YouTube shooting

Video Shows YouTube Shooter Was Clearly 'Nuts.' What Happens Next Is Very Scary.

Get ready for ever-more-intrusive mental-health measures.

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Here's a video by YouTube shooter Nasim Aghdam. In it, the vegan mocks meat eaters and puts on a display that, in light of yesterday's violence, shifts quickly from just cringy to downright disturbing:

As Brian Doherty has noted, there's virtually nothing that Congress—or the State of California, for that matter—could have done to prevent Aghdam's spree. "California," he writes, "already has a set of gun control laws that are seen by most pro–gun control types as something the nation should aspire to. YouTube's offices had armed security." The Golden State also allows family members and police to easily get a restraining order barring an individual from carrying a gun (more on that in a moment).

All of the most-salient arguments against gun control—mass shootings aren't in fact getting more common, violent crime (including with guns) is down, etc.—will be voiced, and so will the counterarguments. The fact that the shooter was born in Iran will probably not enter the discussion much (most Iranians in America are emphatically against religious fundamentalism). The fact that the shooter is a woman will be used first to undermine the notion that "toxic masculinity" is to blame for shootings until declinists realize they have a more apocalyptic point to make: America's culture is so toxic that even women are starting to shoot the place up.

What will be left will be more and more calls for stepping up "mental health awareness," both by medical professionals and by the rest of us. That's a rare point of agreement between the National Rifle Association and gun-control supporters. It also fits smoothly with the rise in depression and the use of prescription antidepressants, stimulants, painkillers, and mood-alterers. And with the growing consensus that social media are making everything worse for all of us. For the sake of our civilization, we'll be told, we will need to police each other's mental health much more aggressively than ever before. If you see something, say something has forever been on the verge of becoming If you suspect something, say something.

The supposed benefits of more intrusive measures will be touted while the costs will be ignored. Yet those costs are substantial. Proposed measures to restrict gun purchases or ownership by people with "mental illness," reports Jacob Sullum, could easily cover about one-quarter of the population, especially if one widely discussed response to the Florida school shooting, "gun violence restraining orders," is widely adopted.* These laws allow family members, police, and others temporarily to bar individuals from legally buying guns if the petitioner believes an individual is a threat to him- or herself or to others. However well-intentioned, the potential for overuse is plain. The wrongly accused will have a hell of a time purging the relevant records and the stigma that came with them. But in discussions following mass shootings, costs are rarely discussed.

*CORRECTION: I originally wrote that "existing measures to restrict gun purchases to people with psychological problems…already cover about one-quarter of the population," which is incorrect. Only people whom have been declared incompetent or ordered to receive treatment by a court are currently effected, which is a small fraction of those seeking psychological counseling. Proposals by Gov. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) to restrict ownership by anyone with a diagnosable "mental illness" would yield the higher percentage.

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  1. And with the growing consensus that social media are making everything worse for all of us.

    So clearly we need common sense social media control.
    Like a permit with a huge fee to be allowed to have an account.
    Like a required training course with a huge fee, to be allowed to post
    Like a requirement that all posts be under your true name
    Like a requirement for a background check with fingerprints, paid for by the applicant
    Like the local sheriff being the one to approve or disapprove the permit request, with no appeal of the decision
    Like only one post per day
    And a data base of posting offenders who can never again get a permit
    Since we the people have already agreed, through our elected officials, that these restrictions on a constitutional right are reasonable, there should be no problems putting these common sense controls in place.

    1. …or just kill off social media. It certainly isn’t making anybody more social. Facebook dying tomorrow would hardly cause me a moment of pause.

      1. Social media is a way to socialize with the least possible effort. It’s a way of being friends without all the responsibility of friendship.

        No responsibility and least effort is what the kids today like.

        Now get off my lawn.

        1. …you damned kids.

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        2. No it creates the feeling of socialization. And we now live in the world of feelz.

      2. It certainly isn’t making anybody more social.

        Its contributions towards a well-informed electorate are, at best, highly suspect as well.

      3. Like magazine with 30 rounds…”no one NEEDS” social media accounts.

        1. My magazine has three staples. They are round and pointy at their ends

      4. Unfortunatly, the number of followers a person has on the various social media platforms is the new metric of self worth. Nobody wants to be themselves on social media either. Everybody wants to project an image of who they wish they were instead of being happy with who they are. It seems there are fewer and fewer people that are happy to just look in the mirror and see themselves. The shallowness of it all is having some uniquely negative outcomes on society that I don’t think will be fully understood for decades. That being said, I still don’t believe it should be regulated (if that even needs to be said).

        1. That being said, I still don’t believe it should be regulated (if that even needs to be said).

          It definitely DOES need to be said-thank you…It will be regulated so that only right-thinking peoples can post on it.

          1. Whoever they may be

        2. “That being said, I still don’t believe it should be regulated (if that even needs to be said).”

          But it is regulated. Automatically by algorithms that filter the content these platforms provide, or directly by humans who monitor content, and delete it if they see fit.

          1. It’s their forum; they should do what they want with it. We can ridicule them, we can point out the hypocrisy, but we should not censor their control of their forum. Any more than a handful of cranks should be allowed to hijack a speaking hall that belongs (however temporarily) to someone with whom they disagree.

            It shouldn’t be impossible for another platform to compete by supporting a different set of views.

            This is what has annoyed me for decades about the endless schweeming on the Right about ‘Media bias’. Yes, the media is biased. All media, in all times, is biased. Stop the bootless complaining and get some media of your own, damnit.

            1. “It’s their forum; they should do what they want with it.”

              It’s still regulated. If you think otherwise, you don’t know how these platforms work. They have software to determine what content their users are to be exposed to, and human monitors who delete any content they take exception to.

              “It shouldn’t be impossible for another platform to compete by supporting a different set of views.”

              It isn’t. Try Gab, billed in these pages a couple of days back as a Twitter for fascists.

        3. I have zero followers. My worth approximates infinite.

      5. Yeah censorship has always been the best policy. Just look at how well Hitler, Stalin, Mao all ended and it was so great for personal freedoms.

