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Trump Call Transcripts Leaked, Sessions Threatens Sanctuary City Grant Funds, Grand Jury in Russia Probe: P.M. Links

Scott Shackford | 8.3.2017 4:30 PM

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    The full transcripts of telephone calls between President Donald Trump and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull have been leaked to the Washington Post and published. They show Trump trying to get Peña Nieto to stop saying Mexico won't pay for the wall because it's hurting him politically and complaining to Turnbull about a deal between America and Australia to consider taking some refugees off Australia's hands. Trump does not seem to understand in the call that he does not actually have to let any of them in, just promise to vet them for consideration. He also clearly doesn't understand what a trade deficit means (that we're sending money to other countries in exchange for goods), but that's a fairly established flaw at this point.

  • Sources say a grand jury has been empaneled by special counsel Robert Mueller to investigate allegations that Russia attempted to meddle with in the 2016 elections.
  • Attorney General Jeff Sessions is offering to "help" a handful of high-crime cities by threatening to deny them access to a new federal law enforcement grant program if they don't help enforce immigration laws by giving the feds access to their jails and 48 hours notice before releasing any prisoners immigration officials want to deport. The four cities he's targeting are Baltimore, Albuquerque, New Mexico, and Stockton and San Bernardino in California.
  • The woman who successfully convinced her boyfriend via texting to kill himself when they were both teens has been sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison for involuntary manslaughter.
  • Sources say West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice will be announcing tonight at a Trump rally that he's switching parties from Democrat to Republican.
  • Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg has hired former Hillary Clinton pollster Joel Benenson, fueling more speculation about Zuckerberg's political ambitions.
  • Health insurer Aetna is pulling out of the Obamacare exchanges by 2018.
  • The Senate has approved "right to try" legislation that allow people with life-threatening illnesses easier access to experimental medications that haven't received full Food and Drug Administration approval yet.
  • Bitcoin has split into two virtual currencies with the introduction of "Bitcoin cash."

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Sources say a grand jury has been empaneled by special counsel Robert Mueller to investigate allegations that Russia attempted to meddle with in the 2016 elections.

    A vast everywing conspiracy.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    They show Trump trying to get Pe?a Nieto to stop saying Mexico won't pay for the wall because it's hurting him politically and complaining to Turnbull about a deal between America and Australia to consider taking some refugees [off] Australia's hands.

    It's called negotiations but really, the president shouldn't be going on the record talking about hands.

  3. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg has hired former Hillary Clinton pollster Joel Benenson, fueling more speculation about Zuckerberg's political ambitions.

    Well, now that it's clear that just anyone can become president...

    1. $park? leftist poser   8 years ago

      First executive order, every new law is voted on by Likes.

      1. Scarecrow Repair & Chippering   8 years ago

        One of my pet fantasies for legislatures is that every legislator can publish his bills, and if 2/3 of other legislators in each chamber approve the bill within 30 days, it becomes law. No committees, floor votes, etc. Any revision of a bill restarts its review period. Of course, parties could still withhold party support from any legislator who didn't follow the party line, but they wouldn't be able to change the procedure without amending the Constitution.

        Likes is a pretty good word for it.

    2. Scarecrow Repair & Chippering   8 years ago

      You could say that a Zuckerberg election would ... trump ... all previous lows.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions is offering to "help" a handful of high-crime cities by threatening to deny them access to a new federal law enforcement grant program...

    It's a libertarian moment if they decide to eschew the federal teat altogether.

    1. Brian   8 years ago

      Couldn't he just count likes?

    2. Jerryskids   8 years ago

      Offering the gangs a position as federal liaisons would be libertarian. You send ICE, we send Ice Pick, we'll see who's the better negotiator.

  5. Unicorn Abattoir   8 years ago

    ?The woman who successfully convinced her boyfriend via texting to kill himself when they were both teens has been sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison for involuntary manslaughter.

    two-and-a-half years too many.

    1. Elias Fakaname   8 years ago

      It's better for her than his family waiting a bit and then having her killed to get their justice.

    2. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

      Can you imagine if, for example, an internet commenter said someone deserved to be thrown into a woodchipper, and then that person throws themselves into a woodchipper?

      It's a dangerous, slippery slope we're on

  6. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    The woman who successfully convinced her boyfriend via texting to kill himself when they were both teens has been sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison for involuntary manslaughter.

    Take note that words literally are violence.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      I heard a quote on the radio that said, "All she had to do was say no." I really wonder if it's true. I feel like a guy who would kill himself because someone said so, was probably a bit down the path of killing himself regardless.

  7. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

    Trump does not seem to understand

    Other then manipulating the media and filing Chapter 11 what has the Con Man ever understood correctly?

    1. Elias Fakaname   8 years ago

      You're so clever! Oh wait...... no, no you're not. You're just a fucking idiot. Sorry to confuse you there for a moment, thinking someone might validate your idiocy.

      1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

        You are a dumbass Trump-tard.

        The Con Man won't last his term.

        1. Elias Fakaname   8 years ago

          If you fags try and overthrow him, it will be the last thing you ever do. Progtards will be wiped off the map.

          1. loveconstitution1789   8 years ago

            The lefties don't seem to understand that trying a coup against Trump will acknowledge that our country is so corrupt, that even elections cannot work to put someone in office that is willing to dismantle government.

            What's the point then? It would time to water the Tree of Liberty and start over with the Constitution as the supreme law.

    2. ChipToBeSquare   8 years ago

      Hitler?

    3. Chip Woodier   8 years ago

      The will of the American public?

