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Fighting Back Against FOSTA: Reason Roundup

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"FOSTA has had an entirely predictable chilling effect." The groups challenging the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2017 (FOSTA) just filed a new motion in reply to the government's efforts to get a quick ruling in its favor. Tomorrow, they will appear before a federal court and seek to temporarily block FOSTA from being enforced.

Their motion urges the court not to trust Department of Justice (DOJ) assertions that folks "need not fear application of FOSTA's open-ended terms and draconian penalties." This "utterly ignores a history of Internet regulation that includes overly broad and unconstitutional efforts to regulate speech," argue lawyers for plaintiffs Woodhull Freedom Foundation, Human Rights Watch, massage therapist Eric Koszyk, sex worker rights activist Alex Andrews, and The Internet Archive (aka the WaybackMachine, a national treasure).

"FOSTA is even more extreme" than most attempts at online speech regulation, they say.

The new law—sold as a way to stop underage sex trafficking but in reality a federal ban on any online content that "facilitates" or "promotes" prostitution—took effect in April and "impos[es] more severe criminal penalties than ever, and pil[es] on redundant layers of potential civil liability while simultaneously stripping away immunities," states the new motion. "Although the Government suggests (repeatedly) that FOSTA reaches only speech that advertises illegal activity, the Act by its plain terms extends far more broadly."

Already, "FOSTA has had an entirely predictable chilling effect," says the new motion, "and as such it causes both injury-in-fact that gives Plaintiffs standing to challenge it, and First Amendment violations that constitute irreparable harm."

Read the whole thing on the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF) site. EFF is one of several groups representing the plaintiffs in this case, Woodhull Freedom Foundation et al. v. United States, along with Daphne Keller, Walters Law Group, and the law firm of Davis Wright Tremaine.

The suit was first filed in June.

On Thursday, EFF will attempt to persuade a federal judge to temporarily block enforcement of FOSTA as the case plays out. "The hold is needed, in part, to allow plaintiff Woodhull Freedom Foundation, a sex worker advocacy group, to organize and publicize its annual conference, held August 2-5," said EFF in a press release.

FREE MINDS

New rules for nonprofit donor info. The IRS is easing up on reporting requirements for nonprofits "that spend money to influence elections but are not required to disclose donors to the public—called 'dark money' groups by critics," note Michelle Ye Hee Lee and Jeff Stein at The Washington Post.

"The decision was immediately heralded by free-speech advocates who have long sought to protect donors' private information," write Lee and Stein. "But it was rebuked by those who want to reduce the role of money in politics, who claim it would make U.S. elections more susceptible to anonymous foreign donations."

Under the new Treasury Department rule, these groups are no longer required to disclose donor names and addresses in their federal tax filings.

FREE MARKETS

"An almond doesn't lactate, I will confess." That's U.S. Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb speaking at Politico's Pro Summit in D.C. yesterday. Gottlieb is lending support to a silly plan by dairy companies hoping to quash the popularity of almond milk and its ilk by banning these nut-based drinks from calling themselves milk. Gottlieb isn't going that far, but he did announce that he will introduce a new FDA guidance document that could put new limitations on nut-milk labeling.

Gizmodo is attempting to portray it as some sort of uniquely Trumpian "gift [bestowed] upon Big Dairy," but the crony politics behind dairy labeling knows no partisan bounds. Last year, Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin sponsored a similar proposal called the DAIRY PRIDE Act.

FOLLOW-UP

Trump goes all Jabberwacky on Russia response. President Trump has walked back his earlier statements on Russia, in which he said during a press conference that he couldn't see why people thought Russia had interfered in the election. "I don't see any reason why it would be Russia" were Trump's words then. But on Tuesday evening, the president told NBC News: "I said the word 'would' instead of 'wouldn't.'"

"The sentence should have been: 'I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be Russia,'" Trump continued. "Sort of a double negative. So you can put that in and I think that probably clarifies things."

But in predictable Trump fashion, this circular concession didn't sit well and Trump soon returned to being all in with the Russia positivity, tweeting early Wednesday morning that "the meeting with Russia may prove to be, in the long run, an even greater success" than his recent NATO meeting and "many positive things will come out of that meeting."

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  1. An almond doesn’t lactate, I will confess…

    Hopefully GMO’s will change all that.

    1. Hello.

      Agree.

    2. I once knew a stripper named “Almond”…..I’ve said too much

      1. No. Please continue the limerick.

        1. There once was a stripper named “Almond”
          Whose nipples were hard like a diamond
          I won’t tell a lie, when she poked out my eye
          I sent her ass back to Holland

        2. I once knew a woman named Almond
          I took her to lunch to eat salmon
          When we got back to her place
          I dropped my drawers and she laughed in my face

          And now I hate all things Almond

          1. Mounds….

            1. Yours is better. I concede

    3. And according to federal regulations, the only thing defined as “milk” is that white stuff that comes from a cow.

      1. Sheep and goats hardest hit

      2. Well, there goes my scheme to start a human “milk” dairy for Brooklyn hipsters. There would’ve been an associated doogh bar where they could cuddle turtles and plan the next kickball game.

        I’d have made hundreds.

  2. Ideally, feminists engage in fewer drone assassinations, but, you know. https://t.co/iVwIfwRolK
    ? Lucy Steigerwald (@LucyStag) July 18, 2018

    And NOW kept Bill Clinton in its nice list. Feminists might not be the most rational of creatures.

    1. “That’s not funny!”

    2. The rehabilitation of L*cy continues, but slowly.

    3. Feminists are exactly the same as men except they are better.

  3. I don’t think the US media has ever been nuttier than they are right now. It would be comical if it wasn’t so dangerous. They are harming the national psyche in a profound way
    ? Michael Tracey (@mtracey) July 18, 2018

    Agree? It’s hard to tell because in the past there was no real wide market for news for comparisons.

    1. What is a “national psyche”, and what instrument does one use to gauge it?

      1. Psychrometer of course. Compare your wet bulb to your dry bulb.

      2. Why, the national psyche is part of the fabric of society!

      3. The psyche is monitored by an analyst and treated by a therapist, so you you appoint a committee of anal-rapiists to determine when the national psyche has suffered any trauma.

