Trump Denounces Racists, Attacks Drug Company CEO Who Quit Council, Suggests Possible Pardon for Arpaio: P.M. Links

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Albemarle Charlottesville Regional County Jail President Donald Trump today finally formally denounced white supremacist groups by name after being a little vague in his condemnations over the weekend.
- The denunciation came on the heels of the CEO of pharmaceutical company Merck quitting Trump's manufacturing advisory council because he didn't like the way Trump reacted to the weekend's violence. Trump responded by attacking him and Merck on Twitter.
- James Alex Fields Jr., the 20-year-old Ohio man accused of driving the car in the Charlottesville, Virginia, attack on Saturday, has been denied bail. He's accused of second-degree murder and other charges.
- A libertarian hot dog shop has fired a worker who was identified among as being among the white nationalist protesters in Charlottesville. Surprising detail: The hot dog shop is in Berkeley, California.
- Trump told Fox News he's considering a pardon for former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, convicted of criminal contempt for defying judge's orders to stop doing patrols looking for illegal immigrants.
- Bitcoin's value is skyrocketing again, topping a record of $4,300 today.
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President Donald Trump today finally formally denounced white supremacist groups by name today after being a little vague in his condemnations over the weekend.
What did the president know was racist and when did he know it?
I have not been outraged since Saturday. Any ideas?
What are you? Too lazy to join Twitter?
Its been two days,. Is it time to resurrect the N Korea crisis, or perhaps dust off some tranny civil rights abuses? We haven't heard about trump having sex with Putin in a week.
A race riot normally only gets 2 days.
Not the 1992 LA race riot. Doubt it? Have you heard of OJ?
He didn't know it fast enough therefore OUTRAGE!
What difference, at this point,.....
Hello.
Everyone has lost their minds edition part deux.
He is also planning tomorrow to denounce cancer. A little too late for Almanian, Mr. President.
If I recall correctly, our fellow H&R commentator's moniker was "Almanian!".
Trump responded by attacking him and Merck on Twitter.
Trump was going to fire him anyway. Loser.
WTF is a libertarian hot dog shop?!?!? What makes it libertarian?
The following quotes are from the article for which Scott provided a link.
The shop has a political bent of its own, as it's well-known in Berkeley for the libertarian stickers and articles posted on its walls, and website.
After being "inundated with inquiries," his former employer, Top Dog, in downtown Berkeley, posted a sign on its door that reads: "Effective Saturday 12th August, Cole White no longer works at Top Dog. The actions of those in Charlottesville are not supported by Top Dog. We believe in individual freedom and voluntary association for everyone," multiple news outlets reported.
Oops - my post was intended to answer colorblind's question posed at 4:30.
Who the hell is Cole White?
Ok, I guess he is a racist. Dumbass. Of course you are gonna get fired for going to those rallies.
Snow White's and Coal Black's grandson?
OMG! That would make him a Grey!
We believe in individual freedom and voluntary association for everyone
as long as "everyone" protests what we protest
WTF is a libertarian hot dog shop?!?!? What makes it libertarian?
Why would you put that on your sign?
Come enjoy dinner at my "I severely disagree with a certain group of people" restaurant.
I believe it's because they adhere to the Non-Aggression (with Ketchup) Principle
Libertarian hot dogs in Berkeley are violence, just like words.
KETCHUP IS MURDER
They don't believe onions are a proper hot dog topping. I'm issuing a fatwa.
An unlicensed stand ran by a Mexican pole and pot smoker?
No - those are in Oakland.
The hot dogs have a 2 percent chance of winning hot dog contests.
Every item involves white bread, weenies.
The hot dogs themselves are libertarian
Trump told Fox News he's considering a pardon for former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio...
So he's going to be ahead of Obama in pardons and commutations at this point in his presidency?
I think Trump wakes up early every morning to have time to contemplate "how I can raise the bar for awful today".
