Calls for Revoking Susan Collins' Honorary Degree Over Kavanaugh Vote Show How Sad Politics Have Become
It's misguided to politicize something as non-controversial as an honorary degree.

Sen. Susan Collins (R–Maine) should be stripped of her honorary doctorate, according to a number of her alma mater's students, faculty, and alumni. Her infraction? Voting to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the U.S. Supreme Court.
Collins said she ultimately chose to vote yes on Kavanaugh because she didn't think there was enough evidence to back up allegations of sexual assault against him. That vote means she doesn't deserve her honorary degree, says a letter signed by more than 1,300 current and former St. Lawrence University students, dated October 6. An additional message from October 10, signed by close to 100 members of the school's faculty, faults the Maine Republican for disregarding the testimony of Christine Blasey Ford, who claims Kavanaugh assaulted her while they were both high school students.
These critics are more than welcome to complain, just as the private university has every right to let Collins keep her degree, which school spokesperson Ryan P. Deuel told CBS News it will do. But it's worth pointing out how misguided it is to politicize something as non-controversial as an honorary degree.
Collins actually has two honorary degrees from St. Lawrence, where she graduated from in 1975. In 1998, two years after being elected to the U.S. Senate, she received an honorary doctorate of laws. But the degree that's become controversial is the doctorate of humane letters she was honored with in 2017.
At the time, a university press release highlighted some of her accomplishments. She's one of the most senior senators in the nation, and the "most senior" Republican female in the upper chamber of Congress, the release said. Notably, the school didn't focus on her partisan bona fides, instead pointing out her "national reputation for working across party lines."
Collins is indeed known for her bipartisanship. As a moderate Republican, she often bucks her party. Last summer, for instance, she was one of three Republicans who voted no on a "skinny" repeal of Obamacare. It wasn't in the least bit surprising, then, that she was seen as one of four key swing votes in the lead-up to Kavanaugh's final confirmation showdown.
The alumni letter had no problem with Collins' vote against repealing Obamacare. "Her decision to stand for what she saw as the greater good embraced the strong values of St. Lawrence University," the letter reads. But bipartisanship is apparently only laudable when it benefits one side. Her support for Kavanaugh is "not in line with the core values of" the school, the letter adds.
The faculty letter expresses similar sentiments: "By not carefully considering all the evidence at her disposal, Senator Collins failed to uphold Laurentian principles and thereby participated in a process that produced an incomplete investigation into the candidate."
St. Lawrence formally recognized Collins in the first place because she's one of its most distinguished graduates. As a female senator, Collins is also a rarity, and there's nothing wrong with a small liberal arts school celebrating that. Moreover, even though she voted with her fellow Republicans on Kavanaugh, Collins remains one of the most bipartisan members of Congress. Nor does her Kavanaugh vote take away from the fact that she has served in the Senate for more than two decades, which is an accomplishment in and of itself.
As university spokesperson Deuel told the Watertown Daily Times last week, "St. Lawrence University is non-partisan and without political party affiliations. It does not take up political decisions on specific matters of the day."
Collins was honored not because of her politics, but because she's an accomplished graduate of her alma mater. That should be enough. With just over 2,400 total students, St. Lawrence University is not a large school by any stretch of the imagination. For one of its graduates to be a sitting U.S. senator is a pretty big deal, regardless of political party.
Collins is no criminal; she simply made a senatorial decision that some people don't like. Calling for her to be stripped of an honorary degree shows that her critics can't stomach political disagreement.
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leftists, please lecture me on who the fascist authoritarians *really* are
Right-wing bigots and disaffected incels don't like lectures . . . or education . . . or science . . . or achievement . . . or reason . . . or liberty . . . or modernity . . .
Rev Ad Hominen fouls the boards again...
These people are nuts. There is no apeasing them or trying to be reasonable with them.
So what do you think should be done with them?
They should be stripped of their honorary degrees.
Earth, Hitler, 1938.
Nice height on that jump.
"Name three things Tony is working into his Halloween costume."
A village idiot, a village idiot and a village idiot.
