Immigration

Why Trump's Wall Is Not Going to Happen

Plenty of GOP members would rather put Barack Obama on Mount Rushmore than underwrite this addled project.

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Nick Agro/ZUMA Press/Newscom

Donald Trump has served one-seventh of his constitutionally allotted term of office, and given his talent for self-destruction, there is no guarantee he will get to serve the remaining six-sevenths. But whether he does or not, one thing is a safe bet: When he leaves the White House, there will not be a wall running the length of our southern border.

This may come as a shock to his more devoted followers. They cheered madly, and still cheer madly, at his promises to build a wall that Mexico will pay for. "Believe me, one way or the other, we're going to get that wall," he told a rally in Phoenix on Tuesday—even "if we have to close down our government."

Between now and the end of September, Congress needs to pass legislation to raise the federal debt ceiling and extend funding to keep the government operating. Trump's threat is to veto any such bill unless it features money for the wall.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, however, said, "There is zero chance, no chance, we won't raise the debt ceiling." House Speaker Paul Ryan scoffs at the idea of a government shutdown.

To get a bill with wall funds through the Senate would require 60 votes. Every Republican and eight Democrats would have to agree, and that is not going to happen. Both Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi have invited Trump to take a long walk off a short pier. They say they won't support the barrier under any circumstances.

This response no doubt makes many Republicans secretly grateful, because they regard the proposal as what the late Democratic Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan referred to as "boob bait for Bubba"—a tough-sounding but dumb idea useful for appealing to a certain segment of the electorate that is not well-informed or discerning on matters of policy.

Plenty of GOP members would rather put Barack Obama on Mount Rushmore than underwrite this addled project. The Department of Homeland Security says it would cost $22 billion—and a study by the Democratic staff of the Senate homeland security committee priced it at nearly $70 billion.

In April, The Wall Street Journal reported, "Not a single member of Congress who represents the territory on the southwest border said they support President Donald Trump's request for $1.4 billion to begin construction of his promised wall." That's one reason he's angry with Arizona's two Republican senators.

Doubt has seeped out of Trump's Cabinet room. As secretary of homeland security, before becoming White House chief of staff, John Kelly admitted, "It's unlikely that we will build a wall or physical barrier from sea to shining sea." Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke has also been equivocal.

Trump faces some daunting obstacles in trying to get his way. One is that the wall is not very popular. A poll by Rasmussen Reports found that only 37 percent of likely voters support the idea. Another is that Trump is not very popular, with an approval rating matching that of the wall. Those numbers won't intimidate many members of Congress.

Shutting down the government would be bad for GOP lawmakers, who recall the negative fallout when they did it in 2013. But it would be worse for Trump. If the president threatens a closure and it happens, he will be slathered in blame from head to toe.

Let's not forget the comical absurdity at the center of this dispute: Voters were assured by Trump that the cost of his barricade would fall exclusively on our southern neighbor. But Mexico has declined the opportunity.

In a January 27 phone conversation with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto, Trump pleaded: "I have to have Mexico pay for the wall. I have to. I have been talking about it for a two-year period." It didn't work. Pena Nieto said bluntly, "My position has been and will continue to be very firm, saying that Mexico cannot pay for the wall."

The impasse led to an unintended exercise in hilarity by White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Thursday. When a reporter noted that Trump no longer says Mexico is going to bear the cost, she replied, "He hasn't said they're not, either."

Mexico isn't going to pay for the wall, and the U.S. Congress isn't going to pay for the wall. One of these days, Trump and his followers will have to face the truth: It was a 2,000-mile fraud.

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101 responses to “Why Trump's Wall Is Not Going to Happen

  1. “One of these days, Trump and his followers will have to face the truth: It was a 2,000-mile fraud.”

    Trumps stooges will face this truth when Trump confesses to being a pervert and an active sexual molester of women.

    1. Didn’t he already do that?

      1. He only confessed to regarding those women as unattractive.

      2. Yes, yes he did and despite Mr. Chapman’s deluded hope that the Chump’s flying monkeys will face the truth, they never will.

        1. What president’s devotees ever do?

          1. That’s kind of the definition of an acolyte in the cult of personality – anybody who ever criticizes a single thing, no matter how trivial, their godking does isn’t a true True Believer.

