America Is Not as Racist as Jussie Smollet's Defenders Fear or White Supremacists Hope
We make a mistake when we think outliers somehow represent who we are as a country.

Over the past few weeks, at least two major news stories have vied for our attention because they seemingly revealed the deep truth that not only has America always been a racist nation but that things are getting objectively worse because of Donald Trump.
The hate-crime attack on Jussie Smollet, we're told, somehow reveals a cancer on the American soul even if the actor engineered it as a bizarre contract-negotiation ploy. So too does the arrest of the Coast Guard's Lt. Christopher P. Hasson, who according to court documents called himself "a long time White Nationalist" and had drawn up a kill list of "traitors" that included CNN and MSNBC personalities along with politicians ranging from Sen. Dick Blumenthal (D-Conn.) to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.). Hasson has amassed many weapons and had, prosecutors say, planned on committing "focused violence" that would help to "establish a white homeland."
"In the aftermath of Jussie Smollett's arrest for allegedly orchestrating his own supposedly racist and homophobic attack, I don't want you to focus on Smollett himself," writes educator and activist Erica Smith at The Huffington Post. "I'd like you to remember this: Hate crimes against black people and LGBTQ+ people happen regularly and have been on the rise in recent years. Do not let one celebrity's allegedly false report lead you to believe otherwise." Writing in The New York Times, Thomas T. Cullen, the United States attorney for the Western District of Virginia, observes the arrest of Hasson and argues
This frightening case is just one of several recent reminders that white supremacy and far-right extremism are among the greatest domestic-security threats facing the United States….At both the federal and state levels, immediate steps are required to curtail the alarming rise of hate crimes and extremist violence in this country.
In fact, it's not clear that hate crimes and extremist violence are on the rise. As Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown wrote in 2017, the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), which tracks hate crimes, found
"the rate of violent hate crime victimization" in 2015 "was not significantly different from the rate in 2004," BJS reports. And this absence of a statistically significant change "held true for violent hate crimes both reported and unreported to police."
But that study, which found increases in gender and sexual-orientation hate crimes and declines in race-based assaults, covered America before Donald Trump became president. Perhaps he has "normalized" bias, as his critics might charge? The data are far from clear on this. After last fall's mass shooting at a Pittsburgh-area synagogue, many media accounts talked about a Jewish Anti-Defamation League report that supposedly showed a 57 percent spike in "anti-Semitic hate crimes" between 2016 and 2017. However, as Reason's Robby Soave, relying on an analysis by George Mason University law professor and Volokh Conspiracy blogger David Bernstein, noted, there are ample grounds to doubt that anti-Semitism is spiking.
The ADL report came up with three subcategories of anti-Semitic incidents: vandalism, harassment, and assault. An increase in vandalism accounts for much of the overall increase, but Bernstein doubts that all of the included incidents were actually examples of anti-Semitism. The harassment category also saw an increase, largely due to a series of bomb threats against Jewish institutions in the U.S. made by a disturbed Israeli teen. It's not at all clear that these threats were motivated by anti-Semitism.
Finally, the assault category saw a 47 percent decrease.
More recently, Soave has critiqued the idea that hate crimes overall increased significantly between 2016 and 2017 due to what the Southern Poverty Law Center and others have dubbed "the Trump effect." Last fall, the FBI did release a report whose topline takeaway was that hate crimes rose 17 percent during Trump's first year in office. But as Soave cautions:
Any talk of hate crime increases must be considered in light of a very critical detail: The overall number of law enforcement agencies reporting hate crime data also increased greatly—approximately 1,000 additional agencies contributed figures in 2017 than in 2016. This means it's not obviously the case that hate crimes are more prevalent in 2017. Maybe the government just did a better job of counting them.
This seems even more plausible when the raw totals are considered. The FBI counted 7,175 hate crimes in 2017, compared with 6,121 in 2016. That's a difference of about 1,000. If every agency reporting data for the first time in 2017 reported just one hate crime, this would account for the entire 17 percent increase.
Jussie Smollett's alleged behavior is so self-destructive and narcissistic that it's hard to understand even as it's easy to see why the people who believed in him want to focus on a higher truth they think is illuminated by his masquerade. Christopher P. Hasson's belief system is beyond grotesque and all the more disturbing coming from someone serving in a branch of the armed services. It's not clear yet how long he was under surveillance or why authorities arrested him now, though he appears to have been activated at least partly by reading materials from eco-terrorists such as the Unabomber and the far-right Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik.
But here is a thought that is both true and comforting: Neither Smollett nor Hasson is representative of anything beyond their own pathologies. The rush to make them stand for something bigger than themselves is an understandable, human urge. But it gives them too much credit. Hate crimes exist and are all the worse for being motivated by the crudest elements of our humanity—racism, sexism, fear of the other. We can deal with that without ignoring the progress we have made as a society toward treating all individuals as equal under the law and deserving of respect. Using outliers to characterize our country will lead only to more fire and less light on the path to a better world.
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Supply and Demand. The demand for racism doesn't meet the supply so they make shit up. Same with all the high profile rape cases...
The left desperately wants to believe this is a terrible country and will lecture about how terrible it is even after all their talking points are shown for the frauds they are
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Save yourself the vicarious embarassment for him and skip it.
I don't think he's Sqrlsy, who is still all kinds of stupid, but not a Hihnfaggot.
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Sure what Smollett did is self-destructive and narcissistic. But there is a bigger concern.
Creating racist hoaxes also will tend to perpetuate racism, one (should the hoax succeed) by giving license to actual racists seeking to copycat,and also by making minorities believe they are more subject to such bigotry than they otherwise would.
As such hoaxes of racism are inherently and objectively racists acts.
That this tends to blow Nick's argument out of the water is just maybe the reason why he didn't mention that aspect.
Creating racist hoaxes also will tend to perpetuate racism, one (should the hoax succeed) by giving license to actual racists seeking to copycat,and also by making minorities believe they are more subject to such bigotry than they otherwise would.
Not to mention the two innocent people that Juicy was perfectly willing to have thrown in prison until he found out the cops were on to his fucking shit.
I'd add that it is odd which crimes have the most false accusations. Per wiki; rape, child abuse, workplace bullying, workplace mobbing, M?nchausen syndrome by proxy, and stalking are prime.
I'd also add in a truly racist culture, Smollett's supposed attack wouldn't have garnered much more than "probably deserved it" from the public at large (like so many lynchings from years past). That it was a concern doesn't really speak to a repressed racism simmering below the surface.
America is racist, as is demonstrated by the hordes and hordes of Trumpistas who turn out all day, every day, commenting on Reason.com, about how we need to bankrupt (bankTrump?) the nation by building a sky-high wall to keep all the brown-skinned people AWAY from us Good People! You NEVER hear them making a stink to the High Heavens, about the need for a border wall to the north of us, to keep the Cannucks out!
Could THAT be racism? Just MAYBE?!??!
Would you like to outlaw racist associations ?
That would make you opposed to the liberal civil right of freedom of association.
No!
However. 2/3 of the populace does NOT approve of Trumpista walls! I "merely" object to my tax money being spend on wasted causes that the majority does not agree with.
It's a tiny amount of money wasted vs. a laundry list of far more important shit that goes unaddressed by you and yours every day. Your bleating about it constantly while remaining silent on numerous other things makes it clear it isn't about money for you. So stop lying about it.
3/4ths of people polled want greater border security, less legal immigration, more deportations of illegals, and no path to citizenship for illegals.
How do you square that with 2/3rds (actually 3/5ths, from the number I've seen quoted most often) being against the wall?
1) polls are inconsistent, as are people
2) polls specifically asking about "Trump's wall" are going to draw different responses than "a wall" - especially depending upon what "Trump's wall" is claimed as being.
(Also note the social experiment where people were asked to sign petitions against "women's suffrage" or to "ban dihydrogen oxide")
It's simple to come up with a hypothetical 2-question poll that could produce seemingly contradictory results:
1: Do you support increasing border fortifications, specifically barriers in those places where illegal immigrants cross unobstructed into the US?
A: Yes.
2: Do you support President Trump's plan to build a 2,000 mile long, 30 foot high concrete wall along the entire US/Mexico border, even through deserts and mountains which will cause the cost of construction to skyrocket?
A: No.
Perfectly reasonable for anyone to answer that way, yet the results can be spun that "the majority of respondents are opposed to Trump's wall" - despite the unmentioned fact that those same respondents indicated support for building border walls and didn't actually indicate opposition to "Trump's wall", just absence of support.
Nardz, when he says 3=5ths he is talking about the voices in his head. I think the other ones tell SQRLSY to "swallow his goo".
