Mueller Investigation

No Magic Bullet for Trump/Russia Investigation

Cohen testimony underscores that Americans are going to have to take responsibility for their own response to the president's behavior, rather than wait for some mega-revelation

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Holster the toy cannons, people. Cancel those refresher courses on the 25th Amendment.

For all the fireworks, grubby details and rageaholic outbursts at Michael Cohen's Capitol Hill public testimony Wednesday, it took just 11 short words from the felonious fixer's opening statement to ensure that our long national nightmare will not, in fact, soon end: "Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to Congress."

So concludes last month's momentarily tantalizing notion — originally reported by BuzzFeed, unprecedentedly disputed by the office of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III — that President Trump "personally instructed" his thuggish capo to perjure himself. Some in Mueller's carol-singing fan club had convinced themselves that his legalistic rebuttal of the story still left plenty of room for Cohen to deliver a knockout blow if he was ever allowed to testify in public.

Though you would go broke betting on the moral principles of congressional Republicans, if Cohen had the goods on the president suborning perjury it would have put even the most craven of GOP senators in a pickle in the event of an impeachment trial. Crudely coloring outside the lines during a campaign is one thing, knowingly committing a real crime as president would probably trigger a House vote.

Well, so much for that trigger. Like every previous "huge, if true" magic bullet that seemed like a promising derailer for the Trump presidency — former campaign chair Paul Manafort's reported visit to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, Cohen's elusive meeting with Russkies in Prague — the suborning fantasy, too, failed to materialize. Implicit, wink-nudge encouragement of lies on top of lies about real estate negotiations with dodgy Russians amounts to tawdry behavior from a sitting president, but its damnably difficult to upgrade into the criminally explicit.

Although Trump had a lousy Wednesday — it came out that he allegedly asked his lawyer to threaten people on 500 separate occasions; reportedly got Melania on speakerphone to hear lies about Stormy Daniels; and we hear him impel members of Congress to serially say the word "shithole" — Cohen's testimony also smacked down some of the more lurid anti-Trump fevers: The pee tape, a secret love child, domestic violence in an elevator.

So Americans are left, once more, in a position we seem to find uncomfortable: We will have to take charge of deciding how the president will be punished for his misdeeds. We cannot passively wait for some exogenous, without-a-doubt mega-revelation to do the deciding for us.

Such pining for a shortcut is hardly unique to Trump haters. His grossest apologists, several of whom were in midseason form barking about Cohen's once and future book deals Wednesday, have spent the last 21 months overselling every fabulist Devin Nunes memo and FBI "secret society" rumor that comes across their desks, only to see those investigations scuttled.

I suspect there's more to the daydreaming on both sides than mere partisan convenience. Imagining that some capital-F Fact can be irrefutably persuasive to either the criminal justice system or the public is an almost touching expression of rose-colored nostalgia for an agreed-upon set of national mores. Those who watched more than about 30 minutes of Wednesday's spectacle can testify to the wishfulness of such thinking. With the exception of odd legislative ducks such as the libertarian Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), Democrats and Republicans delivered telegrams from hermetically separated universes of fact, logic and interpretation.

But the real lure of a magic bullet is that it would let politician and voter wriggle off the hook. If our bizarre situation is all just a Deep State plot, or a criminal conspiracy involving a foreign adversary methodically exposed by an expert prosecutor, then we don't have to do any heavy thinking about how we got here in the first place.

America has suffered — is suffering — a collective political trauma, in the midst of a globe-straddling mini-revolt against the post-World War II consensus governing how real democracies behave. Things are getting topsy-turvy: Republicans hate trade, Democrats love the CIA and pretty much everyone agrees that self-identified independents (see Howard Schultz) are the worst.

The easy way out intellectually is to just chalk up whatever the opposition is doing to a pathology: Democrats (and the #NeverTrump club) see a blob of racists and Russians; Republicans seethe at socialists, globalists and (ugh) journalists. If you can wipe out the bad guys with a single revelation of Fact, no need to recalibrate either your collectivist demonization of the "other," or your own team's role in paving the way for Trump.

The logic of extreme polarization militates against self-reflection. After all, there's always a new social media ruckus, foiled North Korea peace pact or Trump tweetstorm to scream at each other about.

