How To Costlessly Fix the Border Situation
Hand the migrants work visas.

One can debate whether the situation at the border is actually a crisis, as the Trump administration claims, but there is no question that in the last few months, the number of Central American migrants seeking asylum has seriously surged. This has strained processing capacity of frontline border agencies, forcing many of the migrants to be housed in seriously horrid conditions, including makeshift camps constructed from barbed wire under a bridge.
Part of the reason for the surge is that Trump's threats to shutdown the border and scrap asylum are prompting panicked Central Americans to bolt now, when they still have a prayer of getting in. Yet Trump's solution is to double-down on the shutdown threat. He is also pushing for more detention capacity and demanding that Congress close alleged loopholes in asylum laws that force parents with kids to be released within 20 days rather than being detained indefinitely, even though it costs taxpayers $319 a day per migrant to confine them.
But I propose a simple fix in The Week that won't hurt commerce with Mexico or cost American taxpayers a dime. At the same time, it will ensure that asylum seekers won't just disappear into the dark night if allowed in, while giving authorities more time to investigate their asylum claims.
It's called the MASHA (Make America Secure and Humane Again) visa solution. And it would involve handing migrants temporary work visas right off the bat— but—making renewal dependent on them showing up for scheduled asylum hearings.
Go here to read more about this win-win proposal.
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Yeah, Shikha says things that are just laughably stupid.
In this thread, chemjeff argues for over two hours that something everyone saw never happened.
And then, realizing that he admitted he argued for importing child rapists, chemjeff runs away like a scalded dog.
Shikha, you ignorant slut.
"Dalmia on borders: Fix them by stopping having them!!"
FFS.
I'm now past just mocking Reason, Inc. and wishing Postrel was back, to actively refusing to ever consider taking off my adblock, let alone donating.
No, Shikha, MASHA really should be named MAGA or Make Asses (out of) Gringos Again.
"And it would involve handing migrants temporary work visas right off the bat? but?making renewal dependent on them showing up for scheduled asylum hearings"
And how much will it cost when they decide to not show up for their hearing?
I double checked and this site is still called "Reason". It'd be nice to see a few contributors that apply this concept in their writings.
Re: Trumpista,
It doesn't cost anything. Immigrants come to the US with two good arms and a back tonwork and be productive. The unproductive people I've seen at underpasses carrying "Help A Veteran" signs are not immigrants, in case you even pretend you can argue differently.
Also immigrants show to their court appointments at a 89% rate. That's not me, that's what the State Department says.
Trumpista(*) .
(* Term of derision)
"The unproductive people I've seen at underpasses carrying "Help A Veteran" signs are not immigrants, "
How could you know that?
He doesn't. Mexican is a straight up racist who thinks Hispanics are the superior race.
Because no immigrant is a criminal. It is impossible to think a member of the superiuor Hispanic race would ever commit a crime or go on welfare.
"Also immigrants show to their court appointments at a 89% rate. That's not me, that's what the State Department says."
It also has nothing to do with an entirely different program, which this is. It's really not a surprise that people who invest great amounts of time and money, and know that they will lose it all of they fail to show up at a hearing, show up. That isn't in any way related to this program.
^^THIS^^
Unfortunately as long as Orange Hitler is President this country will continue to have draconian anti-immigrant policies. Fascism, in other words.
No because that doesn't help Make America White 'Great' Again!
Immigrants with work visas are going to date our womanfolk and takum er jebz. We can't have that.
/Trumpista
Yeah because someone having a VISA ensures they don't overstay or disappear into the night. Even if you are pro open borders, you have to admit that is a completely idiotic assertion.
Re John: Trumpista.
You can now stop the pretense that you and your fellow Trumpistas are OK with legal immigration.
You have long since stopped the pretense of being anything but a bigoted mouth breathing imbicile. "Legal immigration" doesn't mean you hadn a work VISA to anyone and everyone who shows up at the border. Objecting to that is not the same thing as objecting to all legal immigration. I would think even someone with your low IQ could understand that.
"Legal immigration" doesn't mean you hadn a work VISA to anyone and everyone who shows up at the border.
That's what it would mean if that's what the law says. Do you have a problem with the RULE OF LAW?
I have a problem with that being the law. And just because I don't want that to be the law doesn't mean I am against all forms of immigration.
Why are you allowing this topic to make you stupid?
"...making renewal dependent on them showing up for scheduled asylum hearings."
And of course the vast majority of illegal immigrants are those who entered legally but who then chose to remain illegally. I did not see anywhere in the article where Dalmia addressed that.
The other thing is that the only the honest ones would show up. The criminals would just walk away. You don't need a work VISA to be a criminal.
The other thing is that if you gave a work VISA to anyone who showed up, the resulting moral hazard would destroy the immigration courts' ability to adjudicate cases. It would be overwhelmed and most of those hearings would never happen. Even Dalmia is smart enough to know that. She is just pretending she doesn't as a way to hide the fact that she really wants totally open borders and thinks the US has no right to refuse entry or deport anyone.
Uh...no. Hand them work visas AFTER they have obtained employment. Set up a way for them to be hired BEFORE entering the US.
