Donald Trump

Trump's Grocery Store Gaffe Matters, but Not for the Reason You Think

Yes, Trump is out of touch with regular life. All presidents are. This one's ignorance is a problem in other ways.

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Donald Trump is basically gaffe-proof. But that doesn't mean his factual flubs have nothing to tell us about the man or his policies.

Take what happened in Tampa Tuesday night. Speaking at a rally, the president freewheeled into a rant about the need for Voter ID laws. This is a pretty mainstream Republican idea. Long before Trump was the party's figurehead, GOP politicians were rattling off the same talking point that Trump hit last night: You have to show ID to buy booze or smokes, you have to show ID before you can board a plane, so why shouldn't you have to show ID before entering the Holy of Holies of American democracy, the voting booth?

But Trump added something new to the mix. "You know, if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID," he said. "You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture."

To clarify: You do not have to show a photo ID before buying bread, eggs, and milk at the local Kroger.

The media jumped on the gaffe, because it was funny and because it made him seem out of touch. But in the same speech Trump said something just as stupid and far more consequential, and it got much less attention. Dismissing worries about his tariffs, Trump claimed that farmers have reacted to China's retaliatory trade barriers by saying "it's OK, we can take it."

In fact, farmers tend to be pretty unhappy about being caught in the middle of Trump's trade war. In Iowa alone, the tit-for-tat tariffs with China could cost them more than $600 million this year, according to an Iowa State study. Farmers and their representatives have been some of the loudest voices opposing Trump's barriers to trade.

Most people in the White House know this. Presumably the president does too. That's why he's sending $12 billion in aid to farmers hurt by the tariffs, an effort that hasn't necessarily won many of them over. "Imagine someone destroys your car and then says I'll give you a ride to the next place you need to go. Well gee, thanks," farmer Mike Petefish told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune last week.

Trump and his top economic advisers continue to be brush off the consequences of his trade war. The president has told supporters not to believe stories about steel-consuming businesses having to lay off workers or close their doors, and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross has claimed that job losses and higher prices are merely "hiccups along the way."

But Trump has seemed genuinely stupified by the reaction. After being told by Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) that farmers "want markets, and not really a payment from the government," the president expressed surprise. "I've never heard of anybody who didn't want a payment from the government," he said, according to an account Moran gave to the Associated Press. That's way more worrying that Trump's peculiar ideas about buying groceries.

I'm not sure many of Trump's supporters will really care about his grocery gaffe. Where most politicians try to fake being a regular guy, Trump happily flaunts the extent to which he isn't like everyone else. He puts his name on the side of huge buildings, rides golden escalators to press conferences, and brags about having never changed a diaper. Almost everything about his personal brand suggests that yes, he's completely out of touch. That's been true for years. It hasn't held him back so far.

Almost anyone who has been successful in national politics is out of touch with regular life. When Hillary Clinton admitted in 2014 that she hadn't driven a car since 1996, it was treated as a major gaffe. But she was just being honest. You can't go grocery shopping or pick up your dry cleaning when you're constantly in a motorcade.

It's not ultimately very important that politicians can quote the price of milk—a classic "gotcha" question, particularly in Britain. But understanding how their policies affect the people who do have to go to the grocery store every week: That's important.

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  1. Wasn’t this covered in the AM Links Morning Round up? Has anything changed? Why am I asking so many questions?

    1. Are you Judge Napolitano?

      1. Would it make a difference if he was? And would the questions be any better?

  2. “that farmers “want markets, and not really a payment from the government,”

    How does this jive with the political pressure to continue ethanol subsidies?

    1. Or the fact that the Department of Agriculture has a $151 billion budget. The irony of Eric claiming Trump is out of touch with the real world while in the same article saying farmers don’t want a payment from the government is pretty remarkable to say the least.

      1. And if you actually read the article you would of noted that Boehm didn’t actually say that farmers don’t want payment from the government. Senator Moran (R-Kansas) did. But you know, actually reading articles makes it a bit more difficult to pillory Reason, so I get it.

        1. And if you actually read the article you would of noted that Boehm didn’t actually say that farmers don’t want payment from the government.

