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Trump Denounces Racists, Attacks Drug Company CEO Who Quit Council, Suggests Possible Pardon for Arpaio: P.M. Links

Scott Shackford | 8.14.2017 4:30 PM

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    President Donald Trump today finally formally denounced white supremacist groups by name after being a little vague in his condemnations over the weekend.

  • The denunciation came on the heels of the CEO of pharmaceutical company Merck quitting Trump's manufacturing advisory council because he didn't like the way Trump reacted to the weekend's violence. Trump responded by attacking him and Merck on Twitter.
  • James Alex Fields Jr., the 20-year-old Ohio man accused of driving the car in the Charlottesville, Virginia, attack on Saturday, has been denied bail. He's accused of second-degree murder and other charges.
  • A libertarian hot dog shop has fired a worker who was identified among as being among the white nationalist protesters in Charlottesville. Surprising detail: The hot dog shop is in Berkeley, California.
  • Trump told Fox News he's considering a pardon for former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, convicted of criminal contempt for defying judge's orders to stop doing patrols looking for illegal immigrants.
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  1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    President Donald Trump today finally formally denounced white supremacist groups by name today after being a little vague in his condemnations over the weekend.

    What did the president know was racist and when did he know it?

    1. timbo   8 years ago

      I have not been outraged since Saturday. Any ideas?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

        What are you? Too lazy to join Twitter?

        1. timbo   8 years ago

          Its been two days,. Is it time to resurrect the N Korea crisis, or perhaps dust off some tranny civil rights abuses? We haven't heard about trump having sex with Putin in a week.

          A race riot normally only gets 2 days.

          1. Libertymike   8 years ago

            Not the 1992 LA race riot. Doubt it? Have you heard of OJ?

    2. Rhywun   8 years ago

      He didn't know it fast enough therefore OUTRAGE!

      1. timbo   8 years ago

        What difference, at this point,.....

    3. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

      Hello.

      Everyone has lost their minds edition part deux.

    4. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

      He is also planning tomorrow to denounce cancer. A little too late for Almanian, Mr. President.

      1. Charles Easterly   8 years ago

        If I recall correctly, our fellow H&R commentator's moniker was "Almanian!".

  2. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Trump responded by attacking him and Merck on Twitter.

    Trump was going to fire him anyway. Loser.

    1. Charles Easterly   8 years ago

      WTF is a libertarian hot dog shop?!?!? What makes it libertarian?

      The following quotes are from the article for which Scott provided a link.

      The shop has a political bent of its own, as it's well-known in Berkeley for the libertarian stickers and articles posted on its walls, and website.

      After being "inundated with inquiries," his former employer, Top Dog, in downtown Berkeley, posted a sign on its door that reads: "Effective Saturday 12th August, Cole White no longer works at Top Dog. The actions of those in Charlottesville are not supported by Top Dog. We believe in individual freedom and voluntary association for everyone," multiple news outlets reported.

      1. Charles Easterly   8 years ago

        Oops - my post was intended to answer colorblind's question posed at 4:30.

      2. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

        Who the hell is Cole White?

        1. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

          Ok, I guess he is a racist. Dumbass. Of course you are gonna get fired for going to those rallies.

        2. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

          Snow White's and Coal Black's grandson?

          1. Don't look at me.   8 years ago

            OMG! That would make him a Grey!

      3. Dillinger   8 years ago

        We believe in individual freedom and voluntary association for everyone

        as long as "everyone" protests what we protest

  3. colorblindkid   8 years ago

    WTF is a libertarian hot dog shop?!?!? What makes it libertarian?

    1. timbo   8 years ago

      Why would you put that on your sign?

      Come enjoy dinner at my "I severely disagree with a certain group of people" restaurant.

    2. chemjeff   8 years ago

      I believe it's because they adhere to the Non-Aggression (with Ketchup) Principle

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   8 years ago

        Libertarian hot dogs in Berkeley are violence, just like words.

      2. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

        KETCHUP IS MURDER

    3. SIV   8 years ago

      They don't believe onions are a proper hot dog topping. I'm issuing a fatwa.

    4. Hank Stamper   8 years ago

      An unlicensed stand ran by a Mexican pole and pot smoker?

      1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

        No - those are in Oakland.

    5. CE   8 years ago

      The hot dogs have a 2 percent chance of winning hot dog contests.

    6. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      Every item involves white bread, weenies.

