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Trump's Presser with Putin Was Disgraceful. But No, It's Not 'Treason' to Meet with Russia.

"A person can be in favor of improving relations with Russia, in favor of meeting with Putin, and still think something is not right here."

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During a joint press conference Monday morning, President Donald Trump told the world that he accepted Vladimir Putin's dubious assertion that the Russian government did not meddle in America's 2016 election. In doing so, Trump contradicted his own intelligence officials, who remain confident that Russia was indeed responsible for the hack of Democratic National Committee emails, regardless of whether anyone within the Trump campaign colluded in this effort.

That Trump could stand next to Putin and go out of his way to please the autocratic leader was "disgraceful," in the words of CNN's Anderson Cooper. If Twitter is any indication, Cooper's sentiments are widely shared by people in media and politics, and not just the left-of-center ones. Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) wrote, "I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful." Fox News's Guy Benson called this one of Trump's "worst days as president." The Federalist's Mollie Hemmingway said Trump should have chosen different words. Even Rep. Peter King (R–N.Y.), ordinarily a reliable defender of Trump, said he "strongly disagrees" with the president's take on Russian interference.

This disappointment with Trump's behavior is well-justified. The president didn't have to bow to Putin, fully embracing every obvious lie the Russian leader had told him. He could have been polite without being craven. He could have signaled a desire to work toward more peaceful relations without coming across like a dupe.

But this does not mean it was a mistake for Trump to meet with Putin in the first place, or that the theory—promoted just days ago by New York magazine's Jonathan Chait—that Trump is some sort of Russian agent (and has been since 1987!) holds water. Former CIA chief John Brennan claims that Trump's performance was "nothing short of treasonous" and that it "rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.'" That's plainly wrong. And Rep. Eric Swalwell (D–Calif.), a frequent spokesperson for the #Resistance on cable news, was engaged in unhinged fearmongering when he tweeted this over the weekend:

Unsurprisingly, the most reasonable response to the presser came from the reliably levelheaded Rep. Justin Amash (R–Mich.) who said, "A person can be in favor of improving relations with Russia, in favor of meeting with Putin, and still think something is not right here." Diplomacy is good, and Democrats shouting "Treason!" whenever the president does something dumb is as obnoxious in the Trump years as it was when the Republicans did it during the Obama years. It's a mistake to indulge in grand conspiracy theorizing—Manchurian candidates! The Americans! Urinating sex workers!—to explain the president's actions when mundane incompetence and egomania fit just as nicely.

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  1. In doing so, Trump contradicted his own intelligence officials…

    I can never keep up. Are we trusting intelligence officials this year or not?

    (Also, anyone who didn’t predict this from Trump isn’t paying attention. He’s consistent.)

    1. Just ignore all the lying that our intelligence agencies have done in the past. They have twelve indictments now that will never proceed to trial. What other evidence do you need? A mushroom cloud?

      1. They indicted 12 Russian officers for actions that would received qualified immunity in the US…

      2. The US intelligence community are recognized experts at foreign influence in elections.

        They have been successfully engineering elections around the world since the ’50s. Even when they are not successful, they make up for it by engineering coups against the “illegitimate” winners.

        This is proof that they did nothing to interfere with the 2016 US election, and would never do anything to undermine the President.

        Their expertise and inherent honesty is proof that they must be telling the truth about a foreign country doing so to the US.

        1. So… you agree with Putin then?

    2. Robby thinks that Trump should believe everything the intelligence agencies THAT ILLEGALLY SPIED ON HIM, and are trying to cover their own asses, have to say.

      I’d be disappointed if he agreed with them. Robby is a fucking joke.

      1. Robby thinks that Trump should believe everything the intelligence agencies

        You’re obviously dumb enough to believe this, but I don’t think everyone is.

        1. Hey look you’re on the rag again.

        2. Which part, the Robby part or the intelligence agencies?

          I’m assuming the intelligence agencies, since the Robby part is in the article.

          Which means you are coming from a completely ignorant perspective, both historically and currently, and defending the honor of our intelligence agencies.

          1. Trump contradicted his own intelligence officials

            Is this true or false? Does making this observation mean Robby supports the intelligence officials?

            1. Why are you socking as Cathy L?

            2. Trump’s Presser with Putin Was Disgraceful…

              During a joint press conference Monday morning, President Donald Trump told the world that he accepted Vladimir Putin’s dubious assertion that the Russian government did not meddle in America’s 2016 election.

              Read the fucking headline you fucking choad.

              1. Ok, so you’re dumb. That’s what I said initially.

                1. And you’re Cathy L.

              2. “Trump told the world that he accepted Vladimir Putin’s dubious assertion that the Russian government did not meddle in America’s 2016 election. ”

                No, he said Putin made a strong statement and that he ‘couldn’t see why’ Russia would interfere. He intentionally did NOT say he accepted Putin. It was like his praise for Kim – clearly over the top, near sarc.

                I expect a statement with a different tone in the next few days. That’s his way of keeping people off-balance. See May, Theresa, Merkel, Angela, Macron, Trudeau, etc.

                1. I tend to agree BigT. I also suspect it is his style of investigating. He likes to keep people off balance.

                  If the intelligence agencies and the DOJ really had cahones the DOJ would have indicted the ring leader, Putin. This was like indicting everyone in a crime family except the boss.

                  1. Negotiating not investigating.

        3. Hopefully

      2. He should also believe that a server that the FBI never once touched was absolutely hacked by Russians. Because actually examining physical evidence isn’t really needed.

      3. Trump believes that which flatters him and disregards (or lies about) that which does not. He seems to share this trait with many of his fans, whom he correctly predicted would remain loyal to him no matter how repulsively he behaves.

    3. Can we trust the FBI Agents who examined the “hacked” servers in question?

      Oh that’s right, the DNC never let the FBI near the servers. So why shouldn’t I believe the whole thing is bullshit? Or, more likely, the Russians just bought any information they wanted from the Pakistanis who ran the servers for the Dems.

      1. Yup. Reason, who lost their minds over WMDs for years on end, now trusts the intelligence agencies.

        1. Reason printed a piece by Brink Lindsey encouraging the invasion of Iraq. They never disapproved of that war until their cocktail party friends told them it’s not cool to support it anymore. The exact same thing happened with Russia. They laughed at Mitt Romney warning about Russia (rightly so) and then went all in on Russia fever dreams when the cocktail party crowd told them so.

          1. So in essence, Reason is a typical neocon-friendly newspaper pretending to be a bunch of libertarians? Color me surprised (not).

    4. Reason’s official position has been that the Deep State is fucking awesome since November of 2016.

      1. Only because the Deep State hates Trump, like all right thinking people do.

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    7. It doesn’t matter whether or not we trust them, Trump trusts them. God only knows why.

    8. John Brennan was the most trusted man in DC./s

    9. Trump contradicted his own intelligence officials the democratic operatives trying to create a fake scandal whereby they can install President Hillary–because it’s her turn!!

      There.

      Did anyone expect any different?

      There was no collusion.

  2. FDR didn’t meet w/ the Japanese after Pearl Harbor. George H.W. Bush didn’t meet w/ Saddam after Iraq invaded Kuwait. And George W. Bush didn’t meet w/ Bin Laden after 9/11. So tell me, @realDonaldTrump, what does America get out of you meeting w/ Putin after he attacked us?

    Maybe we don’t end up going to war, where many lives are lost in the worst acts that man is capable of.