        To prevent their meetings from causing false alarms they always enter through the back door.

    2. Disagree.
      Look at “yellow journalism” in th 19th century.

      There was a time in living memory when you subscribed to the local paper that backed your party.
      Radio was only slightly less party affiliated.

      “Objective journalism” is a fantasy. We used to know that and not be bothered.

    3. Michael Tracey and Glenn Greenwald are Russian plants, because we live in profoundly stupid times and our foreign affairs news divisions are beyond disgraceful in their ignorance

    4. Disagree. You’re assuming the consequences of their behavior are unintentional. It’s not “nutty” to throw a temper tantrum and start tearing the place up if you don’t get your way if throwing a temper tantrum and tearing the place up helps you to get your way. Two-year olds know this, they have to learn the hard way that bad behavior gets punished and unfortunately too many people have never been taught that lesson.

  4. President Trump has walked back his earlier statements on Russia, in which he said during a press conference that he couldn’t see why people thought Russia had interfered in the election. “I don’t see any reason why it would be Russia” were Trump’s words then. But on Tuesday evening, the president told NBC News: “I said the word ‘would’ instead of ‘wouldn’t.'”

    Given that one of his first meetings with the intel community was to provide coverage for the media to report on the much-debunked Steele dossier — why should Trump trust them AT ALL?

    THEY are the ones trying to engage in a coup. The intel community. The ones who were paranoid that Russia was interfering in an election and did jack shit. The same intel community that trusted a third party to tell them what was on the DNC server instead of checking themselves. The same intel community headed by John Fucking Brennan and James Fucking Clapper for years.

    How can ANYBODY trust anything they think or believe at this point?

    1. Come on, now — You’ll hurt morale.

    2. What I don’t get is the narrative that not believing the intel agencies is now equal to treason. Following that logic, Bush had no alternative but to believe the intel that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, regardless of the truth. Otherwise, Bush would be aiding Saddam and it would have been treason.

      1. Bush didn’t believe the intelligence agencies and changed the process to get the answer he wanted. Then, he made statements that were not backed by the intelligence we had at the time. It was a crime, because he did not follow the intelligence at any point in the process.

        At this point it’s history.

        1. George Tenet: “This is a slam dunk”.

          You seem to be rewriting history (and badly, at that). No one from the CIA or FBI voiced opposition to the intelligence until things started to go sour in Iraq.

          1. The classified versions delivered to the politicians told a different story.

            It’s not the intelligence agency’s fault that the politicians misused the reports. They work for the executive. They delivered a report that, while containing inaccuracies, it also was candid about what wasn’t known. That was not communicated to the people.

            In short, Bush did not follow the intelligence.

            1. Remember when Colin Powell was skeptical of the CIA claims and had a meeting with them where they convinced him the intel was true?

            2. Of course, not taking the intel agency at their word is not a from of treason as some people are trying to promote. If Trump wants to disagree with them, in public, he can. It does not mean he is siding with an enemy.

              1. And taking the word of the Bush Administration that they were the poor victims instead of the drivers?

                The poor war mongers got convinced by the intelligence agencies, whose dastardly plans fooled them.

                1. “”And taking the word of the Bush Administration that they were the poor victims instead of the drivers?””

                  Not sure where you are getting that from. No one was a victim. My point is that I cast great doubt that failing to believe your intel agencies amount to treason. And if someone truly believe that then Bush had to believe the BS that was being sold else his distrust would have equated to treason.

                  I didn’t buy what the intel agencies were selling. Does that make me an Iraqi sympathizer? No. Therefore Trump is not providing aid to Putin by not believing what his intel agencies are saying. There could be other ways which he’s providing aid to Putin, but not this.

            3. It’s fucking hilarious that you’re arguing that Democrats who voted to authorize force in Iraq were deliberately ignoring the intel reports.

              1. The Democrats who voted were fucking stupid. They pandered to the “rally around the president” media with Judith Miller putting the administration’s lies on the front page of the New York Times.

                They may or may not have read the full NIE. If they didn’t, they were derelict in their duty. If they did, they either pandered to the masses who foolishly believed the president and were derelict, or they didn’t understand the classified material didn’t match the published, which means their judgement was severely lacking. Or they knew it was bullshit and went along because, war is good.

                You’ll never hear me defend them. They were either stupid or craven. Possibly both. Not as craven as Bush and his warmongers, but still terrible.

                1. They may or may not have read the full NIE.
                  You’ll never hear me defend them.

                  LOL

                  1. I wonder if Hillary Clinton read the full NIE before she voted yes?

    3. “”The ones who were paranoid that Russia was interfering in an election and did jack shit. “”

      Perhaps they just let it play out so they could use it against Trump if he was elected. Insurance in case Hillary lost.

      When you people in the FBI speaking of “insurance” you have to wonder what that means.

    4. He’s right though.

      Do people not realize how much the U.S. meddled during the Orange thingy in Ukraine?

      1. CIA has a National Security Copyright on any and all color revolutions.

    5. John Fucking Brennan and James Fucking Clapper should be laughed out of every room they walk into, right before being pelted with rocks.

      1. That’s traitor talk. How dare you insult the known liars that occupy our intelligence community!

        1. The more they scream ‘traitor’ the more the projection becomes clear.

          1. Another traitor! When are these Putin bots going to end?

            1. When only correct thought is permitted.

      2. I heard Brennan say in an interview a month or so ago that the CIA has never killed anyone.
        The interviewer called BS and gave him a chance to clarify. He stuck to his claim.
        Why anyone would believe anything that comes out of his (or Clapper’s) mouth is a mystery

        1. He lied to Congress about domestic spying. Then when they cornered him on it, he said he gave the least dishonest answer he could. Which is admitting you lied. To their face, and they did nothing.

          Clapper can’t be trusted to tell you the time of day.