        1. You miss the sarcasm?

          1. adding to it as he passes by……..

      6. Isn’t this comment section social media? Oh, that’s more evidence against I suppose.

        1. Pogo was right: “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

    2. “Like only one post per day”

      As if anyone NEEDS more than one post per day!!! High-capacity posting abilities will make us all go post-all, so it can NOT be allowed!!!

      1. We should be sure to outlaw devices which increase your rate of posting. Bump mice, for instance.

        1. Fence posting needs to be outlawed.

      2. I agree that no social media user needs more than one post per day. I’m particularly concerned about automatic and semi-automatic posting. I don’t use social media, and I really don’t know a thing about it, but I’ve heard that some sites even allow high-capacity clips that facilitate posts with more than 140 characters. They’re just weapons of mass destruction.

        Clearly, some very serious negative externalities attend social media. It is impossible say which posts should or should not be allowed, or how many posts an individual poster should be allowed to make. The obvious solution is to impose a Pigovian tax on each social media post to offset the social cost of the negative externalitie related to posting on social media. And, obviously, common-sense social media control would ban high-capacity posting, semi-automatic posting, and automatic posting.

        1. No one needs more than 140 characters

          1. Tell it to Marvel Comics

        2. not “Pigovian”, rathe “Hoggovian:.

          THAT dudde NEEDS a muzzle brake on his posting finger. Better yet, not just a suppressor but a SILENCER.

          1. And don’t forget the shoulder thing that goes up!

    3. And no one should be allowed to use the plugin that goes up.

    4. So clearly we need common sense social media control.
      Like a permit with a huge fee to be allowed to have an account.
      Like a required training course with a huge fee, to be allowed to post
      Like a requirement that all posts be under your true name
      Like a requirement for a background check with fingerprints, paid for by the applicant
      Like the local sheriff being the one to approve or disapprove the permit request, with no appeal of the decision
      Like only one post per day
      And a data base of posting offenders who can never again get a permit

      So, basically, StackExchange.

      1. Way too, Ach Tung and buy your way to anywhere here in America. No

    5. That’s it: no more guns for vegans. A hypothyroid condition opens the door to blinding rage at miniscule provocation (real or not).
      But I love the light shone with a little sarcasm in applying prog logic to the first amendment. Nice work, Long. Will they be enlightened? Not a chance – its a modern day cult: facts are mean and opposition is evil. Progs should not be in charge of so much as a picnic. What looks “reasonable” from the wrong side of the looking glass is… upside down. But don’t tell them that, as it just makes them meaner.

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  2. Excruciating? Disturbing? I didn’t see anything that rose above about a 3 on my ‘Weird shit I’ve seen from other cultures (read: Anime)” meter. Maybe I’m old and jaded by Charles Manson’s ramblings, terrorist beheading videos, and police executions.

    1. I always find vegans disturbing. They’re like our version of Islamic Fanaticism.

      1. Not all vegans are fanatics and not all Muslims are fanatics.

        1. Prove it.

        2. So? Not all fanatics are vegan Muslims.

          1. She was not a Muslim either.

          1. At least no rabbits were killed in making her headlines. Some care about individual rights, others are fired up over animal rights, dead prophets, the unborn or the formerly dead.

      2. not even close.

    2. the eyebrows may be the most disturbing part

      1. I realized that I may be focusing on the message or content as being disturbing and ignoring poor production quality. Certainly not the worst I’ve ever seen but it is disturbingly bad by today’s standards and the notion that “Youtube should be paying me for this shit.” is pretty fucked up.

        1. That’s a logical, and disturbing, extension of this new virtual life. Not only do these wack-jobs want to inhabit an imaginary world, they want the real world to reward them for it (cuz they still need actual dollars to buy organic sprouts and wigs).

          1. they should learn how to grow the sprouts themselves at home, then use the sprouts to make their wigs. Simple two-shot takedown of a SEE ree yuss problem.

      2. Is anyone asking who helped her make this video? I smell a story. Of course, everyone has a story. This video, disturbing as it is, doesn’t look home made.

        1. It looks does home made to me, just not self made.

          She keeps the same expression in that video as is shown in the photographs of her circulated in the news media, full tilt boogie peeved off at everything.

    3. She was certainly no Poppy.

  3. “The fact that the shooter is a woman will be used first to undermine the notion that “toxic masculinity” is to blame for shootings until declinists realize they have a more apocalyptic point to make: America’s culture is so toxic that even women are starting to shoot the place up.”

    More likely they’ll notice that she was a female body builder, and conclude that she had an artificial rather than natural case of “testosterone poisoning”.

    1. She was a victim of toxic masculinity and the patriarchy, because she had become so obsessed with having a body image that is based perpetuated by men, to please men. Men are the real culprits here.

      1. Phew. I was starting to have withdrawal symptoms thinking I might not have been responsible for some social evil

  4. As Brian Doherty has noted, there’s virtually nothing that Congress?or the State of California, for that matter?could have done to prevent Aghdam’s spree.

    BULL. SHIT.

    They could do what I’ve been lobbying them and my state legislature to do for YEARS now. Declare veganism a mental illness WHICH IT IS and involuntarily commit my crazy ex-girlfriend so I don’t have to deal with that mess anymore.

    1. q: A vegan walks into a bar- how do you know?
      a: They start talking about it in thirty seconds.

      1. That’s about as funny as a screen door on a battleship.

        1. Q: How do you drown a Vegan?

          A: Paste a scratch-n-sniff sticker to the bottom of a pool.

          1. I think that most vegans are skinny, on the verge of starvation, so I think this one fits…

            Q: What do you call a girl with a yeast infection and anorexia nervosa?

            A: A quarter pounder with cheese!

      2. How many vegans does it take to screw in a light bulb?

        Two, but don’t ask me how they got in the light bulb.

