madona not locked up. Did she not state that the thought about blowing up the White House on national TV. If this is not an outright incitement, then I don’t know what is.

    3. Had to bring Trump in … At least Trump has accomplished some good things whereas Flake did nothing but obstruct … a real useless tool.

      Allen

      1. Trump has accomplished nothing that any other Republican president would have done, while doing a thousand bad things no other Republican president would have done. With another Republican president, they would still have the House and probably have 58+ Senate seats. Trump is a fucking disaster. The Republicans were not in any state of collapse or at risk of losing nationwide elections before Trump. He didn’t save anything. He hasn’t accomplished anything. Anything you can think of was probably Mitch McConnell’s doing.

        1. Excuse me, but out choice came down to Trump or Felonious von Pantsuit.

          Given that choice I’ll take Trump and all of his judicial appointments.

          No go virtue signal somewhere else.

        2. No. Just imagine President Romney, & you’ll see that’s not true. (Either Romney!)

    4. Lol!

  4. n1ggerk1ller Sr. is a pussy.

    1. SIV is a Russian Troll right? Wasn’t he one of the first to call everyone cucks, and go all MAGA? Seems like he’s done his job. Half this site now thinks Trump is a libertarian.

      Well done comrade (do you all still refer to each other as comrade?).

  5. When we give up liberties they are very difficult to get back. A president without an effective opposition party and, perhaps more importantly, with a press uninterested in push back can do a lot of damage in four years. The question Flake and everyone else has to ask themselves is if Trump has done actual significant and long lasting damage to teh country.

    I have a news flash for everyone: THEY’RE ALL TERRIBLE. Not one candidate is good on every issue you care about. In fact, no candidate will govern the way you think they should on a majority of the issues important to you. If we are ultimately making this decision on the overt crassness of the man currently in office, I would suggest stop voting your emotions.

    1. Trump has an entire media and entertainment industry spending 100% of their effort trying to get rid of him. I’ll take that over the previous 8 years of a president starting wars and killing US citizens and spying on us and lying about everything, and a press and media completely complicit in it.

      A president with a hostile relationship with the press is far less dangerous than a president with a friendly relationship with the press. So far Trump hasn’t actually used state power to do much of anything against journalists, at least no more than Obama did.

      1. Obama actually secretly seized the phone records of the AP and James Rosen. I would argue that the feckless wonder was far worse than Trump. Trump has done nothing other than ban the disgraceful CNN bloviator from press conferences

        1. And how the fuck does a court rule that Acosta had his rights violated???
          He has no more right to attend daily briefings than you or I do.

    2. Thank you Fist; no there is no great man woman on person on fucking horseback that will swoop in like Santa Claus and solve all of our problems.

      As I’ve said before, I’ll take Trump with all his many faults [and judicial appointments]. Anything else is icing on the cake.

  6. The Welchie Boy of former senators.

  7. I condemn the death threats. But sorry, I’m still voting for Trump again.

    1. You’re not sorry. Just admit you like him. It’s normal to associate with a team. Most people do. And your team is the Republican Party.

  8. “As part of the former senator’s ground-losing fight for a conservatism that embraces free trade, welcomes immigrants, repudiates dictators, honors alliances, and eschews comportmental crassness, Flake …”

    Wow, Flake really IS the anti-Trump! I hope I get to be able to vote for Flake!

    1. I’m loving the love affair between cosmos and neocons. It’s been revealing

      1. The neocons have made mistakes, but nothing they’ve done comes anywhere near the violence and brutality of Drumpf’s draconian war on immigrants.

        #LibertariansForABetterGOP
        #PutTheNeoconsBackInCharge

        1. Are you kidding ? How many wars have been started by Trump versus Neocons… What draconian war on immigrants (legal) we still are accepting over a million a year … As far as illegals what number satisfies your desire to see tens of millions of under-educated people fleeing to this country to suck on the teet of public assistance? 40,50 or 100 million? People who may be good but with no desire to assimilate but rather drain this country of resources and turn it into a crap hole resembling their last home. Sorry no open border twit has ever given me number that will work for them. No borders no country and yet many Libertarians don’t care.