I consider this to be a significantly more important point of discussion then whether he denounced nationalists enough. Arpaio is a piece of shit, who was found guilty of distorting the legal system. Pardoning him would be an affront.
A libertarian hot dog shop has fired a worker who was identified among as being among the white nationalist protesters in Charlottesville.
Too bad it wasn't a union shop.
I would sue as a cis racist.
I thought all hot dogs were anarcho-syndicalists.
It's Vienna sausage that has the wobblies.
lol Gotta keep an eye on that Bratwurst.
But do they adhere to the Frankfurter school?
Damn. Who knew hot dogs were so rich in ideological puns AND nitrates?
"Libertarian Hot Dog" was my water skiing name in college.
Surprising detail: The hot dog shop is in Berkeley, California.
Libertarians and sausage are two things you do not want to see being made.
One takes too many lips, the other too many assholes.
++ 1
Funny how professors bashing people in the head with a bike lock doesn't elicit anger from people like that pharma guy.
Such integrity.
Why would he have resigned over what happened at Berkeley?
What does the CEO of Merchk have to do with Berkeley?
I don't know, but I guess he's supposed to be angry at Trump for what happened there? You're the one implying he's a hypocrite for not doing... something after the antifa violence.
I just know Elon Musk is involved in this somehow.
Are you always this ridiculous?
What is your complaint, then? And how is it that you know the CEO of Merck was not also angered by what happened in Berkeley? How could he have registered his anger strongly enough for him to pass your consistency test?
Never mind.
Can someone help me here because he's not making any sense to me.
I'm gonna try and speak Canadian:
MY POINT. WAS. THESE PEOPLE ACTING ALL INDIGNANT. WHERE. WERE THEY. WHEN ANTIFA COMMITS VIOLENT. ACTS. ?
Just like the protestors were the ones who started provoking those dopey white supremacists.
My pointing to that asshole professor was just an example. Try and be a little more nuanced and not be picky for its own sake.
/slap.
Ehh, what are you sayin der?
Maybe because this Merck CEO wasn't *working for Berkeley* at the time?
Whereas he *was* working for, and thus associating himself with, Trump at this time?
Again, why would the Merck CEO comment about what happened at Berkeley?
His beef is not with James Alex Fields or the marchers in Charlottesville. It's with Trump, the man who he agreed to advise.
customers.
The hot dog shop is in Berkeley, California.
I imagine Sauerkraut is about as close as you can get to Nazi Germany in Berkeley.
Unless you count antifa protests.
A libertarian hot dog shop has fired a worker
His name is Cole White? Come on, really?
Or Wei?kohl in German. You can't make this stuff up.
Wouldn't that mean "white lettuce?" I was going to make a joke about him getting fed up with the cole slaw at work, but couldn't think of one.
Cabbage. It's cabbage.
+1 Reality Winner.
That whole story was fishy as fuck.
Letter: Family denounces Tefft's racist rhetoric and actions
Virtue signalling cuck.
"Some of my best friends are of every race, gender and creed."
Good grief it's come to this.
I happen to personally be of every race, gender and creed, myself. People seek out my friendship all. the. time.
Ah yes, the black friend fallacy. Just because you have a black friend does not mean you are not racist.
Why must we be guilty by association?
Someone apparently doesn't know their fellow leftists very well.
He's disavowing racism, so he must be leftist.
He's disavowing racism, so he must be leftist.
He also doesn't seem to realize that it doesn't matter, one of his relatives is and so his fellow travelers consider him to be equally culpable.
Who are his fellow travelers?
Fargoans? Fargites?
Did you not see this part?
His hateful opinions are bringing hateful rhetoric to his siblings, cousins, nieces and nephews as well as his parents.
I realize you're just being passive-aggressive, but at least try to remember what you quoted not even two hours ago.
I did, and I misunderstood your use of "fellow."
Sorry.
No worries. It's H'n'R town.
Peter Tefft, my son, is not welcome at our family gatherings any longer.