    7. Paloma   8 years ago

      The hot dogs themselves are libertarian

  4. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Trump told Fox News he's considering a pardon for former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio...

    So he's going to be ahead of Obama in pardons and commutations at this point in his presidency?

    1. bevis the lumberjack   8 years ago

      I think Trump wakes up early every morning to have time to contemplate "how I can raise the bar for awful today".

    2. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      I consider this to be a significantly more important point of discussion then whether he denounced nationalists enough. Arpaio is a piece of shit, who was found guilty of distorting the legal system. Pardoning him would be an affront.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    A libertarian hot dog shop has fired a worker who was identified among as being among the white nationalist protesters in Charlottesville.

    Too bad it wasn't a union shop.

    1. timbo   8 years ago

      I would sue as a cis racist.

  6. Juice   8 years ago

    I thought all hot dogs were anarcho-syndicalists.

    1. MikeP   8 years ago

      It's Vienna sausage that has the wobblies.

      1. Juice   8 years ago

        lol Gotta keep an eye on that Bratwurst.

    2. chemjeff   8 years ago

      But do they adhere to the Frankfurter school?

      1. Juice   8 years ago

        Damn. Who knew hot dogs were so rich in ideological puns AND nitrates?

  7. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    "Libertarian Hot Dog" was my water skiing name in college.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Surprising detail: The hot dog shop is in Berkeley, California.

    Libertarians and sausage are two things you do not want to see being made.

    1. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

      One takes too many lips, the other too many assholes.

      1. Ecoli   8 years ago

        ++ 1

  9. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

    Funny how professors bashing people in the head with a bike lock doesn't elicit anger from people like that pharma guy.

    Such integrity.

    1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

      Why would he have resigned over what happened at Berkeley?

      1. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

        What does the CEO of Merchk have to do with Berkeley?

        1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

          I don't know, but I guess he's supposed to be angry at Trump for what happened there? You're the one implying he's a hypocrite for not doing... something after the antifa violence.

          1. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

            I just know Elon Musk is involved in this somehow.

          2. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

            Are you always this ridiculous?

            1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

              What is your complaint, then? And how is it that you know the CEO of Merck was not also angered by what happened in Berkeley? How could he have registered his anger strongly enough for him to pass your consistency test?

              1. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

                Never mind.

                Can someone help me here because he's not making any sense to me.

                I'm gonna try and speak Canadian:

                MY POINT. WAS. THESE PEOPLE ACTING ALL INDIGNANT. WHERE. WERE THEY. WHEN ANTIFA COMMITS VIOLENT. ACTS. ?

                Just like the protestors were the ones who started provoking those dopey white supremacists.

                My pointing to that asshole professor was just an example. Try and be a little more nuanced and not be picky for its own sake.

                /slap.

                1. Don't look at me.   8 years ago

                  Ehh, what are you sayin der?

                2. Telcontar the Wanderer   8 years ago

                  Maybe because this Merck CEO wasn't *working for Berkeley* at the time?

                  Whereas he *was* working for, and thus associating himself with, Trump at this time?

                3. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

                  Again, why would the Merck CEO comment about what happened at Berkeley?

                  His beef is not with James Alex Fields or the marchers in Charlottesville. It's with Trump, the man who he agreed to advise.

    2. Dillinger   8 years ago

      customers.

  10. Jerry on the sea   8 years ago

    The hot dog shop is in Berkeley, California.

    I imagine Sauerkraut is about as close as you can get to Nazi Germany in Berkeley.

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   8 years ago

      Unless you count antifa protests.

  11. Juice   8 years ago

    A libertarian hot dog shop has fired a worker

    His name is Cole White? Come on, really?

    1. Jerry on the sea   8 years ago

      Or Wei?kohl in German. You can't make this stuff up.

      1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

        Wouldn't that mean "white lettuce?" I was going to make a joke about him getting fed up with the cole slaw at work, but couldn't think of one.

        1. Juice   8 years ago

          Cabbage. It's cabbage.

    2. Griffin3   8 years ago

      +1 Reality Winner.

      1. Juice   8 years ago

        That whole story was fishy as fuck.

  12. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    Letter: Family denounces Tefft's racist rhetoric and actions

    My name is Pearce Tefft, and I am writing to all, with regards to my youngest son, Peter Tefft, an avowed white nationalist who has been featured in a number of local news stories over the last several months.