When you're as stupid as he is, that counts as three.
Then he could just go as CMB.
Though he'd have to work on his super-desperate-for-approval act
Nope.
If you just give them the Sudetenland, they'll totally leave Prague alone.
De-fund every college. We don't financially subsidize churches
Get an education.
I don't care for your perverse faith and rather than engaging in a tit for tat, just accept that I have more formal education than you
Just to expand on the point. The good reverend's church receives:
- tax payer support for its parishioners to pay their membership fees
- tax exemption on all property taxes, income taxes (despite often generating a profit), and most utility taxes
- many of his churches have endowment funds that are larger than the largest mutual funds on Wall Street and those too are tax exempt
- his church is also able to issue tax exempt municipal bonds to pay for new capital plans at interest rates far below that available to the private sector
The Congregation Of Exalted Reason neither seeks nor accepts nor approves of such government subsidies. We are a liberty-loving, reality-based, self-sustaining institution.
You must have us confused with the superstitious, parasitic groups . . . . the faith healers, the systematic child-abusers, the fundamentalist goobers, the televangelists, the evangelicals, etc.
Do you consider tax exemption a subsidy? Not taking is not the same as giving. It's a fairly simple concept. Well, it's a simple concept for people who aren't big government boot-lickers.
"Thank you, Oh Government Almighty, for not taxing our humble church! Your benevolence knows no bounds!"
You seem unfamiliar with the concept of government funding of churches.
Get an education, you bigoted, disaffected, right-wing yahoo.
Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland|10.16.18 @ 2:54PM|#
"Get an education."
Suggest you take your own advice, asshole.
Right on, Arthur Kirkland! Dumb people are subhuman and should be annihilated!
I stopped giving to my alma mater years ago because of the PC BS they continue to endorse
Get a $165,000 French Literature degree, then see who's talking.
You can buy all of French literature at a fraction of that price.
The real cost is all the cigarettes you must smoke while reading them.
Pas cet enfant
"St. Lawrence University is non-partisan and without political party affiliations. It does not take up political decisions on specific matters of the day."
Hopefully students, faculty, and alumni do everything in their power to strip this university of any accreditation.
I think the article is saying that the school is refusing to bow to the demands of the partisans.
They said the same thing in Vichy France.
Nice comment, from just the kind of partisan loser who never questions the accreditation of fourth-tier schools that teach nonsense, reject science to flatter superstition, or disdain academic freedom so long as they are reliably conservative-controlled goober factories, but is ready to turn on St. Lawrence University for . . . no apparent reason other than being a strong, liberal-libertarian school that offends disaffected incel sensibilities.
St. Lawrence has indicated it will not interfere with the honorary degree(s), you half-educated, authoritarian, backwater-inhabiting, bigoted, right-wing malcontent.
reject science to flatter superstition
Where are we going with this? Because this looks like an own-goal waiting to happen.
He's referring to religious universities.
Aren't all universities religious now? The only difference seems to be the denomination
+1
>>own-goal
you funny today.
You can tell by his unhinged rants that the good reverend is rather insecure
I think I just got out-parodied.
only if you are the things on the list at the end. otherwise a wash
The algorithm is absorbing zeitgeisty neologisms.
Hmm, too stupid to recognize that Fist makes jokes. This is a major moment in the evolution of our resident Anime-Fan.
RINO's --- note what happens when you anger the people who already want you out of office. Placating them is a mistake.
good. Honorary degrees are stupid.
I think Bill Cosby had several
Was one of them from a pharmaceutical company?
It would be a pretty epic troll is some university were to offer Bill Cosby an Honorary Doctorate in Pharmacology.
Ethics; a degree in ethics
He also had some magic BBQ sauce.
link
Right-wingers figure all degrees are stupid. Ignorant yahoos tend to resent their educated, modern, skilled, accomplished betters.
Yes-its far better to be a philosophy major who lives in mom's basement and will be paying off debt for the rest of his life. Or a trustafarian who doesn't have to worry about debt and can travel the world to party into their 40s.
