Donald Trump

Trump's Grocery Store Gaffe Matters, but Not for the Reason You Think

Yes, Trump is out of touch with regular life. All presidents are. This one's ignorance is a problem in other ways.

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Donald Trump is basically gaffe-proof. But that doesn't mean his factual flubs have nothing to tell us about the man or his policies.

Take what happened in Tampa Tuesday night. Speaking at a rally, the president freewheeled into a rant about the need for Voter ID laws. This is a pretty mainstream Republican idea. Long before Trump was the party's figurehead, GOP politicians were rattling off the same talking point that Trump hit last night: You have to show ID to buy booze or smokes, you have to show ID before you can board a plane, so why shouldn't you have to show ID before entering the Holy of Holies of American democracy, the voting booth?

But Trump added something new to the mix. "You know, if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID," he said. "You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture."

To clarify: You do not have to show a photo ID before buying bread, eggs, and milk at the local Kroger.

The media jumped on the gaffe, because it was funny and because it made him seem out of touch. But in the same speech Trump said something just as stupid and far more consequential, and it got much less attention. Dismissing worries about his tariffs, Trump claimed that farmers have reacted to China's retaliatory trade barriers by saying "it's OK, we can take it."

In fact, farmers tend to be pretty unhappy about being caught in the middle of Trump's trade war. In Iowa alone, the tit-for-tat tariffs with China could cost them more than $600 million this year, according to an Iowa State study. Farmers and their representatives have been some of the loudest voices opposing Trump's barriers to trade.

Most people in the White House know this. Presumably the president does too. That's why he's sending $12 billion in aid to farmers hurt by the tariffs, an effort that hasn't necessarily won many of them over. "Imagine someone destroys your car and then says I'll give you a ride to the next place you need to go. Well gee, thanks," farmer Mike Petefish told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune last week.

Trump and his top economic advisers continue to be brush off the consequences of his trade war. The president has told supporters not to believe stories about steel-consuming businesses having to lay off workers or close their doors, and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross has claimed that job losses and higher prices are merely "hiccups along the way."

But Trump has seemed genuinely stupified by the reaction. After being told by Sen. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) that farmers "want markets, and not really a payment from the government," the president expressed surprise. "I've never heard of anybody who didn't want a payment from the government," he said, according to an account Moran gave to the Associated Press. That's way more worrying that Trump's peculiar ideas about buying groceries.

I'm not sure many of Trump's supporters will really care about his grocery gaffe. Where most politicians try to fake being a regular guy, Trump happily flaunts the extent to which he isn't like everyone else. He puts his name on the side of huge buildings, rides golden escalators to press conferences, and brags about having never changed a diaper. Almost everything about his personal brand suggests that yes, he's completely out of touch. That's been true for years. It hasn't held him back so far.

Almost anyone who has been successful in national politics is out of touch with regular life. When Hillary Clinton admitted in 2014 that she hadn't driven a car since 1996, it was treated as a major gaffe. But she was just being honest. You can't go grocery shopping or pick up your dry cleaning when you're constantly in a motorcade.

It's not ultimately very important that politicians can quote the price of milk—a classic "gotcha" question, particularly in Britain. But understanding how their policies affect the people who do have to go to the grocery store every week: That's important.

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  1. Wasn’t this covered in the AM Links Morning Round up? Has anything changed? Why am I asking so many questions?

    1. Are you Judge Napolitano?

      1. Would it make a difference if he was? And would the questions be any better?

  2. “that farmers “want markets, and not really a payment from the government,”

    How does this jive with the political pressure to continue ethanol subsidies?

    1. Or the fact that the Department of Agriculture has a $151 billion budget. The irony of Eric claiming Trump is out of touch with the real world while in the same article saying farmers don’t want a payment from the government is pretty remarkable to say the least.

      1. And if you actually read the article you would of noted that Boehm didn’t actually say that farmers don’t want payment from the government. Senator Moran (R-Kansas) did. But you know, actually reading articles makes it a bit more difficult to pillory Reason, so I get it.

        1. You’re too honest to be here.
          /sarc

        2. And if you actually read the article you would of noted that Boehm didn’t actually say that farmers don’t want payment from the government.

          He didn’t say anything to indicate disagreement with the statement. And if he does disagree with the statement than its inclusion in the article as evidence of Trump’s obtuseness is a complete and total non-sequitur. But you know actually being able to comprehend what you read makes it a bit more difficult to regurgitate leftist propaganda so I get it.

          1. And if you actually read the article you would of noted that Boehm didn’t actually say that farmers don’t want payment from the government.

            He didn’t say anything to indicate disagreement with the statement.

            Why did you lie about what he JoeJoe said, to set up one of your your bullshit insults? (emphasis added).

            And if you actually read the article you would of noted that Boehm didn’t actually say that farmers don’t want payment from the government. Senator Moran (R-Kansas) did.

            Shameful.

            But you know actually being able to comprehend what you read makes it a bit more difficult to regurgitate leftist propaganda so I get it.

            But you know, being a blatant bullshitter is so typical of a Trumpster puppet, dancing on as string.

            Right – Left = Zero

      2. The irony of Eric claiming Trump is out of touch with the real world while in the same article saying farmers don’t want a payment from the government is pretty remarkable to say the least.

        In all fairness, the people receiving most of that money didn’t inherit the family farm from their Dad, don’t have a degree in agriculture or animal science, and won’t plant a single seed or feed a single animal. Certainly, some poor and/or lazy farmers do ask for and receive some aid, but it’s not like the guys who climb on the tractor are slipping on a pair of golden handcuffs and, after 20-30 yrs., exchange the cuffs for a golden parachute the way bailed out bank executives, crony CEOs, or even a regular public sector union employees do. It’s still pretty solidly true that if your farm is your “pension”, the earlier you retire or better you live in retirement, the less of it you get to hand it down to your kids.

    2. This thought occurred to me as well. They aren’t exactly clamoring for that particular payment to be eliminated.

    3. Same way people holding up “get government hands off my medicare” signs do. When something goes on long enough, people stop thinking about where it actually comes from and say stupid-ass shit.

      Or to generalize, people are more likely to oppose a change to the status quo using some principle then to oppose a long-term status quo under the same principle, even when the latter is a greater violation of that principle.

    4. probably because they don’t interpret those ethanol subsidies as “payment from the government”. Its fairly basic.

      1. Don’t assume that farmers are as stupid or dishonest as you are.

        Did they also get confused about their subsidies and crop insurance?

  3. Know who was gaffe-proof?

    Obama and Clinton.

    Because the press ignored the gaffes studiously.

    1. This is the silliest thing I have heard in any one of the 57 states.

      1. Obama wasn’t the gaffe machine W was, so they had to hold on to the ones they got for a lot longer.

        1. Yeah Bush said misunderestimate once in his entire presidency. Obama lied to 300 million Americans about health care reform murdered an American citizen without trial bragged about his plan to make energy unaffordable spied on reporters jailed whistleblowers used the IRS to shut down his political rivals sold 20% of US uranium interests to Russia banned offshore oil drilling in defiance of a federal court order started 3 illegal wars including the ongoing civil war in Syria illegally spied on American citizens without a warrant illegally unmasked the victims of that illegal spying and doubled the national debt. Oh yeah and he said corpse-man that one time! Haha you really have to dig for those Obama gaffes!

    2. Way to cling to your myths and religion. This comment is deplorable.

  4. To clarify: You do not have to show a photo ID before buying bread, eggs, and milk at the local Kroger.

    Thats not what he said Boehm. He said groceries. I can buy smokes and alcohol at Kroger. I would need ID for those purchases of non-food groceries.

    You Reason staff and your TDS.

    1. He said “groceries” which could be interpreted as “bread and eggs” or “smokes and alcohol”. It all really comes down to whether or not you give him the benefit of the doubt.

      And if it were Warren making the same remark, it would come down to the same thing.

      1. No one seriously believes you have to show an ID to buy milk. His point was you have to show an ID to pay for such whenever you write a check or use anything but cash. That seems painfully obvious to me. I don’t think the people claiming it isn’t are being honest.

        1. His point was you have to show an ID to pay for such whenever you write a check or use anything but cash. That seems painfully obvious to me

          Shame on you.
          And anyone stupid enough to believe you

          1. Shame on you for being a lunatic Hihn. It is not your fault you are nuts. But can you go be nuts somewhere else?

            1. Hihn + thought < 0.

            2. So, John, why is Hihn stalking you?

            3. Show of hands. How many believe John that YOU have to show an ID when you write a check or use a credit card? (The other dude is just as crazy)

              Do NOT reply in words … the goober will say YOU are the lunatic. YOU have gone nuts.
              John Derangement Syndrome.

              For your next assignment, listen the next time Trump’s INSANITY is repeated on your TV and radio. He says, “Every time you buy groceries.” EVERY time.

              Now see the even crazier hateconstituion1789!!!

              He said groceries.

              (snort)

              I can buy smokes and alcohol at Kroger

              CAN?
              EVERY TIME?
              ALL OF US?.