    1. Maybe they should have, is what I’m saying. Things might not have worked out, and they probably would not have, but Afghanistan and WW2 are not examples that immediately make me go “YES, THAT’S THE OUTCOME I WANT FROM THIS.”

    2. Comparing Putin to Osama Bin Laden is a whole new level of stupid

      1. Yes, though Putin is probably responsible for more overall evil in the world.

        1. In comparison to Bin Laden? Maybe, but that’s a tough argument to make. In comparison to other stat actors? Not even close

          1. The biggest question with Bin Laden is do you include the effects of his terrorism, that is the war on terror. If not, then Putin is simply more powerful, even if he is a backwater tyrant.

            1. You can’t blame Osama for what Americans happily did to each other and the rest of the world.

              1. Why not?

                Think hard before you defend Osama for accomplishing his goals.

                1. Think hard before you defend Osama for accomplishing his goals.

                  That was a good one, fuckhead.

                  1. I’m sorry the truth bothers you so much. So much you went ad hom like a fourth grader AND didn’t amswer the question.

                    1. Think hard before you eat my ass.

                    2. Damn, you got triggered hard.

                    3. Yep, your handle triggered me to remember, “Oh, it’s mendacious piece of shit.”

                    4. Oh, you’ve spoken to him and he triggered you before Sparky?

                    5. Apparently speaking ill of Osama bin Laden is where Cathy L draws the line.

                    6. Apparently speaking ill of Osama bin Laden is where Cathy L draws the line.

                      Wow, there are an awful lot of commenters here who seem to think it’s wrong to blame the American politicians who actually passed the PATRIOT Act for doing so. Wrong to blame the American government for spawning DHS and TSA. Wrong to blame American politicians, the American press and frightened American sheeple for starting the country’s longest war. All because they want to give maximum credit to Osama bin Laden for being the baddest guy who ever badded.

                      Hey guess what, Osama said the US made him do it, just like you said he made us do it. Now whose fault is it?

                    7. “Wow, there are an awful lot of commenters here who seem to think it’s wrong to blame the American politicians who actually passed the PATRIOT Act for doing so. Wrong to blame the American government for spawning DHS and TSA. Wrong to blame American politicians, the American press and frightened American sheeple for starting the country’s longest war. All because they want to give maximum credit to Osama bin Laden for being the baddest guy who ever badded.”

                      You just attacked Trump for blaming US actions along with Russian actions. You numbskull. Do you not think expanding NATO and overthrowing the democratically elected president of Ukraine is not the fault of the Americans in souring our relationship with Russia?

                    8. You just attacked Trump for blaming US actions along with Russian actions.

                      Did I?

                      I mean, seriously dude, why do you make these baseless claims?

                    9. You have repeatedly stated:

                      “Because election interference is the only bad thing Putin has done?”

                    10. And this:

                      “You know Russia has done other stuff too, right? Like annex Crimea, invade Ukraine, kill people in the UK with a deadly nerve agent, shoot down a passenger airliner…”

                      You seem awfully persistent in insisting that Russia is the new baddie because the Weekly Standard told you so, but you seem to enjoy making moral equivalencies with the US and Bin Laden.

                    11. So, in your mentally deficient world view: Russia- LITERALLY HITLER, but Bin Lade- no worse than us

                      Woketarianism is a moral failing and brain disease

                    12. Yes, someone has a fucking brain disease.

                      Putin is a bad person and pretending that 2016 US election interference is the only bad thing, or remotely the worst thing, he has done is a sign of extreme idiocy.

                      9/11 was a world-changing event because the US let the terrorists win.

                      Osama was a shithead but if the US hadn’t eagerly cracked down on civil liberties he’d have only a couple-three thousand deaths at his door, which isn’t comparable to the US or Putin.

                    13. Yeah, you’re dumb.

                      Russia is less of a direct threat to the US than the Chinese and is more on the same scale as Venezuela. Woketarianism is a moral failing and a brain disease

                    14. “Osama was a shithead but if the US hadn’t eagerly cracked down on civil liberties he’d have only a couple-three thousand deaths at his door”

                      Try replacing “Osama” with “Putin” and think real hard where your warmongering is leading, knucklehead

                    15. Try replacing “Osama” with “Putin” and think real hard where your warmongering is leading, knucklehead

                      Me: the US’ post-9/11 were bad

                      You: why are you such a warmonger?

                    16. Me: Russia is no worse than any other foreign actor. Why all the nonsense?

                      You: You know, Putin has done more than just election interference. Ummm…he invaded Ukraine

                      Me: We helped to oust the democratically elected president there because he was too pro-Russian

                      You: Putin also does bad stuff and junk

                    17. The United States supported Democracy activists when the parliament was restricting civil rights and security forces were using live ammo on protestors. Also, Putin was sending payments to the president of Ukraine to personally bribe him to establish closer ties to Russia than to the EU.

                      The US provided support after the parliament voted to impeach the president (in a democratic vote!).

                      And, Putin’s forces were responsible for shooting down a commercial airliner, killing 300 innocent people, poisoning dissidents in London, killing an innocent person there too. Also, murdering journalists and whistleblowers.

                      I really hope that you’re getting paid to toe the Putin line. I can’t figure out any other motivation for you.

                    18. You’re an idiot if you believe MI5 / MI6 lies about the poisonings.

                      Brits are OUR OLDEST ENEMY.

                      Hopefully Putin and Trump can unite to open up a front against the Britsh filth/

                    19. Sarcasm, right? You

                    20. Maybe (certainly) you just have no idea what you’re talking about beyond what CIA sponsored news outlets tell you.

                      Way to stick up for the narrative though!

                    21. Happy Chandler, you need to stop listening to the MSM. Every “fact” in your post has been entirely debunked. There is zero evidence that Russia had anything to do with the downed airliner.

                    22. And all of those things you mention are either straight up lies or very un-clever disinformation. Annex Crimea? Ukraine AND Crimea were part of Russia for about 400 years until the Soviet Union gave Ukraine its own SSR. And Crimea is over 90% Russia/Russian speaking and VOTED in those proportions to merge with Russia. You got something against self-determinatioin? And this bullshit about nerve agents in the UK… Nigga Please.This is a false flag from MI5/MI6. The Brits have been playing us for fools for ages. They taught the CIA back in the 40s and 50s. Airliner shot down?!?!? BWAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!

                    23. I never think hard about eating ass.

                    24. Get hard thinking about eating ass.

        2. Where the fuck do you get off saying that, Nick? How so? Russia’s got lower tax rates than the US does! Better economic growth, increasing life expectancy, Russia prudently, and skillfully opposes US foreign policy (the most evil since Ghengis Khan) in the middle east, seriously. What’s not to like about the guy?

          1. ^ russian FSB agent.

            Nobody but a russian kisses that much russian ass.

            1. I’m inclined to agree.

      2. Comparing hacking a political party to events which led directly to thousands (or more) lives being lost is the definition of hyperbole.

        Is the US ready to give up our counter-intelligence efforts against other countries in their elections? I mean if it’s comparable to killing people then our CIA should probably be on trial for war crimes. No?

        1. Many in the CIA should probably be on trial for something.

        2. Because election interference is the only bad thing Putin has done?

          1. The article and the tweet are about alleged Russian election meddling. So is my post.

            Sure Putin has done some horrible things, but the freakout of the moment seems to be only about election interference. Trump certainly wouldn’t be the first President to meet with a world leader with a horrible record on human rights.

            1. the freakout of the moment seems to be only about election interference.

