Government Shutdown

The Government Shutdown Is Over for Now

Another shutdown looms in three weeks.

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Senate Democrats supplied the necessary votes to reopen the federal government after striking a temporary deal with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), according to multiple media reports this afternoon.

McConnell, speaking on the Senate floor Monday morning, promised to have a "fair" debate on an immigration bill with an open amendment process as long as Democrats voted to re-open the government by helping Republicans pass a continuing resolution (CR). The CR bill passed with an 82–18 vote in the Senate shortly after noon.

Democrats had withheld their support last week in order to force a settlement on the so-called "DREAMers," immigrants who entered the country illegally as children and were given special status by the Obama administration with the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy. Those individuals could be deported beginning in mid-March, unless Congress or the White House extend the protections included in the DACA bill, something President Donald Trump has said he will not do.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) accepted that deal, which will keep the government open for another three weeks. Significantly, the more progressive wing of the Democratic caucus—including Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)—largely voted against the CR on the Senate floor Monday.

Monday's action starts the clock ticking on the next shutdown, which could happen February 8 if no deal is reached on immigration and several other issues. Republicans are seeking to lift spending caps on order to pump more money into the Pentagon, Trump wants funding for his border wall, and Democrats want a path to citizenship for the DREAMers.

In other words, the fundamental disagreements that led to this shutdown have not been resolved in any meaningful way.

Even if McConnell allows an immigration bill to reach the Senate floor, right-wing opposition to even the most basic immigration reforms—here's where we remind you that more than 80 percent of Americans say the DREAMers should be allowed to become U.S. citizens—could sink the effort, either in the Senate or in the House. If that happens, Democrats could use their leverage to force another shutdown.

Congressional dysfunction remains high. We're no closer to having an actual federal budget. Republicans are determined to increase spending, even if that requires devising ways to ignore or abolish spending caps they helped implement in the Obama years. The three-week CR is laughably short. This isn't governing from crisis to crisis so much as it's governing from paycheck to paycheck in the midst of a never-ending crisis.

Complicating matters is the fact that no one seems to know what Trump wants out of a potential long-term deal—including, possibly, Trump himself. The president has flip-flopped on DACA several times since taking office, and he may have torpedoed a bipartisan immigration deal with his remark about "shithole countries" two weeks ago. Trump was largely silent, except for a few tweets, during the three-day shutdown; it's hard to imagine how Republicans will walk an incredibly thin tightrope on immigration policy without guidance and political cover from the White House.

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  1. Mitch McConnell smiling looks like a promotional still from a horror movie.

    1. Have you no respect for the bluegrass boyar?

      1. Literally none whatsoever.

        1. Join the club.

        2. Is negative respect possible?

          1. Is positive respect for Hillary possible? I don’t think even her supporters actually respect her.

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    2. If this Congress thing doesn’t work out…

      1. At least they have towels in the gym.

    3. UNDENIABLE PROOF: … TWO Conservative sources …. McConnell caved
      McConnell CAVES .. claims victory ,.. and the Gomers swallow it!

      McConnell denies a vote. Then promises a vote .,.. And that’s not a cave-in!!!! bwaaaa haaaa
      If DACA had the Senate votes then, why not later???

      Pay attention, suckers. Fox and Breitbart won’t report this

      Um,. McConnell, under pressure from Trump, REFUSED to allow a vote on a Dreamers Bill. Washington Times
      What was he afraid of? (This is NOT rocket science)

      Trump had earlier PROMISED to sign whatever Congress passed. Wall Street Journal

      Still confused?
      1) Trump promises to sign whatever Congress sends, NO veto, when grandstanding at televised immigration meeting

      2) Trump PRESSURES McConnell to deny a vote … ON A BILL HE ASKED FOR. (Durbin-Graham)

      3) Trump a PROVEN liar … at a televised meeting we all saw

      Pay attention
      1) This is an election year
      2) 80% of Americans want legal status for Dreamers — 70% an EARNED path to citizenship.

      The unsung hero – Sen. Graham — all over the news saying Trump broke his word … cannot be trusted to negotiate.

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  2. I think Schumer caved because he wasn’t himself. He was napping in his office this weekend and his body was entered by the Spirit of Harry Reid’s Incompetence. The spirit is ruling his body now.

    1. How would you notice, other than the change in accent?

    2. Thanks for the laugh. I’ll be looking for Chuck to start mumbling ‘Koch brothers…’ on every issue without blinking at some point. I don’t think he’s there yet, but senators do seem to enjoy making each other crazy for sport.

    3. I’m surprised Tester voted against it. He must be pretty confident that the shitlibs in Billings and Bozeman will turn out in high enough numbers to put him back in office this year.

      1. (laughing) I was McConnell who caved .. TOTALLY

        Undeniable proof, 2 CONSERVATIVE souurces: https://reason.com/blog/2018/01…..nt_7103838

        But keep allowing yourself to be brainwashed puppets.

  3. Sadly we’ll never have a real housecleaning of those nice to have but not when we’re $30 trillion in debt expenses. Like the study on gendered icebergs…

    1. Like the study on gendered icebergs…

      Need to think bigger. You could eliminate all academic research grants and the debt/deficit would be pretty much exactly the same.

  4. Fuck it, shut things down over DACA. Seriously. See how long Democrats are willing to keep their spending at zero in favor of non-Americans.

    Please note that when Democrats could have passed any immigration reform they wanted, they choose to pursue nativist programs like healthcare entitlements for citizens.

    Only now, when it’s an issue that they can’t possible do anything about, are they at all interested in talking about it. If you think that’s an accident, you’ve been drinking too much mercury.

    1. Heffalumps voted against Obamacare until it mattered. Politicians are invertebrates, as a rule.

    2. I think the problem for the GOP politically in this situation is that as a party, they don’t seem to know what they want in this situation. Say what you will about the Democrats, but they’re pretty clear about what they want here, and the same was true in the previous shutdown battles under Obama.

      The GOP can’t seem to decide whether they want to tie the DACA fix to the spending bill, or what such a fix should look like. Between the president and the various wings of the party in Congress, there isn’t really a coherent message the party is sending. They’d have trouble passing anything even if they didn’t need 60 votes in the Senate.