That's too bad. Because the elites of both parties, and of the politically adjacent professions (including — yes — journalism), actively helped create the unhappy conditions that made fit-throwing look like an attractive option to millions of voters, and not just those who chose Trump.

A magic bullet is extremely unlikely to take out either Trump or Mueller. Even if it could, the maladies that made them antagonists would still be with us. We've got a whole lot of work to do.

This article originally appeared in the Los Angeles Times.

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  1. I agree there will never be a clear answer on whether President Trump or his administration is guilty of criminal behavior. It is very unlikely that there will be impeachment of this President. Certainly there will never be a conviction with the Republicans controlling the Senate. President Trump will have to be defeated at the ballot box in 2020. I think 2018 showed that is possible. Those who don’t like Trump, myself included, must focus on the election. All that said, I think we have a right to know facts before the election. If President Trump does not want to provide the facts, I am sure the Democrats in the house will provide as many as they can.

    1. I too, do not like President Narcissistic Tweeting Toddler. However, all of the top darlings of the left make him look like a Lockean Einstein. That’s quite a feat! They’re currently treating Gabbard like she’s Trump II. I think he’s going to win because of the left, not despite them.

      1. I’m hoping the LP has someone decent running so I at least have someone to vote for because I won’t vote for Trump and I won’t vote for whichever Socialist liberty-hater the Democrats pick.

      2. I’m hoping the LP has someone decent running so I at least have someone to vote for because I won’t vote for Trump and I won’t vote for whichever Socialist liberty-hater the Democrats pick. No

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      3. I’m hoping the LP has someone decent running so I at least have someone to vote for because I won’t vote for Trump and I won’t vote for whichever Socialist liberty-hater the Democrats pick. Ok so this is about to post at least 3 times.

        1. Nailed it!

        2. Orange Mobster Man bad!

    2. If you don’t have evidence of criminal conduct then there was no “criminal behavior”.

      Guesses and speculation don’t cut it.

      Hillary Clinton admitted that she mishandled classified information. They have sent military people to court martial for that and mishandling classified information is against federal law.

      Trump has not committed a misdemeanor or felony and he knows it. That is why he fucks with Lefties so bad. Lefties use past criminal deeds as a skeleton in the closet to control people. Trump knows that he has none of those, so he cannot be controlled by Lefties.

      Trump can be impeached for impeachment’s sake. Trump knows that this would cause the biggest public backlash, Lefties have ever seen. It would put the protests of the 1960s to shame and would likely lead to Civil War 2.0

      1. He hasn’t committed any actual crimes and he is otherwise shameless.

        Hard for politicians to get their heads around that.

      2. “We will have to take charge of deciding how the president will be punished for his misdeeds.”

        Shouldn’t we establish that the misdeeds happened, first, before deciding how to punish him for them?

        This is one of the typical manifestations of TDS: The refusal to consider the possibility that Trump isn’t actually guilty.

        1. “”We will have to take charge of deciding how the president will be punished for his misdeeds.”

          “Shouldn’t we establish that the misdeeds happened, first, before deciding how to punish him for them?

          Indeed, classic example of begging the question.

    3. What with both parties (mostly the Democrats, but the Republicans too) passing ‘let’s hamstring the next sonofabitch THEY get elected’ laws, I’m pretty sure that Trump is ‘guilty’ of some behavior that is technically ‘criminal’. I’m also reasonably sure that proving that would require a degree of inquisition that even the Democrats aren’t willing to pursue, because they know goddamned well that their next President would be subjected to the same and there isn’t one of them that wouldn’t make Trump look like a Boy Scout.

      The Democrats really need to internalize the message the voters sent them in 2016. Namely; ‘There are degrees of condescension, criminality, and stupidity that we simply won’t tolerate’. They nominated Hillary because they were prepared to excuse her flaws since she is one of them. That ain’t gonna fly. It ain’t gonna fly in 2020, either. Especially since what Trump is actually DOING pleases a lot fo the electorate.

      1. I think at this point they figure they’ve so demonized him in their subservient media outlets, that they could run the reanimated corpse of Joseph Stalin and still win. (At this point, Bernie chimes in, “That’s me!”)

        I’m hoping they’re wrong, but they’re not wrong about the media being subservient to their needs, and that does have some impact on how elections turn out.

