Black Lives Matter Students Shut Down the ACLU's Campus Free Speech Event Because 'Liberalism Is White Supremacy'
"The revolution will not uphold the Constitution."

Students affiliated with the Black Lives Matter movement crashed an event at the College of William & Mary, rushed the stage, and prevented the invited guest—the American Civil Liberties Union's Claire Gastañaga, a W & M alum—from speaking.
Ironically, Gastañaga had intended to speak on the subject, "Students and the First Amendment."
The disruption was livestreamed on BLM at W&M's Facebook page. Students took to the stage just a few moments after Gastañaga began her remarks. At first, she attempted to spin the demonstration as a welcome example of the kind of thing she had come to campus to discuss, commenting "Good, I like this," as they lined up and raised their signs. "I'm going to talk to you about knowing your rights, and protests and demonstrations, which this illustrates very well. Then I'm going to respond to questions from the moderators, and then questions from the audience."
It was the last remark she was able to make before protesters drowned her out with cries of, "ACLU, you protect Hitler, too." They also chanted, "the oppressed are not impressed," "shame, shame, shame, shame," (an ode to the Faith Militant's treatment of Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones, though why anyone would want to be associated with the religious fanatics in that particular conflict is beyond me), "blood on your hands," "the revolution will not uphold the Constitution," and, uh, "liberalism is white supremacy."
This went on for nearly 20 minutes. Eventually, according to the campus's Flat Hat News, one of the college's co-organizers of the event handed a microphone to the protest's leader, who delivered a prepared statement. The disruption was apparently payback for the ACLU's principled First Amendment defense of the Charlottesville alt-right's civil liberties.
Organizers then canceled the event; some members of the audience approached the podium in an attempt to speak with Gastañaga, but the protesters would not permit it. They surrounded Gastañaga, raised their voices even louder, and drove everybody else away.
The college released what can only be described as an incredibly tepid statement:
William & Mary has a powerful commitment to the free play of ideas. We have a campus where respectful dialogue, especially in disagreement, is encouraged so that we can listen and learn from views that differ from our own, so that we can freely express our own views, and so that debate can occur. Unfortunately, that type of exchange was unable to take place Wednesday night when an event to discuss a very important matter – the meaning of the First Amendment — could not be held as planned. …
Silencing certain voices in order to advance the cause of others is not acceptable in our community. This stifles debate and prevents those who've come to hear a speaker, our students in particular, from asking questions, often hard questions, and from engaging in debate where the strength of ideas, not the power of shouting, is the currency. William & Mary must be a campus that welcomes difficult conversations, honest debate and civil dialogue.
Absent a promise to identify the perpetrators and make sure this never happens again, the college's statement is meaningless. If officials are just going to stand by while students make it impossible to even have a conversation about free speech on campus, the matter is already settled: there is no free speech at William & Mary.
These students have clearly made up their minds about free speech: they don't want to share it with anyone else—especially Nazis, but also civil liberties lawyers who happen to be experts on the thing they are willfully misunderstanding: the First Amendment. Their ideological position is obviously incoherent—Liberalism is white supremacy? What?—and would not stand up to scrutiny, which is probably why they have decided to make open debate an impossibility on campus. They really shouldn't get away with this.
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Isn't this basically what all of the yokels have been saying for months now?
We prefer deplorable, but flyover bumpkin will do, thank you.
Hell, I'm a coastal elite and I've been saying it.
I can't wait until you sink into the sea. I don't even care that I'm a coastal elite now too.
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life.
This is what I do... http://www.startonlinejob.com
Likewise. I grew up watching the Daily Show.
What cured me of ignorance was learning economics and the history of communism on my own time, since they don't teach that stuff in public school, and all I learned in university was Keynesianism.
I told all you cucks...
I don't understand why the liberal left tolerates these lunatics. Liberals get the bullet too.
They remind me of the communists in the gulags who were shocked that they were there. It's all a big mistake! If only Stalin knew about this!
Useful idiots are useful
They remain, however, idiots.
When the Left eats itself, does it use a bit of hot sauce or pepper to improve the taste?
Wouldn't that be cultural appropriation?
Sadly, we all get consumed at the same time.
Tolerate it? They birthed it and nutured it. And now they've lost control of their monster.
Communists have no right to exist.
and, uh, "liberalism is white supremacy."
Look, if you can't just make up meanings for words, then you don't have free speech anyway. Checkmate, shitlord!
The hostility is what kills us. All of us make up meanings of words, language is defined by use and that varies tremendously over time and individuals. The thing that makes it work, at least according to the Six Functions of Language, is that we are actively trying to communicate with each other, and not attempting to willfully misinterpret what is said. Those last two features are increasingly lost.
Quit virtue signaling to X, snowflake.
A guy with as many misspelled tattoos as BUCS has ain't no snowflake, Crusty.
No Regerts
"Really? Not even a single letter?"
No snowflake tattoo around the anus?
No, I just bleach my anus.
They just hairless cause they anus.
Not even the cops have been able to stop me from signaling my virtue in every public place I can get to.
Next thing we know, you'll be LARPing SugarFree stories.
It's funny, because conservatives go the other way and get all upset when word definitions evolve.
I saw no evidence that a single conservative was present in the room, just Mensheviks and Bolsheviks.
They were off instead learning useful career skills at said campus?
As a libertarian and conservative let me say: this makes absolutely no sense.
Maybe he was trying to work some kind of dig about the constitution in there? Because it sounds like a harmless, perhaps actually useful, stand to take.