              More generally, it is about cyberwarfare by Russia against the West. Trump could quite easily ‘rise above’ characterizing it as a specific election investigation which is a merely partisan thing. He is Prez after all – and Prez is supposed to be above that petty stuff and supposed to have skin that is slightly tougher than a precious snowflake.

              And while Trump has pretty much no skills/competence beyond self-marketing and PR – that is precisely the skill that could link the election incident with other specific incidents (all within the last two years) of Russian psyops and cyberwarfare against Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, France, etc. Even if he is too ignorant and incompetent and chicken to challenge Putin on the issue, he could easily have put on a bit of a show, met those other countries on that issue, and spun the issue well beyond the petty stuff of domestic partisan D/R stuff.

              Because as long as he wants to stay within a domestic spinning of this issue; then the Russian cyberwarfare is winning and winning Yuuuge.

              1. Good thing, China doesn’t engage in cyberwarfare, because I just started paying attention to the news.

                1. Oh yes whatabout blahblahblah

                  1. Totally whataboutism to point out that you are unbelievably dumb and that your basis for having conflict with Russia is no different than a charge that could be leveled against any other foreign adversary

                    1. Gawd you are a stupid dumbfuck. You are explicitly saying that we shouldn’t give a damn about Russian cyberwarfare against us because the Chinese are also doing that.

                    2. No, I’m pointing out how stupid it is to suddenly be concerned about cyberwarfare when it has been going on un-abetted for the better part of twenty years.

                    3. and not just by other countries but by the U.S. as well. its pretty hard to tell someone to stop doing something that we will never stop doing. Instead of telling them to stop it like Obama did and left it at that you instead work against it.

                    4. The us gov is literally conducting cyberwarfare on americans which is a direct violation of the constitution.

          2. To us? Pretty much. Why is this a good reason not to meet with him again? JFK met with Khrushchev when the latter did far worse.

          3. What else has Putin done that would count as having, in the words of the tweet, “attacked us”?

          4. No worse than your banal, passive-aggressive poasting career.

          5. Christ, these warmongering woketarians can’t even make sense. You know forever jailing dissidents and forcing women to have abortions aren’t the only things the Chinese do? You know starving the people of Yemen and stoning people to death aren’t the only things the Saudis do?

            Russia is living rent-free in the minds of idiots who just started paying attention to the world and are convinced that they are scholars all of a sudden

            1. The Dunning-Kruger effect is in all its glorfy this administration

              1. Even more in its opponents.

        3. And they aren’t even accused of manipulating the political party, only of releasing truthful information.

          THE HORROR.

          1. exactly

    3. I’m rather curious as to what they think Trump should have done instead. Maybe give them a “Reset” button?

      1. Indeed. Should he be more bellicose and perhaps start a war to show how mad and badass we are?

        1. Kill even more Russian citizens in Syria, perhaps

      2. Not acting like a servile wimp towards Putin would have been a start.

      3. Invade because the Dems and the media are shits and have terrible IT security.

    4. Maybe they would have been satisfied with the Sudetanland?

    5. FDR didn’t meet w/ the Japanese after Pearl Harbor. George H.W. Bush didn’t meet w/ Saddam after Iraq invaded Kuwait. And George W. Bush didn’t meet w/ Bin Laden after 9/11.

      “One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is just not the same…”

      No, Bush I didn’t meet with Hussein, but maybe he should have. Especially since “invading Kuwait” is not even vaguely close to “attacking the US”.

      1. But everybody meets with Japan now! And Germany! And Italy!

    6. FDR and Truman both met with Stalin however.

    7. Ahhh, the “You Get one free shot” method of diplomacy. Unique!

    8. FDR didn’t meet w/ the Japanese after Pearl Harbor. George H.W. Bush didn’t meet w/ Saddam after Iraq invaded Kuwait. And George W. Bush didn’t meet w/ Bin Laden after 9/11. So tell me, @realDonaldTrump, what does America get out of you meeting w/ Putin after he attacked us?

      Attacked us?

      When? Not the fever dream that Mueller is trying to screech into reality for his masters? No. There was no collusion, there was no attack.

      Odd how no one mentioned Crimea there. Is that because it happened on Obama’s watch–and he just let the Russians have the Crimean Peninsula? Could that be the ‘flexibility’ he wanted Vladimir to know about when that mic was left on? Because thats the only thing Russia’s done on the scale of Pearl Harbor or Kuwait or 9/11.

      1. DO THESE PEOPLE SUFFER TDS, TRUMPTARD? (sneer)

        Fox News: Putin eats Trump’s lunch in Helsinki
        “Instead of standing up to Putin, Trump offered to cooperate with Russia on some of the very issues that Russia is causing. As some very wise analysts have noted, this strategy is like allowing a criminal to investigate his own crimes”

        Fox News
        Brett Baier (Fox TOP political correspondent
        Chris Cavuto
        FOX AND FRIENDS
        House Intelligence Committee
        Senate Intelligence Committee
        Our Intelligence Community
        His own Security Director (after the summit)
        Lindsay Graham
        Mitch McConnell
        Paul Ryan

        Trey Gowdy INSISTED that Trump MUST demand that Putin turn over all the indicted Russians for trial, “Just tell us which airport to pick them up at.”

        Even staunch Trump backer Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, called Trump’s comments “the most serious mistake of his presidency” and said they “must be corrected_-immediately.”

        AND THE DEEP RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IS … OUR FAULT!

        TRUMP’S GOOBERS ARE NOW AS CRAZY AS BERNIE’S!
        Can a President impeach himself?

    9. Actually, it’s after you and Brenner, and Clapper, and McCabe, and Strzok SAID the Russians attacked us. I assume you did some forensic examination of the DNC computers because Moe, Shemp, and Curly I, Curly II and Curly III didn’t.

  3. You’re right Robbie, the president’s words were outrageous. But, no more outrageous than when American presidents lavish praise on the Saudis or Chinese or are we to believe that the Russians alone meddle in American elections and are a particular type of baddie that distinguishes them from other tyrants around the world?

    Good article, nonetheless. Too bad it isn’t written when presidents lavish praise on other tyrants, though.

    1. Trump lavishes praise on everyone he meets. It is his modus operandi.

      It is like no one at Reason pays attention to anything.

      1. No, he lavishes praise on autocrats that he meets. Democratically elected leaders, he has nothing but contempt for.

        1. Strange then how he heaped praise on the Democrats after his embarassing Obamacare defeat. Honestly, it’s like you people intentionally forget things, like Trump being a car salesman writ large.

          1. Should have said in that situation, meeting a foreign leader for the first time. He has lavished praise on everyone he has met, Xi, Macron, Trudeau, Un. He will then later attack if they do something he doesn’t agree with, but then praise them when they do something he does agree with.

            He does this over and over. It is like clockwork.

            1. Yes, he treats them all like trained dogs.

              Probably over-estimates them.

              1. You’re still buying into the 3532-dimensional chess thing? Wow.

                1. You’re still buying into the 3532-dimensional chess thing? Wow.

                  Since you keep losing pieces, absolutely.

            2. Pretty much this. I’m also curious how much of his lashing out at Western leaders has to do with them making statements against him and the US.

          2. Strange how you don’t think Democrats are autocrat-wannabes.

        2. Did you see him with Macron?

          Jesus, TDS is strong.

        3. Lefties and turants eat the praise up and think they have Trump by the balls. Everyone underestimates him and it usually backfires as Trump gets the upper hand over and over and over.