      Also, the shutdown doesn’t put spending at zero. The vast majority of spending continues unabated, and most of what doesn’t continue gets spent anyway once the shutdown is over.

      1. Say what you will about the Democrats, but they’re pretty clear about what they want here,

        They are?

        and the same was true in the previous shutdown battles under Obama.

        It was? I suppose if their master stroke was to keep Ted Cruz from winning the nomination then, ‘Well played, Democrats, I guess well played.’

        1. The Democrats want a DACA fix/Dream Act and spending increases. In 2013, they wanted to continue the status quo and/or expand funding, and in particular to keep funding the ACA.

          Not liking what they want doesn’t mean they aren’t being clear about where they stand. If you set aside the Republicans, the Democrats could probably craft a bill that got the support of every member in their party, or close to it. Can you really say the same about the Republicans in the opposite scenario? Could McConnell put something together that would placate Susan Collins, Tom Cotton, Rand Paul, and Jeff Flake? And that isn’t even getting into the House side of the equation.

          1. The Democrats want amnesty. Nothing more, and nothing less. Refer to the last half century or so if you’re of a mind to collect evidence. That’s because they don’t know how to keep their nativist promises while also keeping their immigration promises since those two things are literally opposite sides of the coin that can’t balance together.

            Democrats are the party of cognitive dissonance. How else can they possibly think that things like the minimum wage are a good thing while also saying we need to import more immigrants? It’s like the Democrats forgot that they enacted the minimum wage precisely to hurt immigrants. HAHA, oh history you make Democrats look so fucking stupid.

            If you think the Democrats ‘make sense’ it can only be because you are ignorant. There is literally no other possible explanation as their party is schizophrenic on every issue.

            1. I’m talking about how the Democrat’s messaging of what they want in these particular budget battles is clear to the average voter. Most people aren’t listening to the shutdown debate and then (competently) pondering how each party’s position makes sense compared to their stance on the minimum wage.

              “Fund the government with DACA/Dream Act” is a much more clear position to the average person than “Well some of us want DACA, and others not. And some only want it under conditions X, Y, and Z. And then some of us think this bill needs to cut spending while others think it should stay the same or increase.”

              Step back and take a breather for a second, and you might understand that I’m not defending the Democrats or saying their ideology makes perfect sense. I’m just saying that their message on the shutdown battle sounds more consistent than the GOP’s because there is less ideological disagreement on the issue than there is within the GOP.

              1. Yes, their ‘messaging’ is clear to those individuals who have no rationality or basis of reasoning. That is who their ‘messaging’ is aimed at. If I sound accusatory towards you in particular, it’s unintentional.

                It is simply true that the Democrats platform is schizophrenic, and that their show of unity is made much easier by their complete and utter lack of ability to accomplish anything without GOP support right now. It’s merely a flip-flop from how it was with the Republicans under Obama (until they gained power, obviously).

                How does one support a sky-high minimum wage while also supporting open immigration and/or amnesty? Easy. Just don’t know anything whatsoever about either of those two things while making decisions. It’s really that simple.

                1. I don’t disagree, I would just add that I don’t think the Republican’s offer a particularly consistent message to rational people either. The Dems position on immigration does seem odd given their historical stance on labor issues.

                  1. Shouldn’t be an apostrophe in Republicans there.

                  2. The problem here is that I am neither party, yet for some reason when I criticize Democrats people assume it’s because I support Republicans (and the other way around, which is perhaps even more hilarious).

                    I do not support Republicans, unless that Republican happens to be Rand Paul specifically and even he ain’t perfect. Both parties are morally bankrupt and we are on the certain road to doom.

                    I hate Democrats more than Republicans, but it’s mostly because I find them to be more hypocritical in general and because Democrats are more openly socialist/communist which is essentially the antithesis to my entire world view.

                    1. I understand, people make the opposite conclusion about me.

                    2. Well of course it’s easier to hate slavers more than non slavers. The GOP is almost hopelessly lost, but at least they’re not dedicated slavers.

          2. Fucking Democrats agree with 80% of Americans.

            For the midterms, their ads will show Trump at that immigration meeting, promising — twice to support a DACA bill. The fucking Reps have virtually guaranteed a progressive landslide this year.

            And their failure on healthcare has made Obamacare more popular than ever.
            Their refusal to restore free market OUTCOMES in healthcare means progressives are the only one claiming to do what the vast majority of people have wanted for over 100 years, 100% medical care for the uninsured — as the free market provided through private charities (while the far-right and Rand Paul OPPOSE private charities) They have NO arguments against single-payer now.

            Trump has killed more than the GOP.

          3. Fucking Democrats agree with 80% of Americans.

            For the midterms, their ads will show Trump at that immigration meeting, promising — twice to support a DACA bill. The fucking Reps have virtually guaranteed a progressive landslide this year.

            And their failure on healthcare has made Obamacare more popular than ever.
            Their refusal to restore free market OUTCOMES in healthcare means progressives are the only one claiming to do what the vast majority of people have wanted for over 100 years, 100% medical care for the uninsured — as the free market provided through private charities (while the far-right and Rand Paul OPPOSE private charities) They have NO arguments against single-payer now.

            Trump has killed more than the GOP.

            1. It would also seem that 80% of squirrels agree with you.

              1. No. People. 80% of Americans disagree with you.

                And there’s also ABSOLUTE proof of how Trump caused it all. From two IMPECCABLE conservative websites. https://reason.com/blog/2018/01…..nt_7103837
                Anything else?

      2. Democrats do not know what they want, and they are not clear about it. It changes by the minute, according to the circumstances of that day. In other words opportunism, plain and simple.

        If reporters used the same verbiage between parties, we would be hearing all about how Democrats voted in a nativist program like the ACA over saving brown people, and it would be ceaselessly pointed out how they are racist because of it.

        So you’ll forgive me if I give negative fucks about this situation. Democrats weren’t serious about immigrants under Obama, and they’re doubly not serious about it now. They’re in the position of being able to win points in the exact same ways Republicans did under Obama.

