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Brickbat: Goodbye Mother, Goodbye Father

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The French parliament has voted to remove any references to "mother" and "father" from official paperwork in the nation's education system. Moving forward, all documents will instead refer to "Parent 1" and "Parent 2." Lawmakers say the move is aimed at reducing discrimination against the children of gay parents. The law got tepid approval from the Association of Homoparental Families, which complained it will force parents to choose who is "Parent 1" and who is "Parent 2."

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  1. Easy peasy; ‘Top’ and ‘Bottom’, no?

    1. In this thread, I get Hihn to out another of his sockpuppets.

      1. I’m not entirely convinced. I think he’s just kind of a strange dude.

  2. Parent 3 is not pleased.

    1. “I hate you, Parent 1! You and Parent 2 ruined my life!”

      Doesn’t have quite the ring

  3. What about Thing 1 & Thing 2? Dr. Seuss your lawsuit is pending…

  4. “The law got tepid approval from the Association of Homoparental Families, which complained it will force parents to choose who is “Parent 1” and who is “Parent 2.”

    Of course they did. Making distinctions rather goes against their name, does it not?

    Never try to placate crazy people, they will not be satisfied.

    1. It should be “Parent 1” and “Parent A.”

      Or “Parent Orange” and “Parent Rectangle.”

      Or “Parent Toucan” and “Parent Geode.”

      Or … well you get the idea.

      1. Hey, it’ll teach the kids vocabulary words.

      2. That does not treat them the same. No distinctions as that may suggest hierarchy.

  5. “Has it ever occcured to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?”
    — 1984

    1. +100 FYTWs.

  6. I’m trying to figure out what Reason thinks is wrong with this, from the libertarian perspective. Shouldn’t you all be cheering this on? You cheered on the destruction of the family, the promotion of homosexuality and every other degeneracy. This was one of the inevitable consequences, and it gets a Brickbat, as though we should recognize what’s wrong here naturally. The cognitive dissonance required for that must be quite frustrating for those who suffer from it.

    1. There should be no government in the first place to be involved in these matters.

    2. “You cheered on the destruction of the family, the promotion of homosexuality and every other degeneracy.”

      This describes ZERO libertarians that I have ever corresponded with or listened to. It’s like describing a neutralizing buffer, to be added to a liquid, as the most highly acidic chemical EVER! Just totally out of the blue… If we favor individual freedom and the obligations (self responsibility) that go with it, then we’re in favor of mass murder!

      1. Fuck off Hihn, you crazy loser. Everything you post is dingbat raving.

        1. Tulpoopy is a champion piece of shit, vile troll, who doesn’t have enough gray matter to post ANYTHING other than brainless insults. Humor? No! Insightful comments? No! Useful, interesting links? No!

          Toolpoopy is a waste of gravity!

          1. Cry more Hihn. Your tears are my nectar.

            1. You are saying, the worms crawled in, the worms crawled out, and left you no decency neurons, that you have a severe “personality disorder”, and that society (and I) should destigmatize your disorder.

              I think that in this case at least, the shrinks are full of Tulpoopy! Destigmatize my ass!

              “Personality disorder” in cases like yours = pure, unadulterated, willfully vile and evil asshole! You ENJOY living like this? Do you beat puppies for your enjoyment? Has it ever brought you lasting, genuine JOY? No, right?! Then why not give it up, and try NOT to be a jerk?

              Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!

              1. It’s funny that your response is always to go even crazier and dumber Hihn.

                Now fuck off.

                  1. Make me, punk!

                    And now we have you finally admitting you’re Hihn.

                    Gotcha.

                    “Then why not give it up, and try NOT to be a jerk?”

                    You first “punk.” (What a totally Hihnian insult)

              2. “Then why not give it up, and try NOT to be a jerk?”

                Oh Really?

                “Tulpoopy is a champion piece of shit, vile troll, who doesn’t have enough gray matter to post ANYTHING other than brainless insults. Humor? No! Insightful comments? No! Useful, interesting links? No!