I think that's fucked up. That's pretty intense for direct family to do. Even Jeffrey Dahmer's parents didn't disown him. Also, doing something as incredibly personal as this in a public venue. I can understand writing something to disown his views, particularly as they were apparently receiving threats for it (Which, of course if offensive in of itself, and shows those people to be monstrous, but violence and rape is all good as long as you're beating up someone you dislike a lot).
The rest they say is too personal. It is gross and the mother showed herself of being of low class herself.
You kidding? As harsh as what they said was, it's still probably not harsh enough to get the leftists to stop threatening them.
I just can't imagine making family interaction so social like this. I think maybe I have an extreme urge towards privacy, but still it seems too public.
The irony of her quoting the Prodigal Son is that the father was always willing to welcome the son back regardless. He never once kicked him out or disowned him; the son ran away and then came back.
Also, fucking equating herself to God Almighty has to be peak shitlibism.
Every race? In Fargo? I smell bullshit.
Swedes, Germans, Danes - all of 'em!
Going off memory, they have at a minimum a Japanese American, a black guy, and a Native American (granted, he later poses as white).
yeah but the Japanese guy was nuts, the Native American was an ex-con and the Swede was a guy way ahead of a meme, It was left to the woman to unravel the whole thing so obviously it is non-patriarchal (except the bald guy who's very patriarchal). Don't recall a black guy, maybe he was left in the snow?
I was including the TV show.
I forgot about the Native American in the movie. Doi!
The city's about 88 percent white-bread, so there have to be a few there, at least.
That shop might want to think twice about putting up that sign in Berkeley saying they believe in individual freedom of association.
Individual freedom and voluntary exchange are core to the philosophy of Top Dog.
Ok, that's nice and all, but should a hot dog shop really have a philosophy?
hot dog shops are buddhist. They'll make you one with everything.
They'll make you one with everything.
Stormy,
I think we may have heard a similar joke.
The Discordian religion mandates eating a hot dog on Fridays.
It's Berkeley. Even the homeless people have "philosophies."
It amazing the shop's still standing when they make statements like:
Lucky for them, nobody in Berkley bothers to actually read anything.
HazelMeade hardest hit.
So one can believe in freedom of association, but they're not allowed to actually exercise freedom of association? What sort of collectivist unierse do you live in where that makes sense?
Kudos to Top Dog for exercising their fundamental and unalienable right of disassociation!
Huh? Both the shop and the employee exercised their freedom of association.
Ah, I see. I think you read past the "in Berkeley" part. I was just half joking. You'd think they might get very little business or maybe something worse.
I don't want the state or the president or legislatures criticizing citizens for exercising their civil rights like freedom of belief, right to protest, etc - REGARDLESS of how despicable those belief maybe.
By aiming a strong critique at people MERELY because they believe in fascism or racism or whatever undermines our civil rights in these areas.
The call by the left for precisely the state to call people out for their beliefs shows us who the intolerant jerks are in this society.
Obama was allowed to get away with condemning "violent extremism" in response to radical islamic terrorism his whole time in office, not getting any more specific; Trump is expected to condemn by name every specific ideology and proponent thereof within a couple of hours of the attacks or else he's racist.
The goalpost is simply set just beyond whatever Trump does. They have article templates and just fill in the details when stuff happens.
Time required for Trump to denounce Nazis: 48 hours
Time required for Trump to denounce Merck CEO: 57 minutes
Well, he took it personally.
Sadly, I really do think this is the correct answer.
If, at the rally, Richard Spencer had insulted Trump personally by name, Trump would have denounced him and all of the alt-right so fast...
I was disappointed as well, I was hoping for under 45 minutes. Maybe next time.
Time required for Obama to denounce Radical Islam: 8 years and counting
The first time anyone self-identified as "libertarian" ever voluntarily disassociated themselves from racist pukes. Usually there's just hand wringing about "but if we kick out the nazis who will attend out meetups?"
