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Vegan-Milk Attack at FDA Gets Go-Ahead From Senate: Reason Roundup

Plus: "a remarkable and unusual temporary restraining order" against Google

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Attempt to rein in milk madness fails. Can consumers tell the difference between dairy milk and its vegan alternatives, such as almond milk, cashew milk, and hemp milk? Consumers haven't been complaining: Sales of soy, seed, and nut milks have grown tremendously this decade. But this trend has the dairy industry worried, and it has gone crying to the government for help. Now senators and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are backing a ban on calling non-dairy beverages milk. They even want to stop businesses from using the term to describe animal milk that doesn't come from cows.

Democrats from Wisconsin first introduced the idea last year, with the so-called DAIRY PRIDE Act. This summer, FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb took up the cause.

Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Cory Booker (D–N.J.) tried to stop the nut-milk madness this week. They introduced an amendment to an appropriations bill that would have prohibited "the use of funds to enforce standards of identity with respect to certain food."

"No one buys almond milk under the false illusion that it came from a cow," Lee said on the Senate floor Wednesday. "They buy almond milk because it didn't come from a cow."

Lee mentioned Hampton Creek, the company behind vegan mayonnaise Just Mayo. It "was one of hundreds of increasingly popular alternative foods developed in recent decades, marketed to vegetarians, vegans, and people with food allergies or other health concerns," he said Lee. But then,

as soon as Just Mayo started to win confidence, it started to attract the attention of top executives in the egg industry. Unfortunately, their intent was not to improve quality or reduce prices. It was, instead, to enlist the government in a pattern that would chill competition.

That pressure from the American Egg Board did indeed lead the FDA to go after Hampton Creek, but the product was eventually able to keep its name with some labeling concessions. "Under a 1938 Federal law," Lee explained, the FDA has set "rules defining what does and does not qualify as a particular food product" and "anything calling its 'mayonnaise' has to have eggs in it."

The new FDA rule "would ban the use of the term 'milk' for nondairy products" because "the FDA says milk is 'lacteal secretion…obtained by the complete milking of one or more healthy cows,' and nothing else," said Lee.

Whatever their original value, these labeling requirements are outdated and they are unnecessary. The amendment I am offering would protect consumers from these 'standards of identity' requirements, and they would protect them from this kind of abuse….The role of government in the market is to protect competition, not any one competitor.

The Lee-Booker amendment would have stopped federal funds from being used to enforce "rules against products simply because of their use of a common compound name—such as where a word or phrase identifies an alternative plant or animal source," said Lee "In other words, it would protect products like 'almond milk,' 'goat cheese,' and 'gluten-free bread' from accusations of being illegally labeled."

The amendment was voted down 84–14. The 14 dissidents included three Democrats and nine Republicans, including 2016 presidential hopefuls Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Marco Rubio.

"Must all language be literal?" asks Jibran Khan at National Review:

The FDA's new stance would seem to suggest so. The pulpy juice of coconut has been called "coconut milk" for generations, because of its appearance. Peanut "butter" does not come from miniature cows. Gold and silver "leaf"—used for decoration in some teas, liquors, and desserts across the world—is not made of leaves at all, but from thinly hammered foils of those metals. People buy and use these items, and have for centuries, while fully understanding what it is they're dealing with. Likewise, I don't know of any case in which a customer has purchased soy or almond milk and then been outraged to discover it is not cow's milk.

Wisconsin Democrat Tammy Baldwin does not agree. Speaking Wednesday, the senator called Lee's amendment "an attack on dairy farmers across the country and in my home state of Wisconsin." Taking federal action against non-dairy milk, she insisted, "ensures that when a consumer buys a dairy product, it will perform in recipes as expected."

FREE MINDS

Euro-style "right to be forgotten" coming quietly to America? In Hudson County, New Jersey, "Presiding Judge Jeffrey Jablonski has issued a remarkable and unusual temporary restraining order," writes The Volokh Conspiracy's Eugene Volokh. The judge says Google must "de-index [an] 'explicit' post-assault image from searches of 'Greg' and 'Gregory Malandrucco' and/or 'Malandrucco" and stop permitting "the display of the subject image":

The court papers make clear that the order is targeted largely at a Chicago Tribune blog post by columnist Eric Zorn about a police assault on Malandrucco and his friend Matthew Clark; the column contains photos of the two men with injuries to their faces. (The order was issued July 6, but I found it, with the help of the invaluable Lumen Database, only a few days ago, and just got the court documents; the order has apparently not been written about anywhere else.) Google has apparently not complied, and Malandrucco has asked Judge Jablonski to hold Google in contempt of court; the hearing on that will be held Aug. 17. Indeed, the request for the contempt sanctions, filed July 25, seems to have been accelerated by a remark by the judge at a hearing on July 24: "The concern that the court has is that there is not compliance with the [July 6] order."

Read the whole thing here.

FREE MARKETS

Trillion-dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. The economy might be growing, but "corporate tax receipts are down for the year, while government spending is up," notes NPR:

Even with a fast-growing economy, the Treasury Department expects to borrow more than $750 billion to pay its bills during the last six months of this year. "The federal budget deficit is ballooning, skyrocketing, soaring, whichever way you want to describe it," said longtime fiscal watchdog Stan Collender, who blogs about federal finances as "The Budget Guy."

"You've got a kind of perfect storm here," Collender said. "You've got more spending. You've got less revenue. And the deficit is just getting bigger and bigger, to the point where it will be at least a trillion dollars every year during the Trump administration and beyond."

QUICK HITS

• Immigration and Customs Enforcement has said it will not detain pregnant women in their third trimester "absent extraordinary circumstances." But "the agency appears to be violating that policy, over and over again," reports The Daily Beast.

• The unemployment rate is down to 3.9 percent.

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267 responses to “Vegan-Milk Attack at FDA Gets Go-Ahead From Senate: Reason Roundup

  1. It Is the Sacred Duty of All Conservatives to Own the Libs
    But owning the libs is more than just delightful. It is absolutely necessary. Why? Morale ? that intangible factor, combined with fearless leadership, that means the difference between total defeat and unexpected, legendary victory: Little Round Top, Rourke’s Drift, and yeah, the upcoming midterms.

    Owning the libs is a rejection of their dominance and an assertion of our own. It is a way of not only saying, “We will not submit,” but of demonstrating that refusal to others. There is a reason the motto of the infantry is “Follow me,” and not “Uh, you guys go on ahead.”

    People are not led to triumph by cowards, by wimps, or by submissive weasels who take heaps of garbage and then explain away their refusal to hit back by sobbing, “We’re better than that!”