        They’re all hat, no cattle, but I’m supposed to just sit here and hear about how Republicans are racist nativists when all evidence points to the same exact opinion on the Democrat side? Give me a fucking break. The only plan Democrats have in terms of immigration are amnesty, amnesty, and oh did I forget amnesty? That’s not a plan.

        1. That was Ronald Reagan’s plan, but it’s not Democrats’. It should be, but it’s not.

          Immigration is one of the most inaugurating political subjects because nothing Republicans care about has any connection to reality. We don’t have an immigration problem. We don’t have an immigrant crime problem. We don’t have an immigrant welfare state problem. It’s all a bunch of nothing.

          Unless you get one to admit that the reality is their primary voters hate brown people and want to kick as many out as possible.

          1. infuriating*, that was weird

            1. I sort of took it as is and thought you meant it was one of those starting or basal issues that is at the core of certain people’s beliefs.

          2. Are you really so stupid that you think that just because Reagan did something that it automatically means the Democrats are against it?

            But by all means, continue to distract from things like the minimum wage and unions being explicitly designed and founded to literally keep immigrants out of the market.

            1. Every institution in America was originally designed to shit on minorities. Want to talk about some of the highlights in the history of libertarianism?

              And that’s not what I meant to imply. I meant to imply that the GOP used to be able to be sane on this subject, even to the extent of mass amnesty. That was within my lifetime. Now amnesty is a bad word (for a libertarian, that’s kind of odd). And not only is it a bad word, every tiny attempt at basic human decency Democrats or Republicans try to offer immigrants is labelled amnesty and sent to Rush Limbaugh to screech about.

              1. So you’ve come full circle and you now agree with me that the Democrat plan is amnesty, amnesty, and oh yes more amnesty.

                It really didn’t take long for you to reverse yourself. You really should learn to hold onto a train of thought.

                Every institution in America was originally designed to shit on minorities.

                This is actually not true, but it is almost entirely true of Democrat creations. Coincidence?

                1. No that is most assuredly not remotely their plan. Their plan is to attempt to appease Latino voters by standing up for the absolute most sympathetic immigrant groups and letting Republicans get away with shitting on all the rest.

                  it is almost entirely true of Democrat creations.

                  Oh, sometimes I forget this place is populated by those who actually listen to Limbaugh.

                  1. Ha, Limbaugh. Such a powerful argument in the face of almost a century of programs like the minimum wage, strong union support, and having as many members belong to the KKK as there are members. I’m sure you’d love to say that reflects the Republican party, but unfortunately the history books still show that it was Democrats in charge.

                    Unless, of course, you think LBJ was a Republican? Say it ain’t so…

                    1. The apartheid-supporting Southern racists defected and formed the modern Republican party, which now skews largely rural and white. Any idiot understands this.

                      The mere recitation of this mindless bit of historical semantics overlays a racist premise: that blacks and Latinos are voting for Democrats despite it being the party of the real racists. Boy, they must be really dumb, huh?

                    2. Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act and remained prominent Team Blue politicians until their deaths this century. The ridiculous narrative that the GOP went ‘Red Rover Red Rover send racists on over” sometime in the 60s is so demonstrably false as to be patently obvious to anyone but a Team Blue shill like you.

                    3. The ridiculous narrative that the GOP went ‘Red Rover Red Rover send racists on over” sometime in the 60s is so demonstrably false as to be patently obvious to anyone but a Team Blue shill like you

                      YOU SAY THE SOUTH IS DEMOCRAT?

                      And TONY is the shill!!!

                    4. You know, except for people like Robert Byrd.

                    5. Save it for someone stupid enough to buy it. “But Robert Byrd!” excuses the Republican party for all its racism, past and present. I know, I know.

                    6. You’re a functional retard Tony since Democrats still support those programs. You need to get new talking points, yours were clearly meant for the 12-14 ‘young adult’ demographic.

                    7. Tony uses ‘Media Matters’ talking points and MSNBC sound bites, and thinks that crap will actually work here. I’ve got a proggy at my gym that does that. He’s afraid to talk politics in front of me.

                    8. While you say thing like “proggy”

                      Left – Rigjht = Zero

                    9. Tony, that whole trope about democrats going to the GOPafter the sixties has been disproven. It’s just a fairy tale progtards tell the younguns to hide the fact you democrats are rabid racists.

                    10. Tony, that whole trope about democrats going to the GOPafter the sixties has been disproven.

                      Not to anyone with an IQ higher than a rock!

                      You actually said .. in public .. that the south is DEMOCRAT!!!
                      What about all those space aliens in Roswell New Mexico?
                      Snow White and those short dudes?

              2. It’s funny you keep bleating about Limbaugh. Especially when it’s unlikely that much of anyone here listens to him. Except probably you.

          3. Tony, we tried amnesty under Reagan. It was a huge failure and fixed nothing (in part because, as usual, a promise from a democrat is worth nothing). So why would we do that again? Only a moron like you thinks that’s a viabl solution.

            1. What were the Clinton years amnesty, chopped liver?

              1. Chopped dog shit.

        2. Once again, calm down and actually try to understand the other person’s argument before you start banging on strawmen. I completely agree with you about the Democrats being hypocrites and opportunists on this issue over the years. All I was saying is that on the shutdown battle, there is a more consistent message from them because there’s less disagreement within their ranks on the issue.

          1. I am calm, but your point amounts to ‘Politicians agree when nothing is on the line’ which is as obvious as saying ‘the sky is blue’.

            1. Do you think there would be substantial disagreement on this issue among Democrats if they were in power? Again, going back to the question above, who do you think would have an easier time crafting a DACA/CR bill acceptable to all or at least the vast majority of their party: Schumer/Pelosi or Ryan/McConnell? I simply think regardless of what’s on the line the Democrats have more uniformity of opinion on this issue.


              1. Do you think there would be substantial disagreement on this issue among Democrats if they were in power?

                Yes, and I know this because they didn’t pass immigration reform while in power which is the best metric I can think of offhand.

                Much like how Republicans were completely united behind killing the ACA until they were in power.

                This should not be surprising, but it’s even more true when a party doesn’t have a supermajority which is an excuse the Democrats in particular can’t use since they literally had one.

                1. And, notably, as I pointed out immigration and protectionist programs can’t work well together which is ultimately why I think they opted for healthcare since it was easier to build a consensus of ‘it should be free’ among their socialist and progressive membership.