And sqrlsy, you argue like Tony... but less rational.
Quite a feat
98.5 % of Americans agree with the following:
Don't tax you,
Don't tax me,
Tax the fella
Behind the tree!
The vast majority of us are ignorant, stupid, greedy, short-sighted bastards. We think that we can use politics to rip off the next guy, and the next guy will never DREAM of turning it around, and using politics to rip us off right back!
This greed and ignorance, short-sightedness, is shown by the non-libertarian commentors here, every day!
Ok.
Water is wet.
What does that response have to do with anything?
And what libertarian positions, district from anarchism, do you hold?
Big Guv sucks... Even when it builds racist walls.
Why do you racists always assume everyone is racist like you?
And what RACE exactly is the wall built to keep out?
Race is nebulous, in the minds of those informed by science. In the minds of the REAL bigots, far less so.
Cannucks are more light-skinned, and many-many of them speak English. Not so for the supposedly-evil Mexicans (rapists, drug dealers, etc., "but some of them are good people", according to Der TrumpfenFuhrer, don't forget).
No walls for the light-skinned... Only for those with brown skin!
Who am I trying to convince anyway? A hide-bound racist? When is the last time you changed your list about anything, anyway?
So you can't name the race the people you are disparaging are racist against.
So a group descended from white Europeans (US) is ok with one group of other people descended from white Europeans (Canadians) but not ok with a different group descended from white Europeans (South Americans and Mexicans) and you think that is racism and not you being historically ignorant?
You decided they were brown (and can't ne their race I might add) because you're bad at thinking.
You're debating with Hihn. Just tell him to fuck off like everyone else does, or ignore him like the piss-stinking bum he is.
Says the biggest moronic empty-headed poster EVAH!!!!
Fuck off Hihn.
I didn't hear anything about that caravan of 4000 marching toward the tunnel in Windsor. Or drowning while swimming across Lake Superior. Or paying coyotes to get them across Niagara Falls. Now that you mention it, maybe we do need a big beautiful barrier up there.
Don't forget a big beautiful barrier up there above our heads to keep the space aliens out!!!! They, too, are non-American, evil, illegal sub-humans!
Nardz, he has no response. He's a fucking retard.
I do have a reasoned response; excuse the delay, I have been busy.
The walls are not a cost-effective measure at ALL... They are political show-pieces. If we wanted cost-effective, we'd do this:
http://www.businessinsider.com.....all-2019-2
A simple technology could secure the US-Mexico border for a fraction of the cost of a wall ? but no one's talking about it
But Trump is obsessed about what LOOKS intimidating... Walls (old tech thousands of years old) and barbed wire (dating from the late 1800s). And the psychology (hate the other tribe or troop) dates back to apes and monkeys. To hell with effective; it is all a political show. And since we are racists, we do NOT bother with the political theater with respect the the Cannucks.
Once again, if we'd want effective, we'd go fiber-optic sensors. Leaves the wildlife alone as well.... But NOOOO, Trump and the troglodytes want highly visible political theater!
Also don't forget, Trump wants less darkies from "shithole" nations, and more blue-eyed Aryans from Norway. http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....87118b34d6
Trump derides protections for immigrants from 'shithole' countries
The racism is there for all to see. Also, if we wanted REALLY smart and effective border control, we'd be brain-scanning at the borders, or go full speed ahead to make brain scanning more affordable and effective. Weed out the terrorists of ALL skin colors and religions, etc., instead of being racist, as we are now! Brain scan tech is getting very good at these kinds of things...
"98.5 % of Americans agree with the following:
Don't tax you,"
Uhhh.... ever heard of a democratic socialist? They love taxes and are running the democratic party
"The vast majority of us are ignorant, stupid, greedy, short-sighted bastards. "
i.e.
"I hate Americans"
9/8s of your posts suck
99/7th of your comments lack intellectual or principled content.
You used a poem to make a point so I'm not sure you're on solid ground to critique
Sqrlsy quoted an old (1930s, or earlier) piece of American political wisdom. Louisiana Senator Russell Long, head of the Senate Finance Committee, would used a version of it in the 1970s. Good one, S1!
Everyone can see that your just one of his sockpuppets. Seek help.
"Good one, S1!"
I mean seriously come the fuck on Hihn, at least TRY not to look like an obvious sockpuppet.
Has anyone tracked down Hihnfaggot's owners to see about having him put down?
America is racist. Look at all those progtards. They are racist with every fiber of their being.
The wall is a good thing which most people support. SQRLSY is wrong, as usual. And it most certainly won't 'bankrupt The country'. All we need to do to fix America is get rid of all the progressive subversives and we can finally do what is needed without their treasonous interference.
I think people who oppose school vouchers are far more motivated by racism than people who support a wall. See how stupid generalizations work?
I think that people who oppose health-care mandates supporting "space alien abduction therapy", are in favor of space aliens and their abductions of humans! ANYONE who opposes mandated coverage of "space alien abduction therapy" is FOR the aliens, and AGAINST the humans!
See how stupid, random, irrelevant generalizations work?
Yes you fucking moron that was his point.
Well it doesn't take a genius to see that walls here and no-walls there may be related to exactly WHO we are biased and prejudiced against. Is this a great leap of logic that is beyond your puny brain?
You're talking about the northern border with Canada, which does have walls and doesn't have nearly the quantity of illegal migrants traversing it, nor caravans publicly stating an intent to cross there, as the southern border with Mexico?
Yes, it is a gigantic leap of logic.
It's also an extremely prejudiced, bigoted, and superficial perspective.
Is the fact that Canadians do a better job on their side beyond your diseased mind's ability to grasp?
No no, you're an idiot, of course all else is equal and it's just that some are brown and some aren't.
You bigots always think everyone is a bigot like you. It's disgusting.
Show us, on the doll, where the brown-skinned people touched you in a bad way, please.
I expected more than gibberish from you bigot. Do you have anything else?
You stole that from Little Jeffy. That's how,pathetic you are. Though to be fair, I don't think you are one of Hihnfaggot's jizz crusted sockpuppets. Though you might be a dickpuppet.
Well it doesn't take a genius to see that walls here and no-walls there may be related to exactly WHO we are biased and prejudiced against. Is this a great leap of logic that is beyond your puny brain?
We don't have millions of illegal immigrants coming into America via our northern border.
I have repeatedly posted versions of the below, and have NEVER gotten an argument back from the troglodytes... Only agreement from my fellow REAL libertarians!
All you wall-builders are making excuses for the ever-increasing power of the Collective Hive!
The collective hive mandated WAY too many licenses (& other regs), before we're allowed to earn an honest living... Put too many of us into poverty. To "help" with this poverty problem that The Collective Hive created, The Collective Hive gave us welfare. Welfare then attracts too many illegal sub-humans, sometimes, so to fix THAT problem, The Collective Hive now wants e-verify and giant border walls and giant border armies? And now also property confiscations for wall-building? So I suppose The Collective Hive will next fire up the military draft to fix THAT problem! (Lack of a large enough wall-and-army forces).
Those of us who like individual freedom, would like for Government Almighty to SHRINK, for once, instead of always making itself BIGGER to fix all of the problems created by Government Almighty in the first place! And just about every day, I see arguments on these pages, that justify the ever-increasing might and power of The Collective Hive, especially when I want to hire, or otherwise associate with, an illegal sub-human.
Hey man, let's bring this down to Earth, shall we?
If I hire a young (native-born) physically and-or mentally handicapped person to mow my yard or do other simple tasks for me, and I patiently help teach them some job skills while doing so (and paying them), I am generally "socially admired" by most folks. If some asshole lectures me about how, now, I am going to have to be responsible for all of the education, emergency room costs, etc. (beyond the taxes that I already pay) for such a person, the vast, vast majority of common folks will look at such a lecturing asshole, and call him or her an asshole, inwardly if not verbally.
Now suddenly if I do the same, while also teaching an illegal sub-human about speaking English, and American culture, there's a HUGE number of assholes who want to lecture me about me now having to play nanny to, and assume all costs for, said illegal sub-human! WTF, what justifies this??!
+1 to the Squirrel
-1 to the D Trump JV cheerleader squad
Fuck off Hihn.
"Fuck off Hihn."
Sounds like something the real Hihn would say, huh Mikey?
Actually McJizz, it doesn't. You silly bitch.
Hey there McJizz. Decided to pop by for some shitposting?
Those are called work visas, the US gives out tens of thousands a year. They're encouraged because 25 percent of illegal subhumans that are detained while crossing the southern border are felons. So there's a decent chance your illegal subhuman does indeed conduct himself in a subhuman way.
