Donald Trump

Trump's Turned Republicans Into Everything They Once Hated

How times change

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If you could jump into a Wayback Machine and travel to the United States, circa late 1960s, you would find the country torn between two political tribes.

One tribe consisted of anti-establishment radicals who preached sexual license and thought Washington was a nest of vipers that conspired with one another to thwart social and economic progress. They were not necessarily communist, but they did not hold with the orthodox view that the Soviet Union represented a threat to the United States. The more extreme elements, such as the Weather Underground, favored the use of violence to bring about the sort of society in which they believed.

These people were the New Left.

The other tribe consisted of pro-establishment Middle Americans who cherished traditional morality, believed in law and order, and venerated institutions such as the FBI. They abhorred Russia and the pinkos who were soft on communism, and they considered radical elements in American society—especially the ones prone to violence—a grave threat to the nation.

As G. Gordon Liddy, a former FBI agent and one of the Watergate plotters, put it in his autobiography: "Looking back now… many people think of that time as the era of the 'flower-child' and wonder how we could think of them as a war-like enemy." He then quotes Mark William Rudd, a leader of the Weathermen, extolling the virtues of blowing up banks and police stations. "That, to me, is war," Liddy wrote. "I was ready. And willing."

These people were called conservatives.

Boy, how times change.

Over the past few months—thanks to a Certain Someone whose name starts with T and rhymes with clump—these two groups have reappeared. Only this time, they have largely switched places.

The Tribe of the Left certainly has undergone some transformation. Its views on the virtues of a special counsel have shifted since Ken Starr has been replaced by Robert Mueller. Its thoughts on Russia have shifted since the days when Barack Obama lampooned Mitt Romney's warnings about Russia by telling him the 1980s were calling to ask for their foreign policy back, and The New York Times piled on, denouncing Romney's "craven politics" and "shocking lack of knowledge."

But the real metamorphosis has occurred on the right.

It is no new insight to note the extent to which Republicans, who once were horrified by Bill Clinton's sexual improprieties, now dismiss or even defend Donald Trump's. A few days ago, after news of Trump's dalliance with a porn star broke, the Rev. Franklin Graham argued that while Trump is not "President Perfect," he "does have concern for Christian values." High praise indeed.

Many conservatives also have decided that defending Trump is more important than defending the FBI against his attacks. In certain right-wing media, the Deep State controls the levers of power in D.C., and the FBI is now little more than a conspiracy of leftists dedicated to electing Hillary Clinton and bringing down Donald Trump. The evidence for this theory is laughably thin—a couple of text messages, former FBI director Jim Comey's recommendation against charging Clinton with a crime, and… um… hang on a sec while they find their notes. Gotta be around here somewhere.

The derangement has spread to the point that Rush Limbaugh recently suggested the Deep State had tried to bring down George W. Bush: "You remember what the intelligence agencies were telling us about the War in Iraq? …There is detail, there were photos, there was conclusive evidence Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and it wasn't just us. It was MI-5, it was MI-6, it was intelligence agencies all over the world. What if the intel on the War in Iraq was another disinformation campaign to damage another Republican president? And boy did that work! Just what if, the quote-unquote intelligence community misrepresented on purpose the degree to which the Hussein had WMDs. Because I tell you it was a very, very embarrassing moment for the Bush administration."

Now, Limbaugh claims, "the Deep State has been trying to undermine Donald Trump since he was a candidate." As for Russia, many conservatives are rethinking their old antipathy, and many Republicans now admire Vladimir Putin outright. Why? Well, Trump seems to like him, so….

All of this might be funny if not for the menace at the edges. Although mainstream conservatives abjure and even revile them, the elements of the alt-right have gained a dismaying foothold in contemporary politics (see: Breitbart and Steve Bannon). And as the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville this past August shows, the alt-right is willing to resort to violence—for which it will be partly excused by the president.

Indifference to sexual libertinism. Pro-Moscow sympathies. Paranoid conspiracy theories. A violent, radical fringe. Hatred of the G-men at the FBI, along with the rest of The Corrupt Establishment. Four decades ago such markers defined the radical left—and everything about liberalism that conservatives loathed. Now, they increasingly define the American right—all thanks to Donald Trump.

This column originally appeared in the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

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  1. I think he may have just outed them for what they always were.

    1. Yup, this right here.

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    2. Possibly. It seems to me that Republicans are shifting to where Democrats were 20 or 30 years ago while Democrats shift into outright socialists. Meanwhile, there are still a few ‘conservative’ and ‘libertarian leaning’ members on the Republican side that are, of course, not terribly respected by the New Republican party.

      I could be way off base, but the fact that Trump was a Democrat for virtually his entire life prior to a fairly recent change is indicative to me. If more ‘old school’ Democrats continue to shift into the Republican party as the Democrats outright alienate them, I would expect this ‘change’ to accelerate.

      The question of where those ‘conservative’ and ‘libertarian leaning’ members go is an open question but it’s getting harder to ignore that they’re a minority in their own party.

      1. I didn’t vote for Trump, because I don’t vote for Democrats.

        I’m also no longer a Republican, because I wouldn’t stay a member of a book club that chose Trump as its leader, much less a political party.

      2. Democrats are outright communist traitors. They are best dealt with before they deal with the rest of us. Only a damned fool can’t see that.

        1. Democrats are outright traitors.

          Republicans are half-educated, superstitious, gullible bigots.

          Where is the hope for America?

          1. Given the state of a college edukashun these days, it depends on your definition of ‘half-educated’. Edward Snowden was a college dropout, as were Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.

            If being edumakated means advocating suppressing or overturning the 1st and 2nd amendment, I’ll take someone half-educated over a liberal arts professor any day of the week.

            “Republicans, who once were horrified by Bill Clinton’s sexual improprieties, now dismiss or even defend Donald Trump’s”

            As far as I know, Trump hasn’t committed perjury by lying to a grand jury… yet.

