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Trump's State of the Union Will Probably Be About a Border Wall That 60% of Americans Say They Don't Want

The president has devoted himself to a pointless, self-defeating project.

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If the last month is any guide, President Trump will devote much of his State of the Union Address tonight to demanding that congressional Democrats acquiesce to his request for $5.7 billion in federal funding to build hundreds of mile of wall along the southern border.

In the process, he will probably harm the political fortunes of himself, his cause, and his party. The State of the Union will become a spectacle of self-defeat.

Over and over, Trump has linked his calls for the wall to crime, drugs, and human trafficking, repeating bizarre and baseless stories about women dragged into the U.S. while bound with duct tape. Although exaggerated fears of immigrant criminality have been a key feature of Trump's politics since the beginning of his presidential campaign, in the aftermath of last year's midterm election, the president has become obsessed with the need for a wall, tweeting and talking about it extensively, and, of course, shutting down the government in a failed effort to force congressional leaders to provide funding.

For Trump and his inner circle, the wall has become the dominant policy concern, to the exclusion of nearly all else: As an administration official told The New York Times last month, it has become a one-issue White House.

That obsession has already cost the president politically, pushing down his approval numbers while leaving his primary political antagonist, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, more popular. There is every reason to believe that continuing to dwell on wall demands tonight would have a similar effect. If he builds his State of the Union around the wall, he will be building it around an issue with little constituency outside the most pro-Trump factions of the Republican party.

According to a Gallup poll released yesterday, Americans are broadly opposed to the wall, with 60 percent against it and 40 percent in favor. Those numbers are slightly worse for Trump's cause than when Gallup polled the same question last June and found 57 percent opposed and 41 percent in support. The percentage of respondents who say they are "strongly" opposed has risen from 34 percent to 39 percent. If anything, the president's emphasis on the wall has made the public less enthusiastic about it; his use of the bully pulpit to advance a signature issue has been counterproductive

Trump's failure to convince congressional Democrats to fund the wall has led him to threaten a more drastic step—circumventing Congress entirely by declaring a state of emergency at the border.

There is, of course, no actual border security emergency, nothing that justifies a questionable executive branch power grab. The emergency declaration is designed for instances in which Congress does not have time to act; by threatening to declare an emergency at some eventual point only if Congress does not act, Trump is thus making clear that an emergency declaration would be inappropriate. The only emergency that exists is the political emergency of a stubborn president who is not getting his way. It is an emergency that exists entirely inside Trump's mind.

Declaring a state of emergency at the border might resolve Trump's personal frustrations, but it would put his allies in Congress in a difficult position. Congressional Republicans largely escaped political blowback for the shutdown, and so far they have generally supported Trump's wall demands, while letting the president lead on the issue. But the emergency declaration might be a step too far, in part because it would force congressional Republicans to go on record with either support or rebuke for the idea, via a vote that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell would not be able to block. That is probably why McConnell has reportedly warned Trump that the move would divide and harm his own party.

An emergency declaration would also be wildly unpopular—even more so than the wall itself. Although 73 percent of Republicans favor using an emergency declaration to get around Congress, according to a CBS News poll, 66 percent of Americans oppose a declaration of emergency to obtain wall funding. It is an idea that appeals almost exclusively to Trump's dwindling support base.

The unpopularity of the wall and of strong-arm tactics to secure its funding has never been any secret. Yet Trump has pursued it with increasing fervor anyway, despite the obvious consequences. Even more amazingly, he has done so as immigration restrictionists have signaled that the wall is a largely symbolic measure rather than a substantive achievement. Trump has devoted his presidency to an own goal. The wall is both a massive loser in the court of public opinion and a pointless policy objective, and Trump is the only one who doesn't seem to know it.

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148 responses to “Trump's State of the Union Will Probably Be About a Border Wall That 60% of Americans Say They Don't Want

  1. Over half of Americans didn’t want Obamacare when it passed either, by the way, not like the (non-Reason) media would have let you know that.

    1. So, Trump wall good?

    2. What was TARP, chopped liver?

      1. I believe tarps are commonly used to keep bodily fluids from ruining carpets, furniture, and drapes during intense lovemaking sessions.