It's lovely to see Trumpistas ignore their own laws. In the US n employer cannot hire an immigrant legally, without the person receiving a work visa and a permit.
They can't hire them, but they can make them an offer. You then give them the VISA based on the offer and the employter can then legally hire them.
You really make this too easy.
What this guy said.
Employers can sponsor non-immigrant work visas. My wife came to the US on a H1-B.
They can sign an employment contract contingent upon receiving a visa. That can then be used as evidence of employment. Stop with the disingenuous crap guy.
The threat of closing the border causes potential illegal immigrants to rush in now, but walls don't work...really activates my almonds.
See "The Truth About Undocumented Immigrants and Taxes" (in quotes) in your Google search window will take you straight there, hit number one... AKA http://www.theatlantic.com/bus.....es/499604/ For details about us natives mooching off of the taxes of the illegal sub-humans?
OK, so WHAT does that mean? Dalmia's solution won't work! Because, pick your poison...
'A) The now-legal, were-illegal sub-human workers would NO LONGER be required to support native-born Americans in their old age, w/o the were-illegal sub-human workers now, NEWLY, no longer required to pay Social Security taxes on their jobs, w/o being able to benefit! Social Security then goes bankrupt that much faster, for lack of us being able to mooch off of the illegal sub-humans...
... or...
'B) We overtly admit that we are all moochers, and make the were-illegal sub-human workers sign on the dotted line, that they must support the geezers, w/o being able to to pull bennies. The painful honesty required of us moochers would KILL us all!!!!
Yes, because legal immigrant means the same as illegal immigrant and you can take the statistics from legal immigrants and just apply them to illegals.
That fallacy has been pointed out hundreds of times on here. Yet, the open borders fanatics still trot it out every time like it means anything.
Trump and His Trumpistas oppose every drop of brown blood coming in, legal or illegal. He and they only want immigrants from Norway and such.
http://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/1.....ies-norway
This is all well known for people who will look honestly...
We will only be left with Doctors and Lawyers from non-shithole nations, and no one will want to dig ditches or shovel shit. Does that look like it will work very well to you?
The race baiting is so tiresome. Very few people have any problem with anyone of any race coming here legally and being able to contribute, be it as a professional, through a skilled trade, or by providing useful labor.
Your characterization of anyone who opposes illegal immigration as inherently racist is nothing more than a chapter from a Democrat playbook.
I didn't say "anyone", I said "Trump and His Trumpistas", with a link to back it up. Big difference there...
Not really, when you categorize everyone who disgrees with you as "Trump and His Trumpistas" Old Mex.
Because you're obviously Old Mex.
So wait, you want to bring people here for the express purpose of digging your ditches and shoveling your shit?
If they want to... It's called "individual freedom" and the "free market". I'm tired of people yammering for higher-skilled immigrants and less low-skilled immigrants.
And WHY is that? Because dentists have the money and time with which to lobby (and hoot and holler in other ways) for protection of their racket, and limit the competition that they might face. Concentrated benefits and diffuse costs of special interests, as usual.
I notice that my lawn-mower-dude from Stanstanstanistan does NOT lobby for more protection of HIS racket... Which is why I would take this bullshit about wanting more high-skill immigrants and fewer low-skill immigrants, and stand it on its head, exactly inverting it... Reward the people who do NOT lobby to fuck us all over! And then open up our doctor-lawyer-dentist-etc. schools for more admissions and fewer bullshit standards... WHY in the HELL does my dentist need to know about the Krebs Cycle anyway... And let my lawn-mower dude study and practice up, and do my teeth for me!
"If they want to... "
That wasn't your argument. What you said was
"We will only be left with Doctors and Lawyers from non-shithole nations, and no one will want to dig ditches or shovel shit. Does that look like it will work very well to you?"
That is defintiely not "If they want to" especially the part where you ask "no one will want to dig ditches or shovel shit. Does that look like it will work very well to you?"
"We will only be left with Doctors and Lawyers from non-shithole nations, and no one will want to dig ditches or shovel shit. Does that look like it will work very well to you?"
If the racist-classist anti-anyone -born-in-a -shithole-nation crowd has it's way, which is NOT ME!!!
"If Hitler has his way, all the Jews will be burned"... OK, then that means I want to see all the Jews burned, right?
Besides getting all of the robots to dig our ditches and shovel our shit... (Ain't gonna happen affordably just yet)... Or getting rid of American welfare payments to get this to happen (ain't gonna happen with any Democrats or socialists in sight anywhere)... Then who do YOU propose is gonna dig ditches and shovel shit? Slaves?
""If Hitler has his way, all the Jews will be burned"... OK, then that means I want to see all the Jews burned, right?"
Nope, that wasn't your argument either. Keep flailing.
You
"I'm tired of people yammering for higher-skilled immigrants and less low-skilled immigrants."
You're arguing with a sockpuppet who cannot confine himself to the debate he is having and will say literally anything to avoid being wrong.
It's why, despite him clearly advocating for the importation of low skilled workers to shovel his shit, he's lying about wanting to import low skilled workers to shovel his shit.