    On Friday night, my son traveled to Charlottesville, Va., and was interviewed by a national news outlet while marching with reported white nationalists, who allegedly went on to kill a person.

    I, along with all of his siblings and his entire family, wish to loudly repudiate my son's vile, hateful and racist rhetoric and actions. We do not know specifically where he learned these beliefs. He did not learn them at home.

    I have shared my home and hearth with friends and acquaintances of every race, gender and creed. I have taught all of my children that all men and women are created equal. That we must love each other all the same.

    1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

      Evidently Peter has chosen to unlearn these lessons, much to my and his family's heartbreak and distress. We have been silent up until now, but now we see that this was a mistake. It was the silence of good people that allowed the Nazis to flourish the first time around, and it is the silence of good people that is allowing them to flourish now.

      Peter Tefft, my son, is not welcome at our family gatherings any longer. I pray my prodigal son will renounce his hateful beliefs and return home. Then and only then will I lay out the feast.

      His hateful opinions are bringing hateful rhetoric to his siblings, cousins, nieces and nephews as well as his parents. Why must we be guilty by association? Again, none of his beliefs were learned at home. We do not, never have, and never will, accept his twisted worldview.

      He once joked, "The thing about us fascists is, it's not that we don't believe in freedom of speech. You can say whatever you want. We'll just throw you in an oven."

      Peter, you will have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too. Please son, renounce the hate, accept and love all.

      Tefft lives in Fargo.

      Virtue signalling cuck.

      1. Rhywun   8 years ago

        "Some of my best friends are of every race, gender and creed."

        Good grief it's come to this.

        1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

          I happen to personally be of every race, gender and creed, myself. People seek out my friendship all. the. time.

        2. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

          Ah yes, the black friend fallacy. Just because you have a black friend does not mean you are not racist.

      2. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

        Why must we be guilty by association?

        Someone apparently doesn't know their fellow leftists very well.

        1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

          He's disavowing racism, so he must be leftist.

          1. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

            He's disavowing racism, so he must be leftist.

            He also doesn't seem to realize that it doesn't matter, one of his relatives is and so his fellow travelers consider him to be equally culpable.

            1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

              Who are his fellow travelers?

              Fargoans? Fargites?

              1. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

                Did you not see this part?

                His hateful opinions are bringing hateful rhetoric to his siblings, cousins, nieces and nephews as well as his parents.

                I realize you're just being passive-aggressive, but at least try to remember what you quoted not even two hours ago.

                1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

                  I did, and I misunderstood your use of "fellow."

                  Sorry.

                  1. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

                    No worries. It's H'n'R town.

      3. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

        Peter Tefft, my son, is not welcome at our family gatherings any longer.

        I think that's fucked up. That's pretty intense for direct family to do. Even Jeffrey Dahmer's parents didn't disown him. Also, doing something as incredibly personal as this in a public venue. I can understand writing something to disown his views, particularly as they were apparently receiving threats for it (Which, of course if offensive in of itself, and shows those people to be monstrous, but violence and rape is all good as long as you're beating up someone you dislike a lot).

        The rest they say is too personal. It is gross and the mother showed herself of being of low class herself.

        1. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

          You kidding? As harsh as what they said was, it's still probably not harsh enough to get the leftists to stop threatening them.

          1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

            I just can't imagine making family interaction so social like this. I think maybe I have an extreme urge towards privacy, but still it seems too public.

        2. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

          The irony of her quoting the Prodigal Son is that the father was always willing to welcome the son back regardless. He never once kicked him out or disowned him; the son ran away and then came back.

          Also, fucking equating herself to God Almighty has to be peak shitlibism.

    2. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

      Every race? In Fargo? I smell bullshit.

      1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

        Swedes, Germans, Danes - all of 'em!

      2. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

        Going off memory, they have at a minimum a Japanese American, a black guy, and a Native American (granted, he later poses as white).

        1. Number 7   8 years ago

          yeah but the Japanese guy was nuts, the Native American was an ex-con and the Swede was a guy way ahead of a meme, It was left to the woman to unravel the whole thing so obviously it is non-patriarchal (except the bald guy who's very patriarchal). Don't recall a black guy, maybe he was left in the snow?

          1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

            I was including the TV show.

            I forgot about the Native American in the movie. Doi!

      3. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

        The city's about 88 percent white-bread, so there have to be a few there, at least.