          1. If he told me the sun was rising in the East, I’d go double check.

            1. If he told me water was wet, I’d piss in his face.

  5. The NAACP has been pushing a Puerto Rico statehood bill during its annual convention, the GOP-backed Puerto Rico Admission Act of 2018.

    Well now I can’t tell who benefits from a PR state politically.

    1. Yeah, I’m a little surprised that the GOP would back an additional two slam-dunk Democrat senators.

      1. The GOP would for the signaling purposes to other people plus the GOP is really just Democrats lite

    2. Why would this bill be passed if the most recent referendum in Puerto Rico showed that the majority of voters oppose statehood and favor the current commonwealth status?

      1. Yeah, why would the government ever do something that goes against the wishes of the people?

        1. This will be the first forced statehood attempt in American history

          1. Not true- I forgot about Hawaii and Oklahoma

            1. And a war that took place 1861-1865…

      2. I thought they voted for statehood during the most recent referendum?

        1. Turns out they did. But, Vox (which is all about Puerto Rican statehood) notes this:

          “The problem is that less than a quarter of registered voters turned out to the polls. That was mostly the result of a boycott from the anti-statehood political groups, who were upset with the wording of the referendum.”

          http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politic…..-explained

          1. So, the anti-statehood people utterly fucked themselves?

    3. They’re already all on SSDI. They’re like Kentucky and West Virginia freeloaders mashed together.

      1. Kentucky gives us bourbon whiskey and West Virginia gives us coal, both of which are far more awesome and useful than anything your sorry ass would ever give the country if you lived to be billion years old.

        Now do yourself and the world a favor give in to those manic-depressive “sad clown” urges already, you worthless piece of garbage.

        1. A few shots of Puerto Rican rum will mellow you right out.

        2. Immortality would not be awesome and useful?!?

          1. It would be, but simply existing for a billion years wouldn’t necessarily give that ability to any of us.

        3. Puerto Rico has Bacardi, or at least that’s where Bacardi fled to from Cuba when Castro took over (and theyage their run in used Jack Daniels barrels).

  6. Robert Mueller is asking for immunity for five potential witnesses in the government’s case against Paul Manafort.

    Any of them orange?

    1. That would be hysterical.

  7. ‘Fully-fledged neo-Nazi’ jailed for eight years for leading banned far-right group National Action

    White supremacist organisation banned after supporting MP Jo Cox’s murder pursued ‘truly evil and dystopian vision’ of race war

    A judge said Christopher Lythgoe’s “deep-seated racism and antisemitism” kept National Action alive after it was proscribed as a terrorist organisation by the Home Office in 2016 over its support for the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox.

    The 32-year-old was sentenced at the Old Bailey on Wednesday along with Matthew Hankinson, 24, who was jailed for six years for being a prominent member of the white supremacist group.

    https://goo.gl/ccwjE2

    1. Jailed for political beliefs? So that’s a good thing now?

      1. It’s terrible. But that is the UK for you.

        In America Trump Nazis are free to roam as they wish.

        1. Your Yakov Smirnoff impression could use some work.

        2. Remember when Nazis proudly called themselves Socialists and Progressives called themselves Progressives?

  8. Ideally, feminists engage in fewer drone assassinations, but, you know.

    Oh, now we’re allowed to talk about Lucy?

    1. Why don’t you marry her?

    2. First, a civilian doesn’t respect her position of power and then, at 0:16 you can clearly see her fellow officer’s hand pushing his female associate from away from a position of power.

  9. The Washington Post invites you to “meet the man who might have brought on the age of ‘downloadable guns.'”

    Public enemy number one?

  10. a federal ban on any online content that “facilitates” or “promotes” prostitution

    Like Uber’s site?

    1. I’ll give the feds a dollar if they’ll go fuck themselves.

      Come get me!

  11. Does this mean there’s going to be a Dairy Pride parade or something?

  12. banning these nut-based drinks from calling themselves milk.

    “I have almonds, Greg. Can you milk me?”

    1. Greg: I’m busy eating a peach.

    2. I was looking at the almond mild carton this morning and at the top part said it was dairy and lactose free but the ingredients listed 30% low fat powdered milk which as I recall is still a dairy product?

      1. But almond milk has nuts and cows dont have nuts.

      2. Low fat powdered milk is only a dairy product if it comes from a cow. Since it’s in a carton of almond milk, what makes you think the low fat powdered milk came from a cow?

        1. Moooove over and let me answer that one.

  13. “President Obama is *still* showing the world what a feminist looks like”

    The man still oozes smug self-righteousness when he talks. Can we just be rid of him already?

    1. Turns out you can go to jail for thinking things like that.

      1. I only meant he should go play golf!

    2. Yesterday on YouTube, clicking on their little symbol link took you to his long-winded speech in South Africa the other day. These people aren’t even trying to pretend that they’re not a de facto member of the Dems’ mass media arm.

      1. The one about how shockingly rich he is and how the rich should be taxed more because they can only be more “fair”at the barrel of a gun.

    3. The man still oozes smug self-righteousness

      That’s education and accomplishment, as perceived by no-count goobers.

      1. Again, Artie–we (meaning people with ACTUAL educations as opposed to ‘people’ like you), know it may sound like ‘no-count’ when spoken in your thick trailer trash drawl, but it’s actually ‘no ACcount’. ACCOUNT.

        Writing ‘no account’ will help you hide your inbred, hillfolk nature much better.

  14. But it was rebuked by those who want to reduce the role of money in politics, who claim it would make U.S. elections more susceptible to anonymous foreign donations.

    It’s like they don’t even realize that a foreign power installed our current president over our rightful one.

    1. Which time?

  15. Michael Tracey
    ?
    @mtracey
    I don’t think the US media has ever been nuttier than they are right now. It would be comical if it wasn’t so dangerous. They are harming the national psyche in a profound way

    The American ideal of an impartial, level-headed media is less than a century old. Thinking that media is uniquely nutty now is as historically illiterate as thinking that politics is uniquely uncivil now.

    1. True. Look up yellow Journalism.

    2. Tracey is wrong, only because we all remember the same cheer leading from the media leading up to the War in Iraq

  16. Tomorrow, they will appear before a federal court and seek to temporarily block FOSTA from being enforced.

    We need judicial deference to legislator panic not to constitutional protections!