But in politics evolution of words is the issue at all, it's outright propaganda. Describing your opposition's position accurately doesn't hurt them. You hurt them by stretching the truth or outright lying about them.
"It's funny, because conservatives go the other way and get all upset when word definitions evolve."
No. It is not evolution of words that is concerning. It is the papering over of evil with "nice" words to sell the evil to the general populace that is concerning. Late term abortion truly and far more accurately should be described as in utero vivisection. But support for the barbaric procedure becomes "pro-choice".
Or "pre-natal" care is a common one.
-Social justice
-Access to health care
-paying your fair share
-common-sense
I could go on
I'm starting to be convinced that they only way they are likely to learn that their actions are wrong is for them to be treated as they are treating others.
People teach us how they should be treated.
No, violence against revolutionary groups mostly convinces them to be more violent. They want it, it justifies themselves and allows for their world-view that they are repressed peoples fighting against tyranny.
I'm not necessarily talking violence. But their protests should be protested in kind.
How do you make a bully stop?
Not given them attention.
""Not given them attention."'
I think that worked better before social media. Now they video it, post it on line, and get praise from their peers. That is the attention they seek. You have no way of denying them the attention they seek
"Silencing certain voices in order to advance the cause of others is not acceptable in our community..."
...and therefore the perpetrators have been expelled effective immediately."
Something to that effect might be worth trying.
Not given them attention.
That's not how I remember it. I was bullied as a kid, and that shit didn't stop until I got fed up enough to go after the guys doing it.
the trick about groups like BLM is that they demand to bully people as much as they want, but start shrieking "DAS RAYCISS" if anyone doesn't prostrate themselves to them. It's not an accident that some of these people, even some more mainstream figures, are now bold enough to demand that white people should buy their groceries, pay their bills, and leave their homes to some random black family when they die.
Dude, my mom told me that kind of crap when I was a kid in school. The only advice that ever worked was my dad's advice: punch back.
I grew up in a mixed Latino/white neighborhood, and as a white nerd I got my full share of being bullied. I wasn't a good fighter, but I would fight ... and a few bloody noses later the bullies decided I just wasn't worth the effort any more and left me alone.
If you don't stand up to a bully the bully will roll right over you. Can you say "Munich 1938"?
Can you say "Munich 1938"?
I don't have to say what you tell me to ANYMORE!
This isn't the same as being bullied, though. Here's the thing.. if these people actually had a civil conversation, unfortunately some of the more left thinking people would sadly agree with them that "hate" speech shouldn't be protected. But when they're just yelling and being obnoxious, they're completely killing their cause among the vast majority of people who are even semi rational. As far as I'm concerned I hope they do this all the time.
But they don't even know who "dad" is.
Bring your own megaphone to the podium. A really powerful one.
A collapsible baton strike to the kneecap.
Officer Bar Brady: You've got it all wrong, my little friend. You do it like this:
(clubs him in the head)
You've gotta get 'em in the head; they go down quicker.
You enforce the rules. Right now they don't suffer consequences so they have no fears, but if colleges would enforce rules then they would have to bear a burden for doing this. Start having campus security ask them to leave, if they refuse arrest them. Give them tickets and put them on academic probation. Continue to do this and expel them. There was a ton of police and firm statements at Berkeley stating that anyone breaking rules would be arrested. Notice how there was no problem at Berkeley?
Arrest all of them. Expel any of them with low GPAs, because it's obvious that those kids aren't at the school to get an education, they're there to stir up shit and have angry little tantrums and thoroughly waste whatever they're overspending on college.
Fine the ones with high GPAs. Call it "malicious mischief".
Also, stop responding or doing anything but shrugging when anyone calls you a "racist." As an individual, as an employer, as an institution. Collectively, everyone just stop caring about this tired, overused, magic-manipulator word. Don't deny it, don't dispute it, don't be manipulated by the lazy and entitled into giving them free, unearned shit. Just ?\_(?)_/?.
How do you make a bully stop?
If history is any evidence, by smashing away at them until they stop.
If you don't stop those who silence others soon there no one will be willing to speak and the silencers will win. Sometimes you have to put your foot down and in cases like this the meeting should have police present to stop such actions it will be the only way.
Not really. Assuming they were actually students making an example of them and expelling every last one with no tuition refund would work quite well without the need for police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QqgNcktbSA
Watch the woman in this video. What is remarkable about the video is not what she is saying, which is the usual liberal nonsense, but how she is saying it. She clearly has never been taught that there could ever be any consequences to what she says or that there is any need to be respectful to anyone. Her parents, teachers, and peers have given her the impression that she can just emote and scream at anyone for any reason.
In a more civilized era, the guy on the receiving end of her tantrum would have either laughed at her or more likely slapped her. Instead, it is Yale. So, he rolled over and gave her exactly what she wanted and of course praised her for behaving like an untrained animal. At some point, she is going to run into someone who isn't so kind. If not that, her complete lack of self-control or understanding of consequences is going to cause her to do something criminal in a place that won't overlook it and end up ruining her life.
If her teachers and parents had hated her and wanted to set her up in life for failure and misery, they could not have done a better job than what they did.
Thanks John, but I can't watch the vid where I am.
It is the one that went viral of the mob attacking the guy at Yale for having the nerve to defend people's right to wear Haloween costumes the mob found triggering. It's basically a young woman screaming, cussing and exhibiting all of the self-control and maturity of an emotionally disturbed and angry three-year-old child.
3 is the new 20
Temper Tantrums for Justice!