            Speaking of which, has Scott Adams ever criticized anything Trump’s ever done as something a master 7-dimensional chess wizard shouldn’t do? Ever actually predicted anything Trump would do (other than winning the election, which only about 65 million other people correctly predicted) based on his knowledge of what master 7-dimensional chess wizards do?

            1. Don’t forgot, it’s only because of the non-believers that the godking wasn’t able to deliver on each and every one of those promises – not because they were impractical, or legislative suicide, or obvious baldfaced lies – therefore it’s not the fault of the godking, it’s that of the non-believers.

    2. Hi Tony!

      1. You think I’m Tony! Ha! Ha! Ha! What a dope! Keep drinking!

    3. Hey Ernie, you’re confusing Trump with Bill Clinton. Fucking idiot.

      1. You’re right.
        Trump never said “… I did try and fuck her, she was married.”…”I moved on her like a bitch…Then all-of-a-sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything.”…”when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.”… “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”
        http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321

        That must have been you in a Trump suit on that bus!

        1. Silly dumbfuck. Trump makes a few remarks., Clinton serial rapes women for over forty years.

          See the difference cunt?

  2. This is one of those projects I look at and can barely give a shit about. I don’t want it to happen, but I feel like it’s another act of pure symbolism. Seems like that’s all politics is not.

    1. A very expensive act of pure symbolism…

  3. Perhaps we should consult Hadrian on how well walls work to keep people out.
    Or the Chinese. Is a ‘yuuuuge wall’ somehow greater than a Great Wall?
    Or even the West Berliners. (Trump deserves to be haunted by the senile ghost of Reagan for this nonsense.)

    Walls are pretty much the stupidest idea possible for the prevention of border crossings.

    1. “Or the Chinese. Is a ‘yuuuuge wall’ somehow greater than a Great Wall?”

      That wall is pretty impressive, so I asked the guide how the Mongols got over it. He shrugged and said ‘they bribed somebody’.
      I’m sure Trump’s wall would be every bit as effective.

      1. Maybe consult Andre Maginot about walls while you’re at it.

      2. Your guide was an idiot then, it was never meant to keep anyone out in tge first place.

        1. “Your guide was an idiot then, it was never meant to keep anyone out in tge first place.”

          Well, no. It wasn’t my guide, it was every book I’ve read on the matter.
          I’m gonna say you’re an idiot.

    2. The Chinese wall was not so much to stop people coming in as to stop the people who came in from taking anything out. You might be able to climb the wall, but convincing a cow to climb back over the wall with you was much more difficult. Don’t get hung up on the idea of a wall as being bricks and mortar. A secure border is wall enough. Unfortunately, there are too many in this country whose interests do not lie in the direction of a secure border.

      1. Re: Tankboy,

        Unfortunately, there are too many in this country whose interests do not lie in the direction of a secure border.

        Your statement carries as much meaning as bemoaning the fact the interests of many were not laying in the direction of a dry society, during Prohibition. If the interests of many is not towards a “secured border”, then perhaps the justification for putting up a wall is not there.

      2. Tankboy|8.27.17 @ 2:49PM|#
        “The Chinese wall was not so much to stop people coming in as to stop the people who came in from taking anything out.”

        And you, too, are an idiot.

    3. Worked pretty well for the East Germans. Without the wall, millions would have left.

  4. Man darf den F?hrer nicht fragen!

    1. Du hast deine Wette nie bezahlt

  5. I chuckle every time I read about “The Wall.” The Don was never going to build a wall. He was never going to prosecute the Clintons. When will everyone stop believing this shit? He said what he needed to say to get elected. He got elected!

    Now, he’s going to do what ever the hell he wants, until next election.

    Then guess what?

    He’ll say whatever he needs to say to get elected….

    Then guess what?

    He’ll do whatever the hell he wants!

    1. I guarantee you Trump had the let’s prosecute Hillary conversation with Sessions. Trump is a deranged narcissistic scumbag and this mf would do anything no matter the third party costs if he stood to benefit in the slightest. Trump is a Hitler grade everybody dies with me piece of shit.

      1. *sigh*…..more brainless TDS…….