        1. Always check to see if you’re standing on plas…tic.

        2. Oh man, I could tell you a story about some creepy feller who got busted using a company FTP to transfer several terraquads of poopy porn. They let him go quietly saying something about irregularities with software licences but the IT tech that found it told someone who told someone and then the whole company found out I guess which was pretty terrible for his fiancee who was still employed there, but who had been seen buying some heavy duty mattress protection of some sort.

    3. Whataboutism doesn’t work my friend. You need a cogent argument, not a “what about….”

      1. His cogent argument was that it doesn’t matter what people want. Government’s gonna government. He was just giving an example. It wasn’t a “whataboutism” which is a stupid thing to complain about anyway.

      2. Whoaboutism, Whataboutism, Whereaboutism, Whenaboutism, Whyaboutism, and Whineaboutism are the pronciple of New Journolistism.

        1. Whoaboutism, Whataboutism, Whereaboutism, Whenaboutism, Whyaboutism, and Whineaboutism are the principles of New Journolistism.

      3. It does for the feeble minded.

    4. I wonder what the real story with this 60% is. Are these people like those for Obamacare who loved all the individual parts, but hated the whole thing when it was called Obamacare? I suspect that if you asked people if they are in favor of better technology at the border, increased CBP funding and staffing, clearing out the immigration court backlog, cracking down on VISA abuse, and protective barriers where needed, most people would support all of that. But say it is Trump’s wall, and 60% of the people oppose it reflexively, even though Chocolate Messiah was in favor of all the same stuff a mere three years ago.

  2. They are emphatically against the wall because they know it will work!

    1. +1,000

  3. Out of curiosity, is the 60% NIMBY (So. California, Arizona, Texas) or is is NIYBY (NY, Illinois, Oregon, No. California)?

    In this case, tyranny of the majority may need to be tempered by the people most influenced by the artifact.

    Also, if we killed a lot of the transfer payments and education from federal sources (both somewhat high on Reason Policy preferences, right?), what would the impact on Blue State immigration policy platforms?

    Open Borders, Welfare State. Pick one. You actually can’t afford both.

    1. “Open Borders, Welfare State. Pick one. You actually can’t afford both.”

      Bullshit. Welfare is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost savings on multiple goods and services provided by the open flow of labor across borders.

      1. That assumes that all the new immigrants are illegal and therefore their employers are able to pay them wages below those mandated by law.

        1. I agree that the argument that we need to “eliminate welfare in order to have open borders” is not valid. But, neither is the “open southern border” argument, which you are making.

          1. “I agree that the argument that we need to “eliminate welfare in order to have open borders” is not valid”

            Then you’re an idiot agreeing with another idiot.


          2. I agree that the argument that we need to “eliminate welfare in order to have open borders” is not valid.

            I assume you say this because open borders doesn’t mean anything in terms of welfare, since technically we have open borders right now today and theoretically they aren’t eligible for welfare right now today.

        2. Even if they’re here legally, their wage expectations are much less than that of a local. That keeps costs down.

          1. Your argument boils down to an educated guess based in myth.

            1. “Educated guess based in myth”

              – Isn’t that what everyone is doing? But I’d hardly call the law of supply and demand “myth”.

              1. Illegals cost us money. They are not a net gain. Stop dragging out that discredited old canard.

                1. “Illegals cost us money. They are not a net gain. Stop dragging out that discredited old canard.”

                  -Your argument boils down to an educated guess based in myth.

                  1. No Eric, it doesn’t. It boils down to actual dollars spent. As you are a huge booster of illegals, you are unwilling to see that.

              2. “But I’d hardly call the law of supply and demand “myth””

                Except you weren’t arguing supply and demand. You were not arguing that these people will come regardless of the wall, which would be a defensible argument. You argued myth. You argued that somehow more immigrants will automatically lead to cheaper prices and reduced cost. There is nothing to support that argument other than your need for it to be true.

              3. How about the law of supply and demand as seen through the massively distorted lens of government intervention? I’m sure setting a price floor for labor has no effects on the demand for immigrant labor, right?

                /sarc

      2. Perhaps we mean different things by welfare. In addition to subsidising being poor, I mean public education, public medical, you know, “free” or greatly below cost stuff from government.