        1. Screwing inside the lightbulb, you say? Now that would make for a good porno.

          1. OMG I’m going to have Debby Boone in my head for the rest of the day

    2. People who hate dark chocolate are mentally ill.

        1. Fist doesn’t like dark chocolate because his taste buds are permanently fucked up from eating nothing but scrapple.

      1. So if dark chocolate and I have a quiet mutual intolerance I can keep my guns?

      2. Also, people who decorate their yards with plastic, ceramic, or concrete lawn gnomes are EXTREMELY mentally ill!

      3. How dark are we talking? Anything up to about 80% I agree. That 90% stuff is gross though.

        1. Racist!

        2. So only mulatto?

          1. Heroic Mulatto?

    3. or at least make the sheriffs issue the Mother May I Cards so folks can go about everywhere with the most effective crime deterrent AND crime stopper ever known. Just think.. since in most sane states the percentage of those with Mother May I Cards runs about ten persent. If there were 2000 employees on site that day, that means somewhere near two hundred would likely have been armed at YooToob. It seems ratioinal to posit that at least ONE of them would have been far closer to the scene of the crime than any of the campus rent-a-coppers were……

  5. People need to understand that ‘free speech’ means protection from the government, not from private companies like youtube and twitter. Furthermore, government policing these services will only make the problem worse. A witch hunt against ‘mentally ill’ will only create more of them. So what’s the solution? Better explaining to immigrants how rights work. And #hugsnotpitchforks.

    1. Yes private companies can do what they want however it has been the politicians from the government telling youtube, facebook etc that they better do something or else they, the government, will. In effect government censorship via threats without actually doing anything else yet.

      1. Otherwise: The chilling effect.

    2. But these idiots, and a growing part of the population, confuse and conflate all public life, real and digital, with the government. For them, it is logical and reasonable to wish for the whole thing to be regulated and controlled, and only slightly delusional to expect this monstrosity to care and provide for them.

    3. Not quite. Those substantive birthright “rights” are ours because we are breathing. Those Articles of Ammendment comprising the Bill of Rights are standing orders to government to see to it that our rights are not infringed.

      Yes, the First starts out CONGRESS shall make no law establishing a religion, or preventing the free exercise thereof. But how may lawsuits have been brought against citizens for things like putting up creche in a public plaze, or even a publically accessible site? Or how many have been brought to compel certain kinds of speech.. such as “I support and embrace your sodomite lifestyle thus will provide my artistic talent or other resources to support, approve of, enhance, promote, your chosen moral standard, notwithstancing it is diametrically opposed to my own carefully consdiered and strongly held moral standards. GOvernment at any level, including courts, cannot be used to compel my speech, nor to prohibit it.

    4. United States v Cruikshank (92 U.S. 542 (1876)) which ruled that the Bill of Rights applied only to infringement by the Federal Government, and not to States or private parties, has been criticized for enabling the Jim Crow Era by preventing application of the Force Act of 1870 to Cruikshank and coconspirators including local government and private KKK who attacked a black voter rights meeting and killed about 100 people in the Colfax courthouse massacre, Grant Parish, Louisiana, 1873. Cruickshank is cited by gun control advocates to justify restrictive state and local gun laws. Under Cruikshank, state and local government and private parties could abuse peoples rights; Cruikshank was a trigger for the infamous 1877 year of violence.

      The dormant Force Act is still in the US Code under Title 18 section 241, “a general conspiracy statute making it a federal crime … for two or more persons to conspire to injure or intimidate any citizen with the intent of hindering his free exercise of any right or privilege guaranteed him by the Constitution or laws of the United States.” – Levy 1991. And after the 1964 Civil Rights Act, it has not as dormant as fans of Cruikshank might think: it was applied in U.S. v Price, U.S. v Guest. Enough small government and corporate abuses against free speech and RKBA could awaken that sleeping giant, and fill it with a terrible resolve.

  6. what do people expect when you try to silence people you only leave them with one alternative, violence.

    Better to let people have their say and be ignored by the masses

    1. Refraining from paying somebody to do something isn’t the same as forbidding them from doing it.

      1. however if you are paying someone then decide not to because of what they are doing isn’t that just another form of censorship.

        Its a fine line for example I used to watch certain comedians but i no longer do since I don’t like what they are saying, so am I censoring? only from myself but I’m not preventing others from viewing them.

        1. “however if you are paying someone then decide not to because of what they are doing isn’t that just another form of censorship.”
          No.

        2. You answered your own question there – no, deciding to not pay someone is not the same as censoring them.

          1. I design buildings and with interpreting codes you often have to explain the question and give the answer so as not to confuse the building officials, also it helps to lead them to the correct answer. Its a thing i do question and answer, lets people understand the thought process

      2. She said they were shadow banning her videos too.

    2. The shitheads who run Twitter, Google, and Faceberg have tried to silence MANY people, and most of them have not resorted to violence as a result.

      As big a bunch of lowlifes as they are, it still doesn’t justify this kind of behavior as a response.

      1. Oddly enough, one of the groups that have been “silenced” by YT and others recently is the… gun nuts. I can’t even wrap my mind around the fact that gun nuts who were silenced by YT have done nothing but complain and attempt to work with YT in order to get their videos back up. It’s almost like the gun nuts aren’t actually nuts.

        Meanwhile, the person who is a vegan (presumably because she thinks it’s bad to injure and kill the poor (but, delicious) animals seems to figure it’s okay to kill people. It’s almost like our general society is completely incapable of actually determining who is or isn’t nuts.

        1. The whole vegan diet is nuts.

          1. Not true. They also eat vegetables.

            1. and grains. And mushrooms. But NOT honey because BEEEEEEZZZZZZZ carry it from the flower to the hive and comb.

              NO ONE has ever explained that one to me. Bees don’t MAKE honey a=like cows make milk, rabbits make fur, and chickens make eggs.

              1. Honey isn’t just flower nectar. You can’t gather honey directly from flowers. There’s a lot of processing that goes on, and bee spit is an important ingredient.

                It would be like saying people don’t really make wine.