      2. Prosecuting Hillary is the only thing I want this administration to do. The rest of the time, go play golf.

      3. Memory Hole|8.27.17 @ 10:27AM|#
        “I guarantee you Trump had the let’s prosecute Hillary conversation with Sessions. Trump is a deranged narcissistic scumbag and this mf would do anything no matter the third party costs if he stood to benefit in the slightest. Trump is a Hitler grade everybody dies with me piece of shit.”

        Pretty sure this is the result of spittle on the keyboard.

  6. Well, Trumptards always have the Muslim ban. That’s working well, isn’t it?

    1. Hey, turd! You lost.

      1. You were MIA here for a while, Sevo. We thought you were at the Trumptard Unite the Right Rally with your Tiki torch.

        1. You lost, turd.

    2. There is no Muslim ban you stupid shitbag. Do you ever get tired of being a gibbering moron?

    3. Most of the “muslim ban” was upheld by the SC, though.

  7. The problem with the Stupid Party fighting Trump on funding the wall the Mexicans are going to pay for is that the Evil Party ain’t stupid. If Trump’s credibly threatening to veto the appropriations bills perpetually continuing resolutions over the issue, there’s an opening for the Dems to bargain for enough votes to at least credibly threaten a veto over-ride. What sort of pork and power are Ryan and McConnell willing to cede to Schumer and Pelosi to get them on board the anti-Trump train? (And don’t say they’re already on board – Schumer and Pelosi wake up every morning and go to bed every night on their knees giving thanks to God for the gift of Trump. They’re not going to want to do anything actually effective against him that limits their ability to screech about what a terrible threat he is – that would be killing the goose that lays those tremendous, classy, fabulous, world-class gold leaf eggs.)

    1. Never really looked at it that way. You’re pretty smart.

    2. “Schumer and Pelosi wake up every morning and go to bed every night on their knees giving thanks to God for the gift of Trump.”

      That’s not what gets those two whores onto their knees.

    3. that the Evil Party ain’t stupid

      And by “the Evil Party”, you mean the Democrats?

  8. Finally, someone tells the truth about the so-called “anti-fascist” movement, which is really the same bunch of Soros rent-a-mobsters as the Black Bloc, Occupy Wall Street, etc etc.

    1. Yeah…

      Except that Trump has given the Antifa and other fringy leftist groups enough fodder to keep their movement alive even if Soros wasn’t behind it.

      Trump is the face of Capitalism now. And he will be for at least a generation.

      1. Trump definitely makes for a good Emmanuel Goldstein figure, but it could be anyone. Nine years ago it was hapless old George W. Bush, and many people have already forgotten he ever existed.

        1. One feels like you’re missing the main point, which is how utterly horrible Republicans are at being president.

          1. And yet, he still beat that miserable hag floated by assholes like you.

            1. How good could she be if she can’t even beat a clown by cheating.

            2. By negative 3 million votes. You Trump suckers have such honor just like your king.

          2. If the POTUS had a “D” next to his name, you would be supporting this wall…..because you are an unscrupulous partisan shitheap.

            1. That’s where you and I differ. I chose a party because of what it does and what it isn’t. You chose one because it shits on brown people and you’re a horrible nihilist, prolly.

              1. Alright Tony, I’ll make this very simple for you:

                You find one comment I’ve dropped on the Reason boards where I defended any of Trump’s positions and I will apologize to you, admit that I was wrong, and never bother you again.
                If you are unable to do so, whether by ignoring this challenge or coming back with some bullshit excuse for why you cannot, then you have conceded all of the things I have said about you over the years.

                I’ve been posting here since 2007 under the same handle, so you’ll have no trouble finding my comments. The ball is in your court, Tony, so this should be an easy challenge for you. Good luck.

                1. Otis, Tony will in no way act honorably. It’s just not in his progtarded, soulless DNA.

                2. And I have been making the same point for almost as long: there’s no such thing as not choosing a side in a two-way zero-sum competition for what happens to this country.

                  1. Well, I’m happily on the side of small government and fewer laws, which Trump seems to be accomplishing despite himself.