  8. LynchPin1477   8 years ago

    The full transcripts of telephone calls between President Donald Trump and Mexican President Enrique Pe?a Nieto and Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull have been leaked

    I'd pay good money to read the transcripts of what these guys said about Trump after the calls were over. Their reactions would be comedy gold.

    1. Jerryskids   8 years ago

      How did Trump communicate with either Nieto or Turnbull? I'm pretty sure he doesn't speak either one of them's language.

      1. $park? leftist poser   8 years ago

        He talked Alpha at them and they understood.

      2. Homple   8 years ago

        "either one of them's language"

        What language do you speak?

        1. Jerryskids   8 years ago

          I speak American, motherfucker. You can't tell from the way I say "either one of them's language" the way a regular American talks? I suppose you're going to tell me that's the sort of ungrammatical impropriety up with which you shall not put.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Sources say West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice will be announcing tonight at a Trump rally that he's switching parties from Democrat to Republican.

    Now that's a man with a wet finger in the air. And a great name.

    1. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

      Just don't ask how that finger got wet.

    2. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      Reminds me of our old local conservative talk show host in my town. Jon Justice.

  10. Gojira   8 years ago

    Fuck all this political bullshit. The only thing in life that actually matters (college football) had a big news story today.

    First coach's poll released. Discuss.

    http://sportspolls.usatoday.co.....ches-poll/

    1. $park? leftist poser   8 years ago

      College football... that's the version where monkeys dance around trying to fuck the football, right?

    2. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

      Correction - Football (pro is better) and pussy are all that matters.

      1. Brian   8 years ago

        Don't pretend you're not a bottom, Buttug.

        1. Domestic Dissident   8 years ago

          No kidding. No woman would ever voluntarily get within ten yards of the asshole Dave Weigel, much less actually give him some.

          1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

            Simple Mikey, don't pretend you are not a Log Cabin GOP Gay-Fag.

          2. Telcontar the Wanderer   8 years ago

            Aww! Dum-Dee, who is now too old and frail to even get within ten yards of a girl *involuntarily*, is jealous!

        2. Elias Fakaname   8 years ago

          He's a sloppy bottom, taking on all cummers. The bigger the better.

    3. LynchPin1477   8 years ago

      Nice to see my Nittany Lions with a top 10 preseason ranking.

      Can anyone explain to me how Texas got into the top 25??

      1. Gojira   8 years ago

        I think several are badly overrated *coughAuburncough* but that Texas ranking after a 5-7 season, even with a coaching change, is a goddamned crime against humanity.

      2. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

        Same way the 3rd best Team in the B1G East Division somehow got ranked.

    4. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

      If there is anyone more unqualified to judge the relative strengths of all the Div I, it is the current coaches. How can they make judgement on teams from across the cointrt their team is not going to play?

    5. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

      UGA at #15 with a Sep 9 game at Notre Dame.

      I'll be betting against my alma if its even money.

      1. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

        I'll be betting against my alma if its even money.

        You apparently understand the modern landscape of college football about as well as you understand the stock market.

    6. some guy   8 years ago

      ohlookalabamaisnumberonewhatasurprise.

      Dynasties are boooooooring.

    7. Jerryskids   8 years ago

      Coach's polls are about useless - if you're concentrating 90 hours a week on your own team and whoever you're playing next week, what the hell do you know about some team outside your own conference that you're never going to play? The average sportswriter knows more about more teams than the average coach does and the average sportswriter is a moron.

      1. Eek Barba Durkle   8 years ago

        Coaches rarely fill out their brackets. If they were being honest, it would be called the SIDs' Rankings.

        1. Eek Barba Durkle   8 years ago

          And, obviously, 'brackets' is a perfectly good word to use in place of 'ballots'.

      2. Gojira   8 years ago

        I agree about the general uselessness of polls particularly before week 4 or so.

        However, it is discussion fodder for one of my favorite things, so I post it.

        1. Jerryskids   8 years ago

          I only halfway pay attention to college football (mostly rooting for TOSU and whoever's playing against any of the Florida teams - cheaters and criminals, ptooey), it's too annoying to watch a game where only 5 or 6 players are really good and too much of the game comes down to whichever team has the fewest bone-headed plays. As bad as a match-up in the NFL may be, at least every guy on the team is good enough to play in the NFL. You just don't see the really bad mistakes being made like you see in the college game. I suppose that may make the game more fun when only some of the players are professionals, gives it a greater element of luck, but I'd rather watch an expert performance.

          1. Eek Barba Durkle   8 years ago

            TOSU and whoever's playing against any of the Florida teams - cheaters and criminals, ptooey

            *AHEM*

            /Hogfan

  11. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    The woman who successfully convinced her boyfriend via texting to kill himself when they were both teens has been sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison for involuntary manslaughter.

    That's almost six months per pound of eyebrow.

    1. Zeb   8 years ago

      Holy crap, you aren't kidding.

      Involuntary manslaughter seems like an odd charge. If it was manslaughter or murder of any kind (which I am not convinced of at all), it seems pretty voluntary and intended. Perhaps I don't understand the legal term of art properly.

      1. mad.casual   8 years ago

        Here, lemme help; agency.

  12. $park? leftist poser   8 years ago

    The woman who successfully convinced her boyfriend via texting to kill himself when they were both teens has been sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison for involuntary manslaughter.

    I guess nobody can say "it's not against the law to be a crazy bitch" anymore.

  13. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    The guy who stopped the WannaCry malware attack in May was arrested leaving DEF CON.

    On Wednesday, US authorities detained a researcher who goes by the handle MalwareTech, best known for stopping the spread of the WannaCry ransomware virus.