          2. Phone book lottery that grabs fresh college grads for one two year term in the house, then bars them from serving in office for 15 years, after which they may run for senate or the presidency. Don’t panic… you won’t notice any difference anyway, as that’s how its done right now: the interns are fresh out of school/wet behind the ears and doing all the reading and analysis for current congressmen anyway. This will give us both more sunlight, and because they are noobs that haven’t learned to lie so well yet, the DOJ can actually push back against the yet unconnected arrivals to DC.
            The challenge to that is keeping the senate from driving too much legislation obviously, but since all spending bills must originate in the House there is an equalizer.

    3. No, the pompously named A. Barton is completely wrong, but you communists just can’t see the forest for the trees.
      On just a single one of his claims: There’s a lot more to the FBI, turning into a cover for leftist policies than what Hinkle mentions, though their kid-glove treatment of HiLIARy should be enough.

      1. “former FBI director Jim Comey’s recommendation against charging Clinton with a crime”

        This is/was a VERY big deal. Not only the decision, but the sequence of decision in April, tarmac meeting in June, and absolution in July points to a very biased agency (or at least top agents).

    4. Not always.

      I recall a Republican Party that prized limited government, reason, tolerance, freedom, education, progress, competence, and science.

      That was before backwardness, bigotry, superstition, dogma, ignorance, authoritarianism, insularity, and disaffectedness became popular among Republicans, a development that involved importing millions of racist, mostly southern goobers from the Democratic Party for decades and making them an indispensable element of the current Republican-conservative electoral coalition.

      1. I recall a Republican Party that prized limited government, reason, tolerance, freedom, education, progress, competence, and science.

        The golden era of “Operation Wetback.”

      2. Arty, I have a hard time believing you’re real. Your pablum is just too cliche to buy into. However, if you’re on the level, then I hope you meet a swift and miserable end.

      3. I recall that party, too. The Democrats beat them like a rug, and proved to them that there wasn’t enough demand in America for small government, so they gave up on it, and retools to appeal to the America Democrats had created.

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  2. I’m trying to figure out why I should care about anything Limbaugh has to say.

  3. Well Russia doesn’t espouse communism anymore. Republicans have long been favorable to its new look, oligarchy. For example, they don’t bat an eye when it’s told how the Koch brothers essentially single-highhandedly choose who gets to be the GOP nominees for Congress.

    1. single-handedly*

      When did this thing get autocorrect?

    2. “For example, they don’t bat an eye when it’s told how the Koch brothers essentially single-highhandedly choose who gets to be the GOP nominees for Congress.”

      So they ignore lefty lies? How surprising.

    3. Why does everyone always blather on about the Kochs and Soros like they are boogeymen who live under your bed?

      1. The Kochs aren’t the bogeyman, they’re simply people who every year spend more money than you will ever see in 10 lifetimes buying congressional seats. It’s the definition of oligarchy.

        1. So it’s bad when a Koch does this, and good when a Soros or Tom Steyer does it?

          I mean, this is assuming you’re even correct about the underlying point which is not a point I’m willing to concede. However, it is amusing that assuming you’re correct still reveals you to be a blithering partisan idiot.

          Also, how does one ‘buy’ a seat exactly? Does spending automatically mean you win a race? The facts don’t seem to line up with that opinion.

          1. So it’s bad when a Koch does this, and good when a Soros or Tom Steyer does it?

            Well, duh. Principals, not principles.

            You see, when Democrats lose it’s because they were outspent by the other side. Except in the cases where they outspend their opponents, in which case there was some other nefarious scheme going on. Thing is, the Democrats truly represent The People. So whenever they lose an election there was something shady going on. Whereas the Republicans represent the rich. Anyone who votes for them is rich or deluded. There is no other explanation.

          2. Maybe Tony figures t is bad when the Kochs do it but not when Soros and Steyer do because the Kochs have been more successful at it.

          3. “Also, how does one ‘buy’ a seat exactly? Does spending automatically mean you win a race?”

            Of course you can buy an election. That’s why Hillary won in a landslide, she outspent the Orange One 2:1.

          4. You don’t buy the seat, you buy the politician. Find someone who’s got a chance of winning, give them a lot of money, and they will be grateful to you for a year or two. If they get elected then they will hopefully repay your generosity. If they lose, it was only a few thousand dollars, and there will be new elections in a couple of years.

    4. “it’s told how the Koch brothers essentially single-highhandedly choose who gets to be the GOP nominees for Congress.”

      Having worked for congressional campaigns, I can tell you this is something only people who get all of their information about politics from blogs believes.

      1. *Winner*

        The cartoonish view some people have of politics is a real disappointment.

        1. The cartoonish view some people have of every aspect of life beyond their direct experience is a real disappointment.

          FIFY

        2. Tony couldn’t be more cartoonish if he was on Saturday morning TV.

    5. Oh yeah, the Koch brothers shepherded Donald J. Trump right into the White House.

    6. “Koch brothers essentially single-highhandedly choose who gets to be the GOP nominees for Congress.”

      They sure as hell didn’t choose the President, now did they?

  4. Breaking News: the Amtrak training carrying the entire republican congressional delegation to a retreat in West Virginia hit a trash truck and derailed.

    Train carrying GOP lawmakers hits truck in Virginia

    1. NYT’s coming headline: Republican’s kill innocent bystander on their rush to go golfing.

      1. NY Daily News headline: Metaphorical train wreck cancelled by literal train wreck

    2. Just consider that news a metaphor for the Trump years.

      1. “Just consider that news a metaphor for the Trump years.”

        Just consider the source and look elsewhere for a metaphor:
        Dow +0.53% 26,214.78 / +137.89
        http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/

      2. That Trump is unstoppable in pushing the GOP to wreck a bunch of trash (Democrats)?

    3. Yeah, Amtrak is well worth the money…

  5. It’s almost like the author thinks politicians have principled stances?

    1. Yeah, what up with that. There is only one principle at play here. No matter what our tribe does, and no matter what the other tribe does, our tribe is better!