Quoting his words won't help. He'll splatter a huge wall of shit everywhere in order to avoid admitting what we all saw him say.
Hi Tulpa. I see the usual bypassing of substance, and the usual flinging of childish insults. I've got work to do, like digging ditches and shoveling shit. Despite my being frail in my old age, I have to do these things for myself, because busy-bodies like to use the sticks and guns and jails of Government Almighty, to prevent my from hiring willing workers to do this for me.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to digging ditches and shoveling shit. It's actually far more productive than arguing with people whose minds are fossilized in dead stone.
So does everyone else
The Krebs Cycle sounds like it would give you crabs, right?
Who would want their dentist or their kids' dentist to have Krebs? Crap, I wouldn't want Tony's dentist or Sparky's dentist to have Krebs.
I want Tulpa's dentist to have Krebs!!!!
Of course you do you're mentally ill and wish harm upon other people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid_cycle Citric acid cycle AKA Krebs Cycle
We ALL have citric acid cycles, ignorant one! Or are you on some sort of a citric acid trip? Or more likely perhaps, a self-righteousness trip?
There you go againakingvstuoid assumptions, like I was responding to your entire instead of your proven historic behavior
Oops!!! You fucked up again!!!
"I'm tired of people yammering for higher-skilled immigrants and less low-skilled immigrants."
I don't care.
I don't care that you don't care.
EVERYONE PLEASE NOTICE MY VERY IMPORTANT OPINION ABOUT NOT CARING!!!!
Your caps lock tantrum proves otherwise.
Your inability to allow me to have the last word here, points out the truth that I wrote, if you read carefully between the lines... You have an ego problem. You lack humility. Humility is actually a virtue. For your own good, you might study up on, or at least think about, humility.
I thought we were trying to have a debate and enlighten ourselves, not have the last word.
At least, I was trying to have a debate and enlighten myself, you have made your motives clear. Take the last word if it calms your mind enough for you to function somewhat normally for a time.
"I don't care."
That's the only new thought you contributed. Thanks for nothing, you self-inflating blowhard!
"I was trying to have a debate and enlighten myself."
Your methods are every bit as effective at that, as is, taking therapy from your head voices! The therapy that will actually HELP you, has to come from a benevolent human being!
"I don't care" is a perfectly appropriate response to the not really useful "I'm tired of people yammering"
Sorry I hurt your feelings, but if you can't debate just say so.
You're arguing with a sockpuppet who cannot confine himself to the debate he is having and will say literally anything to avoid being wrong.
It's why, despite him clearly advocating for the importation of low skilled workers to shovel his shit, he's lying about wanting to import low skilled workers to shovel his shit.
Quoting his words won't help. He'll splatter a huge wall of shit everywhere in order to avoid admitting what we all saw him say.
Just look at how he responds to everyone. It isn't even coherent. He literally accuses other people of things he does multiple times.
Yes, I had gathered that he is a troll. Gaslighting seems to be his weapon of choice
He gets to bleat about the things "he is tired about people yammering" about, but if you were to point out everyone is tired of his incoherent yammering, to the point that the only people who talk to him are new or do it to kick him, and he loses his fucking mind even harder.
All right then, all you flavors of Tulpa... You STILL haven't addressed a simple question I asked, about the substances of the debate here...
Besides getting all of the robots to dig our ditches and shovel our shit... (Ain't gonna happen affordably just yet)... Or getting rid of American welfare payments to get this to happen (ain't gonna happen with any Democrats or socialists in sight anywhere)... Then who do YOU propose is gonna dig ditches and shovel shit? Slaves?
Can I get an answer? Or just more childish, egotistical, self-righteous name-calling?
Or just more childish, egotistical, self-righteous name-calling?
You shit everywhere, then pretend you haven't been sitting everywhere and accuse other people of shitting everywhere.
Gaslighting is exactly right.
Says he-she-or-it who adamantly refuses to discuss ANYTHING other than his-her-its VAST superiority over ALL other life-forms!
Therapy from your own head voices is clearly a big failure... Try something else PLEASE!!!
SQRLSY One|4.3.19 @ 3:57PM|#
Says he-she-or-it who adamantly refuses to discuss ANYTHING other than his-her-its VAST superiority over ALL other life-forms!
Oh we're debating again? I thought you wanted the last word?
I like to exchange genuine thoughts and opinions and jokes and informative links with my fellow adults. I'm not getting that right now...
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got work to do, like digging ditches and shoveling shit. Despite my being frail in my old age, I have to do these things for myself, because nosenheimer buttinsky busy-bodies like to use the sticks and guns and jails of Government Almighty, to prevent me from hiring willing workers to do this for me.
So I'm off to digging ditches and shoveling shit. It's actually far more productive than arguing with people whose minds are fossilized in dead stone, and who are far too stupid to actually have adult conversations with.
Ok you were gaslighting again.
Is it a surprise? Of course he was. He says things like "who are far too stupid to actually have adult conversations with" while also saying things like
It's the reason everyone treats him like a crazy shit covered bum.
