3D Printing

Downloadable Gun Designs Are Here To Stay, Whether Politicians Like It Or Not

Officials trying to stop people from sharing information online are still raging against Napster.


collage of Defense Distributed designs

It would be nice if the courts were to acknowledge that sharing the designs for firearms online is just like printing them up and distributing them in a book—that is, an act of free speech protected by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. It would be nice, and it's a point even conceded by at least one of the state attorneys general trying to stop Defense Distributed from sharing such plans online, but the legal nod is hardly necessary. The internet is a nearly perfect medium for distributing information no matter what the law says, which is something that politicians should have learned when they declared war on Napster almost two decades ago without making a dent in file-sharing. Just like shared music and movie files, downloadable gun plans are here to stay.

"I'm sorry that some people are just waking up to the idea that the First Amendment protects scientific inquiry that doesn't advantage…what?…the gun control movement?" commented Cody Wilson, head honcho of Defense Distributed, to Fox News's Chris Wallace on Sunday.

Wilson spoke after the federal government dropped its efforts to keep gun designs off the Internet by insisting they violated munitions-export rules. In fact, the federal government hadn't actually accomplished its censorious goal at all—except in the case of high-profile Defense Distributed, which developed the first 3D-printed firearm, the Liberator. The federal settlement recognized reality and let Defense Distributed loose to do what others were already doing. Then, a gaggle of state attorneys general promptly freaked out in public and found a federal judge to issue a temporary restraining order (TRO) forcing Defense Distributed to take its DefCad.com file repository offline.

Wilson's point about the First Amendment would seem to have been confirmed by New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal, one of the would-be muzzlers who sought the TRO against Defense Distributed.

"Posting this material online is no different than driving to New Jersey and handing out hard-copy files on any street corner," huffed Grewal on a website that disseminated his musings far and wide. "The federal government is no longer willing to stop Defense Distributed from publishing this dangerous code, and so New Jersey must step up."

Well, yes; "hard-copy files" are also known as books, and you can pick up books containing gun designs at street-corner booksellers in New Jersey and elsewhere, as well as online. You can even pick up books on illegal activities (making your own gun is perfectly legal in the United States), like manufacturing methamphetamine, because publishing and sharing information on such activities is protected free speech under the First Amendment.

Perhaps Grewal let slip his comparison because, unbeknownst to many of us, Cracker Jacks not only continue to be manufactured as a tasty treat, but also occasionally include law degrees as valuable prizes. Or maybe Grewal is just uncomfortable with the whole free speech thing and would happily burn books as well as websites if he had his way

Fortunately for those of us who do favor free speech and don't especially care about the legal savvy or legislative preferences of government officials, knowledge is even harder to scrub from the Internet than it is from the printed page. Soon after DefCad went dark, the files it contained were mirrored and distributed across the Internet.

The highest-profile of the mirror sites is Codeisfreespeech.com, sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition, Firearms Policy Foundation, the Calguns Foundation, and the California Association of Federal Firearms Licensees. In response to gun-controllers' protests, that site was quickly booted from Amazon's hosting service. But in a demonstration of the uphill battle faced by online censors, it was back online before you could blink. All of Defense Distributed's gun design files are currently available for download, and for dropping into a cloud folder to share with friends, or attaching to emails and instant messages.

Go ahead and spread the good word.

It's difficult to believe that government officials didn't anticipate the failure of their efforts to suppress the files—if we ignore the inherent limitations of intellect and historical knowledge under which such creatures function, that is.

When the French government, in 1996, banned Le Grand Secret, a tell-all confessional by President Francois Mitterand's personal physician, it was promptly scanned and distributed around the globe to evade censorship (Reason contributor Declan McCullagh prominently participated in that effort).

When a federal court issued an injunction against the Napster music file-sharing service in 2001, the company went away, but file-sharing became more popular than ever. Enthusiasts developed peer-to-peer technology independent of centralized servers, and therefore much harder to shut down.

And BitTorrent—coupled with faster Internet connections—makes the sharing of large files, such as movies, an easy task, no matter what the law allows. Despite repeated government efforts, online sharing of music and films is reportedly bigger than ever.