              I would need ID for those purchases of non-food groceries.

              ONLY IF YOU ARE THE YOUNG PUNK WE’VE ALWAYS KNOWN YOU ARE! (sneer)

              You Reason staff and your TDS.

              The Derangement affect both sides,
              As a growing majority of Americans see libertarians have been CORRECT for 50 years,
              Left – Right = Zero

              Posted in defense of aggression … and as ridicule … in a Trumptard Safe Zone.
              How many will I “trigger” this time.

              (sneer)

              1. So are you saying that only young people need ID at the grocery store, and that old people don’t? Because in that case you’re conceding that yes, there are instances where you need ID at the grocery store.

                Speaking of which, why are you stalking John?

                1. NOW THEY’RE DROOLING

                  Giant Realistic Flying Tiger|8.1.18 @ 5:59PM|#
                  So are you saying that only young people need ID at the grocery store, and that old people don’t?

                  HE SAID TO BUY SMOKES AND AND ALCOHOL …. I EVEN PUT IT IN BOLDFACE FOR RETARDS!

                  ****CAN ____ YOU ____ HEAR ___ ME ____ NOW?

                  Because in that case you’re conceding that yes, there are instances where you need ID at the grocery store.

                  TRUMP SAID EVERY TIME!!! AND EVERYONE.

                  YOU are “conceding” that NOBODY looks 21 … and we ALL buy drugs and alcohol … EVERY TIME. (OMFG)

                  SEE them swarm like the cockroaches they are.
                  (sneer)

                  (also self-defense) (triggered HIM again) (There WILL be more) (cyber-bullies, by definition, don’t care how many witnesses)

                  1. Do you want me to point out the flaws in your argument or the flaws in your capitalization and punctuation first?

                    1. ****CAN ____ YOU ____ HEAR ___ ME ____ NOW?

                      (smirk) Is he deaf? Or psycho?
                      Both?

                      (There WILL be more) (cyber-bullies, by definition, don’t care how many witnesses)

                      Now, in raging fury, he actually proves me correct!

                      Giant Realistic Flying Tiger|
                      Do you want me to point out the flaws in your argument or the flaws in your capitalization and punctuation first?

                      DAMN. You got me. You merely need to PROVE
                      1) EVERYONE looks under 21
                      2) We ALL buy smoke and alcohol ….
                      3) EVERY trip

                      SEE them swarm like the cockroaches they are.

                      Still self-defense. Cyber-bullies are actually showing off for their fellow asshole. The craziest ones get a high-five and “GOOD ONE.”
                      Sick fucks. For their “holy” cause.

                      Left – Right = Zero

                    2. Alright. In that case, here’s the first flaw: you’re arguing that nobody has to show ID when making a purchase using a credit card or check (a claim implicit by the fact that the boldfaced “YOU”, referring to the reader, acknowledges that the reader could be anybody at all in the world), despite the fact that several people on this page point out that yes, there are instances where they do have to show ID to make a purchase, whether that’s because they need to prove they are “of age” to purchase alcohol or cigarettes or because of required two-step identity authentication for a credit card purchase. This claim of yours?that nobody has to show ID when they make a grocery store purchase?is therefore incorrect and proven wrong.

                    3. >>>>Giant Realistic Flying Tiger|8.1.18 @ 7:43PM

                      ANYONE WHO CLICKS YOUR LINK WILL SEE MOAR PROOF YOU ARE ONE SICK FUCK ON A TERROR RAMPAGE — AS I SAiD.

                      Here it is — no formattiNg — EXCEPT WHERE BOLD TO JAM UP YOUR SORRY ASS

                      Show of hands. How many believe John that YOU have to show an ID when you write a check or use a credit card? (The other dude is just as crazy)

                      Pay attention FUCKSTICK … how does that mean NOBODY does .. for a CREDIT CARD? … HOW MANY HANDS (SNEER)

                      Do NOT reply in words … the goober will say YOU are the lunatic. YOU have gone nuts.
                      John Derangement Syndrome.

                      For your next assignment, listen the next time Trump’s INSANITY is repeated on your TV and radio. He says, “Every time you buy groceries.” EVERY time.

                      .”Now see the even crazier hateconstituion1789!!!”

                      He said groceries.
                      (snort)

                      …………”I can buy smokes and alcohol at Kroger”

                      CAN?
                      EVERY TIME?
                      ALL OF US?.

                      …. “I would need ID for those purchases of non-food groceries.”

                      ONLY IF YOU ARE THE YOUNG PUNK WE’VE ALWAYS KNOWN YOU ARE! (sneer)

                      …… you Reason staff and your TDS
                      .
                      The Derangement Syndrome infects both sides,
                      As a growing majority of Americans see libertarians have been CORRECT for 50 years,
                      Left – Right = Zero

                      (SNEER)

                      Since you are TOTALLY retarded … and I never ridicule the handicapped (knowingly) …,

                    4. Tiger, just mark all of Hihn’s posts as spam.

                    5. Your second flaw is your refusal to acknowledge evidence that refutes your claims. While anecdotes are not evidence of a trend, when a statement that can be disproved with a single datea point is made, such as your statement above that strongly implies disbelief that anybody has to show proof of identity when making a two-step identification, anecdotal evidence is valid. Incidentally, you collect two instances of this anecdotal evidence and then deflect by claiming the people who pointed these instances out are “Trumptards” without any evidence to back this statement up. In other words, you make the argument that (1) anyone who disagrees with you is a Trumptard, (2) Trumptards lie, (3) anything a Trumptard says is a lie, and therefore (4), anything that goes against your argument is a lie. This insulates your arguments from being debated?but only because the circular logic they’re phrased in means that they must be accepted on faith, and that any arguments against them are lies.

                    6. Thirdly, I’d like to point out the flaw in your arguments that is your refusal to debate. Any question asked, no matter how diplomatically phrased, no matter how civilly posed, is treated by you as a personal attack. You treat any questioning of your views as the work of “cyberbullies and stalkers”. This makes any good-faith attempt at debate impossible, and makes attempts at mocking your views more effective, due to the fact that the arrogant and quite frankly rude way you have of expressing your opinions serves to not only tar you with a bad mark, but it also reflects poorly on the views you express.

                      I figure that’s a good rundown of the flaws in your arguments. If you like, I can provide feedback when it comes to your writing.

                  2. Funny you mention drooling. John says he refuses to engage you because you’re senile and he pities you. I think you’re off your meds, but still just a garden variety shitbag.

                    Which is it?

              2. TWO SO FAR! Triggered,

                **LIBERTYMIKE says HE must show ID when he pays with a check or credit card.

                **Giant Realistic Flying Tiger … (among THE MOST bat-shit crazy) … says HE must show ID when ge pays with a check or credit card.

                They travel in a pack. Like wild dogs.
                There WILL be more. Because Trumptards would even lie to defend Trump from murder … and they are proud … PROUD … that TRUMP says they have no morals, values or standards.

                feel the hatred of the Authoritarian Right.

                (Also self-defense from two more triggered aggressors)

                P.S. Trump just committed a crime — obstruction — in public — ORDERING Sessions to shut down the investigation. They’re ALL crazy.

                1. …so let me get this straight. You dismiss evidence that contradicts your point of view, stalk John, bring up an unrelated topic, and it’s everyone else who is crazy?

                  Child, go to preschool and learn to debate.

                  1. Bore defense of aggression by a Trumptard and bully from the Authoritarian Right (all three, same thing)

                    **Giant Realistic Flying Tiger … (among THE MOST bat-shit crazy) … says HE must show ID when he pays with a check or credit card.

                    …so let me get this straight.

                    (smirk)

                    You dismiss evidence that contradicts your point of view,

                    I RIDICULED your bat-shit-crazy claim that everyone must show ID to use a debit or credit card.

                    And I NOW add that YOU say YOU don’t look 21 either!!!

                    (I said the bullshit will continue. And this will trigger MOAR rage and punishment. Bullirs bully, That’s all they know))

                    (They KEEP attacking … which scrolls their original psycho lie out of view, “thinkling” that makes them believable)

              3. How many believe John that YOU have to show an ID when you write a check or use a credit card? (The other dude is just as crazy)

                *tentatively raises hand*

                Are we distinguishing ‘showing ID’ from establishing your identity or credentials? The local chain grocery stores require photo ID or membership status for checks because they pay change in cash and, unlike cash, a merchant can require you to provide proof of your identity and/or status as *the* cardholder for credit card transactions.

                You may think I’m being persnickety about these distinctions, but I do some work in the payment industry and have processed a transaction or two.

                1. ANOTHER ONE!!

                  (Emphasis added for the reading impaired)

                  John:
                  His point was you have to show an ID to pay for such whenever you write a check or use anything but cash.

                  Hihn
                  How many believe John that YOU have to show an ID when you write a check or use a credit card?

                  mad.casual
                  *tentatively raises hand*

                  THIS IS WHY I USE BOLD!