Yes SQRLSY, the economic arguments against illegal immigration do not make sense. It's a matter of security. That's why I favor a generous immigration policy that encourages people to enter through the front door. Reason reported several weeks ago that most of the illegal immigrants from Central America turn themselves in and request asylum soon after entering the country. We need more immigration courts to process these requests more than we need a wall.
Yes, this is a good argument against building the wall. Cutting welfare is the best way to keep out moochers. It costs medicare over $2,000 per day to keep a mad person locked up in a psych ward. What will we do about ending that waste of tax dollars?
If 20M+ cannuks had crossed the border and flooded our system with their general level of poverty, we'd be talking about a northern wall.
We cannot have a welfare state and unchecked immigration, nor can we afford to import poverty.
Kill the welfare state 100%, I'll help tear down the walls.
It's not a racist thing.
How the fuck is noting that opposition to vouchers is largely motivated by wealthy whites opposed to black kids attending their schools irrelevant to your nonsense?
Vouchers are an expression of the arm of the Almighty State. Border walls are an expression of the arm of the Almighty State. Both are based on the supposition of the Moral Superiority of the Almighty State. I vehemently oppose this supposition of the Moral Superiority of the Almighty State. I am a freedom-loving libertarian, unlike all of ye Trump-Dick-suckers!
If I send someone to kill you, would you call the police?
Just curious if you'd rely on the almighty state for protection. Because maybe you can handle one, but you probably can't handle 10.
Grow up Peter Pan, Utopia ain't real
One should always keep fumigation bombs handy in case of a pest problem.
S1 would manipulate his attackers into participating in a blowbang, culminating in a massive S1 bukkake.
There is a difference between libertarianism and anarchy. Maintaining a border and providing for the common defense is the entire point of a government. We delegate this responsibility to the government so that we don't get the endless feuds that happen in no-snitch neighborhoods which most suburbanites are afraid to go to.
Immigration adds to our culture with things like baklava recipes. Baklava is baked with filo dough. You can make your own filo dough by rolling out the dough very thin and spreading butter on it. Then you fold it and repeat the process until the dough consists of many thin layers separated by butter. If you substitute newspaper for dough, it simply does not taste the same. That remind me, someone needs to buy a new door, and I owe a text message to my friend in Brooklyn.
I think that people who oppose health-care mandates supporting "space alien abduction therapy", are in favor of space aliens and their abductions of humans! ANYONE who opposes mandated coverage of "space alien abduction therapy" is FOR the aliens, and AGAINST the humans!
The cumulative mass of all the kidnapping space aliens detected by scientists is the same as the cumulative mass of all the psyches detected by scientists, but federal law mandates that we all buy health insurance and that health insurance pays to take care of bad psyches in a psychiatrist office.
"...federal law mandates..."
We MUST then all OBEY!!! The Sacred Hive has SPOKEN!!!!
Fuck off already Hihn.
Since when do I let HIM be Hihn?
Ummm, sqrlsy, how do you plan to NOT buy health insurance and still have your rent or property taxes paid?
In a truly free nation, I could pay out-of-pocket for my health care needs. If more people paid out-of-pocket, they'd demand (and get) more affordable health care than we have now, by far.
Actually, in a truly free nation, I'd be free to go see a veterinarian for my health care, and the vet would be free to take my money for taking care of my health needs. HOW do I get myself legally declared to be a dog, anyway? I feel like a dog, I ID as a dog!
Note that vet care is actually AFFORDABLE!!! (It will all be ruined as soon as we have socialized animal health care).
You can pay out of pocket for your healthcare. As I do currently. You just can't lay with the crust you scrape off after being the recipient of a dozen loads from your last bukkake.
All that's needed is for Congress to pass a law allowing Veterinarians to treat humans.
"the hordes and hordes"
Isn't that redundant? And maybe a little hyperbolic?
"The increasing number of uppity Whites who refuse to apologize for being born white is proof of how increasingly racist America is. becoming."
Well, the folks who hate Republican Presidents so much never seem to threaten to move to Mexico. It's always Canada...
What a truly stupid comment. Trump asked for a mere $5.7 billion. This is a minuscule amount in comparison to the American economy. Also, considering how much Illegals and cost in terms of services, the wall will actually pay for itself in less than 6 months.
So what you're claiming is, in a country of 320 million people, the several hundred carrying tiki torches is somehow not representative of America as a whole? That's not what I feel.
The way I see it, if someone approaches your home with a lit tiki torch in his hand, the ignition part of the defense plan is already taken care of for you.
But enough about Congress.
They sure slammed the door fast on Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock. They didn't even try to pin it on Trump.
"We make a mistake when we think outliers somehow represent who we are as a country."
And there was no good reason not to point that out--even before we learned that it might be a hoax.
Our news media's credibility has been circling the toilet since before Trump was elected, and I don't see that they've done anything to improve their reputation since then.
"Americans' trust and confidence in the mass media "to report the news fully, accurately and fairly" has dropped to its lowest level in Gallup polling history, with 32% saying they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in the media. This is down eight percentage points from last year."
----Gallup
September 15, 2016
http://news.gallup.com/poll/19.....w-low.aspx
That's from seven weeks before the last election--is it any wonder that Trump won? I maintain that Trump didn't only win despite the way the media covered him; he won in part because of the way the media covered him. And what have they done to improve their reputation since?
If Mueller's report goes public next week, the Democrat challengers better hope there's something in there worth talking about. If there isn't, it'll be the biggest anticlimax since Geraldo opened Al Capone's empty vault live in prime time and the Ewoks defeated the Empire in Return of the Jedi. Does the news media even want their credibility back?
"And there was no good reason not to point that out--even before we learned that it might be a hoax."
Yet Nick waited until *after* it became undeniable that it was a hoax.
I wonder why that was.
See my comment below about the McCarthy era.
Powerful people have been brought down for charges of thought crime these days! Watch what you say in public, or the New McCarthyists will come after you! Thought crime is bad but harder to detect. Speech crime in public is the unpardonable sin.
Heroes are heroes because of what they do in spite of being afraid, but I don't blame people for not being heroes.
The Editor of "The New York Review of Books" was ousted by #MeToo--not because of something he wrote himself but because he gave space to somebody else.
http://www.nytimes.com/2018/09.....meshi.html
This is exactly like Hollywood screenwriters being blackballed--not because of anything they did but because of what they used to believe during the great depression (or whenever).
Among the greatest films of the 1970s was Apocalypse Now, which recast "Heart of Darkness" in Vietnam, and made Americans stare into "the horror" of their own good intentions. A great American film of the 2020s might recast "The Crucible"--and set during the McCarthy era of the 1950s--only using accusations of communism as a metaphor for being accused of racism, sexism, or homophobia . . not because of anything you've done but because of what you've thought and said.
I don't blame people for being afraid in this environment. Making the wrong people mad with your thought and speech and ruin your career and livelihood.
I'm ashamed of a country that allows credible threats of death and terrorism against our heroic journalists and selfless public servants to go uncharged so that the only tool our brave prosecutors have is to charge the monster with possession of a schedule IV controlled substance and unlawful possession of firearms by a habitual drug-user.
For years the democrats/leftist/commies, have been saying that America is the most racist country that ever existed.
So if America is the most racist country that ever existed, why do the democrats/leftist/commies want open borders so millions of illegal aliens can enter the USA?
Do they want some illegal aliens to suffer from racist attacks?
"Do they want some illegal aliens to suffer from racist attacks?"
Racist attacks like this Coast Guard Lt. and that goof mailing the pipe bombs a couple of months back? With 'attacks' like this, the Left knows now's the time strike an impotent and cowardly white America.
"now's the time strike an impotent and cowardly white America."
You expect them to kill themselves?
The left better learn to shoot.
Honduran asylum seekers are taught how to shoot on the march north.
They're anti-gun cowards. They except the police and military, whom they loathe, to do the fighting for them.
"Those who 'abjure' violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf."
- George Orwell
"They're anti-gun cowards. "
Says the guy too cowardly to post under his real name.
So you're a coward mtrueman?
"Those who 'abjure' violence can do so only because others are committing violence on their behalf."
- George Orwell
So every libertarian leftist
It's such an odd thing to cling to. Yeah, America was pretty racist. But so was everywhere else.
At this point I really think that the US is one of the least racist countries in the world or at least most sensitive to racism. There may be some hardcore racists still around, but the casual racism you encounter in Europe, for example, is pretty strong.
Yes, the US is the least racist country in the world. By a wide margin.