                  Immigration is a lot more complicated since it would necessarily mean less intrusion by the state into the private market. That is at odd’s with progressivism and socialisms desire to centrally plan, hence amnesty which is essentially a ‘we’ll figure it out later after we’re a utopia’ kind of answer.

                  1. (laughing) It was McConnell who caved .. TOTALLY

                    Undeniable proof, 2 CONSERVATIVE souurces: https://reason.com/blog/2018/01…..nt_7103838

                    But keep allowing yourselves to be brainwashed puppets.

    3. Or, you know, it might be because the DACA question was itself an “immigration reform they wanted” and it’s now expiring in March.

      1. …. Even though Trump promised … on live TV to perhaps 100 million Americans by now — to support a separate bill on DACA ,.. AND sign ANY bill that Congress sent to his desk … but TOTALLY reversed himself in private

        Even the Washington Times reported that it was TRUMP who caused no vote on the Durbin-Graham bill … bipartisan ..,. that HE ASKED FOR. That’s why Graham ran around saying that it’s impossible to negotiate with Trump and believe he’ll honor the deal.

        Today’s asshat GOP is literally handing government power to progressives … largely because they win on EVERY major issue in the court of public opinions.

        Goobers bellowing ain’t gonna save them … or save America. Time to learn Chinese.

  5. McConnell had already reneged on his promise to bring DACA to a vote in January in exchange for Flake’s support for the tax bill. So I think McConnell’s strategy was to run out the clock on Trump’s time limit on DACA. Don’t hold any votes, just let the thing expire. Schumer’s antics secured at least a very public and definite commitment to vote on DACA. It probably wasn’t worth shutting down the government over it but it wasn’t a total capitulation.

    1. The whole thing is such a shitshow. Trying to balance the interests of all of these groups, just on the immigration issue, is close to impossible:

      – Establishment and moderate Republicans
      – The hardcore nativists
      – Rank-and-file conservatives in between those two groups
      – Democrats
      – Trump/Executive branch

      And then when you add on all the fiscal-related debate in a CR, the situation gets even more complicated.

      1. Well I think this gets back to Suderman’s article earlier about the complete brokenness of the Congressional budgeting process. Of course DACA is attached to a spending bill because literally the only thing that everyone in Congress can agree on is to spend tons of money. Every priority now must be attached to a spending bill because that is the only thing guaranteed to be brought up for a vote by either tribe.

        I just wish that there was some way out of this complete mess, but I don’t see what it could be.

        1. “I just wish that there was some way out of this complete mess, but I don’t see what it could be.”

          Something something… tree of liberty… something something… blood of tyrants

      2. The situation is complicated at all: US Congress is primarily responsible for the well being of US citizens. The only reason we have a shutdown is because Democrats are holding Congress hostage to the demands of illegal aliens; and they are doing that in a cynical attempt to skew demographics in their own favor.

        1. Mark22 keeps lying about Trump’s broken promises — two — to support a Dreamer bill.
          And ignoring that 80% of Americans support a path to citizenship for Dreamers.

          Goobers be handing all of Congress to Progressives in November, just as Republicans refused to support a free-market alternative to single payer health care — because Obama would get credit. A free-market alternative to single-payer — endorsed by the NY Times and Daily Kos — as a PERMANENT replacement to single-payer — and they REFUSED to pass it!

          The right-wing echo chamber doesn’t even know what the Republicans refused to support — which forced Obama to his far-left. When Republicans worked with Kennedy on tax cuts, they passed a MASSIVE tax reform — later copied identically by Reagan TOO — against fierce opposition by the AFL-CIO and far-left.

          Right-wing goobers have replaced the GOP of Reagan and Goldwater, and the libertarianism now supported by over 60% of Americans. And left-wing goobers have replaced the Dems of Kennedy and Moynihan.

          As they bellow like Homer Simpson… left-Right=Zero

          1. (laughing) I was McConnell who caved .. TOTALLY

            Undeniable proof, 2 CONSERVATIVE souurces: https://reason.com/blog/2018/01…..nt_7103838

            But keep allowing yourself to be brainwashed puppets.

          2. Mark22 keeps lying about Trump’s broken promises — two — to support a Dreamer bill.

            I said nothing at all about Trump or Trump’s promises, so it’s hard to see how I could be “lying” about that.

            Goobers be handing all of Congress to Progressives in November

            Well, they certainly won’t be handing it to Libertarians, and as someone who “worked both inside and outside the party” and has been a self-proclaimed important player in “Libertarian Party history”, you’re certainly partially responsible for it.

            as a PERMANENT replacement to single-payer — and they REFUSED to pass it!

            They probably did it just to spite YOU! Just think about it!

            1. Mark22 keeps lying about Trump’s broken promises — two — to support a Dreamer bill.

              I said nothing at all about Trump or Trump’s promises,

              LAME
              (lol) Why would you have to?

              so it’s hard to see how I could be “lying” about that.

              Hard for you, but you just posted that lame excuse.

              YOU LIED ABOUT THE CAUSE OF THE SHUTDOWN. Fully documented by IMPECCABLE conservative media
              https://reason.com/blog/2018/01…..nt_7103837

              I’ll ignore your childish personal attacks from the gutter. Sad

              1. YOU LIED ABOUT THE CAUSE OF THE SHUTDOWN

                Are you on drugs or something? I said nothing about the cause of the shutdown, or Trump, or Trump’s promises.

                What I said was “Too bad. I was hoping for at least a few days. Two weeks would be even better, because I have it on good authority that at that point, shutdowns finally start hurting.”

                1. Mark AGAIN one sick liar, PROVEN by two TOP conservative papers, and Lindsay Graham

                  Are you on drugs or something?

                  THAT gets boldface, punk

                  I said nothing about the cause of the shutdown,.