Congrats! The movement is not so desperate for members that it needs to keep apologizing the dregs of society.
The first time anyone self-identified as "libertarian" ever voluntarily disassociated themselves from racist pukes.
Wow. First time? What a momentous occasion.
There's a big distinction between supporting a group or individual and supporting their civil rights - at least for me
Go to a libertarian meetup. The numbers of quacks, kooks, conspiracy mongers is staggering. But enough about the harmless eccentrics, there's also the racists. They never got called out. Look at them funny and they whip out the old "Ron Paul says it's impossible to be racist and a libertarian", and then keep talking about how the Confederacy was libertarian in its fundamentals.
Hey man, I dissociated myself publicly from these racists fucks yesterday. I win! I wiiiin!
Good thing we can count on Brandybuck to be the overseer of all libertarian interpersonal transactions in the history of the known Universe.
Now if someone will just speak up for the multiverse...
After Charlottesville, Mayor Plans To Remove Baltimore's Confederate Monuments
"We have identified cemeteries where confederate soldiers have been buried," Pugh said in the statement. "Among the identified cemeteries are the Washington Confederate Cemetery in Hagerstown, Maryland and the Point Lookout Confederate Commentary in Scotland, Maryland. We will inquire as to their willingness to accept the monuments and prepare agreements for the transfer."
"After that, all the vandalism and human excrement are their problem."
And if they refuse?
So I read some commentary on a few right-wing sites about the Chaos In Charlottesville(tm) over the weekend.
There seems to be a pretty strong theme that even if the racist white nationalists are disgusting, that they should be treated as allies nonetheless, because at least they are Fighting The Left, and that if they join in with the denunciation of the Nazis, then that puts them on the same side as The Media (can't have that), and that if they let the Left "get" the Nazis, then they will be next themselves to be lined up against the proverbial wall.
And it struck me, that there's a strong sentiment on the right which really does contend - without any irony - that they are a persecuted minority. That, like the persecuted minorities on the Left, they have to engage in their own version of "intersectionality" and find common cause with the racists and bigots and Nazis and white supremacists. Because if they don't, they really will be oppressed into oblivion, divided and conquered by The Left which is supposed to represent some form of Neo-Stalinism.
And it's just really difficult for me to wrap my mind around this level of persecution complex that they have adopted. Republicans control the levers of power in this country, from top to bottom. Even when they win elections, they still feel like oppressed victims. I don't get it. I really don't.
Attributing the logic of the extremes of either side to the entirety of that side is not a useful exercise.
And pointing out logical inconsistencies in the thinking of either side is like shooting fish in a barrel. No, it's easier than shooting fish in a barrel. It's like the rabbit hunt portion of the Monty Python Twit of the Year Contest.
Well I thought I made it clear that I don't attribute this position to everyone on the right. I said it was a strong theme, instead.
What does "strong theme " mean for you in this context.
More than just a handful.
I didn't take a scientific poll or anything. But it didn't seem to be a fringe view.
I think you're over-dualizing.
As an example, I recently had a conversation with my progressive brother who started by asserting that gentrification is an awful thing that must be stopped in the name of justice, but then in the course of the very same conversation asserted that if it happens in a white neighborhood, it doesn't really count as gentrification and represents progress, really.
What he misses, I think, is that the poor white people in those neighborhoods aren't particularly comforted by the fact that the rich neighborhoods are full of white people. What they hear is "fuck you and your problems, you're being punished because you share skin color with people who are wealthy and powerful, so us fucking you up the ass for no reason is Justice!"
Poor, uneducated white people actually are a persecuted minority at this point, and for the most no one cares at all about them and tells them that they're being evil and racist for pointing out that it's fucked up to treat them that way.
Republicans play to this crowd because these people naturally hate Democrats with a blind passion. For the Republican Party to posture as a persecuted minority is just as ridiculous as when Democrats do it. But the people they are appealing to have legitimate gripes, if they sometimes get expressed in ugly ways.