    People are not better than that. They want to fight back, but for that they must have morale, and morale requires that they need to see others fight back too. And when they don’t, morale collapses, there is a rout, and the bad guys win.

    1. Hello.

      Yeh but….did the cops get home safely to their families? That dude on his tractor looked menacing.

    2. Okay. So it’s also the sacred duty of all libertarians to own statist assholes like the ones who write for Townhall.

      1. Good luck. Go after him on Twitter. I’d love to watch.

      2. Aren’t you busy harassing Julie Borowski?

        1. She better leave Julie alone. Julie is adorable.

    3. the bad guys win

      The whole problem here is framing the discussion in terms of “good guys” and “bad guys”. There are no “good guys” or “bad guys” in the context of ordinary political discourse. There are only good ideas and bad ideas. If a liberal comes up with a good idea, like criminal justice reform, everyone else ought to listen. Likewise if a conservative comes up with a bad idea, like tariffs or banning flag burning, everyone else ought to reject those ideas. It’s not about tribe or identity. It is about ideas.

      1. As long as we can be open minded about racism like the NYT, what can go wrong?

      2. Excellent explanation, chemjeff radical individualist …if only the “polarizers” would stop screaming and listen!

      3. Communism isn’t evil… nope… nu uh!

        You’re part of the problem.

        1. That would fall under a “bad idea” and should be ignored when expounded by “good guys” as well as bad.

      4. Those who believe in collective positive rights will come for you and remove your individual negative rights, sooner or later. Every time.

      5. Tariffs are not just a “bad idea”. They are theft. Someone who imposes them, and illegally to boot, deserve to be treated as a bad guy.

        1. Yup china and the EU are bad guys.

    4. #Resist

    5. Who needs libs when we have Trump to restrict trade and travel, boost the national debt, destroy the separation of powers, or ignore (or foster) foreign state attacks on our democracy?

      1. MAGA

  2. to the point where it will be at least a trillion dollars every year during the Trump administration and beyond.”

    you’d rather be owed a trillion dollar than owe a trillion dollars, right? i will accept no explanations about how i’m misunderstanding things.

  3. First they came for the milk and I did not speak out — because I don’t lactate.

      1. Milk is alt-center.

        Soy ‘milk’ and Almond ‘milk’ are alt-left.

        1. Raw milk is Libertarian AF.

          1. The Elian Gonzales Raw Milk parody from Peter Bagge is one of my favorite covers.

        2. FWIW, the “proper” snark term is “ctrl-left”.

      2. I have nipples, Just Sayn. Can you milk me?

        1. Need pics

          1. Scroll down just a tiny tad in this link, and here is your pic that you need…

            http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0310/S00003.htm

        2. Don’t do it! Those aren’t nipples.

        3. Let’s just call “alternate milk” by the NEW name of “mulk” and be done with it! Or maybe “mylk” or “millk”…

          1. Man-milk?

            1. Milk the milkman and you get man-milk? HOW does that WORK?!?

              1. Its not nice to milk-and-tell.

      3. It tastes pretty alt-right to me!

    1. Why do they specify that the cow has to be *completely* milked?

      Seems like that would be a private matter between the farmer and the cow.

      1. You have to remember that these are Government Almighty folks that you’re dealing with!

        Their favorite fantasy (and ultimate goal) is to *completely* milk the taxpayers! Since they seemingly can’t quite get there yet, they can at least mandate it between farmer and cows!

  4. Attempt to reign in milk madness fails

    NUTS!

    1. I have been waiting 74 years to say that!

      1. Ever since you were 15?

      2. Since December of ’44 I’d guess.

        To the U.S.A. Commander of the encircled town of Bastogne…

        1. ^ This guy gets my jokes.

  5. Can consumers tell the difference between dairy milk and its vegan alternatives, such as almond milk, cashew milk, and hemp milk?

    Honestly, I would question your ability to taste anything if you cant tell the difference between milk and those alternatives. Liking them all, sure, go ahead.

    1. THANKS FOR YOUR PERMISSION.

    2. … and yet, I’m guessing that the wretch-inducing foulness that is Carnation Powdered “milk” will still be able to be called “milk”.

    3. There’s a long list of things I have bought, thinking they were something else. Soy milk is not one of them. I have, however, accidentally bought skim milk (ugh) when I meant to buy whole. Maybe we should demand clearer labeling of dairy milk.

  6. Stephen Miller found a bunch of pretty vicious, she seems to have no other kind, Sarah Joeng Tweets about her new Times co-workers Tom Friedman and David Brooks. I think that means one of two things; either the editorial meetings and Christmas Party are going to be wicked awkward or we now know why the Times didn’t fire Joeng; she is Brooks and Friedman’s dominatrix.

    1. “Racism requires a power differential, like sitting on the editorial board of the New York Times”

      1. I love it that she lives in Portland and went to Berkely and Harvard. These clowns always seem to be living breathing cliches.

        1. I would be curious if Sarah Joeng’s parents are aghast at her actions and whether they are Lefties too.

          I have this feeling like she is so far out there that her parents might be kind of conservative.

          1. Her parents immigrated from Korea when she was 13. My guess is they are pretty conservative and worked their asses off to send their daughter to Berkeley and later Harvard only to have it poison her mind and turn her into a nasty shrew. They probably had dreams of having grandchildren. I am going to go out on a limb here and say their daughter isn’t quite the prize bride they had hoped she would be.

            1. “Son’t stick your dick in psychotic evil” is a less well known, but still important rule.

              1. What do you want to bet there have been and likely are white guys who have or want to date her? How fucked up is that?

                1. Stockholm syndrome?

                2. You can find a guy interested in any girl, even the shrewest frigid witch.

                  OTOH, my guess is she got pumped and dumped a few times more than her internal princess would have expected.

                  1. You are probably right Marcu Auerlius. She looks a bit thick for an Asian chick and Korean women are generally the less attractive than Chinese and Japanese women. I am sure she thinks of herself as a princess and is pretty bitter about the rest of the world not agreeing with her.

    2. Brooks looks like he relishes being a cuck.

      1. No matter how much the white people who work the Times lie to themselves, they still know what Joeng actually thinks of them and how much she hates them. Yet, they also know they can never say the truth. It must be horrible being a Prog.

        1. INT. Boardroom.

          Joeng: Fucking stupid white people and their objective fact. Fuck this shit. I hope whypippo die from a black plague. Motherfucken bunch of diseased fucks.