    In May, WannaCry infected hospitals in the UK, a Spanish telecommunications company, and other targets in Russia, Turkey, Germany, Vietnam, and more. Marcus Hutchins, a researcher from cybersecurity firm Kryptos Logic, inadvertently stopped WannaCry in its tracks by registering a specific website domain included in the malware's code.

    Hutchins was arrested for allegedly creating the Kronos banking malware.

    1. Rhywun   8 years ago

      Yeah I knew the original "hero" story was BS.

  14. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

    NBA superstar Steph Curry is playing in a mini-tour golf event and is a 3000-1 bet to win in Vegas.

    http://www.espn.com/golf/story.....ae-classic

    Good for him and the sponsor. I hope he breaks 90.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      I hope he wins. I placed a billion dollars on him, so if he wins I will put a small dent into paying the national debt.

      1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

        74!

        http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....ae-classic

  15. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Health insurer Aetna is pulling out of the Obamacare exchanges by 2018.

    Always pull out before you explode.

    1. $park? leftist poser   8 years ago

      Especially if you put a sticker on the tip.

    2. Bob K   8 years ago

      And the Catholic Church was worried about their preferred birth control method under Obamacare.

    3. some guy   8 years ago

      The exchanges are almost as empty as a Venezuelan grocery store...

    4. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

      How can I get

      What if there was a healthcare exchange and no insurance companies showed up?

      to fit on a T shirt?

  16. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    The Senate has approved "right to try" legislation that allow people with life-threatening illnesses easier access to experimental medications that haven't received full Food and Drug Administration approval yet.

    WTF. My worldview has been rocked.

    1. Mickey Rat   8 years ago

      The British mefucal community strongly objects.

  17. Square = Circle   8 years ago

    "I'm going to rub your face in this toilet bowl, and you're going to like it."

    "No I'm not."

    "Yes, you will."

    "No, I won't."

    "Look. I've already told everybody back home that you're going to like it and thank me for it. Can you at least do me a solid and pretend? You're making me look weak."

    1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      I actually find this charming. He's so disarmingly open about his feelings for a politician. He's so damn human compared to most candidates. All I can do is shake my head at stuff like this and chuckle.

  18. mad.casual   8 years ago

    Bitcoin has split into two virtual currencies with the introduction of "Bitcoin cash."

    Now with twice the Fiat-crushing power!

  19. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Bitcoin has split into two virtual currencies with the introduction of "Bitcoin cash."

    There's already a Bitcash.

  20. Square = Circle   8 years ago

    The four cities he's targeting are Baltimore, Albuquerque, New Mexico, and Stockton and San Bernardino in California.

    Stockton and San Berdoo. Liberal hotbeds if there ever were any.

  21. Fist of Etiquette   8 years ago

    Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg has hired former Hillary Clinton pollster Joel Benenson, fueling more speculation about Zuckerberg's political ambitions.

    I'll wait to see where he falls on Farmville subsidies.

  22. Citizen X - #6   8 years ago

    They show Trump trying to get Pe?a Nieto to stop saying Mexico won't pay for the wall because it's hurting him politically and complaining to Turnbull about a deal between America and Australia to consider taking some refugees off Australia's hands. Trump does not seem to understand in the call that he does not actually have to let any of them in, just promise to vet them for consideration. He also clearly doesn't understand what a trade deficit means (that we're sending money to other countries in exchange for goods), but that's a fairly established flaw at this point.

    BEST LE*K EVAH!

    1. Zeb   8 years ago

      I just can't get that excited about leeks.

      1. mad.casual   8 years ago

        I like leeks. Anything to avoid that toxic weed, ka*e.

        1. Zeb   8 years ago

          I actually quite like kale in a soup or sauteed with garlic and olive oil and finished with some soy sauce and vinegar. Kale salads and kale chips, however, are terrible ideas.

          1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

            I forgot about kale in soup. Kale can be made edible in soup, if you cook it long enough. But then again, so can wood chips.

            1. Jerryskids   8 years ago

              Pro tip: If you saut? the kale in a couple tablespoons of high-quality olive oil, it'll slide right into the garbage can much easier.

          2. mad.casual   8 years ago

            sauteed with garlic and olive oil

            This is the snootier version of 'deep fried'. You don't like the kale, you like 'sauteed with garlic' which I can't disagree with. Cardboard, sauteed with garlic, sounds appetizing.

            Kale is a noxious weed unfit to feed grazing livestock. The fact that it's a superfood, despite questionable benefits, and people blindly consume lots of it despite it's terrible flavor and texture is, IMO, just proof that you could convince people to shoot rattlesnake venom into their veins if they thought it would improve their health or make them live longer.

            1. chemjeff   8 years ago

              Well I am glad that I am not the only one who can't stand kale.

              1. Tony   8 years ago

                Can't say I've found a way to make it delicious. Never had it in smoothie form though, but I have my doubts.

          3. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

            Yeah, kale and collards and mustards are all great too.

            I always think it's funny it's a health food now. Since it was soul food when I was young, and that it opposite of health food.

            Also, I just straight like kale raw though.

        2. Square = Circle   8 years ago

          Leeks are good for soup, but I haven't found any other use for them, myself. Kale is not food.

  23. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    When it comes to YouTube talking heads, I share the NYT's bias, making this an enjoyable read: For the New Far Right, YouTube Has Become the New Talk Radio

    To the extent that these personalities challenge their viewers, it's to commit even more deeply to what their intuitions already tell them is true ? not despite those opinions' rejection from mainstream liberal thought, but because of it. Theirs is a potent and time-tested strategy. Unpopular arguments can benefit from being portrayed as forbidden, and marginal ideas are more effectively sold as hidden ones. The zealous defense of ideas for which audiences believe they're seen as stupid, cruel or racist is made possible with simple inversion: Actually, it's everyone else who is stupid, cruel or racist, and their "consensus" is a conspiracy intended to conceal the unspoken feelings of a silent majority.