    2. You know Russia has done other stuff too, right? Like annex Crimea, invade Ukraine, kill people in the UK with a deadly nerve agent, shoot down a passenger airliner…

      1. Sure – and the Sec State and President at the time responded how? Selling him our uranium?

        They got more worked up about Putin helping Assad against ISIS than any of that stuff.

        1. “Selling him our uranium” — I will assume you’re not actually ill-informed enough to believe this but just deploying it as an idiotic talking point.

          You probably also know that the Obama administration sanctioned Russia for annexing Crimea, for example. But no, they didn’t take a very hard line.

          1. Ok Sparky.

          2. I know that woketarians like you will go along with whatever Bill Kristol says, but China is a far worse actor than Russia. And even they shouldn’t be the object of ridiculous warmongering

      2. Whereas the Saudis invading Yemen and killing lots of civilians is good intervention, and to suggest we give the. The cold shoulder would be heresy. They’re among our bestest friends!

      3. And you count those actions as having “attacked us”, to use the congresscritter’s words?

        Because if you’ve changed your mind and decided violence on people in other countries (UK, Ukraine) count as attacks on us now, well, then, Maduro’s actions against Venezuelans logically now count as having “attacked us”. So I guess it turns out it was okay that Trump wanted to invade …

      4. And all of those things you mention are either straight up lies or very un-clever disinformation. Annex Crimea? Ukraine AND Crimea were part of Russia for about 400 years until the Soviet Union gave Ukraine its own SSR. And Crimea is over 90% Russia/Russian speaking and VOTED in those proportions to merge with Russia. You got something against self-determinatioin? And this bullshit about nerve agents in the UK… Nigga Please.This is a false flag from MI5/MI6. The Brits have been playing us for fools for ages. They taught the CIA back in the 40s and 50s. Airliner shot down?!?!? BWAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!

        1. ^ recycled russian FSB comment.

      5. “Like annex Crimea, invade Ukraine” actually Crimea has been official a part of Russia since 1783. If you look at a map of Europe in 1914, there is no Poland or Ukraine. Poland HAD existed but there was never an independent Ukraine until after WWI. After WWII the Ukrainian region was absorbed into the USSR as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.In 1991 the USSR fell apart bringing Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia back to life and creating the countries of Belarus and Ukraine (both had been autonomous regions of the USSR. When he became dictator (oops, I mean president) of Russia, Putin was determined to recreate either the Russian Empire or the USSR of 1922 (never the endgame USSR, what would require a world war and — essentially being Mexico with nukes — he knew he’d lose because of NATO. But Belarus and Ukraine are NOT in NATO so . . . he wants them back. But Crimea was always Russian. The people of the Crimea consider themselves Russian.

    3. Certainly no worse than Libertarians demanding normalizing relations with the fucking Cubans while demanding a new cold war with Russia.

  4. If there’s anything treasonous, it’s refusing to do what’s in America’s security interests if doing so requires the president to make nice in a photo op with Joseph Stalin.

  5. Justin Amash is about as spot on in his analysis as anybody could possibly be.

    1. Amash knows his donors well

    2. Actually I read this part as part of Amash’s quote:

      Diplomacy is good, and Democrats shouting “Treason!” whenever the president does something dumb is as obnoxious in the Trump years as it was when the Republicans did it during the Obama years. It’s a mistake to indulge in grand conspiracy theorizing?Manchurian candidates! The Americans! Urinating sex workers!?to explain the president’s actions when mundane incompetence and egomania fit just as nicely.

      This is the part that was really spot on in my mind… So credit goes to Robby.

      At some point the Dems have to stop outraging about everything Trump does. It really lessens the effects when outrage is justified.

      1. This publication engaged in some of the more asinine Russia fever dreams. Credit to Robby, but let’s not pretend like Robby’s nuanced position is shared by other totally not insane, but clearly insane, writers

      2. “At some point the Dems have to stop outraging about everything Trump does”

        I don’t see that happening. Ever.
        He’ll be used as the basis of collective punishment for Team R once Team D is back in power.

        1. Seeing as ‘Team D’ is advocating ‘pushing back’ on people while they are having dinner, screaming at people so they can’t sleep, abolishing ICE (that movement has been growing, of course Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez might have put a stop to that by her epic dumbness) , opening the borders, etc, etc, etc, I think the question is ‘will Team D ever regain power’? After all, Americans are basically polite but the alt-right OR the alt-left are anything but polite. I doubt they will regain power before they do some epic purging of their party.

    3. Amash is as spot on as one could expect a subservient R to be. something is not right is akin to saying that that maybe there weren’t enough ice cubes in the water served at their meeting.

  6. If we apply the media view, he was lying about Putin. Why is the Prez lying to a tyrant a problem?

    1. It’s the ultimate trolling by Trump of the US media. He knows that they would go insane over this statement. As Fist mentioned above, Trump is really being consistent here.

  7. Holy shit I just read that Jonathon Chait article, when did that guy lose his fucking marbles? That shit was beyond the pale crazy.

  8. I don’t know that what Trump said is important one way or the other. Of course Russia meddles; they’ve been doing so since before any of us were born, and will keep doing it long after we’re all buried. For that matter our own government does its share of meddling. That’s what governments are for, to get in a man’s way.

  9. Have all these people never met a salesman or read a cheesy book how to about sales because literally everything trump does is straight out of that mold.

    1. No they really haven’t. Then went straight from a snowflake college campus to “journalism” without ever experiencing anything in the real world.

      Trump is just the epitome of a pain in the ass executive that people in business have to deal with all the time.

    2. Do you not understand that many people hate people who act like salesmen?

      1. Do you not understand you’ve made it obvious that you’re Sparky’s sock?

        I knew you’d fuck up Sparky.

        1. Why would Sparky sock? What image would he be protecting? Everyone already hates him as much as he hates himself.

          1. I have no idea why he does the stupid shit he does, but one look at the thread and it becomes obvious.

            And frankly, I also don’t know why you care.

            1. Obviously I’m a Sparky sock as well.

              1. You mean like Cathy L obviously is?

                I’m serious tho, there’s no reason for you to care or get involved at all.

              2. It’s Sarwark all the way down.

                1. Nah, it’s just Sparky/Cathy L and some other guy who cares for no reason.

              3. Obviously I’m a Sparky sock as well.

                It’s funny when some crybaby gets so butthurt that he has to put on a Tulpa sock to complain about everyone else being socks. And he puts on a Tulpa sock because he thinks he has some kind of rep to protect and is too much of a coward to risk tarnishing it.

            2. one look at the thread and it becomes obvious

              I can only imagine your reasoning would be as persuasive as Putin’s was this morning.

              1. Ok Sparky.

  10. Reason in October of 2016: always be wary of trusting those big federal agencies like the FBI and CIA, they lie a lot.

    Reason in November of 2016: all hail our beloved Deep State overlords!!!

    1. Yes, in many articles recently Reason has lost all reason.

      I don’t expect or desire a love of the right in this country. But today’s American left is the biggest threat to liberty the country has seen in generations.

  11. If Russia was responsible for the DNC hack, then LET’S SEE THE PROOF ALREADY!!

    I predict we’ll never, ever see it.

    1. Perhaps it will come out in the trial that will never happen.

    2. As I said above, the DNC was adamant that the FBI NOT examine their servers. I’m supposed to take their word for it that it was the Russians working for Trump, and most certainly not Seth Rich or their criminal Pakistani IT administrators who exposed the fact that they rigged the primary for Hillary.