          Brooks and staff mouths drop.

          Joeng: Oops. Did I just say that out loud? (giggles).

          Brooks: We thought you were smartly using satire to mock your harassers!

          Joeng: You white people are dummer than I thought. Maybe it’s all that fake Mayo you eat.

          1. Brooks and Friedman aren’t on the editorial board.

            And it’s “Jeong.”

            1. But they are the two best known and likely highest paid writers on the editorial page. I find it hard to believe they won’t have to interact with Jeong in some significant way.

              1. They’re op-ed writers. That’s the opposite of being on the editorial board.

                Literally.

            2. Cathy,

              Are you purposely this daft and someone who looks for trouble? It’s like your autistic or something.

              I know that I just misspelled it. Big fucken tickle. I didn’t realize your the ‘editor at large of the AM links’.

              Who gives a shit? IT WAS HUMOR. You’re waaaayyy too wound up tight.

              Now go make a real point or move along honey.

              Love,

              Rufus.

              PS: Your shtick is tiresome. Literally.

              1. It’s just that you’re not funny, because you’re retarded.

                1. Lol.

                  Like I give a shit what you think.

                  Look at the little bully trying to be cool and edgy.

                  /flicks ears.

                2. I don’t know why you pick on Rufus. He’s like the second nicest person here (no one is nicer than BUCS)

                  1. Rufus is the nicest guy on here.

                    1. Rufus is very aggressive for a Canadian though.

                  2. Aw guys. Shucks.

                    I don’t see her as picking on me.

                    She’s ‘Fredo.

      2. I like when the PBS News Hour does their Brooks and Shields debate. It should be titled: “Watch these two guys who hold milquetoast positions on nearly every topic agree with each other about nearly everything, but for different reasons”

        I’ll say this- at least Brooks and Shields actually talk about issues rather than just raging and throwing ad hominems, which seems to be the preferred style of debate in America today

        1. just raging and throwing ad hominems, which seems to be the preferred style of debate in America today

          HyR, por exemplo.

          1. I don’t speak Mexican

        2. The real way to discuss things with people now is to throw them to the ground and then be surprised and offended when they defend themselves!

          1. Everyone with a bad idea should just be shot because they fucking deserve it.

            1. It worked for Stalin.

              1. It worked for Stalin.

                And by golly it will work for Americans too.

                1. “And by golly it will work for Americans too.”

                  King George wasn’t too pleased with how well it worked out.

          2. But on the plus side you don’t stay offended for very long.

    3. The mental image I now have of those two milksops being beat by Mistress Pearl is priceless.

      1. She will ‘hate you long time’.

    4. Do you have a link to that by the way, John?

      1. Your wish is my command Rufus

        http://twitter.com/redsteeze/s…..9574433798

        1. Wouldn’t surprise me if Friedman spun this into a positive in his usual boring, drivel way.

          http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/about.php

          1. Friedman is the worst prose writer on earth. Do the people at the Times not realize that or is it just some kind of cruel joke they pull on their readers?

            1. So you don’t want milquetoast writers, but you cry about provocative tweets. Make up your mind!

              The NYT didn’t go safe. People can choose to rend garments. The board was obviously okay with her and aren’t pretending to be idiots. Her coworkers at the Verve wholeheartedly support her, and they’re not pretending to be idiots.

              Lots of people are pretending to be idiots though,.

              1. Writing bad prose has nothing to do with being provocative. You can be any way you like and still write good prose.

                And yes, the Board at the Times are okay with anti-white racism. That is abundantly clear. They did more to normalize racism in one hiring action than the Alt-Right has done during its entire existence. I hope they are proud.

                1. Yes, to those reading in bad faith. They’re not trying to convince you, because you have motivated reasoning.

                  The NY Times are counting on people being able to take an obvious fucking joke. Anti-white racism isn’t even a thing. If it exists, it is on the fringes, because if you hadn’t noticed, the country is fucking run by white people.

                  1. A lot of racists excuses in that comment.

                    Dont you lefties call people who make excuses for racists- bigots?

  7. Now senators and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are backing a ban on calling non-dairy beverages milk.

    WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO PRONOUNCE IT “MELK”

    Let’s focus on the real problem here.

    1. Agreed. Even libertarians can agree they deserve the death penalty.

    2. I hope you have enough illegal immigrant workers to replace all the Midwestern dairy farmers after your anti-melk cleansing

    3. Let’s focus on the real problem here.

      You mean whether you have to show ID or not to purchase it?

      1. There is a waiting period for Melk, so of course you have to show ID to get on that list.

        Probably cannot have hi-capacity Melk containers either.

  8. This is what they want: anyone who wants in gets a full trial and a lawyer, and is ‘innocent’ (i.e. allowed in) unless the government proves to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt they should be kept out. Any deviation from that is a criminal act and anyone enforcing current immigration law should be jailed. This guy is honest enough to admit it. Reason isn’t.

    Arrest ICE
    But Stevenson understood the 14th Amendment: “? nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” He recognized that due process and equal protection were the sacred right of “any person” within his jurisdiction.

    The adjective we use for this now ? for jurisdictions committed to actually upholding the lawful rights guaranteed by the 14th Amendment ? is “sanctuary.” That’s the term we use for those jurisdictions who recognize that due process and equal protections accord to persons ? not merely to citizens, or to Herrenvolk.

    1. This high opinion of public education comes and goes as needed. It is awesome for immigrants, AND it is a failure that spends more time on left wing indoctrination than it does on literacy.

      Open Borders Are Not Libertarian So Long As America Is A Welfare State
      Slightly over one-fourth of the children in the United States are now either immigrants or the children of immigrants. Since the total expenditures on public schooling in the U.S. is almost $700 billion per year, this cost is far greater than the GDP gains cited by Dalmia, and greater than the $50 billion she cites for “The Wall.” It’s also greater than the annual $104 billion for food stamps, the $46 billion for Section 8 housing programs, or the $30 billion for Aid to Families with Dependent Children for all residents, citizen or non-citizen.

      Immigrants also use other social services, but public education for all children residing in the United States is mandatory. In nineteenth-century America, supposedly with the open borders policies libertarians favor, immigrant children were not legally excluded from the labor market or mandated a public education.

      1. The Cato Institute regularly publishes on the welfare costs of immigrants, but in this area its studies seem deeply flawed, claiming that immigrants use fewer social services than do native-born Americans, a claim made by excluding public education from the accounting. One Cato analyst, Daniel Griswold, makes a hand-waving argument that educating immigrant children is acceptable, since it pays for itself in their future productivity.