The only way to avoid this conclusion is to never encounter Koreans, Arabs, Europeans, Africans, Mexicans, Brazilians, Chinese, Japanese, Australians, Canadians, Indians, Indonesians, Russians, etc discussing such things.
Fundamentally, the belief that the US is extraordinarily racist is the product of sheer ignorance, especially regarding cultures and peoples outside the US.
This comment is hilarious in its self-ignorance.
"This comment is hilarious in its self-ignorance."
It's weird how you announce what to expect from your comment like that, but props you were spot on.
"the belief that the US is extraordinarily racist is the product of sheer ignorance"
It's hatred. Claims of racism are how they rationalize the hatred.
"At this point I really think that the US is one of the least racist countries in the world or at least most sensitive to racism."
Maybe so. You have my permission to congratulate yourself. My point is that there seems to be just enough racists to keep the country spinning its wheels. Conservatives should be grateful.
Not trying to congratulate anyone. Or to say that racism isn't a problem anymore. Just what it looks like to me.
"At this point I really think that the US is one of the least racist countries in the world or at least most sensitive to racism."
Maybe so. You have my permission to congratulate yourself. My point is that there is just enough racism to keep the country spinning its wheels. Conservatives should be grateful.
"My point is that there is just enough racism to keep the country spinning its wheels"
Well the grievance mongers need to keep themselves employed, so they keep manufacturing outrage. You bought it. Nice job.
" the grievance mongers need to keep themselves employed"
America's racists are a small minority. Professional grievance mongers are the tiniest sliver. You'd do well to ignore them, however much Reason and other like to cover their antics.
But the professional grievance mongers have power. They sow the fear, hatred, and resentment of identity politics to divide and conquer us.
They are societal cancer.
We shouldn't ignore them. We should crush them.
You just saw a man light his career on fire trying to get recognized by the grievance mongers.
" Professional grievance mongers are the tiniest sliver. "
And yet they hapPen to all have shows on TV, or jobs writing columns. So weird how such a tiny sliver is everywhere like that.
And teaching
"Professional grievance mongers are the tiniest sliver. "
But they often have power. See Obama, Holder.
You seem intent on vilifying individuals. That's not what I'm interested in. Racists, like other Americans have the vote, there are enough of them that they can veto any attempts to overcome America's legacy of racism.
They want to take the power of self governance away from America's evil white supremacist hordes by importing morally superior foreign voters. It will be hell for them living with Americans, but being morally superior, they're willing to make the sacrifice.
#BrownMansBurden
Oh that's good. Way better than our so called parody accounts. OBL, you taking notes?
Do they want some illegal aliens to suffer from racist attacks?
Yes, actually. Democrats want brown people to come to this country en masse and experience the horrors of genocide and concentration camps. Democrats know they can't do this to armed citizens so they have to import others for their victims. It's just too bad those naive immigrants fall for this. They have no idea what they are in for.
It's not clear yet how long he was under surveillance or why authorities arrested him now, though he appears to have been activated at least partly by reading materials from eco-terrorists such as the Unabomber and the far-right Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik.
What kind of white supremacist terrorist doesn't have The Turner Diaries on his reading list?
"What kind of white supremacist terrorist doesn't have The Turner Diaries on his reading list?"
The Yankee kind.
Teddy Roosevelt, our first Prog president, gave us the national parks system rather than let it turn into homesteads run by immigrants. Environmental preservation and racism intertwined much over the years, even though the racist strain is less common than it used to be.
" Environmental preservation and racism intertwined much over the years,"
What part of American life hasn't been intertwined with racism over the years?
Music, relatively speaking
Are you saying disco doesn't suck?
What kind of white supremacist terrorist doesn't have The Turner Diaries on his reading list?
Judging from his pic in the LA Times, is Sirhan Sirhan White? He shot a presidential candidate long before The Turner Diaries was published.
There seem to be just enough racists in America to prevent the country from overcoming its past. As the good book says, you might be finished with the past, but the past isn't finished with you.
I assume that you're referencing Al Sharpton and the organizers of the Woman's March?
The white supremacists aren't helping things either. But I think that you are right and the supposed anti-racist activists are often the larger problem as far as overcoming the past goes.
"The white supremacists aren't helping things either"
Can you name one? How many Sharpton-type race grievance mongers can you name?
White supremacists aren't the types of people to use their actual names. Their courage only extends to hiding behind ridiculous pseudonyms like Edward Snizzerhands.
Just say you can't bame any, no reaaon to be a super-defensive bitch about it.
*name
"Their courage only extends to hiding behind ridiculous pseudonyms like Edward Snizzerhands."
It takes a particularly blind dumb motherfucker to think exposing oneself on the internet is a virtue.
I'm sure you leave your house unlocked and walk through the ghetto waving hundos around too.
"It takes a particularly blind dumb motherfucker to think exposing oneself on the internet is a virtue."
Courage is a virtue. There's nothing admirable about gratuitously insulting people without exposing yourself. It's contemptible.
Courage is a virtue.
If you ignore all the people it's killed, anything is a virtue.
White supremacists aren't the types of people to use their actual names.
Your ignorance is astounding. They shave their heads and get tatoos. I don't think they give a fuck about hiding their names.
They are simply ignored by reasonable people, unlike the race-baiters.
White supremacists aren't the types of people to use their actual names.
Mtrueman, white supremacist.
Mtrueman, supremer than you.
The fucking Tiki Nazis in Charlottesville did not improve the national conversation on race. I said they don't help, not that they are exactly the fucking same. Get a grip.
"The white supremacists aren't helping things either"
All three of them?
When challenged to name any, he made excuses instead. His excuse proved the point, but he's too fucking stupid to realize it.
He couldn't bring himself to admit that no, there are no prominent white supremacists.
"He couldn't bring himself to admit that no, there are no prominent white supremacists."
There aren't any prominent white supremacists in America. They tend to be obscure morons like the coast guard Lt. and the pipe bomb mailer. They enjoy their moment of notoriety and are promptly forgotten.
You've misunderstood my point. It's not the prominence of America's small minority of racists that makes them noteworthy, it's their undue influence on the course of the country. I tried to make this clear, before. Apologies if I confused you.
As the good book says, you might be finished with the past, but the past isn't finished with you.
"I assume that you're referencing Al Sharpton and the organizers of the Woman's March?"
I didn't have anyone particular in mind. You're free to champion any racist you like.
No, you lying weasel. I'm specifically calling out the fact that, while leftwing asshats like yourself constantly accuse others of racism, the fact is that nobody does racism quite like you fucking fascists. Own it. Be proud. It's the only thing you're even halfway competent at. Be the best damn fascist that you can be.
I promise you that I didn't have anyone particular in mind. If you have someone you'd especially like to denounce, go ahead. I'm not going to stop you.
There seem to be just enough racists people who need to sensationalize and exaggerate everything in America to prevent the country from overcoming its past.
Fixed it.
There are, demonstrably, orders of magnitude more people defending Smollett or excusing his behavior than there are people who are actual white supremacists. Why the equivocation, Nick?
So I've seen Robby on Fox News a few times now...
(Question: how often are Reason writers invited onto other networks?)
...and, I don't know if it's just me or the way he's being spoken with or playing to the expected audience, I've noticed a very different Robby than the one who writes here. He doesn't equivocate like he does here. Nary a "to be sure" and few "both sides" voiced. He just plays it straight.
I like that Robby.
Of course, appearing on Fox News often enough while refusing to bow down to the altar of intersectionalist truth in public might just earn him a stout shunning and harsh rebuke from the Reason cosmo-powers.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him with a job at FN down the line...
TV, print. The medium is the message.
You are an idiot.
Thanks for noticing.
It radiates from evey post you make, the true task would be in not noticing it.
"It radiates from evey post you make"
I'm flattered you read every post I make. I can't return the compliment.
You don't get to use as many words when you appear on a news show. Who knows, maybe he does say more and it gets edited out.
I think Robby is doing a much better job of sticking to the point than he did at first in writing too.
His prose style has improved drastically, his impulse control not so much.
Because they're all pimps.
Agree with your impression of TV Robby. I could see him as a regular commentator. I think he'd be good at it.
I think Matt Welch occasionally goes on MSNBC.
"In the aftermath of Jussie Smollett's arrest for allegedly orchestrating his own supposedly racist and homophobic attack, I don't want you to focus on Smollett himself,"
Right! Look over THERE!
Tony writes for HuffPo...
"planned on committing "focused violence" that would help to "establish a white homeland.""
Establish? You mean the U. S. isn't a racist white homeland *already* in this, the age of Trump?