          1. Yes, s/he is kidding.

            1. It’s a he. Women arent funny.

        2. @OpenBordersLiberal-tarian Go fuck yourself stupid faggot dipwad, you think your “smart” and “smarmy” as a troll, you aren’t either, your just fucking dumb. I really wouldn’t shed a tear if you choked to death on your craft beer, hipster asshole. Fuck you.

          1. Looks like Reverend Hates Americans has a new sock puppet for when he’s really feeling his oats.

  9. If we’re being honest, Jeff Flake is pretty terrible on virtually every issue so I’m sure the LP is already trying to court him. His game of pretending to oppose Trump, while voting to reauthorize the warrentless wiretap collection program and opposing bills to restrain the president’s authority to wage war (while supporting bills to restrict the president from lifting sanctions against Russia), is getting really tired.

    Just give him the Bastiat prize and get it over with.

    1. Whoa, those things don’t sound too good about Flake… I was not aware of them…

      1. There are good Democrats (in Congress and the alternative news media) that Reason could be highlighting and talking about. Why they are so obsessed with a bad Republican, I will never understand.

        1. Of course you do!

        2. There are no good progressives just as there is no good cancer …

          1. He said “Democrats”. But you knew that.

        3. Just my opinion but if the moderates of both parties would unite to form a caucus they would become the most powerful caucus in the house. I’m just so fed up with the far right and far left though.

          1. “Moderate” is no more a political position than “Centrist”.

            Moderate just means “less archtypal”. A moderate Republican could have 0 in common with moderate Democrat, or a lot in common with them.

      2. He is a sad political example to me. If you look at his record as a Representative from Mesa he was much better. A good Goldwateresque Arizona Republican. When he became a Senator he really became worse. Why that is I do not know.

        1. Probably mentored by McCain.

          Did he actually change on positions, or did politics change around him, so that the new fights are on issues where he doesn’t represent the Republican base?

          Trump (and reality) has set an agenda that separates the Republican base from the Republican Globalist Uniparty establishment. It’s no longer enough to simply tsk tsk tisk Cuckservative style about the Left. With the Republicans with actual power, and a Republican President who ran in line with the priorities of the Republican base, the base now gets to see which Republicans are willing to use that power to further *their* policy preferences.

          It ain’t Flake.

          1. He definitely changed when he went to the Senate. He was a hardline fiscal conservative in the House and butted heads constantly with GOP leadership over their spending habits when the GOP had the majority. He went to the Senate and became a complete squish…started chumming up to the Democrats in the state, abandoned any pretense of fiscal conservatism.

            I suspect that it was all about trying to get elected to a statewide office. He made a big show when he was a rep about how he didn’t need the job, how he ran unopposed, and he wanted to walk away and go work on his ranch. And I suspect that was entirely bullshit…he was a conservative when he was working for a conservative constituency and he went left when he figured it would get him the Senate. He didn’t count on the GOP primary voters seeing him as a complete lying weasel.

  10. The former Arizona senator warns that anti-immigration rhetoric could make Republicans as unsuccessful nationwide as they are in California.

    Like Jennifer Rubin and Max Boot, Flake is on the short list of conservatives and Republicans who have retained their dignity in the Drumpf era. And he’s exactly right on this. Polls show American voters are rapidly warming to the Koch / Reason position on immigration. I predict the 2020 Democratic nominee will run and win on an explicitly open borders platform.

    1. What made them unsuccessful in California is that they lost that fight.

    2. We essentially have open borders now, but it doesn’t matter, demographically Mexico has won.

      Ann Coulter was right – “Adios America”.

      Just remember, all those Mexicans flooding the country are used to having a corrupt oppressive gov’t.