  2. It’s coming any day! When it does Hillary will take her rightful place on the throne. It’s the only reality possible.

    1. I hope so. She really deserves her turn in the big house*

      *yes that means prison

    2. Dude, we had a saying in the sixties; “reality is a crutch”.

    3. Hillary’s rightful place is in a Federal Penitentiary. She’s a crook. Furthermore, she’s ostentatiously stupid.

      1. If she is so stupid, why is she rich and out of jail?

        1. Mr. Bill Clinton although if he was so smart, he’d want her in jail.

        2. I must agree. Let’s not respond to TDS with CDS. Hillary is possibly the most unethical person to have ever entered the White House, (Including all the tourists!) but she’s not stupid.

          She’d be less dangerous if she were stupid.

  3. “Republicans seethe at socialists, globalists and (ugh) journalists”

    Hating people for things they cannot change, like race, sex, age, is bigotry. Hating the evil ideas and actions people embrace, like socialism, some religious dogmas, fake news, AGW, is perfectly rational, and even desirable.

    We got Trump because the entire culture has been debased by both parties, allowing people to overlook his foibles, and he understands and relates to people’s frustrations better than the 16 Lilliputians and the Donkeys, particularly the entitled smartest woman in the world and most qualified ever candidate.

    1. This. And the way the political class reacted to his election simply confirmed what deep shit the business-as-usual Ds and Rs have gotten us into.

      1. Very sad, indeed.

        1. Freak-en McCain! Obamacare is probably going to be history anyways because it was ruled in its entirety as being UN-Constitutional by a Federal Judge after congres dropped the mandate (tax). There’s a few years for repeals and then it’ll be ditched anyways.

      2. And they didn’t address the full-blown national emergency of not having a fully walled-off souther border.

    2. Probably because his foibles are our foibles.

      I can’t believe people conflate Trump with Clinton. Clinton used the power of his office to sexually harass women.

      Trump is more like JFK. With lower standards in his mistresses. More like Teddy perhaps, with fewer dead bodies.

      1. Speak for yourself. I mostly like Trump on a policy level, and by the (degraded) standards of politicians he isn’t notably awful, but by the standards that we judge ordinary people he’s pretty bad.

        Whether the average person would be just as bad given the same amount of money, I don’t know, but I have no evidence to suggest it.

  4. consider how their own behaviors got us to the point where electing a bull in a china shop seemed better than sticking with a discredited status quo

    They’re not going to do that. They know they’re absolutely right and the other side is absolutely wrong. You can’t have all the power of government just sitting there and not doing anything with it, and as long as you intend to do Good Things it’s a justifiable use of force to do whatever it takes to get control of that power. As I’ve said many times, I truly believe that, in his heart of hearts, Hitler believed he was doing Good Things, as did Stalin and Mao and all the rest. Maybe not Hillary. And this is where Lord Acton’s adage comes into play, it’s not the evil people being corrupted by power that you have to worry about, it’s the good people with good intentions so convinced of their own goodness that they are willing to kill and enslave and otherwise destroy people – for their own good, of course – that are the problem.

    1. And the bull in the china shop isn’t deliberately destroying the place, it merely wants to be free from the trap it finds itself in and doesn’t understand and is in a mad frenzy to escape. And all anybody can talk about is ways to reinforce the walls of the china shop to keep the bull from kicking its way out, ways to placate and calm the bull down so that it stops trying to escape, ways to get through to the bull that he’s better off inside the china shop than out if only he did what he was told. The bull just wants to be left alone and being left alone is simply not an option from all the people determined to help him whether he wants the help or not.

      1. Art Linkletter actually brought a bull into a china shop for his show People Are Funny, to see what the animal would actually do so. As it turned out, the bull was perfectly well behaved, except for taking a dump in the middle of the shop floor.

      2. The metaphor only works to the extent that you are speaking of something that, like an actual china shop, is or contains things that are both fragile, and of real value.

        Once you consider that then it is apparent that Trump is no bull in a china shop, more like mule in a dung brick pen.

    2. “Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant, in this field as in all others. His culture is based on “I am not too sure.”
      ? H.L. Mencken

  5. We’ll see what happens. I am still confident in my prediction Putin’s Puppet will be removed from office by the end of this year.

    The walls are closing in.