                That beeing (yeah, sue me) said, bees are among the most voluntary domestic critters there are. Nothing keeps them in the hives except the fact that they love the awesome living quarters. If a hive gets too populous, they will make an extra queen and part of the hive will swarm away looking for a new home.

              2. Honey isn’t just flower nectar. You can’t gather honey directly from flowers. There’s a lot of processing that goes on, and bee spit is an important ingredient.

                It would be like saying people don’t really make wine.

                That beeing (yeah, sue me) said, bees are among the most voluntary domestic critters there are. Nothing keeps them in the hives except the fact that they love the awesome living quarters. If a hive gets too populous, they will make an extra queen and part of the hive will swarm away looking for a new home.

          2. I’ve got to ask: does anyone find the quality of her video/s more than home made?
            A vegetarian diet, aside from many who don’t wish to hurt sentient beings, is seriously healthy. Flesh protein is comprised of long chain amino acid proteins. It requires putrid bacteria, and energy to utilize. You can eat all the proteins you need, in their immediately utilizable form, with a mixed grain/legume diet. Soy and quinoa are the two known plants that provide all essential and other proteins. Rice is nice

          3. I am sure there are vegans who are allergic to nuts and exclude them from their diet.

            And while some vegans are fanatic, most are not bat crap crazy nuts like the YouTube HQ shooter.

            YouTube bans gun videos in response to Parkland; a vegan nut shoots up YouTube for restricting her videos to mature audiences; the knee jerk reaction before the facts were known was to blame gun nuts. Says a lot to me about the anti-gun nuts.

    3. are you trying to blame youtube for this? lol thats just pathetic

  7. If everyone who’s as utterly devoid of talent as this woman flips out and goes on a shooting spree, we’re all going to have to carry routinely to defend ourselves.

    -jcr

    1. If this incident is what convinced you you’re coming to the table a bit late. A walk through a Walmart should show you should never leave home without your heat.

      1. I always wonder what Walmart must be like in other places. I hear stories of crazy people, crazy fat people, crazy fat white people.

        Never seen them in a Walmart out West. Don’t really see them at all out here. Maybe its not Walmart. Maybe its just that that’s the way it is where you live.

        1. Yeah, it depends on where you live. The Walmart near me now is mostly crazy fat people of all colors (with a surprisingly large crust-punk contingent), but the one in Charlottesville when i lived there was almost exclusively patronized by huge families of Mennonites.

          1. I liked the Ohio (which is where most of my Amish family is) communities mostly, then I loved to TN, and it is red neck country… then I went to Atlanta for graduation and they had mostly blacks there, which was not surprising, but the security guards were interesting, only checking your purchases like water and pop. Anything else was OK.

    2. Knowing how many folks are left to freely run about in public without their needed custodian is the very thing that has led me to carry everywhere for the past decade or more. I sepcially carry in WalMart and Costco and Home Cheapo. Never mind their company “policies”. NONE of them have the regulation signs posted, so their preferences are mere suggestions. No force of law.

      1. They are not ‘mere suggestions’ and violating them is not only rude, it’s tresspassing.

        Don’t like third policies, take your business elsewhere. There’s hardly anything in them that you can’t order online anyway.

        1. Spot on. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like you are completely disregarding private property rights; one of the pillars of libertarianism.

          Don’t like the store policy? Go to a different store.

          1. If you operate a business open to the general public, you cannot treat that business property like private property. Don’t want to deal with the general public? Start a members-only private club, require membership cards.

            Laws such Texas statute 30.06 are pretty clear about what is legally binding No Firearms Allowed signage. Such signage however is practically binding only on persons with legal carry permits, and wink-and-nudge signage may be posted that is not binding against permit holders. A local business had a No Illegal Weapons sign that did not quite match Tennessee state requirements; inquiry indicated the owner was OK with the implication to unpermitted carriers that people with permits might be present.

  8. So shooting wasn’t the only thing she never mastered.

    1. Thread winner.

    2. well, she DID finally get it in the end………. saves California a lot of money they now won’t have to spend to “process”” her.

  9. The core tenet of Veganism seems to be a reverence for the sanctity of life. Seems to be. Not death to animals, not cruelty to animals, not even the mild annoyance to animals by milking them.

    So why did a Vegan go into a building to shoot living being and spill their blood? Was she a bad Vegan, or do Vegans not consider humans to be worthy of non-violence, or is Veganism really just about the posing?

    1. I’m no fan of veganism, and in fact, there are no live vegans; every one eats animal protein in some form or they die.
      But I’m not sure you can draw any general lessons from this whacko.

      1. That’s totally false, dude. The only thing plant sources lack is B12, which you can get from nutritional yeast.

        1. BREAD IS MURDER

          1. Better Dead than Bread….

        2. This gentleman disagrees:
          “But there is no reliable B12 in Plant Foods, including tempeh, seaweeds, and organic produce. Luckily, vitamin B12 is made by bacteria and doesn’t need to be obtained from animal products.”
          https://veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12/

          1. Bacteria is the only thing that can create B-12. No plant or animal or fungus (yeast) can create it. The reason it exists in animals is because animals eat bacteria – but bacteria is itself not an animal. It’s its own thing. But it can be added to non-animal foods as well – eg yeast, cereal, etc.

            1. So live vegans lie; they just eat small animals.
              Real vegans die.

              1. Vegans eat bacteria. Bacteria is not an animal.

                1. #bacterialivesmatter

            2. bacteria, moulds, yeasts, fungi, are all animals…… certainly not vertebrate warm blooded mammals…. Anton van Leeuwhenhoek when he first discovered them called them “animalcules”.

              Plants generally don’t move about without help. Bacteria and the rest do,mostly.