      Be careful what you wish for, it can get worse.

      1. Enjoy yourself, it’s later than you think.

        Honk Honk

    3. Like Jennifer Rubin and Max Boot, Flake is on the short list of conservatives and Republicans who have retained their dignity in the Drumpf era.

      Ok, I larfed. That one was pretty good.

      +1

    4. Jennifer Rubin is a progressive, Max Boot is slimy neocon and globalist, and Flake offers nothing. You don’t have to like Trump but these people are really scum. What happened to the Libertarian movement

      1. His posts are ironic. You’ve responded to like five of them already and haven’t realized he’s not serious l?

        1. In fairness to AER, the line between OBL’s parody and thoughts/arguments seriously put forth by progressives (even ones who call themselves “libertarians”) is pretty damn blurry.
          Indeed, I think OBL has recently struggled to keep up (still enjoy it though).

  11. Repudiating dictators is fine, but Flake’s foreign policy is neo liberal American exceptionalism.
    Just like most Reason contributors. People like Welsh and Young and others writing here endorse Flake’s worldview while polishing it a bit around the edges. They really espouse a kinder, gentler Empire, not an honest examination of neo liberal foreign policies. Their pro Enlightenment outlook can not understand how some nations are simply unable to embrace the so called universal values they espouse. America, Flake believes, only interferes in other countries elections to make sure they are free.
    If you are going to be for open borders, please refrain from going all neocon by opposing “foreign dictators”.

    1. “Their pro Enlightenment outlook can not understand how some nations are simply unable to embrace the so called universal values they espouse. ”

      The Universalists live in denial that people have different values, the Multiculturalists live in denial that it matters.

  12. Repudiating dictators is fine, but Flake’s foreign policy is neo liberal American exceptionalism.
    Just like most Reason contributors. People like Welsh and Young and others writing here endorse Flake’s worldview while polishing it a bit around the edges. They really espouse a kinder, gentler Empire, not an honest examination of neo liberal foreign policies. Their pro Enlightenment outlook can not understand how some nations are simply unable to embrace the so called universal values they espouse. America, Flake believes, only interferes in other countries elections to make sure they are free.
    If you are going to be for open borders, please refrain from going all neocon by opposing “foreign dictators”.

    1. They decided some years ago to identify Flake as libertarian, based on the scant info available at that time, & they’re sticking w it, all evidence since then to the contrary. Well, it’s also how Reason wants to brand itself as dissident; that’s one thing Flake’s good at being, dissident. Whoopee.

      1. “They decided some years ago to identify Flake as libertarian”

        Reason is in love with the right wing Globalist Corporatist Uniparty dead enders because they’re the libertarian feather of the Globalist Corporatist Uniparty.

        Corporate Profits Uber Alles!

  13. Of course, the reason why immigration will make Republicans as unpopular as they are in California are Mexican citizens and amnesty folks being given a vote in American elections, but nevermind that. And from the Reason point of view, that’s a good thing. After all, they have a natural right to be here so therefore everyone in the world really should get a say in our politics.

    /semi-sarc

    1. Mexican citizens are NOT allowed to vote in US elections.

      1. Apparently you haven’t been to a CA polling center.

      2. “Mexican citizens are NOT allowed to vote in US elections.”

        But they’re often encouraged to

      3. How can you say that with a straight face when nobody is even checking? Also, note the semi-sarc tag.

        I would, however, invite you to notice that illegal immigrants count towards the census and therefore empower a state via population. Even if you believe that no illegal immigrants or foreign nationals are voting in the election, that state gets more representatives because of them.

        It’s the very reason why the northern states wanted blacks counted as 3/4th’s of a person, in fact.

    2. Reason always manages to forget that Proposition 187 overwhelmingly passed the referendum vote.

      1. Pete Wilson literally won’t re-election on its back. It’s was then ruled unconstitutional and not implemented. We have no idea what a California politics would like if an extremely popular piece of legislation hadn’t been struck down by a judicial jaunta.