"Is the genie already out of the bottle?" Chris Wallace went on to ask Cody Wilson in that Fox News interview. "Is this information already out there and we're arguing about something that's already happened?"

Well, yes! The genie absolutely is out of the bottle.

It would be best if government officials recognized that sharing gun design files is a legitimate exercise of free speech rights, just as is disseminating any other kind of knowledge. Living under a restrained regime that respects your rights is better than exercising those rights in defiance of a hostile, but generally impotent one.

But people will continue to exercise their free speech rights, with or without legal permission. And so downloadable gun design files are here to stay.

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  1. I’m so glad I can either a.) blow my hand off creating a shitty plastic gun for thousands of dollars or b.) create a decent gun that maybe will work by using a metal sintering 3D printer. You gun nuts can go ahead and buy mine at a special price of $999,999.99. IM me if interested.

    We live in a glorious new world in which I can spend a million dollars to blow the face off of anyone that dares criticize the greatest President ever rather than just buying a gun off the internet like the sheeple did back in 2014. Progress, man.

    1. Lefties really hate the Constitution and especially the 1st and 2nd Amendments. It puts such a damper on their agenda.

      Its even funnier that the Lefties are reverting back to their Agrarian roots and attacking any progress made in technology and international good relations.

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    2. I doubt I’d ever 3d print a gun. Some parts of one? Maybe. A grip, perhaps, it would be good for that. But nothing critical.

      But, of course, I’m a mechanical engineer with machine shop experience. I’d just go ahead and make one out of steel.

      Like this one, maybe. (Got the physical book, years ago.) Or maybe I’d just design one from scratch, that could be fun. Maybe a Calico knockoff in .45 LC.

      The 3d printed guns aren’t meant to be useful as guns. They’re just cluebats for gun controllers, an attempt to get them to figure out they aren’t going to succeed, that the horse left the barn and the barn burned down centuries ago.

      It isn’t going to work, of course. But it’s fun beating them with the bat anyway.

      1. “… I’m a mechanical engineer with machine shop experience. …”

        Peasants in the Philippine Islands have made working guns from gas pipe for generations.
        There is cottage industry in India making muskets of stainless steel refrigeration pipe scrounged from shipwrecks — thousands of barrels from one shipwreck.
        Google DIY do-it-yourself firearms.
        Australian bikies (motorcycle gangs) making MAC-10 submachine guns in their workshops post the great 1996 Aussie gun buyback.
        Criminals and Insurgents making “Carlos”, copies of the Carl Gustav m/1945 submachine gun, sometimes styled to look like AK47s or MP5s, called Carlos (in Israel), Rattlers (in Sweden), AK22 (in India).
        Peasant in the Khyber Pass sitting at a vise with a chunk of steel, file, handdrill, replicating any gun you could lay before him.

        Not a trained mechanical engineer or 3D printer amongst them.

        British Home Office Report 298 (2006) ten years after the 1996 handgun ban, a study on the illegal market in guns in England and Wales, details the rise of a criminal class known as armourers who fence, smuggle, repair, modify, or even make guns. Imprisoned British gun criminals told their interviewers they could get a gun off the streets within a week of release.

        The uplifters are going gaga over a 3D printed derringer? I’ll bet you can download the gene map of marijuana plants too.

        1. I didn’t mean to suggest you actually had to be an engineer or machinist to do it. That book I linked to wasn’t intended for professionals.

          The fact is that there are many thousands of people in the US even now who manufacture their own guns as a hobby, and often match grade guns, too, not cheap junk. There are millions who could do it if they wanted.

          Like I said, the horse left the barn, and the barn burned down, centuries ago. The gun controllers’ dream of a country disarmed is a total fantasy.

          The 3d printer stuff is just an effort to get them to realize that.

          1. I have built three rifles in the past year. You are correct it is easy and fun.

          2. Re: “the horse left the barn, and the barn burned down, centuries ago”

            Cody Wilson’s repeated point to Chris Wallace in the interview is that the horse was never in the barn in the first place, so to speak, regarding the right and ability of persons to make their own firearms.