" I have to do these things for myself, because nosenheimer buttinsky busy-bodies like to use the sticks and guns and jails of Government Almighty, to prevent me from hiring willing workers to do this for me."
Only if you want to use illegals. Otherwise you're just looking insane again.
He can't help it, being insane he actually thinks his schizophrenic rantings make sense. He clearly isn't aware of how his fugue looks to outside observers.
OK then, please explain to me, HOW am I going to get welfare recipients to shovel my shit for me? When their welfare checks get docked for every dollar that I pay them?
See? He lies about leaving, insults people who point out he's lying, and then goes full schizophrenic with that post.
He literally doesn't see how much he looks exactly like a shit covered ranting bum.
I learned my lesson when he couldn't keep track of his own arguments and began Godwinning in response to my questions. That's a pretty obvious giveaway that he's just a bad troll.
Well it's not just that, look at the post I quoted.
He says
people whose minds are fossilized in dead stone, and who are far too stupid to actually have adult conversations with.
After unironically posting this
It's a straight crazy shit covered bum level of disconnection in his thoughts.
He's not insane he's just a garden variety liar.
No you're wrong about that, yes he is a liar, but he's clearly not in full possession of his faculties. If you read any of his posts in any thread, it's clear he has a very tenuous grip on reality. Any unwillingness to fully brace his weird, paranoid delusions results in a torrent of schizophrenic outrage.
He can't control it. He's shit covered bum crazy and bad at hiding it.
So all of the various Tulpa socks are self-fellating their already-self-over -inflated selves, while refusing to actually post thoughtful or thought-provoking material. Just grade-school insults.
Is this supposed to somehow be exciting for me, or for any other reader?
PLEASE stop shit-posting!!!
PLEASE stop shit-posting!!!
/Irony
I looked "Tulpa" because he seems obsessed with it ( it doesn't appear in this thread anywhere other than his post) and it said:
Tulpa is a concept in mysticism and the paranormal of a being or object which is created through spiritual or mental powers
I was wrong. He's mentally ill. Have fun with him.
I'm Tulpa. It's a previous screen name, and yes, he's definitely mentally ill, just read his posts and look at his obsessed delusions about me.
"Tulpa is a concept in mysticism and the paranormal of a being or object which is created through spiritual or mental powers"
Yes, Tulpa thinks that he-she-it has magical ooga-boogo powers. Tulpa thinks that he-she-it can enslave the rest of us, through magical ooga-booga powers. Tulpa is mentally ill. Tulpa is in the grips of the Evil One. Tulpa will NOT listen to ANYONE who wants to help, because Tulpa is superior to all... Because he-she-it is Tulpa! Tulpa need NOT do ANYTHING productive, need not even refrain from endless shit-posting, all day, every day, because we should all fall down and admire Tulpa... Not because Tulpa has done ANYTHING useful... But because Tulpa is Tulpa! THAT alone should be ENOUGH for us petty, mere mortals!
Is it not clear to see that Tulpa = EVIL?!?
Schizophrenia is a kind of psychosis, which means your mind doesn't agree with reality. It affects how you think and behave. This can show up in different ways and at different times, even in the same person. The illness usually starts in late adolescence or young adulthood.
People with paranoid delusions are unreasonably suspicious of others. For some sufferers religious delusions or intense religiously-based irrational thinking may be a component of their symptoms, for instance they may believe that they have been sent by God to become a great prophet
Please read http://www.amazon.com/People-L.....0684848597 = M. Scott Peck, "People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil"
It might help you, if you're not too utterly far gone to be helped at all...
Schizophrenia is a kind of psychosis, which means your mind doesn't agree with reality. It affects how you think and behave. This can show up in different ways and at different times, even in the same person. The illness usually starts in late adolescence or young adulthood.
People with paranoid delusions are unreasonably suspicious of others. For some sufferers religious delusions or intense religiously-based irrational thinking may be a component of their symptoms, for instance they may believe that they have been sent by God to become a great prophet
Oh look, it's Tulpa the troll who has to be the center of attention and ruin every discussion with his trolling by virtue of his raging narcissism.
Thank Yew chemjeff radical individualist!!!
At least one fellow humanoid (today, there have been others) can see the truth of which I write!
I am actually hoping that Tulpa can thwart the narcissism that that attacks him-her-it, I am hoping that clear eyes and clear vision can win the day...
Schizophrenia is a kind of psychosis, which means your mind doesn't agree with reality. It affects how you think and behave. This can show up in different ways and at different times, even in the same person. The illness usually starts in late adolescence or young adulthood.
People with paranoid delusions are unreasonably suspicious of others. For some sufferers religious delusions or intense religiously-based irrational thinking may be a component of their symptoms, for instance they may believe that they have been sent by God to become a great prophet
Tulpa is actually a sad sad fellow. I don't think he gets out much. I do wish he would find some direction in his life where he had something more worthwhile to do than to sit around at reason.com all day and troll.
At least I don't want to import child rapsits like you do Jeff.
There you go. Why don't you cut and paste and troll some more and be even more obnoxious and get even more people pissed off at you.