    3. WTF? Here’s the legal indictment

      It is entirely reasonable to question whether that evidence rises to the level of legal proof (which obviously can’t happen until a trial). But to deny that it is even evidence just tells the world that you yourself are as stupid as a rock and a partisan dingleberry munching hack to boot.

      1. I didn’t deny that it is evidence, bub. Can you read good?

        I would say it is evidence, yes, pretty much the same evidence we already had. Intelligence officials such as Mueller and those aligned with him are insisting that it was Russia. So, are mere allegations evidence? Yes, I think so, to the extent we should think that intelligence officials and Mueller are credible. But why would they not share with us how they know this for sure?

        I haven’t read the indictment in detail but I did see one detail that was pretty rotten. The angry Dem mob is making hay out of the detail in this red meat indictment that tries to cutely draw a connection between hacking attempts and Trump’s campaign remark about Russians hacking her emails. Never is it mentioned that Trump’s menacing half-joke was in reference to a Clinton email server that had been offline long since, the devices destroyed with hammers, and the hard drives bleached. By no stretch of the imagination was this a plausible incitement to hacking scenario when the discussion was about one of the biggest political scandals of the young century, which had long been public and discussed ad nauseam, with all of the hacking targets long gone.

        1. “So, are mere allegations evidence?”

          Of course. The “seriousness of the charges” makes it obvious that allegations are equal to evidence.

          /s

          Welcome to US politics, and the percentage of the US populace that is so stupid (or disingenuous) that they will agree and parrot any idiocy.

      2. “Here’s the legal indictment”

        When does the ham sandwich stand trial where we can hear and cross check the evidence?

        …Never!!!

      3. Hasn’t it already been known for a while the dnc servers and then hillarys were accessed, i won’t say hacked because it barely reaches that level, via podestas email and iphone passwords being phished by the hacker named gucifer? And he was like Lithuanian or something,not Russian? And that guy most likely leaked what he found to WikiLeaks?

        It was reported at the time podesta got duped by the “emergency! apple requires you to change your password now! Click this link!” And even had dnc it staff review and do it for him.

        So where did these 12 ppl they’ve indicted come from?

  12. The question that I keep thinking is how exactly does Robbie think a non-interventionist president would behave around foreign adversaries? Do you expect them to be bellicose and combative, like some are suggesting Trump should have been when meeting with Putin?

    1. I can’t figure out what’s going on when I visit over here these days. It’s full TDS with different trolls every time. These articles don’t make a bit of sense.

      1. Reason is more pro-war than National Review now

      2. I can’t figure out what’s going on when I visit over here these days.

        That is to be expected when a poorly educated, right-wing authoritarian visits an even partially libertarian website.

    2. Do wars normally start because a national leader has a spine, or is even verbally ‘combative’?

      1. Stalin had a spine and started wars in poland, estonia, latvia, lithuania, moravia, and Finland.

        1. Stalin was one of the biggest cowards in modern leadership history.

  13. “The 1980s are calling; they want their foreign policy back.”

  14. The absolute best-case scenario is that Trump is an incompetent manchild who has personalized all of these scandals to such a degree that he’d rather sell out the United States to a failing state than have to feel bad about himself for 5 minutes.

    What’s to support here? But Gorsuch? The thing he outsourced to a think tank?

    1. What has been sold out, Tony? Since you’re so primed for war and your soy boy brigade is ready to get shot in some pointless war, shouldn’t you be pleased that Trump armed Ukraine (which the previous administration refused to do) and has re-instituted missiles in eastern European countries (which the previous administration took down)?

      I mean, I would criticize him for that, but you soy boy toughies should be happy, right?

      1. You sound awfully tough for a half-educated, disaffected, no-count, authoritarian, right-wing jerk prancing about in silly libertarian drag, Just Say’n. Must be all of those character-building Chick-fil-A combos you get at discount during breaks?

        1. Tasty, salty progressive tears!! You’d think they’d gone dry.

        2. Arty it would be fun to slap your bitch ass around for awhile. As you cowered in front of me

      2. Russia employed modern espionage to interfere with a United States presidential election with the goal of affecting the outcome, which they likely succeeded at, to the obvious and real-time detriment of the Western world.

        Nothing to see here?

        1. You are sick in the head, Tony. And very ignorant about history and foreign policy if you believe what Russia did was sophisticated or without precedent

        2. And by espionage you mean asking Podesta for his password which he willingly provided?

          1. Wow, two complete deflections from the actual point. You’d care if it were a Democrat. I betcha would!

            1. And you wouldn’t care if it were a Democrat.

            2. Wow, two complete deflections from the actual point. You’d care if it were a Democrat. I betcha would!

              We wouldn’t KNOW if it were a Democrat. There’d be no press, no investigation.

        3. So if State A “interferes” in the election of State B, that is an aggression? Or, as the left would say, an act of war?

          Good thing the US intelligence communities never “interfere” in elections in other countries, lol.

          But ‘Murica!!! We’re special so we can do it but nobody else can!

        4. Tony believes that unsophisticated spearphishing the likes of which would fail to snare a typical eight-year-old is “modern espionage.”

          This is because Tony, like the various morons who did get snared by the spearphising, is an imbecile.

        5. Tony, you clearly aren’t watching the news. Everything in your comment has been shown to be false.

          1. Today’s news?

  15. If Twitter is any indication, Cooper’s sentiments are widely shared by people in media and politics, and not just the left-of-center ones. Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) wrote, “I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful.” Fox News’s Guy Benson called this one of Trump’s “worst days as president.” The Federalist’s Mollie Hemmingway said Trump should have chosen different words. Even Rep. Peter King (R?N.Y.), ordinarily a reliable defender of Trump, said he “strongly disagrees” with the president’s take on Russian interference.

    But I have it on good authority that Jeff Flake is “left-of-center” (as is anyone to the left of Pat Buchannon) and those other people are clearly a bunch of RINOs and cuck-fags.

  16. All humans are at least 87% stupid, that is, even the smartest human is still 87% stupid. On the IQ scale, if you start from the top of “average” IQ and go down from there, it is approximately 87% of the population. So only 13% are “above average”. and of those 13%, they are still at the least 87% ignorant, unknowing of things that are not in their line of knowledge. Now add on the fact that most of our leaders are sociopaths, and one party here in America seems to have a majority of the dumbest sociopaths on their side, this is the result.
    There is no hope for the earth and humanity because humanity is just plain too stupid to survive. For example, just read some opinion post anywhere on the web. Ah, problem is, most dummies do not have the ability to comprehend that which is going on right in front of them or what they are reading.
    87% stupid – prove me wrong. BIGGEST DANGER TO THE WORLD AND ITS PEOPLE – THE DISEASE OF PSYCHOPATHY. AND THERE IS A GENETIC TEST FOR IT THAT MOST ALL WEALTHY WOULD FAIL, INCLUDING TRUMP. TRUMP HAS COMMITTED TREASON TWICE ON LIVE TV. IF YOU CAN’T COMPREHEND THAT, YOU ARE AT THE LOWER END OF THE 87%.

    1. …is this your way of proving the Dunning-Kruger effect is still in full force?

  17. No, it’s not treason to meet with Putin.

    However, Trump’s comments before and after his meeting are treasonous. When the Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov say a meeting is “Better than super” we should all be concerned.

    I’ve long been against the impeach Trump movement, but after this, I have switched sides. Trump needs to be removed from office ASAP. Trump was played ? badly ? by Putin, as he was by Kim.

    1. Nothing Trump has done rises to the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors.

      As libertarians, I believe that we should take moments like these to point out how much power has been vested in or ceded to the President, and use the relative inexperience and/or incompetence of our last 3 Presidents to argue that we need to take power back from the King/President.