Can't the Anglo-Americans at least dream of establishing a country in their historic homeland with London as it's capital? You know, a place where the Quakers can pass out literature without fear of arrest. A place where privacy is respected, and the agents of the monarch do not examine personal documents or homes searching for evidence without judicial oversight. A place where democracy decides important issues without a revote if leaders think the voters voted the wrong way due to misinformation.
I'm confused.
America is the most racist country in all of human history and it's racist to argue otherwise, so congratulations, Nick, you're a racist and you just made this country a little more racist.
You know what's really racist? The way all the rightists pounced on Jussie's lies.
"You know what's really racist? "
Deciding that all people south of the US in the Americas are one race and calling it "brown" like SQRLSY did?
So if I say "It's not nice to call them, or regard them, as niggers", then I am an anti-black racist?
Do you REALLY think there aren't any anti-illegal -subhuman bigots here in the USA who think that way?
Do you think that "race" can be precisely and scientifically defined?
Do you have more than two neurons to rub together?
I like how you utterly dodge the question by splattering crazy everywhere becausw you know you've made a fiol of yourself by calling people racists and then totally failing to actually name any race they're being racist against.
It's like you are so massivley fucking dumb that you think no one will notice you're using "racist" as a catch all for terms you don't actually know.
"So if I say "It's not nice to call them, or regard them, as niggers", then I am an anti-black racist?"
Like that. You can't even stop yourself from shitting up the board with crazy stupidity.
"Do you REALLY think there aren't any anti-illegal -subhuman bigots here in the USA who think that way?"
Considering that you didn't even make any sense, yes I'll say it. No one thinks that way except YOU because you are brain damaged.
And some, like Tulpoopy, know about asbsolutely nothing other than to call others names all day long, and then declare "victory"!
So if I say "It's not nice to call them, or regard them, as niggers", then I am an anti-black racist?
But that's not what you do.
You saay things like 'you all hate the brown hordes' or 'you're racist against brown people' or 'you just want to keep the filthy brown people out'
in response to people saying things like 'we've got to get a handle on illegal immigration' or 'we need secure borders' or ' raising immigration levels is a great idea AFTER we deal with the problem of illegal immigration'
YOU make things about race that aren't. And you lump people of all races who live in Central and South American under the misnomer 'brown' when ALL of those countries are European colonized countries just like the US.
I feel racist just being here. Gonna need a shower to wash the racism off.
Never Trumpers: 'What's their endgame?!'
The end game is this: A wild hope that Trump fails/ends up in jail/is impeached so they can go, "Ha ha! We were right! You're wrong and evil! Now, come vote for __________ big government Republican of OUR choosing."
And everybody will do it because we live in fantasyland.
Never Trumpers are the right wing of the Globalist Uniparty. They're the revolutionary vanguard of the Right. Too bad for them that the Populist Right threw them out on their ears.
They'll keep trying to bleed the Right until they're back in the driver's seat.
My white wife was sexually accosted by three young, very fit, black men in a low-rent motel just days ago.
Please look for that video, and more like it, at http://www.blacked.com.
Dude, how many prongs does that strap-on have?
Wait, it's Crusty. I don't think I'll click on that, thank you all the same.
"My white wife was sexually accosted "
What did your black wife have to say about that?
the black wife said "you pay me, up front".
educator and activist Erica Smith
Erica Smith is a sexuality educator, writer, and consultant
So, she's basically a female version of Crusty?
If you consider scaring people to be a form of education.
If you consider scaring people to be a form of education.
It's the AFT's long term plan to reduce class size.
I read that as ATF. It makes sense both ways.
🙂
Did she used to live at the back of a pet store in a discarded chinchilla cage?
Fuck off McGoo.
had drawn up a kill list of "traitors"
Who has time to write a list of people to kill? I just have a very short list of people I want to stay alive.
"In the aftermath of Jussie Smollett's arrest for allegedly orchestrating his own supposedly racist and homophobic attack, I don't want you to focus on Smollett himself," writes educator and activist Erica Smith at The Huffington Post. "I'd like you to remember this: Hate crimes against black people and LGBTQ+ people happen regularly and have been on the rise in recent years. Do not let one celebrity's allegedly false report lead you to believe otherwise." Writing in The New York Times, Thomas T. Cullen, the United States attorney for the Western District of Virginia, observes the arrest of Hasson and argues
The hypocritical thing is: all these left-wing commentators would have freaked out a year ago if anyone said that Smollett isn't Jewish. He is Jewish, but outside of Jewish news sources, no one mentioned it when he was viewed as a victim or now that he's considered a suspect. There's only room for 2 intersectionality slots in a report.
So, like Sammy Davis Jr. without the talent or integrity?
🙂
And the glass eye.
Like Odin, Sammy sacrificed his eye for wisdom.
Not 'like' Odin.
From the NY Times article about Coast Guard Officer that Nick linked to:
In the letter quoted by prosecutors, Lieutenant Hasson wrote about wanting to start a race war, and pondered the best way to do it. "Much blood will have to be spilled to get whitey off the couch," he wrote.
I don't know, most of the White people in my town would get off the couch and be ready to fight if they read that someone in Brooklyn called me a "nigger" a few days ago.
The other side of the argument reported in the same article:
At the hearing on Thursday in federal court in Greenbelt, Md., Lieutenant Hasson was represented by a public defender, Julie Stelzig, who argued for his release.
Ms. Stelzig called the filing by prosecutors a "histrionic characterization of Mr. Hasson" and an "extraordinary document" that relied mainly on circumstantial evidence and speculation about his plans.
"We are not yet a country that detains people for their internet searches or deleted documents," Ms. Stelzig said.
It's mostly a weapon's charge:
"The sheer number and force of the weapons that were recovered from Mr. Hasson's residence in this case, coupled with the disturbing nature of his writings, appear to reflect a very significant threat to the safety of our community, particularly given the position of trust that Mr. Hasson held," said Robert K. Hur, the United States attorney for the District of Maryland.
This is why margarine and birthday candles with some cannolis make for a better afternoon. 😉
Prosecutors also said that they had obtained video images showing Lieutenant Hasson taking pills while at work, and that Tramadol, an opioid painkiller, was found during a search of Mr. Hasson's office.
Wait! Now the Feds think that pills turn you into a terrorist!? Is the FDA going to reconsider their original findings that put those pills on the market in the first place? Will we get our first black box warning on the pill bottles saying that they may cause terrorist urges?
Judge Day denied the defense's request for release, but said that in light of the lieutenant's long military service and lack of a previous criminal record, he would be willing to reconsider the matter in two weeks if prosecutors have not filed additional charges by then. So far, Lieutenant Hasson faces one felony firearms charge and one misdemeanor drug charge.
So no habeas coprus, because Maryland, like New Jersey, now has pretrial detention.
60 years from now, people are going to look back on this era of American history like we look back on the McCarthy era.
People's lives ruined by accusations of thought crime?
Check.
People afraid to speak out for fear of being denounced for thought crime?
Check.
The journalists who contribute to this are shit stains in society's underpants.
Real active communists found in high federal government positions?
Check.
Are you defending charges of thought crime as if that were okay--for some reason?!
Actions are not thoughts
That's my point!
If there's ever been a victimless crime, surely it's thought-crime.
No Ken, you missed HIS point. Stop fucking bloviating and dominating the conversation and try paying attention for once.
Fuck what am I saying you're just gonna bitch and bloviate more.
Vile troll.
"Fuck what am I saying you're just gonna bitch and bloviate more."
"Ken Shultz|2.22.19 @ 11:55PM|#
Vile troll."
I win again. At least I shamed you into keeping your normally longwinded stupidity to a minimum.
I win again. At least I shamed you into keeping your normally longwinded stupidity to a minimum.
And now you've admitted that you're a troll . . . not that everyone didn't already know that.
LOLOLOLOL
I've been saying it for years you fucking clown which you would know IF YOU EVER PAID ATTENTION TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN BLOVIATING AND BITCHING.
Me "hey ken you're a self-involved bore"
Ken "you're a troll"
Me "yes i freely and openly admit that daily, includg several times earlier today and several more yesterday"
Ken "GOTCHA!!! I'M SO IMPRESSED WITH MYSELF "
Me " yeah good one getting me to admit something that i openly say every day multiple times"
Ken "everything you said about me is true..."
Vile troll
Says the guy who thinks browbeating people with "there's nothing to learn from this" for days is acceptable behavior.
"Says the guy who thinks browbeating people with "there's nothing to learn from this" for days is acceptable behavior."
Yeah, I thought after getting your face rubbed in your own shit over and over again, you finally might stop gobbling it up like it was chocolate ice cream.