No justice, no strained peas!
Still waiting for whirled peas. (since the sixties)
then she walks away because she can't discuss subjects beyond screaming and making accusations
She didn't come with the goal of discussion. She enjoys publicly acting out. It is a form of emotional release, much like some get by attending a horror movie as they scream and jump around with their friends.
Her actions can be understood only as psychological, not logical. They cannot be addressed by/with a verbal argument. She might get help from watching a video of herself with her psychoanalyst.
A friend might induce that when she calms down, e.g., a hand on the shoulder, or taking her by the hand, making eye contact, and telling her "Seek professional help."
The "young woman" is Jerelyn Luther
I know how do deal with these folk. They won't engage in dialogue, but they are on the edge of violence. All the prof had to do was call her a stupid cunt. That is the word that will trigger any SJW beyond their endurance and either her or her thugs will attack.
Suffer through the beat down, or even get a few licks in, but even Yale can't refuse to expel those who commit assault on campus.
The secret is to trigger them before they put the masks on.
but even Yale can't refuse to expel those who commit assault
Wanna bet?
The only way to learn their actions are wrong is to learn the history of communism. The parallels are unmistakable. I recommend First They Killed My Father on Netflix.
The first few chapters in the novel "The Three-Body Problem" are pretty informative also.
I wish that every time this happens, the people on the dais and in the audience just get up and leave. Empty the room. It's not so much the intrusion and disruption they crave, although they do, but the opportunity to rub it in everyone's face. Nothing will take the wind from their sails so fast as having no one to listen to their angry schoolyard taunts and silly sloganizing. They're attention hounds.
(an ode to the Faith Militant's treatment of Cersei Lannister in Game of Thrones, though why anyone would want to be associated with the religious fanatics in that particular conflict is beyond me)
Were they really fanatical or just framed in a unflattering way because they were enemies of main characters? Are the Muslims fanatical because they hate the gays too?
The High Sparrow seemed like a gods-fearing dude. He just had a low tolerance for deviance.
though why anyone would want to be associated with the religious fanatics in that particular conflict is beyond me
Memo to Robby: communism is a form of religious fanaticism.
Their ideological position is obviously incoherent?Liberalism is white supremacy? What?
P.S.
Robby, please brush up on your Marxism. This is absolutely coherent in the context of class struggle ideology.
It's not even so much Marxism as it is an outgrowth of critical race theory, which has essentially become the de facto philosophical stance of the universities (and as a result, most secondary education as well) since the New Left college students became academia's professors.
Critical race theory is Marxism with a modern twist. Turns out, the working class has it too good under capitalism so a revolution from that angle will never gain traction again.
You simply replace zero-sum economic class struggle with zero-sum race/gender/etc struggle and the march toward socialism may continue. Reparations soon, comrade.
"Critical race theory is Marxism with a modern twist.'
Absolutely-the left just kept looking for a means to destroy America (because it was the greatest example of liberalism in the world) and found it with critical theory. Unless they can be destroyed, which probably means the destruction of the University system, we will see more of this-not less.
Critical Theory is Marxism with a post modern twist.
I love the reparations plan; it's genius. "We already spend our welfare and other subsidies poorly, and we utterly waste our 'free' public education and don't at all value that investment of tens of thousands of dollars per pupil per year. What would solve that problem is to give us even more money."
"Indeed, the sermons which?the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries preach express their true nature: 'The revolution has gone too far. What you are saying now we have been saying all the time, permit us to say it again.' But we say in reply: 'Permit us to put you before a firing squad for saying that. Either you refrain from expressing your views, or, if you insist on expressing your political views publicly in the present circumstances, when our position is far more difficult than it was when the white guards were directly attacking us, then you will have only yourselves to blame if we treat you as the worst and most pernicious white guard elements.'" Lenin, Political Report of The Central Committee of the Communist Party at the Eleventh Congress on March 27, 1922.
There is no right to use "free speech" against the workers' and peasants' revolution, Comrade.
I disliked the show's treatment of the Sparrow movement. In the book they got influence because the Faith was the only social institution that was marginally functional and attempting to establish some sort of order, even if it was the wrong tool for the task. They had excesses, but mostly because the aristocracy and the crown had abdicated their duties to the people. The show just made them straight up evil religious zealots.
As said by Mickey Rat in the book the FM and the Sparrows are very clearly the only force in Westeros that is in Kings Landing trying to protect the small folk. That's less obvious in the show, but it's clearly there. In addition, Cersei is guilty of everything she was arrested and to be tried for and more. Heck, they were even legitimized by Cersei and then acting under the authority of King Tommen.
Um, yeah ... I'd say that someone who accepts having the symbol of the Sept cut into his forehead is fanatical.
And yes, Muslims are fanatical on many points. The "moderate" ones just don't want you to think about it much
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2.....ends-want/
In the book, after repeatedly torturing Winston, O'Brien asks, "Do you remember writing in
In the book, after repeatedly torturing Winston, O'Brien asks, "Do you remember writing in your diary, 'Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four'"?
At Winston's "yes," O'Brien holds up his hand and asks Winston how many fingers he's holding up. Winston gives the correct answer of four. His torturer then asks, "And if the Party says that it is not four but five ? then how many?"
Winston again gives the correct answer of four, and the torturing begins anew with added intensity.
