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Trump's Plan to Strip Work Visas from Talented Immigrant Wives Won't Make America Great Again

No immigrant of any kind is safe from this administration's assaults.

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The Trump administration's malice toward immigrants isn't only evident in harsh deportation and other enforcement policies. You

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can also see it in the White House's acts of gratuitous pettiness. Case in point: the recent declaration that it plans to revoke the work authorization of spouses of foreign techies on H-1B visas.

Unlike almost every other visa category, spouses of H-1Bs, 90 percent of whom are women, receive H-4 visas that allow them to live in the country but, until recently, not work or start a business. Spouses of diplomats, investors on E visas, and intra-company transfers on L visas have never faced such restrictions.

This didn't make any sense. But it didn't matter all that much when transitioning from H-1Bs to green cards took only a couple of years. But in the last decade, average wait times have ballooned to six years. And for tech workers from China and India, wait times are now approaching two decades. This means that Chinese and Indian H-1B spouses are effectively frozen out of the U.S. labor market during their most productive years. Currently, about 1.5 million H-1B families are stuck in green card limbo land.

Former President Barack Obama partially fixed this perverse situation in the waning hours of his tenure, and handed work authorization to about 125,000 of these spouses if their husbands had jumped through all the bureaucratic hoops (like obtaining a labor certification from the feds attesting that there were no qualified American to do what they do) and filed a completed green card application. This brought U.S. practice somewhat in line with other industrialized countries such as Canada and Australia, which hand instant work authorization to spouses in order to attract high-tech talent.

But a group called Save Jobs USA, represented by lawyers from the nativist Center for Immigration Studies, sued the Obama administration, claiming that its reprieve to these spouses meant that for every one H-1B visa, America would now "import" two foreign workers—as if "importing" unproductive people were somehow economically preferable. A federal judge threw out the lawsuit, noting that the plaintiffs had failed to offer any convincing evidence of "irreparable harm"—which is not surprising given that these spouses make up a mere 0.001 of the total American workforce. Indeed, even if one accepts the false zero-sum economic math of nativists, in which every job gain by a foreigner means a job loss by an American, automation "destroys" more jobs in two months than all the H-4 spouses who have ever received work authorization.

The nativist group appealed and, instead of defending the rule in court, the Trump administration requested one delay after another until the court put its foot down and gave the administration until Jan. 2 to file its brief. But a couple of weeks ago the administration declared that to advance this president's protectionist "Buy American, Hire American" policies, it plans to rescind the rule. It is unclear whether it will do so retroactively and take away the work authorization of spouses who already have it, let it lapse, or just stop handing new authorization to future H-4s.

Regardless, this is a tragedy for women for whom jobs mean not only income and independence, but also a ticket out of loneliness and social isolation. They often have few friends or family in their new country and jobs are a way to enter mainstream society and assimilate. Incidentally, it is curious that the very restrictionists who relentlessly attack immigrants for not assimilating are also the ones most aggressively fighting to take away the most effective tool immigrants have for assimilation: jobs.

Many H-4 wives try to overcome their boredom by having children, which is why in techie circles H-4 visas are darkly referred to as "involuntary housewife" visas. But raising a family on a single income, especially in high-cost IT hubs like Silicon Valley where foreign tech workers tend to cluster, isn't easy, especially when they have obligations back home.

But the economic downside to America is also tremendous. Highly qualified professionals tend to marry similarly qualified mates. Many of them abandon successful careers back home to come to this "land of opportunity." Confining them to a life of household drudgery means squandering the most precious resource: human talent. Indeed, what has made America great is its particular genius in ferreting out this resource even among the "huddled masses" that have washed up on our shores. Forcing highly talented and ambitious spouses to sit at home instead of making economic contributions, especially when high-tech sectors are facing an exceedingly tight labor market with jobs waiting months to fill, makes zero economic sense.

So why is President Trump dong this?

It's simple. Trump's attack on foreign spouses is part of a general strategy to score political points with his nativist base by making life as miserable as possible for as many immigrants as possible. Indeed, in addition to going after spouses of H-1Bs, Trump has launched a war on H-1Bs themselves, despite these visas enjoying near sacrosanct status in pre-Trump conservative circles. For example, renewing their visas used to be a routine matter. Now, the administration has declared it will subject workers to the same onerous scrutiny as when they first applied in a naked bid to raise the compliance costs for companies that hire H-1Bs. So much for regulatory relief!

Immigrants will pay a price for Trump's wrong-headed views for sure. But so will the rest of the country.

This column originally appeared in The Week.

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  1. A “moderate Trump supporter” relative of mine is willing to compromise: treat the employment status of spouses of H1-B workers the same as the country where the H1-B worker is from treats the spouses of American workers in that country. “Cut off noses, etc” but still more reasonable than blanket prohibition of employment.

    1. That’s not a “compromise”. That’s your “moderate” friend trying to be cute.

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      1. When you realize that you didn’t leave them behind on YouTube.

    3. H-1B’s are supposed to be “temporary” visas for jobs for which no American is “available” and “willing”.

      I think we should hold to that standard.

      If I work as a contractor, the IRS considers my relocation “permanent” after one year. It doesn’t matter if I temporarily leave and return – the aggregate of one year is the defining line between “temporary” and “permanent”. I say apply the same standard to H-1Bs. No H-1B visa may be issued for more than one year, nor may any H-1B visa be renewed.

      Also, to ensure there are no “available” and “willing” Americans, require ALL positions be listed for 90 days on a single website where any citizen can view and apply and be interviewed for vacancies before any H-1B can be hired. Each and every requirement for the job must be listed – with the rationale for the requirement. An employer must not be able to require a skill without justification – nor allowed to hire any H-1B who cannot demonstrate all required skills – if only to prevent cheating. Any employers caught cheating the program – even once – would lose ALL of their H-1B visas for the next five years.

      Finally, since the employer is essentially making the case that no American is available to do the job, it is important that an American be TRAINED to do the job as expediently as possible. (cont…)

      1. …To that end, the number of H-1B visas should be strictly limited to 40,000 per year and obtained by competitive blind bids by all the companies seeking H-1B visas. Money from the bidding would then be used to ensure Americans gain those missing skills – perhaps by having an American worker “shadow” the H-1B (just as H-1Bs have “shadowed” American employees forced to train their H-1B replacements at Siemans, Cal Edison, Disney and other companies that have abused the program).

        Under no circumstances should any H-1B visa holder be allowed to apply for citizenship or green card status. Their role is that of temporary worker – not stealth immigrant.

        That would address most of my concerns regarding the importing of outsourcing using the H-1B program.

        Note: Shikah is up to her usual deceptive practices in citing H-1B spouses as a percentage of the “total” workforce when it’s well-known that H-1Bs target primarily the technical work force. In that context, H-1B visa holders may be as much as 25% of the workforce – blocking out hundreds of thousands of American STEM graduates each year and sabotaging any reason for Americans to study STEM subjects in the future.

        Get this Shikah: The H-1B program is expressly NOT an immigration program. There is not issue of “assimilation” because the visa is temporary.

        Better yet, scrap the H-1B program. Today. Now.

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  2. I got as far as “gratuitous pettiness.”

    Then my Hypocritician called me and sang:

    “Hey now, hey now
    Don’t dream it’s over
    Hey now, hey now
    When the world comes in
    They come, they come
    To build a wall between us
    We know they won’t win”

    1. I read “Reason Staff” and ‘anti-immigration jihad’ and didn’t need to read any further.

    2. I was listening to Wilkow this morning. He was interviewing a contractor who was detailing how inexspenviely a multimstaged wall can be built. Doesn’t sound like it would take much more than congress already allocated in 2006. And it would actually be government spending on something that is within the federal government’s constitutional responsibilities.