    #TrumpRussia
    #ItsMuellerTime

    1. He may not even be a free man, amirite?

    2. You are so right OBL

      Trump is done and everyone knows it. Here’s proof!!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjUvfZj-Fm0

    3. I fear your act has played itself out.

    4. Yes, the wall is closing in, at the border.

  6. Does Matt seriously believe he and his fellow journalists aren’t clearly on one of the “both sides”? Reason has been soldiering for the NeverTrump authoritarian center-right wing since the fucking primary.

    1. He’s just trying to avoid pissing off his hip journo friends and his editors at the L.A. Times.

      That’s why reason sucks now…these guys are more worried about their articles getting play in the national shitty liberal rags than on reason.

      1. The massive BuzzFeed layoffs probably made all of them start refurbishing their resumes and rebooting their networks.

        1. Because learning to code is out, that shit is HARD.

    2. Just remember — these same folks provided bona fides for Dave Weigel.

      They cannot live that one down.

    3. Matt likes being on Bill Maher, and those MSNBC shows. He wouldn’t want to alienate those people. Cable TV show invites Uber all.

  7. “If Cohen had the goods on the president suborning perjury it would have put even the most craven of GOP senators in a pickle in the event of an impeachment trial.”

    Mueller’s only witnesses appear to be people he forced to plead guilty to lying, with Flynn and Cohen being excellent examples.

    If Cohen had the goods on the president perjuring himself, there would still be open questions about the credibility of witnesses.

    1. Plenty have clearly pointed out that Mueller has nothing criminally about Trump at all because the case he is building is 100% political. You wouldn’t build a LEGAL case on the back of people you have accused and gotten to confess to perjury. That’d be idiotic and self-defeating.

  8. “Former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn has expressed concern about the potential legal exposure of his son, Michael Flynn Jr., who, like his father, is under scrutiny by special counsel Robert Mueller, multiple sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.

    Flynn’s concern could factor into decisions about how to respond to Mueller’s ongoing investigation. The special counsel is looking into Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign as well as the business dealings of key campaign advisers to President Donald Trump.

    Flynn’s wife, Lori, shares his concerns about their son’s possible legal exposure, according to a person who knows the family.

    Interviews conducted by special counsel investigators have included questions about the business dealings of Flynn and his son such as their firm’s reporting of income from work overseas, two witnesses interviewed by the team told CNN.

    —-CNN

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/08/…..index.html

    1. It was against this backdrop that Flynn plead guilty to lying.

      Cohen plead guilty to lying.

      Now Republican Senators in an impeachment trial are supposed to believe what these admitted liars say–because Inquisitor Mueller is leaning on them (and their families)?

      I suspect Welch would see this more clearly if we were talking about the testimony of a confidential informant in the case of a no-knock drug raid gone bad. Because it’s about Trump, everything we know about the credibility of witnesses doesn’t suddenly need to go out the window.

      1. And the Flynn thing was still bullshit and one of the scummiest things in this whole affair.

  9. “Although Trump had a lousy Wednesday ? it came out that he allegedly asked his lawyer to threaten people on 500 separate occasions; reportedly got Melania on speakerphone to hear lies about Stormy Daniels; and we hear him impel members of Congress to serially say the word “shithole” ? Cohen’s testimony also smacked down some of the more lurid anti-Trump fevers: The pee tape, a secret love child, domestic violence in an elevator.

    Where are you getting your news, Welch–from JournoList?

    “His grossest apologists, several of whom were in midseason form barking about Cohen’s once and future book deals Wednesday, have spent the last 21 months overselling every fabulist Devin Nunes memo and FBI “secret society” rumor that comes across their desks, only to see those investigations scuttled.”

    Mueller investigating the FBI is the FBI investigating itself.

    1. I note that Reason seems unconcerned about a lawyer turning on a client and presenting things that, honestly, should be covered under attorney-client privilege.

      Funny thing is — it wasn’t Trump’s job to know the law. That was Cohen’s job. It was HIS job to insure this was done legally. The client says what they want the done. The lawyer advises how it can be done illegally.

      1. I think you meant “The lawyer advises how it can be done legally.”

        Good points, though.

        1. First rule of attorneys is: If someone must go to jail make sure it is the client.

          Trump may be a lousy client, but Cohen is a worse attorney.