              2. I figured you out with the whole racist schtick. You’re projecting. You need to call everyone else a racist because in reality, you’re the biggest racist of all. Like your little anti Semitic comment earlier. You want the illegals here to keep them down as a dead to slave class, available t you for a sot free. You’re a slave who disdains these people. Because of that, you project your racism by calling us racists, when we actually believe in freedom for everyone.

                The only way out for a despicable wretch like you is to end things. No one could ever love you, so you might as well do it.

              3. Tony|8.27.17 @ 7:56PM|#
                “That’s where you and I differ.”

                I’m sure this is in reply to a parrot; the parrot is far more intelligent, you fucking ignoramus.

          3. One feels like you’re missing the main point, which is how utterly horrible Republicans are at being president.

            Horrible in what way? Trump hasn’t done much, and I like that. Hillary, by this time, would have been up to her eyeballs in social justice initiatives, anti-1A initiatives, anti-2A initiatives, etc.: absolutely horrible. In fact, simply not having to listen to Hillary is a huge blessing.

  9. Enrique Pena Nieto

    It’s Enrique Pe?a Nieto.

    Pe?a means “peak” like a mountain peak or a very big boulder. Pena means “sorrow”.

    The Alt code for the ? is 164 if you care to make the correction.

    1. Cuantos anos tienes OM?

        1. Um. You do know what anos without the ? means?

          1. I know what it means. It means “years” when you write it with an English keyboard that doesn’t have a keypad. I used to do chat, you know…

          2. “Um. You do know what anos without the ? means?”

            Anuses.

    2. No one cares, and this is an English language blog.

      You’re like that asshole on wikipedia who doesn’t understand what “English language” means.

      1. Jesus Christ, I can’t even try and joke around without some mouth breathing “posterboy Murican dipshit” to “not get it”.

      2. Re: Likes him some booze,

        No one cares, and this is an English language blog.

        *You* may not care, but you’re no one. And even if this is a blog written in English, proper names are supposed to be written using the correct spelling.

        1. proper names are supposed to be written using the correct spelling.

          We’ll hold you to that next time we talk about some Chinese or Japanese guy.

          Or is it only Spanish chicken scratches that you care about?

  10. Congress needs to pass legislation to raise the federal debt ceiling and extend funding to keep the government operating.

    What Congress really needs to do is quit screwing around with this stupid charade.

  11. “Between now and the end of September, Congress needs to pass legislation to raise the federal debt ceiling and extend funding to keep the government operating. Trump’s threat is to veto any such bill unless it features money for the wall.

    Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, however, said, “There is zero chance, no chance, we won’t raise the debt ceiling.” House Speaker Paul Ryan scoffs at the idea of a government shutdown.”

    Throughout this piece, there seems to be an assumption that raising the debt ceiling and building the wall are somehow mutually exclusive alternatives. The wall won’t be built because the debt ceiling needs to be raised–is that the underlying assumption here?

    Do you imagine that the Democrats will oppose raising the debt ceiling and shut the government down on principle–if the budget contains a line item for a wall?

    If you imagined that Republicans are so committed to not raising the debt ceiling that they’ll oppose funding the wall on that basis, that should have gone out the window with McConnell’s assurance that the debt ceiling will be raised.

    Congress won’t shut the government down because they’re so principled on the wall or the debt ceiling. They may not fund a wall that looks like the one in Berlin during the Cold War, but if there’s anyone in congress who cares about these thing on principle, there aren’t enough of them to stop congress from spending more money on border enforcement.

    1. And, fer Pete’s sake, funding the wall and raising the debt ceiling are not mutually exclusive alternatives.

      1. That’s probably true. I mean,what’s a few more billion on top of a few trillion? It’s not like real money anyway.

        1. Trump Wall : Federal Budget

          Sex Change Operations : Military Medical Budget

      2. I’ve read this piece three times and still don’t see where you’re getting the “mutually exclusive” narrative. All I see is the statement that they’re going to raise the debt ceiling and Trump’s threat to veto any such bill that doesn’t include funding for the wall is a hollow threat, the wall ain’t getting funded. It’s Trump who’s trying to tie the wall and the ceiling together*, not Chapman.

        Which is too bad for those of us who’d like to see a protracted government shutdown for the duration of the pissing contest between Congress and the White House.