        1. claiming that immigrants use fewer social services than do native-born Americans, a claim made by excluding public education from the accounting.

          Are you claiming natives don’t use public schools? Wouldn’t those costs just offset on average?

          The fact remains that this argument against immigration just highlights that the welfare state should be eliminated. It’s akin to saying that we should limit rights based on the possibility of undesirable outcomes. You know… the argument that the left wrongly uses regarding guns.

          1. If immigrants skew younger than citizens, then more utilization of public schools is totally possible.

            1. Likewise if immigrants tend to have more children than native families.

        2. “…since it pays for itself in their future productivity…”

          Utilitarian arguments are the mark of the ‘true’ libertarian.


        3. One Cato analyst, Daniel Griswold, makes a hand-waving argument that educating immigrant children is acceptable, since it pays for itself in their future productivity.

          Well, that’s pretty much a bald faced lie since it doesn’t even do that for citizens.

      2. Slightly over one-fourth of the children in the United States are now either immigrants or the children of immigrants. Since the total expenditures on public schooling in the U.S. is almost $700 billion per year, this cost is far greater than the GDP gains cited by Dalmia, and greater than the $50 billion she cites for “The Wall.”

        Okay, let’s talk about how having children at all isn’t libertarian until welfare is dismantled. Because it sounds like natives are 3/4 of the problem.

        1. Cathy, abolish ICE, jail anyone enforcing current immigration law, and require a full trial before saying someone cannot come here otherwise they get in – yes or no?

          1. No. I don’t think even ICE officers should be in cages.

            1. Answer the rest Cathy. Be honest.

              require a full trial before saying someone cannot come here otherwise they get in – yes or no?

              Full trial, jury, govt provided lawyer, etc. Same rights as if you personally were accused of murder or something. Yes or no? Put up or shut up.

              1. What would they be “on trial” for? If you’re asking if I think there should be a presumption that anyone can enter, then yes.

                1. So anyone can enter unless they get a full hearing that is legally (and financially) equivalent to a criminal trial that results in a jury saying ‘no’? Presumption of them being allowed in? They are free to move about while awaiting said trial because detaining them beforehand violates their rights?

                  1. legally (and financially) equivalent to a criminal trial that results in a jury saying ‘no’

                    Well, no, I didn’t say that, I asked you what the “trial” would be for. Since trials are usually procedures to determine guilt of a crime.

                    Want to tell us what you propose doing about children of US natives? Are they all allowed to come in without a trial? Should all pregnancies presumptively end in abortions?

                    1. Cathy, you are deliberately missing the point of the question because you know how much credibility you will lose if you answer it. I said a hearing that would be as time and $$ consuming as a trial, not an actual criminal trial. Let anyone in unless you can convince a jury to keep them out? Yes or no?

                      Want to tell us what you propose doing about children of US natives? Are they all allowed to come in without a trial? Should all pregnancies presumptively end in abortions?

                      Citizens have legal rights non-citizens lack, so I would do nothing about either of your examples.

          2. abolish ICE

            Yes

            jail anyone enforcing current immigration law

            No

            and require a full trial before saying someone cannot come here otherwise they get in

            No. Why should there be a full trial for anyone exercising their liberty?

            1. You missed “otherwise they get in”.

              1. You missed “exercising their liberty:

                1. Congrats on virtue signaling so hard that you’ve made yourself politically irrelevant. No country ever has or ever will implemented “if Mexico goes full Venezuela, all 30 million who want to flee can come here no questions asked, even if that’s 10% of the current US population”.

                  We bow before your superior purity. Now shut up while the rest of us discuss things that may or may not actually pass in the real world.

                  1. Now shut up while the rest of us discuss things that may or may not actually pass in the real world.

                    You mean like libertarian things? And you laugh at someone else for being politically irrelevant?

        2. Or how about “let’s create a police state to regulate all the private decisions of all people so long as there exists a welfare state; that’s totally libertarian!”

          1. You seem to be OK with PP doing that.

        3. “Children of immigrants”. Also known as US citizens.

          1. No. Known as children of immigrants.

    2. Okay, Johnny. Why don’t you tell us what you envision your preferred state of affairs is with regards to immigration?

      I presume you want no illegal immigration. Do you want legal immigration?

      Most importantly, how will you protect the rights of citizens and non-citizens alike, particularly with regards to the Fourth Amendment, in your zeal to deport illegal humans?

      1. Jeffy, why don’t you tell us your plans for dismantling the welfare state?

      2. Shut down legal immigration for a generation. If you catch someone doing something else wrong and they turn out to be here illegally, kick them out and keep them out.

        Anyone caught trying to get others around immigration law will face criminal charges. I don’t want CA libs getting illegals who shouldn’t be allowed to vote to either vote or be counted as residents to let their votes count more than mine.

        Should illegals count as residents for Congressional redistricting?

        1. I am fine with an assimilation period of 10-20 years.

  9. Lee mentioned Hamptom Creek, the company behind vegan mayonnaise Just Mayo.

    This comparison is pretty poor because there had never before been a widely-known alternative version of “eggless mayonnaise” until that product came around. Sure it can call itself “mayonnaise” but it ain’t. But ss the article says, there have long been many different kinds of “milks”.

    1. Mayonnaise is oil emulsified using eggs. Eggless mayonnaise is an oxymoron.

      If vegans are so put off by consuming animal products why do they insist on keeping the names?

      1. “Nasty Paste” didn’t test well with focus groups.

      2. The idea is to show shoppers what the products can be used to replace.

        Personally I think this practice often invites unfavorable comparisons. Grandma Bonnie’s Allergy-Ease Veggie Burgers, as made by my senior-partner-in-blogging, are pretty good if either fresh-baked or baked in a real oven and lightly salted, but hamburgers they’re not. She tried making them smaller and rebranding them as Gluten-Free Gems…which suggested holiday cookies.

        But do people actually buy products with names like “Vegetable Patties”?

  10. Trillion-dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. The economy might be growing, but “corporate tax receipts are down for the year, while government spending is up,” notes NPR:

    Another reason that NPR should have their funding cut to $0. The corporate tax rate went down, effective 2018.

  11. The unemployment right is down to 3.9 percent.

    Reason should do their part and hire a few editors.

    1. +1 missing comma.

    2. Hopefully Libertarian ones. Reason staff is short on pro-Libertarianism.

    3. I know there’s a TDS hook in there somewhere.

      1. Same hook as there was for the last eight years: the unemployment number is a skewed nonsense barometer of economic health

        1. Labfor and emratio. Former has ticked up very slightly. Latter is improving a little more as the millennials start to grow up just a little.