  10. Someone needs to seriously investigate the Special Counsel and the U. S. Attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York. If the stories about using threats against family members (General Flynn’s son and Michael Cohen’s wife) to compel cooperation represent severe prosecutorial thuggery. This borders on the tactics of a totalitarian regime. Couple this with the early morning raids to seize records or arrest cooperating parties, guilty or not, these people behavior should be investigated and sanctioned if found to be inconsistent with our history of law enforcement.

    1. Justice may be too much to hope for when we’re talking about the FBI investigating itself, which is what’s happening with Mueller investigating his former Lieutenants from when he was at the FBI. He’s brought former FBI people into his investigation. He’s brought Justice Department people into the investigation. The Justice Department and the FBI aren’t about to find criminal activity at Justice Department and FBI. Expecting justice in that situation is probably expecting too much.

      Please note that I’m talking about the way the world should be. I’m talking about the way it is.

      One of the things we should expect is a full exposition about the credibility of witnesses. If we can’t expect justice under these circumstances, we should at least expect the news media to cover this stuff fairly. The fact that these witnesses’ credibility is severely compromised should be widely reported, but it isn’t being reported–presumably because the news media likes the substance of their testimony and the they want the American people to believe it. I suppose it should be surprising that the American people haven’t bought into this more than they have.

      1. I thought Trump was sunk with the voters after the “pussy-grabbing” braggadocio tape came out. Maybe we should give the American people more credit for separated beef from bullshit than we do. If the American people didn’t take the irrelevant bait on Cohen’s allegations, it sure isn’t because they were well informed by the news media. I suspect average Americans are just pretty good at knowing bullshit when they hear it. Maybe there’s hope!

        1. Trump might have been sunk if the Lewinsky sex scandal had not ended the way it did. Sex is no longer a disqualifying behavior for Presidents.

          What the Lefties did to Moore in Alabama won’t happen again either. Allegations of sex will never keep Republicans from voting for the Republican on the ticket. Kavanaugh is the example that sex allegations wont work anymore against conservatives.

          1. Lewinsky wasn’t about sex. It was about a pattern of sexual harassment and assault.

            1. And committing perjury in a lawsuit regarding that pattern of sexual harassment. The very fact that the scandal is referred to as “the Lewinsky thing” rather than the “Paula Jones thing” is proof that the red herring-dragging media got their job of running interference for Bubba done.

              1. He was the drummer in Zeppelin, right?

                1. Bonzo?

                2. Bass.

              2. That’s what I’ve been thinking for so many years now. Thanks for confirming!

          2. Trump would not have even been able to set sail if the Lewimsky scandal ended with Bill Clinton resigning in abject remorse and shame.

  11. “The easy way out intellectually is to just chalk up whatever the opposition is doing to a pathology: Democrats (and the #NeverTrump club) see a blob of racists and Russians; Republicans seethe at socialists, globalists and (ugh) journalists.”

    You say, “socialists, globalists, and journalists”. I say, “socialists, elitists, and shitheads”.

    Either way, is there a good reason why we shouldn’t seethe at “socialists, globalist/elitists, and shit-headed journalists”? Surely, as libertarians, we can at least agree to sneer at the blatant stupidity of socialism. And how do we get people back on board the free trade bus (globalism) without at the very least denouncing socialism? If not for free trade, what is it about “globalism” that we’re supposed to like?

    1. If not for free trade, what is it about “globalism” that we’re supposed to like?

      That is a damn good question.

      1. Globalism is one of those chameleon words that means whatever you want it to mean.

        What *some* people mean is for the government to get out of the way of voluntary trade between people. You know, liberty?

        1. How does that work when you have two governments involved in the trade, and one of them can’t be removed from the trade?

  12. Cue the shifting goalposts:

    “He’s going to jail!”

    to

    “The House can impeach him for whatever they want, even just being a meanie!”

  13. I would like each one of you Reason writers to admit that Trump has done nothing illegal. No misdemeanors or felonies in the last …let’s give you 3 years.

    I want you to say that you were wrong to try to help a coup remove a duly elected President.

    Otherwise, the only conclusion that I can come to is that you don’t want the United States of America to survive as a nation. You will continue to commit treason where YOU are the enemy of this Constitutional Democratic Republic.

    1. They’re convinced that Trump is a fate worse than death. When they look at Trump, they see something so horrific that it makes everything good he’s done seem totally irrelevant.