        *I’d suggest a nice wallpaper border strip would be a better choice than crown moulding in this case. Bonus points if the border is made in Mexico. Double bonus points if it’s a garish marbled gold wallpaper.

        1. “All I see is the statement that they’re going to raise the debt ceiling and Trump’s threat to veto any such bill that doesn’t include funding for the wall is a hollow threat, the wall ain’t getting funded.”

          If you don’t see any underlying, self-contradictory assumption in that statement, then you may be inside the bubble.

          If the debt ceiling is definitely going up, that’s no reason to think the wall won’t be funded. Those two observations do not add up to the suggestion that the wall won’t be funded.

          There’s no way the wall will be funded–for one thing, the debt ceiling is going up?

          Does that make sense to you?

          Chapman isn’t playing 3-D chess. Chapman doesn’t want the wall funded, and the implications about the debt ceiling going up gibberish–at best. Facts don’t change relative to whether Chapman or anyone else likes their implications.

  12. I heard someone say that if Trump doesn’t get his wall, it will be his “Read my lips, no new taxes” moment. A few days ago I would have disagreed and said something about how his dumbass supporters will lick his nutsack even if he passed socialist healthcare and took all their guns. But I’ve been reading their comments lately, and apparently Trump is quickly becoming part of the Jew York globalist conspiracy himself. Who would have thought.

    1. “I heard someone say that if Trump doesn’t get his wall, it will be his “Read my lips, no new taxes” moment.”

      Hey, Tony! What happened to the Russkis? Weren’t we going to hear the details ‘real soon’?
      Yeah, you got some real cred there, pal.

    2. “I heard someone say that if Trump doesn’t get his wall, it will be his “Read my lips, no new taxes” moment”

      Write that person back and tell them they’re an idiot who is wishcasting.

      1. “I heard someone say”

        When Tony sits in his mother’s basement, mumbling to himself, there’s always someone to quote.

    3. Re: Tony,

      I heard someone say that if Trump doesn’t get his wall, it will be his “Read my lips, no new taxes” moment.

      A lot of people I know told me they voted for Trump because of the Supreme Court. Now that that is taken care of, Trump can resign and make that his “Miasion Acomplished!” moment.

      Alas, I think the arrogant bastard will only leave the seat in a hail of pussies…

    4. And once again Tony shows us his rampant bigotry. Anti semitic much you piece of shit?

    5. A few days ago I would have disagreed and said something about how his dumbass supporters will lick his nutsack even if he passed socialist healthcare and took all their guns.

      Your point is that his supporters are unprincipled partisan dipshits who put party before principle, right? Because you have an impeccable history of doing the complete opposite, as everyone here knows. Christ, Tony, you really are a self-loathing partisan twit.

      1. Nothing wrong with partisanship as long as you don’t pick fucking Republicans.

        1. Both Republicans and Democrats are turds. And you are a turd hugger.

        2. Tony|8.27.17 @ 7:58PM|#
          “Nothing wrong with partisanship as long as you don’t pick fucking Republicans.”

          Hey, fuckface! Still waiting for the “details” on the Russkis and how Trump is guilty of treason!
          Still
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          waiting, fuckface.

          1. The investigation is ongoing. And it will be until Trump pardons everyone, a move you will no doubt defend.

            1. It’s been ongoing for over a year now. Debbie’s IT guy is already indicted an faces a bunch of charges.

              You’re saying that Trump is some criminal mastermind who “colluded” with Russia and covered all his tracks. And he actually knew exactly what his son was doing when he met with that Russian lawyer at his OWN building.

              Obama’s fans kept on kissing his butt when his “keep your own doctor” statement turned out to be a lie of the year and bombed countries and authorized subsidies with no congressional input. The Daily Beast had an article recently detailing how the middle eastern leaders despised Obama for acting unilaterally and are now nominally Trump allies.

              The only real difference between Trump and Obama is outward appearance and the media. Trump calls CNN fake news and everyone flips out – Obama spies on and prosecutes journalists and no one cried constitutional crisis.

              I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Trump is a one term president, but his “anti pc, America first” brand might be here to stay.