                  Are we distinguishing ‘showing ID’ from establishing your identity or credentials?

                  What did he say … in BOLD, TWICE?

                  The local chain grocery stores require photo ID or membership status for checks because they pay change in cash and, unlike cash, a merchant can require you to provide proof of your identity and/or status as *the* cardholder for credit card transactions.

                  1) Trump said EVERY time, for WE (everyone)
                  2) I do it every week … without an ID
                  3) YOU say I can charge and debit $1000 with NO ID … but need an ID for $5 cashback
                  4) And that EVERYONE gets a cashback.

                  but I do some work in the payment industry and have processed a transaction or two.

                  A clerical?
                  In THAT capacity … you NEVER see ANY of that. …
                  and the reason you gave is … Trumptardian.

                  (They will keep coming, like a pack of wild dogs … when the original fuckups are self-evident to non-Trumptards and anyone smarter than a box of rocks

                  1. What did he say … in BOLD, TWICE?

                    ‘He’ whom?

                    I *tentatively* raised my hand and started off with a question because between Trump, John, and yourself we’ve gone from ‘picture on a card’ and ‘show an ID to buy groceries’ show an ID to use a debit or credit card (which is itself an ID). My reservation was that you are right and that you don’t necessarily have to show a *photo* ID every time but that nobody had clearly or explicitly stated that. The only way you reach it explicitly is if you ignore the parts where Trump contradicts himself and/or assume his explicit intent was to contradict reality. Trump didn’t say you need a driver’s license to get in a car and drive to Kroger to buy groceries either, but it’s as true as “you don’t need an ID to buy eggs” is false.

                    It’s probably my fault for not having done it in bold and all caps and then selectively (mis)quoting in selective caps like Trump himself would do. Keep on, keepin’ on Hihn. You’ll lick TDS, or kick the bucket, someday.

                    1. but it’s as true as “you don’t need an ID to buy eggs” is false.

                      Sorry, it’s as true as “you need an ID to buy eggs” is false.

                    2. Hihn only accepts comments in internet ransom note form.
                      Anything else, and you might as well be typing Swahili

              4. ONLY IF YOU ARE THE YOUNG PUNK WE’VE ALWAYS KNOWN YOU ARE! (sneer)

                Every time I buy beer or wine at the supermarket I have to show photo ID and the clerk enters my birth year – 1948 – in the register. I certainly do not look like a young punk. I look like a 70 year old man.

                triggered by unHihnged (snort)

                I am trying to remember when I did not have to show photo ID at the polling place. It’s been the law where I live for so long, I really cannot see the objection to requiring photo ID.

            4. MAGA!

              1. CONNECT THE DOTS!

                loveconstitution1789
                1) Says HE must show ID to buy smokes and alcohol
                2) Admits he’s a young punk
                3) Trump said “EVERY TIME” for “WE” (everyone.)
                4) Says NOBODY looks 21 … and we ALL buy smokes and alcohol … every
                5) Says “MAGA” when he gets caught, red-handed,

                The IQ of a typical Trump troll

                1. CONNECT THE DOTS!

                  Michael Hihn
                  1) Engages in ageism, directing his prejudice against the young.
                  2) Admits he’s an old fart.
                  3) Types in boldface all the time.
                  4) Misrepresents people’s statements when he responds to them.
                  5) Explodes into accusations of “aggression” and “cyberbullying” when anyone asks him questions, no matter how delicately phrased.

                  Dumber than the average liberal troll!

                  1. CONNECT THE DOTS!
                    Michael Hihn
                    1) Engages in ageism, directing his prejudice against the young.

                    IT’S AGEISM TO RIDICULE HIM FOR SAYING EVERYONE MUST SHOW ID EVERY TIME

                    And PREJUDICE for telling the entire world that the Precious Snowfake doesn’t LOOK like an adult either. (sneer)

                    And defending his SAME fuckup every time I hurt his tender feelings. (Now 5, so far)

                    REPEAT: They do not care how crazy they look. They’re playing to their own pack of wild dogs. Like 12-year-old comparing their dicks .. which is WHERE the tin y dicks become bullies.

                    Still defense from serial aggression

                    1. They’re playing to their own pack of wild dogs. Like 12-year-old comparing their dicks ..

                      Are you married Hihn? Kids? Your wife must be a goddamned saint.

                      Also, on your page you say “This Wikipedia entry” and then link to a/the Libertarianism wiki that doesn’t include ‘Hihn’ anywhere on the page nor return any results when you search for the same.

                      Being clear, I’m not saying you’re a fake, I’m just saying that with all the additions to the Rogues Gallery this one link supposedly establishing your ID could use some polish.

                    2. Thank you. Wiki, by definition, can be updated by anyone, at any time. I shall correct. Immediately after clicking Submit.

                      They’re playing to their own pack of wild dogs. Like 12-year-old comparing their dicks ..

                      Are you married Hihn? Kids? Your wife must be a goddamned saint.

                      Fuck off.
                      The PROOF of what I predicted is over 50 unprovoked assaults ,.. most as stupid as yours just below (at 6:36)

                      And your response HERE also makes no sense..

                      Still posting in self-defense

                    3. Are you married Hihn? Kids?

                      Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

                      Hihn lives in a Medicare-funded nursing home with no family. When either the dementia or the brain cancer wins the race to finally complete his obsolescence his rotted corpse will go unclaimed and he’ll be buried by the state in a potters field and promptly forgotten.

                2. 4) Says NOBODY looks 21 … and we ALL buy smokes and alcohol … every

                  Actually, you need to look at the door or counter top of any gas station, smoke shop or grocery store tobacco section/department. They are required, by law, to have a sign stating that they card anyone under the age of 2*7*. You’ve got to be old enough to remember the debate about how 18 vs. 21 wasn’t an acceptable cutoff and so 27 was accepted as the magic number that guaranteed that everyone under 18 would be carded.

                  1. Now he ADMITS HE’S FUCKING PSYCHO!!!!

                    4) Says NOBODY looks 21 … and we ALL buy smokes and alcohol … every time

                    Actually, you need to look at the door or counter top of any gas station, smoke shop or grocery store tobacco section/department. They are required, by law, to have a sign stating that they card anyone under the age of 2*7*.

                    Says NOBODY looks 27 … and we ALL buy smokes and alcohol … every time

                    IQ TEST: How do they know anyone is under … (it varies) … BEFORE LOOKING?

                    1. They ask you for your ID if they think you’re underage.

                      The fact that you don’t realize this shows that you don’t have much common sense and you’re not very observant of the world around you.

                    2. **************************************** ONE MORE TIME .*********

                      They ask you for your ID if they think you’re underage.

                      ADMITS IT’S NOT EVERYONE (SNORT)

                    3. And you’re the one claiming it’s never asked of anyone. There’s a lot of grey area there.

                    4. I’ll say that it’s not everyone. But most people WILL be asked for ID at the grocery store at some time or another.

                      A lot of stores have policies that require ID for anyone who looks under 25,30,35 or 40. These aren’t the most consistently enforced policies, but they are enforced by some clerks, at least some of the time.

                      Many places ask for ID to use a credit card. This is in spite of card issuer policies that don’t allow for merchants to require ID.

                      It’s been a long time since I wrote a check at a store, but it was very rare to NOT be asked for ID when doing so.

                      When buying gift cards over a certain amount of money with a credit card, I’ve been required to show ID and they typed the number into the POS terminal.

                    5. In WA they have to ask for ID on liquor sales no matter what. Because WA is a blue state and our Liquor Comtrol Board are a bunch of totalitarian assholes.

                    6. MORE psychopathic hysteria bu Last of the Shitlords

                      In WA they have to ask for ID on liquor sales no matter what.

                      LIE
                      PROOF

                      Fiction:

                      State law requires the identification (ID) to be checked of anyone purchasing alcohol.

                      Fact:

                      There is no state law that requires licensees to check every patron’s ID. However, state law does prohibit licensees/employees from selling alcohol to anyone under the age of 21. In order to ensure alcohol is only being furnished to people over 21 years of age, ID should be checked for age verification of anyone appearing youthful.,/b>

                      …. If you are not sure check their ID. ,

                      THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!

                      Because WA is a blue state and our Liquor Comtrol Board are a bunch of totalitarian assholes.

                      THE ASSHOLE IS YOU

                      Washington has even privatized liquor sales. Go to Safeway instead of a state store,
                      PROOF

                      Did I NEED proof for this foul-mouth thug?

                    7. I’ll say that it’s not everyone

                      Glad you agree Trump had yet another bout with stupidity. and lost.

                    8. Do you rant and rave like this because you can’t control your shit? Or is it because your family hates you and dumped you off in some low end nursing home?

                      Have you considered hospice?

                    9. Hey Mikey, more bold text and all-caps please.

                      Also I like the (smirk) and (snort), please use them more frequently.

                    10. Fancylad
                      Hey Mikey, more bold text and all-caps please.

                      Only for ridicule, like here, and defense from unprovoked attacks.