      1. True. True. I admit I dislike Trump. But he has done some good things, and tried to do other things that no President before would have even considered. I was at a work party and one guy brought up, hesitantly, that he liked how Trump was trying to get us out of all the foreign wars. I agreed and so did most of the rest of us. It is hard, in this hyper partisan era, to discuss things because the far left say Trump is the Antichrist, and the far right claim it’s treason to criticize him or discuss impeachment.

        1. Well since the “talk” is all about impeachment and “punished for his misdeeds” when there is no case of misdeed. It is rather Treasonous. What’s really Treasonous though is supporting Socialism – that path is a direct act to overthrow the nations foundation.

        2. I was around some people socially who didn’t like Trump a while back. When I said I liked most of his agenda some of them started to get nasty. I just told them to fuck off and if that wasn’t good enough for them I would be happy to settle any further problems…….outside.

          Need less to say, that out an end to their bullshit. That sort has no balls when you showmyoure ready to push back even harder. Plus, progtards must learn their place.

          1. The problem with discussing Trump with these idiots is that when you ask them to provide any proof of Trump’s supposed wrong doings they simply regurgitate the bias media talking point. Ask them then that if there is supposed proof in these statements, then why has Trump not been arrested and removed from office, and these idiots clam up and walk away. They have the debate skills of a 2 year old.
            There are many videos on you tube of anti-Trump protesters being asked questions about their stance and they start babbling and look like total losers or they just swear and shout and scream words like ‘Nazi’ or ‘Fascist’
            All the violence is coming from the left and this is becoming more and more apparent daily. There is not one instance of a Trump supporter attacking a leftist or an anti-Trump protester.

    2. TDS has all partisan panties in a twist, whether for or against Trump. You can’t recognize anything wrong with him,they can’t recognize anything right with him. Here Welch offers the simple statement that everyone who is relying on someone else (Mueller mostly) to dethrone Trump on their behalf is going to be perpetually disappointed and will have to find their own reasons for voting for/against him in 2020.

      That’s all he’s saying. Reason has no policy for or against Trump other than he’s a statist. But you TDS victims can’t see that. Anything praising or condemning even his slightest action is slander or fellatio.

      1. “Reason has no policy for or against Trump other than he’s a statist”

        You really say a lot of stupid things. Reason has largely been dumping on Trump, every day, since the election. Sometimes upwards of ten Americans a day vilifying him.

        Given your comment history, that probably appears reasonable. Not that you are reasonable, and nor is Reason.

      2. “TDS has all partisan panties in a twist, whether for or against Trump. You can’t recognize anything wrong with him,they can’t recognize anything right with him”

        Except you’re full of shit.
        When 2/3rds of pro-Trump (meaning: not slobberingly hateful of Trump) begin with statements like “he’s an asshole, but…” or “I didn’t vote for him, but…” etc, there is no equivalence.
        Go fuck yourself, sarcasmic.
        Provide one example of a *possible* president, politician on the same level, who is less of a statist than Trump (other than Rand Paul).
        Go ahead
        I’ll wait

        1. So alphabet troll is sarcastmic?

      3. Before he was elected, my sister-in-law expressed here concerns that Trump was a wanna-be dictator. My response at the time:

        re: dictator…we have one now and GOP in Congress will do nothing simply because of the color of his skin. If HRC wins, they will do nothing because of her sex, and she will continue in the same vein as Obama, and by her own admission will appoint SC Justices who will gut 2nd Amendment.

        Let’s say Trump wins. GOP Congress, who for the most part hate him, will have no qualms about cutting him off at the knees–he’s a rich white man. At least we can be pretty sure abut his SC appointments and secure in the knowledge that the rest of the government is not about to let him go off the deep end.

        The point is that they GOP establishment hates him because they are the establishment (similar to Cruz only far more so). Dems hate him because they are Dems.

        You know I’ve been a straight L voter for 30 years, but Johnson sounds more and more like Bernie, and Weld agrees with Hillary on gun control; and the L party plank on illegal immigrants is pissing me off.

        Of course I won’t vote for Hillary or Stein. So I can vote L again, for two people I have strong misgivings about and whose party-line I *strongly* disagree with, or I can vote for Trump, someone I have strong misgivings about. Or I can stay home.