        2. According to Graham Greene, Packard exhaust pipes make the best mortar tubes. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

        3. Hell, the only reason why homemade guns aren’t very common in the US is because it’s still easier and far less of a hassle for the majority of people to buy a gun “off the shelf” so to speak. As soon as that’s no longer the case, you’ll start seeing a lot more homemade guns. At which point the gun grabbers will conclude that they just need to “Prog Harder.”

          1. Exactly. When Democrats started talking about banning tactical rifles after Sandy Hook, the number of companies making 80% lowers tripled. Since then, the market has continued to expand and the cost of the rest of the parts has dropped so you have a selection from lower cost, strictly Mil-spec parts to higher quality, match grade parts. There is always someone looking to build a better mousetrap.

            1. But that’s what’s wrong with capitalism! Nobody needs 23 different brands of mousetrap! \BernieBro

              1. I need 25 different brands — I love choice.

          2. Even my mother who is politically unaware realized that buying a gun today is far cheaper than buying a 3d printer plus supplies etc and even cheaper still if you steal the gun.

      2. The entire endeavor was nothing more than Wilson proving it is possible. He never intended for it to be practical. In addition he used an expensive commercial grade 3D printer, not a typical household printer.

    3. I’m so glad I can either a.) blow my hand off creating a shitty plastic gun for thousands of dollars or b.) create a decent gun that maybe will work by using a metal sintering 3D printer.

      I’m not sure what your point was other than “look at me, I’m a fucking retard!”

      Most of the plans that are being shared online are for 3-D printing the plastic parts of a gun, not for the entire gun (except for the Liberator and maybe a few others). And you don’t need a metal sintering 3-D printer to make the rest of the gun, all you need is a milling machine, a lathe, and a few other basic metal working tools found in any halfway decent machine shop. Third world peasants working out of caves in Pakistan are able to manufacture copies of AK-47s that are indistinguishable from the genuine article for fuck’s sake, and you retards are freaking out over the prospect of people being able to make their own guns at home? The technology to do exactly that has been around for decades. All 3-D printing does is make it easier for people to make the plastic parts in their garage.

      1. Dude, I’m not freaking out. I’m just spreading Dear Leader’s glory to all of you guys. He is the greatest President ever and probably definitely has a bigger cock than Khal Drago

        1. Youll never be the OBL of the right. Stop trying. You need intelligence and to understand what subtlety is key. Also actually understanding your opponents positions, which you seem to stupid to do.

          1. My opponents– those that hate Donald Trump– are all commies and fags. Why would I want to understand their positions?

            1. Pathetic. Go back to mediaite and practice some more. You’re really bad at this and cringey is a bad look for you.

      2. I agree. I think the only real change will be when someone designs a rifle lower or a handgun frame that can be printed at home. Since those are where the serial numbers are found, it will the same as finishing an 80% lower or frame. I seriously doubt any sane person will risk life and limb making a gun that is 100% plastic since the potential for failure is so high.

    4. First, when you say buy a gun off the internet, are you alluding to the fantasy you can do so without undergoing a background check? Second, you can already build a gun without using a 3D printer. You can mill an 80% lower in your home and buy the other parts online or in a store and assemble it yourself and it is totally legal, as long as you keep it for personal use. You cannot sell or transfer it to another person without obtaining a serial number from the ATF. I do agree the debate over plastic guns is idiotic since a true plastic gun is a one shot weapon the melts internally when fired. As I have said multiple times, just because something is possible does not mean it is practical.

      1. You can actually sell without a SN as long as you didn’t make with the intent to sell. Got bored of a hobby gun? Can sell no problem.

        1. At that point you’re legally supposed to file a form with the BATF, and they provide you with a serial number to stamp on it.

          And if you do it more than once they start asking pointed questions about why you didn’t get licensed as a manufacturer.

  2. The internet is a nearly perfect medium for distributing information no matter what the law says

    I know pert-near everyone here has heard the brain-as-a-computer analogy.

    Now imagine what we know of actual intelligence. The human detriment, right, is our individuality. Bees and other hive minds have more, and more thorough, data to crunch. Humans must need muddle along with a narrow perspective and limited data, however big our processors are.

    Now picture running a couple of million unique processors with individualized data. No one computer will have large portions of the needed input. It is when one assembles large numbers of unique processors, each holding highly individual data, that the server farm starts to lift outside its weight range.