                      Keep calling me Mikey, proving yourself so infantile.
                      (sneer)
                      (earned)

                3. Have a Trumptastic day, bitch.

                  1. Deer Lowered this thread is all Hihned up

        2. Write a check? At a grocery store? Is it 1993 again?

          1. Yes, some old people feel more comfortable with writing checks. They also probably dont have their bank accounts raided like the dipshit kids who tap their cards against a payment surface which just happened to be a skimmer.

            What kind of goober uses debit cards? Its stupid to let a thief have only one step to drain your bank account.

            1. Trump’s crazy fuckup, text and video

              “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

              “You” means everyone.
              “Anything” means …. anything at any time,
              “Groceries” means anything sold in a grocery store.

              NOT cigarettes and alcohol, anything.
              NOT younger folks, everyone.
              NOT just certain payment methods, any method.

              The White House has defended the statement.
              This does NOT mean Trump won’t revers himself again … and again .. in both directions … as Trumpsters defend EVERY version! … Because MAGA!

              Everyone MUST show a photo ID ,… on EVERY shopping visit to a grocery store … to buy ANY item.

              More crazy lies to “justify” photo ID for voting, based on the bullshit of massive voter fraud … that stole the popular vote from Trump.

      2. Hmm. I’m not aware of anyone who thinks of smokes and alcohol as groceries.

        1. Oh yeah, this was definitely a gaffe. The reaction of “wow Trump’s so stupid!” is more grating, though. Especially since (as with the example given of smokes and alcohol, which you can pick up with your groceries) there are instances where you do indeed need to show your ID at the grocery store.

          1. They sell FOOD at a grocery store? I never noticed.

          2. Giant Realistic Flying Tiger
            there are instances where you do indeed need to show your ID at the grocery store.

            Trump said ANYTHING, by ANYONE

            Trump’s crazy fuckup, text and video

            “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

            “You” means everyone.
            “Anything” means …. anything at any time,
            “Groceries” means anything sold in a grocery store.

            The White House has defended the statement.
            This does NOT mean Trump won’t revers himself again … and again .. in both directions … as Trumpsters defend EVERY version! … Because MAGA!

            Everyone MUST show a photo ID ,… on EVERY shopping visit to a grocery store … to buy ANY item. – President Retard J. Trump

            More crazy lies to “justify” photo ID for voting, based on the bullshit of massive voter fraud … that stole the popular vote from Trump.

        2. I put smokes and alcohol in my non-grocery cart.

          What should I collect these non-food items in at the grocery store?

        3. And Trump says we ALL buy them … EVERY TIME!

          1. And now you’re misrepresenting statements made by Trump.

            That’s a GAFFE, child!

            1. Now, he’s resorted to prevarication.

              Upthread, in his 6:05 post, Mr. Hihn asserts that I must show ID when I pay by check or credit card.

              All I posted was what is manifestly true: Michael Hihn + thought =

              1. Damn squirrels.

                Mr. Hihn falsely asserted that I said that I must show ID when I pay by check or credit card.

                Once again, Michael Hihn + thought = < 0

                1. TOO MUCH FUN!

                  LIBERTYMIKE DEFENDS WHAT HE SAID AS BEING :

              2. HOW crazy is Libertymike? (laughing too hard to type)

                Upthread, in his 6:05 post,

                WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

                I said. (also in bold)

                **LIBERTYMIKE says HE must show ID when he pays with a check or credit card.

                Now the new fuckup

                Mr. Hihn asserts that I must show ID when I pay by check or credit card.
                All I posted was what is manifestly true:

                Mr. Hihn STILL says you’re BAT-SHIT CRAZY to say EVERYONE needs an ID to use a credit card because YOU (alledgedy) do.

                Michael Hihn + thought =

                Not often that they make he SAME fuckup twice. While sneering self-righteously. (SNEER)

                IS HE STILL CONFUSED?
                Is he a Trumptard?

                STILL self-defense.
                Did I trigger the Precious Snowflake again?

                1. You’re the one claiming that nobody ever needs to use an ID when they pay by check or credit card. There is gray area between “nobody ever needs to” and “everyone always has to”, and ID is frequently required to make a purchase with a credit card or check.

                  (Incidentally, I notice you’ve dropped the “check” part from your argument.)

                2. Libertymike|8.1.18 @ 6:42PM|#
                  Damn squirrels.

                  BEND OVER!

                  At 6:40 Libertymike sneers and DEFENDS as him stating a MANIFEST TRUTH that HE needs to show ID when using a credit card … to “prove” that everyone must … and ridicules my intelligence.

                  TWO MINUTES LATER …. OMFG … He DENIES saying what he had just defiantly DEFENDED saying!! … and ridicules my intelligence.

                  So …. HE says the SAME thing can be TRUE and NOT TRUE .. at the same time … and only the totally mindless would disagree!

                  THE ODDS ARE 80% THAT HE WILL NOW DEFEND BOTH TRUE AND NOT TRUE.

                  Still self-defense.

                3. Wow asshole, guess you’re the only poster here that is allowed an opinion according to you.

                  Go away.

            2. And now you’re misrepresenting statements made by Trump.

              Bend over

              The truth JAMMED up your pathetic ass AGAIN! (sneer)

              “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

              Also a video for TOTAL retards.

              1. Nowhere in that video does Donald Trump state “we all buy cigarettes and alcohol when we go to the grocery store.” In fact, there’s nothing remotely close to that statement being made in that video. By the most charitable interpretation of your comments, I have to say…

                That’s a GAFFE, child!

                1. MOrE FUCKING PSYCHO

                  Giant Realistic Flying Tiger|8.1.18 @ 7:48PM|#
                  Nowhere in that video does Donald Trump state “we all buy cigarettes and alcohol when we go to the grocery store.”

                  THAT’S WHAT *I* SAID
                  WHEN HATECONSTUTION1789 USED THAT TO DEFEND TRUMP

                  1. That’s right, he never says “we all buy cigarettes and alcohol when we go to the grocery store.” You claimed he did, but the video evidence shows he does not. Should I expect you to admit you were wrong and go on your merry way?

                    1. THAT’S WHAT *I* SAID
                      WHEN HATECONSTUTION1789 USED THAT TO DEFEND TRUMP

                      That’s right, he never says “we all buy cigarettes and alcohol when we go to the grocery store

                      Thanks

            3. maga

        4. Actually, I know kind of a lot of people who define “groceries” as “the stuff you buy at the grocery store” – which, yes, does include cigarettes and alcohol. That list includes the US Government in their various calculations of standard ‘baskets of goods’ used to calculate inflation indices.

        5. Juice|8.1.18 @ 5:58PM|#

          Hmm. I’m not aware of anyone who thinks of smokes and alcohol as groceries

          Groceries: the plural of grocery; meaning the grocer’s wares.

          That would include every item for sale at the grocery (the grocer’s place of business).

          1. Trump’s wordfs, text with video

            “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

            “You” means everyone
            “Anything” means …. anything and at any shopping in a grocery store.
            “Grocery” means everything sold in a grocery store by definition.

            What Trump says DESERVES ridicule: “We all need to show a photo ID, when using a credit card to buy anything in a grocery store.”

            The White House has DEFENDED the statement.
            Trump MAY change his mind — several times — in both directions …as he so often does!

            Remember, this is to support the requirement of a photo ID when voting … based on his batisht crazy claim of massive voter fraud. In my state. comparing signatures is not enough????

            1. Well, no.

              Let’s fix it.

              “You” means everyone

              ‘You’ CAN mean ‘everyone’. It can also mean a general or specific individual. Or a general or specific group.

              “Anything” means …. anything and at any shopping in a grocery store

              Close– but ‘groceries ‘ was in the previous sentence. ‘Anything’ here means ‘anything’ and only refers to ‘groceries’ because they’re included in ‘anything’.

              . “Grocery” means everything sold in a grocery store by definition.

              And look, Michael! You got one right. That’s a personal best, isn’t it?

              But I do have some sad news, Michael.

              While that statement can be parsed out to mean nearly, well ‘anything’, if one has the mentality and emotional maturity of a 13 year old boy, most adults understand that Trump was saying, in his standard clumsy way, that ID is asked for at all manner of transactions–mostly trivial and mostly without complaint. Yet something important, like voting is treated as if it has less importance than a 22 year old having to show their ID to get into a strip club.

              It is very sad to see such huge swathes of this nation’s populace reduced to the mentality and emotional maturity of a 13 year old boy, but such is TDS.

              If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID. You go out, you want to buy anything, you need ID, you need your picture.”

              1. “You” means everyone

                ‘You’ CAN mean ‘everyone’ . It can also mean a a general or specific individual. Or a general or specific group.

                I crossed off your impossible suggestions,
                It was a public speech. To a group. Check the video I linked for you.
                It’s stupid to either specific group — the national audience, the rally, the regional TV and radio audiences, and any I can’t think of.

                “Anything” means …. anything and at any shopping in a grocery store

                Close– but ‘groceries ‘ was in the previous sentence. ‘Anything’ here means ‘anything’ and only refers to ‘groceries’ because they’re included in ‘anything’.