Your world view is idiotic, and so you lash out at people that make you feel stupid.
"We make a mistake when we think outliers somehow represent who we are as a country."
----Nick Gillespie (at the top of this thread no less!)
Why can't Nick Gillespie see that Sparky isn't really as ignorant and stupid as reading Ken's posts makes Sparky feel?
Wow Ken, yet another long winded bitch post that no one can learn anything from.
Tulpa finally got something right.
"Wow Ken, yet another long winded bitch post that no one can learn anything from."
I suspect that the reason you don't write longer posts--containing rational arguments with premises and conclusions--is because you can't.
I usually skip over your posts if they aren't addressed to me--because, unlike a lot of other people--I've never noticed you posting anything interesting enough to read. Can you link to a rational argument you've made at some point, say, over the last year?
Wow Ken yet another long winded post that no one can learn anything from.
Please stop proving Tulpa right.
Can you link to a rational argument you've made at some point, say, over the last year?
Since you asked like a bitch
Ken, someday you will learn that the trolls are just waiting for you to talk to them.
Let them stay under the bridge, Ken.
Yes Ken is exceptionally basic, but he makes up for it by being tiresome, long winded, and unapologetically one-note.
Look Sparky and Tulpa, Le Maitre Chat is probably above your reading level, but you might enjoy watching some Dr. Seuss.
Ken, McCarthy was right. All leftist smears and revisionism aside. Marxism has flourished in every area he attacked since he was stopped.
People should only be punished for what they do. Not what they think. And the thousands of people who lost their jobs and were ostracized because of what they thought at one time weren't the only victims. There was a paranoid environment of fear at speaking out or against various things for the fear of being called a communist. McCarthy wasn't right to initiate that--whether there really was a communist in the government somewhere or not.
It's the same thing today with racism, homophobia, and sexism. I care far less about what people say and think, in regards to those things, compared to what they do. We're seeing people ostracized, lose their livelihoods, and be ostracized for merely sticking up for those who've been accused, and it isn't just the ones we see in the headlines that are paying the price for that. It's also the rest of us who have to live in a world where we're all too scared to speak up when someone is accused of what amounts to crime--because of what they think.
Thoughts cannot be crimes.
Spies for the Soviets weren't being persecuted for what they believed. You can tell the difference between a communist in the U.S. government spying for the Soviets and a labor union activist from the 1930s, can't you? One of them is and should be a criminal act. The other one is believing what you want and being free to say what you think. Yeah, I'll stand up for the First Amendment rights of communists, and now it's time for people on the left to stand up for the rights of other stupid people to believe and say other stupid things--or be called out for their failure.
"The journalists who contribute to this are shit stains in society's underpants."
Publishers are a much better class of people.
60 years from now, people are going to look back on this era of American history and wonder how people ever had the time to post so many comments on the Internet.
What, do you work in a factory?
You're here literally all hours of the day and night. It's fucking sad.
Meh, he checks in on a regular basis instead of texting a friend to ask for pics of lunch.
Hasson and Smollett represent America in Bizarro world.
Yep, it's like nobody knows what a bell curve is.
interesting that Hasson's supposed plans are only addressed in the vaguest terms by the authorities, except to describe how horrific they would have been. shouldn't there have been some specifics if he had some kind of concrete plans, rather than just sick fever dreams??
Right wing terrorist = Left wing Liar.
EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!!!
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People in Drumpf's America can't afford shoes or ketchup or mac & cheese.
Buffett isn't personally losing a lot there, but the scumbag should. He's made tons on crony-connections for years and continues to whine he 'doesn't pay enough taxes' when no one is keeping him from paying as much as he chooses (not to do)
I can only wish Buffett's operations bankruptcy.
His shtick is indeed tiresome.
Pay your fucking bet screech.
The headline is all I read because it should have been "Trump supporters and immigration rationalists are not as racist as we have attempted to claim in our dishonest politically motivated smears against them"
Go pound salt, Nick!
"America Is Not as Racist as Jussie Smollet's Defenders Fear or White Supremacists Hope"
Because Smollett's defenders are so *totally* not racist.
I picked up on that heading too... but perhaps for different reasons.
I don't believe for a second that Sollet's defenders fear that America is racist. No, they hope for racism. They love racism. They have a fever dream for racism. It is one of the pillars of their existence. They stoke racism at every turn.
They roll around in their racism like a hog in mud. Racism is their closest friend. They most certainly don't fear it.
And while white supremacists might hope that america is just as racist as they are, it would be tough to tell. Because you probably couldn't figure out how to get enough of them in one place to reserve an entire room at the Golden Coral buffet.
Progtards ARE racist. The worst of them all.
Yeah, I read the headline at first as "America Is Not as Racist as Jussie Smollet's Defenders Hope" . . . seemed more to the point 🙂
White Americans are not as racist as the Left tries to convince you.
But the Left is much much more racist.
Democratic Party was literally the Party of slavery.
Not sure how you can get more racist than wanting to own people.
Its one thing to say you hate lazy Wetbacks or whatever, it another to set up a system to own them as property. A WHOLE different kind of racism.
They keep repeating this idiotic claim about blacks and LBGTQ individuals getting attacked every day.
Look, nobody cares what color you are. Nobody cares who you have sex with. This is true for very large values of nobody. For a couple of decades we've had openly gay characters on TV. For the last decade or so it seems that nearly every show needs to have a gay character, gay themes and/or something about a trans character. The Learning Chanel has more LBGTQAI programming than LOGO. Nobody gives a rat's but who you sleep with.
And america hasn't given a rip about what race you are since before Cosby brought his sitcom family to TV.
That being said, there are 350 million people in the US. Given that vast swath of people, you are going to have a sizable number of crazies running around who want to hurt people. They are not a product of a racist society. They are just nut-jobs. Sure, some might say they attacked people because they were black. Or gay. Or because Zenu told them to. But in reality they are just a crazy dude doing crazy dude stuff. They are not a symptom of anything other than their own serious mental illness.
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Well, the open borders crowd is correct. He had to hire foreigners to commit the hate crimes Americans just won't commit, apparently.
I am 57 years old white man, and I beg to differ with your opinion. Every workplace I have ever worked at has been racist. My white friends are racist. My family is racist.
And I live in the north where racism is supposedly not as bad as say "Alabamy"
My whole life I have witnessed people saying they do not want to pay for the "Lazy niggers". I tell them, then have the lazy white men who brought them here pay.
John Lennon sang in Strawberry Fields, "Living is easy with eyes closed, Misunderstanding all you see"
Preference for one's own kind is a beneficial evolutionary strategy since these creatures are more likely to have the same genes as you do. Hence, racism is the default.
Overcoming this preference, and recognizing our common humanity, is a civilizing principle, much like males renouncing rape.
It has not been less racist in decades. Don't know why Northerners are so convinced otherwise.
The only possible way this is not total BS is if you've spent your life working with blue collar white men.
You hang around racist pieces of shit, your family is racist, and where you work is racist.
That makes the USA racist to YOU.
Why don't you quit, ditch your friends and family, and move?
Some White people are racist to others. Some Black people are racist to others. Some Hispanics are racist to others.
If America was as racist as you want it to be, then Oprah would never be a Billionaire.
Atlas, sounds like a bunch of democrats to me.
"I tell them, then have the lazy white men who brought them here pay."
They aint listening. They've been dead a long time. It has been illegal to import slaves to the US since 1808. Over 200 years ago.
"You must pay for the sins of whites dead over a century" sounds kind of racist to me. I'm thinking he and I have very different definitions of racism.
Even my racist friends aren't really racist. They have good friends who are other races.
7175 hate crimes, 325 million people in US.
Actually, America is very racist. It's just an inverted racism, in favor of minority groups, and the racists demand that it not be recognized as "racist".
The Democratic party has been the party of racism going back essentially to its origins. They made an effort to change late in the civil rights movement, and I'll even credit that it was a sincere effort, but they lacked the philosophical/ideological underpinnings necessary to embrace non-discrimination, and so in the end all they managed to do was continue being a racist party, but swapping client races. Now they engage in a nominally paternalistic racism in favor of (select) minorities, which is functionally indistinguishable from racism against everybody else, primarily whites and Asians.
But they're still the greatest obstacle to ridding America of racism, because they can't accept the blunt truth that the only way to end discrimination really IS to stop discriminating..
Amen Brett!!! I don't know when this whole issue will ever be seriously addressed... I've kinda given up on it, sad to say... My outrage glands are wearing out!