  3. How the fuck did our country survive before late in Obama’s last term when Super productive wives of foreign workers put down their muffin pans and shit-diapered runts and jump-started this industrial behemoth known as the US of A?

    1. A lot of wives or husbands of work visa holders work, Tom. They are productive. They contribute. You, YOU are NO ONE to second-guess the employers who are willing to employ the. It ain’t your money – it’s THEIR money, you Communist.

      1. I don’t give a fuck who works or doesn’t. My comment was about Dalmia’s hyperbole.

          1. Brilliant.

        1. So you admit you are a communist, Tom?

          1. If’n you mean he communes with the rest of us, then hell yeah Tom’s a dirty commie.

          2. Re: Chipper Morning Baculuim,

            So you admit you are a communist, Tom?

            Anybody who suggests that jobs are a communal concern to the point where private property owners cannot make their own decisions, IS a Commie, C.

            Jobs belong to employers. Not to the employees. Shikha is nor merely employing “hyperbole” when the underlying thinking that justifies these anti-immigrant moves is collectivism.

            1. Good, so you’re on board with getting rid of all American labor protections and lowering the wages of American’s across the board to get to your goal of open immigration then.

              Now you just have to convince all of America that they need to take a pay hit of half their income or more in order to save all those brown hoards who have the only legitimate right to work in these United States.

              /sarc

              But no, seriously, you will need to explain to Americans that they are paid too much. Good luck convincing just the left that the minimum wage should actually be legally set at zero, let alone killing Medicaid. We’ve had so much luck in that arena as Libertarian’s thus far, after all. It turns out the key to turn that lock is sad faced middle-class immigrant wives?

              1. Re: BYODB,

                Good, so you’re on board with getting rid of all American labor protections and lowering the wages of American’s across the board to get to your goal of open immigration then.

                That idea that “wages are reduced” because of immigration is the same kind of faulty logic that would make you say that adding midgets to a room full of tall people reduces the average height of the people in the room.

                That error in thinking is called the “Labor Lumping Fallacy” which is to categorize all labor as a single commodity, equally affected by single inputs.

                I don’t know what you mean by “labor protections”. If you want to argue that the only thing stopping employers from treating employees like slaves is government, then go ahead and say so directly, like a man.

                you will need to explain to Americans that they are paid too much.

                They’re nor being paid “too much”. Some are being paid too much for a job for which they’re less productive than if they were doing other jobs that are available. It’s called Comparative Advantage.

                Taking the case of the IT people that were supposedly let go by Disney. Isn’t it the case that these IT folks could be more productive doing better IT projects for start-ups and other companies? Many times people hold on to jobs they’re not as well suited for because of fear, but fear is NOT JUSTIFICATION to impose economically ignorant rules.


                1. That idea that “wages are reduced” because of immigration is the same kind of faulty logic that would make you say that adding midgets to a room full of tall people reduces the average height of the people in the room.

                  So you don’t understand math, then? No offense, but it does lower the average height. I’m not saying this one way or the other in terms of immigration or economics, but this is a factually true statement in mathematics. So either your analogy is garbage, or you’re wrong.

                  If you want to narrow the criteria to a job-by-job comparison, do so. I’m not ‘lumping’ all labor into one category and the government is the one setting price floors dumbass.


                  1. Many times people hold on to jobs they’re not as well suited for because of fear, but fear is NOT JUSTIFICATION to impose economically ignorant rules.

                    And your feelings are not a proper justification for opening the doors of immigration wide with an expansive social safety net, either. Get that through your thick skull.

            2. Jobs belong to employers. Not to the employees.

              Jobs belong to employers, but visas are handed out by the country as a whole. I’m in favor of us handing out half a million or a million more immigration visas through the Diversity Visa Lottery each year and opening the program to people from all countries. That way, we get more immigration without the social engineering.

              I’m less enthusiastic about work visas for specific industries, although I’ll put up with them on humanitarian grounds. The visas amount to subsidies given to specific industries that the companies in those industries hand out like a work benefit.

              Moving to a lower cost state, outsourcing and paying more for workers already in America are options for companies that don’t find the workers they want in the USA. Oppressive policies make housing unaffordable in San Francisco, according to today’s Reason post. Tech companies could move to Kentucky where the cost of living is less to make their job offers more attractive to workers.

              Tech companies could also pay programmers more. Check out these the top CEO compensations. The CEO of IBM got over $96 million, the CEO of Tesla got over $99 million, the CEO of Google got over $106 million, and the CEO of Apple got over $150 million.

      2. Actually, it’s a bullshit way to piggyback spouses on to those much abused VISAs to pump up their numbers of artificially low cost scab labor. But as an obsessive open borders nut, you don’t care.

      3. And, unless they have their own visas or green cards, they should be deported for breaking the law.
        You are correct that we should not second-guess the employer’s willingness to hire the wife as well – if that is true, if both husband and wife have talents that the company requesting the H1B visa can use, the company can make the case to bring BOTH in on their own H1B visas. Otherwise, guess what? They have broken the rules of their visas, are therefore illegal immigrants, and should be deported.

        I had an L1B visa, my family members could not work, and after a couple of years, we applied for and got green cards, then they could work.

        Again, it is not about whether these spouses can hold productive jobs, it is about whether their contract with the US government (terms of their visa) permits them to do so – you know, the law.

        After a narrow escape in Venezuela 25 years ago (and the Canadians aren’t much friendlier), I know very well the danger of visitors or tourists giving the authorities the impression that they might have been “working” for a local company. Never mind actual impropriety, even the appearance of it can land you in jail most other places – why should the USA be any different?

      4. It’s MY Country, so I say, “Go be productive in your OWN Country and leave mine alone!”

  4. You’re supposed to steal these lovely foreign wives and get them pregnant. But Shikha’s not that hot. She’ll turn the world upside down to fix that. Shikha hates Melania. Perhaps a more careful reading would temper my opinion of this article, but I doubt it.

    1. Shikha is a lovely woman. And I enjoy her articles.

      1. Wow. That’s quite possibly the most sarcastic comment I’ve read on Reason to date. Congratulations on setting a new record.

        But seriously, who but a criminal alien seeking to undermine America could possibly see anything remotely “lovely” about Shikha? Her main function appears to be to convince new readers that Reason is run by anti-American globalists.

  5. But a group called Save Jobs USA, represented by lawyers from the nativist Center for Immigration Studies

    Nativists? If only. The CIS is a purveyor of massaged data (aka propaganda) which is debunked the moment is printed (because their methodology is ridiculous) yet keep being quoted by many a Trumpista on Fox News and on many “conservative” news outlets on line, without even a modicum of interest in the validity of the data they spew. Their methods are no better than those used by leftist organizations whose numbers are also debunked fairly quickly.

    1. Save US Jobs is no different than Save US Automobiles, or Save US iPhone Factories. Economic illiteracy.

      1. Or Save US Buggy Whips. Same thing.

      2. Save US Jobs is no different than Save US Automobiles, or Save US iPhone Factories. Economic illiteracy.

        At the same time, “Clean up your corruption* and let our companies do business on your shores or keep your own immigrants/ideologues to yourself.” isn’t exactly an unreasonable, unfair, or even really unlibertarian stance. I mean, they aren’t going to let us ship are waste plastic why should we continue to accept waste useful idiots**?

        *Even within a country, as a libertarian, you wouldn’t reasonably enact anti-corruption measures equally in places where there was less/no corruption.

        **Again not to say that all immigrants are useful idiots or that it’s exceedingly libertarian to require purity tests but if you don’t want garbage, you’re going to have to turn away everything coming to your shores or come up with a way to identify garbage selectively.

        1. ship our waste plastic, dammit

  6. It’s unfortunate that the President is so unilaterally powerful that he can do things like this. I’ve heard that once upon a time things were different.