  17. “All who believe in this country’s values must vote for Democrats this fall. Policy differences don’t matter right now. History has its eyes on us,” James Comey said in a tweet late Tuesday.

    1. James Comey was not fooling anyone. Him and his corrupt bureaucrat buddies in the FBI and DOJ are Hillary fans and will do anything to destroy the USA from the inside out.

      He and his ilk are traitors to the Constitution.

        1. I guess he fooled you.

          1. OH MY GOD YOU’RE SO CLEVER!

            1. I am clever. Thanks. You continue to recognize your betters and you will be fine in life.

                1. Butthole is never clever.

      1. So, he helped Hillary by, in an act of insubordination, releasing a statement that reflected negatively on her, a few days before the election, in violation of department policy.

        He hurt Trump by having an investigation that did not leak at all, and denied that there was an investigation.

        Without Comey’s action, Trump would never be president. If Comey had indicted, Hillary would have dropped out and been replaced by literally any other natural born citizen over 35, who could have beaten Trump. He did not indict, but he did damage her (in an act of insubordination, against long standing policy).

        1. “During a 6 January meeting, Mr Comey informed President-elect Trump he wasn’t the subject of a “counter-intelligence” investigation, which he said tends to look at whether Americans were “witting or unwitting agents” of foreign powers.

          Mr Comey revealed that there was a debate within the FBI over whether to give the president any such assurances, given that the investigation covered the Trump presidential campaign and Mr Trump was the candidate.”

          Maybe he didn’t say anything, because Trump wasn’t the target of an investigation, which was not the case with Mrs. Clinton? Seems strange that this is the only thing that didn’t leak from the FBI after Mrs. Clinton lost

          http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40196532

          1. Clinton was never a target. FBI guidelines say that, when a charge isn’t made, that’s all that is announced. Comey’s editorial on her actions was against policy and rose to insubordination, per the IG report.

            Senior members of Trump’s campaign were, at minimum, subjects of the investigation. At that point, they may have been declared targets or not, we can’t know. But, the secrecy of the investigation was maintained, per department policy.

            Every departure from policy was detrimental to Clinton.

            1. FBI guidelines

              Funny how “guidelines” suddenly matter when you think they’re supposed to.

            2. So you accept the IG report, but still believe that our intelligence community is on the up and up? You should probably read its findings instead of relying on a Voxsplainer

              1. Lefties have to support the Intel community because the Intel insiders have virtue signaled that they are trying to destroy Trump.

                Destroying Trump and his rolling back of the Socialist state must be stopped at all costs.

            3. Not charging Hillary Clinton with mishandling classified information was detrimental to the USA.

              1. If she was charged, someone else would have ran and beat Trump.

                Comey’s actions were the only conceivable way we ended up with Trump.

                Also, she never would have been convicted.

                1. She would have been charged in 2016 so there would not have been enough time for another candidate to file paperwork in all the states.

                  Sanders would have been the presumptive Democrat candidate for President as all the Super delegates that sided with Hillary would have had to pick Sanders.

                  Sanders would have lost even worse than Hillary did. The USA does not want an open Socialist for president. The USA didn’t even want a closeted Socialist like Hillary.

                  1. A) The USA preferred Hillary to Trump, by over 2 million votes. But, some votes count more than others. Yes, he won by the rules, but that doesn’t change that he was not the preference of the country. The Republican got the most votes in only one of the last seven presidential elections.

                    B) Sanders would have won.

                    C) There would have been many options for nominee.

                    1. Sargent Shriver would like to dispute how difficult it is to replace a nominee.

                    2. “”B) Sanders would have won.””

                      I think so. We could have had a candidate that would have beat Trump but the DNC that was suppose to be fair to all the Dem candidates had a different plan.

                    3. Hilary didn’t get a majority of the population to vote for her. Plus, as u say, under the rules that exist, trump won.

                    4. Popular vote means nothing.

                      There are millions of republican voters that dont vote in their red states because their addition votes dont make their red states more red.

                      Sanders has no appeal for a national election. Most voteors in red states would nevevr elect a socialist.

        2. Without Comey’s action, Hillary’s incompetent campaigning, Trump would never be president

          Fixed that for you.

          1. Necessary, but not sufficient.

            Clinton would have been…meh as president. She managed to screw up just about every race she ran, excepting when Giuliani got cancer.

            She could have not campaigned at all and won, except for Comey’s interference.

            But, the point stands: There has been no FBI action anyone pointed to that hurt Trump, and many that hurt Clinton.

            1. Hillary would have been horrible as president.

              All the good things that Trump has done would have never happened under Hillary.

              She would have massively increased troops levels in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Niger. To be fair, Trump did increase troop levels in Afghanistan by 4000 and Syria by a few hundred.

              1. I’m not sure she would have. But, that’s neither here nor there. Her judgement in all things war is one of the reasons I didn’t like her as a candidate.

            2. “”She could have not campaigned at all and won, except for Comey’s interference.””

              I’ve seen no evidence that Comey’s “interference” change anyone one’s mind.

              1. It was the top story, all campaign.
                You can’t argue that his insubordination was harmful to her candidacy.
                What action did the FBI take that hurt Trump? None.

                1. “”It was the top story, all campaign.”‘

                  So? Being a top story doesn’t make it a valid story. If you want to convince me that people changed their vote because of it, you’ll need to try something else.

            3. It’s got to be exhausting moving the goalposts around as much as you do.

        3. HC, the Trump investigation leaked, non stop, from the get go.

          1. Right, that’s why the dossier didn’t hit the press until after the election. The FBI did leak a misleading statement that there was no evidence connecting the campaign to Russia to the front page of the New York Times.