        1. Education is typically funded by local property taxes, so unless you expect most immigrants to be homeless they will be paying the same property taxes as legal immigrants and citizens

          Also, there’s no reason you can’t have open borders while restricting what government services people can qualify for, for example you could allow unlimited visa-free travel, or even visa-free employment, but require a visa for access to public services


          1. Education is typically funded by local property taxes, so unless you expect most immigrants to be homeless they will be paying the same property taxes as legal immigrants and citizens

            Let us also not forget that this also puts citizens into direct competition for land and housing with immigrants, illegal and otherwise. Good thing the United States doesn’t have any housing issues, am I right? I’m also sure this won’t have any effect on illegal immigrants being able to afford housing. Everyone knows when you increase demand for a limited resource, it has no effect upon the price of said resource. Right?

            /sarc

            1. I’d estimate illegals increased the rent I had to pay on my apartment anywhere from 10-25% vs what I would’ve otherwise played, based on their numbers. Might be lowballing it a little

          2. “there’s no reason you can’t have open borders while restricting what government services people can qualify for”

            Yes there is a reason. It’s the same argument that democrats make now… that people here cant get healthcare and all the other free shit everyone else does. All your plan is doing is delaying the creep. After that, they get to vote. Your plan is nothing but a socialism slow play.

          3. People keep pushing this idiotic belief that property taxes completely envelope education costs… why? Hasn’t been true for years.

      3. “Bullshit. Welfare is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost savings on multiple goods and services provided by the open flow of labor across borders.”

        Whew! We have a real ignorant one here.

        The net surplus of immigration to Americans is about $50 billion (which accrues mostly to a privileged few), and it’s canceled out by a corresponding $50 billion taxpayer expense. Privatized gain, socialized expense.

        Meanwhile, immigration results in a $500 billion redistribution of wealth among Americans — generally, from the working and middle classes, to a privileged few.

      4. Eric: “Bullshit. Welfare is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost savings on multiple goods and services provided by the open flow of labor across borders.”

        That’s just BS. Just pure BS.

        Consider an unskilled laborer who crosses the border. Assume he actually gets a job. He will bring the wages of unskilled laborers down a little, perhaps reducing them from $20K to $16K, maybe. So, he saves the rest of us a few thousand (optimistically) through his labor. But we now have to pay for greater benefits for the unskilled Americans he has caused to be unemployed. He pays almost no taxes. He and his family are eligible for a host of programs, from police and fire, to snap, food stamps, WIC, public schools, including universities, hospitals, clinics, etc.

        In short, low-income, unskilled people of all types cost the rest of us vastly more than they create, even if they work at a job.

        1. Whole lotta stupid in that one.

          1. Yet, that’s the best rebuttal you can muster.
            Insufficient

        2. Whole lotta stupid in that one.

    2. Do you people never tire of being wrong about everything?

      1. Solid argument

        1. The best thing that could happen to the welfare state is a population of immigrants who skew young, pay taxes, and receive no benefits.

          But then they have slightly swarthier skin than some people prefer, so lies lies lies lies lies lies. Fuck you.

          1. First, I’m not making that argument. Second, the best thing to happen to welfare would be the end of welfare. End of story

            1. Just like all those other civilized countries with no welfare state. Oh wait, the welfare state essentially defines being a civilized place. Keep your sci-fi fantasies to yourself, just as you do with whatever else you jerk off to. Evidence, man. It’s not optional.

              1. “Oh wait, the welfare state essentially defines being a civilized place.”

                So says the socialist

                “Evidence, man. It’s not optional.”

                Cool, then provide it. Prove that the welfare state is awesome and all cuddly. Because in reality private actors still provide the bulk of welfare in a cheaper and more efficient and effective manner. The welfare system, like most government programs, is just a jobs bank for government workers

                1. As evidence I present every first-world country in the world. Your turn!

                  1. Well then by this logic we should also restrict abortion to twenty weeks as every first-world nation in the world does it. Your turn!