                Toolpoopy is a waste of gravity!”

                It’s pretty clear YOU can’t. That’s classic Hihn, everyone else is an evil bully while you are simply defending yourself from “aggression” right you hypocrite fuck?

                1. It’s psychotic that your response is always to go even crazier and dumber Hihn.

                  1. Don’t try to pretend you didn’t admit being Hihn you crazy loser fuck.

                    1. Toolpa Toolpa come out come out wherever you are.

      2. “This describes ZERO libertarians that I have ever corresponded with or listened to.”

        So you’re sheltered and poorly informed, thanks for being honest about that up front I guess.

        1. It’s Hihh, don’t expect anything other than disjointed and crazy.

          1. His post was literally a rambling disjointed crazy version of “NU UH!”

            If he’s going to expect people to take his assertions seriously then he needs to realize that to an outside observer he emanates “raving homeless guy.”

            1. Yeah like I said it’s Hihn, all he does is crazy.

              1. So now we have a clone of Tulpoopy defining libertarians as ogres, with ZERO evidence (no links, no arguments) brought to bear. Just name-calling. Idiots from Planet Neurons-Nuked Wasteland, trying to turn reason.com into an intellectual wasteland, to match their empty skulls.

                What is your argument? There is nothing to refute here! How can I (or anyone) refute your brainlessness?

                OK, then, brainlessness confirmed, y’alll are a waste of time…

                1. Hey crazy loser Hihn, we’re talking about you not to you.

                2. “So now we have a clone of Tulpoopy defining libertarians as ogres”

                  No actually, that never happened.

                  It appears you are not only crazy but dishonest.

                  1. Tulpoopy-BrK-Hihn- Satan-Hitler-Stalin-Mao, or whoever you are, you provide me no useful links. I will do you one better, and provide you with one.

                    M. Scott Peck “The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil”.

                    http://www.amazon.com/People-L…..7764206768

                    PLEASE read this book! It may help you cure your “personality disorder”! It might even help you save your sanity and even your soul!

                    1. Book link reported as spam.

                    2. Whoop-do-woooo! See me run scared! Yes, evil people do actively resist help…

                    3. “Yes, evil people do actively resist help…”

                      I’m not your therapist save the confessions.

                    4. You take therapy from your head voices and you won’t SHARE the advice of your voices with me? Other than just insulting me all day? Or do your head voices also insult you all day long as well, maybe, and you ARE generously sharing their therapy (to you) with me?

                      “Therapy” that constantly insults you all day long… Assuming that you actually do good things or refrain from harmful things from time to time, in which case you should be praised at least every once in a while… Perpetually-insulting “therapy” isn’t good. Kick out or ignore your head voices, and find some better therapy, please!!!

          2. Tulpa, is SQRLSY really Hihn? I mean he’s obviously insane, I just never really put that together. Did he out himself by accident once or something while I’ve been gone these last few months?

            1. Listening to Toolpoopy is like listening to your head voices… You can NOT take ANYTHING that ANY of them say, without risk of being greatly deceived!

              (Toolpoopy gets what she says, to say, in the first place, from her own head voices).

    3. In what way does butting out of something equal promoting it? Libertarians believe in leaving you alone to make your own choices and find what works best for you, so long as you’re not initiating force against others.

      Saying we don’t care what you do in the bedroom, and the government certainly shouldn’t care, is not at all like cheerleading what you do. Cheerleading implies being engaged and interested.

      1. In what way does butting out of something equal promoting it?

        It’s distressting to me how this seems to be the libertarian response to the current cultural urge to deperson people for anti-gay sentiment. Does pretending like you had nothing to do with that male you sleep better? It isn’t convincing anyone.

        1. “…the current cultural urge to deperson people for anti-gay sentiment.”

          You can be pro or anti anyone and anything, and use your free speech for any purpose (other than actually inciting literal violence, or conspiring with others to create private violence), and a real libertarian will oppose you with nothing other than his or her own words. De-person me all you want, just don’t initiate violence.