                I said both “and at”. “Anything” (literally) makes his stupidity even crazier — so thanks for pointing that out

                Anything else?

          2. “Groceries: the plural of grocery; meaning the grocer’s wares.

            That would include every item for sale at the grocery (the grocer’s place of business).”

            Lottery tickets are groceries. That’s why you can buy them with Food Stamps.

            1. Lottery tickets are groceries. That’s why you can buy them with Food Stamps.

              I say groceries ARE NOT JUST FOOD.

              Conservatard “thinks” that means we can buy lottery tickets with Food Stamps!
              Fry pans with Food Stamps!
              FLOOR WAX!!!
              DETERGENT!!!!

              They walk among us.
              And they VOTE!
              Mostly for Trump or Bernie

              Left – Right = Zero

              1. Lol. Try to keep track of the threading you senile old piece of shit. No part of the reply you quoted was directed at you.

                1. Why do you people even respond to Hihn? I ignore his bold and reply past his comments.

                  Hihn gets paid in loosies to be the last post.

                  Of course, ignoring him does seem to make him madder at me.

                  1. Giant Realistic Flying Tiger
                    there are instances where you do indeed need to show your ID at the grocery store.

                    Trump said ANYTHING, by ANYONE

                    Trump’s crazy fuckup, text and video

                    “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

                    “You” means everyone.
                    “Anything” means …. anything at any time,
                    “Groceries” means anything sold in a grocery store.

                    The White House has defended the statement.
                    This does NOT mean Trump won’t revers himself again … and again .. in both directions … as Trumpsters defend EVERY version! … Because MAGA!

                    Everyone MUST show a photo ID ,… on EVERY shopping visit to a grocery store … to buy ANY item. – President Retard J. Trump

                    More crazy lies to “justify” photo ID for voting, based on the bullshit of massive voter fraud … that stole the popular vote from Trump.

            2. James Pollock|8.2.18 @ 12:25AM

              Lottery tickets are groceries. That’s why you can buy them with Food Stamps.

              Actually no, the grocer is an agent of the state when distributing lottery tickets.
              The tickets are not the property of the grocer.

      3. He said “groceries” which could be interpreted as “bread and eggs” or “smokes and alcohol”. It all really comes down to whether or not you give him the benefit of the doubt.

        This may surprise you, but whether you give Trump the benefit of the doubt actually doesn’t matter to Trump or to politics.

        Politicians say things for all sorts of reasons. Trump uses hyperbole constantly. How do we know? He told us in his books. So, even if he were to say “you can’t even buy an apple without showing ID”, you’re free to wring your hands about how it isn’t literally true, it just makes you look stupid.

    2. You also should be asked for ID if paying with plastic.

      1. Barter, I will take a beer!

  5. I’m not sure many of Trump’s supporters will really care about his grocery gaffe.

    I assure you, it’s possible to hate many of his policies and still not really care about his “gaffe”.

    Sigh. You know, on the bright side, we haven’t discussed immigration all day. So there’s that.

    1. Politics aside, is there anything dumber than the media’s obsession with “gaffes”? People mispeak sometimes. If you like Trump and support his policies, you are not going to suddenly change your mind because he misspeaks while giving some example to prove his point. Even if this is what he said, so what? Is that supposed to change my opinion on voter ID laws? Oh, Trump said you needed an ID to buy milk, so I guess voter ID laws really are the RACIST!!

      I guess Tony and shreek were suddenly supposed to decide that Obamacare was a terrible idea because Obama said Austrians speak Austrian and not German.

      The whole thing is just idiotic and one of the better examples of why most of the country hates the media.

      1. If you like Trump and support his policies, you are not going to suddenly change your mind because he misspeaks while giving some example to prove his point.

        It’s not to persuade the opposition – it’s to solidify hatred for the Other among your own Team.

        1. BINGO!

          Both sides do it.

          Left – Right = Zero

      2. The whole thing is just idiotic and one of the better examples of why most of the country hates the media.

        I agree. The media might have better approval ratings than Trump if they weren’t so out of touch with the audience that they highlight gaffes which they see as proof he’s out of touch with the audience.

        Honestly, Trump won in part by understanding what’s going on in folks’ heads down here in the Unimportant Prole demographic better than his elite competition realized.

        1. Honestly, Trump won because of the number of people who wouldn’t vote for a Democrat under any circumstances, the number of people snowed by his B.S., and the number of people horrified by the prospect of President Rodham, all added together, was just high enough in enough states to counter the popular vote.

          1. all added together, was just high enough in enough states to counter the popular vote.

            39,000 voters in three state COMBINED,

            In the popular vote, a record-setting number of voters voted against Hillary, not FOR Trump.

            But the election was not swung by Russians, Wikileaks and Comey
            The Trump Tower meeting — that Trump LIED about — was his son, son-in-law and senior campaign staff. … because the Russians said they could give the Trump campaign “dirt on Hillary” …TO HELP HILLARY WIN! (wink, wink)

            1. Meanwhile Hillary’s campaign was literally paying money to Russians to compile the false information in the oppo dossier used by the Obama administration to spy on the Trump campaign. But yeah the Russians totally swung the election for Trump with $100,000 worth of Facebook ads in a nefarious behind-the-scenes deal. The evidence is coming out next week. Just like it has been for the last 2 years.

              I really hope the last thing on the TV in your nursing home right before the brain cancer eats out your last vestige of consciousness is Rod Rosenstein’s impeachment and Mueller’s resignation in disgrace.

              1. The Russians spent $1,000,000 per month in the final four months.
                The dossier was six months after the investigation began.

          2. popular vote

            People keep using this term.

            As if it means something.

            Since the inception of this nation the President has been elected via the electoral college.

            A candidate who campaigned for the popular vote–an unused metric– would have to be treated as if they were insane. People who held it up, likewise, would best be treated thus.

            1. -Axathoth
              popular vote
              People keep using this term.
              As if it means something.

              It means the votes cast by voterts. The one where he got his ass reamed. So you say it doesn’t even exist. If your team loses he Super Bowl, the game was still played.

              The electoral vote is the votes of the electors. BUT …. the electors in each state are determined by each state’s ………popular vote!

      3. Remember when a member of the media does not like a politician a gaffe is evidence of rank ignorance or stupidity. If they do like the politician a gaffe is evidence of a dedicated public servant working himself into a state of commendable exhaustion.

        1. Never liked Bush 41, but wasn’t surprised or outraged that he didn’t know the price of milk. Probably many married men don’t know that, especially now that they don’t put price labels on anything. Our current POTUS probably hasn’t done any “shopping” in decades.

          1. ” Our current POTUS probably hasn’t done any “shopping” in decades.”

            For example, he WAY overpays for sex with prostitutes. er, adult entertainers.

            1. For example, he WAY overpays for sex with prostitutes. er, adult entertainers.

              This is a fine example of ignorance masquerading as intelligence.

              Stormy Daniels fucked Trump freely and of her own will. As did the others whose pre-election payoffs are now coming to light.

              For FREE.

              Because he’s RICH

              The payoffs were so they’d keep their mouths shut.

              But they had sex with him not just voluntarily–but probably enthusiastically. FOR FREE.

      4. Obama wouldn’t have made a mistake or ‘gaffe’ either, he’d have been intentionally lying. The media is a disgrace.

    2. You know, on the bright side, we haven’t discussed immigration all day.

      I’ve be away for awhile. Is this still a thing?

      1. Less so. Reason seems to want to have five posts a day on tariffs and Trump’s trade war now, because people still wonder what their position on those things are or something.

        1. I would have said pot but we talked about that, and I wanted to avoid reproduction rights, it’s been a nice day.

        2. John is also the troll who says you have to show ID to write a check or use a credit card at a grocery store, on this very page. Nobody believes these folks — Trump himself said to not trust a word they say — said they’d even lie to defend him from murder.

          But this is how they huddle and give warmth to each other. Every time he fucks up, they scurry from the woodwork, like cockroaches, posting the absolute craziest excuses. As their Lord and Savior moves ever closer to being dragged from the oval office, in handcuffs, and Trump goes ever more unhinged

          Trump Derangement Syndrome, He’s been training them for many years to swallow even the craziest conspiracies. So … as more and more evidence piles up … as more and more offenses pile up … they see it as more proof of …. a conspiracy! THE SKY IS FALLING.

          TDS works in both directions.
          Left – Right = Zero

          1. Michael Hihn + thought = < 0.

            1. Michael Hihn + THOT = shouldausedacondom

              1. “Michael Hihn + THOT = shouldausedacondom”

                Probably best I don’t finish those lyrics. Not if I want to get my directing career off the ground at least.

            2. maga

          2. You do have to show ID to use a credit card sometimes. I’ve had to show ID myself to prove yeah, this is my credit card. I think it varies by store, but you actually do have to show a form of ID with your credit card on occasion. But of course, you wouldn’t notice that, would you, you inattentive child?

