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Senate Republicans Warn: Maybe We Won't Pass a Health Care Bill at All

This is how the GOP treats their top legislative priorities.

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Gage Skidmore / Foter

After last November's election, congressional Republicans put repealing and replacing Obamacare at the top of their legislative agenda. This would fulfill the promise the party had been making from the moment the health care law passed in 2010.

Last week, the two GOP senators from Iowa admitted that any legislation would not fully repeal Obamacare. Now Senate Republicans are not certain they will pass any bill at all. It's a moment that reveals the lack of seriousness with which Republicans continue to treat one of their major political and policy priorities.

Vice President Mike Pence spent the weekend urging Republicans to pass a health care bill by the end of summer, but Senate Republicans are increasingly pessimistic about the prospects for any legislation to pass in the near future.

"There are some still saying that we'll vote before the August break. I have a hard time believing that," Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Arizona) told The Washington Post.

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisconsin) suggested that Republicans might take a multi-prong approach that started with a "market stabilization" bill, followed by something more comprehensive. "To me, this may be a two-part process," he told the Wisconsin State Journal. "I would admit that's probably a minority view in the Republican Senate right now."

The most negative comments came from North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, who said, "It's unlikely that we will get a health care deal, which means that most of my time has been spent trying to figure out solutions to Iowa losing all of its insurers," Burr said the House plan was "dead on arrival" in the Senate, and predicted that no major legislation would pass in the upper chamber, saying, "I don't see a comprehensive health care plan this year."

Their comments come not long after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell admitted that he didn't know how his chamber would put together the 50 votes necessary to pass a bill.

The problem for the Senate GOP is that party lawmakers remain divided on key components of any health care bill. Senate Republicans have indicated that they will scrap the legislation that passed in the House and start over, but no progress has been made. A Senate task force has been charged with crafting the outlines of a bill, yet at this point, one GOP aide tells The Hill, there is not even a basic framework in place, much less actual legislative language.

It is not too much of a stretch to say that at this point Senate Republicans do not merely disagree on the details. The fundamental problem is that they do not know what they want from a health care bill at all. (Similarly, the House version of the health care bill, which Republicans barely attempted to defend on the merits, suggests a deep confusion about how federal health policy works and what form it should take.)

It is still possible, of course, that Senate Republicans will eventually come together and pass a bill that overhauls Obamacare. After all, the House legislation crashed, and looked potntially lost, before eventually passing in a tight vote.

But it is far from certain that Senate Republicans will come together on a bill, and that they will then be able to negotiate a compromise with House Republicans to send to President Trump (or, as seems likely, force the House GOP to accept the Senate's version of the bill with no changes). That alone is remarkable.

Republicans spent the last seven years repeatedly promising to repeal and replace Obamacare at the first opportunity, while simultaneously insisting that the framework for a replacement mechanism could be worked out later.

To put it another way: The GOP plan on health care was always to figure it out later. It's later. They still haven't figured it out.

Now, predictably, that objective is in jeopardy because party lawmakers never settled on even the most cursory outlines of a replacement. And without a replacement at the ready, the already challenging politics of repeal are harder still. The defeatist bumbling we are seeing now confirms that the Republican plan to repeal and replace Obamacare has always been missing a critical component: an actual plan to do either.

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  1. If I didn’t absolutely know better, I would almost be tempted to believe that the Republicans have no clue what they believe in much less how to accomplish anything. No wonder they fell under the sway of an incompetent, blustering, flim-flam man.

    1. Just republicans? Ha!

      DC is the land of I’ll believe whatever your dollar, or vote, wants me to believe.

      1. Just republicans? Ha!

        The libertarian establishment? Ha!

    2. It’s just that for so long they only needed one belief: If President McBlackerson is for it, we’re agin’ it. They haven’t quite figured out how to deal with having the presidency yet, especially the noobs, which is an argument against term limits.

    3. Republicans want political jobs and a hand in the till. For that they need the same superstitious bigot, warmonger, prohibitionist, xenophobe vote that elected Herb Hoover, Richard Nixon and the Bush Dynasty. Until the Tea Party, Prohibition Party and KKKonsta2shun party activists wheelchair off to that big Depends Sale in the Sky (or people wake up and vote libertarian), collectivist spoiler votes will continue to dictate the Republican Party platform.

  2. Whenever the Dems get in power, it’s almost like they know it won’t last so they cram as much shit as possible before they get wiped out (like ObamaCare)

    when the GOP is in Power, they act like scared little kittens and never do anything.

    1. If the options are getting your shit pushed in or not, I prefer “not”.

    2. Doesn’t confiscating homes via asset forfeiture, wrecking the economy and jailing young people for life count for anything?