    1. Yes, they were. A president was impeached for not wanting to enforce a law he saw as unjust and mean-spirited. And I’m not talking about Bill.

      What happened was that authoritarian assholes accepted all sorts of impositions as long as “their boy” was on the seat. That includes Obama-bots and Trumpistas.

      1. Wait–did you just defend Johnson? The president impeached because he thought Reconstruction was too “unjust and mean-spirited” to former slaveholders and Confederates?

  7. Dalmia is on her pet issue again. Watch out for flying hyperbole and invectives.

    1. And bullshit. Mostly bullshit.

  8. Highly qualified professionals tend to marry similarly qualified mates. Many of them abandon successful careers back home to come to this “land of opportunity.”

    I’m not an H1B holder but it is true what you say. My wife left a good job as a bilingual teacher back home to accompany me here since 2006. She’s also a college graduate with experience as an exec administrator. In order for her to work here we have to file for a work permit because my visa does not provide this automatically. If this mean-spirited rule by the p…y-grabber-in-chief affects everyone then it will be a big problem for us as our kids have grown enough not to need their mom at home. This is very detrimental for the economy, despite what the economically illiterate Trumpistas think. More labor means more growth, not less. And NO, the pie ain’t fixed.

    1. And before y’all Trumpistas start saying “well, you sir are insulting us!”, this name: “Save Jobs USA” reeks of economic illiteracy. Jobs are not “saved”. A job is just a means to an end and not the end itself.

    2. Labor and services are special economic inputs that are impervious price/demand curves. Got it, professor.

      1. Re: widget,

        Spoken like a true ignorant.

        Labor is not impervious to supply and demand cueves but you quickly forget that the value of labor is in its productivity (the means) and not in satisfying a need to consume (the end) which is not the case with television sets, mowing lawns or bananas. It’s not different than Capital: the MORE Capital there is, the less COSTLY it will be to access it but that doesn’t mean it is better to have LESS capital. Same with labor: the MORE labor there is, the EASIER it is to access, which means it is NOT better to have LESS.

        Read an economics book for a gawd-damned change. You look like a fool.

        1. Old Mexifry, your understanding of economics is almost as laughable as you are. You are an economically illiterate troll. A punch line to a bad joke.

        2. “… the MORE labor there is, the EASIER it is to access, which means it is NOT better to have LESS.”

          Amen, Old Mexican! Simple common sense!

          If LESS labor is BETTER, then let’s just have Government Almighty prohibit EVERYONE (except for Trump and his family and friends, presumably) from having jobs!!!

      2. I am an ignoramus, not an ignorant.

        1. Spoken like an economically ignorant person, then.

          1. You’d be more convincing if you could distinguish an adjective from a verb. I don’t have a horse in the race, FWIW. What’s it like to be a Paul Krugman or a Max Boot? Smart in theory and wildly wrong in practice.

            1. Re: widget,

              You’d be more convincing if you could distinguish an adjective from a verb.

              Yeah. You saved the day, Captain Grammar.

              Smart in theory and wildly wrong in practice.

              You know that Max and Paul made predictions that were grossly wrong. I’m not doing predictions. I’m pointing out the economic fallacies behind the “more midgets make people less tall!” mentality.


              1. I’m pointing out the economic fallacies behind the “more midgets make people less tall!” mentality.

                Except that it does lower the average height. That is how math works.

                1. Re: BYODB,

                  Except that it does lower the average height. That is how math works.

                  I see. And then people became shorter…. Because that’s how “math works”.

                  So, let’s see: You’re economically ignorant and you have a very casual knowledge of how math works.

                  Conclusion: Trumpista!

                  1. …so no, you do not understand math. I’m sorry that your analogy is shit, but that isn’t my fault.

                    Riddle me this, is the average of something is going down does this or does this not mean that the individual data points are also trending downwards? Do you honestly not understand such a basic mathematics concept?

                    1. You stole that Central Limit Theorem from the French, who were notoriously nativist against midgets!

                  2. Holy shit your analogies are idiotic.

                    1. That was intended for Old Douchebag.

                  3. I see. And then people became shorter…. Because that’s how “math works”.

                    So, let’s see: You’re economically ignorant and you have a very casual knowledge of how math works.

                    Conclusion: Trumpista!

                    I like your analogy OM, because it is actually spot on, you’re just on the wrong side of it. In reality, if we have a room with 100 people with an average height of 6′ and we introduce 50 midgets 4’10” average height, we lower the average height and median height, and the mode. (Average is now ~5’7″)

                    If these people interbreed, the children of any normal people coupling with the dwarfs will have a 50% chance of being dwarfs. The result will be an even larger average reduction in height in a generation.

                    1. Similarly, if we allow immigrants to live among us and compete for resources we see an average decline in intelligence, an average increase in cost of housing, and an average decrease in real wages compared to what things would have been without the immigrants.

    3. ” then it will be a big problem for us as our kids have grown enough not to need their mom at home. This is very detrimental for the economy,”

      Mostly your economy. The US economy, not much.

      1. Re: Tom Bombadil,

        Mostly your economy. The US economy, not much.

        Not merely my economy. THE economy. There are thousands of businesses who depend on those workers to keep their customers satisfied. You merely wish they didn’t exist.

        1. And this all started in 2016 with Obama. LIke I asked in my very first comment, what did we ever do before?

          1. Re: Tom Bombadil,

            And this all started in 2016 with Obama. LIke I asked in my very first comment, what did we ever do before?

            Work permits for visa holders were being provided since a long time. That already existed. It’s Trump and his merry band of economically illiterate nativists who want to stop the wives or husbands of visa holders to get jobs that belong to “Americans.”

            1. Rule by executive fiat, and die by executive fiat.

              Dalmia’s engaging in some hilarity here since Obama promised a whole host of things to immigrants that are now exploding in their face since legal routes were not taken by his administration.

              Oops. Foreseeable consequences are not unintended consequences?

              1. Re: BYODB,

                Rule by executive fiat, and die by executive fiat.

                Perhaps but that doesn’t give you justification to say both decisions are equally good or equally bad. That’s not rational.

                1. They are equally bad from a rule of law standpoint. In fact, I’d say Obama was worse since he actively circumvented the law which is what literally empowered Trump. So it’s hard to take people seriously when they cheered Obama on when that is quite literally what caused the current mess. Those are the people I’m talking about. They wanted a king, well they got one.

                2. Justification? You build the worst straw men I’ve ever seen at an alarming rate. So much poor thinking based on obsession rather than true logical analysis.

                  Everyone knows our are a zealot. No one takes your bad arguments seriously. All you do is embolden the rest of us to oppose shitbag, such as yourself, ino order to beat the smug out of your dumb ass.

            2. From the article:

              “Unlike almost every other visa category, spouses of H-1Bs, 90 percent of whom are women, receive H-4 visas that allow them to live in the country but, until recently, not work or start a business.”

              “Former President Barack Obama partially fixed this perverse situation in the waning hours of his tenure, and handed work authorization to about 125,000 of these spouses if their husbands had jumped through all the bureaucratic hoops”

              You are conflating Work Visa holders and the spouses of Work Visa Holders and the result is you’re confusing the issue.

              Allowing spouses of H-1B’s to work is a very new thing. (According to Dalmia). You are positing that the US economy is in dire need of these spouses. I am positing that you are overstating their importance, except in your personal case, where your wife’s working is important to your personal economy. Perhaps you are too married to this issue to think clearly.


              1. Perhaps you are too married to this issue to think clearly.

                Zing!

              2. Re: Tom Bombadil,

                You are conflating Work Visa holders and the spouses of Work Visa Holders and the result is you’re confusing the issue.

                I’m not conflating anything nor am I confused by the issue. There are several types of work visas, not just H1B. If the Obama administration issued a decision to allow the spouses of H1B visa holders to apply for a work permit, it was done in the spirit of making the policy consistent with other visa programs, that’s all.