                    1. Why does someone always have to bring up abortion? I bet you’re real fun at parties. Jesus fuck.

                    2. You pulled the old “everyone else is doing it, so..” like an adult who supposedly has a functioning brain. So, I responded in kind

                    3. Don’t you mean you KILLED BABIES FOR FUN?

                      WHAT ABOUT BABIES?

                    4. I get it, you look stupid and you’re embarrassed that your argument in favor of welfare boils down to nothing more than “but…but…government”. It’s OK, someday you’ll start developing a belief system more mature than a ten year-old

                2. “The welfare system, like most government programs, is just a jobs bank for government workers”

                  Word.
                  Also, subcontractors- especially NGOs
                  The welfare industrial complex is a thing.

              2. “the welfare state essentially defines being a civilized place”

                No.

                Although I’m sure your totalitarian masters decided that at a party meeting and ordered you to think that, eh comrade?


              3. Oh wait, the welfare state essentially defines being a civilized place.

                You heard it here first people. Venezuela and Cuba are very civilized, per Tony.

          2. “The best thing that could happen to the welfare state is a population of immigrants who skew young, pay taxes, and receive no benefits.”

            Tony, we’re talking about illegals, not immigrants.

            You’re confused.

          3. Young first generation immigrants don’t pay taxes they mostly get tax credits. Next argument

      2. If I am right more than 40%, I call it a win. But I can admit when I am wrong, or that things have changed.

        1. Go back to your beet soup, noob.

          1. You’ve reached new levels of stupid in this thread. Congrats

            1. You must be new here.

    3. Then get rid of the welfare state.

      1. Getting rid of people like Tony would make that so much easier.

      2. Not an option.

        Even if it were, I don’t want to get rid of support for people who actually need it.

        1. That support could easily come from private charity if govt. weren’t parasitically consuming such a massive amount of our economy for welfare.

          1. Not to mention that government style support disincentivizes advancing employment, incentivizes single motherhood, and fosters dependence.
            We now have families that are 4 generations deep on public provision.
            That’s not a safety net, it’s a way of life.

  4. That obsession has already cost the president politically, pushing down his approval numbers while leaving his primary political antagonist, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, more popular.

    Hahaha.

    Must be same poll that Hillary as our 45th President.

    You media propagandists just cannot help yourself and not cite false information, can you? If Pelosi is so popular, then why was she challenged for the Speaker position?

    1. For real. 40-60, +/- 15 points for error, sounds legit.

    2. Ahh, knew our favorite Trump apologist would be back. Polls had Trump with a 30% chance or so of winning. What simpletons like you don’t realize is that it is not saying Trump would get 30% of the votes. His win fell well within the polls bounds.

      Hard to wrap your tiny head around that eh?

  5. It would be crazy if he emphasized the infanticide bill that Senate Democrats just blocked. Then you’ll have to write an article about how it doesn’t matter that virtually no one support infanticide, because something something reproductive rights.

    1. “Guys, it doesn’t matter what polls say all of a sudden.”

    2. It would be crazy if he emphasized the infanticide bill that Senate Democrats just blocked.

      You mean the bill that tried to prevent people from refusing medical care for their incapacitated next-of-kin? Super libertarian, that.

      1. That’s a good myth that is not supported the legislation.

        1. “Infanticide doesn’t violate the non-aggression principle, because I don’t want it to.”

          – Reisenwitz

        2. Myth? Explain this, then.

          “(1) DEGREE OF CARE REQUIRED; IMMEDIATE ADMISSION TO A HOSPITAL.?Any health care practitioner present at the time the child is born alive shall?

          “(A) exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as a reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would render to any other child born alive at the same gestational age; and

          “(B) following the exercise of skill, care, and diligence required under subparagraph (A), ensure that the child born alive is immediately transported and admitted to a hospital.

          From here

          1. Yeah, mandating that a child born alive must receive medical care is…..literally outlawing abating murder. Solid argument there Reisenwitz

            1. “Oh my God, Tom has been shot. We need to call an ambulance.”

              “Hey there. Wait a second. Tom’s my son and I get to decide whether he lives or dies here. I think I’ll sit on it for a bit.”

              1. Endorsing negligent homicide to own the babies

              2. “Hey there. Wait a second. Tom’s my son and I get to decide whether he lives or dies here. I think I’ll sit on it for a bit.”