        I’m struggling, I gotta tell you. I KNOW KNOW KNOW Hillary will be a disaster and will screw up SCOTUS for a generation. Compared to Trump…

        1. So yeah, I ultimately voted for him, but certainly am not suffering from (reverse?)TDS.

          I’ve no reservations that he’s a blowhard who is wrong more than half the time. But since he is trying (seemingly) to withdraw troops and has made two pretty good SCOTUS appointments and may get a third if RBG can’t keep holding on, I’m not regretting it.

          I’ll still hope for good Libertarian candidates and a L-party platform that places elimination of welfare state above illegal immigration (handle the former, and there’s no worries about the latter) and hope the projections in my state make it “safe” for me to pull the handle for L-party.

          But I won’t be afraid to vote to re-elect Trump, painful as that may be, if full-on progressive win looks possible.

          OTOH, in the face of a full-on progressive win, I’m fully prepared to quit my job and drop off the grid and wait for that Medicare for all and money for those unwilling to work to buoy my spirits.

    3. Trump admitted during a live interview that he fired FBI head Comie to shut down the Russia investigation, and that is Obstruction of Justice. I watched the interview. I was shocked that he so brazenly admitted it. In any other time period, that would have gotten him impeached. There are other shady financial deals too, like his fake charity, In any case, Obstruction of Justice is a more serious offense than Bill Clinton lying about fingering an intern and/or getting a blowjob under oath, which is Perjury. That got Clinton impeached, though the Senate refused to convict and remove him. The same thing will likely happen to Trump. Don’t act like Trump is a squeaky clean innocent lamb. Now if your point is that you still don’t care because your alternative choice, Hillary, was worse I get it. Oh and when Treason is equated to freedom of expression and calling a crook a crook, like President Bonespurs, you’ll know the good ole USA doesn’t exist anymore.

      1. Trump admitted during a live interview that he fired FBI head Comie to shut down the Russia investigation, and that is Obstruction of Justice.

        Except he did not.

        The FBI was investigating, not Comey personally. Note that the investigation did not END when Comey was fired and Trump, quite legally, could have ended it at any time he wished.

        1. The rest of your post didn’t even warrant further debunking, as you’re a moron.

          1. Yeah, that was some stupid shit right there.

      2. This is the new, longform OBL? It could use some finessing. You two could play off each other with the sincere hand-wringing TDS. That dynamic might prove entertaining.

        1. I would sub ‘hand wringing’ with ‘masturbatory’ and I think you’ve nailed it.

      3. Trump fired Comey because he was an untrustworthy sanctimonious double dealing asshole. And he was right, the FBI was a vipers nest. The misconduct that got Stzrok, Page, and McCabe fired all happened on Comey’s watch. All were senior officials under Comey. If he was a decent FBI director none of that would have been allowed to happen.

  14. Trump is a freaking genius. He’s managed to cover up his June 2016 meeting in Mallorca with Putin, where he gave Vlad $100 million (actually transferred to Vlad’s secret account in the Seychelles) in exchange for Russian intelligence assets imbedded with the voting machine software guys in four “rust belt” states hacking the system and converting electoral votes from Hillary to Trump. That Trump is also Karl Marx’s great great grandson has been effectively hidden as has his Dad’s relationship with Stalin’s daughter. This is the most clever coverup since investigators failed to discover Obama was Osama bin Laden’s first cousin.

    1. This was all proven true when they DNA tested that pee on the Moscow hotel bed – it was Ivanka’s!! She spilled the beans when they confronted her at Shabbat when she drank too much Christian baby blood. The tats on her inner thighs had numbered accounts hidden in them that could be read in a mirror. Mike Pence figured it out, and is readying a new shadow cabinet with Prince Charles as the new AG! Be afraid. Be very afraid!!

      1. And don’t forget Jared’s secret army of enhanced Hitler clones!

        1. Shhhhhhhhh!!!!

          It’s secret.

  15. THEY GOT HIM, FELONY CHARGE In Attack On Conservative In Berkeley

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhYv3gcYnso

    1. OMG, the PC Principle thing. I’m dying.

    2. Amazing. I really expected that they’d find some way to not find the dude, or let him go. I suppose they could still deliberately take a dive during the trial, but it’s starting to look like this was just too well documented for them to get away with blowing off.

      That, I think, is going to be key going forward: Every conservative event should go over the top in making sure there are multiple cameras running, preserving evidence of any attacks.

      Because there WILL be attacks. I’m expecting 2020 to be pretty bloody, actually.

