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Due Process

A White Woman Falsely Accused a Black 9-Year-Old Boy of Groping Her

Surveillance footage disproves her allegations-and reminds everyone not to automatically believe victims.

Robby Soave | 10.15.2018 9:01 AM

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A cell phone video of a white woman calling the cops on a nine-year-old black boy outside a Brooklyn convenience store went viral on social media last week. In the video, the woman—nicknamed "Cornerstore Caroline" on Twitter—claims that kid grabbed her butt while she was in line at the store.

Now surveillance footage from inside the store has been released, and it proves that the boy did no such thing. The accusation was, without question, 100 percent false.

The woman offered an apology after viewing the surveillance footage, though some have questioned her sincerity.

The original video—in which the woman can be seen on the phone with a 911 dispatcher as the boy cries and his mother argues with her—was viewed more than 5 million times. Many sympathized with the young boy, wondering what kind of person would immediately involve law enforcement in a matter involving a child.

The surveillance footage explicitly disproved the woman's account. It clearly showed the boy walking past the woman without touching her. His backpack grazed her body, prompting her freakout.

NEW: Surveillance footage proves white woman who called 911 on a young black child claiming he groped her - was wrong @PIX11News #CornerstoreCaroline Full story at 5 pic.twitter.com/agTK0MpgUG

— Andrew Ramos (@AndrewRamosTV) October 12, 2018

If we're being maximally charitable to the woman, she didn't outright lie—she was just deeply mistaken about what happened, and eager to weaponize her error against a kid's future.

I couldn't help but notice a perceptive first comment on the writeup of this incident at The Root, a progressive news site that covers race issues. It reads: "Serious question. How do we square the idea that women don't make false accusations and should be believed, with the fact that white women have used false accusations as weapons against black men, and black people generally throughout this country's history?"

This is a good question that should vex more people on the left. Many fourth-wave feminists contend that women who make allegations of sexual misconduct must always and automatically be believed. The #MeToo movement, in their view, is an opportunity not just to hold powerful abusers accountable but to re-balance the scales of justice to reflect the idea that false accusations are virtually nonexistent.

This deeply illiberal approach rests on the assumption that false accusations are so uncommon as to be practically ignorable. But in truth, we can't definitively say that false allegations are as low as 2–8 percent, the statistic often cited by activists. The available data are flawed and unreliable. (Some allegations are technically false but impossible for the police to explicitly disprove; the infamous Rolling Stone/University of Virginia gang rape hoax, for instance, would not be counted as false in any police database.) It also turns Western notions of justice on their head. Even if most accused men are guilty of sexual assault, that doesn't mean we should rush to judgment in each individual case.

"Even as we must treat accusers with seriousness and dignity, we must hear out the accused fairly and respectfully, and recognize the potential lifetime consequences that such an allegation can bring," writes Emily Yoffe in an Atlantic article about the fallout from the Brett Kavanaugh hearings. "If believing the woman is the beginning and the end of a search for the truth, then we have left the realm of justice for religion."

We should expect the formal arbiters of justice—police, prosecutors, judges, juries, etc.—to take an even-handed approach to such cases. And we should want the informal arbiters of justice—media, activists, the broader public—to exercise some degree of caution. An activist culture at war with the principles of due process and the broader presumption of innocence is a bigger threat to black convenience-store kids as it is to rich and powerful men. Justice for victims must not come at the expense of fairness for the accused.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   7 years ago

    "Serious question. How do we square the idea that women don't make false accusations and should be believed, with the fact that white women have used false accusations as weapons against black men, and black people generally throughout this country's history?"

    With our fingers squarely in our ears and our tongues squarely making the 'lalalalala' noise. People brought up Emmett Till as the #MeToo movement was rising to hysteria, to no avail.

    1. JesseAz   7 years ago

      It's pretty easy to square up. We don't blatantly believe accusers sans evidence. It sucks if they are right, but we used to believe the adage we would rather see one hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man locked up. We also recognize that some bitches are crazy and will make shit up for revenge, see the "mean girls" story making the rounds.

      1. NoVaNick   7 years ago

        Would be funny to see prog heads explode if the boy she is accusing turns out to be transgender

      2. IceTrey   7 years ago

        Some bitches?

      3. Dan S.   7 years ago

        Yes. In this case, it looks like it was revenge against the boy's mother; it is after the mother comes back and makes some comment to her that the woman makes the call to the police. I'm wondering just what was said there.

    2. Don't look at me!   7 years ago

      Science!

    3. Rossami   7 years ago

      That's easy to square. The statement that "women don't make false accusations" is false.

      Women make false accusations. So do men. Women make false protestations of innocence. So do men. Deal with it. Anyone claiming that the victim must always be believed is living in a fantasy land and probably needs their medication adjusted.

      1. NoVaNick   7 years ago

        There are some scholars who define all sex as rape. Ergo, anyone who has ever initiated sex is a rapist.

        1. NoVaNick   7 years ago

          Damn squirrels!

      2. NoVaNick   7 years ago

        There are some scholars who define all sex as rape. Ergo, anyone who has ever initiated sex is a rapist.