  6. This article seems a pretty big stretch.

    “Indifference to sexual libertinism. Pro-Moscow sympathies. Paranoid conspiracy theories. A violent, radical fringe. Hatred of the G-men at the FBI, along with the rest of The Corrupt Establishment. Four decades ago such markers defined the radical left?and everything about liberalism that conservatives loathed. Now, they increasingly define the American right?all thanks to Donald Trump.”

    “Indifference to sexual libertinism”

    Bill Clinton had an affair in The White House, whereas there’s an accusation that Trump had an affair years before he was in The White House. Those are two very different things.

    “Pro-Moscow sympathies”

    This is just laughable. Republican’s aren’t “pro-Moscow”, just because they deny that Russian news articles and Facebook links high jacked the election.

    “Paranoid conspiracy theories”

    There have been paranoid conspiracy theories on the Right (and the Left) forever. JFK stealing the election from Nixon theory has been an ongoing topic for 60 years.

    ” A violent, radical fringe.”

    Again, there has been a violent radical fringe on the Right (and the Left) forever.

    “Hatred of the G-men at the FBI, along with the rest of The Corrupt Establishment.”

    This might be your only good point. And it’s pretty thin gruel.

    1. You’re off your meds.

      The Right is rife with Conspiracy Theories from Jade Helm, Agenda 21, Birtherism, BENGHAZI!, millions of illegals voting, Fast & Furious in order to grab guns years later, DEATH PANELS, and countless others.

      And Trump is admitted sexual assaulter.

      1. The Left is ripe with 9/11 Truthers. “Russia hacked the election”. Bush invaded Iraq and Afganistan for oil. CIA introduced crack into the inner cities.

        Never heard Trump admitting to be a sexual assaulter.

        1. The Left is ripe with 9/11 Truthers.

          Pure bullshit.

          And Trump “Pussy Grabber” admitted to sexual assault.

          What planet have you been living on?

          1. I grab pussy all the time. Yet she never charges me with sexual assault.

            Hmmm… Must be a difference between what lefties call sexual assault and pussy grabbing.

            Didn’t Bill Clinton grab some pussy in the White House and get impeached for lying?

            1. “”Didn’t Bill Clinton grab some pussy in the White House and get impeached for lying?””

              And the Dems voted to keep him in office setting the tone that sexual misconduct is not a removable offense.

              1. No, setting the tone that lying and perjury are not removable offenses. We’re going to want to hang onto that one so that even if Trump talks to Mueller the “he’s not the first President who lied to investigators” card will be available to play.

          2. Pure bullshit.

            About half of Democrats believe Bush knew about 9/11 in advance. That is pretty damned ripe with them.

            And Trump “Pussy Grabber” admitted to sexual assault.

            Women “letting you grab them by the pussy” is sexual assault?

            Women aren’t permitted to make their own independent decisions about what is and what is not permitted?

            1. Like when can you can receive a straw in a restaurant is a decision best left up to politicians.

            2. Anyone that makes the claim that someone who is both famous, powerful, and immensely rich doesn’t have attractive members of the opposite sex throw themselves at them daily is lying.

              You don’t have to be attractive to attract members of the opposite sex. Power, money, and fame all serve in place of physical beauty to a certain segment of the populace. Specifically, a pretty fucking wide swath of the populace.

              People like PB want to ascribe that onto the male specifically because it offends their delicate sensibilities to point out that some women want to be taken care of by a rich father figure and are willing to fuck their brains out to get there. Women can indeed choose to be an object, but since that independent decisions is ‘bad think’ it must be the man (in this case Trumps) fault.

              I mean, jesus people. There is literally a website devoted to young sexy women finding old, rich fucks to subsidize their lives in exchange for sex. You can not tell me that this isn’t a thing some people do on purpose. It’s the worlds oldest profession.

              1. Power, money, and fame all serve in place of physical beauty to a certain segment of the populace.

                Just look at Woody Allen.


                1. Just look at Woody Allen.

                  I…would prefer not to. He’s a horror.

            3. “”About half of Democrats believe Bush knew about 9/11 in advance. That is pretty damned ripe with them.””

              Yep.

              It was Bush’s fault because he knew in advance, and let it happen as a pretext to war.

              1. If the FBI had arrested all the 9/11 hijackers in Boston that morning, a substantial portion of the Left would claim it was racial profiling and they were guilty of nothing more than Flying While Muslim, late night talk show hosts would have spent weeks making jokes about hijacking planes with boxcutters, and celebrities would hold regular benefit concerts to raise awareness about the 9/11 nineteen.

      2. Palin’s Buttplug|1.31.18 @ 12:45PM|#
        “And Trump is admitted sexual assaulter.”

        Turd is incapable of posting without lying.

        1. He admitted to sexual assault to a reporter, you moron.

          1. He admitted to grabbing pussy. Big difference.

            When are you going to admit you’re a rapist Tony? You’ve admitted having sex on here.

            1. PB is just upset because no one has ever grabbed his pussy.

          2. “He admitted to sexual assault to a reporter…”
            Only complete morons think that.

    2. Hey, cut them some slack. The SOTU finally gives them a chance to get back on track with the Trump bashing and stop having to whistle past the graveyard of their conscience buried under the mounting evidence that under Obama the FBI was as corrupt and power mad as any actual libertarian’s fever dream.

    3. Maybe Hinkle’s got on his “humorist” hat for this article. It does provide a ready excuse for any inaccuracies or hyperbole.

    4. It wasn’t the sex with HornDog Bill that was the problem, even if he did do it in the Oval Office…..He lied under oath about it!!!…..As for these days, the evidence is pretty clear that high up elements in the FBI & DOJ tried desperately to insure HildaBeast would win & when she did not, they have tried to foment a coup against a duly elected president!….These are NOT conspiracy theories, but the Truth!