    1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

      Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars, 35, is perhaps the archetypal YouTube-right vlogger; he has nearly a million followers, and his videos have been viewed more than 215 million times. He has in the last month published videos with titles including "Staged Video Shows 'Refugee' Fake Drowning," "Finsbury Mosque Terror: What They're NOT Telling You," "The Truth about Refugees" and "Why Leftists Submit to Terror." The scripts for these videos are straightforward nativist polemics, with a particular focus on Europe ? Watson is from Northern England ? delivered in a relentlessly insistent tone, and quite close to the camera. Watson posts extended "roasts" of his political villains, as well as rants that betray a peculiar blend of self-taught reaction: against pop culture, broadly, but also against "modern architecture" and "modern art." If one video sums up what a receptive viewer might take from subscribing to his channel, it's "Some Cultures are Better than Others."

      Watson frequently suggests that ideologies like his represent a sort of new counterculture and boasts about the right wing's dominance on the YouTube platform. "Twitter is a tiny echo chamber," he tweeted earlier this year. "I'm not sure the left understand the monumental ass-whupping being dished out to them on YouTube."

      1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

        The far right is absolutely insane and Trump is their ambassador.

        See Simple Mikey, Fat Rush Limbaugh, Hamhead Hannity, or Mark 'High Pitch Spermy Voice' Levin.

        1. chemjeff   8 years ago

          They're not insane. That really isn't fair to them. Describing some crowd as "insane" is just a way to delegitimize their point of view without having to substantively engage with it.

          I do think that they are mainly conservative in a very strict sense of the word. They really want to return to some nostalgic 1950's-type of society. They don't seem to like much in the modern world, except perhaps certain forms of technology. They don't like the culture, they don't like the architecture, they don't like the art, they don't like many of the various ways liberty has spread since that era to various other groups. (No gay marriage, no feminism, etc.) Couple that with status anxiety, that their position at the top of the food chain in society is eroding, and you get what you have today.

          1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

            They don't seem to like much in the modern world

            Overall, but mainly the above, is an astute observation on your part.

            I will quibble a bit with your argument however. The same argument you provide for the far-right could be used to defend Islam.

            I believe that Islam and its US brethren - the Far Right, is a form of insanity.

            But I am no psychologist.

            1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

              The same argument you provide for the far-right could be used to defend Islam.

              The same argument that it's unfair to dismiss an entire collective group as insane can be used to argue that it's unfair to dismiss other entire collective groups as insane.

              The horror!!

              Aren't you supposed to be a "Classical Liberal," or something?

              1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

                Some groups are indeed collectively insane. I don't give a fuck about PC. Among the insane are:

                Islamists
                Christ-Idiots/Fundies
                the Insane

                among others...

                Religion is a mass delusion.

                1. BYODB   8 years ago

                  There is precisely as much proof that there is no god as there is evidence that there is a god. Ouch.

                2. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                  Some groups are indeed collectively insane. I don't give a fuck about PC.

                  The essence of Classical Liberalism, right there. John Stuart Mill would be proud of your subtle thinking skills.

                  I love how you combine Team Blue self-righteousness with this tough-guy rejection of PC like you think that makes you libertarian.

                  Religion is a mass delusion.

                  Except for yours, of course. Yours is Truth.

                3. Telcontar the Wanderer   8 years ago

                  You forgot "Socialism".

        2. BYODB   8 years ago

          No offense, but even while Mark Levin is crammed full of shit probably half the time he's got a better grasp on things than yourself and all the rest of those guys put together.

          1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

            I would destroy that cock-licker in an open forum.

            1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

              You've got a seriously pejorative obsession with gay sex. What's with that?

              1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

                Most conservative talk show hosts have a gay past.

                "Jeff Christie" was arrested for soliciting male prostitutes before he became Rush Limbaugh.

                The SF conservative Michael Savage had gay SF encounters. Levin is a well-known faggot with a sham marriage too.

                1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                  So?

                  I don't understand why you have such a problem with gay people.

                  1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

                    I don't understand why you have such a problem with gay people.

                    I don't. I just use raw language.

                    I call a conservative fag a conservative fag.

                    1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                      Yes, but it's basically the only pejorative that you use. And it's pretty obsessive. Nearly every post you're putting down a perceived enemy by implying that he's homosexual in the crassest terms you can conjure.

                      Why the fixation?

                    2. Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting   8 years ago

                      Why the fixation?

                      The same reason Tony's been going off about cousin-fucking lately--aggressive projection.

                2. Azathoth!!   8 years ago

                  Jeff Christie?

                  What the hell are you talking about? Limbaugh was named Limbaugh by his parents, at birth--there are Limbaughs all over Cape Girardeau

          2. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

            BTW, I always argue FOR:

            Markets/Capitalism
            Secularism/Rationalism
            Democracy
            Individual Rights/ Pro-Choice on Everything

            Where would that little Sperm-Catcher have an advantage?

            1. BYODB   8 years ago

              No, you don't.

              1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

                Yes I do, you little fuckstick.

                I am an ACLU loving capitalist Ayn Rand atheist fan.

                I fucking hate Bible-Beating conservatives just like Ayn Rand did.

                1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                  You argue for markets when they work out the way you want them to.

                  To you, secularism is a religion. You are not rational about it.

                  You are pro Democracy until people vote in ways you don't like.

                  You are pro-choice on everything until someone makes a choice you don't like.