      3. NoVaNick   7 years ago

        There are some scholars who define all sex as rape. Ergo, anyone who has ever initiated sex is a rapist.

        1. MatthewSlyfield   7 years ago

          "There are some scholars who define all sex as rape."

          No, only heterosexual sex is defined as rape. Therefore all straight men are rapists.

  2. damikesc   7 years ago

    As ive said here, believing women led to lynchings.

    You shouldnt just believe any accusation of any crime.

    1. JesseAz   7 years ago

      There are now 501 groups on the left whose sole purpose is to accuse political opponents of crimes. Often using vague laws.

      1. Earth Skeptic   7 years ago

        Just 10 more and it will equal the number of non-indian ancestors in Warren's family tree.

        1. JesseAz   7 years ago

          501c groups... But agree with your comment =)

      2. Last of the Shitlords   7 years ago

        It's just about time to cleanse this country of progressives.

    2. Qsl   7 years ago

      Ya, and supposing there wasn't video proof of events, the scales of justice accord not by some high falutin' ideas of due process and burden of proof, but the relative social standing of the claimants. That's an aristocracy in all but name.

      The lessons from the lynch mob wasn't about the prevalence of racism, but the incorruptibility of women. Why would they possibly lie (or at least be mistaken) about a 9 year old boy? The proof is self-evident and people hung as of consequence. No trial needed.

      And now, with all the constrictions to a rigorous defense of those accused of sexual assault, they legacy of the #MeToo movement won't be to bring down powerful men like Weinstein, but to assume a position as incorrigible as him.

      And should a 9 year old be hung from the trees, so be it.

  3. bevis the lumberjack   7 years ago

    The only way to accurately determine what happened is to bring both the woman and the child before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and we can all observe their demeanor through our own pre-conceived political filter and establish the truth.

    1. Rat on a train   7 years ago

      Don't forget an FBI investigation.

      1. JesseAz   7 years ago

        At least when the media interviews the kids classmates it will be contemporary.

        1. FlameCCT   7 years ago

          I expect the media will interview his teachers and daycare providers!

          1. Naaman Brown   7 years ago

            "I was always trying to get him to clean up his desk -- he always had stuff mashed up in there. He was a strange dude. I remember he would take a bottle of glue and he would pour the glue on his arm, let it dry, peel it off and then eat it."

            There goes his chance of a political career in the executive. Who knows what recovered memories his accuser might bring up in the judicial hearing. That leaves the legislative -- or does it?

            1. epsilon given   7 years ago

              Ah, I see I'm not alone! I did this all the time! Well, except for the eating part -- but then, there's reasons the glue is made non-toxic....

    2. Ecoli   7 years ago

      It would be delightful to have Dick Durbin (good porn name) badger the nine year old boy: "Would you please turn to the white counsel and ask for an FBI investigation? Can you do that?"

      All the while, Spartacus looms on the side lines considering his next grand standing speech.

    3. dave in PRAA   7 years ago

      Do they have a body language expert?

  4. Kristian H.   7 years ago

    Emmitt Till could not be reached for comment.

    1. Number 2   7 years ago

      Neither are the Scottsboro boys.

      1. MatthewSlyfield   7 years ago

        Or the Duke Lacrosse team.

  5. loveconstitution1789   7 years ago

    Well, a white woman (Elizabeth Warren) found out that she is a Native American 6-10 generations back.

    Tribes dont typically recognize you unless you are 1/64 or less.

    1. Tom Bombadil   7 years ago

      1/64 or more.

      1. loveconstitution1789   7 years ago

        Yeah....more hahaha. too early

    2. damikesc   7 years ago

      And the person who decided that isn't, actually, a geneologist. A statistician, but not a geneologist.

      1. JesseAz   7 years ago

        They used findings of markers instead of the general tests used by ancestry and others. Her percentage must have been fucking low, like the

        1. JesseAz   7 years ago

          Les than one percent... Stupid html tag.

          1. Madisonian   7 years ago

            What they reported was already less than 1%, in fact .097%, so less than one tenth of a percent (of possibly Mexican, Peruvian and Colombian), yet she thought it proved her case.

        2. loveconstitution1789   7 years ago

          I was laughing too hard to actually check out their source material.

          If she had any tribal blood she would have been shouting that years ago. I figured it was complete BS.

          These Lefties cannot help themselves anymore to not lie.

        3. damikesc   7 years ago

          They also had a lack of real native info, so they just used random Central American nationalities as a fill in.

          1. JesseAz   7 years ago

            She claimed Cherokee.... Yet the markers were found in Peruvian, Mexicans, and Columbians. How did she think this test was good for her. I can't stop laughing.

            1. damikesc   7 years ago

              Because the press won't mention it. That was her thought process.

    3. MatthewSlyfield   7 years ago

      There was a time when most of the tribes were offering legal membership for low percentages, but those times have passed and most of the tribes have tightened the standard for tribal membership to at least 25% and a few to 50%

      1. SIV   7 years ago

        And that's strictly genealogy. 100% "Native-American" genetics doesn't make you legally an Indian.