                  (sneer)

                  The only reason we have a shutdown is because Democrats are holding Congress hostage to the demands of illegal https://reason.com/blog/2018/01…..nt_7103660

                  You REFUSE the PROOF link, so paste-in, sucka

                  McConnell, under pressure from Trump, REFUSED to allow a vote on a Dreamers Bill. Washington Times
                  What was he afraid of? (This is NOT rocket science)
                  Trump had earlier PROMISED to sign whatever Congress passed. Wall Street Journal
                  Still confused?
                  1) Trump promises to sign whatever Congress sends, NO veto, when grandstanding at televised immigration meeting
                  2) Trump PRESSURES McConnell to deny a vote … ON A BILL HE ASKED FOR. (Durbin-Graham)
                  3) Trump a PROVEN liar … at a televised meeting we all saw
                  The unsung hero – Sen. Graham — all over the news saying can’t negotiate with Trump because he can’t keep his word.

                  Mark is Trump’s base.(vomit)

                  1. Goldwater and Reagan are weeping in their graves, at the sorry fucks who ruined their party.
                    With the sickest of all atop it.

                    NEW POLL — If Presidential election today .. Trump would lose to ALL THREE probable candidates … ALL by over 30 points!!

                    Mark and his ilk — enablers of a progressive takeover. Treason?

        2. The only reason we have a shutdown is because Democrats are holding Congress hostage to the demands of illegal aliens;

          Tribal bullshit
          Shameful.

          Trump promised to support a DACA bill — on live TV ,.. and the actual video is linked from my proof (the Wall Street Journal video

          I got HARD proof. You got nothing. So sad

        3. That right there is a perfect summary of this whole mess. But to point that out is considered racist.

          1. Too bad that ABSOLUTE proof says the exact opposite! By two TOP conservative news sources.
            https://reason.com/blog/2018/01…..nt_7103837

    1. Over non-citizens who’re illegally in the country…

      If the Dems keep doubling down on immigration, they’d better get really used to Trump and people like him being in the White house.

      1. You describe an ethnically warring shitshow run by demagogues like it’s a good thing.

        1. Tony, Trump is the best thing in the White a house in decades. Since Reagan anyway. Until we can get you progressives out of this country we probably won’t be able to do much better.

          1. Trump is the exact opposite of Reagan, youngster.

            1. I never said Trump=Reagan. I’m not implying it either. He is however a better president than any of Reagan’s successors. But yes, he is very different from Reagan.

              1. He’s a serial liar, cannot be trusted to honor his commitments, has an authoritarian disgust for three co-equal branches, a shameful liar, and a tactical cripple who keeps attacking the people whose votes he needs, and a racist – a rather blatant one – as we saw with Charlottesvile.

                The way he caused the shutdown is downright cowardly.

      2. As far as immigration issues go, it seems DACA Is about as politically safe of a thing to stand for as any.

        1. But 80% of Americans are wrong/

      3. There are lots of non-citizens in this country. Odds are, you have some non-citizens in your past as well. (If you’re white or black, the odds are 100%.)

        The Dreamers aren’t here illegally any longer. That’s the whole point of DACA. They came here illegally, through no choice of their own, and became temporarily legal under DACA. They’re documented immigrants with the right to work, pay taxes, and even join the military.

        1. Or, more correctly, their deportation was temporarily postponed.

        2. Through an executive branch action. I do not understand why the Emperor gets to decide everything.

          1. Yeah, when Emperor Trump is SUCH an ass

    2. Odd indeed. Normally it’s the republicans that suck at it. What this means is there is no consensus on the left. And, like good progs, they can’t function in a horizontal structure without it. Could this mean…Trump is winning? It can’t be the GOP – they only figured out who the president was just a couple months ago.

  6. Trump “may have torpedoed a bipartisan immigration deal with his remark about “shithole countries” two weeks ago.”

    I think you confuse who shot that torpedo. An utterance (“shithouse countries”) in a private meeting while negotiating vs leaking story to the press to gin up the OUTRAGE.

    Ya, it vas Herr Durkin.

    Herr Schumer, upon seeing the still-live torpedo miss the USS Stormy Daniels and return to sender, agrees to end the shutdown. Who now has more leverage to get more of what they want?

    1. I’d heard that people were trying to pretend “shithouse” was what he really said and that it was intended as a serious commend on countries with poor plumbing. Because, you know, we always use plumbing as a metric when talking about other countries!?

      I couldn’t believe anyone could be that gullible. But here we are with someone using it seriously.

      1. Since democrats are such sociopathic liars, who can say what was really said. Dick Durbin is such a conniving piece of shit he even attacked our own military personnel during wartime to advance his political goals. I wouldn’t believe a goddamn thing that comes out of his mouth on face value.

    2. The hardest part of playing chicken is knowing when to flinch.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kaBIMuW74Q

      1. Trump and McConnell knew it was time!

  7. Republicans can’t even provide relief from expulsion for people who are 100% American except some paperwork (which is the fault of their parents when they were children), not because of any ideological commitment or genuine democratic support (this is the most sympathetic group of immigrants possible), but because if they give a single inch on helping out the brown people, some fat talk radio assface will take them down in the primaries. It happened to Eric Cantor. They’re fucked on this thing. More importantly, so are the human beings they’re going to deport because their party is in a racist death spiral.

    1. 100% American except some paperwork

      I am 100% Billionaire, except for some paperwork!

      1. I’m a billionaire too – but there are only a few currencies where that checks out. The dollar isn’t on the list.

      2. Why did you distort what he said so shamefully?

    2. So you’re saying that when Democrats give a temporary stay of deportation that what they actually meant was citizenship?

      Hmm…it sounds like you think Obama was a real bastard to me.

      1. Obama was a real bastard when it came to immigration. I kept trying to tell him, Republicans are never going to give you credit for this, you know?

        What is the problem you want to solve with immigration policy, precisely?

        1. You would need to ask Democrats, who are notably the party seeking immigration reform.

        2. What is the problem you want to solve with immigration policy, precisely?

          We have a flock of retards — Trump the worst — who think immigration has something to do with jobs, especially factory jobs. Add them to the racists.

    3. So this argument again.

      If parents can’t pay rent, the property owner can evict them, including kids who had nothing to do with the rental agreement. Aside from immigration, liberals don’t make exceptions for legal obligation (especially property and intellectual rights of the ultra wealthy) and strive to create a bunch of arbitrary ones – like safe spaces and diversity quotas. If Tony can’t stay in my house because he secretly mows my lawn, and undocumented aliens can’t stay in America because they’re “100% American” or other random standard that has little to do with their legal standing.