      1. Which, I reiterate, means it will be okay if Trump lies to Mueller. Hurray!

  7. And as the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville this past August shows, the alt-right is willing to resort to violence

    One individual part defines the whole? Doesn’t paint a pretty picture if you substitute the white bits with other colors.

    1. I’m also amazed that the alt right was the ONLY group there.

    2. I seem to remember it being considered beyond the pale to associate BLM with the violence that occurred around their protests.

    3. “”One individual part defines the whole?””

      Partisan politics 101.

  8. Hail Hinkle!

    (Can you identify the movie which includes that line?)

    1. I know Hail Fredonia!!!!

  9. Now, they increasingly define the American right?all thanks to Donald Trump.

    If a sniper opens fire from a concealed position, do you blame the victim for walking into the killzone?

  10. “the alt-right is willing to resort to violence.”

    Citations needed.

    They have proven willing to respond to Antifa violence with violence but I have yet to see them initiate it at anywhere near Antifa levels.

    It know looks like the one death in Charlottesville was a direct result of the driver fleeing from an armed member of Antifa.
    http://www.educationviews.org/…..dly-crash/

    1. Dylann Roof? I can name 10-20 easy.

      Are you nuts?

      1. Are all old fashioned racist rednecks alt-right now? Because I’m pretty sure that happened before the ‘alt-right’ broke headlines. I suppose their can be no division in your mind, a catch-all for what you hate.

        1. For short-term memory lefties like Butt.

          All the old racists were Democrats. They started the KKK, Jim Crowe laws, and Confederacy.

          1. That is something of which Democrats of the 1960s should be ashamed.

            All of the southern bigots migrated to the Republican Party, which welcomed them, and became an essential element of the current Republican-conservative electoral coalition.

            Which is something of which anyone willing to be known as a Republican or conservative today should be ashamed.

            Carry on, clingers.

            So far as your bigoted souls can carry anyone, of course.

            1. So, the party that actually proposed and voted for “civil rights” laws welcomed and embraced the “southern bigots”?
              That lie is getting so tired that you would think you commies would stop trying to put it out there.
              If you had any shame it would be an embarrassment for you.

              1. You sound like a half-educated, superstitious, bigoted, stale-thinking goober who is part of the depleted human residue remaining in our can’t-keep-up backwaters after generations of bright flight (the smart, ambitious young people escaping at high school graduation for successful, modern, campuses and communities, never to return).

                A hunch: plenty of backwater religious schooling/

                1. You’re a fucking idiot with a dictionary and a thesaurus. Go die in a fire.

            2. So far as your bigoted souls can carry anyone, of course.

              Quite a bit further than noodle-armed soyboys like Arthur Kirkland, I suspect.

              1. I am grateful my children get to compete economically with Trump supporters.

                1. That would assume you had enough testosterone to produce sperm in the first place.

      2. Any evidence that Roof was “right wing”?

        I mean, we can always mention James Hodgkinson. You know, the Bernie bro who tried to flip control of Congress thru assassinations…

        1. His confession. He hated blacks and wanted white racial purity.

          1. Not quite there Butt. He did say this:

            On May 22, 2017, Hodgkinson wrote “Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.” above his repost of a Change.org petition demanding “the legal removal” of Trump and Vice President Mike Pence for “treason”. He belonged to numerous political Facebook groups, including those named “Terminate the Republican Party,” “The Road To Hell Is Paved With Republicans,” and “Donald Trump is not my President.

            1. The subject is the right-wing politics of Dylann Roof, you fucking moron.

              1. No, moron, damikesc mentioned James Hodgkinson.

                I know reading is hard for you racist lefties. You see black everywhere so you can enslave them.

              2. What you described about Roof is not “right-wing”.

                1. It does reveal that they believe that racism is solely the domain of the right, though, which is demonstrably false.

          2. His confession. He hated blacks and wanted white racial purity.

            And?

            The current grand wizard of the KKK is a Democrat. As is Fred Phelps.

            1. You’re a fucking idiot to believe the KKK votes for liberals. You literally have to be semi retarded to believe that.

              1. You know there is a difference between liberals and democrats, right?

                Hillary Clinton called a former KKK leader and longest serving democratic senator (Byrd) her mentor.

                Funny how immigration policy and some choice words make Trump a racist. But actually calling a former KKK leader a mentor isn’t.

                I could be said, using the same criteria, that people who voted for Hillary, voted for a racist, therefore by extension is a racist.

                1. Yeah, Democrats lean Progressive rather than Liberal these days and I try to remind people that there is a huge difference between the two. Classical liberals, what remain of them anyway, can and often are friends to Libertarianism.

              2. There is precious little evidence they vote for conservatives.

        2. I had TOTALLY FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT INCIDENT! Whatever happened to that dude who shot the Congresspeople?

          It has been a weird year.

          1. He was shot by gun totting persons at the ball field and “died at the hospital”.

  11. I agree with Daniel Greenfield. The whole Trump Derangement thing boils down to professional government types being outraged that the amateurs are trying to run things.

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.co…..a-tea.html

  12. The other tribe consisted of pro-establishment Middle Americans who cherished traditional morality, believed in law and order, and venerated institutions such as the FBI. They abhorred Russia and the pinkos who were soft on communism, and they considered radical elements in American society?especially the ones prone to violence?a grave threat to the nation.

    So, Republicans shouldn’t change their views based on evidence of wrong-doing? And Republicans seem to thoroughly dislike the alt-right and all…DRAMATICALLY more than the Left dislikes antifa.

    A few days ago, after news of Trump’s dalliance with a porn star broke, the Rev. Franklin Graham argued that while Trump is not “President Perfect,” he “does have concern for Christian values.” High praise indeed.

    Hasn’t she said it didn’t happen?

    Repeatedly?

    The evidence for this theory is laughably thin?a couple of text messages, former FBI director Jim Comey’s recommendation against charging Clinton with a crime, and… um… hang on a sec while they find their notes. Gotta be around here somewhere.