        1. Ron   7 years ago

          no kidding, I have a relative that is 100% Native American but since she is from two different tribes making her 50% she gets nothing since the tribal leadership decided you had to be 5/8 of one tribe to get anything. that said teh U.S. government will pay your medical down to 1/8

          1. epsilon given   7 years ago

            They'll pay your medical, but only if you get sick in the first half of the year. They don't have the budget for the second half.

            I learned that from my mother-in-law, who lives in a non-reservation town in the middle of a reservation, and thus has opportunities to discuss such things with her neighbors....

      2. dave b.   7 years ago

        When the fuck was this? Whites falsely claimed native ancestry to get land from the government via the Dawes Rolls

        1. MatthewSlyfield   7 years ago

          Mid to late 20th Century. And I was talking about tribal membership which is an internal matter of the tribe, determined by the tribal government. The Dawes roles were a US government list that was at best tangenitally related to actual tribal membership.

          My mother has cousins that were supposedly offered tribal membership at around 1/16th blood around the 1960s .

  6. Tom Bombadil   7 years ago

    I probably won't know what the truth is until this woman recovers her memories 36 years from now. Preferably during the kid's biggest job interview.

    The important thing isn't whether or not this kid grabbed her ass. The important thing is that he could have, and for a woman, that is reality enough.

    1. Number 2   7 years ago

      Has anyone asked this nine-year-old if he had ever been blackout drunk? Because if he has, then his denials of responsibility are automatically not believable.

      1. JesseAz   7 years ago

        The kid fell asleep once. That's the same as blacked our right?

        1. Ron   7 years ago

          or it could have been a sugar high you know how kids get after eating their Fruit looks

      2. Bearded Spock   7 years ago

        He was crying and loudly denying that he did it, which is exactly what an entitled rich Yale frat boy would do if he was caught red-handed.

        What more proof do you need?

        In any case, the kid clearly does not have the temperament to advance to junior high. His angry tears show he is not even fit for 5th grade.

  7. sarcasmic   7 years ago

    Wouldn't

  8. colorblindkid   7 years ago

    This shit happens all the time across America with people of all races. The media only jumps on stories when they can make it a white racism against black narrative. This doesn't apply just to this issue, but to every type of story.

    When's the last time you saw race added in a headline that wasn't about a white person doing something to a non-white person?

    Twice as many unarmed white people are killed by cops than unarmed black people every year. Have you ever seen a headline "Cops shoot unarmed white man"? No. It doesn't fit the narrative. All of the 100% focus on race distracts from the actual problem and the actual solutions.

    1. colorblindkid   7 years ago

      Just like the lemonade stand stories. Anybody at Reason knows cops have been shutting down lemonade stands across America for years, usually in nice suburbs. A lot of the stories are about white kids. But the media finds two instances of it happening to black kids, makes it national news and entirely about racism, to fit the "white people calling cops on black people" narrative, despite there being dozens of cases where cops shut down white kids' lemonade stands and it didn't even make the news.

      1. JunkScienceIsJunk   7 years ago

        I hear you, but I'll take what I can get. If racism is the thing that finally puts the nail in the coffin of police misconduct, then fine.

        1. Inigo Montoya   7 years ago

          I agree. My only caveat is that, when people believe the entire police misconduct problem stems from racism, they will never address the concept of qualified immunity or the out-of-control Police Unions that are even bigger contributors to the problem.

          If they could magically make sure no racist is ever again hired to be a cop, you'd still get a bunch of violent bullies doing whatever they feel like and getting away with it by claiming "furtive movements" or "I smelled pot" or something.

        2. CDRSchafer   7 years ago

          Yeah because police misconduct is such a big problem relative to criminal misconduct.

    2. sarcasmic   7 years ago

      All of the 100% focus on race distracts from the actual problem and the actual solutions.

      "First responders" have been deified since 9/11. To criticize cops as a whole is blasphemy. It's OK to criticize a few bad apples as racist, but to criticize the entire bunch would warrant being stoned to death.

      1. Tom Bombadil   7 years ago

        As a former First Responder, I hate the term "First Responder".

        1. Trainer   7 years ago

          In Houston, first responders usually make there after the tow trucks, neighbors, the news and the insurance people so it's not even an accurate name.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 years ago

            The people who respond first are the people at the scene.

            "First Responder" is just branding.

            1. sarcasmic   7 years ago

              The people who respond first are the people at the scene.

              They don't count because they're not government.

        2. Earth Skeptic   7 years ago

          Weel, it beats second or third responder.

    3. Paloma   7 years ago

      If twice as many unarmed white people as black people are killed by police, it's STILL disproportionate.

      1. sarcasmic   7 years ago

        Cops better start killing a lot more white people to get the numbers proportional. Then it will be OK.

        1. JesseAz   7 years ago

          It's not even a lot more. 66%, given the generic statistics, is not far from 78%ish.

        2. Earth Skeptic   7 years ago

          Not only that, but whites have to start murdering more other people, especially blacks, if we want killing parity.