  13. Juice   8 years ago

    That shop might want to think twice about putting up that sign in Berkeley saying they believe in individual freedom of association.

    1. Juice   8 years ago

      Individual freedom and voluntary exchange are core to the philosophy of Top Dog.

      Ok, that's nice and all, but should a hot dog shop really have a philosophy?

      1. Stormy Dragon   8 years ago

        hot dog shops are buddhist. They'll make you one with everything.

        1. Charles Easterly   8 years ago

          They'll make you one with everything.

          Stormy,

          I think we may have heard a similar joke.

      2. Unicorn Abattoir   8 years ago

        The Discordian religion mandates eating a hot dog on Fridays.

      3. Square = Circle   8 years ago

        It's Berkeley. Even the homeless people have "philosophies."

    2. Unicorn Abattoir   8 years ago

      It amazing the shop's still standing when they make statements like:

      "Jim Crow is long gone, but it seems that Progressives (which gave us Jim Crow in the first place) now are imposing what essentially is a new form of segregation, that being ideological and religious segregation that is more reminiscent of how the former USSR treated dissidents than anything we have seen in private enterprise."

      1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

        Lucky for them, nobody in Berkley bothers to actually read anything.

      2. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

        HazelMeade hardest hit.

    3. Brandybuck   8 years ago

      So one can believe in freedom of association, but they're not allowed to actually exercise freedom of association? What sort of collectivist unierse do you live in where that makes sense?

      Kudos to Top Dog for exercising their fundamental and unalienable right of disassociation!

      1. Juice   8 years ago

        Huh? Both the shop and the employee exercised their freedom of association.

      2. Juice   8 years ago

        Ah, I see. I think you read past the "in Berkeley" part. I was just half joking. You'd think they might get very little business or maybe something worse.

  14. hpearce   8 years ago

    I don't want the state or the president or legislatures criticizing citizens for exercising their civil rights like freedom of belief, right to protest, etc - REGARDLESS of how despicable those belief maybe.

    By aiming a strong critique at people MERELY because they believe in fascism or racism or whatever undermines our civil rights in these areas.

    The call by the left for precisely the state to call people out for their beliefs shows us who the intolerant jerks are in this society.

    1. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

      Obama was allowed to get away with condemning "violent extremism" in response to radical islamic terrorism his whole time in office, not getting any more specific; Trump is expected to condemn by name every specific ideology and proponent thereof within a couple of hours of the attacks or else he's racist.

      1. Bra Ket   8 years ago

        The goalpost is simply set just beyond whatever Trump does. They have article templates and just fill in the details when stuff happens.

  15. Stormy Dragon   8 years ago

    Time required for Trump to denounce Nazis: 48 hours
    Time required for Trump to denounce Merck CEO: 57 minutes

    1. Juice   8 years ago

      Well, he took it personally.

      1. chemjeff   8 years ago

        Sadly, I really do think this is the correct answer.

        If, at the rally, Richard Spencer had insulted Trump personally by name, Trump would have denounced him and all of the alt-right so fast...

    2. Don't look at me.   8 years ago

      I was disappointed as well, I was hoping for under 45 minutes. Maybe next time.

    3. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

      Time required for Obama to denounce Radical Islam: 8 years and counting

  16. Brandybuck   8 years ago

    The first time anyone self-identified as "libertarian" ever voluntarily disassociated themselves from racist pukes. Usually there's just hand wringing about "but if we kick out the nazis who will attend out meetups?"

    Congrats! The movement is not so desperate for members that it needs to keep apologizing the dregs of society.

    1. Juice   8 years ago

      The first time anyone self-identified as "libertarian" ever voluntarily disassociated themselves from racist pukes.

      Wow. First time? What a momentous occasion.

    2. hpearce   8 years ago

      There's a big distinction between supporting a group or individual and supporting their civil rights - at least for me

      1. Brandybuck   8 years ago

        Go to a libertarian meetup. The numbers of quacks, kooks, conspiracy mongers is staggering. But enough about the harmless eccentrics, there's also the racists. They never got called out. Look at them funny and they whip out the old "Ron Paul says it's impossible to be racist and a libertarian", and then keep talking about how the Confederacy was libertarian in its fundamentals.

    3. Chipper Morning, Now #1   8 years ago

      Hey man, I dissociated myself publicly from these racists fucks yesterday. I win! I wiiiin!