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  17. “our long national nightmare will not, in fact, soon end”
    Please please just get over yourself. I’m so goddamn sick of the catastrophizing in the press. YOU are the problem. People outside the beltway aren’t experiencing any kind of catastrophe. You have no idea how the other 99% lives when you call failure to find evidence of your favorite conspiracy theory a ‘catastrophe’.

  18. Shorter Matt Welch :

    “Look there’s two sides to every story.

    We’ve had a couple of years of legal colonoscopy for Trump, his campaign, staff and supporters, administered by his political enemies with subpoenas, Grand Juries and dawn FBI raids. Along the way, Weissman and pals get to sift through their political enemies’ every piece of paper, financial record, email and contact list, for future use. And for good measure get to block the release of any information about what the hell the DoJ, FBI and CIA were up to with their wiretaps, FISA warrants, private contractor access to NSA databanks, “confidential informants”, press leaks and indictments packed with politically explosive narratives that are not relevant to the actual charges brought.

    And there’s nothing.

    So, that’s enough. We’re bored now. Let’s put an end to it all and move on.

    Anyone who suggests that when Mueller finally downs tools, we can at last be told what the FBI was up to, and why, is very dull, fanatical and deplorable.”

    1. “when Mueller finally downs tools”

      As Mueller winds down the Democratic House committee investigations are just getting started! You know, “years of legal colonoscopy for Trump, his campaign, staff and supporters, administered by his political enemies with subpoenas, Grand Juries and dawn FBI raids”…why, that just wasn’t enough effort!

  19. This all reminds me of the way the birthers kept looking for a magic bullet to bounce Obama out of the White House. It was a waste of energy that could have been far better spent opposing his policies.

    -jcr

  20. What I love is that the gun-hating, smoking-hating socialists are looking for a smoking gun – – – – – –

    1. Well done.

  21. And as long as we are venting, can we start hounding congress to pass a law that any and all special prosecutors have to report each month the number of people involved, the total dollars spent, and the total man hours expended.
    Just to keep the taxpayers informed. (for the children)

    1. I could not agree more. Special prosecutors should be answerable only to a bi-partisan committee and must justify their actions on a quarterly basis. It has been obvious from the start that Mueller investigation has had the minimal oversight possible. How can one man – Rosenstein be the only oversight of the probe of a sitting president, especially since it has been discovered that he agreed to wear a wire in the presence of Trump with the aim of invoking the 25th. This is absolutely the very definition of conflict. How can it be that a man in the FBI who wants to remove the president is allowed sole oversight of a probe with the same purpose.
      This borders on absurd, and is downright criminal.

    2. The President could do that with an Executive Order, tomorrow morning, if he felt like it.

      1. Or go back to the Egyptian method, and require all federal bureaucrats to be eunuchs.

  22. “So Americans are left, once more, in a position we seem to find uncomfortable: We will have to take charge of deciding how the president will be punished for his misdeeds.”

    Begging the question.

    1. Four more years!!!

      1. Cruel and unusual having Jim Acosta badgering him until 2024.

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  24. Matt, you should have quoted Cohen in his entirety. Cohen said Trump uses coded language to direct his henchmen, comparing him to a mob boss. We’ve all seen how that works. “Give him an offer he can’t refuse” doesn’t mean a trip to Disney World.

  25. It’s the dumbest fucking thing to expect a statement like “Cohen, I need you to commit perjury”. Trump and his lawyers knew exactly what Cohen was going to say because they reviewed and apparently helped shape the testimony.

    1. Of course. Trump told Cohen to call him a cheat, a racist, and a liar, to distract everyone.

      Wow, OP, you figured it out!!

    2. Ordinary Person|3.3.19 @ 12:28PM|#
      “It’s the dumbest fucking thing to expect a statement like “Cohen, I need you to commit perjury”.”
      Which is why YOU expect it.

      “Trump and his lawyers knew exactly what Cohen was going to say because they reviewed and apparently helped shape the testimony.”
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  31. Cohen testimony underscores that Americans are going to have to take responsibility for their own response to the president’s behavior, rather than wait for some mega-revelation

    Oh, how time flies.

    HUAC testimony underscores that Americans are going to have to take responsibility for their own response to Orson Welles’ behavior, rather than wait for some mega-revelation.

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