You came up here to whine guy. But yeah, that's different because "chemjeff"
Gee by my estimation, I count 30+ instance of Tulpa the troll ruining the conversation by harassing SQRLSY and now me. Please troll harder, maybe you'll get this account banned too like you got the Tulpa account banned.
Shorter chemleft "do as I say not as I do"
Which is good because unlike you, I don't want to import child rapists
Finally something we can agree on! I don't want to import child rapists either.
Except you do and you're lying about it and we all saw it.
Then prove it.
You can't, because you are a liar who will say anything about anyone as long as you can keep the center of attention on yourself.
That I saw it? I saw it. There. Proven.
I saw you say you want to import child rapists.
Prove that I said it.
You can't.
Why would I care what someone who wants to import child rapists like you do thinks about anything?
So you don't care if it's a truthful statement or not? You're just going to accuse me of it regardless?
Huh, just as I thought.
It helps that it's true that I saw you argue that you want to import child rapists.
Maybe next you can accuse me of throwing babies into woodchippers. Wouldn't that be hilarious?
Probably, but it would be a lie.
Unlike the fact that I saw you argue for importing child rapists.
By the way I find it odd that you would even care anymore at this point that Obama ate a dog.
I find it odd that you think anyone would care that you think something is odd when you're a person who wants to import child rapists.
Or that I find it odd that Obama ate a dog. There you go making stupid assumptions because you have a poorly developed intellect and your reading comprehension is substandard.
Talk about poor reading comprehension.
You took a conversation that I had and completely wrecked it into this false narrative that I supposedly want to import child rapists.
Because you have only a casual relationship with the truth.
I never claimed to want to import child rapists. Period, end of story.
"Talk about poor reading comprehension"
Yes I'm talking about your reading comprehension and how it makes you a laughingstock. And how it sends you chasing straw men because you're too stupid to understand what you're sayong until you realize you argued you want to import child rapists.
"You took a conversation that I had and completely wrecked it into this false narrative that I supposedly want to import child rapists."
You'll notice everyone that he has stopped lying about it not happening and has pivoted to being misunderstood.
He knows he wants to import child rapists. So does everyone who saw him say so.
You'll notice everyone that he has stopped lying about it not happening and has pivoted to being misunderstood.
Oh, there absolutely was a conversation that involved the subject of child rapists. I'm not denying that. You ARE lying about the contents of that conversation. Never once in that conversation did I ever claim that I wanted to import child rapists.
And once again, if you think I'm wrong, then prove it.
You won't, because you CAN'T, because you don't care whether it is true or not, you will accuse me of something horrible regardless. Because that is who you are. You lie and gaslight and harass because you want to be the center of attention.
"Oh, there absolutely was a conversation"
We know, we saw it. We saw you argue for importing child rapists.
Funny how you finally stopped lying about it now.
We saw you argue for importing child rapists.
That is a lie.
No, I definitely saw it. I saw you argue for importing child rapists.
I saw you argue for importing child rapists.
Then prove it.
"chemjeff radical individualist|4.3.19 @ 7:46PM|#
You'll notice everyone that he has stopped lying about it not happening and has pivoted to being misunderstood.
Oh, there absolutely was a conversation that involved the subject of child rapists. I'm not denying that blah blah blah weaksauce equivocation"
You admitted it. Not that I needed you to, I saw you argue for importing child rapists.
That's not advocating for importing child rapists.
Prove that I did.
You can't.
That's you admitting it and screeching "weaksauce justification you misunderstood!!" which of course no one believes.
Because you know we saw you argue for importing child rapists.
This, however, isn't a lie.
That is how much you really give a damn about ANYONE here, not just me. You don't give a shit about anyone. We are all just screen pixels to you, not people. Just objects for your amusement. Pretty sad, really.
I don't care that you're sad about it either jeff. Lol.
I do care that you're disgusting and that I saw you argue for importing child rapists. It's fun to kick you for it because of how abominable you are.
I don't care that you're sad about it either jeff. Lol.
I do care that you're disgusting and that I saw you argue for importing child rapists. It's fun to kick you for it because of how abominable you are.
I saw you argue for importing child rapists.
Lying liars are gonna lie.
This is for you Tulpa
http://www.psycom.net/narcissi.....order-test
"Lying liars are gonna lie"
Yes jeff, we know, we've met you.
I do care that...
bullshit. You don't give a shit about anyone at all here, least of all me.
Lol you even fuck that up. No one is surprised though because we saw you argue for importing child rapists.
Of course you say that, you'll accuse anyone of anything.
You can't prove it because you know it's a lie.
You're just trying to push a narrative and gaslight people.
And your constant vociferous protests aren't damning or anything.
No, you know it's true. You argued to import child rapists, and now you've admitted it. It's why you're so frantic.
I never admitted to wanting to import child rapists. That was an outright fabrication from you.
I never claimed to want to import child rapists.
I'm frankly tired of your dirty lie that you spread about me every single time.
And there you go trying to push another narrative. "He denies it, therefore he's guilty!" LOL it is so transparent at this point.
"chemjeff radical individualist|4.3.19 @ 7:46PM|#
You'll notice everyone that he has stopped lying about it not happening and has pivoted to being misunderstood.