              1. Anton van Leeuwhenhoek when he first discovered them called them “animalcules”.

                Well biology has advanced a bit in the last 300 years. Taxonomy historical timeline

                1. Taxonomy is theft.

        3. but it is VERY difficult to get the full range of amino acids with non-meat only sources. Further there are quite a number of enzymes and other compounds vital for health that don’t come from the vegetable kingdom very often, and when they do it is in small doses. Vegans and veggie tarians seldom have a well rounded long term diet. Smoe of the hardest to get things in the non-critter category are building blocks for the CNS and brain……

          1. It is easier and more economic to get balanced nutrition through a vegetable and meat diet. If one has the time and money to do it right, a vegan diet may make an interesting hobby. I suspect though that a balanced vegan diet is difficult and the vegan poseurs are actually malnourished.

            I do draw the line at cannibalism: human flesh is the end product of proper human nutrition and is the tactical equivalent of a toxic waste dump; long term cannibals in New Guinea exhibit an insanity some have called Mad Human Disease after Mad Cow Disease that showed up in cattle fed processed cattle flesh. It is also an uneconomic dietary model and unsustainable over the long run.

        4. Yeast is alive, you monster!

    2. You’re gonna look for logical consistency in a person having a probable psychotic break?

    3. Some vegans do call for the elimination of humans as the unnatural scourge pest of the planet

      1. Apparently they have never seen the nature documentary where the lion takes down the gazelle. Or had a pet cat and a pet bird at the same time.

      2. Most realize that then they would have no one to flaunt their moral superiority to, and most do not call for the elimination of those of lesser dietary preferences.

    4. Because she was fucking nuts. Don’t look for any logic there.

      1. Nothing a logic long deep dicking couldn’t fix.

    5. Well, she is quoted as saying animal rights EQUAL human rights. To me she was a bad example of that when she said in her mind that the humans pissed her off so much that they need be shot. She also would not kill arts as a kid, but I guess humans are OK to harm.

  10. Guns don’t kill people, eyebrows kill people.

    1. Freida and Kalo.

      1. Friedakalo – its one word;)

    2. The only way to stop a bad vegan with a gun is a good vegan with a gun. No, wait.

      1. It’s a rare vegan who has the arm strength to hold a gun up for very long in the first place.

  11. I am deeply uncomfortable with the mental health aspect of this debate. Mental illness is not a simple subject, it is very susceptible to abuse, and the government should stay the hell out of it.

    Not that they will.

    The rule should be dead simple; if you are a citizen you must register for selective service (Hey, Ladies! Take it up with you local NOW rep!) and you may vote, drink, smoke, drive, and own a gun. If you are not a citizen, for any reason, any and all of those activities may be needed to you, and voting should be. If we are going to make mental illness a bar to gun ownership, then the threshold should be “is this person so mentally ill that he/she should not be considered a citizen?”

    1. Wut. Mentally ill people should be stripped of their citizenship?

      1. Not where I’m, going, but certainly a legitimate concern. I want the government to treat the vast majority of people like adults, including people who have mental health problems that do not meet a rigorous standard. Basically, if some buttinsky wants to take your guns from you they should have to prove in a court of law that you should be committed for you own safety or the safety of others.

        1. Hang on to your hat. With any luck you’ll avoid having to deal with a parent with “early ” Alzheimer’s diagnosis. Bolt your ass to your seat as you attempt guardianship as the dodderer continues driving.

        2. Yup. If an individual is dangerous enough to be stripped of their right to arms, they are also dangerous enough to be stripped of their freedom to move about in public without a custodian.

          This creature, and the recent examples we saw in action in Parkland FL and SUtherland Springs TX are certainly in that category.

    2. > if you are a citizen you must register for selective service

      Wait, I must take affirmative steps to make it easier to enslave me – but I get to have a gun in exchange?

      How about I take the gun and shoot the motherfucker trying to draft me?

    3. Why do we want more wars?

      1. More quickenings?

    4. I’m uncomfortable with it, too, for a different aspect of the fluid subjectivity of “mental illness.”

      Mental illness isn’t at the root of these shootings. Being angry, entitled little assholes with no impulse control or no coping skills is. Assholery isn’t mental illness.

      If the government gets into the business of indexing people’s mental health (in a ham-fisted fashion, of course) for the purpose of refusing them things (like guns, driver’s licenses, licenses to practice, construction permits, who knows what else), sooner or later, the vast population of mislabeled “mentally ill” people will figure out that if they don’t have full rights, why should they work?

      What if another 150 million people, after seeing that the government has labeled them too mentally ill, too high a risk to purchase guns, decide that they want to quit their jobs and just collect Social Security/disability? If they get turned down, they’ll just sue based on the government’s belief that they’re too mentally ill to own firearms. It’s a dumb idea and a dumb path.

    5. “if you are a citizen you must register for selective service and you may vote, drink, smoke, drive, and own a gun”.

      Weirdly, you do not indicate that being deprived of all that neat citizen-y stuff also has – as a corollary – a removal of the ‘obligation’ to fund all the vermin who live off taxpayers.

      Also: the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights do not apply solely to citizens – the BoR (and the constitution generally) does not ‘create’ rights… rights exist by virtue of an individual being a real live (adult[?]) human being. The constitution and BoR attempts (unsuccessfully) to force government to recognise (a subset of) inherent rights, and proscribes .gov doing stuff that violates those rights.

      By all means, make government a subscription service – there are plenty of people stupid enough to sign up, just as there are millions of people stupid enough to borrow money to undertake university study when they are objectively non-top-decile students (and therefore tertiary education will not increase their lifetime earnings).

      Moving from compulsory to voluntary worked for churches. Kinda.

  12. Is anyone else looking at that picture and hearing tiptoe through the tulips?

    1. You need to close the other tab and hit the play button on the picture that is really a video.

    2. I’m hearing: “When they came for the whackos, I said nothing…”

  13. What will be left will be more and more calls for stepping up “mental health awareness,” both by medical professionals and by the rest of us.

    And leading the charge will be the GOP and the NRA. Why? Because it’s anything but gun control.

    Funny how those against preemptively inhibiting the rights of gun owners are all for preemptively taking away rights based on what they see in their crystal balls.