    4. MP   8 years ago

      Good thing we can count on Brandybuck to be the overseer of all libertarian interpersonal transactions in the history of the known Universe.

      Now if someone will just speak up for the multiverse...

  17. Rich   8 years ago

    After Charlottesville, Mayor Plans To Remove Baltimore's Confederate Monuments

    "We have identified cemeteries where confederate soldiers have been buried," Pugh said in the statement. "Among the identified cemeteries are the Washington Confederate Cemetery in Hagerstown, Maryland and the Point Lookout Confederate Commentary in Scotland, Maryland. We will inquire as to their willingness to accept the monuments and prepare agreements for the transfer."

    "After that, all the vandalism and human excrement are their problem."

    1. Don't look at me.   8 years ago

      And if they refuse?

  18. chemjeff   8 years ago

    So I read some commentary on a few right-wing sites about the Chaos In Charlottesville(tm) over the weekend.

    There seems to be a pretty strong theme that even if the racist white nationalists are disgusting, that they should be treated as allies nonetheless, because at least they are Fighting The Left, and that if they join in with the denunciation of the Nazis, then that puts them on the same side as The Media (can't have that), and that if they let the Left "get" the Nazis, then they will be next themselves to be lined up against the proverbial wall.

    And it struck me, that there's a strong sentiment on the right which really does contend - without any irony - that they are a persecuted minority. That, like the persecuted minorities on the Left, they have to engage in their own version of "intersectionality" and find common cause with the racists and bigots and Nazis and white supremacists. Because if they don't, they really will be oppressed into oblivion, divided and conquered by The Left which is supposed to represent some form of Neo-Stalinism.

    And it's just really difficult for me to wrap my mind around this level of persecution complex that they have adopted. Republicans control the levers of power in this country, from top to bottom. Even when they win elections, they still feel like oppressed victims. I don't get it. I really don't.

    1. bevis the lumberjack   8 years ago

      Attributing the logic of the extremes of either side to the entirety of that side is not a useful exercise.

      And pointing out logical inconsistencies in the thinking of either side is like shooting fish in a barrel. No, it's easier than shooting fish in a barrel. It's like the rabbit hunt portion of the Monty Python Twit of the Year Contest.

      1. chemjeff   8 years ago

        Well I thought I made it clear that I don't attribute this position to everyone on the right. I said it was a strong theme, instead.

        1. Reality   8 years ago

          What does "strong theme " mean for you in this context.

          1. chemjeff   8 years ago

            More than just a handful.

            I didn't take a scientific poll or anything. But it didn't seem to be a fringe view.

    2. Square = Circle   8 years ago

      I think you're over-dualizing.

      As an example, I recently had a conversation with my progressive brother who started by asserting that gentrification is an awful thing that must be stopped in the name of justice, but then in the course of the very same conversation asserted that if it happens in a white neighborhood, it doesn't really count as gentrification and represents progress, really.

      What he misses, I think, is that the poor white people in those neighborhoods aren't particularly comforted by the fact that the rich neighborhoods are full of white people. What they hear is "fuck you and your problems, you're being punished because you share skin color with people who are wealthy and powerful, so us fucking you up the ass for no reason is Justice!"

      Poor, uneducated white people actually are a persecuted minority at this point, and for the most no one cares at all about them and tells them that they're being evil and racist for pointing out that it's fucked up to treat them that way.

      Republicans play to this crowd because these people naturally hate Democrats with a blind passion. For the Republican Party to posture as a persecuted minority is just as ridiculous as when Democrats do it. But the people they are appealing to have legitimate gripes, if they sometimes get expressed in ugly ways.

      1. Rufus The Monocled   8 years ago

        Bingo Ringo.

        I would add that groups that collectivizes are on the left side of the political spectrum.

        Antifa and white-supremacists are cut from the same cloth.

        Antifa may *say* they're righteous and for justice (the other side does it as well) but that means shit.

        I don't see much of that anyway. I do see loads of violent actions and rhetoric though under the guise of being self-righteous.

      2. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

        Poor people are always the most hated demographic. People play it up like they like the poor, but really most everyone seems offended by all aspects of their life. People will play lip-service to liking them, but they openly disdain everything that they stand for as well.