            1. Trump complained about being spied on before the election. He knew what the FBI and Intel state was doing already.

              1. The spy complaints have gone the way of the wires tapp complaint. You’re falling behind the times, Rep. Nunes.

              2. The spy complaints have gone the way of the wires tapp complaint. You’re falling behind the times, Rep. Nunes.

    2. IT WAS HER TURN!

      1. Turn?!? Front side, backside, what difference, at this point, does it matter where Chelsea was conceived?

        1. I just threw up. thanks

        2. *barf

    3. Policy differences don’t matter right now.

      Comey’s assertion here is exactly what happens when a political realignment takes place. A lot of government bureaucrats, politicians, and media pundits who are nominally Republican are calling for the opposition party to take over because the opposition party, in fact, aligns more with their larger policy ideals than superficial things like tax cuts or the extent of federal authority in our daily lives.

      They’re terrified that the Cold War/GWOT paradigm that they understand, and has existed for 70 years, is coming to an end, and they have no way of figuring out how to navigate a world where that didn’t exist. Look at the limpouts on these very boards over Trump demanding that our allies in NATO actually pony up a little bit more money for their defense as outlined in the treaty itself. They actually argued with a straight face that treating NATO financial obligations as a guide for our European allies rather than a rule meant opening the continent to a Russian invasion.

      Times change and so do issues at the national and geopolitical level.

      1. The 2% is a guideline, not a rule.
        It’s not in the treaty.
        It is irrelevant to America’s interest whether they meet the arbitrary guideline.

        1. If Russia is as big of a threat as your war boner suggests then why don’t the Europeans spend more on their military?

          1. It’s not a military threat.

            I oppose war in almost every situation. I’m in the freaking Green Party. I just don’t buy your false dichotomy between being obsequious and military action.

            I oppose making alliances with terrorist nations. Which Russia is. They shot down a commercial jet. That’s terrorism.

            1. The USA shot down an airliner.

              Russia is bad for many things but they are not a terrorist state. Russia is Russia and Russia always meddles in other countries. They like to destabilize other nations to make up for Russia’s inherent weaknesses as a paper tiger.

            2. “”They shot down a commercial jet. That’s terrorism.””

              Actually that depends. Did we commit terrorism when we shot down an Iranian commercial airliner?

              1. Probably was a mistake. But, under Reagan, the US committed terrorist acts. We also traded arms with terrorist nations, possibly because they had blackmail over his sabotage of hostage efforts before the election.

                Reagan was a terrorist, yes.

                That doesn’t mean we should excuse Russia.

                Whataboutism can go round and round.

                1. “”Probably was a mistake”‘

                  So a mistake does not make it Treason? The Malaysia airliner was likely a similar mistake. Radar signature/profile made it look hostile, therefore shoot it down.

        2. The 2% is a guideline, not a rule.

          A distinction without a difference.

          It’s not in the treaty.

          It was agreed to by the member nations. If that’s not binding, then these agreements are functionally useless anyway.

          It is irrelevant to America’s interest whether they meet the arbitrary guideline.

          If member nations can’t live up to the “guidelines” they set, then the treaty is pointless.

          1. It should be noted that at least the last two administrations have insisted that Europeans meet the 2% threshold

            1. Yeah, but Happy’s pissed off that Trump actually meant it.

              1. The Lefties really hate Trump for pointing out the little tricks against US interests and then tweets them so the media cannot run interference.

                The list of Trump achievements in office has gotten so long now that I may need to create a master list and copy-paste each time. Its so many good things to just remember.

                1. The Lefties really hate Trump for pointing out the little tricks against US interests and then tweets them so the media cannot run interference.

                  This is one of the things I value about Trump. He’s figured out a way to get past all of the gatekeepers.

              2. No, it’s that he is threatening our alliance for something that is functionally irrelevant to our interest.

                European defense spending was already going up before Trump’s election.

                1. NATO members didnt spend more until Trump won in Nov 2016. Many didnt spend the required 2% of GDP until 2017.
                  NATO member spending 2016

                  NATO member spending 2017

                  1. I think NATO is largely obsolete since the EU was created. The EU should be tasked with defending their region of the world, in whole. Not to mean we won’t help them if they get in a pickle, but it would be at our discretion. But hey, you can’t have a robust military to defend and cradle to grave welfare. If they had to pay for their own defense, they would have a cow.

                    1. Our presence increases deterrence of attacks, and our Rule 5 agreement is crucial as well.

                      There might be an attack if they think the US will not come to their defense. If Germany was confident that the US would immediately defend England and France, they may not have fought westward.

                      Strengthening democracies is good for the US and moral.

                    2. “”Strengthening democracies is good for the US and moral.””

                      So let them pay for it.

                      But if they want to piss on the US and expect us to bail them out, fuck em.

                  2. I see 3% increased in 2016 (your second link is broken). That was budgeted in 2015. That had nothing to do with Trump.

                2. No, it’s that he is threatening our alliance for something that is functionally irrelevant to our interest.

                  Who knew Green Party commies took western military alliances so seriously?

                3. No, it’s that he is threatening our alliance for something that is functionally irrelevant to our interest.

                  Do you honestly believe Europe would come to the US’s defense if we ever needed them?

        3. It is also not relevant IF they are overrun. Not to us, anyway. Why should we spend a dime?

          1. Yeah! I mean, letting Czechoslovakia go worked out just fine, didn’t it?

            1. Again, either you are for the US interfering in issues globally or you are not. I prefer to not be involved.

              If Europe refuses to defend itself, we shouldn’t be defending them, either.

              It’s not like they lack money to do it.

  18. Trump goes all Jabberwacky on Russia response.

    IOW, the Con Man is full of shit as usual.

    1. Which con-man media hack is full of shit as usual?

    2. I think the boxing match was a fun idea. Can’t you picture it?

  19. “…a silly plan by dairy companies hoping to quash the popularity of almond milk and its ilk by banning these nut-based drinks from calling themselves milk.”

    Next up for Big Dairy – head cheese.

    1. LOL

      And so-called “cheese” from whatever non-daily source.

      They’d better milk this for all it’s worth.

      1. fumunda

    2. Milk of magnesia hardest hit.

  20. If the hookers would just give the lawmakers a few freebies, FOSTA might be repealed. Do they even know how lobbying works?

  21. “many positive things will come out of that meeting.”