O'Brien continues to alternate between asking how many fingers and torturing Winston, who insists that the correct answer is four. As the pain becomes unbearable, Winston blubbers out, "How can I help it? How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
O'Brien responds, "Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy becoming sane." [emphasis added]
That exchange, found in chapter II of Part Three, is chilling in its similarities to what's currently taking place in our society. Whenever you hear someone use the word "woke," sub in "sane" and imagine 1984's O'Brien doing the speaking. It will be a smooth substitution.
I feel like any torture these folks would do would lead to death rather than reeducation. Just look at that feminist hero who spoke at that D.C. Rally. She literally tortured a man to death and yet bears the title of hero with her kind.
What's this?
The womens march in DC post Trump election. Some chick who's name isn't worth remembering. If you want to learn more I think I read Rosario Dawson is playing her in a upcoming bio flick.
I feel like we actually have less information now that you've clarified your original comment, HV?.
Is he referring to Angela Davis? Is Angela Davis a hero to all feminists?
No. Donna Hylton. See my links below.
I feel like we actually have less information now that you've clarified your original comment, HV?.
Citizen, if this were a band, I'd be the guitar player with mystique.
Donna Hylton was her name.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/01/.....ackground/
Here is a full description of her crime, which should have gotten her the death penalty or at least life without parole.
http://www.psychologytoday.com.....punishment
But she didn't get the death penalty or life without parole.
No, she didn't. And now she is out of prison making a nice living off the Social Justice Warrior racket. Her victim, of course, is still dead.
No, she didn't. And now she is out of prison making a nice living off the Social Justice Warrior racket. Her victim, of course, is still dead.
She served her prison sentence and is now advocating for causes she believes in?
Yes, and that is her right. That doesn't make the fact that she is walking the streets and not dead or rotting in prison any less of an injustice. The State of New York did what it did and there is nothing to be done about it now. But that fact does not make her getting out of prison any less of an outrage or saying as much every time her name is mentioned or she appears in public any less of a moral duty.
Yes, and that is her right.
Okay then.
And Crusty it is my right to point out what a murderous nasty piece of shit she is and how her continued existence on this earth is an indictment of the New York State justice system and to a lesser degree the state of our civilization as a whole.
Yes it is, John. Have fun!
And have fun defending her or at the very least thinking it is okay that she is out of prison. Do you wish her well? Do former torture and rape and murders made good stories make you feel good?
And have fun defending her
Her right to advocate for causes she believes in? I will!
or at the very least thinking it is okay that she is out of prison.
Since she is out of prison there isn't much I can do about it.
Do you wish her well?
I am not sure how to answer this, but I don't wish her unwell.
Do former torture and rape and murders made good stories make you feel good?
No.
Crusty Juggler thinks psychopaths get a shiny new conscience installed when they are discharged from prison.
From the Psychology Today link
For the next 15 to 20 days (police aren't sure just when Vigliarole died), the man was starved, burned, beaten, and tortured. (Even 10 years later, Spurling could recall Rita's chilling response when they questioned her about shoving a three-foot metal bar up Vigliarole's rear: "He was a homo anyway." How did she know? "When I stuck the bar up his rectum he wiggled.")
She is a real charmer.
Huh, I always wiggle on 3 foot metal bars too. Am I a homo?
What did she say at the Women's March though? That seems more relevant to me.
That quote's not even from the same woman, if I'm reading the story right (it's a little convoluted).
It is a poorly written article. But here is the better portion
The three girls took turns watching the man. It was Donna who delivered a ransom note and tape to a friend of Vigliarole's, who was able to get a partial license plate number of the car she was driving. He notified the police, who traced the plate to a rental car facility. On April 6 the suspects were arrested, and detectives spent 36 hours straight interviewing the seven men and women. "We had to keep going back and forth and catch them in lies," said Spurling. "It was a never-ending circle of lies."
Spurling himself interviewed Donna: "I couldn't believe this girl who was so intelligent and nice-looking could be so unemotional about what she was telling me she and her friends had done. They'd squeezed the victim's testicles with a pair of pliers, beat him, burned him. Actually, I thought the judge's sentence was lenient. Once a jailbird, always a jailbird."
Rhywun,
Basically, she was pretty and well-spoken so people felt sorry for her. I guess being pretty and well spoken makes squeezing someone's balls with a pair of plyers less painful or barbaric or something. Had she been a man, homely or less intelligent, she would still be rotting in prison. Her case is a microcosm of so much that is wrong with the justice system in this country.
All I'm quibbling about is that it's not at all clear that she "literally tortured a man to death".
It is very clear she did. She was part of a gang that tortured a man to death and happily participated in the torture. Whether or not she actually delivered the blow that killed him is beside the point.
OK maybe that part's in the other piece I didn't read. I only read the Snopes piece.
The women's march also allowed Palestinian terrorist (and recently deported) Rasmea Yousef Odeh to speak. They also venerate Assata Shakur, who killed a police officer and was then granted "asylum" in Cuba.
Angela Davis also spoke at the Women's March.
THERE...ARE...FOUR...LIGHTS
"the revolution will not uphold the Constitution,"
I want to say that's a given. It's barely a revolution if they just continued using the previous structures of government.
Barely is too generous.
Temper tantrums thrown by overgrown toddlers seldom are worthy of the term "revolution."
that's how they all start though
Hat Tip: Chinese Cultural Revolution
Yes, which is why the "American Revolution" was not a revolution.
One question I ask, and this gets people surprisingly upset even when I don't mean it to, is to ask them to clarify their definitions. So they call "Liberalism is White Supremacy." You then ask them to give them their definition of white supremacy. Try to get them to define it even semi-rigorously. Seems like a lot of the time people have not thought that far ahead about it.