          “Sticks and stones, break my bones, but words will never hurt me”.

          That’s the real libertarian stance. It helps me sleep a LOT better at night, knowing that I am pro individual freedom!

          1. You gave cover to people who you were told would do this and more. All because you had to have your pony. Now that you have your pony, it’s your fault the thing is shitting everywhere.

            1. He’s crazy Brad. He’s just going to respond with disjointed schizophrenia.

        2. So, libertarians agree in some narrow ways with not-libertarian gay activists. Activists do some unpleasant things and because libertarians agree with those people on some things, libertarians are responsible for everything they do. Have I got this right?

          1. Yes, Zeb, you HAVE properly parsed the minds and the arguments of anit-libertarian, anti-individual-freedom types, who would have us Obey The Hive… The Hive-Mind being defined to be the same as THEIR minds!

          2. No you don’t have it right.

            “libertarians are responsible for everything they do.”

            Did someone say that? I ctrl-f’d but I didn’t see “everything” in my post. Is this common for you? Misrepresenting another’s argument to make yours look stronger? Did you really hope to paint me as unresasonable by claiming I said something I never actually said?

            The point is very clear, your attempt at hyperbolic dismissal aside.

            You laid down with dogs. You were told they had fleas. No complaining about it.

            1. “Now that you have your pony, it’s your fault the thing is shitting everywhere.”

              Once logic (and dare I say, consideration for one’s fellows) is abandoned, karma is free to come right around and bite us in the behind. What comes around, goes around. Beware!

              1. Agreed, I don’t know why you abandoned logic but now you’re answering for it.

            2. (Thanks fellow commentor Vek for alerting me to this phenomenon).

              If you REALLY don’t like gay people, and want to see less of them in the long run… And killing them all isn’t quite your “thing”, which I sure hope is true…

              Then paradoxically, be tolerant of them and gay marriage! They will make fewer babies, since they no longer need a hetero “cover” marriage!

              http://blogs.scientificamerica…..opulation/

              The End of Gays: Gay Marriage and the Decline of the Homosexual Population

              1. TANSTAAFL. You could have done the hard work and gotten government out of marriage. Instead you wanted your free lunch. Eat up.

                1. I’m a real libertarian and am 100% in favor of getting Government Almighty out of marriage 100%. Sad to say, real libertarians are about 3% or so of the USA’s population, so I see no way of doing this “hard work” successfully… Maybe after Government Almighty goes totally bankrupt financially, we’ll have a chance!

                  Your suggestions on how to “do the hard work” are thoroughly welcome in my humble opinion, and I mean that for real!

                  1. Your suggestions on how to “do the hard work” are thoroughly welcome in my humble opinion, and I mean that for real!

                    Ok, for starters, don’t avoid doing something because it is hard.

              2. PS, tolerance of gays therefor reduces the populations of gays in the long term? Then tolerance of gays is a gays-cleansing EUGENICS program!!! And we all know that eugenics is one of the greatest evils of the humanoids!!!

                Tolerance of gays then (= eugenics) can no longer be tolerated!!!

                I hate it when I think of things like this…

                We need to elect Tulpoopy as our dictator, and THEN we’ll no longer need to strain our brains about things like this!!!

          3. I didn’t claim anyone is responsible Zeb. I merely asked how it is that any libertarian is of the mind that this is a “Brickbat” issue, where the “wrong” should be so easily detected? This is literally taking your policy and morality to their logical conclusions.

            Why the incredulity? I mean, honestly, from a libertarian perspective, aren’t they correct?

            1. Gah, I just realized you were responding to someone else. Nevermind.

    4. “You cheered on the destruction of the family, the promotion of homosexuality and every other degeneracy.”

      This sounds a LOT more like conservative religious folks than libertarians to me! Catholic priests making babies and not supporting them, molesting little boys and causing them trauma for the rest of their lives.