                I am positing that you are overstating their importance, except in your personal case

                My personal case is one of MANY cases, Tom. If the numbers are correct, the labor situation for 125 THOUSAND people, at least, are at stake. That’s a lot of people. If you think the loss of that pool of labor doesn’t have economic ramifications, you’re braver than I thought.


                1. If you think the loss of that pool of labor doesn’t have economic ramifications, you’re braver than I thought.

                  I think it’s a question of if it’s a ‘large’ or ‘negligible’ economic effect question. Purposefully getting the other sides arguments wrong isn’t a sign of a strong argument yourself, sir.

                2. Dalmia says it represents 0.001 of the workforce. I’ll let you give it a significance rating.

    4. Imported immigrant labor drives down wages for a whole host of reasons, and this should have been taught to you in your very first economics class when they were showing you how to plot a supply & demand graph.

      1. But don’t you understand that it’s the same as people’s height?

        /end sarc

        1. If you tried to use the concept he’s pushing in wages / labor than equilibrium price wouldn’t exist since tons of people offering their labor at below market wages wouldn’t have any effect on the people who work at higher wages for the same job.

          In other words, bullshit.

    5. I don’t care about “the pie ain’t fixed.” I believe in growing the pie, but what exactly is wrong with your wife getting a work permit or her own visa? OR, if you are a valuable talent, have your company sponsor you for a green card, and then your wife and children can work any time they want.

      No matter how desirable you may think it to employ wives and children of temporary immigrants (visa holders), that isn’t how the law is written, and you can be deported for breaking it. If the family wants to stay long term, get green cards or citizenship.

    6. Tell your wife to go home. We do not need her here.

      For that matter, we don’t need you either.

      I hope Trump mangles the H-1B program to the point where NO visas are issued.

    1. What else? Because some special insight on economic theory no one else on this very planet knows, it ain’t.

      1. You know those aren’t the only two choices.

        1. Political expediency, then. Born from MALICE, because “brown people” who “takum er jebz!”. How about that?

          1. I didn’t really want to litigate semantics, but I will. Malice would suggest spite or vengeance, whereas that’s not evident to me. It’s more likely the run-of-the-mill political expediency of creating a villain from which to save the electorate. That’s about getting votes (or popularity). The choice of villains is incidental.

          2. Illegal brown people who “takum er jebz” mostly disadvantage other brown people who did the right thing and got green cards or citizenship. Get of your high horse or we’ll pick you out at the next La Raza rally and report you to ICE.

            It’s not malice to follow the law, and it’s not wise to break the law.

  9. If H-1B visas used to be sacrosanct, then that was before things like Disney laying off their IT staff and making tbem train immigrant replacements. There is evidence that the H-1B program is being abused not to fill a legitimste shortfall in the supply of American workers in tech fields, but to artificially drive down the cost of labor.

    1. Re: Mickey Rat,

      If H-1B visas used to be sacrosanct, then that was before things like Disney laying off their IT staff and making tbem train immigrant replacements.

      Hey, Communist: it’s Disney’s money. Not yours. Not those people who were, presumably, replaced.

      Jobs belong to EMPLOYERS. That means: NOT you.

      Trumpistas are showing their true colors. I always had the suspicion they were closeted dirty Commies and they proved me right.

      1. My point was that Dalmia acts as if there were nothing that had happened to sour public opinion on the H-1B program. That program is justified as a special dispensation for a shortage of American workers, not to replace Americans with cheap foreigners. Voters do not like being led down the garden path.

        1. That sort of thing is how you inspire a populist revolt that gets you a Trump.

        2. Re: Mickey Rat,

          My point was that Dalmia acts as if there were nothing that had happened to sour public opinion on the H-1B program.

          Sure, but so what? Argumentum ad Populum is not a valid argument. That’ the point. One, you nor the American public know the particulars of that case and two, that’s only ONE company. Why would the spirit of a program die on the actions of a single company or its popularity? You can bet that, at one time, interracial marriage wasn’t very popular.

          That program is justified as a special dispensation for a shortage of American workers

          Perhaps that’s how the government sells it. Besides, every sponsor that applies must show that a bona fide effort was made to find and hire an American qualified to do the job, so it is not like DHS just issues visas like there’s no tomorrow. That’s not how the process works.

          Nevertheless, I find it disturbing that people would rationalize these events based on the notion that jobs belong to the tribe. That’s Socialism. Jobs belong to the employer and employers have every right to hire whoever strikes their fancy.

          1. Argumentum de Populum is perfectly valid when one is discussing the popular perception of a program and its effects on the politics surrounding that program, which was really the only point I was making.

            Trying to make open borders a legal reality by deceiving the public is going to have bad effects when the public twigs onto the scheme.

          2. You use the word socialism, but you don’t appear to know what it means.

            1. The “notion that jobs belong to the tribe” is exactly socialism. Socialism is government ownership of the means of production (aka: jobs.) If the collective/tribe/government owns the jobs, that’s socialism in its most basic sense.

              Where he’s wrong is when he says “Jobs belong to the employer and employers have every right to hire whoever strikes their fancy.” The government controls the borders and the government maintains limits on who is employable. You can’t hire people who can’t cross the border to do the job and you (generally) cannot hire children, by example.

              Full disclosure: I’ve hired H1-B visa workers in the past. I would again, should the need and opportunity present themselves, and I see no issue with letting the spouses of H1-B visa holders work as well.

      2. Okay Tony.

        Seriously, just because someone doesn’t agree with you about open borders or immigration doesn’t mean they are Trump supporters. You’re better than that.

        1. As a side note, “open borders” is a strawman. There might be that one guy somewhere who actually thinks truly open borders are fine, but generally, the vast majority of Americans don’t want that.

          When I see someone using “open borders” in a non-ironic way, I’m immediately skeptical that they have anything of value to add to the conversation.

    2. I worked for Disney in IT. Local resident employees at regional salary levels is the norm.

    3. The market will sort out Disney. Karma bites, and as a long time tech troubleshooter for multiple companies, I can attest that Disney runs a Mickey Mouse organization. They frequently need to be rescued from their own stupidity.

  10. this does make sense since thats how most other countries do it as well, to visiting American workers. Doesn’t make it right but if thats how they want to play the game

  11. They should be required to work or, if they can’t find work, do anything else that makes them get out and meet people.

    Or you get nasty issues with inadequately raised second generation.

  12. Forcing highly talented and ambitious spouses to sit at home instead of making economic contributions, especially when high-tech sectors are facing an exceedingly tight labor market with jobs waiting months to fill, makes zero economic sense.

    Well, if Trumpistas and nativists had their way, they would want Americans to take jobs as strawberry pickers if only farmers weren’t too greedy.

    Oh, I’m being serious! That’s exactly what Tucker Carlson implied yesterday in his show when he was having a discussion with a representative from the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce. Wouldn’t that make the labor situation even tighter?

    I was flabbergasted after watching that segment. Trumpistas are going insane.

    What I find surprising is this zeal from Trumpistas for having American citizens do menial jobs just to keep the brown people away. Now, that’s progress for ya!

    1. I would rather have American citizens do menial jobs than have to pay for them to be on the dole.

      1. Re: Rhywun,

        I would rather have American citizens do menial jobs than have to pay for them to be on the dole.

        You can easily make a case against giving welfare to people, but you’re missing the point: Nativists are arguing not for a “rather” but for a “must”. They WANT Americans to pick up strawberries instead of wanting, oh I don’t know, Americans to do space exploration, or improve A.I. or tinkering in their garages for the next best thing in industry. Do you understand the kind of mentality that is driving that wish?

        1. They WANT Americans to pick up strawberries instead of wanting, oh I don’t know, Americans to do space exploration, or improve A.I. or tinkering in their garages for the next best thing in industry.