    Sort of a double positive.

  22. So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki. Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting. We got along well which truly bothered many haters who wanted to see a boxing match. Big results will come!
    ? Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 18, 2018

    Proof that CNN and never-trumpers are stupid? I think so.

    1. “…many haters who wanted to see a boxing match.”

      People watching Trump getting pissed on by a Russian. Isn’t that what started this whole investigation?

      1. No.

      2. Yes. If a dossier funded by the Clinton campaign and then passed on to the intelligence community and then presented to a FISA court without acknowledging who the funders of said dossier were is “Trump getting pissed on by a Russian”

        1. You’re still relying on the Nunes memo? That’s adorable!

          1. Someone has to point out the corruption from the Democrat side and Nunes deals with those traitors on a daily basis.

          2. What I just stated is not in dispute. The only point of contention is whether or not the dossier was the sole basis for the FISA warrant against Carter Page. The FBI first contended that it was a conversation that an Australian diplomat overheard. No one disputes the use or funding of the dossier at this point


            1. No one disputes the use or funding of the dossier at this point

              Or the fact that at least portions of it were directly provided by sources…within the Kremlin.

              Is the argument that Trump, via the DNC, created a dossier of information sourced from Russian’s to link himself to Russia in an attempt to get himself impeached?

              No, probably not I guess.

  23. Next thing you know, people will be trying to market fake mayonnaise as mayonnaise.

    #saynotonutmilk

  24. The Washington Post invites you to “meet the man who might have brought on the age of ‘downloadable guns.'”

    Why does anyone *need* a 3-D printer?

    1. Isn’t that what Trump uses to play chess?

      1. He uses a “n”th-D Printer to make chess pieces, you goober.

        1. You know, I actually could see Trump as a Time Lord

  25. Agree with Michael Tracey.

    Irresponsible, puerile shrieking seems to be the order of the day. I blame Twitter, but, you know.

  26. Trump’s ‘Missing DNC Server’ Is Neither Missing Nor a Server

    The president can spout conspiracy theories all he wants. But the DNC turned over all its key data to the FBI after it got hacked. And that info wasn’t stored on a single server

    https://goo.gl/qQc8kz

    1. Few people doubt that the DNC was “hacked” or even that Russia was responsible for such an act. But, to suggest that such “hacking” is uncommon from foreign powers or that the disclosure of said e-mails by Wikileaks was somehow not in the national interest is rather hilarious. The saddest part is that people think such an action necessitates some response beyond the already bellicose response and disposition that the US has had with Russia since the end of the Cold War.

      I would like people to explain to me how they can see Iran reproachment as good, but Russian reproachment as bad (especially considering that the two preceding presidents tried the exact same thing). With full knowledge that Iran is a close ally of Russia’s in the region. Or to explain why the more brazen hackings that China has conducted against the US is somehow less worse than what Russia did.

      I have no problem with either, but the selective peacenick impulse of woketarians is pathetic on so many levels.

      1. I particularly liked how Wikileaks airing the DNC’s dirty laundry was somehow supposed to be worse than the DNC having a giant pile of dirty laundry in the first place.

        1. Exactly,

          Well blaming the messenger is a way to excuse the behavior.

      2. All highly enriched uranium was moved outside of Iran’s borders. That’s a good thing.

        All nations hack. Only stupid nations invite the hacking and reward the attackers.

        1. The USA didnt invite hackers and certainly is not ‘rewarding’ the attackers.

          The DNC, Podesta, and Hillary invited and rewarded hackers.

        2. Only stupid nations invite the hacking and reward the attackers.

          I presume you’ll be calling for nuclear war with China and Israel, then?

        3. How were the hackers “rewarded”? By placing missiles inside Eastern Europe again? Or arming Ukraine? Or imposing sanctions?

          What would satisfy your war boners?

        4. It should also be noted that conservatives cried “treason” when Obama began reproachment with Iran before anything was accomplished. Which is exactly what chickenhawk progressives are now doing with Russian reproachment

    2. Who needs direcft access? The word of a third party after her IT guy usex bleachbit on the server and then went to Reddit to try and manipulate data further should be sufficient.

      You seem to forget what all happened.

      1. The Dotard said the DNC server was “missing”.

        Why didn’t he say what you said? Why is wingnut CT never coordinated?

        1. Take it easy, Dick Cheney

        2. So, it isnt him being wrong. He doesnt explain in enough detail how dumb DNC is. That is the issue?

  27. Hundreds of victims filed lawsuits against MGM Resorts, which owns both the Mandalay Bay and the Route 91 Harvest venue. The suits accused the company of not doing enough to prevent the deadly events.

    WTF is wrong with people?

    1. If hindsight is wisdom, then the victims too should have known it was unsafe to gather for the concert.

      1. And what about all the victims who saw the shooter bringing in suspicious luggage and didn’t say something?

      2. MGM shouldn’t even need to countersue in order to get the courts to toss this nonsense out. Or else settle and award each of the “victims” a suit of bubble-wrap and a cookie.

        1. Or else settle and award each of the “victims” a suit of bubble-wrap and a cookie.

          Free admission to any single event at the venue or a one-night stay in a room overlooking it, their choice.

    2. I don’t blame them for being upset, given that the Vegas shooting is one of the biggest coverups in recent American history, right up there with the ongoing coverup of the Saudi Arabian government’s involvement in 9/11.

      It’s kind of weird how many of America’s biggest coverups seem to involve Saudi Arabia in some way or another. I guess that should probably tell us something about whose bitch we apparently are.

      1. If they have some reason to believe that MGM aided the shooter and they’re suing to find out WTF happened… yeah, I suppose that’s kind of clever. But apart from that, this mindset that anything bad that happens means “gimme money” pisses me off. Sometimes shit happens.

  28. AP assures us today that it was perfectly fine for the FBI to not have access to the DNC;s servers and to accept the report of a DNC-vendor that “it was the Russians who hacked us.” I’m sure the same leeway would have been given to, say, Bernie Madoff or a bank that was trying to cover up a high-level embezzlement.