                2. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                  And Ayn Rand was a misguided religious fanatic as well, so don't think that your declaration of faith in your chosen prophet means anything about how rational you are.

                  1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

                    And Ayn Rand was a misguided religious fanatic as well,

                    Are you daft? Ayn Rand was an atheist/rationalist to her very core.

                    You conservatives have no place arguing for Liberty. Vote for Liberty - just keep your fucking dumbass mouths shut.

                    1. NotAnotherSkippy   8 years ago

                      "You conservatives have no place arguing for Liberty. Vote for Liberty - just keep your fucking dumbass mouths shut." says the supposed ACLU supporter...

                    2. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                      Ayn Rand was an atheist/rationalist to her very core.

                      Yup. One might say she was religious about it.

                      Her atheism is an article of faith. Her "rationalism" is just as often "rationalization." She starts from a conclusion and then reasons herself in circles around it, sometimes for hundreds of pages at a time, without ever hitting it.

                      "Objectivism" is not a thing. It's a pretense for people like you to think that your perceptions and judgments are somehow privileged over other people's. They're not.

                      You conservatives have no place arguing for Liberty.

                      I've been called both conservative and progressive just this afternoon. How many libertarian points do I score?

            2. NotAnotherSkippy   8 years ago

              The way you argued for Obamacare?

              The way you argued for TARP and the GM bailout?

              The way you argued for the confiscation of Fannie and Freddie?

          3. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

            Your comment has pissed my off more than other today.

            Why the fuck would a goddamn idiot CONSERVATIVE defeat a classic liberal in any argument?

            1. BYODB   8 years ago

              That isn't what I said. I implied he's smarter than you and guys like Limbaugh, not a classical liberal. They aren't the same thing.

              1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                You touched a nerve, apparently.

                1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

                  Okay, smart guy. How is Conservatism superior to Classic Liberalism?

                  Let's stack chairs.

                  1. NotAnotherSkippy   8 years ago

                    Since you're neither, what is your role in this debate?

                    1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

                      Since you're neither, what is your role in this debate?

                      You're a conservative, I am a liberal.

                      Let's go at it, you GOP lackey.

                    2. NotAnotherSkippy   8 years ago

                      I never lost a game of chess to my best friend in high school. You've never won an argument with me. Both became boring.

                    3. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

                      Since you're neither, what is your role in this debate?

                      You're a conservative, I am a liberal.

                      Let's go at it, you GOP lackey.

                    4. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                      You're a conservative, I am a liberal.

                      Let's go at it, you GOP lackey.

                    5. NotAnotherSkippy   8 years ago

                      Actually I was thinking more of this.

                  2. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                    How is Conservatism superior to Classic Liberalism?

                    Who said it was?

                    What BYOB said was that while Mark Levin is full of shit half the time, he knows more than you.

                    While I don't really have a position on who knows more between you and Levin, I would observer that just because one position/view may be superior to another, that doesn't necessarily make you superior just on account of happening to hold it.

                    1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

                      Levin is a full time liar.

                      I would crush him in a debate.

                    2. BYODB   8 years ago

                      Nah, Levin is a part-time liar but he's a consistent liar on what he lies about and consistently is correct about the things he's right about.

                      That right there puts him miles ahead of you on consistency, at the very least. I doubt you've ever really listened to his show or read any of his books, though. I respect the amount of work the guy puts in, at the very least, even while I disagree with many of his conclusions and preferred policies.

                      Guys like yourself and Limbaugh just bloviate, removed from any semblance of belief. It's all team, from top to bottom.

        3. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

          Stop stigmatizing mental illness by saying people you disagree with are insane. Fucking facist attitude.

          1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

            ^ This.

            His lack of self-awareness is even more stunning than Tony's at times. But he is somewhat less self-righteous than Tony, so I'll give him that.

    2. chemjeff   8 years ago

      Good Lord. The level of victimhood status that the modern right has bestowed upon itself is staggering.

      1. Tony   8 years ago

        Has there ever been a time when blaming x for their problems hasn't been pretty much their entire politics?
        Where x = blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, immigrants, women, gays, transgender people, LIBRULS, Al Gore, etc., depending on the day.

        1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

          Has there ever been a time when blaming x for their problems hasn't been pretty much their entire politics?

          Yup. That's just Them. Don't you just hate Them?

          1. Tony   8 years ago

            The difference between immigrants and trans people and Republicans is that the latter often actually control the levers of power in this country.

            1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

              I know! Don't you just hate Them and their villainous power schemes! They're not enlightened like you!

              1. Tony   8 years ago

                It's a self-selected group of people who all believe the same insane horseshit. I can otherize them if I want to. I never said that otherizing itself was the problem anyway, I said it was the incessant hypocritical un-self-reflective whining that's gone on for 50 years without pause.

                1. BYODB   8 years ago

                  It's statements like these that make me think Tony is really just a satire bot based on liberal/progressives, but then he says something else that makes me realize that he's really just beyond parody.

                  1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                    It makes a bit more sense when you realize that to Tony it's pretty much just a tennis match. Reality and consistency don't enter into it - it's just a matter of hitting your ball back to you when it whizzes at him.

                2. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                  I never said that otherizing itself was the problem anyway

                  Oh, believe me, we all know. You think Hitler had the right idea - just the wrong group.

  24. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

    Amazon holding Job Fair to recruit 50,000 workers at $14 hr

    http://fortune.com/2017/07/26/amazon-job-fair/

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   8 years ago

      $7 hour if they join Amazon Prime.

      1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

        Only Mexican rapists will work for $7/hr.

    2. lap83   8 years ago

      Any of those jobs allow me to use my degree in diversity justice studies?