            1. but you actually do have to show a form of ID with your credit card on occasion

              Certain components of your personal ID and physical components of the card are hidden from the network “by law*”. This information is incorporated and/or provided “seemlessly” or opaquely so that it’s not clear that you’re identifying yourself. God to any gas station in the US, swipe your credit card at the pump and it will ask you for your zip code. Your zip code isn’t encoded in your card in any way. Providing it proves that you’re you the same way voting with an SSN or state license number in a given municipality would serve as bona fides.

              *In most states, you won’t be criminally prosecuted for ‘illegally transmitting card PINs’ as much as being found guilty of negligence or wire fraud.

            2. snort

              You do have to show ID to use a credit card sometimes.

              Slurp Trump’s cock much?

              Trump’s wordfs, text with video

              “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

              “You” means everyone
              “Anything” means …. anything and at any shopping in a grocery store.
              “Grocery” means everything sold in a grocery store by definition.

              What Trump says DESERVES ridicule: “We all need to show a photo ID, when using a credit card to buy anything in a grocery store.”

              The White House has DEFENDED the statement.
              Trump MAY change his mind — several times — in both directions …as he so often does!
              For his cult of nodding bobbleheads.

              Remember, this is to support the requirement of a photo ID when voting … based on his batisht crazy claim of massive voter fraud. In my state. comparing signatures is not enough????

              1. Trump meant to say that you WILL have to show ID to buy things at the grocery store. It’s on the MAGA list.

                Papers, please? Thank you, citizen. You may buy food.

            3. But of course, you wouldn’t notice that, would you, you inattentive child?

              Hihn has been in a nursing home sucking down your tax dollars on Medicare since MasterCard was Interbank. He has no fucking idea what’s going on. He just waits for the orderlies to bring his meals and change his bed pan.

          3. You DO have to show ID to write a check or use a credit card at a grocer store. For a check, the verification is almost always either your drivers license or a store card (which was itself issued after registering your drivers license). For a credit card, well, the credit card IS the ID card. It’s a form of ‘authentication based on a thing you have’.

            For that matter, credit cards require two factor authentication. Mine has my picture on the back. Most have a signature which the merchant must confirm against some other identification. Yes, many merchants are lazy and don’t make that second verification but all of them may demand that verification at will. You have no right or ability to demand that a store accept your credit card without providing ID when they ask for it.

            1. “For that matter, credit cards require two factor authentication.”

              They do not. Some card acceptors have implemented 2FA, to protect against fraud, but it is not part of the merchant agreement that they do so.

              ” You have no right or ability to demand that a store accept your credit card without providing ID when they ask for it.”

              You have no right or ability to demand that a store accept your credit card, period. Of course, some businesses will not accept your business unless you give them a valid card number… car rentals and hotels, for example, often demand card information even from people who intend to pay with cash.

              1. Sorry, James, but you’re just wrong. All cards use two-factor-authentication. They always have. Show me any card that doesn’t have either your picture or a signature block (or both) on the back of the card.

                And from a copy of a Visa merchant agreement, “Merchant shall examine the Bankcard’s security features (such as a hologram and signature panel) before accepting the Bankcard.”

                Okay, technically the card issuers will allow a non-signature-verified transaction. That’s how you can use your credit card to buy on the web. But a) the card issuer charges the merchants substantially higher fees for those transactions and b) merchants and card issuers both work to find other ways to verify your identity and minimize fraud. So online transactions are still multi-factor but admittedly different factors than are usual for in-person transactions.

                1. Sorry, James, but you’re just wrong. All cards use two-factor-authentication. They always have.

                  Sorry, Rossami, that’s not what he said

                  Show me any card that doesn’t have either your picture or a signature block (or both) on the back of the card.

                  Cute, but not what he said.

        3. Actually, it’s been a few days since tariff talk.
          Possibly because China is feeling the heat worse than we are (Xi recently shut down a newspaper?/nonprofit? because an op ed was critical of his handling of it, and their market isn’t trending too good), while other Asian nations are picking up manufacturers fleeing China

  6. You can’t go grocery shopping or pick up your dry cleaning when you’re constantly in a motorcade

    Actually, I’ve found it’s significantly easier.

    Hell, most of the time people just give me the stuff for free!

    1. If I need to pay for something, I just borrow money from my body guard.

      1. No, I’m tellin’ ya, I just drive up with my entourage on our motorcycles and the clerks just give us gas and scratchers for no charge! Sometimes they even give us money! I think having us around must just make them feel safer.

  7. Caption this in the comments

    And this is the face I make when I eat ketchup-covered well done steak.

    1. I like well-done steak with ketchup, but steak’s better if I pay attention and don’t overcook it, eliminating the need for anything other than fried onions and mushrooms.

  8. So what…..

    …..all I know is that

    Hillary Clinton will NEVER EVER be president and Bill will NEVER EVER be 1st male 1st lady.

    ahahahahhaaaa!!!!!

    Although I must admit I’d have enjoyed seeing Bill walking about with a dress or whatever the 1st male 1st lady wears.

  9. “Imagine someone destroys your car and then says I’ll give you a ride to the next place you need to go. Well gee, thanks,” farmer Mike Petefish told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune last week.

    I believe the saying is something about the government breaking your leg and then giving you a pair of crutches. But then again, he’s a farmer and there’s also a saying about scorpions and frogs so he can go to hell for all I care.

    And the only possible caption is “So Stormy was like ‘Whack, whack, whack’ and I was like ‘Ooh, ooh, ooh’ and Cohen was like ‘Hey, I haven’t finished reading that yet!’ “

  10. I work with farmers and ranchers daily. Most I have spoken to are worried about the tariffs but also feel that we need to address unfair trade practices that Canada, China and the EU commonly practice. They are basically conflicted. The support Trump trying to do something but also are worried about it’s impact on their operations. However, I haven’t met one yet who voted for Trump who isn’t still willing to vote for him. And as long as the best the Democrats can do is Harris or Warren, I doubt that will change anytime soon.

  11. I get it. I had to show my ID at the grocery store the other day, when I used a credit card. It’s pretty common at all kinds of stores. I guess that’s too abstract for some people to figure out, hence a “gaffe”. The fact is, that if you go to a grocery store, you ought to bring your ID because you could very well need it. And if you drive, you’d better be ready with your ID in case you get pulled over. Is any of that more important than voting? (Cue debate on the usefulness of voting).

    Re: tariffs, I’m willing to admit that I have no idea if it will be good or bad in the long run. I’m willing to admit that I’m ignorant of the economic data shown to the Chief Executive and his minions, which presumably informs their decisions and their feeling that we are getting a raw deal. But I’ve done enough complex project management to know one thing for sure: the average person believes that there is no good reason for any management decision that they were not a part of making. People mistake their inability to find out the reasons for things, for there being no reasons. People are, by and large, poor managers of complex issues. Or maybe they are just dumb and inexperienced.

    1. I guess that’s too abstract for some people to figure out

      I guess you have no shame. None at all. As a puppet on a string

      Trump’s wordfs, text with video

      “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

      “You” means everyone
      “Anything” means …. anything and at any shopping in a grocery store.
      “Grocery” means everything sold in a grocery store by definition.

      What Trump says DESERVES ridicule: “We all need to show a photo ID, when using a credit card to buy anything in a grocery store.”

      The White House has DEFENDED the statement.
      Trump MAY change his mind — several times — in both directions …as he so often does!
      For his cult of nodding bobbleheads.

      Remember, this is to support the requirement of a photo ID when voting … based on his batisht crazy claim of massive voter fraud. In my state. comparing signatures is not enough????

      1. Back in Hihn’s day all you had to do to verify your eligibility to vote was show the poll worker your tiny white pecker.

      2. Wrong, Hihn. I went into the grocery store and put a penny in the gumball machine and had to show my drivers license and passport and birth certificate. So there!

        1. maga

    2. If it is not an insurmountable burden for me to show photo ID when required
      (a) to buy beer or wine at the supermarket
      (b) to buy ammunition at WalMart
      (c) to vote at the polling place
      (d) to buy a firearm at a gunshop
      why is it a big deal to require photo ID to vote?

      1. why is it a big deal to require photo ID to vote?

        He told a gigundous lie.
        There are much easier ways. In my state, the poll checkers compare my signature at the polls, with a graphic of it in their registration rolls Does every jurisdiction in America have the voter’s signature? Do you not know how easy it is to fake an photo ID/

        The ONLY large-scale frauds have been in the act of registering.

  12. re: ID to buy groceries…

    He kind of has a point. Consider:
    – if your grocery cart includes any alcohol, cigarettes, certain drugs (even if they’re technically over-the-counter) and a couple other categories of products, you have to provide ID.
    – if you want to pay with anything other than just cash (and who carries that anymore), you have to provide ID.
    – if you want any of the store discounts, you either have to provide ID (the store’s discount card) or provide enough personal information that they can confirm your ID (and find your card number).

    I can duck into the store to buy a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread without ID but for more any serious trip to the grocery store, I’m going to have to provide one form of ID or another.