          He didn’t say anything to indicate disagreement with the statement. And if he does disagree with the statement than its inclusion in the article as evidence of Trump’s obtuseness is a complete and total non-sequitur. But you know actually being able to comprehend what you read makes it a bit more difficult to regurgitate leftist propaganda so I get it.

      2. The irony of Eric claiming Trump is out of touch with the real world while in the same article saying farmers don’t want a payment from the government is pretty remarkable to say the least.

        In all fairness, the people receiving most of that money didn’t inherit the family farm from their Dad, don’t have a degree in agriculture or animal science, and won’t plant a single seed or feed a single animal. Certainly, some poor and/or lazy farmers do ask for and receive some aid, but it’s not like the guys who climb on the tractor are slipping on a pair of golden handcuffs and, after 20-30 yrs., exchange the cuffs for a golden parachute the way bailed out bank executives, crony CEOs, or even a regular public sector union employees do. It’s still pretty solidly true that if your farm is your “pension”, the earlier you retire or better you live in retirement, the less of it you get to hand it down to your kids.

    2. This thought occurred to me as well. They aren’t exactly clamoring for that particular payment to be eliminated.

    3. Same way people holding up “get government hands off my medicare” signs do. When something goes on long enough, people stop thinking about where it actually comes from and say stupid-ass shit.

      Or to generalize, people are more likely to oppose a change to the status quo using some principle then to oppose a long-term status quo under the same principle, even when the latter is a greater violation of that principle.

    4. probably because they don’t interpret those ethanol subsidies as “payment from the government”. Its fairly basic.

      1. Don’t assume that farmers are as stupid or dishonest as you are.

        Did they also get confused about their subsidies and crop insurance?

  3. Know who was gaffe-proof?

    Obama and Clinton.

    Because the press ignored the gaffes studiously.

    1. This is the silliest thing I have heard in any one of the 57 states.

      1. Obama wasn’t the gaffe machine W was, so they had to hold on to the ones they got for a lot longer.

        1. Yeah Bush said misunderestimate once in his entire presidency. Obama lied to 300 million Americans about health care reform murdered an American citizen without trial bragged about his plan to make energy unaffordable spied on reporters jailed whistleblowers used the IRS to shut down his political rivals sold 20% of US uranium interests to Russia banned offshore oil drilling in defiance of a federal court order started 3 illegal wars including the ongoing civil war in Syria illegally spied on American citizens without a warrant illegally unmasked the victims of that illegal spying and doubled the national debt. Oh yeah and he said corpse-man that one time! Haha you really have to dig for those Obama gaffes!

    2. Way to cling to your myths and religion. This comment is deplorable.

  4. To clarify: You do not have to show a photo ID before buying bread, eggs, and milk at the local Kroger.

    Thats not what he said Boehm. He said groceries. I can buy smokes and alcohol at Kroger. I would need ID for those purchases of non-food groceries.

    You Reason staff and your TDS.

    1. He said “groceries” which could be interpreted as “bread and eggs” or “smokes and alcohol”. It all really comes down to whether or not you give him the benefit of the doubt.

      And if it were Warren making the same remark, it would come down to the same thing.

      1. No one seriously believes you have to show an ID to buy milk. His point was you have to show an ID to pay for such whenever you write a check or use anything but cash. That seems painfully obvious to me. I don’t think the people claiming it isn’t are being honest.

        1. Write a check? At a grocery store? Is it 1993 again?

          1. Yes, some old people feel more comfortable with writing checks. They also probably dont have their bank accounts raided like the dipshit kids who tap their cards against a payment surface which just happened to be a skimmer.

            What kind of goober uses debit cards? Its stupid to let a thief have only one step to drain your bank account.

      2. Hmm. I’m not aware of anyone who thinks of smokes and alcohol as groceries.

        1. Oh yeah, this was definitely a gaffe. The reaction of “wow Trump’s so stupid!” is more grating, though. Especially since (as with the example given of smokes and alcohol, which you can pick up with your groceries) there are instances where you do indeed need to show your ID at the grocery store.

          1. They sell FOOD at a grocery store? I never noticed.

        2. I put smokes and alcohol in my non-grocery cart.

          What should I collect these non-food items in at the grocery store?

        3. Actually, I know kind of a lot of people who define “groceries” as “the stuff you buy at the grocery store” – which, yes, does include cigarettes and alcohol. That list includes the US Government in their various calculations of standard ‘baskets of goods’ used to calculate inflation indices.