    There is the changing of the Comey’s report. The vastly different treatment of OTHER members of the Podesta group and Manafort (who all did the same thing). The FBI basically inventing the White House pressuring them to deny things. Yup, all radical theories that are, ironically, backed up by facts. Do you think McCabe was removed for nothing?

    1. And Republicans seem to thoroughly dislike the alt-right

      More insanity. The GOP POTUS embraces the alt-right – hires them, and praises them.

      1. False…but I don’t think you’ve posted anything accurately yet.

        1. If it does, it’ll be the first time. Even Tony is right more often.

      2. More insanity. The left finally embraces socialist Nazis- hires them, and praises them.

    2. The “alt-right,” a deeply anti-Semitic movement that calls for limited immigration, mass deportations and a new state for white, non-Jews only, has been attached to many violent incidents since the Unite the Right event collapsed into chaos. William Edward Atchison, who killed two students at his high school last year, was a regular commenter on the neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer, according to The Daily Beast. Nicholas Giampa, a 17-year-old Virginia boy, allegedly murdered his girlfriend’s parents, Scott Fricker and Buckley Kuhn Fricker, in a shooting incident that took place last month. He had a neo-Nazi social media presence, according to a report by The Huffington Post. The shooter who killed a Douglas County deputy and wounded other law enforcement figures on Sunday was attracted to an “alt-right” ideology, according to a local news reporter.

      Wilson, the accused terrorist, was not likely just a casual supporter of alt-right politics. Czaplewski noted in his affidavit that the man also had a photo of a banner broadcasting white supremacist propaganda on his phone.

      http://www.newsweek.com/white-…..ent-771495

      1. So turd first makes the unsupported claim: “The GOP POTUS embraces the alt-right – hires them, and praises them.”
        And then follows that with a Newsweek statement claiming to define the alt-right.
        You are one slimy piece of work, turd.

        1. You rightwingnuts own these types.

          1. So you also agree that the left owns Hitler, Mao, and Chavez among many other fun guys over the last century?

            I mean, since we’re doing guilt by association…

            1. Hitler was a right-winger (as a fascist). I know this is tough for the retards to accept the general definition of “right wing”

              Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,

              I know, you hate “definitions” and science and academics and “book-lerning”.

              1. Hitler was a socialist.

                “We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

                Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom.

                Socialism is possible only in a state that is united domestically and free internationally. The bourgeoisie and Marxism are responsible for failing to reach both goals, domestic unity and international freedom. No matter how national and social these two forces present themselves, they are the sworn enemies of a socialist national state.”
                -German propaganda exerpts

                1. Todays leftist are true imbeciles, and should have listened to Milton Friedman who [although largely opposing them] gave them their best instruction. He effectively said that for redistribution of wealth to occur, you had to be a closed society – that means shut your borders for the most part. For those nations wanting open borders, that is survivable only by prohibiting a welfare state. Given the current state of the democrat party, they seem to have become an anarchist party on balance by trying to have it both ways, which is 100% unsustainable long term. We had alot of fans of Mao serve under our 44th president – you would think they would recognize his success by opposing open borders. So what are these “deep state” loons? Nutjobs that belong in a doctors care, in my humble opinion.

              2. But right wingers oppose government, right? So, wouldn’t anarchists, technically, be extreme right wingers while authoritarians are extreme left-wingers…

                1. Right wingers seem to mostly hate the federal govt but they like the state govt and they love ‘law and order”. Their hard-ons for the feds stems mostly from the federal enforcement of civil rights against state action.

              3. Hitler started out a Communist you moron. That didn’t pan out so he settled on the next best thing.

                1. Citation needed for “Hitler started out a Communist”.

                  1. Citation needed for “Hitler started out a Communist”.

                    Hier

                2. Hitler started out a Communist you moron. That didn’t pan out so he settled on the next best thing.

                  You may be thinking of Mussolini.

              4. Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable

                So all politics is right-wing? Hell, even anarchists believe that a spontaneous social order is desirable.

                1. That quote is meaningless. And it’s implying that left-wing politics is all just one happy class getting along fine. Which only makes sense if you ignore the entire history of left-wing politics.

                2. If you referring to “right wing”, you are discussing a left-right spectrum.

                  Monarchs, Oligarchs, and conservatives on the right. Anarchists, socialists, and communists on the left. Both sides can be authoritarian.

                  Libertarians are in the middle because we are somewhat conservative and somewhat socially liberal.

                  1. NO.
                    The left/right political scale is a linear graph, where Anarchy, i.e. no government at all is all the way to the right. Monarchy’s, Oligarchy’s Communist’s, Fascist’s and all other Totalitarian Ideologies are on the Left. Republican’s would be about dead center and L/libertarian’s would be about 3/4’ths of the way to the right.
                    You cannot grant totalitarianism the ability to occupy any part of the spectrum lest you render the spectrum meaningless.

              5. Question: What did ‘NAZI’ stand for?

                I fully admit, though, that Hitler had the ‘true’ socialists killed during the Night of Long Knives but that’s rather the point, isn’t it? That socialism inevitably turns into some brand of dictatorship?

                1. “Work will set you free” see they werent death camps because of the words.

                2. Also, why was that name of the German Workers Party changed to the National Socialist German Workers Party if he did not want to appeal to Socialists? If Hitler was right-wing, he would not have put himself and his ideology forward as socialist.

  13. Oh, good Lord, Hinkle this is intellectual dishonesty. I am not sure what consetvatives defended the violence in Charlottesville. Certainly Trump did not Trump’s comments were more nuanced, saying that thete were decent people on the “right” side and there were bad actors among the counter-protesters. He just did not describe the incident as the simple Good versus Evil narrative the Left wanted.

    The Left has not changed their positions much? I guess its good to know they have always been against free speech and for using the federal bureaucracy against their opponents. Right now, the Left has tued themselves in knots to such an extent on sexual mores that one is not quote sure if they want libertinism or a return to Victorian prudishness (it seems to be dependent on whether a woman feels victimized after the event).