    1. Who would trust anything the FBI would say?

  29. What’s with the bearded lady?

    1. Hit the treadmill girls.

    2. New LP nominee?

  30. the FDA takes on nut milk

    Nut milk, eh? I got your nut milk right here! *unzips pants*

  31. Literally White Supremacist Tucker Carlson: Why should my son die for Montenegro?

    Smart conservative on Twitter: Why should American sons die for Czechoslovakia? Or Austria? Or Poland?

    1. It should be noted that the US did not enter World War II until after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor- which occurred well after Nazi Germany anexed Czechoslovakia, Austria, or Poland. Also, of note, the US did not declare war on Germany after the bombing of Pearl Harbor until after Germany declared war on the US.

      Other than that, super smart or something

      1. We didn’t have any entangling alliances to drag us into yet another European conflagration. The good ole days.

      2. And we didn’t land in Normandy until well after the Russians had turned the tide on the Eastern front.
        Just like WWI – show up late, take the credit. The good ‘ol days

        1. Of course, the Russians wouldn’t have been able to turn the tide on the eastern front in the first place without the Lend-Lease program and all the aircraft, tanks, trucks, jeeps, etc. the U.S., the U.K., and Canada provided them to help save their asses.

        2. And of course Hitler wouldn’t have invaded Poland without the Russkies having agreed to invade from the other side.

          1. “Ah ha- see- it is all the fault of Russia. This will be a great point to put in my think piece: “Literally Russia Hitler is Worse than Literally Hitler (but the real literally Hitler)- Five Fast Facts You Need to Know to Get Your War Boner Raging””

            – Think Progress writer

        3. Just like WWI – show up late, take the credit.

          Is this a generational thing? I’ve never heard anyone claim anything more than partial credit for the US in WWI. We were on the side that won is all I’ve ever heard.

          I will say that considering the landing at Normandy to be the US’s initial involvement or contribution to WWII has a distinct geezer-esque ‘wars are fought by men and in the trenches’ attitude to it. Patton probably would’ve approved of the sentiment, McCarthur probably not.

          1. MacCarthur? Stupid phone.

            1. Its MacArthur, BTW.

              1. Its MacArthur, BTW.

                Right. I should’ve said Nimitz. My phone apparently recognizes and can spell that name.

                1. Apple or Google just hate the Scottish.

          2. Ummm… The USA led the invasion of North Africa in 1942 while simultaneously invading Guadacanal in the Pacific.

            Operation Torch, caused Rommel to retreat back to Tunisia to avoid a losing battle on two fronts and caused Vichy France to drop out of defending Axis territory. By April 1943, all Axis forces were swept from Africa. Germany had to send numerous divisions to Italy and the Balkans to defend against an Allied invasion of Europe on the ‘Soft Underbelly’.

            Then in 1943, the USA led Operation Husky, which was the invasion of Italy. This caused Italy to drop out of the war by September 1943.

            1. Even before that, we were part of the Battle of the Atlantic with shots fired, boats sank, and people killed, which was kinda my point, as a field marshal. Marking Normandy as the entry of the US into WWII is like saying a football team’s star running back wasn’t on the field until he showed up on the goal line.

        4. Right, us and Great Britain bombing the shit out of them day and night, booting them out of Northern Africa, invading Italy, and everything we did leading up to the invasion of Normandy did absolutely nothing to help turn the tide of the war.

          1. Aw Christ. Can no one here focus on a point without getting drawn into a history debate?

            The guy made a World War II analogy comparing that to expanding NATO. That is insanely stupid and profoundly historically inaccurate.

            Also, these conservative warmongers and their progressive useful idiots need to learn about a different war- for the love of God- just one more war. The US has been involved in literally hundreds of them. Learn about them. Any of them. Literally just one other one.

            1. His point was incorrect on both accounts.

              WWI was a stalemate until US forces arrived. US troops provided reinforcements that the Germans did not have. The USA didnt win WWI but our arrival led to war ending in 1.5 years after it had been raging for over 3 years. July 1914-November 1918.

              D-Day was not the USA’s first involvement in WWII.

              MacArthur is spelled this way.

              1. The USA didnt win WWI but our arrival led to war ending in 1.5 years after it had been raging for over 3 years.

                I’m going to assume your arguments are really directed at Echo Chamber because this is pretty close to what I was saying. I’ve never heard anyone say outright ‘The US won WWI.’ the way they say it about WWII. Especially considering that generally, numbers-wise, it’s recognized that the Central Powers didn’t exactly ‘lose’ as much as ‘gave up while they were still ahead’.

                And I know how M a c A r t h u r is spelled. My phone, however, prefers a spelling that, as near as I can tell, isn’t anybody’s name.

              2. I didn’t say D-Day was the USA’s first involvement in WWII.
                Give the award for best performance in a supporting role in Europe to the USA, but the brunt of the burden fell on the Eastern front. USA dead in Europe was something north of 1/4 million (yikes), but Soviet deaths were 100 times that. The Red Army had Germany moving backwards by the end of ’42 / beginning of ’43. Of course bombing raids and lend/lease helped.

                1. Soviet deaths in the Great Patriotic War, are somewhere between 8.6 million and 40 million. The number varies based on which Russian Federation or Communist agency is reporting them.

                  The Russians definitely lost the most soldiers and civilians (China might have more dead) but without lend-lease the Russians would have never whooped the Germans. Russians needed trucks and supplies to maintain any advance against Germans. Russians mainly built tanks, artillery, rifles, and ammo.

                  Further evidence that the Russians could not beat the Germans by themselves is that Stalin was furious that the Allies didnt invade Northern France until 1944. Until summer of 1944, the Germans were still holding back the massive Russian Operation Bagration. When the Allies invaded Normandy, the Germans had to transfer numerous mobile divisions to the Western Front which were really the only units keeping the Eastern Front stable. The German regular divisions were getting overrun because hey couldnt march out of an encirclement fast enough.

                  1. I’ve been to the Great Patriotic War museum in Moscow. The first exhibit was a U.S.-made jeep. They give a hat tip to the assist right up front. It doesn’t seem that the U.S. gives any such hat tip to them in return.
                    As you point out, invading western Europe sooner would have made things a lot easier for those on the east.