        4. Juice|8.1.18 @ 5:58PM|#

          Hmm. I’m not aware of anyone who thinks of smokes and alcohol as groceries

          Groceries: the plural of grocery; meaning the grocer’s wares.

          That would include every item for sale at the grocery (the grocer’s place of business).

          1. “Groceries: the plural of grocery; meaning the grocer’s wares.

            That would include every item for sale at the grocery (the grocer’s place of business).”

            Lottery tickets are groceries. That’s why you can buy them with Food Stamps.

            1. James Pollock|8.2.18 @ 12:25AM

              Lottery tickets are groceries. That’s why you can buy them with Food Stamps.

              Actually no, the grocer is an agent of the state when distributing lottery tickets.
              The tickets are not the property of the grocer.

      3. He said “groceries” which could be interpreted as “bread and eggs” or “smokes and alcohol”. It all really comes down to whether or not you give him the benefit of the doubt.

        This may surprise you, but whether you give Trump the benefit of the doubt actually doesn’t matter to Trump or to politics.

        Politicians say things for all sorts of reasons. Trump uses hyperbole constantly. How do we know? He told us in his books. So, even if he were to say “you can’t even buy an apple without showing ID”, you’re free to wring your hands about how it isn’t literally true, it just makes you look stupid.

    2. You also should be asked for ID if paying with plastic.

      1. Barter, I will take a beer!

  5. I’m not sure many of Trump’s supporters will really care about his grocery gaffe.

    I assure you, it’s possible to hate many of his policies and still not really care about his “gaffe”.

    Sigh. You know, on the bright side, we haven’t discussed immigration all day. So there’s that.

    1. Politics aside, is there anything dumber than the media’s obsession with “gaffes”? People mispeak sometimes. If you like Trump and support his policies, you are not going to suddenly change your mind because he misspeaks while giving some example to prove his point. Even if this is what he said, so what? Is that supposed to change my opinion on voter ID laws? Oh, Trump said you needed an ID to buy milk, so I guess voter ID laws really are the RACIST!!

      I guess Tony and shreek were suddenly supposed to decide that Obamacare was a terrible idea because Obama said Austrians speak Austrian and not German.

      The whole thing is just idiotic and one of the better examples of why most of the country hates the media.

      1. If you like Trump and support his policies, you are not going to suddenly change your mind because he misspeaks while giving some example to prove his point.

        It’s not to persuade the opposition – it’s to solidify hatred for the Other among your own Team.

      2. The whole thing is just idiotic and one of the better examples of why most of the country hates the media.

        I agree. The media might have better approval ratings than Trump if they weren’t so out of touch with the audience that they highlight gaffes which they see as proof he’s out of touch with the audience.

        Honestly, Trump won in part by understanding what’s going on in folks’ heads down here in the Unimportant Prole demographic better than his elite competition realized.

        1. Honestly, Trump won because of the number of people who wouldn’t vote for a Democrat under any circumstances, the number of people snowed by his B.S., and the number of people horrified by the prospect of President Rodham, all added together, was just high enough in enough states to counter the popular vote.

          1. popular vote

            People keep using this term.

            As if it means something.

            Since the inception of this nation the President has been elected via the electoral college.

            A candidate who campaigned for the popular vote–an unused metric– would have to be treated as if they were insane. People who held it up, likewise, would best be treated thus.

      3. Remember when a member of the media does not like a politician a gaffe is evidence of rank ignorance or stupidity. If they do like the politician a gaffe is evidence of a dedicated public servant working himself into a state of commendable exhaustion.

        1. Never liked Bush 41, but wasn’t surprised or outraged that he didn’t know the price of milk. Probably many married men don’t know that, especially now that they don’t put price labels on anything. Our current POTUS probably hasn’t done any “shopping” in decades.

          1. ” Our current POTUS probably hasn’t done any “shopping” in decades.”

            For example, he WAY overpays for sex with prostitutes. er, adult entertainers.

            1. For example, he WAY overpays for sex with prostitutes. er, adult entertainers.

              This is a fine example of ignorance masquerading as intelligence.

              Stormy Daniels fucked Trump freely and of her own will. As did the others whose pre-election payoffs are now coming to light.