    The internet may be the best thing we’ve ever accomplished. Get enough brains working, and theoretically humans can solve anything.

    which is something that politicians should have learned when they declared war on Napster almost two decades ago without making a dent in file-sharing.

    Never believe your own PR.

  3. The people who want the government to be the internet’s “gatekeeper” make me laugh. The idea that government bureaucrats can ever hope to keep up with technological changes is ludicrous.

    You can’t stop the signal. Not even by stabbing nerds with swords.

    1. Speaking as a nerd, who might even have a sword lying around somewhere, (Did I lose it in the last move?) I’d none the less prefer not to be stabbed.

      The NAZIs had a saying, I don’t remember the exact words, but the gist of it was that even the noblest idea could be suppressed by dragging those who expressed it into an alleyway and beating them with rubber hoses.

      Governments can’t entirely stop “the signal”, but they can do a darned good job of pushing the volume down if you let them get violent about it. And if Waco and Ruby Ridge taught us anything, it’s that the gun controllers are perfectly willing to get violent about it.

      1. If you live in Texas it is totally legal to carry your sword in public

        1. Here in South Carolina sword canes are legal with a concealed carry permit. Even sword canes with integrated guns. I totally plan on getting one when my arthritis gets a bit worse, and I finally need a cane.

        2. NH too. Pretty much all restrictions on blades were removed from the laws several years ago.

          1. They passed the law last year. It was passed to repeal an 1878 law specifically aimed at Bowie knives and ending knife fighting in post Civil War Texas which apparently according to history books was a HUGE problem.

      2. They can suppress it for a while. The Thousand Year Reich lasted a little less than a thousand years if I recall my history correctly.

        And in the internet age violence might not help them quite as much. I think there are millions of nerds who will run rings about attempts to even find out where the signal is coming from. Heck, some nerds run rings around the government just for the fun of it.

    2. You can’t stop the signal. Not even by stabbing nerds with swords.

      +1 “He killed me, Mal. Killed me with a sword. How weird is that?”

  4. The seven or eight attorneys generals who went judge shopping in Wash State did it strictly for political theater. They knew the digital data was already embedded on the hard drives of thousands of servers, personal computers, and laptops, as well as smart phones and a multitude of other digital storage devices.

    It’s too bad that Def Distributed took the brunt of the legal hit — hopefully, folks are contributing to Cody’s defense fund to fight back against these gov’t-sponsored meddlers whose only purpose is to virtue signal on behalf of the big-gov’t base.

    1. What is truly ridiciulous is having the info is not illegal. Using the information and actually producing the gun is illegal since there is a 1988 law banning the production of 100% plastic firearms. However, I agree they went judge shopping to find one willing to ignore the Constitution and issue the injunction

      1. The Liberator has a pocket you’re supposed to insert a hunk of metal into during the build, to make it legal. It’s not a functional part of the gun, but the law doesn’t require that the metal be functional, just present.

        You can print the gun without the metal insert, and have an illegal gun, but the law can’t simply assume in advance you’re going to break it, and deny you the means to do something legal.

        1. I have read that as well and that does make it legal. I still have to ask why would anyone want a bulky, ugly, one shot plastic gun when making one that is safer and long lasting is way easier and cheaper.

          1. Some people love to make stuff for fun.

            I plan on making a recurve bow out of PVC pipe next. It is not at all practical–I don’t have any archery experience, I don’t own any archery equipment or even arrows, and just about any firearm is far more effective than a bow and arrow. But I want to make one because it’s fun to make stuff.

            I would make a Liberator and test-fire it if I had a 3D printer, just for kicks. It would be the first thing I would print.

    2. I hear ya although IIUC, it will be the gov’ts paying for his legal fees when they lose. Just like the ACLU was paid their legal fees by gov’t losers. Unfortunately, that means the tax payers of those gov’t entities will pay the actual bill for Progressive male bovine excrement lawsuits.

  5. Sounds like CalGuns needs to sue the fuck out of Amazon Web Services for breach of contract.

  6. “These companies must do more than take down one website. The survival of our democracy depends on it,” [Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn.] tweeted Monday.