Bingo Ringo.
I would add that groups that collectivizes are on the left side of the political spectrum.
Antifa and white-supremacists are cut from the same cloth.
Antifa may *say* they're righteous and for justice (the other side does it as well) but that means shit.
I don't see much of that anyway. I do see loads of violent actions and rhetoric though under the guise of being self-righteous.
Poor people are always the most hated demographic. People play it up like they like the poor, but really most everyone seems offended by all aspects of their life. People will play lip-service to liking them, but they openly disdain everything that they stand for as well.
My experience is that many evangelicals and fundamentalist Christians seem to glorify and indulge the state of being a victim. Martyrdom isn't just for Islamists. Team Red is has more than it's share of such people. No surprise that they bring delusion to their politics.
RINOs, duh.
i didn't know we still had nazis...idiots.
What else would you call it when they get banned from online platforms for expressing their views, get doxxed by leftists and have their lives ruined, get falsely accused of violating terms of service and get their YT videos demonetized, etc. And when they try to have a rally (not just these fuckwad neonazis, even pro-Trump rallies) the leftists show up in masks and try to beat them up while the cops are ordered to stand back and watch.
No, it's not Jim Crow level persecution, but it is persecution.
I acknowledge all of that happens. But do the 'persecuted' conservatives believe that it only happens to them? Only conservatives are banned from online forums, only conservative videos are demonetized from YouTube, etc.? If you listen to their whining, you'd think that they were the only ones on the planet treated unfairly.
Actually, there was an article the other day about how YouTube is drifting in a rightward direction. Is that due to persecution?
It is true that conservative views are not as popular in the larger culture. But "not being popular" is not the same as being persecuted.
I agree that it seems to be the leftist protestors who instigate more violence at protests than right-wing ones. There, they have a point. But on the rest, they should get in line with everyone else who is treated unfairly, and it's not just them.
"But the people they are appealing to have legitimate gripes, if they sometimes get expressed in ugly ways."
Yes, they do. It is however quite galling to see how they choose to express their gripes.
Do you remember, back in the early 90's or so, when the "crack epidemic" was the moral panic du jour? Democrats of course trotted out their usual suggestions of more government and more welfare in order to solve this 'problem'. But Republicans for the most part offered sanctimonious bromides about how inner city dwellers should just adopt the values and culture of successful suburbanites. You know, stay in school, work hard, yadda yadda. They'd point out the social pathologies that plagued inner city neighborhoods and say that these are the real problems, not lack of welfare. And they had a point. But fast forward to today, when many of those same social pathologies have now come to poor white neighborhoods, and not just limited to inner-city black neighborhoods, and the tone has changed considerably. Now they've adopted the Democrat position from the 90's - give us handouts and welfare, because we're hurting - but just for themselves. Likely these same people would still adopt the position from the 90's that the inner city neighborhoods shouldn't get more handouts and welfare. But now they can't use any sort of principle to hide behind to justify their position. Instead it's just the FYNQ principle.
And if struggling poor rural people adopt a position of "welfare for me, but not for thee" - how is this not an expression of some inherent type of privilege? I don't necessarily think it is "white privilege" per se, but I do think it is a type of "real Murican privilege", where the poor rural folk regard themselves as "real Muricans" and therefore worthy of handouts when they are hurting, but the welfare leeches in the inner city don't because they are inauthentically committed to what they believe are "real Murican values".
I think it's fair to point out that the Left has experienced an equal and opposite metamorphosis: still carrying water for the urban (non-white) poor, while suddenly finding a newfound contempt and dismissal for the rural white poor, usually manifesting in accusations of inbreeding, religious primitivism, firearm obsession, environmental crimes, and racial entitlement as alternative explanations for the economic suffering of Appalachia and the Rust Belt, as well as reasons to dismiss or revel in that suffering. As manifested in the seemingly now popular term "Lumpen" (as in lumpenproletariat), judging by the relatively few times I have ventured into the comment sections of Salon and Mother Jones.
today, when many of those same social pathologies have now come to poor white neighborhoods, and not just limited to inner-city black neighborhoods, and the tone has changed considerably. Now they've adopted the Democrat position from the 90's - give us handouts and welfare, because we're hurting
Link to a Republican advocating for special welfare for rural whites, please.