      2. JesseAz   7 years ago

        If you normalize by race instead of incidents of crime, sure. You may be interested in a paper by a black UW professor in regards to shootings.

    4. Ben of Houston   7 years ago

      Well, to be frank, it is attention grabbing, and attention grabbing to the right people. It's just preposterous enough to make everyone agree just how absurd the situation is. However, the race angle reminds people of some events that were no less false but much more tragic.

      If we can get the extremists to accept that false accusations happen and that we cannot just automatically believe any accusation, we might be able to bring people into the realm of reason again. Bringing race into it is just a rhetorical technique.

      1. VOTE MILES   7 years ago

        Well, to be frank, it is attention grabbing, and attention grabbing to the right people.

        I thought it was butt grabbing. Butt grabbing of the whyte wymins who don't lie.

  9. Jerryskids   7 years ago

    The hierarchy of victimhood is an ever-changing stack - kind of like crabs trying to climb out of a cooking pot. #MeToo has temporarily displaced #XeTwoOrMore at the top and pushed #POC waaaay down the pile.

    1. Trollificus   7 years ago

      Really. White male, called a "faggot" in public? They won't even take the call. And lesbian feminists who don't back trans rights as "women"*?? They were pushed out of the stack while it was still moving!!

      1. Trollificus   7 years ago

        *-Trans Exlusionary Radical Feminists, or TERFs. Also, my "quotes" around 'women' are a tasty mix of misogynistic and transphobic, I think.

      2. Vernon Depner   7 years ago

        Gay white men aren't even in the stack anymore. They're just oppressors like all the other white men.

  10. Juice   7 years ago

    reminds everyone not to automatically believe victims accusers

    1. MasterThief   7 years ago

      A point I kept needing to make during the Ford testimony. The victim is the accused if the accuser's account is inaccurate. Just because someone says something bad happened to them doesn't make then a victim.

      1. Paloma   7 years ago

        The word I keep seeing is "survivor". Like they managed to crawl out of Ted Bundy's trunk.

        1. JesseAz   7 years ago

          Her 2 question polygraph almost killed her sir.

          1. loveconstitution1789   7 years ago

            Polygraph....hahaha.

            Means: Many graphs.

            1. loveconstitution1789   7 years ago

              ...Not truth telling machine.

              1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 years ago

                I feel nervous machine.

  11. OEPYZ   7 years ago

    Hand any group a weapon like Metoo they can use with impunity and it will be misused.

  12. MasterThief   7 years ago

    How does Robby square away his title 9 and other sexual allegations with how he covered the Kavanaugh bs? It's a completely different tone where politics is the only factor I can see to make him flip.

    1. Here for the outrage   7 years ago

      This article will get zero pushback from the leftist mob Reason would rather write to than to people seeking moral consistency

    2. mad.casual   7 years ago

      How does Robby square away his title 9 and other sexual allegations with how he covered the Kavanaugh bs?

      He doesn't. "To be sure. Polly wants a cracker!"

    3. JunkScienceIsJunk   7 years ago

      I think he was clear on that. And so was the Volokh articles. They believe that due process should not be applied to people in a job interview. If I recall, Robby also didn't like Kav's behavior on the stand, which is certainly legit. I don't know if it's legit enough to warrant a "no" vote, but it was troubling anyway.

  13. Leo Kovalensky II   7 years ago

    I thought after the confirmation the Kavanaugh stories would be over. Now I find out that he's dressing up as a 9 year old black child in Brooklyn?

    1. Dont Tread On Womyn   7 years ago

      i literally lol'd

      1. Bearded Spock   7 years ago

        #MeToo.

        Outstanding comment, Leo.

    2. Don't look at me!   7 years ago

      The guy is everywhere!

  14. Bee Tagger   7 years ago

    Peter Suderman

    where. is. e. n. b?

    1. Bee Tagger   7 years ago

      Webmaster: please move to AM Roundup thread

  15. Bee Tagger   7 years ago

    Boston Dynamics now has a robot that can run a parkour course.

    does it also park on a runour course?

    1. Rich   7 years ago

      Ofcourse!

    2. Bee Tagger   7 years ago

      Webmaster: please move to AM Roundup thread

      1. Fist of Etiquette   7 years ago

        No. Leave it here for all to see.

        1. loveconstitution1789   7 years ago

          Send it to Glib website, so they can see how bad Reason has become.

          1. TuIpa   7 years ago

            And still be jealous because of how shitty they always were.

    3. Don't look at me!   7 years ago

      No, it's par for the course .

  16. Rich   7 years ago

    The woman offered an apology after viewing the surveillance footage, though some have questioned her sincerity.

    "Believe Women Apologizers!"

    1. Ecoli   7 years ago

      We must believe her apology.

      1. Ben of Houston   7 years ago

        To be frank, I believe her. There are very few people who are outright evil.

        She probably did legitimately think that she had been groped and I have little doubt that she was mortified when she saw what actually happened on video.

        That's why I am so worried about this "believe all women" thing. People can be wrong. If you read any report about the Innocence Project, you will never believe eyewitness testimony at face value again. Almost every case they've cleared that wasn't an outright setup was decided on witnesses IDing the wrong person.