    4. “Unemployment right”

      Is that the new nickname the left is workshopping for Republicans once the twitter mob gets them all fired?

  12. “No one buys almond milk under the false illusion that it came from a cow,”

    LeMond milk, however, will make you a better cyclist.

    1. LeMond milk.

      It only has one nut in it!

  13. The Progs want CA to be part of China.

    Details Surface About Chinese Spy Who Worked For Sen. Feinstein
    SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX 5) ? New details emerged Wednesday about how a mole for the government of communist China managed to stay by Senator Dianne Feinstein’s side for nearly 20 years.

    It happened five years ago, but additional information is just surfacing about how the Bay Area senator’s office was infiltrated by a Chinese spy.

    The Bay Area is a hotbed for Russian and Chinese espionage. Late last year, the feds shut down the Russian consulate in San Francisco.

    You may remember the thick black smoke that billowing from building before Russian diplomats turned it over to authorities, presumably produced by burning documents.

    Now, all eyes are on Chinese intelligence in the Bay Area after the website Politico reported last week that a staffer for Senator Feinstein turned out to be a Chinese spy who reported back to the government officials about local politics.

    1. If California ever becomes an independent country, they will get their wish within a decade.

      1. Come on John, what’s one teeny little Chinese naval base in SF to you? The People’s Republic of CA won’t pay for a military, and China will helpfully offer theirs to crack American heads and enforce progressive will. Win-win.

        1. Hey, let’s start a country that sits on valuable real estate, will have no military, and be in debt up to its eyeballs to China. Come on Johnny, what could possibly go wrong?

      2. Hrm. That’s an unpleasant prospect to a peaceful departure I hadn’t considered.

        And of course, if we let CA go, and then they did something stupid like that, we’d be basically required by any sort of sane military doctrine to go take it back over again.

        This seems like an all around lose.

        1. Think about it. China would wet themselves at having a military presence in North America. An independent California would have no military and be massively in debt. Meanwhile, the richest and most important people there would be tech companies all looking to make a buck of the Chinese market. The Chinese would own the California government in short order.

          1. In the real world, we have plenty of military bases, lots of Californians are military members, our budget has a surplus. We would run a trade surplus with the other 49 states. We’ve got food, oil, industrial capacity, refineries, pharmaceuticals.

            1. In the real world, we have plenty of military bases, lots of Californians are military members

              All of those bases belong to the US. And the people who serve on them would likely choose to remain in the US military. Moreover, even if they didn’t, they would have then be funded by California. The California government is really going to be big on defense spending. LOLOLOL

              We would run a trade surplus with the other 49 states. We’ve got food, oil, industrial capacity, refineries, pharmaceuticals.

              Yes and these will come in handy to your new Chinese overlords.

              1. Without what Californians send to the federal government for the police the world military and subsidizing the Southern states, there would be plenty of money for a defensive military.

                If California seceded, the US would have to either remove their soldiers or sign a treaty for the bases, which would include mutual defense. Otherwise, get the fuck out of our country. That’s how these things work. If California becomes sovereign, we get to choose what to do within our borders.

                I have no doubt a significant amount of the military would love a chance to serve a military devoted to protecting the state rather than being sent to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Niger, Yemen, etc. That’s the last thing we’d need to worry about.

            2. California does not have a surplus.

              That extra tax revenue is already too short to cover Trillions in underfunded pension liabilities.

        2. That depends on what we do with the natives when we take it back.

    2. I saw that a week ago. Not a peep from national talking heads.

      Feinstein has served on many committees and she has a Top Secret clearance. Shes on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

      Not a fucking peep.

      1. AWAN FUNNELING ‘MASSIVE’ DATA OFF CONGRESSIONAL SERVER, DEMS CLAIM IT’S CHILD’S HOMEWORK
        Democratic congressional aides made unauthorized access to a House server 5,400 times and funneled “massive” amounts of data off of it. But there’s nothing to see here, Democrats told The Washington Post: They were just storing and then re-downloading homework assignments for Imran Awan’s elementary-school aged kids and family pictures.

        A congressional source with direct knowledge of the incident contradicted the Post’s account, saying that now-indicted IT aide Imran Awan and his associates “were moving terabytes off-site so they could quote ‘work on the files'” and that they desperately tried to hide what was on the server when caught, providing police with what law enforcement immediately recognized as falsified evidence and an indication of criminal intent.

        1. If the FBI does not investigate this with a fine tooth comb, that agency is clearly 100% political and they all be fired.

          1. It was already investigated. It was bullshit.

            1. A spy in a Congresswoman’s staff is BS?

              I am sure you dont think Russian spies messing with election 2016 is a big deal either.

      2. He reported about local politics.

        He was her driver. He had no access to any classified materials.

        1. Feinstein never talks about classified information in her vehicle.

          Why would a Chinese spy care about local San Francisco or California politics?

          The media will never answer that one.

        2. The media lies. They lie to cover for Lefties and that is what they are doing here.

          Only this time nobody is buying.

  14. http://www.twitter.com/michaelmalice/…..4417334274

    Welch v Woods on Malice’s podcast “Your Welcome”

    Best comment: “How could you do this without @nickgillespie there to talk over everyone?”

  15. 3.9%, eh?

    Well, that’s because Obama was a super-duper economic-business zen master. Trump is just benefitting from it.

    1. The Lefties never give a firm time frame of when past president’s super-duper business-economic genius ends and the new president’s economy tweeks take effect.

      1. The impact of a President on the economy is largely overblown by both sides. There’s nothing more libertarian than the idea of a President “creating” jobs.

        1. Destroying them on the other hand…

        2. That my jokey point and I concur with ya.

          I think its easier to blame/reward a single person as President than blame/reward a bunch of Congressmen who left business alone or strangled business.

  16. They even want to stop businesses from using the term to describe animal milk that doesn’t come from cows.

    Can’t wait for them to take on La Leche League.

    1. Forcing proper labeling of milk is terrible. Why can’t they just stick to forcing pro-life pregnancy centers to advertise for abortion clinics?

      1. Do you honestly think “proper labeling” would involve not calling goat milk “milk”?

        1. I oppose proper labeling of milk. And goat milk is underappreciated (not as much as goat cheese is underappreciated, though)

          1. Okay, that is just wrong. Motherfuckers love goat cheese, which is disgusting.

            1. Ha, I out cosmopolitan’d you

        2. Do you honestly think goat milk is not a dairy product?

          Buffalo mozzarella?