          I don’t know of anybody who thinks this way except the nativists in your head. The only reason Americans aren’t doing those jobs is because the left has successfully implemented a system the allows such people to sit at home and do nothing instead.

          1. Re: Rhywun,

            I don’t know of anybody who thinks this way except the nativists in your head.

            They’re not “in my head” you mendacious nut. I just told you that Tucker Carlson suggested it last night on his show.

            1. Well, given that I don’t have access to Tucker Carlson, it may as well be in your head 🙂

              If Tucker Carlson actually said he prefers that Americans pick strawberries over doing space exploration, then I’ll agree that that is odd.


          2. The only reason Americans aren’t doing those jobs is because the left has successfully implemented a system the allows such people to sit at home and do nothing instead.

            This. That and they have priced American labor out of that type of work given that there is a price floor. The price floor for immigrant labor is much lower, even while there’s a ‘punishment’ for those who engage in hiring them. Fortunately for them, those laws appear to be relatively simple to evade. (And I don’t have much of a problem with those laws being easy to evade, either.)

            1. those laws appear to be relatively simple to evade

              I don’t see anything changing despite all the attention this issue is getting. If these laws were actually strictly enforced and without ending the welfare state as we know it, Americans would go apes–t at the price increases in produce, yardwork, et al.

              1. Definitely. It’s simply a true statement to point out that America is addicted to low priced immigrant and foreign labor. Friedman talked about this, in fact.

                1. Re: BYODB,

                  Definitely. It’s simply a true statement to point out that America is addicted to low priced immigrant and foreign labor.

                  An absurd statement, full of innuendo. It’s like saying we’re “addicted” to cheap computers by pointing out to the fact that the price per computing unit has dropped since the 1970s.

                  Low-priced immigrant labor is simply LABOR that can be more productive doing certain tasks that Americans no longer have to do, freeing the more productive American labor for more productive and thus more profitable endeavors. It’s called the Law Of Comparative Advantage, as unbreakable as the Law of Gravity.

                  If foreigners do X, that frees Americans to do Y or Z, since X is already being taken care of. Why would you think this is a bad thing must be the result of politics or the basest of feelings, but not Economics.

                  1. We are addicted to illegal immigrant labor and foreign labor precisely because of their comparative advantage in labor, environmental regulations, and other regulatory overhead that exist to protect American labor and artificially drive up their wages, and if you don’t know this than I really have nothing more to say to you since it would be clear you know nothing whatsoever about reality.

                    Once someone becomes a legal resident, that ‘comparative advantage’ you talk about literally evaporates. Duh.

              2. Re: Rhywun,

                I don’t see anything changing despite all the attention this issue is getting.

                Why would you think this is justification enough to stop arguing for more open immigration, especially when it will stop or reduce the size of that black market?

                I just want to know. What makes YOU think that no one should argue for more open immigration if it means less people working in the shadows? That can’t be a good thing, or can it?

                1. Except you don’t argue for ‘more’ immigration OMS, you argue for unlimited immigration. There is a difference.

  13. “So why is President Trump dong this?”

    He SCHLONGS them Shikha, he doesn’t DONG them. Get it right, god

  14. Solution: Allow less than minimum wage for spouses of legal H1B residents, to replace all the college grads laid off due to minimum wage hikes.

  15. I dislike Trump’s nativist BS, but why does the executive get to decide whether or not a person holding a visa gets to work or not? It just creates instability regardless of the president.

    1. Re: Len Bias,

      I dislike Trump’s nativist BS, but why does the executive get to decide whether or not a person holding a visa gets to work or not?

      Mostly because of Congress’ dereliction of duty, passing almost all responsibilities and decision-making to the executive. This is why we had prince Obama and now mad king Donald the Foist.

      1. This is the first thing you said that isn’t horseshit.

    2. I do like Trump’s nativist policies. But I agree that letting the executive branch have that much power is a bad way of doing business.

  16. This brought U.S. practice somewhat in line with other industrialized countries such as Canada and Australia, which hand instant work authorization to spouses in order to attract high-tech talent.

    Fuck off Shikha. If you like the ethnic diversity and cultural inclusivity of Canada or Australia, go live there. Otherwise, this continued cherry-picking of policies you like from countries who’s cultures and immigration practices you despise continues to make you look like an idiot.

    1. I like ethnic diversity. When I go out with friends, everyone is usually from a different country. It makes things fun and interesting.

      1. I like ethnic diversity. When I go out with friends, everyone is usually from a different country. It makes things fun and interesting.

        I suppose I needed a ‘/sarc’ tag after that sentence. If you think America is predominantly white, nationalist/culturalist hicks, you haven’t traveled to the far reaches of Australia or Canada. Canada is so white the majority of foreigners are from America and Europe. They don’t have an H1-B Visa or ethnic diversity or inclusivity problem the way the US does because the majority of their immigrants are (still!) UK and French born.

        In the teaser article, she called described Trump’s ‘anti-immigrant jihad’ and then cites Australia as a model, which is ironic given that the Manus Island agreement didn’t actually get blown up.

        1. Retard, or liar? You decide.

          1. I just assumed we could follow Shikha’s lead and pick and choose self-identifying and data as we see fit.

            1. self-identifying and/or contemporary data that is.

              1. So when you said “majority of foreigners” you meant “majority of Canadian residents.”

                Seriously, go fuck yourself and die.

                1. So when you said “majority of foreigners” you meant “majority of Canadian residents.”

                  Seriously, go fuck yourself and die.

                  According to your own data, the largest portion of their immigrants by number, relative percentage, and as a percentage of the population are English speakers from the Commonwealth that Canada is still a part of. The combined totals from the US, Germany, Italy, and Poland are on par with the combined totals from India and China.

                  This is, clearly, not the same issue as if Indians suddenly felt overwhelmed by the number of Pakistanis in their midst or if Canadian’s started getting upset because American-Canadians made up 11% of their population and shouldn’t be touted as an apples-to-apples comparison any more than we should equate their healthcare or gun control policies to ours.

        2. Dude, I’ve been to Maine many times. And I lived in Colorado. There are parts of America that are whiter than that powder on Whitney Houston’s nose.

        3. Oh yeah, and I’ve been to Toronto a few times. They have more Indian food there than I’ve seen anywhere in the States. Ever heard of Russell Peters?

          1. First, let me be clear, my biggest beef is that Shikha will routinely bash the US immigration policy saying we should emulate Canada and Australia and then complain about being stopped going into Canada. She will then turn right around and say that Canada’s immigration system is archaic and inhumane. The somewhat critical part of my post is the point that you entirely dodged. Shikha’s describing Trump’s policies as an anti-immigration jihad and citing Australia as a model for immigration when Australia was literally interning refugees, refused to offload them to NZ when they offered, and was more than happy to ship them to the US under Trump’s pro-Nazi, anti-immigration jihad regime.

            1. Re: mad.casual,

              Shikha will routinely bash the US immigration policy saying we should emulate Canada and Australia[…]

              That’s an unfair statement. You’re spinning her point. What she’s saying is that Canada and Australia have a more rational treatment for the spouses of visa holders, not that their immigration systems are better overall. And she is correct: It is more rational to allow the spouse of a visa holder to work and be productive than it is to keep that potential source of labor untapped only because “American Workers(R)” need those “jebz!” and Making America Grating Again.

              1. Her point is to cherry pick whichever part of whatever countries policies support her and discard the rest until it’s useful…she’s a dishonest moron.