              For FREE.

              Because he’s RICH

              The payoffs were so they’d keep their mouths shut.

              But they had sex with him not just voluntarily–but probably enthusiastically. FOR FREE.

      4. Obama wouldn’t have made a mistake or ‘gaffe’ either, he’d have been intentionally lying. The media is a disgrace.

    2. You know, on the bright side, we haven’t discussed immigration all day.

      I’ve be away for awhile. Is this still a thing?

      1. Less so. Reason seems to want to have five posts a day on tariffs and Trump’s trade war now, because people still wonder what their position on those things are or something.

        1. I would have said pot but we talked about that, and I wanted to avoid reproduction rights, it’s been a nice day.

        2. Actually, it’s been a few days since tariff talk.
          Possibly because China is feeling the heat worse than we are (Xi recently shut down a newspaper?/nonprofit? because an op ed was critical of his handling of it, and their market isn’t trending too good), while other Asian nations are picking up manufacturers fleeing China

  6. You can’t go grocery shopping or pick up your dry cleaning when you’re constantly in a motorcade

    Actually, I’ve found it’s significantly easier.

    Hell, most of the time people just give me the stuff for free!

    1. If I need to pay for something, I just borrow money from my body guard.

      1. No, I’m tellin’ ya, I just drive up with my entourage on our motorcycles and the clerks just give us gas and scratchers for no charge! Sometimes they even give us money! I think having us around must just make them feel safer.

  7. Caption this in the comments

    And this is the face I make when I eat ketchup-covered well done steak.

    1. I like well-done steak with ketchup, but steak’s better if I pay attention and don’t overcook it, eliminating the need for anything other than fried onions and mushrooms.

  8. So what…..

    …..all I know is that

    Hillary Clinton will NEVER EVER be president and Bill will NEVER EVER be 1st male 1st lady.

    ahahahahhaaaa!!!!!

    Although I must admit I’d have enjoyed seeing Bill walking about with a dress or whatever the 1st male 1st lady wears.

  9. “Imagine someone destroys your car and then says I’ll give you a ride to the next place you need to go. Well gee, thanks,” farmer Mike Petefish told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune last week.

    I believe the saying is something about the government breaking your leg and then giving you a pair of crutches. But then again, he’s a farmer and there’s also a saying about scorpions and frogs so he can go to hell for all I care.

    And the only possible caption is “So Stormy was like ‘Whack, whack, whack’ and I was like ‘Ooh, ooh, ooh’ and Cohen was like ‘Hey, I haven’t finished reading that yet!’ “

  10. I work with farmers and ranchers daily. Most I have spoken to are worried about the tariffs but also feel that we need to address unfair trade practices that Canada, China and the EU commonly practice. They are basically conflicted. The support Trump trying to do something but also are worried about it’s impact on their operations. However, I haven’t met one yet who voted for Trump who isn’t still willing to vote for him. And as long as the best the Democrats can do is Harris or Warren, I doubt that will change anytime soon.

  11. I get it. I had to show my ID at the grocery store the other day, when I used a credit card. It’s pretty common at all kinds of stores. I guess that’s too abstract for some people to figure out, hence a “gaffe”. The fact is, that if you go to a grocery store, you ought to bring your ID because you could very well need it. And if you drive, you’d better be ready with your ID in case you get pulled over. Is any of that more important than voting? (Cue debate on the usefulness of voting).

    Re: tariffs, I’m willing to admit that I have no idea if it will be good or bad in the long run. I’m willing to admit that I’m ignorant of the economic data shown to the Chief Executive and his minions, which presumably informs their decisions and their feeling that we are getting a raw deal. But I’ve done enough complex project management to know one thing for sure: the average person believes that there is no good reason for any management decision that they were not a part of making. People mistake their inability to find out the reasons for things, for there being no reasons. People are, by and large, poor managers of complex issues. Or maybe they are just dumb and inexperienced.

    1. If it is not an insurmountable burden for me to show photo ID when required
      (a) to buy beer or wine at the supermarket
      (b) to buy ammunition at WalMart
      (c) to vote at the polling place
      (d) to buy a firearm at a gunshop
      why is it a big deal to require photo ID to vote?