    3. This Machine Chips Fascists   8 years ago

      My experience is that many evangelicals and fundamentalist Christians seem to glorify and indulge the state of being a victim. Martyrdom isn't just for Islamists. Team Red is has more than it's share of such people. No surprise that they bring delusion to their politics.

    4. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

      RINOs, duh.

    5. Dillinger   8 years ago

      i didn't know we still had nazis...idiots.

    6. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

      What else would you call it when they get banned from online platforms for expressing their views, get doxxed by leftists and have their lives ruined, get falsely accused of violating terms of service and get their YT videos demonetized, etc. And when they try to have a rally (not just these fuckwad neonazis, even pro-Trump rallies) the leftists show up in masks and try to beat them up while the cops are ordered to stand back and watch.

      No, it's not Jim Crow level persecution, but it is persecution.

      1. chemjeff   8 years ago

        I acknowledge all of that happens. But do the 'persecuted' conservatives believe that it only happens to them? Only conservatives are banned from online forums, only conservative videos are demonetized from YouTube, etc.? If you listen to their whining, you'd think that they were the only ones on the planet treated unfairly.

        Actually, there was an article the other day about how YouTube is drifting in a rightward direction. Is that due to persecution?

        It is true that conservative views are not as popular in the larger culture. But "not being popular" is not the same as being persecuted.

        I agree that it seems to be the leftist protestors who instigate more violence at protests than right-wing ones. There, they have a point. But on the rest, they should get in line with everyone else who is treated unfairly, and it's not just them.

  19. chemjeff   8 years ago

    "But the people they are appealing to have legitimate gripes, if they sometimes get expressed in ugly ways."

    Yes, they do. It is however quite galling to see how they choose to express their gripes.

    Do you remember, back in the early 90's or so, when the "crack epidemic" was the moral panic du jour? Democrats of course trotted out their usual suggestions of more government and more welfare in order to solve this 'problem'. But Republicans for the most part offered sanctimonious bromides about how inner city dwellers should just adopt the values and culture of successful suburbanites. You know, stay in school, work hard, yadda yadda. They'd point out the social pathologies that plagued inner city neighborhoods and say that these are the real problems, not lack of welfare. And they had a point. But fast forward to today, when many of those same social pathologies have now come to poor white neighborhoods, and not just limited to inner-city black neighborhoods, and the tone has changed considerably. Now they've adopted the Democrat position from the 90's - give us handouts and welfare, because we're hurting - but just for themselves. Likely these same people would still adopt the position from the 90's that the inner city neighborhoods shouldn't get more handouts and welfare. But now they can't use any sort of principle to hide behind to justify their position. Instead it's just the FYNQ principle.

    1. chemjeff   8 years ago

      And if struggling poor rural people adopt a position of "welfare for me, but not for thee" - how is this not an expression of some inherent type of privilege? I don't necessarily think it is "white privilege" per se, but I do think it is a type of "real Murican privilege", where the poor rural folk regard themselves as "real Muricans" and therefore worthy of handouts when they are hurting, but the welfare leeches in the inner city don't because they are inauthentically committed to what they believe are "real Murican values".

      1. Telcontar the Wanderer   8 years ago

        I think it's fair to point out that the Left has experienced an equal and opposite metamorphosis: still carrying water for the urban (non-white) poor, while suddenly finding a newfound contempt and dismissal for the rural white poor, usually manifesting in accusations of inbreeding, religious primitivism, firearm obsession, environmental crimes, and racial entitlement as alternative explanations for the economic suffering of Appalachia and the Rust Belt, as well as reasons to dismiss or revel in that suffering. As manifested in the seemingly now popular term "Lumpen" (as in lumpenproletariat), judging by the relatively few times I have ventured into the comment sections of Salon and Mother Jones.

    2. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

      today, when many of those same social pathologies have now come to poor white neighborhoods, and not just limited to inner-city black neighborhoods, and the tone has changed considerably. Now they've adopted the Democrat position from the 90's - give us handouts and welfare, because we're hurting

      Link to a Republican advocating for special welfare for rural whites, please.

      1. chemjeff   8 years ago

        But it's not framed in those terms, yet that's exactly what it is. That is why the cognitive dissonance works on the right. They can still pretend that they are in favor of pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps self-reliance even when they advocate for handouts for themselves.