The Democratic Party is the Party of slavery and somehow their followers have deluded themselves that they are not being slaves to the white Lefty elites in charge of the Democrat machine.
All the claims of racism are just a tool to get rid of the opposition to Lefty agendas.
" Now they engage in a nominally paternalistic racism in favor of (select) minorities,"
That's not racism. That's a party doing what it can for the people who voted for them and put them in power. That's the way representative democracy is designed to work. Racism is the belief or ideology that one's race (more concretely skin colour) is one's determining feature. ie purity of blood is important and a host of other related notions that tag along. As I say, very few, but apparently enough, Americans are racist. It's crackpot stuff. Bigots, though, there are plenty of them.
No you racist bitch, it's racism. Stop trying to excuse your evil.
You have a lot of blood on your hands.
A party catering to its base is not racism. All parties do this.
A party catering to its base is not racism
The party OF racism catering to it's base can be nothing BUT racist.
Because that IS it's base.
It is not the 'catering to' that's wrong, it's the thing that's getting catered to--in this case, racism.
It's the archtype of institutional racism.
"It's the archtype of institutional racism."
What is? Black people voting for the democrats? That's what you call racism? I think you need to meditate on this.
Why would Black Americans ever vote for the Democratic Party, the Party of slavery? The Democratic Party was not only the Party that most slave owners were part of but then after losing the Civil War, used oppressive state laws to keep freed Black Americans in institutional chains for over 100 years.
Most freed slaves did not have the money to leave the South after the Civil war or wanted to stay for other reasons. They were then subject to segregation, Jim Crowe laws, and open racism by Southern Democrats.
The Republican Party was founded to get rid of slavery and accomplished this.
"Why would Black Americans ever vote for the Democratic Party, the Party of slavery? "
Some of them vote Republican, the party that , abolished slavery. As to why a particular voter votes for a party, you'd have to ask the voter. I'm sure reasons vary with the individual.
"They were then subject to segregation, Jim Crowe laws, and open racism by Southern Democrats."
That changed to a great degree in the 1960s and 1970s. In the 1930s a committed white supresegregationist and democrat was governor of Georgia. In the 1960s and 1970s, the anti segregationist Jimmy Carter was in charge. Alabama was a similar story, electing segregationist democrats into the 1970s. That's almost 50 years ago.
By the way., the first integrationist party of the modern era was the Communist Party of the USA. Stalin, who was in charge of the Comintern at the time, was besieged by communists from all over the world seeking his stamp of approval. This included a bunch of disputatious Lithuanians from New York who were told to put their squabbling aside and unite, and to include American Blacks in their party.
Racism is taking statistical generalizations about race, (They may be valid or invalid generalizations, doesn't matter.) and then applying them to individuals who could feasibly be treated on the basis of individualized information about them. Basically it's treating individuals as mere instances of a group, instead of individuals.
The left is all about that. Affirmative action, guilt mongering, reparations; None of it pays attention to individual histories or merit, they're all about racial group, and nothing else.
"Basically it's treating individuals as mere instances of a group, instead of individuals."
Isn't that collectivism? Why do you call it racism then? Or is it collectivism when applied to whites, but racism when applied to blacks.
You seem to be parroting somebody else's talking points rather than thinking this through for yourself.
Colectivism is perhaps related, but it isn't the same thing as racism. There's room in the world for more than one way of being wrong.
And why do you assume i'm not smart enough to come up with my own talking points?
Your talking points show little thought or originality. The notion that blacks voting for democrats is racism while whites voting for a different party isn't racism is asinine. And it makes you seem intent on vilifying black folks.
Ah, when did I say anything like that? Maybe you've got me confused with someone else?
" Maybe you've got me confused with someone else?"
You're confused unless you believe that all America's racists vote Democrat. That seems to be what you want to say, but are too mealymouthed and confused to put it so bluntly.
There are more defenders of Smollett than white supremacists.
Discuss.
The fact they have to manufacture hate through hoaxes to 'show' or 'make aware' points more to the suspicion racism/bigotry - while still around and will alway be so long as humans exist - is on the wane if not almost a secondary issue. Hence, they lie because, I think, victimhood pays off. It's a cottage industry.
Add that it probably attracts self-centred or narcissistic personalities and you have a 'white guys attacked me at Panera Bread!' stories.
Up here, the most recent example was an 11 year-old Muslim girl who faked being attacked by white people in Toronto - a story so preposterous I was sure people would have dismissed it but nope. The CBC and Justin the identity political dink tried to capitalize on it (much like Harris and Booker tried with Jussie) before the facts came in. Worse, they let her off the hook. Never mind Muslims have a looooonnnnggggg way to go before they face anything the Jews have over the centuries. Call me when there literally is a Muslim version of the pogrom. Until then, excuse me if I'm skeptical.
Imagine if he succeeded? Innocent people could have been caught in the crossfire.
Man oh man. If this is how the left sees things under 45, I shudder (hello Lionel Hutz!) to think what they're going to do for encore if he wins in 2020. At the moment, not enough effort is being put on where the blame squarely lies since Trump was elected. On the progressive left.
Instead we get this 'they're just as bad' and 'to be sure' nonsense.
But to be sure, I am a bigger victim than you are!!!
But wait... After I collect more victim-points goodies than you do, are you not the victim of my superior victimhood?
My head is starting to spin... If I start to spin my head 360 degrees and more, and start spitting gray-green split-pea soup, PLEASE call my exorcist!!!
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Go look at what happened at Berkeley with that poor kid who got punched out by a cowardly left-wing punk filled with irrational rage.
it happens a lot. On the other hand, find ONE incident like this on campuses of conservatives doing that to liberals.
It's nuts to talk about 'white supremacists' as if they're anywhere on par with the lunatic left.
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Well, we've had swastikas painted on our property. It was in 2017. Never had any vandalism except eggs on Halloween before that. So, saying that hate crime doesn't exist or is decreasing goes against my personal experience. However, that's one anecdote not statistics.
I've yet to find anyone who defends Smollet. What an idiot. Paid to have black guys pretend to assault him with a personal check.
Why would someone put swastikas on your property?
Why do people egg your house?
I would bet these are not coincidental acts of vandalism. Maybe you are just the most unlucky person alive.
Even civil rights groups like the ADL say that swastika graffiti is done mostly by people for shock value.
I guess other symbols are used by rightists.
That's because there are like, literally, only a few ACTUAL Nazis in the entire country. There are loads more racists, or people who believe in a keeping the USA a majority white nation if at all possible. But those people are overwhelmingly NOT Nazis. They mostly hate Nazis too.
People forget that basically ALL societies before a couple decades ago were racist in one way or another, and many STILL ARE outside of the west. Everybody wants to make it out like if you have a single opinion that some think is "racist" that you want to exterminate everybody outside your race or something. Which is BS.
Ethno-nationalism is an almost 100% peaceful chunk of people who just think countries should be free to maintain their traditional ethnic composition... Hardly a horrible or evil concept.
Asian supremacy in China and Japan are the de facto view of the people AND their government. But they're not trying to gas all the Jews or anything.
If anything, different types of "racist" opinions should be properly discussed for what they actually are, and not just lumped into "It's all Nazi shit!" or whatever.
" Hardly a horrible or evil concept."
It's a dead end and a solution to nothing. Where have you been for the last 200 years? Clinging to some ethnic predominance of the past.
"Asian supremacy in China and Japan are the de facto view of the people "
It isn't. Japanese have no special attachment to Asia, rather like the English don't consider themselves as European. China has a more positive view of Asia, but since the communists took over, the Chinese have been promoting multiculturalism. They have identified more than 50 ethnic nationalities that make up the country. It's arguably a cynical exercise, but it's certainly not promoting Asian supremacy. Chinese money is interesting in this regard, with portraits of some of the minorities on the bills of different denominations. If I remember correctly, the 5 kuai note contentiously featured both a Tibetan and a Moslem, long sworn enemies of each other.
Asia first. The Chinese LITERALLY brag about how East Asians have higher IQs than any other large ethnic group (which I agree with), and this is why they are superior, and will dominate the 21st century... If that ain't supremacy, I don't know what is. The Japanese, like the Brits, think they are BETTER than all the other Asians... And they may well be right, because the Japanese are awesome.
As for the rest... Correction: About 50 years, since progs have managed to fully convince Europeans that they're singularly evil and in need of atonement... For crimes ALL races have committed. Hence we need to destroy our own lands by becoming minorities in our own countries, because we're evil. It IS NOT happening ANYWHERE else on earth at any scale whatsoever, because the rest of the world isn't retarded.
If you think the idea of a nation, it's people, and it's culture is "a dead end and a solution to nothing." You're a MORON.