Do you honestly expect a dialogue of that magnitude? They just rush the stage and make a lot of noise and push there given agenda; don't need no stink'n dialogue. You might as well try reasoning with a drunk.
Their given agenda, lest any one attack me for being an ignoramus.
Nice save there. Very nice
If someone engages me, I am usually willing to engage them back. I love knowing what and why people think certain things. Certainly doesn't cost me anything.
It's literally Marxism repackaged as racial class struggle. They perceive the status quo as white supremacy by virtue of the observable fact that white people have it good (they are the bourgeoisie) and some other races aren't as well off. The go-to explanation for this disparate outcome is that whites as a class oppress the other races, literally keeping them down so they can stay at the top. This stems from a zero-sum view of economics. In this view, the only way to achieve equality is by hindering the progress of the white class and elevating the status of the POC with the helping hand of the state. Capitalism, premised on private property, is an obstacle to this goal, because when the police stop Antifa from breaking shit and looting, or when those god damn Republicans vote against socialist redistribution, they are perceived as upholding inequality. This is what they mean when they use the word fascism.
Liberalism, which includes free speech, permits those evil Rethuglicans to use their counterrevolutionary rhetoric to indoctrinate the masses back into the false consciousness of individualism. Anything that moves the needle away from socialism is perceived as regression and must be stopped by any means necessary.
Intellectual rigor is white supremacy.
I think these guys are reading their playbook backwards. The turning on your allies and devouring them is supposed to happen *after* you've seized power, not before.
That is what I thought as well. Also, you don't demand increases in police power until you control the police. You are supposed to be all for freedom and justice right up until you control the apparatus of state and no longer have to do so. I guess we should be thankful that we are fortunate enough to have these emotional retards for leftist revolutionaries rather than the smarter and much more dangerous ones of the past.
And thank god for that. But that doesn't mean they're harmless. Their influence in the media and entertainment forms the most powerful force for creeping socialism through the political process. If you value your right to own property, and by extension, to not starve like a Venezuelan, you should oppose them at every turn.
The turning on your allies and devouring them is supposed to happen *after* you've seized power, not before.
Yeah, at this rate they'll end up like libertarians.
Yeah, at this rate they'll end up like libertarians.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened. - Douglas Adams
You think they don't have power now? These trolls should have been rounded up by security and expelled from campus. Instead the university makes some limp defense of free speech knowing if they come down on the reprobates they will be treated even worse than Claire Gasta?aga. Their sphere of influence is limited to campuses for now, but these degenerates are graduating. It's only going to get worse.
They are graduating, and they will go to work in government, because they have no useful and productive skills.
And universities. Don't forget that many of them will someday be teaching your kids.
Their sphere of influence has expanded at least to certain professional sports. Can anyone figure out at this point what all these "unity demonstrations" are actually about? It's kindness to call it a hodge-podge. Yet, all must get in line and at least pretend to be "woke" (whatever the hell that means when you can't even defend your narrative on core facts). The NFL and NBA have both been hijacked by this nonsense, and it isn't going to stop
You would think people opposed to white supremacy and who doubtlessly view the current administration and government as a bunch of white supremacist fascists would be against giving them the power to decide what speech is too offensive to be legal.
Like BUCS said above, they have probably not thought that far ahead about it.
Like Nihil said above, that they were not dragged out of there by security shows that they DO have the power there.
It makes sense if their endgame involves all of those people getting the guillotine.
I've had online discussions with antifa and BLM sympathizers in which they reference the guillotine with relish, showing their historical ignorance of what happened to Danton and Robespierre, and what happened afterward.
Hell, there is even an actual magazine called "Jacobin".
That requires forward thinking, which they do not do very well, if at all.
Future Time Orientation is racist.
There's a reason why their censorship is extrajudicial. They have no illusions about relying on the state to do their necessary silencing. They would prefer to replace the state with a dictatorship of the woke.
But in the mean time, threats of violence will do, as long as nobody steps in to stop them. We like to say that the state has a monopoly on violence, but they tend to only enforce that when their own interests are at stake, like somebody cheating their taxes.
But they need new and exciting things to protest! They have so much puffy paint to use!
I'm literally shaking right now.
You fucking people have triggered Crusty! He needs to get to his safe space under the chinchilla cage immediately.
SOME COLLEGE STUDENTS YELLED AT A LADY! IT'S MADNESS!
WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS IN PERIL
CHINCHILLAS ARE WEIRD
HIDE YOUR KIDS HIDE YOUR WIFE A STUDENT GROUP AT A COLLEGE WITH AN OUT-OF-STATE TUITION CLOSE TO $60,000 WERE DOUCHEBAGS
Q. How many William & Mary students does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Three. One to change it, and two to crack under the pressure.
(The background for this fun old joke is that W&M has a history of a lot of student breakdowns and suicides).
suicides? Sounds like a self correcting problem.
Well, it does for a given year.
I blame their band.
Thanks for that visual of Crusty burying himself like a horned toad into all that chinchilla poo under the cage by wiggling side to side.
Time for some students to get expelled.
Yeah, it seems that simple to me.
And if the school doesn't have the "balls" (I mean, the principles to do it), then the alumni need to stop all donations immediately.
My guess is that the school administration does not have strong convictions about free speech, but likely have strong convictions on large alumni donations....
"they don't want to share it with anyone else?especially Nazis"
Might I suggest that they are the Nazis
I was told this was a misinterpretation of BLM's message.