Why is philosophy always the goto for this kind of put-down. There are way more useless degrees than philosophy. How about English? Or anything ending in "Studies".
You can teach k-12 with an English degree and teaching jobs are everywhere. You can also teach ESL/EFL with a little extra training, or tutor it after your teaching job on the side with no extra training. Philosophy teaching jobs are far less common.
So, I disagree with your assessment. Philosophy is pretty far down the list of useful degrees.
As far as philosophy in use you tend to see it as a stepping stone to Law at schools that don't have a pre-Law field. It's not the only feeder degree, but it's a somewhat popular one. On it's own it's pretty dang non-applicable even if the subject matter is nice.
Psychology is another one like that. Soiciology as well, but I think slightly more useful.
In my state, you need an Education degree to teach k-12. My ex had a Master's Degree in International Business but he still had to go back to school to take Education courses for another degree so he could teach high school.
Well ..... only to a degree
Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland|10.16.18 @ 3:02PM|#
"Right-wingers figure all degrees are stupid."
Do you ever post without lying, asshole?
You ain't from around here are ya?
Us yahoos don't got no betters.
"By not carefully considering all the evidence at her disposal"
Is that code for disagreeing?
There was but one piece of evidence, Ford's testimony, that could not be corroborated by the witnesses she named.
What could "carefully" mean that is not just unquestioning acceptance of an accusation so bereft of details as to be non-falsifiable?
The evidence was #belivethevictim
The retardedness of progs never ceases to amaze me
Sad tears for the politician being treated mean. I wonder what Trumptards would do with politicians' honorary degrees if they were clever enough to be in charge of universities that weren't scams. (Your president ran a scam university.)
I believe a "Trumptard" University invited one of their woke betters to speak on campus without incidence
http://www.theweek.com/speedreads/570.....tion-speak
Bernie Sanders is an idiot with the political instincts of Ralph Nader and probably at least as much damage done to America in his wake.
And yet he wasn't heckled when he spoke to the "Trumptards". Kind seems like there are a lot more decent people at "Trumptard" colleges than there are at their woke counterparts
I was speaking specifically of Trump University, a fucking scam. A literal actual fucking scam. Good thing Trump is such a fucking geriatric that he wouldn't know how to send work emails on a private account even if he wanted to. That would be a real scandal, as we know. I don't know why you're bringing up irrelevant poor brainwashed Christians.
This is what you said: "I wonder what Trumptards would do with politicians' honorary degrees if they were clever enough to be in charge of universities that weren't scams"
Ergo, you were not talking about Trump University, which was a scam since you ended the sentence with "universities that weren't scams".
Sorry, that a wacky Christian university produces good people, in contrast to their woke competitors.
Are you saying Liberty U isn't a scam? How many intelligent, important people have degrees from there?
No. Their alumni are just as garbage as most colleges. Their alumni include several politicians and political commentators.
So, it's no more a scam than your average college
Liberty teaches nonsense to gullible yahoos, some of whom return to America's shambling backwaters and make a decent living selling superstition, herbal supplements, or life insurance to the depleted human residue that remains after generations of bright flight.
So you weren't talking about Trump University? Or, you were but suddenly you aren't? Or what exactly?
And I don't really get the Ad Hominem toward a University, it's usually up to the student to educate themselves at that point.
There is no God, and if there were, Jerry Falwell would not be his spokesman.
You believe in a God. Just not a supernatural one. Your God is material and ever present in this world. Your God, like all good progressives, is the State. Don't pretend like you're any less of a religious zealot than Falwell
Do you need to believe that in order to dismiss credible arguments without having to think about them? Is your worldview so flimsy?
No. It's just a fact. The whole progressive ethos is founded on religious thinking. Even "social justice" was stolen from Catholics and secularized. You are very much a religious person, you just don't want to call what you believe in on "faith alone" a religion
You're stretching the definition of religion into meaninglessness then, and then it would certainly encompass the stupid shit you believe.
Libertarians = markets are god.
Smart people = governments exist.
Libertarians = people have to think things are god, no other alternative, therefore smart people think government is god!