What makes America America is people like me. Who I am, the culture I was raised in, the history of my people that shapes that culture. I like guns, free speech, and low taxes BECAUSE I'm an American. What makes Germany Germany is the same. What makes Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia is ALSO the same.
Those peoples, histories, and cultures are what MAKE places what they are. It ain't the dirt moron.
If you took 10 million random Americans and shoved them into the WORST parts of Africa, with nothing but the clothes on their back, that part of Africa would be a first world country in 20 or 30 years. You could do the same with the Japanese.You could ALSO take Berlin or San Francisco ot Tokyo and hand it to 10 million Africans, and it would look like Africa after 20 or 30 years.
Until utopia magically arrives, it FUCKING MATTERS. And people have a right to their own lands, without being forced against their will to give them up to foreigners.
We rightly say it was immoral for whites to come in and jack 2 entire continents from Native Americans... Why? Because we took their right to live in their own land in their own way away from them. THAT is the crime. And it is a crime to do it to other peoples now.
I suspect prog fags like you would be bitched an AWFUL LOT if all of a sudden white people decided to immigrate to saaay Honduras by the millions, start demanding the locals change their HORRIBLE culture, flooded in until they outnumbered the locals, then declared victory. Especially if the majority of the native population was against it, and only the ruling elite of that country enabled the mass migration.
That's EXACTLY what is happening in the European world right now. And it's bullshit.
"ALSO take Berlin or San Francisco ot Tokyo and hand it to 10 million Africans, and it would look like Africa after 20 or 30 years."
Says the guy who's never been to Africa, Berlin, Tokyo or San Francisco. You can't help yourself, being a nationalist and all.
"The Chinese LITERALLY brag about how East Asians have higher IQs than any other large ethnic group (which I agree with), and this is why they are superior, and will dominate the 21st century..."
Some do. Others have a great admiration for all things European. Still others are too ignorant and stupid to have an opinion on the matter. You know little about China and Japan. Best not to make sweeping statements about what they believe. No matter what FOX news tells you.
"You're a MORON."
But I'm not a nationalist, a hangover from the era of the anti-rational Romance which has caused endless suffering and turmoil. I tell you clinging to demographic dominance is a dead end. Give it up and find something else to invest your energies in.
Ugh, first off I've been to SF, since I grew up in the area... I currently live in another trendy metro, Seattle... You may have heard of it? I have actually been to Berlin too, genius! I have not been to Africa though... Nothing outside of Egypt, for the cool ancient stuff, and South Africa has much appeal.
I don't watch Fox much, I'm not a TV guy... I also know about Asians more than you do apparently... Obviously opinions vary on ALL THINGS in a country, lots of Asians are Europhiles, but the kind of consensus in China is basically what I said. The Japanese also think very highly of themselves, AS THEY SHOULD. To point out that opinions differ is irrelevant, there is such a thing as an average or general opinion on subjects.
We'll see how you feel about becoming a minority in your own homeland when, well, we start being TREATED like minorities always do. Which is to say like shit. Our opinions ignored by the majority. Hell, with whites it's even okay to discriminate against them via law when a minority, see South Africa and other former colonies. You'll get yours if people like me don't win the day.
You seem to miss that it's not about hate, it's just common sense to not allow yourself to become a minority in your own lands. That's just an idiotic idea given how minority groups are ALWAYS treated by the majority.
That Coastie's "arsenal" was a joke. Mine is *way* bigger.
The MSM can't comprehend how a normal person would want to own even one gun, let alone have a collection of guns. The first report I heard made it sound like he was ready to equip a small army.
I've known a few racist people in my life. In each case they were inconsequential losers with no impact whatsoever on society.
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My first thought when that coast guard guy's story came up on the news...
"well LastoftheShitlords finally snapped"
The truth is there are far more anti-white hate crimes in the USA than all others combined. I have personally been harassed and worse just for being white, by black folks. And even Hispanics, even though I'm part Mexican myself.
The truth is when things like "The mugger called me a cracker and a white piece of shit while mugging me, and said he did it because I deserved it for being white." etc etc etc it will NEVER end up getting tagged as a hate crime. Ditto for beating somebody up for no reason and hurling insults at them.
All the interracial crime shows that whites are overwhelmingly the VICTIM of such crimes, not the perps. This is robbery, murder, rape, assault, etc. The whole nine yards.
So when there are THOUSANDS of blacks being mugged, murdered, and raped in the US by whites every year... Then we can have this discussion. Until then it's utter BS being used to push a false narrative of whites as evil oppressors, when we're basically the ones being attacked.
"when we're basically the ones being attacked."
We? You just admitted to being Mexican.
Yeah, I'm part Mexican. I'm also part Indian from other parts of the USA. I'm mostly non Hispanic white though. Depending on how much sun I've been getting lately I will either look like a fairly normal "proper" white guy, or somebody that might pass for fairly tan Italian or Hispanic of some variety.
I kind of get it both ways depending on the situation and circumstances. I'm definitely just a honky to black folks, and if I don't have a tan I'm usually that to Mexicans until I bust out the "I'm part Mexican" which AMAZINGLY enough actually makes people go from being hostile to cool instantly. But whites are the only ones that are racist...
"I'm mostly non Hispanic white though. "
Good one. Me too. Not only am I white, but I don't have any of that nasty hispanic blood that flows through the veins of so many people claiming to be proper white folks. This is racist bullshit through and through.
Using standard demographic terms is horrible and racist now? If I was discussing the difference between my mostly German side, and the Scotch-English slice I have, would it be offensive to say "I'm mostly Germanic, not Anglo-Scottish." or whatever?
I'm not some silly racial purist. I don't have a problem with being part Spanish and native. Hell, the Spaniards were a good lot! They conquered nearly as much as the British, which is something to be proud of! Most white Americans are a bit of a mutt one way or another, and that's fine.
None of this means there aren't self imposed dividing lines or distinctions that pop up with people. NOTE most Hispanics SEE THEMSELVES as being different from Anglo-Germanic Europeans, as do blacks, Asians, etc obviously. French descended people in Louisiana are very proud of this, despite not being particularly distinct from other honkies. There's nothing wrong with this sort of thing. Americans are the most ancestry obsessed people in the world BECAUSE we're so mixed up, and people LIKE having something to identify with. It's human nature you weirdo.
What exactly did Hasson do?
Fantasize? Do drugs?
Were the guns obtained illegally? Because 15 guns with around a hundred bullets each doesn't sound like a lot. People collect guns.
The drugs were illegal, so they can charge him with that.
But it's not illegal to fantasize about killing people. It's not illegal to write it all down and plan it out. Not at all.
I can't help but notice the progression though.
Buzzfeed's leak turns out to be false and embarrassing to the lefties so Cov Cath kids.
Cov Cath kids turns out to be false and embarrassing to the lefties so Jussie Smollett.
Jussie Smollet turns out to be false and embarrassing to the lefties so Christopher Hasson.
It's like an endless game of look over there! every time their shit blows up in their faces.
They need a racist to prove how horrible the US is and no one's cooperating.
ALL collectivists resort to tu quoque arguments. What else have they got?
Black politicians weren't waxing poetics and calling for nationwide laws protecting the police when Christopher Dorner (a police officer with legal guns) went on a shooting rampage. That incident drew half the outrage of the Smollett hoax. No one's buying the left's sad little deflection game. Biased people shouldn't complain about bias when it bites them.
Some people might believe America is racist, others will disagree. Many Trumpers erroneously believe that free trade is bad for the economy. But the left isn't merely misguided in their conviction, but will resort to dangerous power game and mob action to advance it.
If there was a string hang on a branch of a tree, the left will criminalize an entire class of people, politicians, and society at large even before any fact is known. The crime is ALWAYS a manifestation of a larger and systematic oppression - Trump effect, violent right wing rhetoric, toxic masculinity, Islamophobia, etc etc. Classes will be cancelled, apologies will be called for, new laws will be proposed, etc etc.
It's a recipe for a witch hunt, especially because the left wants to believe their brand of victims. They WANT to. If you say Smollett might be lying or could be just an isolated incident even if true, that goes against their set in stone worldview that the protected class is constantly under assault by the dominant class. It shapes and drives their entire ideology.
Let the record show that collateral damage shooter Doerner was also against the Second Amendment.
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The objectively correct term is racial collectivism. To arrive at adjectivally-hyphenated collectivism, the collectivism has to be there in the first place or the modifier has nothing to stick to. It's like religious nationalsocialism versus lay international socialism. Both are socialist and hence alien to libertarian people--who live in a different Venn diagram.