Oh, there absolutely was a conversation that involved the subject of child rapists. I'm not denying that blah blah blah weaksauce equivocation"
You admitted it. Not that I needed you to, I saw you argue for importing child rapists.
Protest more though. It's totally working.
There was a conversation about child rapists. At no time during this conversation did I ever advocate for importing child rapists. Clear enough?
Now, prove if you can that I did advocate for such a thing.
"chemjeff radical individualist|4.3.19 @ 8:26PM|#
There was a conversation about child rapists"
We know we saw you argue for importing them. You admit it yet again.
Protest more though. You don't look like s fucking idiot asking a troll why he's trolling you.
we saw you argue for importing them
Prove it.
I saw it.
There you go.
Where did you supposedly see it? Post the relevant quotation.
I know what I saw you argue.
But please, keep protesting it totally doesn't make you look stupid and guilty as fuck.
What you claimed to have seen is not the same as what I actually wrote.
So, why don't you post the relevant quotation so that your faulty memory can be refreshed.
"What you claimed to have seen is not the same as what I actually wrote."
And there you are with that lameass weaksauce equivocation again.
But protest more you're making headway I'm sure. That is, if you had ang credibility after everyone saw you argue for importing child rapists.
So that is the narrative that you're pushing. You can't prove that I actually said what you claim that I said, so instead, you'll try to destroy my credibility so that anyone believes anything about me, including all of your outrageous lies.
That's certainly consistent with your NPD. Get help, really.
And with that I am going to eat dinner.
Jeff, I would be wasting my time trying to destroy soemthing you lit on fire when you argued for importing child rapists.
But you know that. It's why no one engages you, and you're the butt of jokes.
And now you're running because you realize how you look after 2+ hours of arguing that we didn't see what we saw.
That being, that you wanted to import child rapists.
Now run bitch. You got punked and you're a coward so run away and remember that you never get to post here without being reminded that you argued to import child rapists.
It's funny how you get proof and then change what you ask for.
It's funny how you didn't prove what I demanded that you try to prove.
It's funny how you think you get to demand anything.
I saw you argue for importing child rapists. Demand harder.
"The solution to this impasse is easy. My opponents should just unconditionally surrender."
What's the over/under that Dalmia mocked Bush when he proposed something similar?
The moment this topic becomes about Human Beings, rather than political tactics for both parties, is the moment solutions will start to take place.
I was a legal worker that followed the system, became a Resident of the United States, and now I own and operate my own business....it is the American Dream, but there are steps that have to be followed.
Thank you; I think many of those who advocate for open borders are largely virtue signaling. They see themselves as sufficiently removed so as to not be directly affected by all of the unintended [but certainly anticipated] consequences. Then there are those who simply see a new demographic whom they expect to vote according to their expectations.
The thing that reason never wants to admit is that unless you just give anyone who shows up a green card, something that could charitably be described as insane, you will always have a need for border security since you will still have people whose entrance you have denied.
People from south of the border are not human beings. They aren't asylum seekers or immigrants or even illegal aliens, they are invaders, invaders bent on destroying America and they need to be stopped NOW. With machine guns and land mines and drone strikes - whatever it takes. Building a wall only begins to address the problem of the barbarian hordes invading our country, the wall is going to have to be garrisoned if you want it to be effective - fortified, thermal cameras and heat-seeking missiles, watchtowers, gun emplacements, the whole bit. Only when we start getting serious about stopping this flood of tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free by killing a few thousand or a few tens of thousands of them will they get the message that their subhuman asses are not welcome here. Who gives a fuck if they say they only want a better life for themselves and their families, this is America, goddammit, what's in it for us? If you're not helping Make America Great Again - as all good citizens should have as their topmost patriotic duty to the Homeland - but only interested in helping yourself, you're a poor excuse for an American. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and the welfare of the collective comes before the desires of the individual. And if you don't believe that with all your heart and soul, you're probably one of those goddam filthy libertarians.
What's the point of stupid shit like your post?
Trolling.
The irony of this post is that it applies equally well to pro open borders. Are you harmed by immigration? Too bad, the needs of the many and society's need for cheap labor renders your interests morally illegitimate.
It is funny as hell Jerry doesn't understand that and thinks it only applies to the other side.
the needs of the many and society's need for cheap labor renders your interests morally illegitimate
Sorry, but the border wall proponents are the collectivists. A libertarian is going to advocate for the individual rights of each individual that chooses to move from one patch of land to another. It has nothing to do with the "needs of the many."
Sorry but your policies have negative consiquences too. And you don't argue "hey these are worth the price". You say that anyone suffering from those consiquence has no moral standing to complain. It is, in Libertarians' view, those people's duty to suffer for the collective good and so that other people may be free. You can rationalize it and pretend it is otherwise all you want, but that is what you are doing. You are fine with putting a boot on people's face and telling them they have no say in their own government, as long as that boot is giving you what you want.
Sorry but your policies have negative consiquences too.
Yes, they do. And?
The exercise of liberty has negative consequences. That is the price we pay for liberty.