      1. “Nothing Trump has done rises to the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors.”

        But, but, but …..he SAID things! Nice things about a bad guy!

        Apparently you’ve never had a negotiation course. Trump plays good cop, bad cop all by himself. Keep em guessing.

    2. You are paranoid and delusional.

      Why are you against world peace?

    3. TDS again? Wow, these trolls really know how to persuade.

  18. I’m not much of a Trump fan. I didn’t vote for the guy and his bombast is grating. But as much as I dislike many things he does, the left and the media just piss me off and what I just don’t get is why this opposition group doesn’t scare the holy crap out of more people. It is almost like the McCarthy-ites have taken over again. The treason comments, and yes the agreement with those comments above, are simply terrifying. The absolute ignorance of reality and overstatement of everything Trump is pathetic. Throw in the outright blatant dishonesty of the majority of the press and the only real conclusion is that we are doomed. Yeah, those pesky Russians meddled in our election. And the Chinese haven’t done anything. The last administration stayed out of elections in Israel? Our “intelligence” agencies haven’t meddled in Afghanistan and Libya and Egypt and (fill in the blank). Fools.

  19. Reason is either ignorant or corrupt…

    the US and Russia have been working together for decades AND REASON KNOWS IT

    from Reagan thru Obama – the proof is out there for all who do some research……..

      1. Hey, they get more facts right than Robby does.

        1. Like Obama a Kenyan Muslim?
          (smirk)

    1. My command ship for the 6th fleet in Italy had russian officers working inside the command area. As an American even I was not allowed in that Area.

  20. The treason was his apology to Putin.

    Fox News: Putin eats Trump’s lunch in Helsinki
    “Instead of standing up to Putin, Trump offered to cooperate with Russia on some of the very issues that Russia is causing. As some very wise analysts have noted, this strategy is like allowing a criminal to investigate his own crimes”

    The pussy APOLOGIZED to Putin. Kissed his ass in public. Threw his entire party under the bus for the midterms . And impeached himself!. Even Trey Gowdy said Trump should DEMAND extradition of the indicted criminals. Rats are abandoning the sinking ship of state. As Trumptards scurry like cockroaches to disgrace themselves. Again.

    He BRAGGED that his base would defend him even of murder, in broad daylight with witnesses.
    HE said they were TOTALLY devoid of morals or conscience. Same as him.

    If Putin was the man Trump worships … PUTIN would have extradited them, without being asked. duh
    In fairness, Putin did get Trump elected. And Trump’s entire fortune was financed by a proven Russian money launderer. Having sold his soul, he HAD to deliver it

    1. Putin has offered his men for interrogation in exchange for the opportunity to interrogate certain CIA agents for their crimes against Russia.

      Seems fair.

      Are you in?

      1. I’d have to be a fucking imbecile.
        Let me know how many you recruit.

    2. Putin Eats Trump’s Lunch.

      But who drank whose Milkshake?

      1. I don’t know that one.
        But I do know Trump drank Putins semen.
        From the original container,
        Just as he did with Kim.

  21. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE DNS WAS EVEN HACKED AT ALL!

    DNC and FBI conspired to hide the server that would show if it was hacked and not downloaded onto a thumb drive by a whistleblower.

    Forensic analysis of the wikileaks emails reveal that this is exactly what happened, that they couldn’t have even downloaded them over a broadband line.

    A whistleblower like say, Seth Rich, downloaded the evidence of DNC treachery.

    1. DNC DNC DNC

      THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE DNC WAS EVEN HACKED AT ALL!

      THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE DNC WAS EVEN HACKED AT ALL!

      THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE DNC WAS EVEN HACKED AT ALL!

      1. Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!

        Winnah, winnah, chicken dinnahhhhh!!!!!

  22. Don’t worry:

    According to CNN and its high-ranking ex-IC guest, the “shadow government” will rise against Trump.

    Humph. Well there’s a humdinger. And you wonder why Trump doesn’t just take these guys at their word?

    1. Goobers will smile at your link, and give you a mental high-five
      NON-goobers will CLICK your link, as see that you are a totally psycho liar, in the first 15 seconds of the video.
      Trump will give you a treat. a pat on the head, andsay “GOOD boy!”

      1. It appears you are a psycho liar who is projecting. Phillip Mudd, ex-deputy director of counterintelligence for the CIA, said what he said. The link is right there.

        So, I’m guessing you have some carefully parsed explanation for his statement? Let’s have it. But the fact that you didn’t lead with the substantive comment, and opted instead to go with a psychotic rant that makes you look like insane, doesn’t bode well.

        1. It appears you are a psycho liar

          Click this asshole’s link! (sneer) ARE THESE PEOPLE PSYCHO LIARS?

          Fox News: Putin eats Trump’s lunch in Helsinki
          “Instead of standing up to Putin, Trump offered to cooperate with Russia on some of the very issues that Russia is causing. As some very wise analysts have noted, this strategy is like allowing a criminal to investigate his own crimes”

          Fox News
          Brett Baier (Fox TOP political correspondent
          Chris Cavuto
          FOX AND FRIENDS
          House Intelligence Committee
          Senate Intelligence Committee
          Our Intelligence Community
          His own Security Director (after the summit)
          Lindsay Graham
          Mitch McConnell
          Paul Ryan

          Trey Gowdy INSISTED that Trump MUST demand that Putin turn over all the indicted Russians for trial, “Just tell us which airport to pick them up at.”

          Even staunch Trump backer Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, called Trump’s comments “the most serious mistake of his presidency” and said they “must be corrected_-immediately.”

          AND THE DEEP RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IS … OUR FAULT!

          TRUMP’S GOOBERS ARE NOW AS CRAZY AS BERNIE’S!

          Trump got his ass kicked by Putin … and so did Rand Paul. (again for both)

          Can a President impeach himself?

          1. Wow, you need mental help.

            Your reply is completely non-responsive. Just a long irrelevant rant praising Faux News Gowdy and Gingrich.

  23. Yes, Putin and Trump have the exact same relationship with the press…..
    except for the assassinations and jailings.
    But, other than that, they’re both execrable.
    Morons!

  24. Sorry, but Trump is a compulsive liar on pretty much everything he says. He always lies to whatever he thinks will give him the most advantage. If nothing else, the inauguration count debacle should have told us that.

    So, why would we take Trump at his word when he says he believes Putin?

    Now, I will admit, he is quite surprisingly honest on his policies sometimes. “Treat illegals like criminals”, sure, and he threw them in prison. However, he is a dishonest man, and you can trust a dishonest man to be dishonest.

    1. You are correct, Ben. The question is why is it taking so long for the republican electorate to reach the obvious conclusion that they are supporting a liar, a con man, an immoral cur? How can people be so blind? According to a recent poll (Survey Monkey) 76% of republicans think he is a truthful man and 56% support him. My interpretation of that is 3 out of four republicans are deluded and a little more than half of republicans have no moral compass.

      1. He’s an immoral vulgarian. But he’s on our side, willing to be the bad guy to get things done. I’ll judge him by the results as long as he isn’t hurting people.

      2. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he’s actually been really trying to fulfill his campaign promises? He’s been stopped by RINOs on a few of them, those shitty female R senators and McCain in most instances… But he’s also done what he can on other stuff, like getting at least a half assed tax reform bill through.

        He bounces around a lot in his daily ramblings, but on the major points he made while campaigning he seems to have made more of a genuine effort to get that shit done than any other president since I’ve been alive.