      The courts struck down Obama’s EO because congress needs to be involved in resolving the DACA situation. Trump deferred the matter to congress as he should. What did the democrats propose? They could have given Trump his largely meaningless wall and at least gotten a stay of deportation.

      The democrats could have resolved this many months ago. They didn’t, because it’s in their interests for these DACA kids to remain in limbo. Durbin’s crew knew they were dealing with a mercurial president who was nevertheless eager to make a DACA deal, and they leaked the “shithole” comment anyways. Yeah, they knew exactly what they were doing.

      1. Schumer offered the stupid wall. Then Trump’s dementia kicked in. Sorry, “best leadership skills in the history of humankind.”

        Citizenship and property rights are not completely analogous. And frankly the level of callousness that you people are willing to treat millions of human beings is psychopathic. And there’s not even a problem to solve other than their mere existence.

        1. So it is psychopathic for people to live in their home country until they are granted citizenship in another country?

        2. Tony, that’s a funny comment! Not based in reality in any way, but funny nonetheless. You silly bitch.

          1. Behold the psychopathic racism of Donald Trump … at the very top of the GOP

            You silly bitch

            His INSANE lies about Charlottesvile, defending nazis and white supremacists. Bad enough that he said both sides were to blame. But he also went bat-shit crazy, saying the counter-protesters charged the nazis, swinging clubs.

            He is one sick fuck. UNDENIABLE proof

            The initial assault, Charlottesvile – nazis and white supremacist attacking with clubs
            “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
            Alt-Right Facsists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
            Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence

            Shame on Trump and the party who defends him

        3. Rules are for chumps. Just take a flight to America on a tourist visa, ignore the visa rules (this is America after all, who cares about stupid crap like following the law in regards to visas, that works for other shithole countries like France and Germany and Canada), wait for the feels to roll in, and become a citizen through legislative blackmail.

          Sprinkle in allegations of racism for anyone alleging annoyance at the whole charade and publish countless articles of heartbreaking stories with beautiful illegal alien babies. Win.

        4. And frankly the level of callousness that you people are willing to treat millions of human beings is psychopathic.

          What you call “callousness” is the rule of law, across the globe. If you’re not a citizen, you have no right or expectation to keep living in a country, no matter how much you may want it. That’s what every immigrant has to deal with. I have had to deal with it myself when I lived in different countries.

          What is “callous” and “psychopathic” is that you and the Democrats are advocating treating illegal migrants better than people who obey US law.

          1. I have had to deal with it myself when I lived in different countries.

            You are totally … absolutely … unequivocally … full of shit. Especially if Canada was one of those countries.

            EVERY country .. including ours has a class of NON-citizens as totally legal residents. They can even vote in … I believe it’s every country but ours. I voted in Canada every year.

            Has anyone EVER revolted over … taxation without representation? (that you know of)
            Do you know the meaning of … moral hypocrisy?

            The extreme right used to proclaim God-given rights … until they decided that their political goals ouranked the Will of Almighty God. So we now have people who are both fake Christians and fake conservatives … they very ones Goldwater warned about, and that he and Reagan defied.

            In the America that once was.

            1. EVERY country .. including ours has a class of NON-citizens as totally legal residents. They can even vote in … I believe it’s every country but ours. I voted in Canada every year.

              Yes, and as non-citizens, they have “no right or expectation to keep living in” that country, under both national and international law. That is: an indefinite residency without citizenship can be withdrawn by changes in the law or changes in status. For example, if you are convicted of a serious felony, you may be deported even if you are a Legal permanent Resident.

              Internationally, freedom of movement is only guaranteed within a state or for leaving and reentering a country one is a citizen of.

              The extreme right used to

              Well, given that you’re a fascist, I’ll take your word for what the “extreme right” used to believe.

              1. Yes, and as non-citizens, they have “no right or expectation to keep living in” that country, under both national and international law.

                GOOD GOD A GREEN CARD IS A PERMANENT RESIDENT
                MORE proof that you’re wrong. This time the federal Customs and Immigration site blows you out of the water

                I shall again ignore your shameful personal attacks.

                (Just for fun, how many readers can see how Mark REVERSED his original assertion?)

                Move along. Nothing here …

                (boldface to ridicule the shameful personal attacks along with lies and/or ignorance)

                1. GOOD GOD A GREEN CARD IS A PERMANENT RESIDENT

                  “Permanent resident” is a technical term. Permanent residents can still be deported, for example, when they commit a serious felony, when immigration law changes, or when they violate immigration law.

                  The only way someone acquires an irrevocable right to be present in the US (or any other nation for that matter) is by becoming a naturalized citizen.

                  1. “Permanent resident” is a technical term.

                    it means “permanent resident”

                    Permanent residents can still be deported, for example, when they commit a serious felony, when immigration law changes, or when they violate immigration law.

                    I appreciate your retraction.
                    And laugh at your mind games.
                    But that’s not true either.

    4. people who are 100% American except some paperwork

      Well, that and their birthplace isn’t in America or on a military base or embassy or anything that is legally considered U.S. soil.

      Ditto that for their parents.

      But yeah, totally 100% American.

      1. Why does it matter to you?

        1. Matter, as in the law? I know that concept is alien to your progtards, but to real Americans it means something.

          1. Unless your name is Trump, contard

            Left – Right = Zero

            1. Michael, you constantly complain about personal attacks, yet come out swinging at me without provocation. Think on that before you complain about your treatment from others.

              Please note that I am in no way attacking you, just pointing this out to you.

              1. Are you serious? I answered at your level. That was a very nasty comment.

                1. I’m nasty for calling Tony out on his bullshit? Really? The guy is a vile disingenuous troll slaver of the worst kind. None of that is in dispute. That’s why you came at me?

                  Sorry, but I’m not playing nice with him. He’s made it very clear that if he had his way we would all be living in some version of the Soviet aunion with he and his pals as the thought police with their boots on our necks. He’s brought it on himself.

                  1. I’m nasty for calling Tony out on his bullshit? Really

                    (laughing) Also retarded!
                    This comment conveys massive bigotry.
                    Repeat MASSIVE.