                Have you ever heard of Christian Scientists? Jehovah’s Witnesses? DNRs?

                I bet for some reason you’re in favor of allowing parents to request cosmetic surgery for their infants, but it’s out of bounds to refuse medical care.

                1. Parents are free to do what they want with their children so long as it does not result in lifelong physical impairment. That has largely always been the standard in the US (to varying degrees). I cannot think of a time where “negligent murder” was allowed for any religious faith. I understand that abortion is like a god to you and tithe to Planned Parenthood, but despite how peculiar and bizarre your faith is you should still be afforded religious accommodation. But, murder is not allowed of any faith. Sorry.

                2. You mean like circumcision?

            2. Yeah, mandating that a child born alive must receive medical care is…..literally outlawing abating murder.

              No, it is literally disallowing people to refuse medical care for their incapacitated next-of-kin.

              You know, like I said.

              1. No. It’s disallowing negligent homicide. The bill does not prevent parents from removing medical treatment to a child who is brain dead. It disallows parents from purposely killing the child after it has been born by refusing medical attention to the child. You’re a monstrous person. I sincerely mean that.

                1. I always figured the breaking point tha leads to America rising up to wipe out the progs would be fun comfiscation or some racial cultural Marxism. Maybe taxes. I didn’t think it would be abortion until the last few weeks.

                  Progressives are indeed soulless monsters, worshipping a death cult that craves mass institutional infanticide. Even celebrating it, if you look at NY’s signing ceremony last week where they cheered with glee.

                  1. ‘Gun confiscation’, which isn’t fun at all.

      2. The bill reeked of toxic masculinity, Cathy.

  6. There is, of course, no actual border security emergency, nothing that justifies a questionable executive branch power grab.

    “Oh, very well. The emergency is all those people overstaying their visas.”

  7. Every time a Reason reporter shifts from focusing on reporting the truth to putting a spin on something to promote a specific politician or to counter a politician hurts Reason’s image.

    Does anyone at Reason realizes how much this sounds like Fake News? A president who made the building of a wall a cornerstone of his campaign has never had the support of the majority to build the wall and that the number of those who do support the wall has decreased in recent months, the same time period where more and more of the main stream media has ben exposed for pushing misleading information and promoting lies in order to support a political agenda.

    You’d have been better off using figures like Q are against the wall now then saying its `.

  8. Americans are broadly opposed to the wall, with 60 percent against it and 40 percent in favor.

    Where, between 51% and 60% (e.g., six of ten), does “opposed” become “broadly opposed”?

    Would six of ten in a meeting be “broad” support or opposition? Sixty of a hundred?

    1. Most of the opposition are broads, so…

      1. Fuckin’ broads! Who is going to call their husbands to let them know they need to straighten their women out?

  9. Would I have oatmeal? Or will I have a sweet apple?

    This tweet thread describes the experience of an illegal immigrant in detention waiting to be deported for trying to beat a taxi fare. He says he was fighting for access to healthcare for all Americans, and now he will be forced to give up his dream. Of course, if he succeeded, we would all be dreaming of oatmeal and apples.

    1. This tweet thread describes

      A bored, narcissistic nerd obsessing over a subject?

  10. I heard someone on TV say that Trump reads good from a teleprompter. Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations. He emphatically does not read good from a teleprompter. He becomes a shrill, boring half-sentient retard when he reads from a teleprompter. He’s much more entertaining when he’s speaking nonsense extemporaneously. Then you can tell just truly how his brain operates at about a 4th grade level. What a fucking moron. And you idiots voted for him. You fucking cunts.

    1. Trump is your president.

      1. I need a value judgment here. As in, Trump is my president, and thank god he’s going to die in prison.

        1. We have presidents, and Trump is a legitimate president.

          What’s your problem?

            1. Trump is just as legitimate as the Vietnam War, the Drug War, the Iraq War, and taxes.

              You must not understand how the law works.

              1. You must not understand how dissent works.

                1. Let all your Democrat friends know: Trump is your president.

                    1. It’s really not our fault that Joe Podesta is dumber than Kelly Anne Conway.

                      Maybe, if he wasn’t so stupid, Trump wouldn’t be your president.