    Furthermore, you have a change of couple generations here who were not unaffected by the changes in culture around them. Nixon’s Republicans are not the conservatives of today.

    1. Indeed.

      Trump’s (very accurate) statement that ‘there was hate on many sides’ has been turned into ‘both sides are bad’ by people with an agenda.

      The same people who wanted to lay all of Charlottesville at the feet of everyone on the right claimed it was “whataboutism” to point out that if this how it’s going to be, then all of the behavior of ‘antifa’ and the other black clad rioters would be laid at the feet of the left.

      They also tried to say this was all Trumps’ fault and only happened because of his comments, attitude, etc. ignoring that this was an escalation of things predating Trump’s presidency, and heavily influenced, if not directly instigated by leftwing actors. It wasn’t right wing protestors and activists out there assaulting Hillary and Bernie supporters and rioting everytime a left wing speaker came to a campus or event hall.

      While I disagree with everything about their message, I completely understand the people arming themselves while protesting – mob attacks, pepper spray, bike lock assaults, etc. aren’t going to be nearly as successful if the victim of the assault is armed.

      It eludes them that statements like ‘there were fine people on both sides’ is actually a decent deescalation tactic.
      Depending on how it’s done, can fracture a group when some people start questioning if they are a good person and/or if the people around them are good people, etc.

  14. Politicians, media, and regular people (with opinions about politics) are a bunch of fucking hacks with no principles and a willingness to completely change their opinion to continue supporting their tribe.

    I’m astonished. This is the most shocking thing I’ve ever heard.

  15. I remember when conservatives only called the feds jack-booted thugs when a Democrat was POTUS.

    More MAGA

  16. Booker saying releasing classified material without proper vetting is treasonous.

    So, officially, Cory Booker is calling Hillary Clinton a traitor.

    1. In this particular context, yes if you’re misleading, lying and compromising our intelligence methods to disrupt an investigation into the hostile actions of a fascist enemy of freedom then you’re borderline treasonous in the generic sense of the word.

      1. FFS, fuck off troll.

      2. In this particular context, yes if you’re misleading, lying and compromising our intelligence methods to disrupt an investigation into the hostile actions of a fascist enemy of freedom then you’re borderline treasonous in the generic sense of the word.

        A lot of words when “You’re correct, Cory, Hillary is a traitor” would’ve sufficed.

        Brevity, son. Brevity.

      3. Fuckin LOL at lefties being concerned about “proper vetting” all of a sudden. That’s a pretty strong tell that you know what’s in the memo makes your side look bad.

        1. It’s like the old saying, if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one you hit.

          Leftists are doing a lot of yelping recently.

    2. Umm, no. The House intelligence committee has the authority to declassify, so they wouldn’t be “releasing classified material” in the first place.

  17. The “Deep State” is more than just the FBI – it’s the entire, bloated bureaucracy that is composed largely of registered Democrats. You know, the ones who openly refused to do their jobs and/or resigned in waves last year.

    1. You can tell who the Bureaucrats vote for. Most federal bureaucrats live near DC in Maryland and Northern Virginia and those are blue regions. They also contribute money to Democrat politicians.

      Center for Responsive Politics data shows Democrats raked in 82 percent of $6.6 million in donations from employees of 11 federal agencies and Senate and House of Representatives staff.

      1. Or at least Democrats are more willing to report who they contribute to.

    2. This exactly, Rhy. Not an organized conspiracy outside their AFSME meetings but these sacks of shit know where their bread is buttered.

  18. “Center for Responsive Politics data shows Democrats raked in 82 percent of $6.6 million in donations from employees of 11 federal agencies and Senate and House of Representatives staff”

    Well of course.

    People whose jobs are dependent on parasitically feeding off of the taxpayers money are going to help those who are most likely to keep the gravy train rolling.

  19. there is so much that is wrong about this article I don’t have time today to list them all but one point, insulting people including using derogetory names for Trump does not embolden people to your thoughts it only makes your arguments look childish as the whole of the media has become towards him and those who may have voted for him.

    1. But it does signal the virtue.

  20. Of course nothing is said of coming to a “libertarian” website that actually dismisses the idea of deep state problems in this country and literally sides with entrenched intelligence agencies in order to attack Trump. There really is no bounds to the Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    1. I’m a little baffled that Reason is unable to comprehend that the federal bureaucracy might not always work FOR the President. They’ll believe cops commit all sorts of atrocities because evidence shows that they do. But the FBI and government bureaucrats? Well, no, they are pure.

      1. So true.

  21. I would say an about face on First Amendment rights over the last 20 years constitutes a pretty major metamorphosis.

    Am I really supposed to be more upset that my Aunt on Facebook think the Russia story is fake news than I am that an entire generation of progressives literally wants to forbid me to hurt their feelings?

  22. Reason is loaded with open borders anarchists and race baiters!!!!!!!!!!!
    —–
    The Alt-Right is Not Right – It’s Left…..The alt-right is myth
    One of the pillars of conservatism is “The Golden Rule,” which automatically precludes white nationalism or racial supremacy of any kind.
    According to McPaper, the white nationalist/supremacist Richard Spencer coined the term in 2008. If he uses the term alt-right to identify himself and his fellow believers ? this begs a question?
    Was President Woodrow Wilson a member of the alt-right? He was a racist white supremacist.
    So were President Lyndon Johnson and the late Democrat Senator Robert Byrd.
    Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood to halt the spread of the black race. I’d call that white supremacism.