                    You throw a hissy fit because I called you a contard. But you defend yourself calling somebody a progtard. Then, like the worst bigots of all .. but that’s okay, he DESERVES it (gag)

                    if head his way we would all be living in some version of the Soviet union with he and his pals as the thought police with their boots on our necks.

                    Shame on you.
                    That is a massive pile of steaming bullshit. You’re 1000 times more hate-spewing than I imagined.
                    Go kill some kittens that belong to “libtards”

                    1. Except That is exactly how Tony is. Pay attention to what he says. If you can’t see that I can’t help you.

                    2. From the guy who says the south is DEMOCRAT!.
                      (sneer)

                      He’s made it very clear that if he had his way we would all be living in some version of the Soviet aunion with he and his pals as the thought police with their boots on our neck

                      Hysteria much? I’ll let readers judge for themselves
                      Or are only alt-right racists still reading?

    5. So, I take it that you will also be for the ostensibly unlimited chain migration of people from (to take a phrase attributed to President Trump) shit-hole countries? In the parlance of leftists today – F – U, Tony!

    6. Tony, everyone knows you progressives ar the real racists here. Just admit what too are.

      1. Tony, everyone knows you progressives are the real racists here

        (spits coffee onto monitor, wipes it off, continues) With your level of blatant bigotry here??????
        https://reason.com/blog/2018/01…..nt_7104670

        Now Trump’s totally psychopathic lie about Charlottesvile, sucking up to white supremacists. Bad enough that he said both sides were to blame. But he also went bat-shit crazy, saying the counter-protesters charged the nazis, swinging clubs. He is one sick fuck. UNDENIABLE proof


        The initial assault, Charlottesvile – nazis and white supremacist run amok.

        “Alt-Left” standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
        Alt-Right Facsists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
        Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence

        Shame on Trump and the party who defends him.

    7. Republicans can’t even provide relief from expulsion for people who are 100% American except some paperwork (which is the fault of their parents when they were children),

      Good. I keep hoping that they will stand firm on this.

      More importantly, so are the human beings they’re going to deport because their party is in a racist death spiral.

      It’s the Democrats who have always been racist and continue to be racist. Voters seem to be waking up to this.

      1. Voters seem to be waking up to this.

        80% of them say you’re full of shit.

        Left – Right = Zero

        1. 80% of them say you’re full of shit.

          I’m looking forward to seeing whether Democrats receive 80% of the total votes. I suspect not.

          1. LAME. It’s only one issue. For the larger picture, Red Team got suckered again
            ABSOLUTE PROOF, from two TOP conservative sources is provided here.
            https://reason.com/blog/2018/01…..nt_7103837

            THAT is what you’ll see, in thousands of campaign ads for the midterms.

  8. Aww. I was so looking forward to a 3 or 4 week media extravaganza, where they flushed out free range morons to put in front of the camera demanding the very same government that would be continuing to show up to work m-f “do something” about the alleged shutdown. But it also occurs to me: the real game being the budget, Harry Reid has proved beyond any reasonable doubt that our federal government is now setup to run 100% on autopilot. So what do we need congress for, anyway? They don’t do regular order anymore [funding agency by agency, with all the debate that accompanies it], and they don’t do any meaningful oversight. They also haven’t gotten off the dime to impeach sitting judges trying to steal their constitutional power to form immigration policy this past year. Not to pour salt in old wounds, but this is an institution that decided not to remove two sitting AG’s for a plethora of wrongful deaths caused directly by their malfeasance – one being Reno’s mass child bbq in Texas, the other being Holder giving guns to drug cartels that resulted in hundreds of deaths including US law enforcement. It seems ‘legislative branch’ just no longer works to describe congress… we need a new name.

    1. Amen to that, Flinch. I second you.

    2. Left – Right = Zero

      Two deep tribal caves … consoling each other for comfort … as a growing majority of Americans rejects loyalty to both.
      The militant self-righteous.

    3. It seems ‘legislative branch’ just no longer works to describe congress… we need a new name.

      Easy, just call them congress, since they are the opposite of progress.

  9. Where in HELL did you come up with that 80% of Americans want the Dream Act and the unsustainable chain migration that goes with it? I have been a Libertarian long before I registered as one, but find that many posts now are inane, anti constitutional. The founding fathers are having their graves pissed on by many with their leftist (not Libertarian) ideas. If this is going to be the Libertarian Party of the future, I shall not be a part of it.

    1. I have been a Libertarian long before I registered as one,

      Only if you’re brainwashed enough to think Ron Paul is one.

      nut find that many posts now are inane, anti constitutional.

      You been brainwashed on that, too.

      If this is going to be the Libertarian Party of the future, I shall not be a part of it.

      Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out,

      graves pissed on by many with their leftist (not Libertarian) ideas

      Libertarian have been fiscally conservative and socially liberal for a half-century. Stay where you’ll be comfortable, the alt-right.

      1. Where in HELL did you come up with that 80% of Americans want the Dream Act and the unsustainable chain migration that goes with it?

        Every poll in America is in the same narrow range.
        Chain migration is totally separate. Whoever told you otherwise is a tribal hack,

  10. So, “we” have roads again?

  11. “Republicans are seeking to lift spending caps on order to pump more money into the Pentagon”

    Just last September, Congress increased military spending from $619,000,000,000 to $700,000,000,000? Already they need more?

    1. Just doesn’t go as far as it used to.

    2. The demand for free sex change operations turned out to be bigger than expected.

  12. The Government Shutdown Is Over for Now

    Too bad. I was hoping for at least a few days. Two weeks would be even better, because I have it on good authority that at that point, shutdowns finally start hurting.

    Another shutdown looms in three weeks.

    I guess there is hope yet.

  13. What? The government shut down? Didn’t notice.

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  15. UNDENIABLE PROOF: … TWO Conservative sources …. McConnell caved
    Right-wingers here are as gullible as Berniebots, and just got hustled AGAIN. McConnell CAVES .. claims victory ,.. and the Gomers swallow it.