        Look at Trump's protectionism and his border wall, which appeal to a great many on the right. They are a type of welfare for domestic workers, many of whom are low-skilled and failing to adapt to a global economy. It is the same *idea* as what the Democrats argue for, just implemented in a different way. The Democrats advocate for government transfer payments in order to assist struggling people. Trumpian Republicans advocate for government interferences in the economy and the labor market in order to assist struggling people. It is all just welfare by other names.

        1. chemjeff   8 years ago

          This is instructive: http://www.people-press.org/20.....-spending/

          If you look at the categories of spending that Republicans favor cutting, the ONLY ONE that receives a majority of support from Republicans is foreign aid. All the others, not even a majority of Republicans favor cutting. Not health care, not the hated EPA. The next closest one, at 44%, is "government assistance for the unemployed". And I'll tell you why: it is because modern Republicans no longer favor fiscal conservatism, but "fiscal moralism", that government spending should be directed only to those who are deemed morally worthy on some level. Foreigners - unworthy. Welfare leeches - unworthy. But the military, the vets, they are worthy, so spending on them should be increased. It also explains why minimum wage increases pass via referenda even in red states. Because the benefits from a higher minimum wage would go to hard-working people, not the unworthy leeches (or so it is believed, anyway).

  20. Dillinger   8 years ago

    after being a little vague in his condemnations over the weekend

    you sat around all weekend waiting for T to properly comment? it matters that much?

  21. Dillinger   8 years ago

    and since when is a libertarian hot dog stand allowed in Berkeley? did nobody know?

    1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      Everyone was always too desperate to get those wieners into their mouth to discern any cogent political philosophy of the store.

  22. Jerryskids   8 years ago

    The denunciation came on the heels of the CEO of pharmaceutical company Merck quitting Trump's manufacturing advisory council because he didn't like the way Trump reacted to the weekend's violence.

    Are you fucking kidding me? How did this little whiny bitch get to be CEO of Merck?

    1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

      By knowing when to fold 'em.

      1. Reality   8 years ago

        No one ever folded their way to a win.

  23. OM Nullum gratuitum prandium   8 years ago

    President Donald Trump today finally formally denounced white supremacist groups by name after being a little vague in his condemnations over the weekend.

    Finally! The president has shown all those suspicions and innuendo were completely malicious and off the mark! It is clear the man has no interest in being associated with such hateful individuals! Good for him!

    Trump told Fox News he's considering a pardon for former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, convicted of criminal contempt for defying judge's orders to stop doing patrols looking for illegal immigrants

    .
    Oh, well. So much for not wanting to be associated with hateful individuals....

  24. OM Nullum gratuitum prandium   8 years ago

    Bitcoin's value is skyrocketing again, topping a record of $4,300 today.

    Bubble,
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    ,
    Toil and Trouble!

  25. OM Nullum gratuitum prandium   8 years ago

    A libertarian hot dog shop has fired a worker who was identified among as being among the white nationalist protesters in Charlottesville. Surprising detail: The hot dog shop is in Berkeley, California.

    A Libetarian Hot Dog stand is one where you can buy a hot dog and they will defend your liberty to pay for it and eat it.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      "Wieners without Coercion"

      1. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

        Take a NAP

    2. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

      I assumed that the hot dogs were made from libertarian entrails.

  26. Ecoli   8 years ago

    The mistake the hot dog worker made was not wearing a mask and carrying a club like the peaceful antifa protestors do.

  27. Agammamon   8 years ago

    A libertarian hot dog shop

    So, its all made from sawdust and cow lips? Or *real* dog?

  28. Liberty =><= Equality   8 years ago

    Breaking: Charlottesville will not take down statue. Current plan is to build even bigger Frederick Douglass statue behind the Lee statue, engaged in the act of anally raping it.

    1. chemjeff   8 years ago

      They should just put up a giant Nelson Muntz statue behind it, pointing and laughing.

  29. damikesc   8 years ago

    President Donald Trump today finally formally denounced white supremacist groups by name after being a little vague in his condemnations over the weekend.

    Again "all hate groups" pretty well discusses all of them. It takes a special level of stupid to assume he didn't mean supremacists.

    Yeah, that libertarian moment is right around the corner.

  30. Hank Phillips   8 years ago

    What terrible precedent! If implementers of a Planned Economy simply start quitting, what's to stop the myrmidons of Faith-Based national socialism from handing back the power and money assigned to them by George Waffen Bush? J Beauregard Sessions might recuse himself from enforcing sumptuary laws... it'd be anarchy!

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