      And now conservative Baptists having their abuse problems come to light, as well. See http://www.theatlantic.com/ide…..al/583111/ and http://www.houstonchronicle.co…..588233.php

      The religious people (many of them at least) talk the talk but won’t walk the walk. That makes them hypocrites, and compounds the problem.

      1. Yeah, We’ve been over this before SQRLSY, I’m Catholic. People do bad things. They should be punished for it. Thanks for the REEEsponse though, I guess.

        So, here’s a quick litmus test on your stance RE: Family destruction: What are your thoughts on divorce? Especially “No-fault divorce”?

        1. If you and your party were in favor of no-fault divorce, and still are, you are indeed pro-destruction of the family. Then, you take it further and demand that we call 2 sodomites “husband and wife” and “married”. Then you’re surprised that they keep making insane demands that want to eliminate the lines and definitions that make up “married” and “family”.

          You’re a loon dude. Do the smart thing and leave libertinism behind. It is degenerate and is going to bring about our society’s destruction.

          1. I beg to respectfully differ… Having Government Almighty decide all things for us, turning us into mindless cogs in the machine, THAT is what will lead to our destruction! The only way forward into real progress, is to give people their individual freedom, short of stomping on the freedoms of others.

        2. Divorce of any kind is bad. Bad for human relations, family stability, bad for kids…

          Outlawing it is a bad move, though. MANY things fall into this category… Bad, very bad, but NOT the business of Government Almighty to try and solve.

          If all “good” things are mandated, and all “bad” things are outlawed, we have the utter despotism of Government Almighty, with no room left for human individual freedom. If all my freedom of action is taken away from me, I am a cog in the machine, learning NOTHING about free-will decisions and taking the consequences.

          I know we all have different values, but to me, FREEDOM (and the learning enabled by it) are way at the tip-top, up there with genuine love for your fellow humans, the planet, the fluffy bunnies, etc …

          1. Yeah, so in favor of divorce, especially no fault divorce being legalized.

            Dude, you know what is wrong with Libertarianism? You are a bunch of children. It is a child’s ideology. “Dad needs to stop telling me what to do. I’m going to do everything he doesn’t like so I can get back at him”

            Your idea of “freedom” is opposed to all virtue. Just look at this discussion on divorce. What do you think of contracts? Should government enforce them? Why not marriages? Because being made to keep your word is against your freedom.

            1. I actually respect religions (like yours) that teach the Good Word, including advising strongly against divorce. That’s God’s Word there, go for it!

              But HOW do you MAKE a man come home every night, and respect his wife? That is ONE hard row to hoe!

              When God’s Church tries to get Government Almighty to back it up, we are trying to do God’s work with the tools of the Evil One (coercion, force, violence, threats thereof). The Church needs to use persuasion, not coercion. Because as soon as Government Almighty aligns with you, for your good works, your opponents will wrest political power away from you, and use your new political powers (that you just added) for THEIR ends, now that THEY have taken over! It’s a very dangerous game!

              1. Jesus said “give to Caesar, what belongs to Caesar, and to God, what belongs to God”.

                I hear more strong points here in what was NOT said, than I hear in what WAS said!

                Jesus turned down the chance to give a 20-point lecture. “Pay these taxes, but not those, obey these laws, but not these other ones, and don’t serve in the army if you are drafted, if your Caesar is doing XYZ, but go ahead and serve in the army, if drafted, if Caesar is following this 15-point policy in Caesar’s wars.”

                Didn’t go there at all… Strongly implied, in my mind, is, “Use your conscience and the particular circumstances of your time and place, and figure it out for yourself. Your mind, and My Spirit (of Love), will guide you well enough”.

                1. Read the Councils. It will help you out. Every bit of this was covered in the early Church, through the Councils.

                  Also you might read Augustine and Aquinas.

                  1. Thanks for your kind words and thoughts. It’s all very complicated!

                    “Love your neighbor as yourself” sounds pretty simple (and it can be, but only sometimes).

                    Get down into the gory details, and it can be way too confusing!