    Pay attention, suckers. Fox and Breitbart won’t report this

    Um,. McConnell, under pressure from Trump, REFUSED to allow a vote on a Dreamers Bill. Washington Times
    What was he afraid of? (This is NOT rocket science)

    Trump had earlier PROMISED to sign whatever Congress passed. Wall Street Journal

    Still confused?
    1) Trump promises to sign whatever Congress sends, NO veto, when grandstanding at televised immigration meeting

    2) Trump PRESSURES McConnell to deny a vote … ON A BILL HE ASKED FOR. (Durbin-Graham)

    3) Trump a PROVEN liar … at a televised meeting we all saw

    McConnell denies a vote. Then promises a vote .,.. And that’s not a cave-in!!!! bwaaaa haaaa
    If DACA had the Senate votes then, why not later???

    Pay attention
    1) This is an election year
    2) 80% of Americans want legal status for Dreamers — 70% an EARNED path to citizenship.

    The unsung hero – Sen. Graham — all over the news saying Trump broke his word … cannot be trusted to negotiate.

    Any questions?

    1. 2) 80% of Americans want legal status for Dreamers — 70% an EARNED path to citizenship.

      80% of little girls want a pony. 0% want it when they discover that involves shoveling shit.

      1. LAME. jokes and meaningless slogans are no way to deny reality.. For now, it looks like your party is the walking dead.

        ABSOLUTE PROOF, from two TOP conservative sources is provided IN THIS VERY THREAD. Shoulda looked
        THAT is what you’ll see, in thousands of campaign ads for the midterms.

        It doesn’t help your cause with voters .. when you refer to Dreamers as “shit” .. the same Dreamers supported by 80% of Americans. And TRUMP the slime broke his commitments … per even Lindsay Graham … and seen on live TV by 100 million Americans by now. (Spare us any lame excuses to dismiss Graham too)

        Partisan caves are no place to dwell. Left – Right = Zero

  16. Trump should not budge an inch. With DACA he has everything he needs to make the Dems look like shit to most people.

    Most people are OKAY with letting the DACA illegal immigrants get amnesty… But the numbers are very different for every other thing the Dems want. Most don’t want broad amnesty. Most don’t want chain migration. Most want lower overall numbers of legal immigration. A slight majority even wants the wall.

    So Trump just needs to keep saying “All I want is what most of America wants: 1. End to chain migration. 2. End to diversity lottery. 3. End to unskilled immigration and shifting to a points system. 4. Build the wall. Give me that, and I’ll sign off on DACA. If the Democrats won’t do it, everybody needs to understand they’re the ones ignoring the will of most of the country.”

    It will kill the Dems because all of the above is borne out by polling. He has the upper hand, and should just let the government shut down if the Democrats won’t do it. It’ll be all on them over something they’re completely out of step with versus most of the country. He’d be a fool to not use this to push through a major immigration reform.

    1. Trump should not budge an inch.

      The commitment he made, then broke, was broadcast from that televised immigration meeting. He promised he’s sign whatever Congress passed … then the slime pressured McConnell to REFUSE A VOTE …on the bipartisan bill he asked for. That video if him looking Presidential to the public, then sabotaging it all in the dark state — will be in thousands of TV ads for the November election.

      Most people are OKAY with letting the DACA illegal immigrants get amnesty… But the numbers are very different for every other ting the Dems want.

      ONLY DACA is on the table, Trump said he’d support even a SEPARATE bill DACA. and sign whatever Congress sent him … then violated his own commitment, That’s why Senator Graham was all over the news shows saying it’s impossible for Trump to negotiate, because he cannot keep his word.

      Give me that, and I’ll sign off on DACA.

      Why should anyone trust him after his prior betrayals and lies?

      None of this was reported by Fox. (lol)

      1. Ugh. He’s off the cuff. He half way wasn’t even paying attention to half of the shit during that stupid meeting. So whatever.

        If he’s very clear, like what I wrote above, and that is what gets passed, and then he won’t sign it… Then you can bitch. But he WOULD sign that. And that would make 90% of the country happy.

        He ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT do a stand alone DACA bill. That is literally the only immigration reform that the Dems support that is also supported by most of the country. Everything else most people agree with Trump/mainstream Republicans on. Only a moron would give up their only good bargaining chip.

        1. (correcting placement. I hope!)

          For Roy Moore, you people knowingly excused a sexual predator
          Now you defend Trump being a psycho liar and violating Presidential commitments … as a bargaining chip

          Trump did say his supporters would stand by him, even if he committed murder in broad daylight with witnesses.
          Since you stood by him saying YOU have a robotic mind, with no sense of right and wrong, no moral values at all, I guess we should expect this type of dishonor from you people.

          1. Ugh. I didn’t even vote for him! I voted for Gay Jay.

            And he has lied far less than any other recent president. You just don’t like his agenda. I don’t like some parts either, but I love other parts. Same as any politician. You’re just a nut job who is freaking out over what has been a pretty typically crappy president. I’m just saying that he has the upper hand, and needs to use it to fix our immigration system to something that makes more sense. I support a skills based system, and the Dems are dead set against it because it’s not quite the voting block they’re looking for… I imagine they’re afraid rich, legal, immigrants might think higher taxes are a bad thing or something? So if he doesn’t use DACA to get it there’s no other way it’s gonna happen. It’s a fair and reasonable compromise, so I don’t see why everybody is in such a huff about it.

          2. Oh, and as far as Roy Moore goes, he’s not my kinda guy because of all his bible thumper stuff… But only ONE of those supposed incidents was anything remotely illegal, or IMO, immoral. He dated girls of legal age, with parental consent, and didn’t even bang any of them… That was pretty typical throughout all of human history, including in the USA, until the last couple decades. It really wasn’t even out of the norm in the 70s when all that shit supposedly happened. So unless he actually raped that one chick, which he claim has a lot of inconsistencies in it, then he didn’t do anything too horrible.

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  19. For Roy Moore, you people knowingly excused a sexual predator
    Now you defend Trump being a psycho liar and violating Presidential commitments … as a bargaining chip

    Trump did say his supporters would stand by him, even if he committed murder in broad daylight with witnesses.
    Since you stood by him saying YOU have a robotic mind, with no sense of right and wrong, no moral values at all, I guess we should expect this type of dishonor from you people.

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