        I would have rather had Ron Paul myself, but Trump will have to do since that’s who we done gots! The fact that he triggers Dems LIKE WHOA is just icing on the cake!

        1. THANK God, Trump is fulfilling his campaign promises! (snort)
          Increase spending … AND cut taxes … NEVER cut Social Security and Welfare … PLUS provide health care to everyone … AND pay off the entire debt in eight years!!!

          Trump Trolls now as obedient puppets as Bernie Trolls

          Left – Right = Zero

      3. Largely, because they’ve seen his predecessor lie without even being called on it for eight years and have decided that this “OH MY GOD, HE LIED!!!” nonsense is hardly worth the time to consider as being serious.

  25. You know what’s really disgraceful?

    All those links, and you couldn’t be bothered to link to Trump’s own words.

    I hate, and no, that’s not an exaggeration, I hate, with a burning fury, people who pull that kind of shit, feeding you paraphrases, and not letting you see what the person actually said.

    There’s no reason to do that, except to try to deceive people, to cut them off from the evidence that might lead to them adopting a different opinion than your own.

    Here’s the actual press conference. Watch it and form your own opinions.

    1. I watched it all. FAIL. (bad bluff)

      1. I don’t understand what you mean. There wasn’t any bluff. The OP complained about Trump’s words without providing a link so that you could hear them yourself, which I think disgraceful. I’d call it a pet peeve, but it pisses me off too much when journalists do that sort of thing for “peeve” to be adequate.

        So I provided the link, in order that people could have informed opinions of what he said. I wasn’t dictating what opinion you’d arrive at. That was Robby’s gig. I was just directing you to the evidence he’d omitted.

        If you watched it all, I succeeded.

        1. I don’t understand what you mean

          I was being polite, Since you insist … You’re a liar

          If you watched it all, I succeeded.

          At making a fool of yourself.
          I’d already seen it.

    2. That is one of the most common ways the mainstream media slants things. They don’t ever direct quote, or if they do they will only take a snippet out of the full context, and then offer only THEIR INTERPRETATION of what the person supposedly meant.

      The difference it can make not showing what somebody said at all, or even quoting out of context is insane. As an example:

      “Ya know what, I love killing people. It’s great, I’m all about it!”

      vs

      “Pedophiles, child murders, rapists… Some people don’t think the death penalty should apply to these types of crimes… Ya know what, I love killing people. It’s great, I’m all about it! People like that deserve no sympathy as long as they have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt of being guilty. I am fine with the death penalty for child murders child rapists and so on.”

      Now you can agree or disagree with the long form statement… But it’s a pretty friggin’ different overall vibe versus the out of context snippet. CNN doesn’t even do that half the time, they just make up what they want his statements to mean and don’t even give you the snippet!

  26. Trump is disgraceful. Putin is disgraceful. They all stink. But I’m gonna play a little what-about-ism: What about all the progressives who didn’t mind elected Democrats kissing Castro’s ass?

    The hypocrisy is so strong on both sides.

    1. Umm, how did Castro interfere with, and change a Presidential election? And how do YOU define false equivalence?

      Simmeer down. Hillary would have win the EC also, if fewer than 40,000 votes had switched, in 3 states combined. 27% of Trump’s votes were AGAINST his opponent — a record high. They voted against Hillary, NOT for Trump. That means ANY other Democrat would have won in a landslide.

  27. Every robby article: “the dominant narrative is correct, however, I disagree with everything used to reach that conclusion”

  28. Stupid headline denying something absolutely nobody has claimed. You’re as bad as Trump constantly crying, “No collusion! No collusion!” Collusion is not a crime; conspiracy and obstruction are. Meeting with Putin is not treasonous. Supporting Putin against your own country is. Here is the question everyone should be asking: why has it taken so many voters and legislators (especially republicans) so long to realize they are supporting a con man.

    1. Probably because it’s hard to notice something that’s a constant.

  29. Oddly enough, David Brock’s Media Matters has run the most extensive – and ongoing – sock army in the US. They’re used to push specific narratives and shitpost to deflect threads about certain topics. The Russians (and Chinese, Iranians, Israelis, etc) might want to study their effectiveness. Still, the British and Ukraine seem to be top of the game

  30. OH GOD! Reason has joined the neo-con Never Trumpers with this bullshit.Full on Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    Oh, so a bunch of “intelligence” agencies have gone all Jan Brady and said that Russia!! Russia!! Russia!! and we’re supposed to perk our ears up and listen to the voice of our masters?!?! Are these the same war mongering “intelligence’ agencies that guaranteed us that Iraq definitely had weapons of mass destruction? William Binney, the formerly highest ranking civilian at the NSA has proved conclusively that the DNC was not “hacked”, and that the emails were leaked by an insider, most likely Seth Rich.

    The UK new novachek (sp?) incident has all the markings of a false flag.

    Trump is absolutely right in publicly disrespecting these criminal organs of the Deep State!! You (Robby) do realize, don’t you, that the Deep State wants continued war preparations? More and more military spending, more foreign interventions, more war, mass murder, destruction of property, and of course, more debt. You do know that, don’t you?

    War is the health of the state.

  31. Jesus fuck this place.

    Good shit Christ. Holy ass.

    1. There MAY still be time to save yourself

      Fox News: Putin eats Trump’s lunch in Helsinki
      “Instead of standing up to Putin, Trump offered to cooperate with Russia on some of the very issues that Russia is causing. As some very wise analysts have noted, this strategy is like allowing a criminal to investigate his own crimes”

      Trey Gowdy INSISTED that Trump MUST demand that Putin turn over all the indicted Russians for trial, “Just tell us which airport to pick them up at.”

      Even staunch Trump backer Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, called Trump’s comments “the most serious mistake of his presidency” and said they “must be corrected_-immediately.”

      Brett Baier (Fox senior political correspondent)
      Chris Cavuto
      House Intelligence Committee
      Senate Intelligence Committee
      Our Intelligence Community
      Trump’s own Security Director (AFTER the summit)
      Lindsay Graham
      Mitch McConnell
      Paul Ryan
      and will grow for days.

      AND THE DEEP RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IS … OUR FAULT! OMFG!

  32. The format of my Reason newsletter was perfect this week.

    Immediately following the headline for this article was the the headline for a podcast which asks if we’re “losing our damn minds over everything Trump/Russia?”

  33. Per Robbie Soave:

    “During a joint press conference Monday morning, President Donald Trump told the world that he accepted Vladimir Putin’s dubious assertion that the Russian government did not meddle in America’s 2016 election.”

    The truly dubious matter is whether Mr. Soave is a journalist, rather than a purveyor of propaganda for the Democrats, the Clintons, and the War Party.

    Zero evidence — zero EVIDENCE, not allegations — supports the assertion that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. But very much evidence — EVIDENCE — indicates that Russia did NOT interfere.

    1. When you saw the intelligence evidence, what stuck out as the biggest lie?
      Why does Trey Gowdy say you’re full of … beans?
      House and Senate Intelligence Committees>
      Fox News, plus Brett Baire and Chris Cavuto?
      Trump’s own Security Director (AFTER the summit)

      NEWT GINGRICH!
      “the most serious mistake of his presidency” and said they “must be corrected_-immediately.”How many blunders has Newt NOt told us?

      Zero evidence — zero EVIDENCE, not allegations — supports the assertion that Russia interfered in the 2016 election.

      Blatant bullshit, on the face of it. See opening question.