    When are clowns like Murphy going to recalled for violating their oaths of office? “The survival of our democracy depends on it.”

    1. Murphy is an idiot from CT. The only person who makes him look less foolish and clueless is his counterpart Blumenthal

    2. I find it amusing that Progressive Dems want location and identification verified for all accounts just like they require for voting in the Primary election of the Democratic Party yet fight against location and identification for voting in Primary elections.

  7. Obligatory: “Can’t stop the signal Mal.”

  8. I am waiting for some official to explain how posting these plans is different than selling copies of the “Anarchist’s Cookbook” which also has instructions for making weapons , such as plastic explosives. There is no difference. Both are protected SPEECH. In addition, the entire debate is stupid because the design of the completely plastic gun is a one shot weapon. Why? Because the plastic used in household 3D printers is ABS. ABS melts at 221 degrees which is necessary or it could not be used at home. Gunpowder ignites at 801 degrees. See a problem folks? Second, the so-called machine sold by Ghostgunner is a CNC miling machine that only produces a lower for an AR style rifle. You have to purchase the machine and accessories for about $3500 to make one lower and then have to buy all the other parts to complete the rifle.

    1. It’s not quite as stupid as that. Even consumer level printers like the one sitting in my library can print a variety of materials, some with fairly decent properties, like nylon. And a very brief exposure to high temperature gases isn’t going to melt the barrel of a plastic gun, it takes time to transfer the heat.

      The elasticity of the materials is the bigger issue, they bulge under the pressure, and most of the gas leaks past the bullet. You could probably game this a little by printing the barrel undersized, but ultimately the sorts of plastics we’re talking about here are just too fragile to get off more than a few shots before the gun is junk.

      There’s a reason he called his plastic gun “The Liberator”; It was deliberately named after a cheap junk gun manufactured during WWII to be dropped behind enemy lines by bombers. The gun wasn’t meant to be shot more than a few times, the idea was that you’d ambush a soldier, shoot him, and take HIS gun.

      The name is a threat, in other words: Even if you ban guns, we know who to get them from.

      1. Let me know if the nylon gun you are using blows your pinky off after 3 or 4 shots, ok. Thanks!

        1. Nah, I prefer my .45 LC revolver. A gift from my father, it’s got sentimental value in addition to stopping power.

          I just don’t want people thinking these plastic guns are going to blow up in your hand even if you follow the directions right. They’re not THAT bad. They’re junk, but not dangerous junk if you follow the directions.

          1. and with a few design mods like shielding or making sure the chamber is forward of your hand x distance you can protect your self from failure. heck maybe even a butchers steel mesh glove would be all you need

        2. You can wear Kevlar gloves, you know.

          There are plenty of videos of people firing the Liberators they made until they failed either in a vise or in hand. They did not explode down near the grip. The barrel part that breaks is very high up on the frame, far from the grip and trigger. The real danger is if you get hit in the face with some part of the barrel and aren’t wearing eye protection, but that is just as true with some kinds of malfunctions on all-metal guns.

      2. “… It was deliberately named after a cheap junk gun manufactured during WWII to be dropped behind enemy lines by bombers. The gun wasn’t meant to be shot more than a few times, the idea was that you’d ambush a soldier, shoot him, and take HIS gun…”

        Also some propaganda and psychological value (in the fight against WWII Germany).

        This is clearly what Defense Distributed is doing, He made the gun as a proof of concept both materially and ideologically. He knew the gun control crowd and government go nuts and would surely lose the battle. It didn’t even need to be a good weapon. It only needed to successfully fire one time and it was game on. I can image that feeling of success the fabricator felt when it first successfully fired.

        Ironically the old WWII Liberator is now worth about 2 grand. There are a couple on Gunbroker.com today. Some really nice photos can be found here.

        In WWII it was a POS in a war zone flooded with guns. Today the new 3D Liberator is a POS while high quality firearms are found everywhere.

        old WWII Liberator on Gunbroker.com (perishable link)

        Today’s 3D Liberator file on The Pirate Bay

  9. The justification for is another form of ‘She was wearing too sexy, so she had it coming.’ That is, it is an attempt to blame the other for you actions.

    Just own the f’ing thing: “We think he is icky, so we aren’t letting him in any more.” and be done with it.