        1. Ablutomania   7 years ago

          Did you actually watch the video? She just kind of glance around at first, and it's only after the angry mom starts ripping into her that the survivor realizes she's been assaulted.

          Not to mention,what was that little twerk/grinding thing the survivor did at the beginning of the confrontation?

          This was never about 'assault," and the survivor never thought she'd been raped. This was about two women screeching at each other and dragging the cops into a mild bodega dispute.

  17. JesseAz   7 years ago

    I could have sworn I saw Robby use the 2-7% metric in his kavanaugh is a rapist articles. Only now he denies the statistics?

    1. GILMORE?   7 years ago

      Math is hard

      1. SIV   7 years ago

        "Malibu Robbie"

    2. Zeb   7 years ago

      7% seems like a lot. And it's supposed to be evidence that false accusations are so rare that we shouldn't even worry about it?

  18. BikeRider   7 years ago

    Women would like about sexual assault? No, really?

    https://tinyurl.com/y8de5jhf

  19. Nardz   7 years ago

    Is skin color really the primary factor here, Robby?
    You know what's racist?
    Defining people as primarily their ethnicity.
    Fuck off

    1. JunkScienceIsJunk   7 years ago

      Is skin color really the primary factor here, Robby?

      How do you know it's not? Would she have made the same assumption if it was a white kid? Would she have been equally outraged if a white mother got in her face about the accusation (this was what prompted her to call 911 -- not the boy's alleged "grope" itself)? Based on a lot of compelling evidence that black people are more frequently wrongfully accused than white people (such as this), I think those are fair questions to ask.

      What do we know? We know that this woman is not a reasonable person. We also know she's vindictive (who calls the cops on a 9 year old for this anyway??). Having those things be racially motivated fits the profile.

      1. A Thinking Mind   7 years ago

        We can't know that she would not have called the cops on a 9 year old white boy who had brushed his backpack against her. Since we can't know, we can't just make assumptions and frame the issue that way. That's how we avoid taking steps forward.

        1. JunkScienceIsJunk   7 years ago

          We can't know that MeToo influenced her thinking here either, but we're making that assumption too. We're assuming that the current political and social environment is giving rise to this crazy shit. White women's documented fear of black males counts as part of the current political and social environment.

  20. Rob Misek   7 years ago

    We need better laws to discourage these false allegations.

    Something like "reciprocal punishment" where the false accuser is given the same punishment that a conviction of the false allegation would have resulted in.

    Then these Meetoo bitches with an ounce of self preservation would think twice before going to jail.

    1. JesseAz   7 years ago

      Dailywire had a run down of some hoaxes. A lot of multi year sentences for the falsley accused with no time once discovered to be false for the accuser. Was sad.

    2. JunkScienceIsJunk   7 years ago

      I don't think becoming even MORE of a litigious or punitive state is the answer. Government isn't the solution to this problem. I think the answer is the good ol' fashioned libertarian solution: public shaming by private actors. And it's working exceedingly well with this case right now. She is being universally called out for this, and it's influencing how people think about the whole thing.

  21. Milo   7 years ago

    The low percentage of false accusations in a system where accusers are required to provide evidence and the accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty can not be adduced to support the claim that the false accusation rate will remain equally low in a system without adequate due process and where accusers are presumptively believed.

  22. Milo   7 years ago

    The low percentage of false accusations in a system where accusers are required to provide evidence and the accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty can not be adduced to support the claim that the false accusation rate will remain equally low in a system without adequate due process and where accusers are presumptively believed.

    1. Trollificus   7 years ago

      Good point. That rate is indeed likely to change in response to consequences, social approval, etc., as witness the number of "regret accusations" that have been publicized at universities, where any accusation of 'unwanted sexual contact' is not only sympathetically believed, but actively encouraged and redefined down as much as necessary.

      This sets precedent for the public accusations of many behaviors that obviously fall well short of prosecutable offense, but are still weaponized to have serious consequences for the offending male.All towards the dubious goal of becoming a member of the victimized class.

    2. A Thinking Mind   7 years ago

      That's not even an issue. The issue is that the statistics used to make the false assumptions claim are inherently bogus and should not be used. It's a lie.

      When those are quoted, the terms "false" and "accusation" are both variables. Whoever is making a claim can just slide the variables to frame whatever point they want to make. It weaponizes false information.

  23. SIV   7 years ago

    Trump has driven these progressive white feminists so insane they think even little boys are trying to "grab them by the pussy".

    1. Rob Misek   7 years ago

      They could have walked.

  24. creech   7 years ago

    Is the meme supposed to be that one of Trump's deplorable white racists unfairly accused a black boy of sexual assault? I suppose there are a few Trump supporters in Brooklyn but odds are she isn't one of them.

    1. Don't look at me!   7 years ago

      Well of course not. If she was, she would have shoutted some foul racial epithets and pulled a gun on the kid.