      1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

        HR will.

        HR is what we called the Watermelon Carriers at my company.

        We only saw HR at the company picknik in the summer once a year.

        1. NotAnotherSkippy   8 years ago

          Again, cashing your TANF check isn't working. How many times must this be explained to you?

      2. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

        But usually HR employed at least one hot chick.

        I don't want to be entirely anti-HR.

        1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

          But usually HR employed at least one hot chick.

          I don't want to be entirely anti-HR.

          What an incredibly sexist thing to say.

          Thanks, Classical Liberal!

          1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

            I'm a sexist, so what?

            Fuck you, by the way.

            1. Square = Circle   8 years ago

              I'm just trying to wrap my head around your claims to being the superior Liberal here, when all I see is an arrogant thug.

              Help me out.

  25. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

    Hmm, new Fifth Column, with Moynihan out and Alyona Minkovski in. I'm jonesing for some Moynihaccents, but I'm also a hetero male.

    1. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

      It's a podcast, not a video blog.

      1. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

        SOME OF US PREFER AURAL

        And they talk dicks, so

  26. Cynical Asshole   8 years ago

    OMAHA, Neb. ? The Nebraska State Patrol has for years forced female recruits to submit to invasive, medically unnecessary pelvic exams performed by a male doctor before they can be hired, according to a new federal lawsuit that has prompted a criminal investigation.

    I'm sure that doctor probably thought he had the best job ever.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   8 years ago

      "Immediately upon learning of these allegations in June, the Governor instructed his Chief Human Resources Officer to review this matter, which has subsequently resulted in a criminal investigation by the State Patrol,"

      So the State Patrol is investigating the State Patrol? What could possibly go wrong?

    2. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

      My guess is that the average gynecologist see's enough horror to kill most eroticism forever.

      So they probably are tit-men.

  27. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

    Wall Street Journal (FAKE NEWS!) Grand Jury called for Trump corruption:

    https://goo.gl/ENJnjC

    Take that scumbag down!

  28. Bob K   8 years ago

    "The four cities he's targeting are Baltimore, Albuquerque, New Mexico, and Stockton and San Bernardino in California."

    If only Kurt Schmoke was mayor of Baltimore still. He may take that deal and turn around and legalize all drugs to recoup the tax dollars.

  29. Ra's al Gore   8 years ago

    Sources say a grand jury has been empaneled by special counsel Robert Mueller to investigate allegations that Russia attempted to meddle with in the 2016 elections.

    full of DC permanent government people. totally impartial.

    1. Tony   8 years ago

      Seriously?

      1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

        Said by a Trump-tard.

        1. Ra's al Gore   8 years ago

          where was I factually incorrect?

          1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

            Mueller is a top-notch unbiased investigator.

            Your comment that he is "totally impartial" is pure sarcasm, admit it.

            But he is known for such impartiality.

            1. Ra's al Gore   8 years ago

              his people are all Dem $$ contributors.

          2. Tony   8 years ago

            Well, it's actually spelled "impaneled" in this context, but that's Reason's error.

            Trump can always petition for a change of venue if he thinks the "permanent government people" of DC can't be impartial.

            I love your guys' euphemisms for black people. Ever more creative.

            1. Ra's al Gore   8 years ago

              the 'permanent' government has made its opinion on Trump obvious.

              1. Tony   8 years ago

                Who would you choose as special prosecutor? I mean, which FOX News personality, of course.

                1. Ra's al Gore   8 years ago

                  the SP was in response to endless "an anonymous source told us X may have happened". we don't need one at all.

            2. Square = Circle   8 years ago

              I love your guys' euphemisms for black people. Ever more creative.

              So, to you "permanent government people" means "black people?"

              You are so racist it's not even funny, but assumptions like this are making it more clear why you make these assumptions about us.

              But, pro tip: not everything means to others what it means to you. When I imagine "permanent government people," I imagine a bunch of Yale guys in suits. But everyone's got their own thing.

              1. Tony   8 years ago

                Call me Fido because I know a right-wing dog whistle when I see one.

                1. BYODB   8 years ago

                  Ah, 'dog whistle'. The ultimate strawman.

                  1. Tony   8 years ago

                    *Wonders which term's definition you don't understand*

                    1. BYODB   8 years ago

                      Well, for starters if you're hearing a dog whistle it means you're the dog so at the very least your metaphor is shit and at worst it turns out you're the racist.

                    2. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                      *Wonders which term's definition you don't understand*

                      'Dog whistle' = "I get to redefine your words to mean what I want them to."

                      Single Payer Healthcare = ass-raping children.

                      Why do you advocate ass-raping children, Tony? I suppose I should expect it from Progressives - it's what they all can't seem to get enough of. . . .

            3. OM Nullum gratuitum prandium   8 years ago

              Re: Tony,

              I love your guys' euphemisms for black people. Ever more creative.

              The fact that the mere mention of "permanent government people" triggers your mind to see only black people is very telling.

              I have to deal with "permanent government people" every time I return to this country and the one thing I learned is that jackasses come in all shapes and colors.

    2. Eek Barba Durkle   8 years ago

      I wonder if this means they FINALLY found the very first shred whatsoever of objective evidence tying Russia to the 2016 election?

      I'm guessing by the fact that it hasn't been leaked yet that the answer is no.

      1. Tony   8 years ago

        You mean other than all the evidence that's already out there? Other than like verbal, on-camera admissions from Trump and family?

        The fact of a grand jury means subpoenas are coming and they're looking to indict people. But whatever you need to tell yourself to get through the day.

        1. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

          You are going to be so upset when the Fusion GPS guys get a subpoena.