  12. re: ID to buy groceries…

    He kind of has a point. Consider:
    – if your grocery cart includes any alcohol, cigarettes, certain drugs (even if they’re technically over-the-counter) and a couple other categories of products, you have to provide ID.
    – if you want to pay with anything other than just cash (and who carries that anymore), you have to provide ID.
    – if you want any of the store discounts, you either have to provide ID (the store’s discount card) or provide enough personal information that they can confirm your ID (and find your card number).

    I can duck into the store to buy a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread without ID but for more any serious trip to the grocery store, I’m going to have to provide one form of ID or another.

    1. He kind of has a point.

      Again, given liberal reinterpretation of what he said to ‘you have to have an ID to buy eggs’ you can certainly arrive at ‘you have to have an ID to drive to the grocery store or gas station to buy groceries (or whatever)’ which is both true and jives with the intent of the more cogent point about voter IDs.

      The ‘you have to have an ID to buy eggs’ means Trump is dumb interpretation is willful, trivial, and needlessly spiteful. Slightly less idiotic and pedantic as someone saying verbally, ‘4… 40 percent’ and recanting it as 440%.

      Trump: “We should have IDs to vote; the same way we buy groceries.”
      Response: “Trump’s such a moron he thinks people vote to buy groceries.”
      Lots of the rest of us: “What. a. fucking. joke.”

    2. Or pay cash. I hate waiting behind someone using a credit card to buy a pack of gum.

  13. I’m opposed to Trump’s trade wars, but let’s remember that some of these farmers are subsidized to the sky by the federal government. They had no qualms about getting federal handout before the trade war.

    We all want free market instead of bailouts. But that means American farmers have to compete with imports not hit with tariffs.

    If Trump ends the trade war (which he should) we only go back to the status quo. Trump said he favors trade with no tariffs, but I don’t how serious he’s about this.

    1. Trump said he favors trade with no tariffs, but I don’t how serious he’s about this.

      Serious enough to start a trade war to get it.

  14. The media jumped on the gaffe, because it was funny and because it made him seem out of touch. But in the same speech Trump said something just as stupid and far more consequential, and it got much less attention. Dismissing worries about his tariffs, Trump claimed that farmers have reacted to China’s retaliatory trade barriers by saying “it’s OK, we can take it.”

    You’re taking standard politician-speak?hell, standard salesman-speak?as an error. It’s like when he was in Scotland & said people there were for Brexit. Of course a politician, or anyone trying to sell anything, is going to select those who agree w hir to refer to. This is not stupid, it’s not out of touch, it’s standard. They do it in the Libertarian Party in spades!

  15. Q: How many psychotherapists does it take to change a diaper?

    A: Only one, but the diaper really has to WANT to change.

  16. Shucks, back in 1872 they called voter disenfranchisement Reconstruction. The trick elected Ulysses S. Grant to office and he signed the Comstock Laws turning the postal monopoly into a prohibitionist crusade for censorship. Those laws banned condoms, diaphragms, all other birth control, pictures of mammary glands… If a parent were to write to a son or daughter in college recommending birth control methods, that letter was a “misdemeanor” good for up to 10 years on a chain gang. Today’s mystical conservatives can think off little else besides reviving these laws–laws that were still enforced during the Herbert Hoover administration.

    1. Go fuck yourself.

      1. Remember “Hank Phillips” was the skipper of the Maersk Alabama. The idiot allowed pirates in a small boat to board his ship. When all he had to do was move the ship.

    2. Those laws banned condoms, diaphragms, all other birth control, pictures of mammary glands

      Yeah no. No they didn’t. They banned mailing those articles. They did not ban their production or distribution through other commercial means. And literally no one today besides you cares one little rat fart about Comstock laws or bringing them back. Ironically enough the only people remotely interested in the kind of censorship you perpetually assure us is always one Republican elected official away from becoming reality is the extreme left wing of your Democratic party. Which is perfectly in keeping with the traditions of the Progressive Era and its impact on the Democratic party from Wilson onward.

    3. Shucks, back in 1872 they called voter disenfranchisement Reconstruction

      The only people who “disenfranchised” minorities were Democrats. Same as today, actually.