      1. “Why does Trey Gowdy say you’re full of … beans?”

        Why is Trey Gowdy suddenly retiring?

        1. LAME

          Because TRUMP is full; of shit.

          Anything else?

    2. Ummm, when you reviewed the evidence at the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, and our intelligence community, which struck you as the biggest lies?

      (Must I TELL him that was laugh-out-loud ridicule?)

  34. LOL

    I must be quite the closet masochist since I keep coming back here reading and commenting all the time… The level of TDS here is often equal to or greater than the outright admitted progressive propaganda sites.

    I won’t lie, I wish Trump was more careful with some of his words… But he didn’t even explicitly say he BELIEVED Putin. Merely that Putin had strongly denied any of it. He could have and should have worded it better… But Trump is Trump sooooo…

    The fact is that all evidence points to Russia doing… Either nothing or damn near nothing. They may have ran a few thousand bucks in internet ads. Maybe a few bot accounts on Twitter/Facebook. The DNC hack seems to have been an inside leak. What else? Nada.

    So basically if they’re guilty, it was a really half assed effort on their part. The CIA does a FAR more thorough job when we interfere in foreign elections. And OF COURSE Putin would deny even that if they did do the above, just like we usually deny out involvement in illegal foreign activities. So no big surprise there. Trump will probably come out in a day or two and say “Meh, maybe they did do a few small things. Of course he would deny it! But I didn’t collude, and if they did anything it wasn’t a big deal.”

    Which is ALL the whole Russia thing should have been from the get go… A nothing burger.

    1. ^^this

      1. Are all THESE people nothingburgers? (smirk)

        Fox News: Putin eats Trump’s lunch in Helsinki
        “Instead of standing up to Putin, Trump offered to cooperate with Russia on some of the very issues that Russia is causing. As some very wise analysts have noted, this strategy is like allowing a criminal to investigate his own crimes”

        Fox News
        Brett Baier (Fox TOP political correspondent
        Chris Cavuto
        FOX AND FRIENDS
        House Intelligence Committee
        Senate Intelligence Committee
        Our Intelligence Community
        His own Security Director (after the summit)
        Lindsay Graham
        Mitch McConnell
        Paul Ryan

        Trey Gowdy INSISTED that Trump MUST demand that Putin turn over all the indicted Russians for trial, “Just tell us which airport to pick them up at.”

        Even staunch Trump backer Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, called Trump’s comments “the most serious mistake of his presidency” and said they “must be corrected_-immediately.”

        Trump’s puppets-dancing-on-a-string are now as brainwashed as Bernie’s!

        Trump got his ass kicked by Putin … and so did Rand Paul. (again ,for both)

        Can a President impeach himself?

        1. When exactly did intelligent people start blindly believing the word of neo-con hacks, RINOs, leftist politicians, and our idiot intelligence services? As a libertarian leaner I have NEVER accepted the word of career politicians or government employees without thinking it through myself… And I never will.

          The whole “Russia is our mortal enemy” thing has basically been bunk since the collapse of the USSR. They’re a powerful country, and we will inevitably be at odds sometimes… But they’re really not a threat to the USA anymore, or even most of our allies. Nobody wants a nuclear war, and short of that the best the can do is be a minor nuisance once in awhile. We might as well work with them where we can, and hold the line when we can’t work things out with them… Just like we do with all the other brutal/evil countries we regularly deal with that are equally bad or worse than them.

          Getting hysterical about them MAYBE spending a few grand on political ads and MAYBE having some bots posting shit online is ridiculous. We do worse in elections constantly in other countries. Perspective guys! You can be upset about things without going full on delusional/TDS!

    2. Great comment.
      Are Clapper, Brennan, and Comey (assisted by McCabe and Strzok) AKA The ‘Intelligence’ community who told Obama “THE RUSSIANS DID IT, THE RUSSIANS DID IT, THE RUSSIANS DID IT, etc, etc, etc.” more believable than Vladimir Putin?
      Hmmm, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe, and Strzok are proven liars but so is Putin . . .

      I’d say it’s a toss-up. But whichever ends up with the ball — I don’t believe him either.

  35. That’s great except no one has said it was treasonous to meet with Putin.

    1. No, as near as I can tell the alleged “treason” consists of failing to start WWIII by lunging across the stage and strangling Putin. God forbid the President actually be diplomatic while engaged in diplomacy.

  36. My dog committed treason when he peed on the living room carpet.

  37. Because the perfidy Trump has proven to be too dumb to be able to read or too ignorant to read, someone read Dumb Donny this story in reference to his Putin meeting. Then because he won’t get it, explain it to him.
    http://www.aboutfamilypets.com…..the-snake/

  38. I just got here from several history sites, so help me out a bit.
    I thought ranting about “the Russians!”, “the Russians!” was a bad thing. You know, McCarthyism and all that. At lest it was when it was a Republican doing it. Is it different when the liberals/progressives/whoever are doing it? Does it matter that Tail Gunner Joe actually found spies, and whats-his-name cannot find a damn thing?

    1. McCarthy was actually right… There WAS a real large scale communist “plot” back in those days. They were actually quite successful really. Nowdays the Russians are merely also rans who only have as much power as we ascribe to them.

    2. For the past 50 years the left has hated and distrusted agencies like the CIA and FBI, and mocked anyone suspicious of the Russians. Now because of Trump everything is reversed.

  39. During the Obama era the CIA was run by people like Brennan and Clapper. The FBI was run by Mueller, McCabe, Strzok, Comey, Wray–the good old boys we shall hear so much about later on.

    But that would be later. When the Russians needed things and Obama was their go-to guy for any treaty or business deal that the Kremlin wanted, no matter how much it seemed to be against American interests (such as the Uranium One thing and the Iran Nuclear Deal that advantaged Russia both commercially and in foreign policy), Vlad Putin knew for an absolute certainty that:

    (1) Barack Obama would have no pushback or hang-ups whatsoever from his bureaucratic lap dogs at the CIA and the FBI, and

    (2) President Obama would have no interference whatsoever from the American mainstream media on the Uranium One and Iran Nuclear Treaty because:
    A. The MM considered Barack the Messiah and smarter than anyone
    B. The MM no longer does any investigative reporting. They are much too lazy now.They even outsource pieces

  40. bashing Republicans to internet trolls, Russians, whoever.
    C. Even if the MM was handed a smoking gun proving how much Obama colluded with the Russians, they would bury that story deeper than Jimmy Hoffa. No one would dig it up. The reporter who tried would be attacked more viciously than Peter Schweizer for writing Clinton Cash.

  41. Say, just noticed the little trade war tariff story about our Commerce Dept. investigating a uranium crisis the USA faces if foreigners put a tariff on the radioactive resource. It seems that in 1987 the USA produced 50% of what we needed domestically.

    This year it will be 5%. You will know who is writing the next report you read on this issue if their entire article and the headline does not mention one damn word about Barack Hussein Obama and a bunch of Uranium contracts, many from Canada, that the Russians wanted to buy up. Not one damn word, that is the Mainstream Fake News Media at work.

  42. Didn’t write in to comment on this, wrote to comment on those cartoons (which conveniently have no place to comment). I think it’s time to change the name of this blog from ‘Reason Alert’ (which it was ONCE upon a time to ‘The Anti-Trump Times’ (which would tell people there are no reasonable libertarian articles here just screed after screed of left-wing Hate Trump propaganda even when he does things [like decrease regulations on business] that libertarians love. I would say cancel my subscription but apparently your on-line gurus are too dumb to know that I already let it lapse.

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