                      But, he is. Your. President.

                    2. Okay. He’s also your president. Thrilled, I’m sure. Have fun with defending his pardons.

                    3. Enjoy the Supreme Court for the next 30 years.

                    4. More power to crony capitalists, less power to individuals. The Libertarian dream.

                    5. The Supreme Court is just as legitimate as Trump and taxes.

                      Civilization needs a justice system, and this court is just as legitimate as any.

                      Tell your friends.

                    6. “More power to crony capitalists, less power to individuals. The Libertarian dream.”

                      You know how you get crony capitalism?
                      You let the government control things.
                      Its known as “rent seeking” and “regulatory capture”
                      So if you put the government control more, you get more crony capitalism.
                      I am constantly amazed that progressives/socialists, at the support level, apparently dont realize that they are quite emphatically advocating for more crony capitalism.


                    7. I am constantly amazed that progressives/socialists, at the support level, apparently dont realize that they are quite emphatically advocating for more crony capitalism.

                      Well said. The assumption they always have as their bedrock is that obviously they will always be in power and that they will never be crony capitalists. Two assumptions that are noticeably absent from reality.

                    8. And without democrat cronyism, how would people like Pelosi, Schumer, the Clintons, the Obamas, etc. couldn’t become fabulously wealthy while plebes like Atony cheer them on. All the while Tony bleating about republicans and crony capitalism.

                    9. “More power to crony capitalists, less power to individuals. The Libertarian dream.”

                      No, you silly bitch. That was Hillary’s dream, but she lost. She lost big. Now people get to think for themselves instead of having the democrat progressive hive mind decide for them.

            2. “The treason.”

              Good Tony. Admitting your treason is the first step. Now your next step is to either turn yourself in and be prosecuted, or write out a confession and drink your Drano.

            3. Poor Tony. He doesn’t even know what treason means let alone can articulate what treasonable offense Trump has allegedly committed.

              Tony is smarter than all the other Lefties that have been trying to get Trump for 2 years. Those Lefties are morons.

              Trump has outsmarted them all, especially Hillary.

    2. “reads good”

      I know retards and morons who know enough to know that “reads good” is not good English.

        1. More evidence of the quality education that your 250k in student loans can buy, Tony.

          1. Tony could be almost retired by now if he only didn’t spend so much on an education that didn’t help his low intelligence.

    3. 1. You don’t write good.

      2. Obama couldn’t even *talk* when his teleprompter broke.

      1. You seriously want to compare the vocabularies of Obama and Trump?

        1. Yes. If Obama isn’t in parrot mode with a script in front of him, he is nothing. His vocabulary is nothing special, amd he has no breadth of experience outside govt. to broaden his thinking. He has no real accomplishments, just going through the motions, racking up a paper resume to get him into politics. Even in the senate he did nothing and largely voted present.

          Maybe he missed his calling carrying Bill Clinton’s luggage.

  11. In the spirit of unity, bi-partisanship, and forgiveness, the president should invite Ralph Northam to be his special guest at his State of the Union address.

    1. Historically, Northam is a solid example of a democrat. A Klam enthusiast, and booster for institutional infanticide.

      1. Those fucking Ku Klux Klams.

        Sorry. Couldn’t resist.

        1. Yes, the Klams are the female lesbian offshoot of the Klan. They even have an annual festival called ‘Klambake’, where they go to the coast for arts and crafts.

          It’s an entire weekend of scissoring and digging for clams.

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  13. >>>60 percent against it and 40 percent in favor.

    millions of T’s wall-crazies changed their minds and Gallup somehow polled all of them?

  14. I wonder if the wording of the poll had any influence on the outcome? I can’t find one person I know – even those rabidly opposed to “the wall” – who doesn’t agree that it is common sense to put up some sort of barrier to illegal entry in border areas that are currently open and known to be used for illegal crossings.

    1. Like Pelosi, Schumer, Obama?

  15. People voted for Trump for the wall so him talking about the wall does not harm Trump. it only shows the cowardice of those who refuse to protect this nations historical significance

  16. Peter knows something about losing.

    1. He found Paul schtupping Mary?

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  19. I don’t doubt the polls say 60% of Americans don’t want the wall, but how is that broken down by state, specifically the southern border states. I can understand people 1,000 miles away saying they don’t want a wall that might not affect them at all.