    When we say both Teams are the same…

    1. It’s because they are? In a critique of the LP Bernie wrote that “None of the good things that would actually increase personal liberty have moved ahead.” The 1972 LP platform opposed the draft, PROVIDED the Roe v. Wade decision, blunted conscription, favored legalization of weed, stopped the increase of federal unproductive hands and forced the Gee Oh Pee and Dixiecrats to quit having the cops roll queers. To Bernie and his Republican Kleptocracy pals, that’s nothing.

      1. Goddamn you say the most pointlessly bizarre and obscure things.

    2. Right, becasue the NRA has always and everywhere opposed any sort of gun restrictions. And that’s why we don’t have any restrictions in this country.

      Or maybe they’ve looked at all the existing restrictions and noticed that they dind’t seem to do much in the way of preventing these recent events.

      So, maybe they are seeking to limit future restrictions to the least number of otherwise innocent people, and instead choosing restrictions that would at least appear to possibly have had some effect on the latest shooters, who by golly, sure seem to have had some underlying mental issues.

  14. That’s a… drag queen, right? Right?

    1. No, it’s Tiny Tim redoux.

    2. That’s a… drag queen, right? Right?

      Agreed, my first impression was similar.

    3. I thought it was a crossdresser. If it was a drag queen, you’d know.

    4. If that’s what does it for you why not.

  15. Oh, I don’t know…I found the video…cute.

    Seriously, there’s literally nothing that could be done or any law to prevent this. I’d chalk this one up to ‘one of those unfortunate tragedies’.

    I feel bad for her and her family.

    1. Seriously, there’s literally nothing that could be done or any law to prevent this. I’d chalk this one up to ‘one of those unfortunate tragedies’.

      Nobody died except the shooter. Depending on how quickly the one remaining victim recovers, I’m loathe to call it a tragedy. Otherwise, Chicago has had like 6 tragedies so far this week.

      1. Fair enough.

      2. “Depending on how quickly the one remaining victim recovers, I’m loathe to call it a tragedy.”
        I stubbed my toe soon after reading about it, so there’s two of us.

      3. six so far today in Chicago, more likely.

        And there ARE plenty of things California can do to limit such activity: first, how’s about letting the LAW ABIDING legal residents of that state exercise their RIGHT to defend themselves by carrying about with them upon their persons the defensive tool THEY feel most comfortable carrying about? Had the typical one in ten adults in that building been armed, perhaps she never would have gotten off her second round? OR perhaps not ever have been able to draw, acquire target, and fire the first time. ANd had this vegan jamtart had to consider the likelhood that SOMEONE else would be armed, it is likely she’d have waited out at her boyfriend’s car to off him, IF that is really why she brought her gun.

        1. six so far today in Chicago, more likely.

          I meant six groups of 3-4 gunshot victims. There really have/had been like 18 people shot and (at least) injured so far this week.

        2. It turns out, despite initial reports that the man shot was her boyfriend, she came from San Diego To YouTube HQ and shot three random YouTube employees over the fact YouTube had labelled her videos for Mature audiences and hurt her income (and her ability to spread her message that animal life was sacred).

    2. It was pretty much a very dramatic suicide, with some attempted murder thrown in. A crazy person acting crazy. Nothing to learn from or do about this.

      1. “Nothing to learn from or do about this.”

        Some users of Youtube really disapprove of Youtube’s high-handed way; one, even to the point of suicide.

        1. Flip off enough people in traffic and one of them will get homicidal on you.

    3. “Seriously, there’s literally nothing that could be done or any law to prevent this.”

      Who says? Youtube could have had a more accessible, more accountable filtration procedure. That may have been enough to prevent this incident.

  16. The tricky thing with saying something like this is it does leave the door open for the argument by the gun control groups that all guns should simply be banned. Of course there will still be attacks via other means, but that won’t matter to them.

    “there’s virtually nothing that Congress?or the State of California, for that matter?could have done to prevent Aghdam’s spree. “California,” he writes, “already has a set of gun control laws that are seen by most pro?gun control types as something the nation should aspire to. YouTube’s offices had armed security.” The Golden State also allows family members and police to easily get a restraining order barring an individual from carrying a gun (more on that in a moment).”

    1. This has been the worry for decades. We know gun control doesn’t work, so eventually we are going to get to gun confiscation.

      1. Yeah. alcohol regulation didn’t work including common sense local option prohibition, so we got the federal 18th Amendment in 1920, repealed by the evil demon Liquor Lobby in 1933.

    2. Of course there will still be attacks via other means, but that won’t matter to them.

      And there will still be millions and millions of guns. Banning guns doesn’t make them magically disappear. If a ban does come around there are going to be an awful lot of people “losing” a lot of guns and ammo.

      1. And Deerfield, IL’s most recent banning of assault weapons (in line with other parts of Cook County) has highlighted another layered paradox for me personally.

        Part of what makes Deerfield’s ban legal is they’re asking for people to turn their guns in or move them out of the village voluntarily. There will be no specific seizures and no direct criminal fines for weapons found by police. A $250 per diem holding fee will be applied until you can transfer the gun outside the Village.

        First, face-palmingly, “Look ma, no door-to-door raids!”

        Second, as long as there is no crime, and no need for rifles, there’s no problem. However, at the first sign of a crime problem that the police are generally incapable of responding to, people will arm themselves. Then not only will the crime problem still be overwhelming, but the police will have to juggle “weapons storage” for the innocent people who contact them about crime.

        It’s like these people haven’t ever been exposed to the laws of thermodynamics and ordered systems. They just make thing more complex and declare the problems solved without the slightest understanding that arbitrarily added complexity generally makes systems less efficient.

    3. Claw hammers, bare hands/feet, other blunt insturments, are used dozens of times more per year to murder people than guns are so used. Ban guns, as Australia, England, France, etc have done, and violent criminals simply find other means. Intent is what drives murder. When Cain killed Abel, God did NOT banish the rock/club/whatever tool was used. Nope. He banished Cain.

      1. Victoria state police petitioned the Australian national government to stop adding pistol laws: it was creating a black market in pistols and making the job of the police harder.