Re-read your paragraph and imagine that it was written by a gun-grabber trying to justify taking away someone's gun rights. It works just as well.
If having a robust regime of gun rights means that we have to tolerate misuse of that liberty, often with deadly consequences, why should immigration be any different?
Or, say, ownership of knives. Or cars. Or pools. Or anything else that can potentially cause harm.
Why is immigration any different, John?
Hey look Jeff is here to take up the "import more child rapists" mantle again.
Prove it.
Stop trying to import child rapists. You infest every fucking immigration thread with that shit.
No, you do. Prove it, troll.
Stop lying. You want to import child rapists.
You are the one who keeps bringing it up, not me.
You are the one who disrupts everyone's conversations in order to satiate your narcissism.
Just go away. You are an annoyance and a pest.
You don't bring it up because you're ashamed of how stupid you sound advocating for it.
And I intend to keep it that way you pathetic whining child rapists importing piece of trash.
You are lying. I never advocated for importing child rapists. That is a lie that you continue to smear about me. You on the other hand enjoy destroying other people's conversations in order to satisfy your narcissism.
Look at what you are doing to SQRLSY right now. You're accusing him of suffering from schizophrenia. You have no idea if that is true or not, but you don't care. You'll accuse anyone of anything as long as it means keeping the center of attention on yourself.
"You're accusing him of suffering from schizophrenia."
Actually you lying child rapist importing piece of trash, I'm simply pointing out parallels. This is why everyone hates you. You translate your own ignorance and poor reading comprehension into whatever you need to to suit you at that moment.
And you want to import child rapists.
No one believes that weaksauce justification. Of course you think he is suffering from schizophrenia, there is no other reason to bring it up. You are the hated one around here because you destroy every thread you participate in with your trolling and your lies and your desire to be the center of attention.
Right, you were wrong again and make excuses. That is what no one believes. You're a running joke with that shit at this point. Everyone who discourses with you knows to expect it. It's why you get run off and the only people who talk to you tell you how stupid and disingenuous you are King Straw Man.
Stop trying to import child rapists Jeff.
You are such a liar. Of course you are accusing him of suffering from schizophrenia and no one buys this "just making parallels" bullshit excuse. You got called out on it and now you are trying to walk it back with what you usually do, deflect in another direction and then continue on with your trolls and your lies and your gaslighting. You're a pathetic little boy who really needs to find some direction in his life that is more rewarding than this nonsense that you do here on a daily basis. Find a career or something.
I'm sorry you made a fool of yourself with your typical poorly thought out assumptions. It's one of the reasons you're a joke who is beneath being conversed with by the normal commetators.
Your desire to import child rapists is another.
There you go, lying and gaslighting again.
The only joke around here is why you haven't been banned completely yet.
You're the one who consistently resorts to "you're lying" when you're proven wrong. You just did it. You get things wrong then accuse other people of lying because you want ot hide it.
And unlike you, I've never been banned from any website. Probably because I don't want to import child rapists like you do.
You have yet to prove me wrong.
Go ahead, prove that I supposedly want to import child rapists.
"No one believes that weaksauce justification."
That's you, tacitly admitting I caught you lying and going for you standard "LIAR!" dodge when you get caught being wrong.
You assumed, stupidly, got caught, stupidly, and then needed SOMETHING because you know you were wrong.
But I wouldn't expect anything else from you because I saw you argue that you want to import child rapists and you already admitted it upthread.
No one believes that you weren't accusing SQRLSY of suffering from schizophrenia. This "just making parallels" crap is nonsense. Of course you were. But you aren't man enough to admit what you were really doing so you use it as yet another pretext to cast blame on me and accuse me of something that you know full well is bullshit.
You will accuse anyone of anything if it means keeping your raging narcissism flowing.
"No one believes"
YOU. YOU don't. But that's because your ego is so weak and your self esteem so stunted that you can't ever admit you were wrong despite irrefutable evidence.
It's just you doing your standard "LIAR!" dodge that makes you anathema to commentators. It's why you're a joke despite being OHSOSERIOUS!!!
That and the fact that we saw you argue for importing child rapists.
No one with a brain believes that you weren't accusing SQRLSY of suffering from schizophrenia.
your ego is so weak and your self esteem so stunted that you can't ever admit you were wrong
Like you accusing me of wanting to import child rapists, absent proof?
I think your player queen like performance and upthread admittals are more proof than you're comfortable with.
But protest more and louder. It's certainly convincing someone probably...
Prove that I claimed that I wanted to import child rapists. I never did, you know I never did. You are just pushing this LIAR LIAR narrative in order to avoid admitting that you are the liar here.
Protest more player queen, we all know what we saw.
Oh you saw what you wanted to see all right.
But people with reading comprehension skills saw that I never advocated for importing child rapists.
You however demonstrate your raging narcissism and your lack of consideration of the truth and your willingness to treat everyone here, not just me, as a monkey whose purpose is only to dance for your amusement.
"The jeffy doth protest too much, methinks"
Everyone who saw you argue for importing child rapists.
"But people with reading comprehension skills saw that I never advocated for importing child rapists."
Prove it.