I heard that too, right after the person saying it was done explaining how Venezuela didn't practice "real socialism".
No True Nazi defense.
Reason commentariat, do you want to know why they do what they do? Because they haven't been properly fucked by life; so they instead act like little turds to make up for it. But luckily I have created a solution to their (and our) issues: I will fuck them. I will drop my trousers, whip out my cock, and give each and everyone of those assholes a good, personable dicking--yes, even the men! None of these whiny fools will be spared as I mercilessly crush their assholes with all 4" of my manhood. And after all my energy and semen is spent giving them an enema by cock, maybe, just maybe, they'll be amicable and open to productive discourse.
Well, as a strict SoCon I feel less sex, not more, is what this country needs.
I'm talking about consensual rape. There's a big difference!
You may consent, but does Christ consent?
I just assumed Christ is the one whispering in my ear to "do it." What a bro.
Nah, that's Palpatine. That's his answer to everything.
"Cum in the dark side"?
"Not my will, but yours."
It appears that STEVE SMITH's brother is posting here now.
Pffft. He wishes I was his brother. Our brown little cousins are like child diddlers compared to us strong Yetis whose will alone can consensually and brutally violate all orifices within our vicinity.
Not sure about these people, but that approach might be effective with the young woman in the video I link above.
I saw that video when it came out, and it still triggers me whenever I watch it again.
And then, twenty or thirty minutes later, you get triggered again?
Dear lord no. I'm not insane.
With the amount I've been triggered it takes me longer and longer these days to get triggered again.
That's just a natural part of getting older. You learn to focus more on the quality of the triggering experience.
Word. You gotta savor the craving for a while. The waiting is the hardest part. RIP, Tom Petty.
The last time I was triggered was by Tom Petty, RIP.
These kids use emotional bump stocks; they can get get them self triggered automatically over and over again!
Well, this thread went right into the shitter.
Am so glad I went to college back in the eighties. I thought it was nuts then, but I just can't imagine getting through college today without punching someone in the face.
It's easy. I even did grad school. I mean, Arizona is not a particular hotbed of activity, but even then the worst I saw was people protesting as I walked to Panda Express.
I got to see dumb kids parading outside when Barack got elected in 2008.
That's nothin'. I got to sit and watch Jesse ("I just wiped Martin Luther King's blood all over myself") Jackson's talk at the 1984 Democratic convention with my California girlfriend at the time who was saving seeds because apparently the seed store couldn't do it for her. Grad school in California was a hoot.
Tell me more about how they have an ACTUAL argument to make.
Silencing certain voices in order to advance the cause of others is not acceptable in our community. This stifles debate and prevents those who've come to hear a speaker, our students in particular, from asking questions, often hard questions, and from engaging in debate where the strength of ideas, not the power of shouting, is the currency. William & Mary must be a campus that welcomes difficult conversations, honest debate and civil dialogue.
If nobody is punished, then the college means literally not single word of this.
Understand, the Right is the only friend you have. The Left HATES everything you stand for. The Right doesn't like it, but doesn't tend to do this idiocy.
Ha ha, yes! "We have a POWERFUL COMMITMENT. This is NOT ACCEPTABLE. And when it happens, WE WILL DO OUR UTMOST to do NOTHING about it. Have a nice day!"
And this indifference to the heckler's veto may cause speakers on BOTH sides to go "Oh no, William & Mary won't do."
(RIP Walter Becker)
Was there bad behavior on the ACLU's side?
Yes, they defended the basic civil liberties of some possibly-racist dudes at one point.
Yes. Even Hitler had the decency to kill himself. The ACLU doesn't even have that.
Things didn't work out for Hitler, so I don't know why the students thought the ACLU was effective enough for their clients to be a threat.
Bullshit he killed himself. I just saw Hitler whitewashing a bunch of brown sluts in Argentina.
Jared Taylor gave an uninterrupted speech at W&M 10 years ago. Maybe that was the fabled libertarian moment.
"They really shouldn't get away with this."
You would think the college would expel these kids for interrupting school sanctioned seminars. Probably some 1st Amendment type deal there though.
Even better is to always have these speaking engagements on private property or sell all college speaking halls to private parties, so when heckler veto types try and interrupt a seminar, police can haul them out for trespassing.
What don't these shit-heels consider "white supremacy?" I figure that ought to be a pretty short list.
The universally coveted white woman on her knees? Everything else is machinations upholding supremacy.
At first, she attempted to spin the demonstration as a welcome example of the kind of thing she had come to campus to discuss, commenting "Good, I like this," as they lined up and raised their signs. "I'm going to talk to you about knowing your rights, and protests and demonstrations, which this illustrates very well. Then I'm going to respond to questions from the moderators, and then questions from the audience."
It was the last remark she was able to make before protesters drowned her out with cries of, "ACLU, you protect Hitler, too."
Lol, useful idiot is no longer useful.
Listening to her introduction it really is alarming at how quickly they're ready to string her up (figuratively...I hope). Off to the Gulags with the LGBT SJW of Color
Yeah, only an idiot would praise this behavior. I guess people like her are simply hoping that by indulging this crap that they'll be eaten last.
The funny thing is that Sy Snoodles probably initially thought the protesters were there to sing her praises or at least share a common cause where she probably hoped to re-assume the reins of the event from the Soavist mob
Why does the videographer sound like he's masturbating furiously while sitting in the audience?
Because he was. Sometimes the simplest answer really is the best option.
Occam's Fleshlight?
You know, I was skeptical up until the 43rd time they repeated "Black lives matter," but that 44th time they convinced me. Wait, what was the point again?