        Australian biker gangs make MAC-10 submachineguns in their workshops. If you can machine hard-to-find motorcycle parts from raw materials, making a MAC-10 or STEn or SwedishK is easy.

        When Australian drug gangs send buyers to Europe for precursor chemicals, they use the same counterfeit paper work techniques to acquire handguns, strip them down to small parts, ship them to Australia, and have them reassembled in their drug workshops for sale on the streets,

        Violent criminals in Australia have not simply found other means, they have found ways to circumvent the gun bans.

        It is not hard to find articles on Do-It-Yourself guns recovered by foreign police in so-called gun-free nations at web sites like TheFirearmsBlog.

  17. Maybe she should have produced some vegan condom snorting videos

    1. -1 lambskin

  18. That video is something else. I love how the upbeat music is completely out-of-sync with the message being conveyed.

  19. My buddy just went vegan. I’ll have to show him this video.

  20. Your constitutional rights will be defined by the lowest, craziest denominator.

    That’s how realistic people with discernment look at all this.

  21. At first news I feared this might be another Saracen berserker plot to rid the world of infidels. But with a name like Nasim Aghdam or Tashfeen Malik, you know it’s just another Kansas, Iowa or Central Texas gal, as American as the Dixie Chicks, doubtless stressed out by California’s high taxes and paternalistic overregulation. So that’s a BIG sigh of relief there, good buddy. Out.

  22. Latest news. Shooter visited shooting range the morning of the event. Evidently needs more time given her results.

    1. Some people are not able to learn…

  23. So the state with the most restrictive laws in the US was not able to stop her? How is that possible? California is supposed to be the model for gun control in the US. They have banned everything possible and yet, a nut still got a gun. interesting……

  24. Didn’t look like she was hurting for money, unless her apparently rich parents cut her off or something.

    1. Cut into her Faberge Egg budget.

  25. I admit that I want to see her age restricted workout video.

    1. That’s not the only unibrow she has..

  26. Hitler was a vegetarian. So was Gandhi. So what? This person, vegan animal rights activist can crack and whatever with a gun. Sad stuff, for sure. Hitler loved dogs and children too, and presumably his mistress.

    1. didI get this right? HItler was a vegetarian, and he loved dogs and children.. and even his mistress?

      1. Uhm, yes.

  27. One problem is that we live in a post satiric society. There is no way to distinguish a fake video making fun of these loons from the loons themselves. Social media is the great leveler that way – there’s no longer any difference between the sane and the insane.

    1. Empress; beautifully said

    2. One problem is that we live in a post satiric society. There is no way to distinguish a fake video making fun of these loons from the loons themselves.

      TVTropes referrs to it as Poe’s Law.

  28. I wrote before I watched the video. Then I watched it. And came here to write my thoughts about it. It is deeply disturbing; to know something took her to where she did what she did, and watch her vent her rage on this bizarre video. (I like bizarre, but this, not so much.). I have been vegetarian for about 50 years. My best friend eats steak about every day. I repeat this, but, and Hitler was a vegetarian. So was Gandhi.
    What has struck me disturbedly (sp?..:-) is, who helped her produce that video? WTF is that all about. Talk to them, and the story unfolds. I know it can be done, but, and that video is way too slick for a home production.

    1. who helped her produce that video?

      I asked myself the same question.

  29. Over 99 percent of mass killers are males. Warren Farrell explains why in his brand-new book “The Boy Crisis.”

    Gun-control advocates need to understand that a mass killer’s intent is not to kill with a gun. It is to kill.

    See what I mean in:

    “Gun Control and Mass Killers”
    https://relevantmatters.wordpress.com/
    2016/06/30/rush-draft-why-gun-
    control-fails-against-mass-killers/

    Join the links and delete the spaces.

  30. she is a muslim and you wish to ignore that fact and youtube has ELIMINATED her videos!!

    There are over 370 “mental disorders” listed in the latest version of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.) The list includes “Tobacco Addiction Disorder” among other equally mundane and ridiculous so-called “mental illnesses.”
    If the DSM is the standard by which politicians wishes to remove our rights to own guns, then I’d guess 90% of the American people could probably be classified with a mental disorder of one kind or another.
    BEWARE, BEWARE

    1. Mental health is the avenue to gun control..
      American Psychiatric Asso says Half of Americans are mentally ill..
      After crafting by politicians and Media all will be crazy except for the media/politicians..
      300 million prescriptions for psychiatric drugs were written in 2009 alone..
      Your children on medication for ADHD?
      Single woman with children diagnosed with depression?
      be careful what you ask for

    2. anyone who runs for public office must be nuts… so we get to start with that lot, right?

    3. Yeppers; I used to work with kids (ret.); there is a “teenage defiance disorder”. Uhm, sheaauh…?

  31. Mental health as a weapon against the people is communist in origin..

    Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

    Deceptive Transformation: The Truth of Soviet Influence in America and Gun Control…The idea of using mental health as a weapon against the people is communist in origin, and the social sciences, or the studying of human behavior has its roots in early twentieth century Russia when Ivan Pavlov developed his “classical conditioning” theories. In fact, Pavlov was disturbed that Vladimir Lenin would use these conditioning methods against the people in order to get them to accept communism. Since that time the social sciences have been used as a means of maintaining control over populations and getting them to accept their own down fall. This is happening today in the United States as our universities and public schools have long ago adopted educational techniques based on the social sciences and classical conditioning methods.

    1. We have a puppy we are raising, Labrador. Classical conditioning certainly works. Do this and you get a reward, do that and bad dog no. He is doing well and learning quickly.

      People are more complicated. The social scientists think they have something but do not understand neuroscience which does not understand itself yet.

      1. Dogs were already bred heavily for a very small number of traits, which makes them much easier to condition.

        If we come up with a truly accurate way to characterize people, we’ll be able to condition them every bit as well as we can dogs.