    1. So odd the polls for the wall and the polls for Trump are so close. Suderman could look into that, right? Maybe look at what democrats thought about a wall two years ago?

      Nah, let the TDS take over.

    2. Actually it is the midwestern yokels who want it more than Texans say. The rep for a solid Republican district is fully against it knowing what it would do to property rights, the environment, etc.

      Besides the fact- if the southern states on the border were the only ones wanting it (and in the minority) then they should just go ahead and build it. Isn’t that what libertarianism is about?

  20. Trump should focus on finally telling us what the government has been hiding for years, the real alien threat.

    Stephen Hawking tried to warn us. The top Harvard astronomer Dr. Lobe has told us. What is Oumuamua? Where did it come from and what did it say? We need answers and we need them now before China builds the first moon base. Yeah they grew cotton, that rings a bell. Cotton plantations on the moon for our new alien overlords.

    Trump wants a space force. There are mystery holes in the space station. Germany and Israel working together are rushing to launch a lunar project with the end goal of a permanent moon base.

    Wake up people. Something is going on. The wall is a diversion.

    They are already here and at the top levels of politics, business and industry but we knew that. You just can’t tell because the invading aliens are cleverly disguised as human beings.

  21. Other polls have found much a much closer split (e.g. 46-48 for/opposed to the wall, Rasmussen).

    Regardless, a lot of Americans have fallen for the constant lies, such as those parroted by this article.

    Americans are overwhelmingly in support of a secure border and ending illegal immigration. But they have fallen for the lie that a wall is not a good use of resources or an effective part of achieving this goal.

    It’s just a lie, pure and simple. Perpetuated by Reason, the mainstream media and the Democrat party, and with full approval of the anti-Trump Republican establishment.

    1. “Other polls have found much a much closer split (e.g. 46-48 for/opposed to the wall, Rasmussen).”

      More surprising Rasmussen couldn’t come up with a poll where the country was in favor. This is honestly best case scenario for a poll in FAVOR of the wall, and it’s still a loser. This is akin to the polls people quote where they try and stretch that Trumps approval is great! 48-50% (Rasmussen, again, skewed pollster and best case dude can’t get past the 50 mark that most presidents have been above).

      “Regardless, a lot of Americans have fallen for the constant lies, such as those parroted by this article.”

      Americans in general are mostly not that smart, not able to reason well, and are mostly uninformed except from their preferred echo chamber sources. They go by their feelz. Man I am still waiting for this border crisis, multi-caravan, MS13 invasion that the Rasmussen-pushing sources are constantly touting. But hey, a lot of americans have fallen for that too.

      People don’t want it, not worth my tax money. I’ll pass on it as quick as I passed on Iraq war.

      1. This wasn’t the “best case” it was just the very first poll I found. The polls are skewed against Trump, if anything.

        Anyway, CBS and CNN found 76 percent of voters were positive toward Trump’s SOTU, and 72 percent support his immigration policies.

  22. 60% don’t want? I doubt that.

  23. Hey Pete, 60% of Americans may say they don’t want an Abrams tank too. I’m glad we don’t listen to those people.

  24. 100% of the people at my house want a wall

    1. Technically, a basement is only a part of a house.

  25. Thats about the same number that wanted to just stay tied to england 250 years ago.

    Fortunately, we dont always do what the majority wants, especially when the majority is wrong.

  26. The vast majority of Americans want the wall – because it works to protect us. The Gallop poll is fake – it has already been debunked (just look into the way they did it). Walls in many other countries work very well. It will be a major tool to greatly reduce the drugs, the criminals, the illegals.

  27. Another poll says 76% want a border wall.

  28. Another poll says 76% want a border wall.

  29. Why do spanish speaking El Salvadorans trek 2500 miles to an english speaking country for asylum when there are one and a third continents of spanish speaking countries they could take advantage of? They are becoming aware that areas of California (and other States – I hear) have become Hispanic language and culture dominant.

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