    1. He kind of has a point.

      Again, given liberal reinterpretation of what he said to ‘you have to have an ID to buy eggs’ you can certainly arrive at ‘you have to have an ID to drive to the grocery store or gas station to buy groceries (or whatever)’ which is both true and jives with the intent of the more cogent point about voter IDs.

      The ‘you have to have an ID to buy eggs’ means Trump is dumb interpretation is willful, trivial, and needlessly spiteful. Slightly less idiotic and pedantic as someone saying verbally, ‘4… 40 percent’ and recanting it as 440%.

      Trump: “We should have IDs to vote; the same way we buy groceries.”
      Response: “Trump’s such a moron he thinks people vote to buy groceries.”
      Lots of the rest of us: “What. a. fucking. joke.”

      1. Blowhards babble back and forth .. on things they know nothing about … and don’t care

        Trump’s wordfs, text with video

        “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

        “You” means everyone
        “Anything” means …. anything and at any shopping in a grocery store.
        “Grocery” means everything sold in a grocery store by definition.

        What Trump says DESERVES ridicule: “We all need to show a photo ID, when using a credit card to buy anything in a grocery store.”

        The White House has DEFENDED the statement.
        Trump MAY change his mind — several times — in both directions …as he so often does!
        For his cult of nodding bobbleheads.

        Remember, this is to support the requirement of a photo ID when voting … based on his batisht crazy claim of massive voter fraud. In my state. comparing signatures is not enough????

        1. Who gives a fuck? Other than you?

          We get it. You hate Trump. Now fuck off. Your posts are just copy/paste spam. And I’m encouraging everyone to mass report them as such tomget rid of them. And get rid of you.

          You just rant. No one respects you, or pays the slightest bit of attention to any actual argument you might have. You are loathed and treated as an annoying joke here.

          Move on, “Hihn”.

          1. (boldface in self-defense of yet another unprovoked assault by a raging cyber-bully)

            Trumptard is pissed …. PISSED … when I post PROOF ,.. with a link … including the VIDEO of Trump making a total ass of himself … again … in his own voice ,.. from his own pie face

            Over 80% the readers in any online forum never comment.
            They are the libertarians.
            That’s who I write for.
            The more of YOU that hate me, the prouder I am.

            Left – Right = Zero.
            Two shrinking tribes … ignore by most AMERICANS, in — you know — the REAL world.

            (sneer)

            1. I MAKE UP 173% OF THE STATISTICS THAT I POST IN BOLD AND COPY/PASTE INTO EVERY THREAD

              RON PAUL IS A CHRISTIAN TALIBAN!

              943% OF LIBERTARIANS REJECT THE LABEL!!!!!!!! CATO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              OMG I’M SHITTING MY PANTS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              (bold because I’m 87 years old and my eyes have been shot since I was in my 60’s)

              1. Awesome

              2. (bold because I’m 87 years old and my eyes have been shot since I was in my 60’s)

                The proof is linked here. Video, Trump’s own words

          2. maga

        2. wordfs
          Hihn has posted this typo four times so far with:

          (a) link to a source that quotes Trump as saying: “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID. You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.” Then in Hihn Bold:

          (b) What Trump says DESERVES ridicule: “We all need to show a photo ID, when using a credit card to buy anything in a grocery store.” (there is no match to credit card in that linked source)

          I would take that as evidence of cut’n’paste w/o spell check and I suspect quote (b) has a different source.

          1. JAM the truth up Trump’s ass …. so his precious snowflake WHINES about my spelling. (lol)
            PLUS … fucks up as badly as Trump.!

            l(b) What Trump says DESERVES ridicule: “We all need to show a photo ID, when using a credit card to buy anything in a grocery store.” (there is no match to credit card in that linked source)i

            Do Trump’s words mean we need a photo ID to use a credit card? YESSSSSS … linked to PROOF

            The “source” is …… ME … who ALWAYS links to proof if there’s a source …..

            Inside a blockquote

            .And it was the CONCLUSION to what t had FULLY explained just above it!!!

            The credit example was to ILLUSTRATE how fucking stupid he is, on somethIng all of us do regularly.
            Do YOU need a photo ID every time YOU use a credit card, Naaman?

            Anything else?

    2. Or pay cash. I hate waiting behind someone using a credit card to buy a pack of gum.

    3. He said buy “anything”

  13. I’m opposed to Trump’s trade wars, but let’s remember that some of these farmers are subsidized to the sky by the federal government. They had no qualms about getting federal handout before the trade war.

    We all want free market instead of bailouts. But that means American farmers have to compete with imports not hit with tariffs.

    If Trump ends the trade war (which he should) we only go back to the status quo. Trump said he favors trade with no tariffs, but I don’t how serious he’s about this.

    1. Trump said he favors trade with no tariffs, but I don’t how serious he’s about this.

      Serious enough to start a trade war to get it.

      1. It’s bullshit. More bullying that will fail. For his cult. He’s caved on ALL his threats so far, and FAILED to negotiate anything. So he’ll cave on this. He already has, buty you may have missed it.

        Our tariffs average 3.5%. Theirs average around 20% The math is elementary.
        No tariffs would reduce OUR prices 20% … but their prices only 3.5%.

        Would YOU sign a deal where the other side gets everything and you get nothing?

        He keeps screaming that everybody else is a pussy, for making deals that are win-win.
        HE bellows that HE will make win-lose deals, where only he wins.
        Don’t hold your breath.

  14. The media jumped on the gaffe, because it was funny and because it made him seem out of touch. But in the same speech Trump said something just as stupid and far more consequential, and it got much less attention. Dismissing worries about his tariffs, Trump claimed that farmers have reacted to China’s retaliatory trade barriers by saying “it’s OK, we can take it.”

    You’re taking standard politician-speak?hell, standard salesman-speak?as an error. It’s like when he was in Scotland & said people there were for Brexit. Of course a politician, or anyone trying to sell anything, is going to select those who agree w hir to refer to. This is not stupid, it’s not out of touch, it’s standard. They do it in the Libertarian Party in spades!

  15. Q: How many psychotherapists does it take to change a diaper?

    A: Only one, but the diaper really has to WANT to change.

  16. Shucks, back in 1872 they called voter disenfranchisement Reconstruction. The trick elected Ulysses S. Grant to office and he signed the Comstock Laws turning the postal monopoly into a prohibitionist crusade for censorship. Those laws banned condoms, diaphragms, all other birth control, pictures of mammary glands… If a parent were to write to a son or daughter in college recommending birth control methods, that letter was a “misdemeanor” good for up to 10 years on a chain gang. Today’s mystical conservatives can think off little else besides reviving these laws–laws that were still enforced during the Herbert Hoover administration.

    1. Go fuck yourself.

      1. is anyone surprised that “Shitlord” means bigot?
        And he’s proud to be among the least of them? Trump’s core base is bigger than he may think.
        He is that guy who, back in Junior High would say “shit” and giggle

        He does hate me, which is a highlight in my life. Not a major achievement, but still one to be proud of.

      2. Remember “Hank Phillips” was the skipper of the Maersk Alabama. The idiot allowed pirates in a small boat to board his ship. When all he had to do was move the ship.

    2. Those laws banned condoms, diaphragms, all other birth control, pictures of mammary glands

      Yeah no. No they didn’t. They banned mailing those articles. They did not ban their production or distribution through other commercial means. And literally no one today besides you cares one little rat fart about Comstock laws or bringing them back. Ironically enough the only people remotely interested in the kind of censorship you perpetually assure us is always one Republican elected official away from becoming reality is the extreme left wing of your Democratic party. Which is perfectly in keeping with the traditions of the Progressive Era and its impact on the Democratic party from Wilson onward.

    3. Shucks, back in 1872 they called voter disenfranchisement Reconstruction

      The only people who “disenfranchised” minorities were Democrats. Same as today, actually.

  17. So now the Evangelicals are singing the praises of having us all carry IDs. Funny how up is down and left is right. They probably have not thought all of this through. I’m sure they have some nuanced argument how government issued IDs is some kind of huge violation of their freedom and yet we all need to have IDs to vote and prove our citizenship. Do they think that people will magically know they are citizens and somehow they will be allowed to not show an ID?

    1. The…..’evangelicals’……o—-kay.

      Any other messages from your tin foil hat?

  18. I’ve been asked for my ID at the grocery store and pharmacy pretty often. Any credit transaction over $100 would trigger an ID check at the latter.

    It’s possible that Trump has never bought groceries himself in the last decade, but also possible that he’s making another sloppy analogy. In practice most people do have to bring ID to buy groceries. The alternative would be to always pay cash or keep their purchases under $100, and just leave the stuff and walk out if they’re asked for ID, but most people won’t/can’t/don’t.

    If you view voting as a sacrosanct right that should never be inconvenienced even slightly, then voter ID laws are horrid. But Trump seems to be taking the familiar Republican line: ‘Aw come on guys, how hard is it to get your sh*t together and register and show up at the polls with the ID you bring with you everywhere else on every other day of the year?’