    1. The KKK was the enforcers of the white supremacist Southern Democrat Party, the Dixiecrats.
      Alt-right demonstrators hit the streets adorned with Nazi paraphernalia and Confederate flags.
      Neither of those symbols represents American conservatism.
      In fact, the rise of Hitler and the Nazi Party, which these nuts appear to be so fond of, was a tale of combat between two competing leftist ideologies ? fascism and communism.
      Neither faction incidentally resembled conservatism or what we’ve come to know as “the right.”
      The German KPD was the largest communist party outside the Soviet Union during the 1920s.
      It was the Trotsky-inspired KPD or German Communist Party vs. the Hitler led fascist “National Socialist German Workers Party” (Nazis).
      There were no “right-wingers” involved at all.
      And did I see the word socialist?
      By cracky, I did.
      I don’t know of anyone who would confuse conservatism with socialism.
      The alt-right is myth.
      It’s a name crafted to confuse the public into thinking these loons were spawned out of the conservative movement.

      1. It should actually be relabeled, or labeled properly as the National Socialist American Party, because they are in fact fascists – not of the right and certainly not conservative.
        But because of our woefully inept education system in this country, most believe fascism and Hitler were right wing.
        They couldn’t be more wrong.
        The fascists were leftists who had/have a lot more in common with communists than with free market conservative capitalists.
        The major difference between fascists and communists is that the former is nationalistic and the latter, internationalistic.

        http://freedomoutpost.com /alt-right-not-right-left/

  23. I am President Donald J. Trump, motherfucker. So you can all go fuck yourselves!

    1. Would you enjoy watching that as much as you enjoy golden showers?

  24. With the victory over Communism, the rank and file nationalists have split from the globalist neocons.

    We, and the world, have been saved from worldwide gulag. Hurrah!

    So we don’t need to be the world’s policeman
    Or the world’s welfare state

    The US Right is going more back to the Old Right. Nationalist. Non-Interventionist. Limited immigration. Limited government.

    The Neocons and their Deep State sympathies no longer play. Bill Kristol will openly be a Dem by the 2020 cycle.

    Most Republicans thought Clinton was a schmuck with Lewinsky, but his impeachment was not for diddling the intern, but *perjury*.

    Mainly just the neocons had their panties in a bunch over the affair. As they have their panties in a bunch over every Trump tweet now.

    Muh bow tie!

  25. The author is obviously a leftist hack moron.
    Whatever Donald Trump may or may not be. The fact remains that there are 700+ fewer leftist hacks at the EPA since he started. 20 regulations abolished for every new 1 implemented. The State Dept is undergoing radical changes. These are all good things if you regard yourself as a L/libertarian. For all of his bluster on the foreign policy stage, he has as yet not gotten us into a new war and the two Korea’s are talking to each other. That is good.
    Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway and JP Morgan and going to launch another healthcare company. (more competition)
    The Deep State has been outed and what was before, just speculation, is now undeniable.
    All of these things are because Donald Trump was elected. Even thou we may be consumed after all by our debt, there is a little bit of cause for some optimism.
    The author sounds like so many other whiny brats who can’t handle losing. He probably got participation trophies when he was a kid.

    1. I am willing to wager that williamd can find it in his “libertarian” heart to at minimum overlook or forgive the Trump administration’s authoritarian, bigoted, superstitious, backward conduct and statements. More likely, the appeasement shades into embrace in many circumstances.

      Carry on, clingers. More ridiculous masquerading as friends of liberty in unconvincing libertarian drag, please.

      1. Your comment is incoherent and it is obvious that you have no talent for repartee.
        I would love to be a fly on the wall at one of your sermons Rev, just long enough to count how many people are snoring.

      2. For all your hilariously unwarranted self-regard, it’s pretty telling that your vocabulary is limited to the same boilerplate comments. Perhaps expanding your social circle beyond inbred Holocaust-survivor-looking vegan softhands would improve your erudition.

        1. But then it might run into people that don’t have all the same beliefs it does, and we all know how leftists react to that.

  26. What donkeyshit. As I feel compelled to repeat ad nauseum, when did “Reason” become a Democrat propaganda rag?

    1. Another right-winger who claims to be a libertarian. Why not embrace movement conservatism in all of its authoritarian, bigoted, backward glory rather than prance around in silly libertarian drag?

      1. Go die in a fire, fucking slaver.

        1. My preferences — reason, tolerance, progress, science, inclusivity, education — have overcome your preferences — backwardness, ignorance, bigotry, superstition, insularity — throughout my lifetime in America.

          They seem destined to continue to prevail — despite the preferences and efforts of right-wingers — for the foreseeable future.

          This enrages poorly educated, economically inadequate, socially stunted, intolerant goobers.

          I am content.

          1. This enrages poorly educated, economically inadequate, socially stunted, intolerant goobers.
            I am content.

            “Poorly educated” is pretty rich coming from someone who cribs from the same three comments.

    2. The peaceniks penetrating LP have been at it a long time, but largely by default – they became homeless. Like Reagan, their party left them and steered a course away from JFK at light speed as the civil rights movement got hijacked. These are largely the 60s types that love hope and flowers – they can’t muster the incessant hate needed to be an acolyte of Saul Alinsky like those that went on to populate DC. But… alot of their friends can, which pollutes their thinking like a contact high. It’s not so much that they are wrong [hating war is sane] but rather they are not well rounded people and critical thought is not what they are good at. So… they are more often swayed by democrat policies/talking points, as arriving at a proper question often doesn’t happen with [enough] regularity: “…and then what?” Case in point: how many lives were saved by dropping the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that cutoff another 3 or 4 years of conventional warfare from happening? This one curls their hair and forces some kind of brain shutdown when asked.

  27. Conservative me admires Putin for two things that set him apart from our recent sorry excuse of a president. They are: Russia first, defeat Islam inside Russia. The spin put on Putin love by conservatives in this article is an excess derived frim the author’s imagination. Secondly, the porn star has publicly denied that there was anything between herself and Trump. Apparantly the message is still in the author’s inbox. The story is now lower than a he said/she said mishmash of worthless gossip. Taken together I now have had the misfortune of wasting my time to see what the fuss is all about, here. It’s just an anti-Trump trumped up piece of garbage.

