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Google Finds Unexpected Gender Gap in Worker Pay: Reason Roundup

Plus: Why laws to fight sex trafficking often backfire and Sen. Harris hedges on Trump money.

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Gender gap in Google pay goes against prevailing perceptions. For years, folks have insisted that Google underpays its female employees. The U.S. Department of Labor even opened an investigation into just that matter two years ago. But according to a new analysis from Google, it's actually male staffers who may be missing out.

According to a Department of Labor assessment in early 2017, Google engaged in "systemic compensation disparities against women pretty much across the entire workforce." Janet Herold, the department's regional solicitor, told The Verge at the time that the investigation was ongoing but they had "received compelling evidence of very significant discrimination against women in the most common positions at Google headquarters."

The idea that this is an ongoing problem at Google has persisted. But according to the company's latest yearly survey, more men were facing lower pay relative to women doing similar work.

The study "disproportionately led to pay raises for thousands of men," reports The New York Times.

The fact that things needed to be corrected for pro-woman bias should be seen as a good sign for women's stature and progress in the tech sector. But the study has yielded little celebration from professional gender-equality advocates.

Astonishingly, some are insisting instead that the study only masks much deeper discrimination by focusing on things like "equal pay for equal work." From the Times again:

Google seems to be advancing a "flawed and incomplete sense of equality" by making sure men and women receive similar salaries for similar work, said Joelle Emerson, chief executive of Paradigm, a consulting company that advises companies on strategies for increasing diversity. That is not the same as addressing "equity," she said, which would involve examining the structural hurdles that women face as engineers.

Google has denied paying women less, and the company agreed that compensation among similar job titles was not by itself a complete measure of equity. A more difficult issue to solve — one that critics say Google often mismanages for women — is a human resources concept called leveling. Are employees assigned to the appropriate pay grade for their qualifications? The company said it was now trying to address the issue.

If women do face discrimination in starting pay, that's certainly something worth looking at, too. But it's ironic to see some "equal pay" advocates now arguing for more nuance on the issue, when these same activists insist on lumping together all workers at all levels to make misleading proclamations like women getting only 49 cents or 77 cents for every dollar men make.

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  • "Why laws to fight sex trafficking often backfire." Hallie Lieberman explains how anti-sex trafficking efforts (formerly called "white slavery," now often referred to as "modern slavery") from the Mann Act of 1910 to the Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) that passed last year are rooted in "racial panic" and "fears of immigration, not combating sexual violence." (For more on this history and its current iterations, check out my 2017 Reason story, "American Sex Police.")
  • Harris hedges on Trump money. Donald and Ivanka Trump both donated to Sen. Kamala Harris' campaign for attorney general of California, with him giving $6,000 in 2011-2013 and Ivanka giving $2,000 in 2014. Harris' office told The Sacramento Bee that she had donated the money to a nonprofit promoting the rights of Central Americans. But the Bee reports that this donation didn't happen until four years after Donald Trump first funded Harris.
  • Senate has the votes to rebuke Trump. It looks like a congressional resolution overturning President Donald Trump's declaration of national emergency will really happen. The measure passed the House last week but still needs a vote in the Senate. And with Republican Sens. Rand Paul (Ky.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Susan Collins (Maine), and Thom Tillis (N.C.) joining Democrats in favor, the resolution has enough votes to pass. If so, it will "apparently be the first time since passage of the National Emergencies Act of 1976 that Congress has voted to overturn an emergency declaration," notes The New York Times.
  • Our forgotten culture wars: The American Family Association is feeling betrayed by Walmart after an online ad campaign featured two men on a blind date.
  • A bittersweet announcement: Law & Order: Hate Crimes is being postponed.
  • More immigrant requests are being denied. The number of immigrants deemed ineligible for permanent residence here rose 39 percent between fall 2016 and fall 2018, according to a new National Foundation for American Policy analysis of State Department data. Denials of temporary visas were also up by 5 percent.
  • What's next for the NSA? "The National Security Agency is considering ending a once-secret surveillance program that annually collects hundreds of millions of telephone call records, including those belonging to Americans, because it lacks operational value," reports the Wall Street Journal. Conor Friedersdorf with the cynical but wise response:

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  1. Gender gap in Google pay goes against prevailing perceptions.