    6. I heard the same thing. Think it was on the Hugh Hewitt show. He’s probably right and that would be too bad, at least as far as Trump is concerned about his re-election in 2020. I’m not a huge Trump fan myself, but I am so tired of the globalists on both sides of the aisle that I crossed my fingers and pulled the lever for Trump. I was never for the wall because it is a horrendously expensive boondoggle. It is a terrible idea even if Trump’s delusion that somehow Mexico is going to pay for it was somehow true. Not only can the bad guys either tunnel under it or climb over it, we can’t see what’s going on on the other side, and that would be bad (don’t say anything about installing cameras, they be shot out day 1). Take all of that money and install motion sensors and by drones to watch from above and below. Hire more border guards and give them better equipment. Loosen the rules of engagement and let them do their jobs. Unfortunately you have those people totally lacking in technological sophistication (and brains) who can only chant “build that wall”.

  13. When he leaves the White House, there will not be a wall running the length of our southern border.

    That’ll only be cuz of teh Democrat obstructionists!

    1. Why couldn’t you stay gone.

  14. A modest suggestion: Congress could enact a law reclaiming every penny of past and future asset-forfeiture proceeds and revenue from the states and counties to build the Great Wall of Mariwhinahs. We’d damn soon be rid of Bill of Rights forfeiture.

  15. Despite the Trumpista infestation, I am glad OUR comment sections never believed that the Wall would be paid for.

    And, now to get some popcorn for Game of Thrones

    1. Despite the open border types infesting OUR comment section, the wall will be finished.

      There already is a wall for some of the Mexico border.

  16. Once again Chapman shows what a worthless piece of shit that he is. I truly hope the wall gets built. It will strike a blow against progtards and open borders idiots alike.

    1. Re: Last of the Shitlords,

      It will strike a blow against progtards and open borders idiots alike.

      That’s like saying that selling tainted alcohol (which the federal government did, during Prohibition) would strike a blow against anti-Prohibitionists and alcohol drinkers alike. The border wall is a boondoggle that will only strike a blow to the federal budget but not more than that.

    2. Of all the problems in the world what really matters is you slapping the faces of progtards with your tiny flaccid dick. Because you believe in some fantasy competition happening in a fantasy realm sold to you on the cheap by fat stupid whores on cable TV.

      1. Tony, you do like some penis in the face.

  17. There already is a wall covering some of the Mexico border. The push is to finish the wall and make it more secure.

  18. I was willing to listen to the author’s argument, but then I got to the part where it said “Steve Chapman” and I bailed. I know that’s a reverse “argument from authority” fallacy, but I just can’t help it. If the crazy guy on the street corner says crazy, stupid stuff every time I pass by him, that’s no guarantee that this time he won’t speak timeless wisdom, but it’s surely the way to bet.

  19. “Shutting down the government would be bad for GOP lawmakers, who recall the negative fallout when they did it in 2013”

    For the record, it was Obama who shut down the Government and blamed it on the Republicans. Obummer also made sure to shut down services like parks and memorials that normally stay open on weekends and holidays when the Government does shut down strictly out of spite.

    Since Reason has a short memory, it was Ted Cruz who conducted a 17-hour filibuster to prevent a massive, pork-filled omnibus bill that would have added $1.1 trillion to the national debt raising the debt ceiling to the stratosphere – which also included full federal funding for abortions and Planned Parenthood – as well as subsidies for expanding Obamacare’s mandated service list – at a time when all Republicans had promised to repeal Obamacare on the campaign trail.

  20. That wall just got 10 feet higher!

  21. The problem is that Trump has painted himself into a corner. His base expects him to follow through on his promise. Only his base apparently isn’t smart enough to figure out that a “wall” is a 14th century solution to a 21st century problem. The last time a wall was effective was when the Mongols were driven out of China in the 1300s.These days it can be tunneled under or climbed over with relative ease and we also can’t see what’s going on on the other side – which to me is a far more dangerous problem. It’s also horrendously expensive. Why not take that money and put it into advanced monitoring like motion detectors and drones with infrared sensors, hire more border guards and take off the handcuffs so they can do their jobs. That way we know exactly what is happening and where and can direct the appropriate resources to the area in an efficient manner. I know it’s a lot to ask of the government to be efficient, but that’s what needs to be done.

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