    That is the problem I have with hate speach, PC, and all the nonesense: It is an attempt to make your opinion my fault. Bollocks.

  10. All this reminds me of the preschool my son attended back in the 90’s (my wife was good friends with one teacher, and it was very convenient to her office).

    Anyway, they had a strict “no guns” policy–for the kids. No toy guns, no lego guns, no gun play. As if the prohibition of the idea of guns would make for a better fantasy world.

    Of course the kids (boys) still indulged in gun play, with anything they could imagine was gun-shaped. When questioned by authority about all the chasing and bang-bang noises, they learned to say “Its not a gun, its a camera”.

  11. If you happen to be in the crowd that is worried about “do it yourself” firearms, 3-D printed weapons should be the least of your worries. The Liberator is a single shot piece of garbage. The thing all your gun phobes should be interested in is the 80% market that is currently booming. In case you’ve been too busy to notice, 80% weapons are, in the case of pistols, the frame. It comes as a partially milled piece of aluminum. The kit you buy includes a jig to help you correctly drill holes and remove the necessary bits of metal. Many of the kits also include all the other components necessary to assemble a QUALITY working firearm along with tools, detailed instructions and a reference to a Youtube video. In the case of the dreaded AR-15, the unfinished part is the lower receiver which is the only part of the gun regulated by law. For 80% weapons there is no compromise on quality. When assembled, you have a weapon without a serial number or background check that is practically untraceable. OMG! What shall we do?

    1. One correction: In the case of pistols, the frame is usually plastic as with Glocks and a host of other name brand guns.

  12. Eugene Volokh wrote a pretty good piece here in Reason (August 2nd) discussing whether or not 3D gun code is “speech” or “hardware” or something in between. That may bear on Josh Blackman and Alan Gura’s court battles. But aside from that nuance, its not obvious to me how a state AG can get a Federal judge to block something that is perfectly legal in most parts of the United States. Legal by Federal law (see the link to the ATF page in the article above) and legal in many states. What’s next, the AG of California banning a hate speech blog in New Mexico?

    The TRO may make sense to hoplophobes fighting gun ownership since they are willing to wipe their bottoms with both the First and Second Amendments as a means to their end. Not to mention, to use the issue as a bit of political agit-prop for the fall elections. As far as prior restraint, all I ask of Mr. Greywal and his fellow AGs is this: how many gun crimes are committed in the USA every year using 3D guns, code for which has been out for years vs. with easily obtained commercially-machined ones that work far better than plastic prototypes?

    In the long run, home made guns may be a legitimate concern from the standpoint of evading the law. Especially if 3D printing using tougher composites and metals becomes affordable. Thus, there is time for thoughtful design of how to deal with this emerging technology. Meanwhile, the current panic is entirely manufactured.

  13. Inn the 1990’s the State Dept tried to ban the use of encryption claiming it was a “munition.” A coder named Phil Zimmerman had written an encryption program called PGP or Pretty Good Privacy. Zimmerman made it freely available and released the source code so users could assure themselves there were no back doors. With a strong passphrase PGP is virtually uncrackable.

  14. Not obvious why New Jersey should be able to stop a Texas outfit from putting stuff on the Internet. If Grewal wants to prevent New Jersey people from seeing the plans perhaps he should put up a New Jersey firewall the way China puts up a China firewall.

  15. This is the new world order happening… Look for yourself http://rurl.us/Bhpoi

  16. Some of you guys who know more about this issue really answered some questions I had about it like why in the world would you want a plastic printed gun? (You wouldn’t)

    Also can’t you just make a decent one if you know about machining and all that? (You can, personally I can’t construct anything more complex than a sandwich).

    What is the point if you can just walk into Gander Mountain and buy a great commercial one on your lunch hour? ( it is just a point being made in case the government gets ideas about taking that away).

    What is the big deal here? Just more political background noise.

    Thanks for clearing some of that up for me.

  17. Ah, Luty’s old SMG website. There are two more gun designers I’m aware of that designed or released guns for home defence: Bill Holmes, and G?rard M?tral. Many of those designs are SMGs, one is a .50BMG, and Holmes also has a bolt-action rifle-building guide.

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