The burden of proof is on you. You are the one who keeps spreading the filthy lie about me. So where is your proof?
No jeff, YOU claimed "people with reading comprehension skills saw that I never advocated for importing child rapists."
And now you're making excuses because you can't prove it.
I note that you don't actually deny your raging narcissism or your complete lack of empathy for everyone around here. Why do you think that is so?
Because it's true and unlike you I don't lie about myself.
Didn't YOU bitch that I was making this all about me? Wow, you're being a hypocrite again.
Did you take the NPD test? How did you score?
So, you really want me to engage your hypocrisy?
Weird how you bitched repeatedly that I have to make things about me.
And that I saw you argue for importing rapists.
Yeah, I think we all knew you wouldn't respond to that.
"No one with a brain"
Please stop appropriating my culture jeff.
Because immigration involves a border and two sovereign countries?
Jerryskids has wisdom and pro-Americanism, yeah for him!!!
Sad to say, he doesn't see the FULL extent of the benevolent Wisdom offered to us by our own Native-Born Orange-Haired Wonder!
Anyone recall the Iran-Iraq wars of the 1980s? Lots of it was fought in low-laying salt-water marshes. Very tough terrain for Iraqi military vehicles... And it is expensive to bring in bunches of rocks or logs to raise up the mud to make roads. But there were BUTTLOADS of Iranian corpses just laying around for free! So the Iraqis just limed 'em up (for rot-proofing), and lined 'em up and laid 'em down to make roads! Lime 'em up, line 'em up, lay 'em down!
So we can soon expect Der TrumpfenFuhrer to steal a page from the Iran-Iraq war! The Mexicans won't pay for His Walls?!? Make raids on Mexican peasant villages, round up conscript wall-building labor, and build the wall out of the limed-up corpses of illegal sub-humans!!! (Or at least the top-rim of the wall, for max psychological intimidation). For every American soldier killed in the effort, there will be reprisal shootings of 200 more illegal un-Americans!
Don't say no one warned you of what is coming! Trump wants to "win" at any costs!
Schizophrenia is a kind of psychosis, which means your mind doesn't agree with reality. It affects how you think and behave. This can show up in different ways and at different times, even in the same person. The illness usually starts in late adolescence or young adulthood.
People with paranoid delusions are unreasonably suspicious of others. For some sufferers religious delusions or intense religiously-based irrational thinking may be a component of their symptoms, for instance they may believe that they have been sent by God to become a great prophet
That is an even more insane conspiracy theory than the Putin Puppet one.
Build refugee camps. Let them trade among themselves and the outside word but they stay in there until they can speak English, agree to behave according to our major cultural norms, agree not to commit crimes, learn how to drive (if they want to get a car) and have an American sponsor who has to put up a bond of some amount that will be forfeited if the refugee gets themselves in trouble. Which includes dropping off the grid.
Then they can get a visa and get on the path to citizenship.
They can opt to be sent home at any point though. But they won't be allowed back.
Hand the migrants work visas.
Let's hand out work visas to the homeless people.
"forcing many of the migrants to be housed in seriously horrid conditions, including makeshift camps constructed from barbed wire under a bridge."
reminiscent of what Jimmy Carter had to do with the influx of Cubans, in the late1970's. Funny how everyone forgets what a disaster that micro experiment with open boarders was. And this was 1 small island country, whose dictator was savvy enough to cleanse his society by helping the undesirable to emigrate via gunpoint.
Another little factoid that's overlooked. If boarders are open what's to stop a despot from removing their countrymen for reasons of health, metal and physical, sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. etc.? Just like Castro did.
The answer to your question is absolutely nothing. If Dalmia were to ever get her way, any country in the world could rid itself of its sick, infirm and criminal by just sending them to the US. Yeah, that would work out well.
Or just because they were the wrong ethnicity, religion, or political affiliation. Lots and lots of people around the world are unwanted by their regimes.
Just because wet pavement correlates with rain doesn't mean you can costlessly cause rain by pissing on the sidewalk.
They just overstay their visas, Shikha, you dum-dum.
Think about the logic of this for a moment. Dalmia thinks that taking away their status if they don't show up is a deterent to not showing up. But, if you do show up, chances are you will lose your claim of asylum, the vast majority of such claims are denied, and get deported right then. So, why on earth would anyone ever show up?
Land mines would also work quite well, but alas...
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Oh but there is more. If you handed out work VISAs to anyone who showed up at the border, the number of migrants would explode. And giving all of those people immigration hearings would grind the entire system to a stop and make it impossible for anyone else to get a VISA because the system would be so overwhelmed.
It is pretty clear that she thinks there should be a totally different standard for Central Americans who rush the border and face spending time in detention, because 1] that is just too inhumane and 2] gives impetus for a wall to keep them out.
Old Mex will be along shortly to call you a racist for daring to suggest our friends to the south have the ability and wherewithal to follow the process that you described.
Maybe then the problem is with the process itself.
That's the objective.
Or child rapists. And importing them. Like you want to.
Shoo, pest.
Stop trying to import child rapists You infest every fucking immigration thread with that shit.