    1. I’ve been asked for my ID at the grocery store and pharmacy pretty often. Any credit transaction over $100 would trigger an ID check at the latter.

      So you agree Trump had a MASSIVE blunder. He says we all need a photo ID to buy “anything”

      Trump’s words – text and video/a>

      “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

      “You” means everyone.
      “Anything” means …. anything and at any purchase in a grocery store.
      “Groceries” means anything sold in a grocery store.

      The White House has defended the statement.
      This does NOT mean Trump won’t reverse himself again … and again .. in both directions … as Trumpsters defend EVERY version! … Because MAGA!

      Everyone MUST show a photo ID ,… on EVERY shopping visit to a grocery store … and to buy ANY item. – President Donald J. Trump

      More crazy lies to “justify” photo ID for voting, based on the bullshit of massive voter fraud … that stole the popular vote from Trump. /sarc

    2. The chip credit cards or cash require no such ID. Other than alchohol which is always amusing given the grey in the beard, never asked for an ID.

      Don’t know where you shop. Not once have I been asked for ID to buy food.

      Trump does not shop and does not make food. He never has. He has people for that.

      The amusing part is he sold himself as anti elite. Good trick there.

  19. I think the weirdest thing about this ‘gaffe’ IS that it’s only a gaffe if you twist your head into the weird interpretation that Hihn’s using.

    They’re all saying that Trump said that every single person, any time they buy groceries–or anything else has to show photo ID.

    And it can, absolutely, be read that way. As long as you abandon discernment, context, and any previous awareness of how the man talks.

    And that’s what they’re all doing! And acting as if it’s the normal thing to do!

    I have been asked, from time to time, for my ID in various stores–including grocery stores, for various reasons. This happens. Most people are aware that this happens. This is a simple fact.

    The process is so common that we have various shorthand, widely understood terms for it–‘getting carded’. There are even feelings of sadness associated with the time when one is no longer asked for ID for age related issues.

    To pretend that none of this exists for the sole purpose of farcially shouting ‘fool’ at someone is madness.

    Absolute madness. On the Hihn level.

    And yet, there it is, all through Reason, all across our media.

    Madness.

    1. Azathoth
      They’re all saying that Trump said that every single person, any time they buy groceries–or anything else has to show photo ID.

      Trump’s words – text and video

      “If you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card, you need ID,” he said at the event at the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa. “You go out and you want to buy anything, you need ID and you need your picture.”

      “You” means everyone.
      “Anything” means …. anything and at any purchase in a grocery store.
      “Groceries” means anything sold in a grocery store.

      Everyone MUST show a photo ID ,… on EVERY shopping visit to a grocery store … and to buy ANY item. – President Donald J. Trump

      Mostly only those who MAY look to young to buy alcohol and cigarettes. And ONLY those purrchases.
      Excludng that, 80-90% of all purchases need NO ID.

      More crazy lies to “justify” photo ID for voting, based on the bullshit of massive voter fraud … that stole the popular vote from Trump.

  20. Not sure Trump made a gaffe here. He has been pushing hard on outreach to poor urban communities and the ID could have been a reference to EBT/SNAP cards which typically have a picture or require photo ID.
    As does paying with a check at the grocery store also always requires ID.
    As does inclusion of tobacco, alcohol, Sudafed, etc with your groceries.

    It’s probably more an indication of the cluelessness of his critics.

  21. Trump achieved exactly what he set out to achieve, namely to get people thinking about all the places they do and do not need ID, thereby getting people to think about the absurdity of opposition to voter ID laws.

    He’s a big boy; he can deal with the fact that CNN and Reason accuse him of making a “gaffe” over his statement; he wouldn’t be as successful as he is without this silly outrage machine. So, keep up the good work Reason, and keep supporting Trump!

  22. Trump was right. His base will defend him of even murder, so we should never believe a word they say. He was testing them. Could Trump call them human vermin,.totally devoid of morals or conscience, publicly, and STILL enjoy their adoration?.

    YES! The very core of his base.

    We can almost predict when and where they will appear, scurrying like cockroaches to defend the beloved blowhard who shares their voice

    The Authoritarian Right = The Authoritarian Left.
    Now competing for the shrinking number of zealots, fanatic and haters they hold, combined..

    That’s why God created libertarians. He grimly recalls this level of satanic evil years ago. But earth’s population is now too large to again flood the planet.

    Organizing libertarians is like herding cats, so He gave them a test. They’d have to first see the same rot, lies and raging hatred in their own tribe. And …. praise God … they DID! 91% of them refuse to be called libertarians, so they can more easily spread their values across the land. over 60% and growing, but still searching for a common voice and identity … because they draw BOTH left and right.

    As originally, God’s waiting to send His Savior. But for the shrinking number of haters and blowhards in both major tribes, their End of Times draws nigh.

    THIS time, there will be no flood. This time, humans will save themselves. And He is pleased.. The final battle is between two assholes, both bellowing loudly.

    The Donald and The Bernie.

    1. Trump was right. His base will defend him of even murder, so we should never believe a word they say.

      No, you should never believe a word Trump or any other politician says. It’s authoritarians and technocrats who pretend that politics is about truth. You know: evil pricks like you who pretend so hard to be libertarians (“John Galt”) while actually just trying to sabotage libertarianism.

      Actual libertarians recognize Trump’s rhetoric for what it is: an above average use of political speech for achieving his ends. Recognizing that isn’t “defending Trump”. However, in this case, Trump’s aim is to get people to support voter ID, which, as a libertarian, I have no problem with.

      The Authoritarian Right = The Authoritarian Left.

      Yes, fascists and communists are basically the same. You should know: you’re a propagandist for them. Go back to hell.

      1. Readers will judge for themselves which is the real libertarian.

        They will also judge for themselves which is true (if they care)
        a) Your claim that I “defended” both left and right simultaneously,
        b) My intent to “attack” them both as “shrinking” and each a “satanic evil.”

        Could I have “defended: both more strongly by instead describing them as “retarded cocksuckers who should be hung?”

        “Go back to hell.”

        NAP

        If I was a betting man, I’d bet that your rage comes from being on the right, while I say your tribe’s value is equal to the left’s tribe. Wild guess, gambler that I am.

  23. Seriously?

    Trump obviously didn’t LITERALLY mean you have to show ID to buy eggs. He’s intentionally being over the top basically saying you have to have ID for like PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING. It’s exaggeration to make a point, and anybody who isn’t a moron should see that. If he had said “Oh jeez, I mean come on, you gotta show your ID to just cross the street!” Would you think he said you ACTUALLY have to show ID to use a cross walk? Obviously not. That would have been too clearly ridiculous, but this to me is just as obvious.

    TDS is a funny thing. There’s so much to actually bitch about, and people go off about stuff like this. LOL

  24. “Trump obviously didn’t LITERALLY mean you have to show ID to buy eggs”

    The White House has explicitly refused to say what you believe.

    “It’s exaggeration to make a point, and anybody who isn’t a moron should see that.”

    I agree the White House has many morons/

    1. When you don’t require voter ID, even the dead vote! Now we even have the dead posting on Hit $ Run.

      REASON should institute a policy requiring valid picture ID for all posters!

      1. I’m not dead . I sign in the book. They compare with my signature on file, Two people are watching, I assume each party. There’s no evidence of dead voters, or the President’s claim of millions of illegal votes.
        And he lied.

        1. David Nolan is dead. You are a fake.

  25. The fact that Mike Petefish’s comment is so far from Minnesota Nice suggests that Trump is in trouble in farm country.

  26. I don’t think “Reason” contributors/staff have ever understood why fair trade practices are important for an open market economy as is suppose to exist in America. Sure, they understand the benefits of free markets from a consumer point-of-view but they fail to take ownership or understand the utter failures of unfair trade practices in the production industries. These utter failures have caused American markets to see sharp declines in manufacturing production while only seeing gains in the consumer related industries (i.e. Service, financial, etc.) As a result America’s economy is tremendously unbalanced and even the successful areas of the markets have become very volatile to corrections.

    Trump seems to be trying to stop this imbalance from unfair trade policy. Sure, it will be painful for some businesses but that’s only because those business have been reaping the rewards of open markets in their specific areas of business while at the same time a lot more business have suffered and even failed because their markets aren’t open across national borders. So if farmers have to take a hit for a while to bring reality to those that are taking advantage of America’s economy, so be it! They’re lucky that they had it so good for so long and now they have to do what’s right for the rest of America. If they don’t want the help in the form of grants from the federal government they don’t have to take them. Good luck with that.

    1. If Trump’s trade tactics work it will be better for America in the long run! And it should work because China, and other countries, have a lot more to lose than U.S. as a Capitalistic economy can always adapt to changing market conditions, whereas, socialist and communist economies have consistently shown they cannot and depend on America’s capitalistic economy for their survival.

  27. “but not for the reason you think!” You being stupid and all.

    A classic no-reason-to-read and fuck-you-too headline.

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