If the state is to maintain a monopoly on violence, then they must uphold first amendment rights.
If these institutions are to maintain any credibility in the eyes of their moneyed donors, they must start cracking heads.
Fuck em, fuck all these fascists bitching about "white supremacy" which really means "market outcomes I don't approve of".
Fuck off you BLM fascists. Stop trying to start a race war you can't possibly win.
An organized militia conspiring to violently suppress the Constitution? Sounds like treason to me.
Or at least sedition.
When you see a protest against abortion, it is clear that what they want is the law changed. When the Tea Party protested taxes being too high you knew what they wanted. When BLM protests white supremacy, what do they want? What would settle the negotiation? Nothing. There is no condition except white people all kill themselves. So it is not a political demand, it is a simple outpouring of hatred which has no aim except hate.
It's no a protest, it's angry performance art. The kids sadly just don't realize it.
LARP'ing as civil rights activists.
But if all the white people kill themselves, who's going to do all the work? There would simply not be enough Asians left in the US to get everything done!
Tu eres campeon!
Just as dogs are marshmallows, war is peace, love is hate, freedom is tyranny, ignorance is strength, blah...
Not surprising. I've been saying for a while now that BLM, Antifa, etc. define "Nazi" as "anyone to the right of Lenin". That would, of course, include most of the liberal Left that DOESN'T just want to watch it all burn.
Not surprising. I've been saying for a while now that BLM, Antifa, etc. define "Nazi" as "anyone to the right of Lenin". That would, of course, include most of the liberal Left that DOESN'T just want to watch it all burn.
The example govt. sets every day in every way is: violence is moral/proper. Moreover, some groups are vilified and some are portrayed as victims who are morally superior, with special rights. This combination will bear fruit as social disintegration. It is inevitable. It is unsustainable. We are witnessing the collapse of our society.
Of course, should the collapse's focus turn inward toward govt. in general, WWIII will unify, temporarily. After the fallout (literally and figuratively) the collapse will continue.
Perhaps the internet will provide for the creation of a sane alternative community. Boycott MSM. It is an extremely subtle form of mind control. I stopped watching MSM news 35 years ago. Entertainment is now getting just as bad. See "Star Trek: Discovery" for the latest blatant military/industrial pitch for WWIII. How many identified it? How many absorbed the message uncritically?
We are living in a dangerous era, much like in the Cuban Missile Crisis era, but without JFK. Quite the contrary. We have "little rocket man" and "big rocket man".
"We are living in a dangerous era, much like in the Cuban Missile Crisis era, but without JFK. Quite the contrary. We have "little rocket man" and "big rocket man"."
We also have hyperbole...
Big Rocket Man was my nickname in, ah fuck it, its cliche now.
Your free speech hides behind white sheets
The revolution will not uphold the constitution
Whose side are you on?
No Justice No Peace Nazis don't deserve free speech
Liberalism is white supremacy
ACLU who's your enemy Make your target white supremacy
ACLU you protect Hitler too
ACLU hostile to who
ACLU free speech for who
The oppressed are not impressed
Shame (repeat)
Blood on your hands
Who do you protect Nazis Who do you serve KKK
Did I miss any?
Rearrange that a bit, add a few new lines, use "Shame" (repeat) as the chorus, and you have the start of a decent rap song.
The revolution will not uphold the constitution
Your free speech is no solution
Your free speech hides behind white sheets
Nazis don't deserve free speech
Shame, shame, shame...
ACLU protect Hitler too
ACLU hostile to who
ACLU free speech for who
Shame, shame, shame...
Make your target white supremacy
Liberalism is white supremacy
Blood on your hands
Across the land
Shame, shame, shame...
Blah, blah, blah...
I demand songwriting credits and a share of the royaltease
But seriously...not bad arranging there...
As you sow, you shall reap. Gotta love it! After years of liberals reveling in conservative speakers being shut down, it comes back to bite them in the buttocks. One of liberal politicians more beloved groups, BLM, shut down that bastion of liberalism, the ACLU. Not only that - they were shouting liberalism is white. Common sense dictates that the Left needs to keep the poor being poor in order keep their voters. They don't want their constituents to succeed - eghads! They might become capitalists and employ even more people! Look the liberals ran an old white man and an old white woman on their ticket for president. At least the right had both genders and a variety - a melting pot - of candidates to choose from. The party of true racism was finally shouted down by their own offspring.
Nary a fuckable one among them either.
The ACLU chick looked like Sy Snoodles
There never is. I contend it's a big part of their problem.
You're onto something with that.
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They're right in the sense that modern liberalism is a cover for group supremacy. Note I didn't specify white supremacy. It isn't so much a matter of race, but one of class. Whether they'll admit it or not most liberals think their political beliefs make them superior to others and that this gives them the right to impose their values on society. The same thing is true for factions on the right, but at this moment in time it's people on the left trying hardest to force their dogma on the unbelievers. And they're also instigating violence, which is step 2 in the fascist guidebook.
"They really shouldn't get away with this."
Yeah, that's what the administrators all say to one another when they get back to their safe spaces and then they shrug because waddaya gonna do and let them get away with it.
The universities are afraid of their black students. NFL owners are afraid of their black players. I'd say BLM is having a pretty good run.
"ACLU, you protect Hitler, too."
Er, yeah. That's how it's supposed to work. They're completely incapable of understanding EVERYONE has RIGHTS. It doesn't matter if you're a shithead or an angel - you have RIGHTS. Rule of law and all that.