    1. The silver lining of your gullibility is that it makes it easy for someone like you to get through life despite your ignorance.

    2. Well put. I am like most Americans, in that I know less than 10% of what ought to be known about Putin. But from a distance, it does appear he has total clarity about the real problem with Islam: it is [on balance] a political system for conquest. Yes there is a religious component, and the fans of Eurosocialism choose to give that primacy in their analysis, which is a fatal flaw that gets cloaked in “diversity” propaganda to avoid real debate. Just look at what happened with post WW2 Lebanon: it’s all smiles and waves… until critical political mass is achieved. Then, its hell on earth. By the way, anybody in the GOP care to apologize for the Bushies dancing with the original exporters of wahhabism: the Saudi’s? I won’t hold my breath – the cocktail party in DC rages on, blind to everything but lobbyist money.

  28. “It is no new insight to note the extent to which Republicans, who once were horrified by Bill Clinton’s sexual improprieties, now dismiss or even defend Donald Trump’s”

    I didn’t realize Trump was diddling a White House intern under the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office, and then lying about it under oath and while staring directly into the camera to the people whom he works for.

    Republicans, by and large, were not horrified by Clinton’s sexual improprieties. They were horrified by the,
    multiple accusations of violent rape
    sexual harassment of a young intern (any CEO in the country would have been fired for that)
    Not having the moral courage to admit it, but instead blame it on a “vast right wing conspiracy”.

    That is what horrified Republicans at the time, and justly so.

  29. I find it shocking that you so readily dismiss the accusations against the FBI.

    The evidence of issues in our ‘deep state’ has been building for decades, everything from warrantless searches, widespread FBI-lab lying at trial, Clapper lying under oath about surveillance, etc, etc, etc. This all happened before Trump. The only new items are more credible evidence of overt political activities by unelected officials using their power to disrupt the election.

    Did you forget the fiasco of Comey during the election? The man is and was an opportunistic hack, using his position as leverage during the election. All sides had issues with that at different points.

    1. Yes-most of this shit was underway well before the election-Comey was there on Obama’s watch after all, when he let it drop about Hilldog and the Russkies. For most rational people, this should show that the FBI operates independently of the president and Congress, which is either a good thing, or a recipe for disaster. Some might reasonably call this and most other agencies a “deep state”. It depends though-if you want a viable civil service, you need competent workers there who know how to do things and not political hacks. Most of them become political hacks though after a while.

    2. When we think “deep state” Mike, we should actually say ‘zero oversight’ – that’s how they got here. Nearly all of this is fallout of LBJ’s myopic [and alleged] Great Society, where government was put on steroids to become so big that regular order was abandoned by congress; it was also strongly supported by the blowback created when HUAC couldn’t follow Joe’s senate lead and work in similar fashion using case numbers, choosing instead to go the statist route parading faces in kangaroo like fashion in an American version of “j’accuse!” that bent due process in a repulsive way even when they ‘had their man’. Today, congress knows nothing about funding agency by agency, and dutifully puts on blinders for the purpose of cobbling together the horrid omnibus bills Tip O’Neill learned to rely on because the calendar needs 455 days in a year for oversight. Alot of questions don’t get asked anymore, as agencies do not have any moment to explain their expenditures, overruns, or shortcomings to congress on a regular basis. Government has become… too big to succeed.

  30. My brain is reeling how out to lunch this piece is. Trump banging a porn star in a life years before presidential candidacy cannot possibly be compared side by side to Bill Clinton who was supposed to be leading America as President having sex with an intern during his tenure. We all know as well that Bill’s exploits are vast reaching and include the rape of dozens of women. Trump may not be better than Clinton in that respect, but in terms of what sins our politicians are forgiven for in 2018, sex with a pornstar previous to presidential candidacy is very light fare.
    This author also needs to understand that in 2018, conservatives are not in defense of soiled lecherous and loose moralless women. Tradition was killed decades ago along with respectable females who upheld their end of the social contract as the important and valuable base of the family. The author ignores this entirely.
    The fact that the author is SO apparently clueless about why Trump respects the current Russian regime and distrusts the FBI leads me to wonder if the author is not also part of the jewspiracy to disseminate disinformation and confuse the population??? Russia is not the USSR, but it is, under Putin, an imperialist and nationalist force, the last remaining in the Western world today. This is worthy of high praise and is a rare quality. The FBI is merely a deep state puppet which seeks to do the bidding of the bipartisan occult in America by obstructing and hindering him as President.

  31. I don’t think things have flipped where the man on the street is concerned, rather conservatism [as Buckley envisioned] died in unannounced in the late 60’s and something else is in play: a bipartisan DC tincture that embraces the identity politics Nixon was so very bad at, and a plethora of error to boot. There are two things you can bank on in life that need attention when it comes to government. The first is caveat emptor. The second is absolute power corrupts absolutely. To that end, the FBI has been getting away with a few things because congress forgot rule 1 and given judges too much deference, where oversight and the occasional impeachment should have been happening. The law begins and ends with congress – permitting judges to weave from whole cloth provides the bed for corruption to lie in where the FBI is concerned. That leads straight to rule 2… at light speed.

  32. “And as the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville this past August shows, the alt-right is willing to resort to violence?”
    Well no, what that showed is that ONE alt-righter was prepared to resort to violence, and dozens of anti-alt-righters were.

    “for which it will be partly excused by the president.”
    Except he didn’t excuse anyone. He specifically condemned people equally. He did not say that those that did violence were good people, he said that some of the pro-statue protestors were good people.

  33. God, his articles are hilarious. As I say everywhere, Trump isn’t great, but he’s a hell of a lot better than any other recent president! The Republicans have lost their way on many things, but the Democrats have gone full tilt insane. Literally EVERY major plank of their platform is based on total delusion. Socialism is great! There are no differences between men and women! America is more racist than EVAR! On and on.

    The Republicans may be shittier by 2 fold than they used to be, but the Democrats are shittier by 100 fold…

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