  14. Putz.

  15. I’ve told people that I would vote for Trump again over Hillary if that was the match up, but that if you showed me another Democrat candidate then you might get another answer.

    Well, so far looking at their pool I’ll go with Trump again.

    Anybody that would say a “Democrat” would be better when looking at their current crop of choses clearly has terminal TDS.

    Not that I don’t think Trump is an obnoxious boor, but I’ve gotten more from him (little as that is) than I suspect I would have gotten even from Ted Cruz (my preferred choice).

    Trump may be an imperfect vessel, but watching Liberals heads explode simply over his Presidency was probably worth it just at that.

    1. Democrat over Trump? Who? You don’t have to like Trump. I didn’t and I voted for Johnson despite his horrid VP pick. He hasn’t really been that bad. HRC would have figured out a way to screw this economy up,had us in a war with Syria and started a second amendment repeal. What is wrong with Libertarians these days?

      1. We Libertarians have a bunch of Lefties and anarchists trying to saboage the Libertarian movement from the inside.

        1. Agreed

    2. I’d consider Yang and Gabbard.

      Not that either are gaining traction, but Trump was a long shot at first too.

  16. The former Arizona senator warns that anti-immigration rhetoric could make Republicans as unsuccessful nationwide as they are in California.

    I want to like the guy, I really do – but this just shows how out of touch he is. He’s from *Arizona* FFS. Talk to those Republicans down in one of the Paradise country clubs and see how popular immigration reform is. Those people hide traffic cameras so they can keep track of where their gardeners are going because they’re scared shitless by Jose and Manuel.

    1. I no longer want to like Flake I just want him to go away. He is a turd. I am not sure how he got elected but considering the idiot progressive that took his seat I guess Arizonians have turned stupid.

      1. The heat + retired northerners = heat addled dementia.

        Hasn’t AZ always been a bit odd, though?

        1. A bunch of Commifornians have altered AZ politics.

    2. Trump’s approval rate among Hispanics is 51%. Flake is a racist who assumes Hispanics all think alike. They don’t. A lot of Hispanics object to open borders and will and do vote Republican when the candidate gives them a reason. Flake is a vapid moron.

  17. Dreadful. Good thing he’s no longer in office.

    In fairness, he may mean well (to a point). The problem is that he’s shallow, inclined to take dogma as self-evident truth, and willing to ascribe any disagreement to bad faith on the part of his opponents.

    Hearing him on immigration reminds me of reading the Wall Street Journal. When it comes to something like minimum wage increases, or employer-provided health care, or the like, the WSJ lays out a detailed and comprehensive critique, showing that it’s not quite as easy as that, and that there are downsides. Fair enough; there are tradeoffs. But when the topic switches to immigration, the WSJ switches to a gauzy, aspirational tone that somehow never deals with any tradeoffs or negative aspects, let alone consider specific numbers.

    When Flake said that he’s fighting for a conservatism that “welcomes immigrants”, what specific policies is he recommending? He was a co-sponsor of the Gang of 8 proposal that certainly would have welcomed very many immigrants (but was not too popular with the conservatism of conservative voters); does he still advocate that? Something less? Something more?

    We never hear. But that’s the way it always is with Flake: he refuses to be pinned down on details, policies and tradeoffs–all the stuff that conservatives ask for in other contexts–and instead prefers to remain at the level of slogans, sound-bites (always self-flattering), and dogma.

  18. Geez, what is it with Reason and their starry-eyed schoolgirl crushes on dorky milquetoast Republicans? It seems all you have to do to get on the cover of the libertarian version of Tiger Beat is to oppose Trump.

    And I am lol-ing at idea that the party of the Bush has “principles”. Good one, Jeff.

    1. *the Bush family.

      I was not trying to elicit salacious responses from Crusty and BUCS.