This is the phrase of the year so far.
Just when you thought these morons couldn't be any more ignorant they pull this one.
Someone tell them that Hitler is dead.
You know who else protected Hitler?
The Schutz Staffel?
What gets me is that campus security didn't remove the protesters. Or even try to get them back in their seats.
Wonder what would happen if they did this during a football or basketball game?
Think security would show up?
I am truly sorry to say that these young people have no clue of the real struggle of the civil rights movement they are not using common sense at all they are just hurting there own cause by acting like this and for anyone information I am a black person married to a white person !!!!!
This is the feel-good story of the day!
It really was. Truly.
It's funny 'cause it's true.
They have to silence opposition because all they have ar slogans not actual points to debate. Their protests are nothing more than the actions of immature children posing as adults. Hopefully their behavior will punished rather than encouraged as it has been in California.
OMG. Horrible. Hey Robby did you know that the stupid bitch that interrupted Bernie Sanders in Seattle on behalf of the BLM turned out to be a born-again Christian Tea Party activist.
You're really reaching for that come back, buddy.
This looks like a job for Taserman and ZipTie Girl!
White students at Berkeley need to sue the school for supporting an environment hostile towards White people.
No Regerts
If these youngsters are to escalate the culture wars, they're going to have to do more than disrupt speaking events at over-priced colleges. I suggest blockading major roads, given white peoples' love of freedom of movement.
Help save our starving coyotes and vultures.
As utterly fucked as their misguided action was, these sisters and brothers are key allies in a post-capitalist world. We'd do better to convert them from their regression than to alienate and villainise them. Gonna need all the help we can count on.
Someone has to pay for the cellphone holder's c-pap.
No worries, minorities never gain anything by being ridiculous.
Yes that is directed to you idiots too.
Silence, Soavist pig-dog!
The incredibly heavy breathing adds to the tension and feeling it is a horror film, nice touch.
You can only subsidize this level of stupidity, it can't fester for this long.
All these little BLM bitches and Nazi name-callers need to meet some real Nazis.
Now where did I put that time machine so they can visit Germany (and Poland, and France, and Holland) circa 1942?
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This is actually one of the most intelligent comments on here. If only the SJW fanatics would do just as you suggest!
Ironically, the only black lives that don't matter are the members of Black Lives Matter.
You won't find this kind of behavior go unaddressed just about every where else. The NFL just announced that fans who use racial slurs at games would be banned.
Colleges cancel classes when a banana peel is found on the floor. The administrators clearly have different standards on promoting or protecting certain speeches or even FEELINGS. They want to have their own little society on campus - their own speech code, dress code, handling accusations of rape, etc.
Was anyone there alarmed that someone held up sign that read "The revolution will not uphold the constitution"? These people make up their own rules. Weistein says "I did some bad things but I'm going to take on the NRA so bye".
I already don't watch football and only watch 4,5 movies a year. I'll probably watch even less. Dirtbags posing as defenders of freedom.
I think all the rich white liberals like Harvey Weinstein should have to own up and give up their white privilege! They should pay out reparations and abandon their homes so the BLM people can headquarter there and spread the message. It was only a matter of time they turn against the ACLU, hopefully they get around to their biggest enemy, the DNC.
#white.guilt.matters
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I have to commend their stamina, especially considering that all the ones I see in the video range from overweight to obese. Chanting and standing that long cannot be easy for some of those people.
As Sargon reminds us, when these types of people are in charge, "liberals get the bullet too".
I guess someone has to do the thankless job of making everyone else look sane.
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A bit late to comment but I think it's better late than never. That photo of BLM protesters was worth a internet meme. https://imgflip.com/i/1x6g31
I strongly support BLM's cause when it comes to police abuses. But I despise the way they take over events and shout down others. That really backfires .
OK I looked at the video, Quite a few white students in that BLM group. Just a bunch of idiot leftists on campus of all races
This is precisely why using the phrase "leftist" is so useless. Who's the "leftist"? Is it the BLM group? Or is it the ACLU group? Because in any other story, most people would be calling them both "leftists." And if you're referring to the BLM group, I guarantee that the majority of americans who self identify as "leftist" support the ACLU group ahead of the BLM group. So it's completely useless to dismiss this as a "there goes leftists again..." story when in fact most "leftists" agree with you and I on this issue.
It's also worth noting that the university -- like the vast majority of universities in america -- come down in favor of speech, not silencing speakers. I agree with Robbie that there probably should be some consequences for the disruption that was caused (it's still not clear that there WON'T be), but it should also be acknowledged that this is a sensitive and politically-charged issue. They're probably taking the tactful approach here.
These look like paid protestors probably organized by some moneyed interest to cause chaos. All their completely asinine slogans were canned and designed to be revolting to the greatest commend denominator.
Fake protestors. They were mostly white kids from what it looked like. Were they even students? Doesn't sound like anyone even has information about who they are.
It's performance art.
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These look like paid protestors probably organized by some moneyed interest to cause chaos. All their completely asinine slogans were canned and designed to be revolting to the greatest commend denominator.
Fake protestors. They were mostly white kids from what it looked like. Were they even students? Doesn't sound like anyone even has information about who they are.
It's performance art.
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These look like paid protestors probably organized by some moneyed interest to cause chaos. All their completely asinine slogans were canned and designed to be revolting to the greatest commend denominator.
Fake protestors. They were mostly white kids from what it looked like. Were they even students? Doesn't sound like anyone even has information about who they are.
It's performance art.
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