        I’m reflexively anti-control. It makes me very easy to control – just tell me what I can’t do…

  32. Subjects like White Privilege and Multiculturalism are used to demoralize our population, create a guilt consciousness and silence us into accepting a new agenda based on the idea that we have been unfair, and our lifestyles are oppressive, and offensive to others. This agenda dates back to the early twentieth century; however, it saw some of its most major advances in the mid 1900’s after the U.N. was created in 1945. While many people today view the Democrat Party as being made mostly of communists or socialists; the sad truth is that the Republican Party is just as responsible for what we are seeing in education and culture in the United States today.

  33. REASON . COM is censoring my comment

  34. I, for one, welcome our Vegan-fanatasism De-Monentising Overlords.

  35. This has more in common with the Scalise shooting than most mass shootings. It was a politically or ideologically motivated assassination attempt. Add another one to the growing list of political violence perpetuated by the fringe of the left.

    When you understand how they operate, It’s not really contradictory that a vegan would take a life. The radical left reduces freedom to banner causes and dogmatic identity politics. So you’ll see the likes of Harvey Weinstein, who detests the NRA and gender pay gap but rapes women in his spare time.

    If your philosophy is “It’s OK to punch a Nazi”, your methods will be easy to anticipate. This is hardly anything new. They live in a constant state of agitation and anger and will take every opportunity to lash out against their political opponent. No venue is spared – Twitter, college campuses, football games, freeways, award shows, local stores, etc. No one BUT the left will make a practice of throwing bricks at police and assault speakers on college campuses as part of what passes as discourse in their circle.

    Mass shootings are typically apolitical, but many of the shooters had an unhealthy obsession with violence and anarchy. The media grew restless over Trump not condemning the alt right more explicitly or blame the right wing for “violent rhetoric”, but they turn a blind eye to the left’s increasing fanaticism that only fuels radicalism.

    1. Reason; let ranrod speak; the people can decide. Keep free speech alive, no matter. Censorship changes nothing; it just slows down discourse to reason

  36. One thing that seems to be getting ‘glossed over’ is the woman shooter was actually an intolerant islamist
    shipping these ‘refugees’ into Our country does have a price–Look at the violence taking place all over the world, everywhere ‘refugees’ are received and you will see more of the same

    I feel for the dems, their policies cause the intelligent voters they currently have to change sides & wherever will they find new voters dumb enough to buy their schemes, but even so I don’t wish these type people on anyone except muslim countries

    1. I definitely think it’s fair to ask why so-called “refugees” countries of origin are unlivable. And sorry-not-sorry, but one of the answers is “because it’s filled with lots of people just like them.”

      When you get a cab ride with a Sudanese refugee and he rants at you the entire time about how the loose women in this country need to cover up and not leave their homes unless they’re accompanied by male relatives, it’s not so hard to see why his homeland is a shithole.

  37. The only thing worse than an animal rights wacko is one with an eating disorder, Vegans should be shunned.

  38. I think someone in HR needs to answer for this. . .

    One can understand the chicks frustration with Google’s censorship policies, but not worth anyone’s life though. She kinda shortened her protesting career by this.

    Larry Page and Sergey Brin should be hauled before Congress. Google should be broken up by the courts. Whille I won’t argue it is their platform, but leftist policies and censorship are that large of a scale should not be tolerated. The laws need to be changed.

    1. I was left wondering who helped her make this video? It could have been done at home, but, and iwasn’t, I don’t believe. What is really going on here? Who is behind the camera?

  39. “Only people whom have been declared incompetent…”

    Sorry, Nick, but that gets a “who”, not “whom”.

  40. Almost everything the article says seems to be wrong. Unlike the other recent mass shootings, my Facebook feed has seen ZERO posts on this one. There is no debating gun control, the shooter’s background, etc. Total silence. You forgot that if it doesn’t fit the narrative, it doesn’t get airtime.

  41. Mental illness is a complicated field.

    Many people have been treated for depression. It is very common.

    That is usually transient and resolves. People with that may be a danger to themselves but rarely others.

    It is how they get those high numbers.

    It should not be classified as mental illness in the sense we are talking about.

    You look at this woman. Was she mentally ill? IDK what sane person would do that? But my guess is a medical evaluation of her six months ago would be benign. She ‘snapped’ and went into a rage.

    There is no way to predict that.

    This is for law enforcement to deal with, not psychiatric medicine.

  42. Where’s the disturbing part? Her youtube movies make about as much sense as most content there. Violent insanity doesn’t disturb me as much as it used to. I’m numb from two decades worth of bizarre Drudge headlines and surreptitious CNN instant replays of collapsing sky scrapers , and “classic” sequences out of 30 year old horror flicks that cause me to doze off. Really, going by what I’ve read, this one nutjob is one of millions of nutjobs in this country. The ones I actually do worry about are the ones who drive their cars off the road next to my house at 3am.

  43. Lady Gaga needs to be institutionalized as well. Along with the President and the leadership of both major parties.

  44. Fellini meets Devo

  45. There is something the government can do to protect from such shootings. Liberalize gun ownership and carry permits to all citizens who have not committed felony crimes.

  46. I’ve seen film loops at prestigious art galleries and museums – what I think some call “performance art” that were pretty much as nutty and annoying that this gal’s video.

  47. Wow. That chick was seriously whacked (no pun intended). If meat is murder, then so are leather shoes and purses.

    PS. Reason needs to find an editor who knows the who/whom rule.

  48. At least this Leftist nutjob had the courtesy of killing herself. If only all the other Leftists idiot would do the same thing.

    1. And she did it not by shooting her head off, but in her damn chest?! Yikes!

  49. Well, I can think of one thing YouTube could do.

    Here’s a bet that YouTube offices are a gun-free zone. Although they have armed security, those folks may or may not have been where they were needed when the shooting started…let alone whether they can be depended on to risk life and limb to stop a shooter.

    However, if YouTube wasn’t a gun free workplace, then its possible an armed citizen could have spotted her and defended themselves, or at least further minimized the casualties.

    So, there sure as shit is SOMETHING that could be done. It just isn’t gun control.

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  51. What psychotropic cocktail was this woman on?

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