Not really. I wouldn't support free markets if it hasn't been shown over and over and over and over again to be the best way to distribute resources.
A religion is when you accept something despite evidence to the contrary. People who are religious recite nonsensical dogma to express their purity of heart, like "Believe All Women" or "People Over Profit". There is no material difference between those statements and "He Died For Your Sins"
So you believe that government should never intervene in markets? Or only when it's something you want? Your beliefs aren't even coherent from the outset.
Do markets efficiently distribute resources when it comes to fighting wards, building national infrastructure, or investing in decades-long-term national goals?
You guys are like a kid who discovered one tiny aspect of how the universe works and then stopped reading and thus now assume that the entire universe works like that one tiny aspect.
"So you believe that government should never intervene in markets? Or only when it's something you want? Your beliefs aren't even coherent from the outset."
In what world does anything I said suggest such a ridiculous conclusion?
I wouldn't support free markets if it hasn't been shown over and over and over and over again to be the best way to distribute resources.
So you'd violate people's rights if it made things run more efficiently?
Jerry Falwell is in heaven, rawdogging his mother in an outhouse.
Jerry Falwell Jr. is in Virginia, figuratively fellating Trump while awaiting his turn.
Not much difference between Harvard and Hillsdale, Yale and Regent, Penn and Liberty, Berkeley and Biola, Amherst and Ave Maria, Columbia and Grove City?
Sure you were.
seems like there are a lot more decent people at "Trumptard" colleges than there are at their woke counterparts
Or at the very least far fewer complete assholes.
I'm sorry, I can't help myself.
It would be quite difficult to go through life with an incomplete asshole. 🙂
Brand new state, Brand new state, gonna treat you great!
Gonna give you barley, carrots and pertaters,
Pasture fer the cattle, Spinach and Termayters!
Flowers on the prairie where the June bugs zoom,
Plen'y of air and plen'y of room,
Plen'y of room to swing a rope!
Plen'y of heart and plen'y of hope!
Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain,
And the wavin' wheat can sure smell sweet
When the wind comes right behind the rain.
Oklahoma, ev'ry night my honey lamb and I
Sit alone and talk and watch a hawk makin' lazy circles in the sky.
We know we belong to the land
And the land we belong to is grand!
And when we say, yeeow-yip-i-o-ee ay!
We're only sayin' You're doin' fine, Oklahoma! Oklahoma, okay
You do realize that is one of the most important musicals ever written.
Important? Musicals are important? I;d say Springtime for Hitler had more importance bragging rights.
Like you would know anything about show tunes.
important musical
Ok, that's funny.
Totally OT ...
Mrs. MDBBTY dragged me off to see Phantom of the Opera. It had it all: spousal abuse, intimidation, rape, kidnapping, murder. I guess it's all OK because it was committed by a singing psychopath. I wondered why the #METOO gang wasn't burning torches.
Well that's just Webber.
Trump fans can't get enough of their authoritarian, tiny-dicked leader.
He is what they envision they would have been like had they inherited hundreds of millions of dollars rather than a shambling life in the desolate, depleted backwaters.
Haha.
OBL needs to learn from this guy
The Rev is proof that you can't do parody anymore. You have to laugh because the alternative of facing just how hateful and stupid he is is so terrifying. The worst part is that people like him and Tony seem to be getting progressively more ignorant, angry and hateful as time goes on. Rather than learning from their defeats, the defeats seem to drive them further down the road of insanity. I can't see how it ends well for any of them.
It's not going to end well for any of us, and it will be the fault of you people.
It is going to work out great for us. Probably not so well for you. Crazy never ends well.
Hey John, a question.
Why do you continue to respond to this human mental defective?
tony and rev. are in different universes afaic
it doesn't end well for anyone. unless you're into that kind of thing i dunno.
You're in the universe where taking hundreds of billions of tons of CO2 from the ground and putting into the oceans and atmosphere have no physical effects. And also where girls love pasty white gamer geeks.
You're coming apart at the seams bro.
my brevity sometimes needs unfolding sorry. i'm more a fan of yours than i am rev. was all.
and i tan like a roasted turkey.