                    Good luck on your journey! Our journey never end, it seems… Figure something out to 75% of our satisfaction, and something else comes along to challenge us, and push us to 77% and then always beyond that, another step, sometimes painful steps…

    5. What’s wrong with it from a libertarian perspective: A government is telling people what words to use. It exceeds the purpose and scope of government. Moreover, it exceeds the legitimate scope merely for the purpose of signaling cultural bona fides.

      1. Here’s a thought: The law is going to tell them what words to use, whether it’s “Mother and Father” or “Parent 1 and Parent 2”. Are you that dense?

  7. Yellow Vest protests for 15 consecutive weeks and this is their focus? P.S. why wouldn’t they just implement this for gay parents, rather than eliminate mother and father for hetero parents? Appeasement of the extreme minorities in society seems to trump common sense. Oops, ‘trigger warning’, I’m about to use the word ‘trump’ in a sentence. My apologies.

    1. It is inefficient (and costly) to maintain separate forms, if you can design one form that can be used. That said, my husband and I have been blithely writing each other’s names into the spot for “mother” for nearly a decade, so eh, don’t care.

    2. Or just have “parents:” on the form followed by two blank lines.

      1. I suspect the problem with that is that they use information from the forms, with personally identifying information removed, for research and statistical purposes. They need a way to distinguish between the parents’ data without using their names.

  8. Is this really going to take place? This is going to create a revolution.
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  9. Lawmakers say the move is aimed at reducing discrimination against the children of gay parents.

    So now you’re going to discriminate against people whose preferred pronouns are “m?re” and “p?re” – which, I suspect, would be the majority of them?

    1. Those are nouns, no?

  10. Obviously Parent 1 should be the individual without whose seed the child would not be possible.

  11. Fall of the West reason 38485557333444.

  12. Fall of the West reason 38485557333444.

  13. Lo there do I see my father; Lo there do I see my mother and my sisters and my brothers; Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning. Lo, they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them, in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.

    1. It is about time someone brought some religion into this discussion that is worth a crap!!!

      Til Valhall!

  14. The real terror of 1984 was always newspeak, not the cameras.

    And they better use a two digit number, with a growing population not entirely opposed to polygamy.

    1. with a growing population not entirely opposed to polygamy.

      Hasn’t that been the case for all of human history?

      1. Multiple wives for me but not for thee!

        And sad to say, if I make 143 babies that way, and cannot support them all, the Welfare State will prop up my irresponsibility!

        Fundamentalist Mormons and “Bleeding the Beast” (phrase from some years ago) comes to mind…

        Young Mormon men (teenagers), under this scheme, who weren’t “religiously correct” enough to get multiple wives, were kicked out on the streets…

  15. The law got tepid approval from the Association of Homoparental Families, which complained it will force parents to choose who is “Parent 1” and who is “Parent 2.”

    “Very well. A government bureau will assign those labels.”

    1. How about the parents roll for initiative?

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  17. Why is this a brickbat? Doesn’t Reason support the policies which led, ineluctably, to this result?

    Are they having second thoughts?

    1. Tolerance for gays does not equate thought control or speech control, or absurd reaches of politically correct words-selections-control.

      I have seen no evidence of “Reason” supporting thought control or speech control, or absurd reaches of politically correct words-selections-control….

      Have you? I would like to see an example of it.

    2. I will give you that it is an interesting question. Most of us here would prefer to get the govt out of the marriage business. The anarchists here don’t even want birth certificates issued by the government. Ok. But, as long as there is any level of government, birth certificates are probably going to be important. And given that, doesn’t it seem fair that since there are multiple types of families, that the gov’t sponsored birth certificate acknowledge that?

      1. Perhaps in the future technology will change this, but for now, human beings have two parents, one male and one female. Birth records, if they are to be of any use, need to reflect that reality. They are about how this person came into being, not what type of household they will be living in. On other types of records, such as the school registration forms in the story, the living arrangements of the person in question are relevant.

  18. Just list them by weight.

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  19. “Parent One’s, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowboys … or lawmakers”

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