          2. Second, I don’t mean to say there is no white nativism in the US. There clearly is. I don’t mean to say that there is no cultural diversity in all of Canada and Australia, that’s just not possible. What I do mean to say is that the overall cultural diversity of Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver, however you want to measure it doesn’t compare to New York, Los Angeles, and Houston. Not that one or the other is better or worse, just that they don’t compare. I’m pretty sure at least 5 places in the states would give Toronto a run for it’s money wrt Indian food but even if I give it to you that Toronto has a fantastic Indian food scene unparalleled in the world. How does that compare to nearly literally *every* 7-11 and Dunkin Donuts in the US being owned and staffed by Indian(-Americans)? You just don’t have entire cities and states in Canada controlled by ethnicities and minorities the way you do in the US. Part of that is a bit structural (identifying as an ethnic group or minority in Canada is different than in the US), part of it is plain fact that Canada isn’t as large and as populous as the US, and part of it is that people like Shikha want to manufacture issues and craft policy or just fling shit (or fling it back).

            1. Wikipedia says over 50% of Toronto is a “visible minority” (that’s a Canadian euphemism for “not white”).

              I will grant you that outside the major cities Canada is whiter than the US – and this is due probably entirely to a lack of Mexicans.

              1. “Wikipedia says over 50% of Toronto is a “visible minority”

                Over 50% is not any kind of minority.

                1. Over 50% is not any kind of minority.

                  My point being, Detroit is 80% black. It’s hardly the only city in the US like this. There is no Detroit (80% black) or Baltimore (65% black) or Miama (70% Latino), Canada. It’s just not an apples-to-apples comparison. Not just because of the relative and absolute numbers but because large swaths of the populations being compared don’t (necessarily) count as immigrants or minorities for different reasons.

                  Pointing at Canada and Toronto’s 50% ‘visible minority’ as somehow better or possibly capable of being emulated for a country with Detroit, Baltimore, and Miami (not to mention New York, LA, and Houston) is just deranged. Especially when one country has disparate notions not just of race but speech and equality under the law from the other. You might as well be suggesting we implement Canada or Australia’s gun control or healthcare practices here (for the sake of diversity!).

  17. But in the last decade, average wait times have ballooned to six years.

    Trump’s fault. Congress’ fault. Boosh’s fault.

    Am I forgetting anyone?

  18. And for tech workers from China and India, wait times are now approaching two decades. This means that Chinese and Indian H-1B spouses are effectively frozen out of the U.S. labor market during their most productive years.

    And by ‘entirely frozen out of the U.S. labor market’ you mean they have to, if they so desire, participate in the U.S. labor market from their home countries. Which would be considerably different from both China and, to a lesser extent, India where Americans are frequently and/or generally barred from participating in the Chinese and Indian markets; either because of regulation, corruption, plain old lack of physical infrastructure, or a combination of the three.

    1. Re: mad.casual,

      And by ‘entirely frozen out of the U.S. labor market’ you mean they have to, if they so desire, participate in the U.S. labor market from their home countries.

      Yes, but that would mean the wives or husbands of visa holders would have to stay in their countries, with children and all. That means: NO economic activity from them in the US, like buying groceries and homes and cars and shit.

      But, hey, Making America Grating Again.

      1. Right, because my point was that between China, America, and India; America is the one with the worst nativist/socialist/protectionist/internal economic interventionist streak.

        China and India can place explicit legal requirements (as well as implicit social requirements) on American employees but Americans who do the same, but to a lesser degree, on this side of the pond are nothing other than unequivocal backwater racist assholes.

        But, hey, as long as you fuck over the local socialists, what do the foreign one’s matter, right? It’s not like you pay attention to silly imaginary lines or anything.


        1. But, hey, as long as you fuck over the local socialists, what do the foreign one’s matter, right? It’s not like you pay attention to silly imaginary lines or anything.

          This is one of the many, many reasons I can’t take OMS seriously. They advocate for only America to throw its doors wide open when factually speaking most of the world is incredibly anti-capitalist and anti-freedom. Those are facts that OMS and Dalmia both must ignore in their diatribes.

          1. Re: BYODB,

            They advocate for only America to throw its doors wide open when factually speaking most of the world is incredibly anti-capitalist and anti-freedom.

            And so they should be emulated.

            Or what exactly are you arguing, B? Have you considered the implications of what you write, at least?

            That’s why I argue on principle ALL THE TIME.

            1. You don’t argue on principle, you’re a sophist.

              How you could possibly conclude that we should become more anti-capitalist or more anti-freedom just because the rest of the world leans that way is pretty dumb. Ironically it would almost certainly reduce immigration here, though.

              1. Why do bother to debate such a snide, disingenuous idiot?

                1. I have nothing better to do since my office is moving to another floor, and because of it I can’t get jack or shit actually done today.

        2. Re: mad.casual,

          my point was that between China, America, and India; America is the one with the worst nativist/socialist/protectionist/internal economic interventionist streak.

          Spare me from your ridiculous comparisons. “I may be a wife-beater but my neighbor is a serial killer! See?”

          China and India can place explicit legal requirements

          So fucking what? What is it to you what China or India does? What matters is the wisdom behind policies implemented by the US government, not China or India or Timbuktu.


          1. So fucking what? What is it to you what China or India does?

            …you’re the one saying that we should import as many people from there as possible, so surely you could see why the question matters. After all, the Chinese and Indian governments are arguably a product of their citizenry in many respects.

            This is what happens when you take the ridiculous position of ‘borders are just imaginary lines on the map’, idiot. People take you at your word that you believe that.

          2. So fucking what? What is it to you what China or India does? What matters is the wisdom behind policies implemented by the US government, not China or India or Timbuktu.

            Are we paying attention to the imaginary lines that divide us from India and China or not? I thought they were imaginary and meaningless. *You’re* pretty clearly using them to delineate stuff that *I* can and cannot care about selectively.

      2. “Yes, but that would mean the wives or husbands of visa holders would have to stay in their countries, with children and all.”

        Read the article. Dalmia says they have their children due to boredom here in America.

        1. Re: Tom Bombadil,

          Many already have children, and that doesn’t mean they suddenly stop being fertile. Where do you get this idea that it’s an “either-or” thing”?

          1. I’m suggesting people don’t have children out of boredom. I’m suggesting less hyperbole would make Dalmia’s argument more compelling.

        2. If at l sat one of them is working, how does that give them excess time to fuck? Once again zeal is proves herself to be an idiot. Maybe she would be clearer headed if she went and got herself a good deep dicking.

      3. Yes, but that would mean the wives or husbands of visa holders would have to stay in their countries, with children and all.

        The horror! How will we survive without them? How did we survive last year when they weren’t here? The doom! Our people won’t ever be able to make it without some Chinese dude bringing his wife and kids here to buy our stuff and still hold loyalty to China before America.

        Fuck off you raving loon. Go back to the garbage backwater you came from. Make your own fucking country not suck instead of demanding I let in garbage people to ruin my nation. And take your backwards family with you when you go.

        1. Fuck off, Tulpa.

          1. Cry harder.

            I’m not an anarchist. Nation states exist and people have a right to form them. Borders exist. The state (and its people) have the authority to determine who comes into said country, and who gets to become citizens. This isn’t some stolen or illegitimate authority, it is a reasonable legitimate authority.

            If these people are so great, why are their countries such utter train wrecks? Why are they so high on the corruption index? Hint, it’s not the magical air in India or Mexico, it’s the people that constitute the body politic.

  19. When your counter-argument is an ad hominem attack, you’ve lost the argument.

    1. Re: Otis B. Driftwood,

      That’s not a fair assessment. Shikha has been writing about immigration policy because of Trump’s nomination and because of the downright hostility this administration has shown towards immigrants but she also wrote about foreign policy matters and economics. I’ve been reading Reason and have been posting in H&R since 2004.

  20. Knew who wrote this just from the headline. One trick pony.

  21. “Highly qualified professionals tend to marry similarly qualified mates. Many of them abandon successful careers back home to come to this “land of opportunity.”

    Who’s holding the gun to their heads?