          1. Buffalo milk was my nickname at the girl scout cookie sale

      2. This whole milk thing is spoiling my breakfast of cereal.

    2. I know, right?

      I could see a reasonable case to be made for limiting the definition of “milk” to “the mammary secretions of mammals”, but dialing it down to just “cows” is far too specific.

      To take an “originalist” stance on things, if early English speakers had considered them different substances, we’d have different words for them, like we do for “beef”, “pork”, “mutton”, and so on for the generic “meat” of different animals.

      1. “Now senators and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are backing a ban on calling non-dairy beverages milk.”

        What Sen. Lee says the law says is ‘dairy and what the law actually says is ‘dairy’ may not be entirely the same.

        1. Current Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulations define dairy products as being from dairy animals.

          The proposed law would not change this definition.

  17. What the hell, Florida arrested a farmer for labeling skim milk as skim milk.
    Turns out in Florida if you do not add vitamins to skim milk, it cannot be labeled as skim milk.
    The farmer was just skimming the fat off the milk, and calling it what it was, skim milk. Got the bureaucrats all in a twist.

    But (expensive) justice prevailed in the end.
    In March 2016, the Northern District of Florida ruled in favor of the state, and an appeal was filed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit.
    And at the Eleventh Circuit, Mary Lou won. The panel of federal appellate judges unanimously ruled in her favor on March 20, 2017. The panel held that the First Amendment protects Mary Lou’s right to honestly label her skim milk as skim milk, regardless of whatever definition the government has created.
    Details: https://ij.org/case/florida-skim-milk/

    1. She wasn’t arrested.

  18. Kamala Harris: Russia attacked our country during the 2016 election and it’s clear they are continuing to attack us today. These attacks not only harm one of our most sacred democratic values, which is a free and fair election, but also our American identity. It must be taken seriously.

    I’m absolutely loving this aggressive talk from Democrats about Russia. The 2016 hacking of our election must be understood in relation to other acts of war against the United States, like Pearl Harbor and 9 / 11. We didn’t just forgive and forget when hostile foreign powers attacked us in the past. Why should we start now?

    All patriotic Americans must vote Democrat so we can have a government willing to confront Russia ? with military force, if necessary. Throw the treasonous, Kremlin-compromised GOP out of office at all levels.

    #LibertariansForHarris
    #TrumpRussia

      1. There’s nothing funny about an illegitimate election that installs a white nationalist Kremlin asset.

        1. That’s two funnies in a row.

        2. It’s a little bit funny

    1. Do Cohen will flip next.

    2. So, if “fair” elections are a good thing, why is having to show ID to vote a bad thing?

      I’m even willing to concede that as a function of government, voting is important enough to spend money on, so I could see allocating tax dollars to provide voting IDs (really, a regular fucking ID) to anyone who doesn’t already have one who shows up and can demonstrate that they are who they say they are.

      1. Or just waive the $6 fee at your local DMV.

      2. Because there has never been a case shown to justify the requirement in any court case.
        There have been identifiable harms, of valid voters who are unable to vote.
        There has been documented evidence that the laws were passed with specific discriminatory effect.

        Why can’t we have literacy tests? Should illiterate people be able to vote? They don’t even know what they’re voting for!

        1. You’re lying Chananadler.

          Here’s almost 100 in Texas alone.
          Voter fraud

    3. I can’t wait to see Moobs get all tuffgai. That will be epic.

  19. Attempt to reign in milk madness fails

    Well, I don’t know that it would be madness, but certainly strange to declare yourself ruler of a territory whilst submerged in a milk can. Such behavior should be reined in. You know, like the way you control a horse by its reins.

    1. Make it rein

      1. Milk Reign O’er Me

        1. +1 Roger Daltry primal scream

    2. It’s a shame Reason doesn’t have enough editors to catch misspellings and errors of fact. Where is the senior associate(2nd class) editor between ENB and the publish command?

      1. Probably working from behind

  20. I don’t actually object to having standards and definitions that prevent people from selling “fake milk.” So long as it is in the context of people selling cheap, cloudy water that is intended to defraud.

    But these alternative products are clearly marked and they aren’t cheaper than cow milk.

    1. +1 Hilton Milk

  21. “ensures that when a consumer buys a dairy product, it will perform in recipes as expected.”

    If only there were some magical way to ask millions of people about their experience prior to trying it yourself.

    1. I just want to know about the mechanism this law provides for me to be compensated when my souffles don’t rise.

  22. If almond milk comes from nuts, how come cows don’t have nuts?

    1. A cow is a female and a bull is a male. What the hell is the species?

      1. John… that was a joke.

        ;P

          1. You got my joke, and I failed to get your joke?

            *sighs heavily at self*

        1. “So the rooster has sex with the chickens, but then whose sleeping with the hens?”

          1. I love the mom in that episode.

            “Her mother seems to hit the sauce pretty heavily.”

      2. Domestic Shorthair Buffalo.

        1. I thought buffaloes have wings?

          Also: Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. Discuss.

  23. “Sen. Mark Warner Calls for Regulation of Social Media Companies, Big Tech”
    […]
    “Following up on multiple hearings on Capitol Hill over Facebook’s treatment of users’ private data, Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) released a 23-page white paper this week detailing about 20 policy proposals for regulating social media companies and big tech companies so that incidents like the Facebook-Cambridge Analytica scandal are not repeated.”
    http://www.insidesources.com/sen-mark-
    warner-calls-regulation-social-media-
    companies-big-tech/

    I guess the “scandal” being that his candidate didn’t get elected?

  24. “Vegan Milk Attack”
    You people are slipping…this is a great band name

    1. Nah. With a name like that it would have to be some alt-rock band whose lead singer sounds incredibly whiny. Like “21 Pilots”

      1. And they would all have emo haircuts and they’d all be looking off in different directions on the debut album cover, but it’s still a great name for a band

        1. The band will be nominated at the MTV music awards for “Best Band to Cut Yourself To”

    2. Yes it is Lap. yes it is.

    3. Naw. The audience would be all non-lactose intolerant. Boring.

  25. “ensures that when a consumer buys a dairy product, it will perform in recipes as expected.”
    Has she ever cooked before? Skim and whole don’t even perform the same in many recipes

    1. I’ve never seen a recipe that called for a cup of “dairy product”.

  26. “What’s awesome is how progressives are defending Harvard Law graduate Sarah Jeong’s racism because she’s “punching up.”

    A graduate of Harvard Law School. Punching up. My God, the left today is a demented, privileged joke.”