But it's not framed in those terms, yet that's exactly what it is. That is why the cognitive dissonance works on the right. They can still pretend that they are in favor of pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps self-reliance even when they advocate for handouts for themselves.
Look at Trump's protectionism and his border wall, which appeal to a great many on the right. They are a type of welfare for domestic workers, many of whom are low-skilled and failing to adapt to a global economy. It is the same *idea* as what the Democrats argue for, just implemented in a different way. The Democrats advocate for government transfer payments in order to assist struggling people. Trumpian Republicans advocate for government interferences in the economy and the labor market in order to assist struggling people. It is all just welfare by other names.
This is instructive: http://www.people-press.org/20.....-spending/
If you look at the categories of spending that Republicans favor cutting, the ONLY ONE that receives a majority of support from Republicans is foreign aid. All the others, not even a majority of Republicans favor cutting. Not health care, not the hated EPA. The next closest one, at 44%, is "government assistance for the unemployed". And I'll tell you why: it is because modern Republicans no longer favor fiscal conservatism, but "fiscal moralism", that government spending should be directed only to those who are deemed morally worthy on some level. Foreigners - unworthy. Welfare leeches - unworthy. But the military, the vets, they are worthy, so spending on them should be increased. It also explains why minimum wage increases pass via referenda even in red states. Because the benefits from a higher minimum wage would go to hard-working people, not the unworthy leeches (or so it is believed, anyway).
after being a little vague in his condemnations over the weekend
you sat around all weekend waiting for T to properly comment? it matters that much?
and since when is a libertarian hot dog stand allowed in Berkeley? did nobody know?
Everyone was always too desperate to get those wieners into their mouth to discern any cogent political philosophy of the store.
The denunciation came on the heels of the CEO of pharmaceutical company Merck quitting Trump's manufacturing advisory council because he didn't like the way Trump reacted to the weekend's violence.
Are you fucking kidding me? How did this little whiny bitch get to be CEO of Merck?
By knowing when to fold 'em.
No one ever folded their way to a win.
Finally! The president has shown all those suspicions and innuendo were completely malicious and off the mark! It is clear the man has no interest in being associated with such hateful individuals! Good for him!
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Oh, well. So much for not wanting to be associated with hateful individuals....
Bubble,
Bubble,
Toil and Trouble!
A Libetarian Hot Dog stand is one where you can buy a hot dog and they will defend your liberty to pay for it and eat it.
"Wieners without Coercion"
Take a NAP
I assumed that the hot dogs were made from libertarian entrails.
The mistake the hot dog worker made was not wearing a mask and carrying a club like the peaceful antifa protestors do.
So, its all made from sawdust and cow lips? Or *real* dog?
Breaking: Charlottesville will not take down statue. Current plan is to build even bigger Frederick Douglass statue behind the Lee statue, engaged in the act of anally raping it.
They should just put up a giant Nelson Muntz statue behind it, pointing and laughing.
President Donald Trump today finally formally denounced white supremacist groups by name after being a little vague in his condemnations over the weekend.
Again "all hate groups" pretty well discusses all of them. It takes a special level of stupid to assume he didn't mean supremacists.
Yeah, that libertarian moment is right around the corner.
What terrible precedent! If implementers of a Planned Economy simply start quitting, what's to stop the myrmidons of Faith-Based national socialism from handing back the power and money assigned to them by George Waffen Bush? J Beauregard Sessions might recuse himself from enforcing sumptuary laws... it'd be anarchy!
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