    1. Re: Dave_c,

      No one is. But they arrive with the knowledge, at least until a few days ago, that they can apply for a work permit and continue making money in the US.

      1. And they arrived 8 years ago with the knowledge that they couldn’t.

        I think it’s stupid, but maybe we should be expecting congress to do it’s goddamn job and not expecting another president with a pen and a phone to save us from ourselves.

        1. A lot of simple problems could be solved if congress did their job. Like the whole Sessions pot thing. It would just take a simple piece of legislation to create a carve out states that legalized it.

          1. What’s a Sessions pot?

    2. Many of them abandon successful careers back home to come to this “land of opportunity.”

      Abandon successful careers back home!

      That should disqualify the idiot.

  22. Dalmia’s Hyperbole:

    “Trump’s Plan to Strip Work Visas from Talented Immigrant Wives Won’t Make America Great Again”
    Talented? Citation?

    “No immigrant of any kind is safe from this administration’s assaults.”

    “which is not surprising given that these spouses make up a mere 0.001 of the total American workforce.”
    And yet the US economy will suffer direly without them?

    “Many H-4 wives try to overcome their boredom by having children,”
    Citation?

    “But the economic downside to America is also tremendous. Highly qualified professionals tend to marry similarly qualified mates.”
    Citation?

    “Many of them abandon successful careers back home to come to this “land of opportunity.”
    Citation? Such successful careers that they uproot and leave their homeland.

    “Confining them to a life of household drudgery”
    Get out of the fucking house. If they had a job, the household drudgery would vanish?

    ” Forcing highly talented and ambitious spouses to sit at home ”
    Citation? Are they highly talented and ambitious? Is house arrest part of the visa requirements?

    1. “Confining them to a life of household drudgery”

      I don’t know why, but I find that condescending as all hell.

      1. Because without a job, they’re confined t the home of course. They couldn’t possibly go out and do things, engage in hobbies, social groups, etc.. nope, they just sit around the house and apparently serially artificially inesminate themselves out of boredom.

        Seriously, why does Reason publish her gibbering drivel? I mean, the open borders position is clear complete shit, but one would think Nick could find someone with strong writing skills and better analytical abilities to peddle it. Dalmia makes me proud to be ‘nativist’. In fact I think my next custom t-shirt will say ‘white, nativist, and proud of it’. In her honor.

        1. they just sit around the house and apparently serially artificially inesminate themselves out of boredom.

          It’s what Shikha would be doing if she didn’t have this sinecure at Reason.

    2. You forgot the part where Dalmia literally just assumes that all H1-B visa holders wives (or husbands, or whatever) are somehow talented without any supporting proof of that whatsoever. I’m sure that some of them are, some of them aren’t, and many of them are in between just like the rest of humanity but she just can’t help herself.

      Nevermind that their wives could apply for their own H1-B visa if this were true. Potentially they should probably get a leg up in the queue based upon the fact their spouse was already approved for one and presuming, of course, that their skills are at all needed in the geographic location their significant other is being imported into.

      To my knowledge an H1-B visa is generally temporary though, so I have no idea what reason one would have to bring your spouse who theoretically has a job in their home country anyway unless the grand intent is permanent residency. Dalmia ignoring that is interesting to me, but not really since she’s an advocate not a journalist.

      1. And you k ow goddamn well if she were writing about white Americans working abroad that her description of the spouses would not be nearly so attractive. Racist anti American cunt that she is.

        1. I’m sure Dalmia is a fine person, I really try to avoid personal attacks even though I fail at it a lot, but I suspect that Dalmia is just one of the resident click-baiters judging by comment count and no doubt thousands of refreshes. It’s just business, I think, and that I can understand.

          1. She is Peter Pan in ReasonLand.

        2. Racist anti American cunt that she is.

          Again, considering she lectured on American’s inattentiveness to anti-immigrant crime by discussing that border crossings into Canada got tougher for her after 9/11 (and that she employs her husband as a talisman against such curses and incantations…) on top of the fact that much/many of her notions of immigration fly in the face of much, if not all of Western History, I think it’s fair to say she’s anti-White or even anti-Western.

  23. Somehow, despite year after year of the highest number of imported laborers under Obama, we didn’t see this massive economic uptick that everyone says immigrants provide. In fact, it was under Trump’s “draconian” policies and his “unprecedented hostility” to immigrants that we have seen real, appreciable increases in economic activity.

    Gets your noggin’ joggin’, doesn’t it?

  24. Trump is a sad excuse for an American. Inherent and inalienable and naturally-sourced Individual rights to life and liberty “trump” his authoritarian, anti-immigrant, anti-liberty, repressive exercise of executive power. He doesn’t understand that the government can’t protect American jobs in a global economy. He can only make us poorer by trying. And he can hurt a lot of very nice, worthwhile people in the process.

    I hope Americans are paying attention and notice that power will always be abused.

    1. His policies–which are now in legislative print–are quite specific. And NOT anti-immigrant. But anti- 1. Illegal 2. Unskilled 3. Mass immigration. If you can’t see these are different categories, that doesn’t make him racist but shows you not knowing what you are talking about. Cutting back on these will hurt the consumers of cheap labor (Rich wives needing nannies while they shop, business owners, etc). Given that 30%+ of the unskilled illegals are on welfare, why should anyone care?

    2. The vitriol and platitudes do nothing to advance anyone’s position. I still believe that if I take personal responsibility and put in my own due diligence I can earn a yacht of my own. That’s nothing strange, it’s how Obama got to be POTUS and wealthy. The historic 4th. estate has been bought out by the Globalist 5th. column marching to Perdition. I am amazed by the numbers of both parties that want to go. Beware of the 5th column, they never sleep.
      Believe this Americans won’t be better off under Globalism. Globalization is a process of interaction and integration among the people, companies, and governments of different nations, a process driven by international agreements and regulation i.e. “Dollar Diplomacy”. Free speech and the free press often called the forth estate have conscripted the surge in grassroots progressive activism to become the fifth column to lead activists to dismantle American sovereignty. Just say no to the Globalization of our precious right of self determination. We are nobody’s colony.

    3. Inherent and inalienable and naturally-sourced Individual rights to life and liberty “trump” his authoritarian, anti-immigrant, anti-liberty, repressive exercise of executive power.

      Something Obama and Hillary unfortunately disregarded.

      Trump admittedly isn’t the greatest standards bearer for these principles, but he’s a heck of a lot better than any of the Democratic candidates or hopefuls.

      He doesn’t understand that the government can’t protect American jobs in a global economy. He can only make us poorer by trying.

      I’m sure wealthy Democratic suburbanites like you are made wealthier, both directly and indirectly, by hiring third world slave labor; that sort of thing has a long tradition.

      I hope Americans are paying attention and notice that power will always be abused.

      They did. That’s why Hillary didn’t get elected, despite having such an unpleasant competitor.

  25. Sorry – I have no sympathy whatsoever for these “poor wives and children.”

    I came here on an L1B visa in 1985, and the conditions were clear: Only I had permission to work; my wife and children did not. The Social Security cards clearly stated “Not Valid For Employment,” too. We knew what we had signed up for, and I’d negotiated a salary sufficient to keep the family comfortably.
    When we decided, a few years later, to stay here long term, we applied for and got green cards (that wasn’t easy, either – my employer had to advertise my job to see if better qualified applicants came along). Then and only then, could my wife, and later, my children, get employment.

    The “talented wives” can either play the visa game themselves and get an offer of employment which carries their very own work visa, or they can wait until the family has acquired green cards or citizenship.

    It’s not supposed to be a giveaway, and the same rules should apply to all, or do you think like the Democrats, where any half qualified IT staffer’s less qualified wife deserves a high paid position at taxpayer expense?

    This garbage is a slap in the face of people who choose to immigrate and integrate the RIGHT way.