You're in the universe where taking hundreds of billions of tons of CO2 from the ground and putting into the oceans and atmosphere have no physical effects.
Last time I checked, Democrats were still taking money from fossil fuel companies
Last time I checked, democrats were all for fracking, shale oil, and increasing US oil output.
Tony is channeling his inner Hitler. Tell us more about "you people" and our failings?
No-it will be the fault of progressive elites, who have ignored the working men and women of this country for too long while wagging a finger in their face over how they need to be more woke
Yes, the biggest problem in the country is the wagging fingers of strident college students learning about social justice issues. Not overcrowded prisons, not climate change, not police abuse, not crony capitalism... rude college kids you watched on youtube. What cable news channel do you watch most often, out of curiosity?
I don't even have cable, nor do I watch news shows, thank you. I get my daily news from NPR mostly (go ahead and do a face plant).
overcrowded prisons, not climate change, not police abuse, not crony capitalism
Democrats are largely responsible for police abuse and overcrowded prisons (see 1994 Crime Bill), and are only too happy with crony capitalism for their favored business interests. As for climate change, other than Obama (who took money from BP and Exxon) signing a piece of paper in Paris, they have done nothing and continue to accept money from oil companies.
I don't even have cable, nor do I watch news shows, thank you. I get my daily news from NPR mostly (go ahead and do a face plant).
overcrowded prisons, not climate change, not police abuse, not crony capitalism
Democrats are largely responsible for police abuse and overcrowded prisons (see 1994 Crime Bill), and are only too happy with crony capitalism for their favored business interests. As for climate change, other than Obama (who took money from BP and Exxon) signing a piece of paper in Paris, they have done nothing and continue to accept money from oil companies.
You seem to be under the impression that I think oil companies are evil. Oil companies are doing far more to fight climate change than Republicans, who you seem to be forgiving for the log in their eye while condemning democrats for the mote in theirs.
It really isn't working if you lack marketable skills, rely on tariffs and protectionism to scrape by, and are gobbling street pills before every shift.
It always astounds me that half-educated yahoos figure that someone who bills at $550 an hour (because skills) and employs a handful of associates isn't "working."
As George Gobel used to say "Don't mock the afflicted.".
Still clinging, still bitter, still incoherent...
Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland|10.16.18 @ 3:14PM|#
"Trump fans can't get enough of their authoritarian, tiny-dicked leader."
Poor loser asshole. Reduced ti whining about losing for at least four years.
Gros\w up, asshole.
How am I going to lose? How are educated, accomplished Americans residing in successful, modern communities going to lose?
Is Trump going to rescind my family's advanced degrees?
Compel me to reduce my hourly rate?
Make us eat at Cracker Barrel of Chick-fil-A?
Force me to send my family's children to backwater religious schools?
Eliminate more than a half-century of liberal-libertarian progress?
Bring prayer and creationism back to good schools?
Prohibit importation of good cars?
Outlaw abortion?
Require Harvard and Yale to adopt the Regent or Liberty curriculum?
Require black men to lower their gaze in the company of white women?
Cause America to go back to treating gays and women and blacks like dirt?
Force modern states to emulate West Virginia, Alabama, Wyoming, Oklahoma, and Mississippi?
Make Jason Aldean and Blake Shelton concerts compulsory?
"Compel me to reduce my hourly rate?"
What is the going hourly rate for a temp these days?
Pocahontas is the one looking at restrictions on wages...
More dumb shit
In between fawning over Harvard and expressing bigotry towards "backward " states, why don't you take a minute and look up which university admits and grants degrees to the most National Merit Scholars?
I'll save you the trouble. It's Oklahoma.
I shudder to think what would happen to all of my honorary degrees if someone scrutinized me.
.. the fact that she has served in the Senate for more than two decades, which is an accomplishment in and of itself.
No, grasshopper, it is not. It should really never happen.
To be fair, constantly duping people into re-electing you for over twenty years after pinky swearing to serve only 2 terms.
Not in favor of term limits, but career politicians have nothing to be proud of.