    1. What this poster forgot to consider is “what if those trolls went to the University of Chicago?”

      Then it would be punching up

      1. Because U of C is better than all the east coast pretentious universities. That’s the joke

    2. Some guerilla journalist needs to get an old white guy who is a Korean War veteran and find Jeong in Portlandia and ask her if to tell the guy to his face how much she enjoys his pain. It would be some made for Youtube entertainment.

      1. Jeong would likely not even be alive, nor her parents if Americans white men had not sacrificed so much to save South Korea.

        North Korea just gave the USA US remains in 55 boxes which included one dogtag. It was from around the Chosin Reservoir region. Those Marines and Army guys endured hell on Earth, including being infested with lice and starving while having to march back to friendly lines.

        Its American good will that allows an ungrateful bitch like that to be in the USA and say what she wants.

    3. Funny, I thought the progs ranked Asians on the same level as white people on the Oppression Hierarchy.

    4. But people were mean to her on the internet! How can you be so cruel and thoughtless.

  27. I don’t care about who the NYT hires or fires, but I think we can all agree that they need more humor columnists like Paul Krugman.

    “An alien invasion would be a huge economic boon”

    Oh, Krugman, you so crazy

    1. Paul made the point last night that this is a standards issue. No publication with any standards should want to hire someone as stupid and vicious and Jeong appears to be. Yet they did. And they can claim it is different for her and they don’t have double standards and are not really okay with anti-white racism all they want. That is not going to prevent the public at large from believing their lying eyes.

      This whole thing is just another black eye on journalism and part of the mainstream media’s continued suicide. It amazes me that they can’t see that. And it amazes me even more how other journalists outside of the Times can’t see the damage this does to their profession as a whole and are so quick to defend her.

      1. I think the average American has a low opinion of journalists for reasons outside of who sits on the NYT’s editorial board

        1. Yes and this just further cements that. Right-wing talk shows like Hannity and Limbaugh and Carlson are no doubt all over this story. They have tens of millions of people in their audience. So, this isn’t some inside baseball journalist thing. And everyone in the country knows what the New York Times is. The Times is for most people kind of the symbol of the major media. This whole affair just further discredits the entire profession. I don’t see how anyone in that profession could not think this is a bad thing.

          1. This whole affair just further discredits the entire profession.

            Which is a good thing, right?

            When the New York Times and the Washington Post and the rest are totally discredited and put out of business, then everyone will get their “news” from their favorite partisan sources, like Sean Hannity or Rachel Maddow. Gee, that would totally be healthy, wouldn’t it?

            1. Which is a good thing, right?

              It isn’t if you are a journalist. Moreover, it is not a good thing when major cultural institutions like the Times totally discredit themselves and normalize racism. As much as I dislike what the Times has become, I dislike the fact that our entire media seems intent on destroying itself such that the country no longer has a reliable way to obtain factual news even more.

            2. Oh come on. Every single news source in existence is partisan and every person in existence chooses their favorite echo chamber. One newspaper or another going out of business isn’t going to change that one bit.

            3. Needs more thinking of the children.

  28. “Ban Alex Jones from Facebook” they cried.

    http://www.twitter.com/WalkerBragman/…..2356203520

    Aaannnddd….they just took down a video about the starvation of Yemen. Well done, everyone!

    1. It really is fucked up what they’re doing to Alex Jones. I understand he’s been banned from Spotify now? Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Spotify, . . . Conspiring to silence a conspiracy theorist can only end in tears.

      Alex Jones may be fake news, but it isn’t fake, fake news. I know some people take him , but that’s what makes it not really fake news.

      It’s “crank news”.

      Sometimes, girlfriends say thing that are neither meant to be taken seriously nor not meant to be taken seriously. Sometimes, they say things because they want to see what it feels like to say them. Sometimes, they talk to entertain themselves.

      To my eye, that’s Alex Jones and his listeners.

      It’s like halfway between watching The X-Files and a role-playing game like D&D or participating in a Renaissance Fair. Some women like to think they’re psychic. They watch Jonathan Edwards cold read the dead. They go to psychics. They buy crystals at a new age store. That new age shit isn’t fake news. It’s adults playing “let’s pretend” for various reasons. New age chicks like to think they’re psychic. Alex Jones listeners like to pretend they know what’s really going on.

      1. They’re starting with Alex Jones, but it will inevitably expand to anyone outside of “acceptable opinion”, like it’s already been used against anti-war activists

      2. It’s not because he lies. It’s because he is defamatory and brings harassment and violates the terms of service.

        1. And those are things that are very important to you, aren’t they–especially violating the terms of service.

          How can we stand by and do nothing when Alex Jones is running around out there violating YouTube’s terms of service?!

          1. Well, that’s up to Youtube to decide, ain’t it?

            1. And new start ups that offer non-virtue signaling video service.

  29. “No one buys almond milk under the false illusion that it came from a cow”

    I heard it came from “sex workers”.

    1. That would need a USDA warning label

  30. This is the problem with ‘mandatory labeling laws’.

    In principle I support truth in labeling regulations. As one of the few things that government ought to do. Because we cannot view inside a can of peas ahead of time to know if it is really full of peas, or if it’s a can of sewage.

    But the labeling regulations will just get perverted to suit those in power. Like arguing over the definition of milk, in clearly self-interested ways.

    Or labeling things with an intent to scare, not to inform, such as with the GMO labeling initiatives out there.

    It really is depressing. It’s making me reconsider my position on labeling regulations in the first place.

    1. Milk is the lactic fluid of a mammal. There is nothing to argue over. Not mammalian lactic fluid, not milk. Glad I could resolve that for you.

      Would you like to try my metal milk? It’s actually made from arsenic, but why argue over definitions?

    2. I got news for you: it doesn’t matter what the labeling laws are in the United States, because they will ultimately be dictated to us by the EU, either through a managed trade deal or just because it will be more cost effective for companies to just abide by Europe’s more stringent regulations in their American and foreign operations.

      Get ready for more GMO panics, courtesy of Brussels

      1. And “protected origin” foods. No cheesesteaks outside of Philly. No wings outside of Buffalo. etc.

        1. Would that be ‘regional appropriation’ or ‘geographical appropriation’?

          No more lobster rolls for you1

  31. Democrats from Wisconsin first introduced the idea last year, with the so-called DAIRY PRIDE Act.

    Always with the identity politics.

  32. Hey, what if I call my arsenic, “metal milk”?

    Or I can call my vodka “enhanced water.”