    2. Trollificus   7 years ago

      Turns out she's actually a rabid feminist, with an eminently resistible butt. Though I'm sure her private world is chock full of rapists, given a sufficiently rarefied value of 'rapist'.

    3. SIV   7 years ago

      Theresa Klein identifies herself as a "big fan" of Shaun King. I'd wager most of these women frightened/offended/suspicious of Black children and men that show up on the social media are politically "left of center".

    4. Seven Hordes   7 years ago

      She ain't no Trump supporter. She's a PC harpie who is very very left wing, and is willing to ruin a 9 year old boy's life for her PC ideology. If there was no video, she would demand the boy be arrested, and the Dem party would stand with her.

  25. TrickyVic (old school)   7 years ago

    This is a product of hypersensitivity to sexual assault. I feel bad for the kid. The woman felt something rub against her butt. To her, it was sexual assault right there. She turned around and saw who did it. The kid, was just trying to navigate a crowded area with a back pack and the back pack brushed up against her. He may or may not have known it happened. But instead of the woman looking for a reasonable explanation, she was already convinced it was sexual assault. Something rubbed her butt, therefore she was a victim of sexual assault. That's the problem. But that's also the messaging that has been going out. Zero tolerance to sexual assault. Lucky for the kid it was on video.

    Sadly there is a lesson to be learned, but it's not going to be learned because no one wants to focus on the root problem. They would rather call the woman names instead of some reflection on the actual elements of the event.

    1. Earth Skeptic   7 years ago

      Somewhere in her psyche must be a confused vortex about fear of sexual assault and desire for sexual assault, plus the stronger desire to attain victimhood status.

  26. earthandweather   7 years ago

    This is Robbie's kind of story. The twitter sphere is all a flutter so Robbie is on the case. Thanks....Such an important story.

  27. Eddy   7 years ago

    "If believing the woman is the beginning and the end of a search for the truth, then we have left the realm of justice for religion."

    Oh, piss off.

    "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Exodus 20:16

    "One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sins: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall a matter be established." - Deuteronomy 19:15

    "A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaks lies shall not escape." - Proverbs 19:5

    1. Longtobefree   7 years ago

      "A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaks lies shall not escape." - Proverbs 19:5

      New folk song - - -
      Where have all the politicians gone?

    2. Earth Skeptic   7 years ago

      Come on, that's all old testament fire and brimstone. Loving christians have all moved on (and progressives are now on the newer-newer-newer new testament).

    3. Just Say'n   7 years ago

      Eddy, you're assuming that the comparison is being made to existing faiths. I think Robby is right to attribute it to an almost religious zeal. "Believe All Women" is virtually indistinguishable from "sola fides". They are substituting concrete proof for "faith alone".

      1. Eddy   7 years ago

        It's Emily Yoffe, not Suave.

    4. swillfredo pareto   7 years ago

      Oh, piss off.

      That's not the point and I suspect you know it. It is great that Christians are called to take a stand against lying but the point Yoffe is making is about belief without evidence. You know, religion.

      1. Eddy   7 years ago

        She's pulling a Reason - "the particular situation I'm discussing has to do with my side, but to stay woke I have to throw off a line about both sides doing it."

        1. Eddy   7 years ago

          It's the equivalent of thumping her chest and saying "this sort of irrationality is Trump-like." A way to compensate for calling out her own people.

  28. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   7 years ago

    not to automatically believe victims accusers.

    Fixed that for you. They're not victims until their accusations are proven.

  29. Longtobefree   7 years ago

    #himtoo

  30. Weigel's Cock Ring   7 years ago

    That nine year old black kid sure is lucky he's not a constitutionalist originalist or the Welchie Boys would be singing a much different tune!

    1. Bearded Spock   7 years ago

      All Reason needs now is to find out he has a poster of Clarence Thomas on his bedroom wall.

  31. Just Say'n   7 years ago

    Woah- Elizabeth Warren has really hit rock bottom

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 years ago

      Seems like airing out an issue before a 2020 run. She's trying to close the door on it.

      1. Eddy   7 years ago

        She wants it filed under "old news" by the time the campaign starts.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   7 years ago

          Yep

          1. Eddy   7 years ago

            I can understand how she'd rather be evaluated on the excellence of her policy ideas. /sarc

  32. Marshal   7 years ago

    It's revealing the objection is only to the element violating the victim hierarchy and Robby thinks this is "perceptive". In fact it's anything but.

    Apparently even at Reason we can't stand up for equal rights.

  33. Number 2   7 years ago

    THIS JUST IN!

    Michael Avenatti is scheduling a press conference at which he will reveal a sworn certification from a 25-year-old woman who regularly attends children's birthday parties, and who claims to have seen this nine-year-old boy organizing gang rapes.

    1. Bearded Spock   7 years ago

      That's too unbelievable, even for Avenatti.

      But I'd bet if you dragged a dollar through this kid's school playground you'd find stories of him enticing girls to play "Doctor" or "Show Me Yours And I'll Show You Mine".

    2. Seven Hordes   7 years ago

      There was a time when Dems thought Avenatti would make a great presidential contender.