                    1. The USA never really gave the USSR credit for so many Russians dying on the battlefield because:
                      1) The USSR had a pact with Hitler to seize the Baltic States, Finland, Poland, and Bessarabia;
                      2) Many Russians were killed by Communists for not fighting, surrendering, being Ukrainians, etc.;
                      3) Russians publicly acted like they defeated the Germans on their own;
                      4) Russians lied about allowing Eastern Europe to elect democratic governments after WWII;
                      5) The Communists quickly turned on the USA after WWII and became our non-shooting war enemies.

              3. US troops may have brought the Spanish Flu to Europe from North America. German troops were more susceptible due to poorer rations the Central Power territories because of the naval blockade.

            2. Can no one here focus on a point without getting drawn into a history debate?

              This is a libertarian website, so no.

              1. Really you should just be glad no one’s brought up the Civil War yet… Oh shit.

                1. Really you should just be glad no one’s brought up the Civil War yet.

                  I, for one, consider the Russian meddling in the American Civil War to have really been over the top.

    2. ‘Cuz Russia?

  32. WASHINGTON — Josh Hader’s All-Star experience went from bad to worse.

    After a bumpy outing in his first All-Star appearance, the Milwaukee Brewers reliever suddenly found himself caught up in a Twitter firestorm. Late during Tuesday night’s All-Star Game, some racist and anti-gay tweets that Hader sent when he was a teenager surfaced.

    After the game, Hader apologized for his actions.

    “You know, it was something that happened when I was 17 years old,” he said. “As a child, I was immature, and I obviously said some things that were inexcusable. That doesn’t reflect on who I am as a person today, and that’s just what it is.”

    ESPN

    Oh for crying out loud leave the guy alone.

    17-yr old tweets don’t mean shit.

    1. With a name like “Hader” he must be a racist.

      1. Personally, I wish that less attention was paid to assholes like this Hader guy, and more attention was paid to men like the 29 Medal of Honor recipients who were recognized before the All Star game. I would love to read about and learn more about the lives and stories of these incredible men.

        Sadly though, most of the lowlife Weigelian scum in the JournoList despises these American heroes almost as much as they despise guys like Hader, so it won’t happen.

  33. Robert Mueller is asking for immunity for five potential witnesses in the government’s case against Paul Manafort. “Mueller’s office told a federal judge in Virginia on Tuesday that it was seeking to compel the witnesses to testify under condition of immunity,” the Los Angeles Times reported.

    Paul Manafort’s trial is coming up July 25, 2018. Not much time for Mueller to try the case and find all that evidence against Trump that they have not been able to find since 2016.

    1. Manafort is being charged with “conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading Foreign Agent Registration Act statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.”

      No one of this has to do with “collusion” (whatever that is).

      1. Adding to your point, collusion is not a crime either.

        Manafort demanding a somewhat speedy trial was smart. It puts Mueller on the defensive and will be the nail in the coffin of Mueller’s continuing to ‘investigate’.

        1. What I find funny is the people that say Mueller has 12 new indictments on the Russians hacking the elections. When it’s really Russians hacking the DNC. As if the DNC = the elections = the USA.

  34. Trump is winning the trade war because China has more to lose.

    One indicator of that price is the sharp plunge in China’s stock exchanges. Since the White House announced the first tariffs ? on washing machines and solar cells on Jan. 22 ? the Shanghai Index of Chinese stocks is down nearly 20 percent, while the S&P 500 is off less than 1 percent.

    That decline of share values is occurring in spite of the first-time inclusion in the MSCI, an important international index, of many Chinese stocks on June 1. That initial index listing attracted billions of dollars toward Chinese stocks, in expectation it would boost prices, but it did not.

    What does that tell you? Investors think China has more to lose than the U.S. They are correct.

    China’s government, determined to save face and match Trump’s tariff threats, is so concerned about the slide in share prices and what it might signal about the cost of the confrontation, that it will likely allow the $941 billion China Investment Corp. (CIC) to begin buying domestic stocks.

    Trump understands that in order to win a battle, sometimes you have to be willing to endure a little pain and sacrifice in the short term. Surrender monkey and gelding types either don’t understand that, or they think that there should never be any sacrifice at any point in life for any reason.

    1. Freedom isn’t free.

      I dont think simply hoping that Communist China and Socialist Europe would spontaneously move to free trade, ever works.

  35. “Nut Milk” was my nickname in Home-Ec class.

  36. Impressed Reason has no thoughts on NY suing over the tax cuts and how they are entitled to larger deductions for state taxes.

    1. Did you see that crazy shit?

      Trump is doing awesome and that tax cut was fantastic (minor Republican Congressmen credit). Not only did it allow more people to keep more they make but the Lefties in high tax states are freaking out because 2018 tax shortfalls will hit them in the welfare fund.

    2. Reason just released their article on it.

  37. Just a few of the 501(c)(4) nonprofits where you can now donate your own “dark money” without the IRS getting all up in your business: Planned Parenthood, ACLU, Rotary Club, Sierra Club, Democratic Socialists, NARAL, homeowners associations, AARP, volunteer fire departments, People for the American Way and — OMG! — the NRA.

  38. Gizmodo is attempting to portray it as some sort of uniquely Trumpian “gift [bestowed] upon Big Dairy,” but the crony politics behind dairy labeling knows no partisan bounds.

    Gizmodo then said “Also, mandatory GMO labelling stat.”

  39. The new law?sold as a way to stop underage sex trafficking but in reality a federal ban on any online content that “facilitates” or “promotes” prostitution?took effect in April and “impos[es] more severe criminal penalties than ever, and pil[es] on redundant layers of potential civil liability while simultaneously stripping away immunities,” states the new motion. “Although the Government suggests (repeatedly) that FOSTA reaches only speech that advertises illegal activity, the Act by its plain terms extends far more broadly.”
    ######

    Actually including the language of the Act would help this article out. Single word quotes are the stuff of FakeNews.

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