    2. RINOs like Flake are Democrats hiding to sabotage.

      Its all in their signalling that outs them as Lefties.

  19. I’m for a conservative that completely changes the make up of the United States every forty years picks endless fights with countries across the global for not embracing progressive values. But I will fight you to the death if you want to change the Forbes 500. Conserve generational wealth.

  20. Breaking:
    Flake is seriously afflicted with TDS!

  21. I’d like to see a Republican challenger. I really want to know whether conservative Americans are full-on Trump cultists or if he’s simply all they have to appoint theocrats to the bench right now.

    1. @Tony So you took time to type something fucking stupid and ill informed as usual, what? Did you need a break from sucking your boyfriend’s herpes infected cock? Fucking asshole.

  22. a man seen with a rifle scope at three different Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints locations in Arizona

    Wouldn’t this be called “Sunday” in some of these parts?

    1. Since it legal to carry anything in Arizona it would not be out of norms to see someone with a gun, also don’t latter day saints meet on Saturdays.

  23. So Flake went to a British paper to argue that more Central Americans need to be imported into the US…

    Sounds typical

  24. Glad he quit the Senate, before he got fired…

    Now, if he would just STFU.

  25. “Does anybody remember anything that Pete Wilson was able to do in the second term in California that justified the fact that, in the past quarter century now since Pete Wilson…won that second term, only Arnold Schwarzenegger, who later switched parties, and an insurance commissioner have been elected as Republicans statewide in California?” Flake asked. “There are no Republicans representing California from Orange County, Reagan Country, in Congress anymore. California may be a generation before they elect another Republican to office, because that Prop. 187 campaign, much like it has done elsewhere in the country, it can galvanize people for a while, maybe for a cycle or two, but in the end, it turns people off. It turns off minorities. It turns off women.”

    Flake’s off his rocker if he thinks the causality flowed in that direction. That’s like water’s flowing downhill is what holds the Moon in orbit.

  26. Shut up already, Flake.

  27. “Jeff Flake Reveals Death Threats, Says a Democratic President Would Be Better Than Trump
    The former Arizona senator warns that anti-immigration rhetoric could make Republicans as unsuccessful nationwide as they are in California.”

    Cucks gonna Cuck.
    Like a good Cuck, Flake preaches self immolation as salvation.
    Without immigration, Californy would still be putting Reaganites to the Governor’s Mansion.

  28. Jeez……This thread is really bad! Hate, hate, and more hate.

    Jeff Flake is a pretty good guy.

    Despite his not refunding my wayyyyy too early campaign donation for his run for Senate this year. And I did ask. No reply. I am pissed at him for that.

    Trump was going to “primary” him with some sorry-ass “R” candidate.

    That does not excuse Flake for not fighting. He seems to be just a think-tank guy.

    1. Trump didn’t need to primary him. Flake barely won his last election because the voters hated him, before Trump ever decided to run. His numbers had been awful since before the 2016 election. The GOP voters hated the guy because they saw him as a sellout and a liar. Trump was just Flake’s excuse for having zero chance to win re-election…the voters rejected Flake because they were tired of his schtick. Simple as that.

  29. His political career is over. thank God….
    He now has a new career as the night manager of the local Dairy Queen. a job befitting his skill set.

    1. Having been a Senator is no evidence he can manage a Dairy Queen. Unless the night manager’s job involves giving speeches about how good he is.

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  31. Jesus fuck “Reason”, Jeff Flake isn’t a fucking libertarian for the last fucking time, he isn’t even libertarian leaning, he is a ass sucking, fuckwad, big government, leftist, establishment Republican. Give me fucking break, this guy is fucking joke and I am glad he is gone. He is useless now and was useless then.

    1. +100

  32. Who cares what Flake says.

    Reason staff cares and that are about the only people.

  33. Who cares? Flake is a jackass.

  34. “A Sacred Victim Hates Trump”

    Journalism at Reason.

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