      1. Longtobefree   7 years ago

        For them, he still is

  34. JunkScienceIsJunk   7 years ago

    The idiot appeared to be motivated by the boy's mother, not by the actual (alleged) behavior by the boy. She wouldn't have so flippantly made gyrations about it otherwise. She wasn't offended or bothered by the alleged "groping", she was annoyed by it and likes to argue.

  35. NoVaNick   7 years ago

    If this woman's butt were smaller, this wouldn't have happened. She should go to Italy if she wants to see what real butt grabbin looks like

  36. NoVaNick   7 years ago

    If this woman's butt were smaller, this wouldn't have happened. She should go to Italy if she wants to see what real butt grabbin looks like

  37. NoVaNick   7 years ago

    Sorry for the duplicate post

    1. Eddy   7 years ago

      You had to pad out your post because you didn't have much to work with - like the woman with the little butt.

      Seriously, I'm sure the situation could have been handled better, but then again, if you're in a public place and accuse a child of groping you, then you're going to get a reaction, especially if it turns out you were wrong.

  38. VOTE MILES   7 years ago

    "If believing the woman is the beginning and the end of a search for the truth, then we have left the realm of justice for religion."

    Of course, progressivism is the new religion. And the Reverend Kirkland is what passes for its clergy.

  39. MaleMatters   7 years ago

    "Believe all women" means "Don't believe any man." Very sexist.

    MeToo feminists don't want you to know that there are as many unscrupulous women as unscrupulous men. See what unscrupulous women do:

    "How We Waded Into The Sexual Harassment Quagmire -- Taking the Long, Hard Path Out" http://malemattersusa.wordpres.....-quagmire/

  40. Bearded Spock   7 years ago

    So, now we're back to not believing all women?

    Could Reason prepare a flow chart of when women are deemed credible and when they are not? K thnx.

    1. Longtobefree   7 years ago

      If they have any actual evidence, they can be believed enough to investigate the issue.
      If not, not.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   7 years ago

      If you would have asked a woman if any unsolicited touching of her butt was sexual assault two weeks ago, the answer would be yes. The kid is guilty by that definition. That's the problem with people thinking of things in binary.

      A more reasonable answer would be it depends, was it intentional?

      But the message was loud and clear that intentions do not matter. Now we have seen the effect of that. Unfortunately instead of learning an important lesson, they just decided to call her Cornerstore Caroline.

  41. operagost   7 years ago

    "Serious question. How do we square the idea that women don't make false accusations and should be believed, with the fact that white women have used false accusations as weapons against black men, and black people generally throughout this country's history?"

    You throw that idea in the trash, because the truth trumps politics.

    1. Eddy   7 years ago

      It's an intersectional diagram in four or five dimensions. We include factors such as whether the black person is conservative (thus losing points), whether the woman is a single mother and/or LGBTQ (thus gaining points), and all sorts of evidence-based variables that you rubes wouldn't understand.

  42. IceTrey   7 years ago

    not to automatically believe ACCUSERS.

    FIFY.

  43. Seven Hordes   7 years ago

    According to the left, this woman should be believed, and the little boy should be jailed for the rest of his life. The video footage should be destroyed as well. The owner of the bodega should also be arrested for assisting a sexual predator.

    At this rate, the PC brigades will deface Emmett Till's statue with the word "rapist" on it. I'm sure it's being discussed at the highest levels of the Dem party. After all, Emmett was accused of sexual misconduct, and we should believe all women,, Isn't that right Obama? Pelosi? Gillibrand? Schumer? Hello?

  44. Longtobefree   7 years ago

    Who you gonna believe? A woman, or your lying eyes?
    Doesn't anyone else know that videos can be edited?

  45. Duelles   7 years ago

    Well, well, we'll! Another To kill a mockingbird moment . Screw Spartacus!

  46. Social Justice is neither   7 years ago

    Sorry Robby, but her story is "credible" and it would be an insult to all "survivors" to disrespect her truth so he must face justice. Just because there is evidence to counter her narrative you should be woke enough to know that truth and facts are tools of the patriarchy and thus illegitimate.

    Or is that just when there's a Republican in the crosshairs of this see something say something witch hunt?

    1. Carter Mitchell   7 years ago

      Thanks for using sarcasm to illustrate the insane nature of this new "victimhood" culture.

  47. Joe Clave   7 years ago

    Insert clever "to kill a mockingbird" joke here.

  48. Fetish   7 years ago

    Honest opinions please:

    Suppose the boy had intentionally touched her while he was passing by. And suppose it was an adult.

    Is that sexual assault to begin with? While it's certainly unwanted contact, what type of punishment would you think is *actually* appropriate given the amount of victimization?

  49. Nominalis   7 years ago

    I was standing next to a pregnant woman and her unborn foetus sexually molested me. Either you believe me or you're a sexist, misogynistic, homophobe who supports rape culture.

    1. Nominalis   7 years ago

      I forgot "racist".