          1. Tony   8 years ago

            A dossier isn't debunked just because the subject of the dossier says it is.

            1. BYODB   8 years ago

              No, it's debunked when things that are claimed to have happened in said dossier never happened and were proved to have never happened.

              But please, go on.

              1. Tony   8 years ago

                You can prove Trump was never pissed on by Russian hookers? How does one do that, exactly?

                1. BYODB   8 years ago

                  That wasn't the bit I was talking about, but it's nice to see you haven't done any research or, if you have, that you lie about it.

                2. NotAnotherSkippy   8 years ago

                  Since you have the most personal experience in the technique, why don't you enlighten us?

                3. Square = Circle   8 years ago

                  IIRC the claim was that we was pissed on by Russian hookers on a specific date at a specific hotel where it was easily proven he was not present.

                  Can you prove that you've never been pissed on by Russian hookers? And if you have, what should your punishment be? I know how your socially conservative sensibilities are seriously triggered by such decadence, after all.

                  1. BestUsedCarSales   8 years ago

                    I can prove I haven't.

                  2. BYODB   8 years ago

                    It wasn't the hookers part, it was this bit here:

                    Cohen was never in Prague.

                    From the Article, although it's way down the article:

                    Steele's most sensational allegations remain unconfirmed. For instance, his claim that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen held a "clandestine meeting" on the alleged hacking scheme in Prague with "Kremlin officials" in August 2016 unraveled when Cohen denied ever visiting Prague, his passport showed no stamps showing he left or entered the US at the time, witnesses accounted for his presence here, and Czech authorities found no evidence Cohen went to Prague.

                    Since it's all unverified, and some of it is disproven, then what? Believe the parts you like and don't believe the bits that don't fit the narrative? Or are we to believe that his lawyer Cohen is also a master-spy?

                    1. Tony   8 years ago

                      I'm to believe that you're bootlicking for Trump and should be embarrassed for yourself.

        2. Eek Barba Durkle   8 years ago

          You mean other than all the evidence that's already out there? Other than like verbal, on-camera admissions from Trump and family?

          This never happened. You are, in usual Tony fashion, lying through what I can only make an educated guess on an Oklahoman is a sparse collection of molding, hole-filled teeth.

          But feel free to post anything remotely resembling evidence for the claim you just made.

          There is zero evidence of Russia hacking the emails, or giving them to WikiLeaks. None. There is zero evidence of collusion between Trump and Russian officials to do so, either. None. Prove me wrong.

          There are allegations from unnamed sources (most of which have been falsified already), there are waves of speculation, there are embarrassingly incompetent attempts by the IC to prove their case through generic malware and Tor exit nodes and third party debates, there are delusional inventions of context and exposition for known events, and there is a widespread alliance among the establishment politicians, media and bureaucrats to attack anyone who questions the official narrative.

          There is zero objective evidence. And you know it - if it existed, you wouldn't shut up about it. You would be screeching it into every thread, instead of making hyperidiotic hyperbolic claims such as the above.

          1. Tony   8 years ago

            Curious what your feelings are on Benghazi and email-gate.

  30. chemjeff   8 years ago

    I have to hand it to the Mexican president though. I thought he handled the situation of The Wall(tm) rather diplomatically. It would have been easy for him to be filled with a great deal of moral self-righteousness but he simply said that let's just agree not to talk about it for the time being.

    Also, that call with the Australian PM. WTF. Do people even brief Trump about issues before he takes calls with other foreign leaders? Trump comes off as being absolutely clueless about the details behind the refugee deal that Obama made. Or I suppose it may also be the case that Trump was briefed but didn't pay attention and doesn't really give a shit anyway, he is just going to oppose the deal because, Obama. Either way, someone better get to Trump and tell him that ad-lib unprepared conversations with other foreign leaders may not be the smartest idea.

    1. Tony   8 years ago

      Forget being briefed, on the call, the Australian PM explained US law to the US president carefully, over and over, and Trump still never got it.

      1. chemjeff   8 years ago

        Yeah that stood out to me too. Trump was absolutely convinced that Obama made some deal where the US was forced to accept 20,000 Asian Criminals And Terrorists into the country. That's probably what Sean Hannity told him on the tee-vee the night before.

        1. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

          Trump reads Bratfart.com for his "news".

          1. Tony   8 years ago

            I'm told they're going heavy on McMaster today. Watching to see what happens to him and what that says about where the president's head is (besides beneath a bleached meerkat).

            1. Telcontar the Wanderer   8 years ago

              If McMaster gets ousted, that'll be the first sign the Trump presidency is going from "just really stupid and hapless" mode to "bye-bye Eastern Europe" mode.

    2. Stormy Dragon   8 years ago

      Do people even brief Trump about issues before he takes calls with other foreign leaders?

      I'm sure they try to.

      1. Eek Barba Durkle   8 years ago

        "This doll is Australia. He has a frowny face - why do you think that is?"

        1. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

          Trump: Maybe he lost his big knife or his pet kangaroo. I don't have time for this. Get Paul Hogan on the line, pronto.

          1. Eek Barba Durkle   8 years ago

            If he had Paul Hogan's number, do you think he would need Russia's help to subvert democracy? Use your head mate, crikey.

      2. Unlabelable MJGreen   8 years ago

        Presidential briefings.

        1. chemjeff   8 years ago

          Okay, that's hilarious, I don't care who you are.

    3. Square = Circle   8 years ago

      Remember that scene from Being John Malkovich where Malkovich winds up inside his own head where there's nothing but people with Malkovich heads saying nothing but "Malkovich. Malkovich?"