    So now the men won’t even let the women have this issue.

    1. Google? More like Cuckle. Am I right, fellas?

      1. It is nice to know that most of these beta males will not be reproducing

        1. Oh, they’ll reproduce. They’ll just wait until they are 45 and get IVF.

        2. Most of these “beta males” have very high intelligence. So if they don’t reproduce, that is not good for the species.

          1. Most of these “beta males” have very high intelligence. So if they don’t reproduce, that is not good for the species.

            Yeah, but that high intelligence has been cultivated at the expense of most of their social skills. Short of breeding test tube babies, evolution was going to weed them out anyway.

            1. They make a lot of money. That makes up for a lot of the lack of social skills when it comes to finding a mate.

              1. Making money is the primary social skill that matters for a man when it comes to finding a mate.

          2. They’re good at taking tests and following orders. Evolution DGAF about that

    2. Trying to manage individual compensation while attempting to equal out gross statistics is a neverending fool’s errand.

    3. Hello.

      Is Rufus on vacation?

  2. Matt “Welchie Boy” Welch finally goes off the deep end and shows his true colors, calling for an organized mass murder of conservatives on Twitter.

    Like I’ve said before, Twitter is pretty useful in that it’s the place where these scumbags will often tell you what they really think.

    1. WTF? Is that supposed to be funny? Has he lost his mind?

      1. I think that’s a pretty clear “Yes”.

        1. He should be out find Seth Rich’s killer.

          1. First he needs to locate the Twitter hacker who got into his account.

      2. What is the context of that supposed to be?

    2. And just when we are having a national conversation about common sense sword, knife and crossbow control.

      1. And pole axes. Don’t forget the pole axes and halberds.

      2. Imagine if someone like Sean Hannity said that now would be a good time for all the Professional Fake Libertarians of Reason to be gathered together in one place so they could all be massacred.

        I’m pretty sure that none of them would find that even the slightest bit amusing. And that bespectacled jerkoff would be spluttering with more rage than any of them.

        1. If Tuccille is included in that gathering, the attackers wouldn’t stand a chance.

          1. He’s not stupid enough to attend.

          2. Are you saying 2-chilli is the most combat-ready Reason contributor? What about The Jacket? It eats people for sustenance, after all.

            1. And don’t forget Robby’s ferocious guard dogs.

              1. Robby’s hair would mesmerize his attackers into a stupor and make them lovers instead of fighters.

                1. Then he sics his attack yorkies on them

    3. Maybe he’s upset he didn’t get invited to one of THEIR cocktail parties.

    4. It must be frustrating to see people you hate pushing libertarian agendas and gaining popularity while your friends promote socialism and killing newborns.

    5. Does Welch know that one of the primary conspirators of the Red Wedding had his throat cut and children chopped up into a pie (and pretty much every member of his immediate family poisoned), and the other died of a crossbow bolt to the heart while sitting on a shitter?

      Just saying, he might want to be careful about his analogies and where they lead.

      1. Besides, I thought the only conservative writers who attended cocktail parties were the neocon NeverTrumper whores. Is Welch calling for Bill Kristol to have his head cut off and replaced with his dog’s?

        1. At this stage, I think TDS has Welch and his pals so jumbled in the brain, they don’t know which way is up.

    6. Hey look, some guy named Domestic Dissident is really giving it to him. Who is that heroic being?

      1. The Journo-list Avenger!

    7. Poor Matt Welch.

      These last 2 years has really been hard on him and his Lefty sensibilities.

      The Trump era has rolled back so much Socialist policy that Welch is trying to channel Game of Thrones and does not even realize that he and his Lefty cohorts are the bad guys.

      1. I know that the idea of a pussy like him trying to shoot someone with a bow and arrow or engaged in hand-to-hand to combat with medieval forged weaponry is almost comical.

        But seriously though, who even thinks something like this, much less outright says it? Guys like Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, and Chairman Mao, that’s who.

    8. The Right Remembers!

  3. Harris’ office told The Sacramento Bee that she had donated the money to a nonprofit promoting the rights of Central Americans.