  17. So now the Evangelicals are singing the praises of having us all carry IDs. Funny how up is down and left is right. They probably have not thought all of this through. I’m sure they have some nuanced argument how government issued IDs is some kind of huge violation of their freedom and yet we all need to have IDs to vote and prove our citizenship. Do they think that people will magically know they are citizens and somehow they will be allowed to not show an ID?

    1. The…..’evangelicals’……o—-kay.

      Any other messages from your tin foil hat?

  18. I’ve been asked for my ID at the grocery store and pharmacy pretty often. Any credit transaction over $100 would trigger an ID check at the latter.

    It’s possible that Trump has never bought groceries himself in the last decade, but also possible that he’s making another sloppy analogy. In practice most people do have to bring ID to buy groceries. The alternative would be to always pay cash or keep their purchases under $100, and just leave the stuff and walk out if they’re asked for ID, but most people won’t/can’t/don’t.

    If you view voting as a sacrosanct right that should never be inconvenienced even slightly, then voter ID laws are horrid. But Trump seems to be taking the familiar Republican line: ‘Aw come on guys, how hard is it to get your sh*t together and register and show up at the polls with the ID you bring with you everywhere else on every other day of the year?’

    1. The chip credit cards or cash require no such ID. Other than alchohol which is always amusing given the grey in the beard, never asked for an ID.

      Don’t know where you shop. Not once have I been asked for ID to buy food.

      Trump does not shop and does not make food. He never has. He has people for that.

      The amusing part is he sold himself as anti elite. Good trick there.

  19. I think the weirdest thing about this ‘gaffe’ IS that it’s only a gaffe if you twist your head into the weird interpretation that Hihn’s using.

    They’re all saying that Trump said that every single person, any time they buy groceries–or anything else has to show photo ID.

    And it can, absolutely, be read that way. As long as you abandon discernment, context, and any previous awareness of how the man talks.

    And that’s what they’re all doing! And acting as if it’s the normal thing to do!

    I have been asked, from time to time, for my ID in various stores–including grocery stores, for various reasons. This happens. Most people are aware that this happens. This is a simple fact.

    The process is so common that we have various shorthand, widely understood terms for it–‘getting carded’. There are even feelings of sadness associated with the time when one is no longer asked for ID for age related issues.

    To pretend that none of this exists for the sole purpose of farcially shouting ‘fool’ at someone is madness.

    Absolute madness. On the Hihn level.

    And yet, there it is, all through Reason, all across our media.

    Madness.

  20. Not sure Trump made a gaffe here. He has been pushing hard on outreach to poor urban communities and the ID could have been a reference to EBT/SNAP cards which typically have a picture or require photo ID.
    As does paying with a check at the grocery store also always requires ID.
    As does inclusion of tobacco, alcohol, Sudafed, etc with your groceries.

    It’s probably more an indication of the cluelessness of his critics.

  21. Trump achieved exactly what he set out to achieve, namely to get people thinking about all the places they do and do not need ID, thereby getting people to think about the absurdity of opposition to voter ID laws.

    He’s a big boy; he can deal with the fact that CNN and Reason accuse him of making a “gaffe” over his statement; he wouldn’t be as successful as he is without this silly outrage machine. So, keep up the good work Reason, and keep supporting Trump!

  22. Trump was right. His base will defend him of even murder, so we should never believe a word they say. He was testing them. Could Trump call them human vermin,.totally devoid of morals or conscience, publicly, and STILL enjoy their adoration?.

    YES! The very core of his base.

    We can almost predict when and where they will appear, scurrying like cockroaches to defend the beloved blowhard who shares their voice

    The Authoritarian Right = The Authoritarian Left.
    Now competing for the shrinking number of zealots, fanatic and haters they hold, combined..

    That’s why God created libertarians. He grimly recalls this level of satanic evil years ago. But earth’s population is now too large to again flood the planet.

    Organizing libertarians is like herding cats, so He gave them a test. They’d have to first see the same rot, lies and raging hatred in their own tribe. And …. praise God … they DID! 91% of them refuse to be called libertarians, so they can more easily spread their values across the land. over 60% and growing, but still searching for a common voice and identity … because they draw BOTH left and right.

    As originally, God’s waiting to send His Savior. But for the shrinking number of haters and blowhards in both major tribes, their End of Times draws nigh.