      That's what's going on in Trump's head all the time (but with "Trump," obviously). He could be briefed or not; have a conversation or not; what he hears never changes.

  31. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

    We know that Trump laundered money for Russian mobsters at his Taj Mahal Casino in the 90s.

    At the same time he filed Chapter 11 four times thus cutting off his New York money center bank funding - and he ramped up the Russia loans.

    When the Grand Jury is done Trump will be exposed for the lying scumbag he is.

    Fuck YEAH!

    1. The Last American Hero   8 years ago

      He's a politician and thus already known to be a lying scumbag.

      The question is whether or not he gets impeached. My money is on no, but since you don't pay your lost bets, I won't bet you.

      1. EscherEnigma   8 years ago

        He was known to be a pathological liar before he ever announced his intention to run for office.

        But yeah, lacking something truly shocking, the Republicans won't impeach him. So the soonest we could see impeachment is 2019 if Democrats take both House and Senate, if Democrats take both (also possible. The President's party normally loses seats in mid-term elections, and the Republicans don't have a huge margin already). But even then, it'd better be something they can really sell to the American people.

        So yeah, probably not impeached.

        1. Tony   8 years ago

          If Dems want rid of him it's because he's a terrible president who's bad for the country (Pence would be no prize for them). What counts is when Republicans want rid of him for destroying their party. And Pence would be a giant relief to them.

          1. loveconstitution1789   8 years ago

            The Democrats will never win the House nor Senate for the foreseeable future.

            1. Tony   8 years ago

              Do you mean specifically to refer to the fact that Republicans have rigged it all in their favor, or are you just cheerleading for them?

              Or do you not think a president with historically low poll numbers typically loses his party seats in midterms?

              1. colorblindkid   8 years ago

                Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million votes, but Republicans won the House by 1.5 million votes and had a higher overall percentage than Hillary. There are millions of people out there who dislike Trump but like their Republican congressman. I really think people underestimate how much Trump isn't seen as an actual Republican to people, and how many are willing to take that into account.

                As for the Senate, Trump would have 5% approval and be in the middle of impeachment hearings and the best Democrats could hope for is to lose 1 or 2 seats. My guess is Republicans pick up 4.

                1. Tony   8 years ago

                  ...Because they cheat to win, correct?

          2. Sevo   8 years ago

            Tony|8.3.17 @ 6:08PM|#
            "If Dems want rid of him it's because he's a terrible president who's bad for the country"

            You stupid piece of shit, no D anywhere cares about anything more than getting elected, grabbing power hand handing out goodies for 'friends'.
            What a fucking idiot.

        2. Eek Barba Durkle   8 years ago

          They aren't going to stop with the special investigation until they find something criminal. That's pretty much guaranteed - they don't get appointed to not find shit.

          I think the only way he ultimately survives the witch hunt is if he's totally clean in business...and I doubt he's even made it through today without fucking someone over, or breaking a law, in business. I bet he takes breaks from being tough gai #MrPrecedent just to do some shady shit fucking over some poor contractors in Queens.

          Democrats want rid of him because they are Democrats. Republicans hate him because he sank their party, but will play it out, because they are every bit a shitty and corrupt as the Democrats. It's as simple (and eternal) as that. If anyone over the age of five-ish really thinks it's for any more noble reasons, they better not call someone else naive, stupid or a stooge ever again in their natural lives.

          If they can unseat Trump, they will. It would look too much like a coup at this point, but lets see what happens when they find out he broke some laws as CEO. His name will be a lesson from history.

    2. Sevo   8 years ago

      Palin's Buttplug|8.3.17 @ 5:28PM|#
      "We know that Trump laundered money for Russian mobsters at his Taj Mahal Casino in the 90s."

      Yeah, accepting cash is the new "laundering", if you are an imbecilic lefty like turd.

      1. Tony   8 years ago

        You do realize you're on a libertarian board sucking not just Republican dick, but that of Donald fucking Trump right? Why? Do you really think he's gonna get through this and end up on Mt. Rushmore?

        Cut your losses, dude, it would be a shame for you to be thought of as a partisan nutfuck by your fellow libertarians.

        1. colorblindkid   8 years ago

          Because it is possible to hate Donald Trump and also point out how much of the "Resistance" is just as idiotic and dishonest as he is.

  32. OM Nullum gratuitum prandium   8 years ago

    They [the transcripts] show Trump trying to get Pe?a Nieto to stop saying Mexico won't pay for the wall because it's hurting him politically[...]

    The Art of Showing Your Hand Like A Putz.

    The woman who successfully convinced her boyfriend via texting to kill himself when they were both teens has been sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison for involuntary manslaughter.

    The temptress used her feminine wiles to lure his victim into the path of the bullet of the gun he shot himself. With his hand.

    She's a witch!

    1. Jgalt1975   8 years ago

      The temptress used her feminine wiles to lure his victim into the path of the bullet of the gun he shot himself. With his hand.

      Pretty much -- he was killing himself via carbon monoxide exposure in his car, had second thoughts and got out of the car, and she told him to get back in and finish the job. If she had just told him to go kill himself in the first place, I'd absolutely be opposed on First Amendment grounds to prosecuting her, but actively counselling someone to keep working on killing himself while he's in the process of trying to disengage from killing himself, crosses the line for me and avoids the slippery slope problem.

  33. Palin's Buttplug   8 years ago

    Benjamin Netanyahu suspected of bribery, fraud and breach of trust, police say

    http://www.independent.co.uk/n.....75831.html

    Hopefully another Piece of Shit bites the dust.

    1. Sevo   8 years ago

      That would be you, turd?
      We can all hope, scumbag.

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