    This situation certain puts the fun in fungible.

  4. Senate has the votes to rebuke Trump.

    WHAT PART OF EMERGENCY DO THEY FAIL TO UNDERSTAND?

    1. Consider yourself rebuked. For the rest of the day.

  5. Law & Order: Hate Crimes is being postponed.

    Damn you, Smollett!

    1. GET ME REWRITE!

    2. In the criminal justice system, there are two separate yet equally important groups: Those who commit hate crimes, and those who fake them for liberal street cred. These are their stories. DUHN DUHN

    3. They realized they would be writing fiction about largely fictional events?

      1. Yet still ripped from the headlines.

  6. Gender gap in Google pay goes against prevailing perceptions.

    Speaking of Google fucking up.

    Illustration: Soohee Cho/The Intercept
    Google Employees Uncover Ongoing Work on Censored China Search

    1. It’s actually pretty encouraging that their employees are vehemently against this project.

      1. It legitimately led to walk outs here.

        1. “Here”? Does that mean what I think it means?

          1. IIRC, BUCS moved to CO for some Google thing.

        2. BUCS is a Googler?

      2. They’re against the customer, not technology.

      3. Google employees are not necessarily against Socialism.

        I do wonder how many Gemployees realize that their company is circling the drain.

  7. The National Security Agency is considering ending a once-secret surveillance program that annually collects hundreds of millions of telephone call records, including those belonging to Americans, because it lacks operational value…

    Ya boring, callers!

    1. I think they are ending it because it has proven to be of no value. If it were, they would have long since leaked all of the evil terror plots it has helped stop. The fact that there have been no such leaks is pretty definitive proof it has been of no practical use.

    2. THEY are saying that they are ending the program.

      You cannot trust a single thing coming out about stuff like this.

      These agencies are still purposefully violating the Constitution and the rights protected under the 4th Amendment.

  8. Google seems to be advancing a “flawed and incomplete sense of equality” by making sure men and women receive similar salaries for similar work, said Joelle Emerson.

    What a joyless bitch she is.. I’ll bet she’s great at parties.

  9. Clinton camp stews over Sanders 2020 campaign

    I know its Politico but I figure we should hear from the Donkey’s mouth about how mad Hillary is now that she is almost definitely not running in 2020.

    1. Another interesting one from Politico.

      Link

      Ms. Omar just can’t seem to help herself can she?

      1. Expecting her not to make anti-Semitic remarks would be like transporting an 1850s Mississippi slave trader into today’s House of Reps and expecting him not to make racist remarks.

      2. “House Democrats shocked that Somali Muslim continues to speak what most Muslims think about Israel.”

      3. The Democratic Party choosing Muslims over Jews is hilarious.

        Add that to Black Americans leaving the Democratic Party.

        Implosion, I tell ya.

    2. She’s definitely probably maybe not running, but lucky for us, she’s not going away.

  10. The American Family Association is feeling betrayed by Walmart after an online ad campaign featured two men on a blind date.

    They must have been pretty amused when it turned out neither of them was a woman!

    1. Something like Pat and Chris, I bet. Or Taylor and Taylor.

      1. She gets all the hotties.

  11. A bittersweet announcement: Law & Order: Hate Crimes is being postponed.

    That’s disappointing. We need TV shows to help illustrate how terrible things are in Drumpf’s America. And hate crimes are at an all-time high because Drumpf has emboldened white supremacists.

    #IBelieveJussie

    1. At least we still have The Handmaid’s Tale to show what this country will look like if Drumpf is not removed from office soon.

  12. Does the NSA now have a new secret tool that made this older, exposed tool redundant?

    Echelon and Carnivore were 1990s level equipment. Now the NSA just asks AT&T to fork over all your information, and they roll over like a puppy.

  13. http://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/…..ium=social

    NPR further shows why reality has surpassed The Onion.

    1. I’m not sure whether I should be laughing or mortified.

    2. “It just was quiet for a little while,” Walter Tendler recounted, “and then he just sits up in bed halfway and looks at me and he goes, ‘S***, I’m not going to see the Mueller report, am I?’ And that was really the last coherent thing that he said.”