  26. So, Shikha,

    Are you the illegally employed wife of an H1B IT worker yourself, or did you earn your own visa, or are you American born, but with sympathies for people who break the rules?

    There’s a simple name for people who break immigration rules: “Illegal Immigrants” and they should be deported. Spouses of H1B’s should not work unless they get their own visa, and/or the family applies for and gets green cards.

    There are rules, and you insult those who played by the rules when you suggest the rules should be broken. The law is the law, and it should be enforced or repealed, not ignored.

    In the same way, allowing Mexicans who did not get visas, work permits, or green cards, to live, work, and draw benefits in the USA cheapens and insults all those to took the trouble to gain legal status. Deport them all, especially those who protest in the streets and advertise themselves (La Raza).

    Did I say no sympathy?

    1. In the Dark Ages in Europe, witches did not play by the rules, simply by being witches! Let us then BURN and HANG all of the illegal humans today, because, just like the witches…. They are not following the RULES!!!!

      “The law is the law, and it should be enforced or repealed, not ignored.”

      Tell that to the Jews in NAZI Germany, pre-civil-war American slaves, the witches of old Europe (and Salem USA), and on and on. Druggies and illegal humans in USA today. MeThinks ye be a law-worshipping slaver!

      1. There’s reason why looking for false reasons to prosecute or lynch someone is called a “witch hunt.”

        Immigration law, however, may be imperfect, but that is reason to lobby for changes, not to brazenly break the law.

        As for places where the law permits slavery, check out Islam.

        Immigration law defines who may come here, and who may work, and how they become permanent or naturalized. There’s no slavery involved. I ran this particular gauntlet myself, and I have no sympathy for people who think that obedience to the law is a personal choice. You can choose to invade the USA, and the USA can choose to deport you. Many of the people described in this article and comments should be deported for breaking the terms of their visas – simple.

      2. Tell that to the Jews in NAZI Germany pre-civil-war American slaves, the witches of old Europe (and Salem USA), and on and on. Druggies and illegal humans in USA today. MeThinks ye be a law-worshipping slaver!

        The holocaust, slavery, witch trials and so on violate basic, universally recognized human rights.

        Enforcing border integrity and deporting people who are in the country illegally doesn’t violate anybody’s human rights.

        Furthermore, in a libertarian world, there would be lots of borders as well, they’d simply be defined and enforced by private entities.

        I’m not sure what you’re trying to argue for, but you stand neither for libertarianism nor human rights.

  27. This makes sense–supporting skilled workers + relatives. Now can Reason address the much larger population: unskilled illegals, who are often illiterate in their own language and are 2-3X more likely to end up on the public welfare dole. No no, always stories about these edge cases of phd’s, immigrant businessmen, etc, not the 800 lb ape of the 30 million no-skilled….. Trump won cause 1. mass unskilled illegal immigration is harmful to the class of people who don’t hire nannies and do their own yard work. 2. He was the only person to address the issue, however imperfectly.

    1. Exactly. We are constantly told by the open borders crowd that skills etc. don’t matter. All contribute! But now we should be concerned because some with skills are subject to deportation.

  28. Seems simple. If the H1b visa recipient doesn’t like the terms of living in the US, he or she can stay the f*** home.

  29. “The three decades . . . from the mid forties to the mid seventies, were the golden age of manual labor.” Why were times so good for blue collar workers? To some extent they were helped by the state of the world economy. They were also helped by a scarcity of labor created by the severe immigration restrictions imposed by the [ Johnson?Reed ] Immigration Act of 1924.” Paul Krugman, Conscience of a Liberal, Chapter 3 (pages 48-49)

    1. The golden age of manual labor When times were so good for blue collar workers is what gave us the envy of the world: a strong and vibrant middle class. The currant establishment corporate Globalist movement sold by MSM’s Madison Avenue divide and conquer strategy to blue collar workers is designed to surrender what is left of our strong and vibrant middle class.

  30. “Most of the analysis of President Donald Trump’s victory has been off the mark. He won in the Electoral College on one issue: immigration.”

    Our current situation could have been avoided more than 20 years ago. A presidential commission chaired by Rep. Barbara Jordan, D-Texas, with an equal number of members of both parties reached a consensus on immigration. Their first several guiding principles hold true today:

    Clear goals and priorities must define U.S. immigration policy.
    Effective policy means enforcement of immigration limits.

    “The commission’s conclusions should be read by every citizen. They included setting a legal immigration level of 550,000 people a year. Instead, we have been averaging over a million legal residents annually for the last 20 years.”

    Quote from Chuck Litweiler, Madison
    http://host.madison.com/wsj/op…..db467.html

  31. President Trump made it clear these wives that do not qualify for a visa are welcome here but not welcome to my job or my wife or daughter’s job. For his kindness in return these same foreign workers wives belittle America, claim to dislike us, our country and our duly elected president. I say due to the numerous complaints about the free service go home and complain or we will end the free service.

  32. I am upset by the purposeful conflation of terms alongside the purposefully prejudicial injection of the word ‘malice’. Let’s put our brains back in place and return to the english language: an immigrant is somebody who comes here with the intention of staying. Everyone else has a different classification. And since when should a work visa birth a secondary visa automatically? Our current problem is that companies have been allowed to abuse the h1B process for permanent staffing – it should be for dealing with short to mid term skilled labor problems. So… does anybody know what a typical green card is good for? Answer: ten years. That’s not short or mid term, but looks more like immigration to me. Backdoor chain migration was never the purpose of temporary work visas, and Shikha Dalmia is likely a closet stooge for the dnc in my estimation. It’s not an attack taking place, but a restoration of h1B’s to their best purpose: something temporary. What the president is doing is ending the practice of virtual offshoring – and isn’t that part and parcel of what he openly campaigned on?
    So we need a line drawn. I suggest any h1B that extends past the 5 year mark should be only in event of serving national security interests, because to go longer is to enter immigration territory.

  33. No immigrant of any kind is safe from this administration’s assaults.

    H-1B visas are explicitly non-immigrant visas.

    And all Trump did was reverse a 2015 Obama directive to grant work permits to some spouses of H-1B visa holders;

    And I’m an immigrant, and I feel perfectly safe from “this administration’s assault.” The “immigrants” who live with uncertainty are “immigrants” on non-immigrant visas and those illegally present in the country. That’s kind of the nature of non-immigrant visas and illegal presence. Don’t blame Trump, blame Obama for making promises that weren’t going to hold up.

  34. The entire premise of this article explains so many problems we have today: She is arguing that for some reason the BENEFIT of the foreigner should come before the benefit of the native.

    On 1000 issues today we worry more about what some foreign government, or foreign people will say about our actions, rather than what is actually the best for our country and our people. Frankly I don’t give a fuck about whether something is nice to a temporary foreign visa holder.

    The H1B thing is 2/3 sham to begin with, but the primary workers are mostly fairly useful people at least, and do free up other smart natives to perhaps pursue some other useful endevour. Random spouses there is little/no evidence they are of anywhere near comparable skills.

    Given that most of these countries, like India, have vastly less educated women than America/Europe I would say there’s a 99% chance most of them are middle skilled to zero skilled anyway… But even if they were skilled, who cares. They’re here temporarily, and pleasing them should NOT be our #1 goal.

  35. My wife has procured a H-1B visa before to work in a restaurant and a clothing store. It really is not hard to get one if you are not a total moron.

  36. what is so hard to understand about ILLEGAL immigrant?

  37. But in the last decade, average wait times have ballooned to six years.

    Can someone post a link to a similar article prior to 2017.

  38. Every year colleges and universities in the U.S. graduate 300,000 tech students. And there is a tight labor market! Bullshit! The reason it takes months to hire some workers is a H R problem. Is it a good idea to hire Chinese hardware and software engineers to build infrastructure and weaponry control systems?

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