  50. luxor1001   7 years ago

    Since the woman made a mistake, she did NOT make a "false" accusation?"false" implies that she was lying. She made a mistaken or a wrong accusation,and you don't have to be "maximally charitable" to acknowledge that. And since when she felt the backpack against her butt she did NOT know the race of the boy, her accusation had nothing at all to do with the boy being black. The Root's observation is therefore doubly hysterical. The real outrage is that she called the police. That's all. I'm against the attack on the presumption of innocence just as you are, Mr. Soave, but you have been irresponsible because your language is careless and your reasoning reckless.

    1. JunkScienceIsJunk   7 years ago

      His language was perfectly acceptable. False does not imply she was lying. You give her too much credit. Her assumption was objectively unreasonable.

  51. luxor1001   7 years ago

    Oh, and the headline should read "a nine-year-old black boy." Order of adjectives is important.

  52. Chasman1965   7 years ago

    One name tells it all:

    Tom Robinson
    (BKA as Atticus Finch's client)

  53. Carter Mitchell   7 years ago

    What's missing in all of these discussions is the very real need for imposing serious consequences on those who are demonstrably guilty of making false accusations. In this case, criminal and civil penalties should be levied against the woman. At the very least, something akin to reckless endangerment, along with financial compensation to the victim - here a 9-year old kid and his parents.

  54. gah87   7 years ago

    Senator Hirono from Hawaii summed it up: the victim is to be believed when you don't like the accused's politics.

  55. Agammamon   7 years ago

    But her accusation was credible, right? And she should have been believe up to the point the tape was checked, right? And she should have been believed so hard that no one would bother to check the tape, right?

    That's sort of the take-away I got from your Kavanaugh articles.

  56. spanky & alfalfa   7 years ago

    this sort of trash is very beneath your intellectual acumen mr. soave.

  57. loki   7 years ago

    On the upside, perhaps the cops will be less likely to respond to Cornerstore Caroline's call the next time this kid's mother sees her on the street and kicks the living shit out of her.

  58. BillyG   7 years ago

    But in truth, we can't definitively say that false allegations are as low as 2?8 percent, the statistic often cited by activists.

    They're claiming 8 percent is low?

  59. CATT   7 years ago

    OMG I could not believe how rude and crude the white woman was, especially in front of the other woman's two young children. What a piece of work.

  60. Jeep's Blues   7 years ago

    "How do we square the idea that women don't make false accusations and should be believed."

    Does Mr. Soave believe this to be true. An objective critical analysis is that the statement is patently false. Being a member of a gender or sex does not make one's accusations magically true.

    In my own life, post college I was once accused of sexual assault by a total stranger who I'd never been within 10 feet of. A white woman who invented this phantasy from whole cloth. If her accusation had been automatically 'believed' the 5 police officer's who showed up threatening to arrest me would have placed my black body in jail. Luckily truth prevailed ? in addition to my innocence there were witnesses, unbeknownst to me, who had seen us ? and she was unable to secure my arrest and was proven to be a fraudster.

    Mr. Soave would be advised to use his grownup intellect here. Automatically 'believing' anyone without exploring facts is not, and never was justice.

  61. loki   7 years ago

    No need for the government to get involved here. This is nothing a good old fashioned ass whipping wouldn't fix.

  62. vek   7 years ago

    WOW. What kind of a person thinks to call the cops on some kid that touches their butt... Telling the kids mom, and if they were being dumb about it, possibly chewing them out/getting angsty... Sure, I can see that. But THE COPS.

    People are friggin' nuts in this country nowadays.

  63. Palatki   7 years ago

    Yeah. She should have turned the other cheek.

  64. Jonathan Appleseed   7 years ago

    See, now, this is the type of surveillance i condone.

  65. BrandiThompson56   7 years ago

    Stay at home mom Kelly Richards from New York after resigning from her full time job managed to average from $6000-$8000 a month from freelancing at home... This is how she done it
    .......
    ???USA~JOB-START

  66. comfi   7 years ago

    wow, this is insane,
    thanks for sharing.
    comfi

  67. CDRSchafer   7 years ago

    First mistake is being in Brooklyn.

  68. MabelPotter89   7 years ago

    Stay at home mom Kelly Richards from New York after resigning from her full time job managed to average from $6000-$8000 a month from freelancing at home... This is how she done it
    .......
    ???USA~JOB-START

  69. creativebiogene22   7 years ago

    Chimeric antigen receptor (CAR) T cell therapy is a cellular therapy which redirects a patient's T cells to specifically target and destroy tumor cells.https://www.creative-biogene.com/

  70. Michael Ejercito   7 years ago

    There should be no anonymity.

    In fact, the identity of accusedrs should be a matter of public reopcrd, stored in a public database.

  71. epsilon given   7 years ago

    Yes, there are scholars who made the claim. They have even published their work in peer-reviewed journals, hold professorships, and have not lost their positions upon making these claims -- and thus are proven members of the scholarship community in good standing.

    Hence, claiming that they aren't scholars is an example of the True Scotsman fallacy.

    Besides, ignoring that such scholars exist ignores the rot that is pervasive in higher education. To ignore scholars we don't like risks putting us in a position af saying "Scholars are good people. It's just that 99% give the rest a bad name."

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