      That is fucking hilarious

      1. What a rotten existence that guy must have led.

      2. And kind of sad. You want to spend your last moments alive thinking about stupid political shit?

        1. It is very sad but you an’t help but laugh at the same time. I give it 50 50 that it is even true. It totally sounds like something some doofus Prog reporter would make up. It is just the grandpa version of the “my five year old is terrified about Trump…” stories they are always conjuring up.

          1. Yeah, does sound made up.

        2. What a perfect encapsulation of our ClownWorld society–this joker’s last days weren’t spent being grateful for the life he led or the comfort of his family. He spent them being emotionally wrapped up in a political circus that had no actual impact on his life at all.

          1. That’s what’s the most sad. People actually think this shit is of primary importance in their lives.

            I keep saying that our best hope is that people realize that politics isn’t and shouldn’t be the most important thing their lives.

    3. It’s also interesting that the four landmarks of the 20th century they list are the Korean war, the Vietnam War, Watergate, and Bill Clinton’s Impeachment.

      1. If we can send a man to the moon, why can’t we recognize that it’s a big deal to send a man to the moon?!?!?

      2. Yup. All government created disasters that properly shook American’s obedience to government officials.

    4. So OBL is right – the release of the Mueller report is literally a matter of life or death.

    5. One less old Lefty.

    6. “As a World War II veteran, Mitchell Tendler had been part of the forces that fought Nazism.
      […]
      And, in recent years, he was watching the current presidency with something bordering on obsession.”

      Tony’s a WWII vet?!

    7. I will say this all the TDS drama is very much like a soap opera that I also find hard to turn off.

    8. “Rosebud” is the thing that will finally get rid of Trump, once and for all!

  14. The ADL is pointing to an explosion of incidents of propaganda by white supremacists, particularly targeting colleges. They gives some especially egregious examples:

    “The white-nationalist group Identity Evropa was responsible for nearly half of the 1,187 propaganda distributions in 2018, according to the report. One flier features George Washington and reads “European roots American Greatness.” In Atlanta, the group distributed fliers that said the city’s mayor was “putting illegal aliens first”

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/sp…..551783601?

    Truly horrifying hate speech, I know! Obviously, the First Amendment doesn’t protect hate speech because . . . um . . . it’s hate speech, but going around claiming that the Atlanta mayor is “putting illegal aliens first” is even further beyond the pale–even if she did terminate Atlanta’s cooperation with ICE and make Atlanta a “sanctuary city”.

    http://www.11alive.com/article…..-591983534

    These people are running around criticizing elected officials, and if that isn’t the first step to fascism, I don’t know what is.

    1. The ADL is just the SPLC with a yarmulke

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  16. “The fact that things needed to be corrected for pro-woman bias should be seen as a good sign for women’s stature and progress in the tech sector.”

    Discrimination is a good sign? Your third wave feminism is showing

    1. In the same way that a problem with obesity is a better marker for an affluent society than a problem with starvation, yes.

    2. It is a good sign like bread lines.

      1. Equality!

  17. Finally some good news. Have I mentioned how much I like Nancy Pelosi?

    Pelosi says Democrats to introduce bill to bring back net neutrality this week

    Of all the disastrous mistakes Drumpf has made, sometimes we forget the severe damage his regime has done to the Internet. As usual, it’s up to Democrats to fix things.

    1. in all seriousness, we can expect all kinds of batty ridiculous bills to pas the house now that they have the majority and they are safe in the knowledge Trump won’t sign a single one of them!

      Please.

  18. That is not the same as addressing “equity,” she said, which would involve examining the structural hurdles that women face as engineers.

    Jesus Christ. “Equity” is just a terrible thing. And that’s bullshit as far as I can see. Companies will bend over backwards to hire competent female engineers. You just don’t see a lot of female candidates.

    It’s really weird that the man-bashing feminist types appear to believe both that men are some kind of problem and have inherent nastiness about them and that outcomes should be the same for men and women in all fields (or at least all fields that aren’t too physically demanding, dangerous or low-pay). Seems like a bit of a contradiction. Are men and women different or not?