    THIS time, there will be no flood. This time, humans will save themselves. And He is pleased.. The final battle is between two assholes, both bellowing loudly.

    The Donald and The Bernie.

    1. Trump was right. His base will defend him of even murder, so we should never believe a word they say.

      No, you should never believe a word Trump or any other politician says. It’s authoritarians and technocrats who pretend that politics is about truth. You know: evil pricks like you who pretend so hard to be libertarians (“John Galt”) while actually just trying to sabotage libertarianism.

      Actual libertarians recognize Trump’s rhetoric for what it is: an above average use of political speech for achieving his ends. Recognizing that isn’t “defending Trump”. However, in this case, Trump’s aim is to get people to support voter ID, which, as a libertarian, I have no problem with.

      The Authoritarian Right = The Authoritarian Left.

      Yes, fascists and communists are basically the same. You should know: you’re a propagandist for them. Go back to hell.

      1. Readers will judge for themselves which is the real libertarian.

        They will also judge for themselves which is true (if they care)
        a) Your claim that I “defended” both left and right simultaneously,
        b) My intent to “attack” them both as “shrinking” and each a “satanic evil.”

        Could I have “defended: both more strongly by instead describing them as “retarded cocksuckers who should be hung?”

        “Go back to hell.”

        NAP

        If I was a betting man, I’d bet that your rage comes from being on the right, while I say your tribe’s value is equal to the left’s tribe. Wild guess, gambler that I am.

  23. Seriously?

    Trump obviously didn’t LITERALLY mean you have to show ID to buy eggs. He’s intentionally being over the top basically saying you have to have ID for like PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING. It’s exaggeration to make a point, and anybody who isn’t a moron should see that. If he had said “Oh jeez, I mean come on, you gotta show your ID to just cross the street!” Would you think he said you ACTUALLY have to show ID to use a cross walk? Obviously not. That would have been too clearly ridiculous, but this to me is just as obvious.

    TDS is a funny thing. There’s so much to actually bitch about, and people go off about stuff like this. LOL

  24. “Trump obviously didn’t LITERALLY mean you have to show ID to buy eggs”

    The White House has explicitly refused to say what you believe.

    “It’s exaggeration to make a point, and anybody who isn’t a moron should see that.”

    I agree the White House has many morons/

    1. When you don’t require voter ID, even the dead vote! Now we even have the dead posting on Hit $ Run.

      REASON should institute a policy requiring valid picture ID for all posters!

      1. I’m not dead . I sign in the book. They compare with my signature on file, Two people are watching, I assume each party. There’s no evidence of dead voters, or the President’s claim of millions of illegal votes.
        And he lied.

        1. David Nolan is dead. You are a fake.

  25. The fact that Mike Petefish’s comment is so far from Minnesota Nice suggests that Trump is in trouble in farm country.

  26. I don’t think “Reason” contributors/staff have ever understood why fair trade practices are important for an open market economy as is suppose to exist in America. Sure, they understand the benefits of free markets from a consumer point-of-view but they fail to take ownership or understand the utter failures of unfair trade practices in the production industries. These utter failures have caused American markets to see sharp declines in manufacturing production while only seeing gains in the consumer related industries (i.e. Service, financial, etc.) As a result America’s economy is tremendously unbalanced and even the successful areas of the markets have become very volatile to corrections.

    Trump seems to be trying to stop this imbalance from unfair trade policy. Sure, it will be painful for some businesses but that’s only because those business have been reaping the rewards of open markets in their specific areas of business while at the same time a lot more business have suffered and even failed because their markets aren’t open across national borders. So if farmers have to take a hit for a while to bring reality to those that are taking advantage of America’s economy, so be it! They’re lucky that they had it so good for so long and now they have to do what’s right for the rest of America. If they don’t want the help in the form of grants from the federal government they don’t have to take them. Good luck with that.

    1. If Trump’s trade tactics work it will be better for America in the long run! And it should work because China, and other countries, have a lot more to lose than U.S. as a Capitalistic economy can always adapt to changing market conditions, whereas, socialist and communist economies have consistently shown they cannot and depend on America’s capitalistic economy for their survival.

  27. “but not for the reason you think!” You being stupid and all.

    A classic no-reason-to-read and fuck-you-too headline.

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