    Words mean things. Soy is not “milk.” Milk is not “alternative soy.”

    1. Sorry, we need the government to tell us that. “Some rando on the Internet said so” ain’t gonna cut it,

  33. Gosh, I remember the days when a story like 2 cops straight up murdering someone might have gotten a few comments. But I guess not when there is milk and to discuss and culture wars to be fought.

    1. and

    2. The Friday Nut Punch has lost its crunch?

  34. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has said it will not detain pregnant women in their third trimester “absent extraordinary circumstances.” But “the agency appears to be violating that policy, over and over again,” reports The Daily Beast.

    It’s not ICE’s fault. They started their detention in the first trimester!

  35. There are competitive bodybuilders who are vegan.

  36. Hello Tweeps…Big Dairy should back off this one. It’ll backfire like the ban on yellow margarine.

    People who don’t know why they feel sick every time they eat a restaurant meal that’s smothered in cheese, they just do, tend to be very grumpy people. When their doctors run out of tests and they realize that, yes, after midlife White people lose lactose tolerance too, some of these grumpy people are very angry with Big Dairy.

    1. People who don’t know why they feel sick every time they eat a restaurant meal that’s smothered in cheese, they just do, tend to be very grumpy people. When their doctors run out of tests and they realize that, yes, after midlife White people lose lactose tolerance too, some of these grumpy people are very angry with Big Dairy.

      You do realize that even people with primary lactose intolerance (the most common type) can generally eat cheeses and that, frequently, the cheeses used to smother plates of food are closer to margarine (or are cut with margarine or vegetable oils) than they are to cheese, right?

      My kid’s 6 and he’s got it pretty well figured out what is and isn’t “real food”. I think the people you imagine smothering plates of nachos and gobbling down Kraft easy mac and then getting pissed because age, lactose, dairy are only dumb enough to exist in any real numbers in your own mind.

      1. Typed like a grumpy cheese eater, so I’ll be charitable and post this in case anyone’s actually looking for data rather than merely for jokes:

        Try the local celiac support group? Numbers are there. People don’t have to be outstandingly dumb, just “well socialized” and eager to “fit in,” to keep on eating/drinking/using things that make them sick for years without having a clue why.

        White people, who think of lactose/casein intolerances as things other ethnic groups have, can be especially blind to the fact that that’s what’s making them so grumpy…an older friend of mine kept drinking that good healthy milk, instead of eating meat, while growing thinner and sicker for most of ten years, because Only Black People Have Lactose Intolerance. And literally dozens of doctors didn’t spot what she was a textbook case of, for that reason. So in her memory I often remind White people that blue eyes do not guarantee lifelong lactose tolerance.

        Genuine celiac disease is rare (I think most support group members are actually glyphosate-intolerant; real celiacs are both), so I’m sure all adult celiacs are accustomed to people telling us “Oh well you’re just a freak, an alien, you don’t count.” So we just learn to hate the chain restaurants back. This is nothing new, but in recent years the chains have finally noticed that they’re losing money by telling us that we’re a minority.

        1. Further data points:

          There are people who can drink a glass of milk but can’t keep down a cube of cheese, and I’m one of them. There are people who can’t drink milk but can eat cheese. There are people who can digest both or neither. There are people who *can* eat cheese, but want to avoid it just to cut calories. There are people who seem to tolerate cheese but still hate it. Restaurants lose money by kowtowing, or cow-towing, to Big Dairy.

          The dairy industry has pushed fast-food restaurants to push cheese…such that McDonalds is currently subsidized to sell cheeseburgers for half the price of plain hamburgers. If I *could* eat cheese, I’d be turned off it by that kind of blatant manipulation.

          I think about what I buy, and I don’t like the idea of buying products of an industry that’s literally shoving its product at people rather than offering it to them…whether their natural tendency would be to use and like it, use it and suffer, avoid it while dieting, avoid it while saving money, or whatever else. I like ice cream but I don’t like encouraging Big Dairy.

          1. Literally shoving? Here I thought we had to pay for it.

            1. Yes…what cheesed me off this summer is having to pay more for a cheese-free greaseburger.

        2. You are on the wrong website. This is for libertarians not food freaks.

          1. Well…anyone searching forums for talent would definitely find more comedians than researchers here 😉 but my original comment *was* libertarian.

        3. You are on the wrong website. This is for libertarians not food freaks.

  37. Ironically, the only times I’ve bought the wrong milk by mistake is when I bought skim milk thinking it was whole milk. Can’t blame the vegans for that.

    1. Ironically, the only times I’ve bought the wrong milk by mistake is when I bought skim milk thinking it was whole milk. Can’t blame the vegans for that.

      Doubly ironic, unless you’re ancient and from a bizarre part of the world, when you committed your mistake there were more regulations distinguishing the labeling and nutrient content of whole milk from skim milk than there are distinguishing labeling and nutrient content of vegan-milk and dairy milk.

      I’m mixed about the issue. I could ground lime or chalk and dissolve or suspend it in water until it would be commonly recognized as milk. It’s possible it would even contain similar levels of calcium but, nutritionally, it would be in no way similar to dairy milk and selling it as ‘Mineral Milk: with fewer calories and as much calcium as cows milk!’ is a pretty blatant fraud. I don’t think anyone would confuse it for cow’s milk but the issue isn’t really the product(s) as much as it is the false comparison.

  38. So does this mean human women are now cows? Or is it that human women no longer produce milk?

    1. Milk is a mammalian product of breasts. Labeling needs to tell what mammal produced the milk. HUuman, cow, goat or other mammal if sold to the public should be labeled as such as they have different allergy profiles.
      Labeling is not some exotic or superfluous act. These are different things but all are milk.
      Crushing almonds does not make milk .

      1. Take some milk of magnesia. It may clear your mind.

  39. There are so many variations on foods that it is not unreasonable to clearly label foods. Almond milk is not milk. Milk is a specific product that can come in flavors. There can be actual milk with almond flavor. Almond milk generally is not milk although right now there is a recall of almond milk that contains milk.. There is much room for needless confusion. Labeling is there to clearly tell what one is buying.

  40. Death of a farmer definitely needs looking into, but way over my pay grade. However, the ban on the use of the word “milk” is insane. Mother’s milk (can’t think of a recipe using this) milkweed (poor endangered Butterflies), milk of magnesia( so confusing an bad results when used in pancake batter) Milky Way bar (maybe includes a milk like substance, maybe) many poly chemicals mix milk with a hardener ( for dairy lobbyists shoes,) and on and on beyond the real Milky Way!

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