    1. I’ll bet you don’t hear her bitching about the structural hurdles that women face as garbage collectors.

      1. Or that women hold 60 percent of the wealth in the country

    2. Victimhood is so valuable nowadays that women and gays will do anything to show that they’re still being oppressed.

      1. True, but that shit has about jumped the shark and a turn in coming.

        1. I sure as hell hope so.

  19. “It’s ironic to see some “equal pay” advocates now arguing for more nuance on the issue, when these same activists insist on lumping together all workers at all levels to make misleading proclamations like women getting only 49 cents or 77 cents for every dollar men make.”

    I wouldn’t work for a union. The whole concept of collective bargaining is anathema to me. I got where I am by working harder, smarter, and better than my coworkers–and sometimes my bosses. The idea that my pay would be limited by what other people are getting is an insult to meritocracy.

    If you needed me to take a discount to hire me over the other people interviewing for the job, I’m happy to do that. Over time, my pay will end up being a function of what I’m worth to the company, and that is not dependent on what other people, women, blacks, or union members are getting paid.

    They’re treating individuals as if they’re only important insofar as they’re members of a group identity. In unions, you can’t get paid more than the union has negotiated for everyone. They want to make working for any company like that–where individuals can’t get paid more than women on average?

    Fuck that noise. If giving me more pay because I way outperform a woman who is underperforming me is being unfair to her because she’s a woman and we have roughly the same responsibilities? Then you better find a way to be “unfair”, or you’re going to end up with a company full of mediocre performers.

    1. Collectivism in general appeals to people who have no confidence in their ability to (or simply have not desire to) compete.

    2. A union’s primary role with regard to the members is to protect the wages and job security of the bottom half of the productive workers in the union … at the expense of the top half.

  20. “Google seems to be advancing a “flawed and incomplete sense of equality” by making sure men and women receive similar salaries for similar work,”

    More macaroni! Less macaroni! Too much macaroni!

  21. “That is not the same as addressing “equity,” she said, which would involve examining the structural hurdles that women face as engineers.”

    Fuck you you rent seeking piece of trash.

  22. “If so, it will “apparently be the first time since passage of the National Emergencies Act of 1976 that Congress has voted to overturn an emergency declaration,” notes The New York Times.”

    And likely the last.

  23. Google seems to be advancing a “flawed and incomplete sense of equality” by making sure men and women receive similar salaries for similar work, said Joelle Emerson, chief executive of Paradigm, a consulting company that advises companies on strategies for increasing diversity. That is not the same as addressing “equity,” she said, which would involve examining the structural hurdles that women face as engineers.

    Some foolish people question how deep that rabbit hole goes – they don’t grasp that depth only as a meaning in a finite dimension. There will always be more to be aggrieved by for the professionally aggrieved.

  24. “Pay gap? Shut up and get my coffee, boy.”

  25. I think there is an important observation in the Google data.

    If you read the article, the implication is that if Bob and Sue have the same qualifications, then Bob gets hired at the bottom of level 4 and Sue gets hired at the top of level 3.

    This means that Sue is paid better than the men in her pay band, but she is underpaid relative to Bob.

    If this happens systematically, then the analysis they performed will show that men are underpaid relative to women in the same payband, instead of showing that women were put in lower paybands than men.

    Garbage In, Garbage Out

  26. This latest Google pay report shows what most adults already knew, that even men don’t receive “equal pay for equal work”. Generally companies try to get away with paying employees as little as possible. That’s why research has actually shown that the people who get the best pay increases have to switch employers to do it. Loyal employees get 2% raises (then companies complain that they can’t retain talent)

    1. There are lots of women this time, so she doesn’t have that to run on. Perhaps she’s developed some self-awareness and realizes how desperate another run would be. Or she’s really got serious health problems.

  27. Ocasio-Cortez balks at Dem leadership’s rebuke of Omar

    AOC evidently needs to have explained to her how discipline in Congress works and that 2/3 of the House can expel a Representative (Article I, Section 5)

  28. ‘AstonishinglyPredictably, some are insisting instead that the study only masks much deeper discrimination by focusing on things like “equal pay for equal work.” ‘

    FTFY

  29. “Senate has the votes to rebuke Trump. ”

    100k more votes for Trump in 2020.

    So much winning!

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