""Calling for her to be stripped of an honorary degree shows that her critics can't stomach political disagreement.""
That's a pretty generous description of the do as we say or else crowd.
St. Lawrence formally recognized Collins in the first place because she's one of its most distinguished graduates.
If the depth of thinking on display by the current generation of students is any indication she is likely to be the one of last distinguished graduates too.
The new generation gives everyone distinction so no one feels bad.
can fake thing be taken away?
As easily as it can be given in the first place.
Whoa, man, that was deep.
Eddy amazed Eddy
Senator Collins should send both honorary degrees back and tell them I no longer wish my name to be associated in any way with your institution and further, please remove me from your mailing list, all future requests for financial contributions will be sent to the nearest landfill post haste.
Why?
Because the University ignored the stupid demand letters, as it should?
"The faculty letter expresses similar sentiments: "By not carefully considering all the evidence at her disposal, Senator Collins failed to uphold Laurentian principles and thereby participated in a process that produced an incomplete investigation into the candidate."
This ^ ^ ^
For having a number of faculty members disagree with her questionable decision?
If she wanted a homogenous, lockstep campus community lacking academic freedom and dissent, she would have picked a conservative-controlled school.
So at which street corner or lunatic asylum did you practice your carny barking skills?
Fucking dope #1
Where is #2
Tony
I'm sure she doesn't contribute any of her own money...
"By not carefully considering all the evidence at her disposal, Senator Collins failed to uphold Laurentian principles and thereby participated in a process that produced an incomplete investigation into the candidate"
"By not agreeing with us ...", in other words.
Anything that fails to achieve predetermined outcome will now be called "a failure to uphold Laurentian principles".
Calling for her to be stripped of an honorary degree shows that her critics can't stomach political disagreement.
It shows that some people will politicize every damn thing, from the food you eat, the clothes you wear, the stores you shop at, the movies or TV shows you watch, the music you listen to, and, yes, where you get your honorary degrees from - every goddamn thing is social signaling and God help you if you're flashing the wrong gang signs. (Some people might refer to this as "cultural Marxism" but I've been assured that there's no such thing except amongst conspiracy theory nut cases.)
She is really screwed now. Without those honorary degrees she has nothing else on her resume.
So they joined the Duke University faculty and alumni who believed the accuser Crystal Mangun and condemned the Duke Lacrosse Team.
So they joined the University of Virginia faculty who believed Rolling Stone's "Jackie" story and organized a protest and march against Phi Kappa Psi house and joined the vandals who threw bottles and bricks through the windows and spray painted graffiti.
The perpetrators of the Satanic Ritual Abuse moral panick were trained child psychologists with degrees, too.
She didn't consider the same evidence because there was none.
I'd be very concerned that my faculty and a large group of alumni are retarded
The problem is with the humanities. They keep creating disciplines that are not academic disciplines.
Pretty much any department called ******* studies is going to be a scam.
I was in school when a couple of these departments got created. The Women's Studies and African-American studies faculty were under one of the traditional humanities departments. But they decried the discrimination and organized protests (from their students) that they should be given full department status. So instead of getting a Sociology degree with a concentration in African-American Studies you'd get an Af-Am degree.
And that junior professor in the 3 member Af-Am group would suddenly get a promotion to Dean of the African-American Studies department. Not that the big bump in pay and prestige and the big jump in freedom from academic oversight would have been motivating factors.
Now we have all sorts of departments and degrees based around grievances dreamed up by faculty looking for a similar bump in pay and status.
Most of these "academic disciplines" are nothing of the sort. They are political opinion support groups that have managed to con people into paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for the privilege of joining.
BTW, that future head of the African-American Studies Department was a flaming racist who, among other nutty things, said that any black students who were not living in the predominantly black dorm where the athletes lived were living under apartheid. And not just as a toss-off... he penned an editorial to that fact and often repeated it in his public speeches.
So we had a great time teasing my roommate about how he was living under apartheid by living in an integrated dorm with a white roommate. Needless to say, he wasn't a big fan of that guy.
Some ideas are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them.