    3. The Demoncraps disgust me.
      The Republitards disgust me.
      As disgusting as Trump is, he may be an improvement. But he’s mired in shit.

    4. when the GOP is in Power, they act like scared little kittens and never do anything.

      Actually, they spout gushers of lies … to con their loyal base, who’ll swallow almost anything because they somehow never learned that … you can’t do anything without enough votes.

      Like Mencken’s famous quote, “Nobody ever went broke, UNDERestimating the intelligence of the American people.”

      I’m told that SOME in the base accuse them of being “scared kittens” … when they don’t have enough votes, and much of that base thinks that bellowing as a blowhard is more powerful than actual votes!
      Sad. Like they never attended high school.

  3. Whatever the GOP ends up with, it’s sure to result in women dying in the streets from the sniffles and paper cuts.

    1. And untreated rape.

  4. From the beginning, Republicans were making incompatible promises to businesses and enterprisers (contain costs), and pro-lifers and those with good employer insurance coverage (oppose any cost containment).

    1. Oh, good, a brain! How did you stumble into this place?

    2. Might turn out that Trump’s suggestion is the best: Let Obozocare die of it’s own weight.

      Either that, or repeal the whole damned thing and replace it with NOTHING.

      1. Either that, or repeal the whole damned thing and replace it with NOTHING.

        I pray to GOD that you NEVER publicly describe yourself as a libertarian. (shudder)

  5. Lots of critters will be spending more time with their families in 2019.

    1. I bet it is fewer than you think. There are a few factors to are difficult to predict: voter turnout, whether or not the GOP’s strategy of blaming the media will work, and whether or not the Dems can field decent candidates.

  6. The most negative comments came from North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, who said, “It’s unlikely that we will get a health care deal, which means that most of my time has been spent trying to figure out solutions to Iowa losing all of its insurers,”

    It’s amazing how hard it is to pass healthcare reform while the fires of healthcare reform burn around you.

    1. What’s so amazing? Fiscal conservatives have no f*cking clue and never have.

  7. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisconsin) suggested that Republicans might take a multi-prong approach that started with a “market stabilization” bill

    I think we’ve all had about enough of government attempts to “stabilize markets.” Please just go home already.

  8. It’s a moment that reveals the lack of seriousness with which Republicans continue to treat one of their major political and policy priorities.

    Or, you know, evidence that dealing with Obamacare was never a major political and policy priority, just campaign bullshit. Kinda like Trump’s “extreme vetting” plan that for some strange reason he’s unable to move forward with without a travel ban first, almost as if the travel ban is all the “extreme vetting” plan he’s really got. Or the Greenie’s insistence that they’re going to move forward with the ideals of the Paris Accords even if Trump pulls the US out – like they couldn’t have been doing that already for the last ten years without a “Mother May I” from Paris?

    1. My understanding is that the court order suspending President Trump’s “travel ban” also prohibits him from changing the standards for admitting people into the United States. So effectively he’s prohibited from engaging in any “extreme vetting” unless and until the order is lifted or overturned by SCOTUS.

      1. Doesn’t the INS already have wide latitude on immigration policy?

  9. Of course, “figuring it out later” was how Obamacare was passed in the first place. Which was why Oelosi aimed it needed to be passed to find out what is in it and why so much of the details were deferred to the executive branch.

    And the biggest thing is that the voters don’t know what they really want and many Republicans do not want to have to tell the voting public they cannot have their cake and eat it too.

    1. Which was why Pelosi aimed it needed to be passed to find out what is in it

      She never said that. You’ve been brainwashed.
      Again.

      1. Where were you? She’s on video saying exactly that.

        1. You’ve been conned. By intentional bullshit. One of many videos, highly edited by the wacky right to show the exact opposite of what was said. Another is Obama saying “We are no longer a Christian nation (IMMEDIATE CUT).” The next few words expose the lie.

          What PELOSI really said is, “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV7dDSgbaQ0

          It’s only 55 seconds, but enough to show the context. She says there’s so much misinformation that it’s best to read the PASSED bill, without all the fog. How much bullshit? Her words were lied about by EVERY leading Republican, shamelessly.
          .
          Watch the video to learn the truth. Then google “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it…” My search popped bullshit by Trey Gowdy, Gingrich, Breitbart, Fox (of course), and hundreds more. Daily Caller has a NINE second video (INSTANT CUT), possibly what you were deceived by.

          That’s why I’m libertarian .. and why a growing majority of Americans have NO loyalty to EITHER party, They’re BOTH full of shit. See for yourself. The hardest part of becoming an independent may be realizing that your team is just as fucking crazy as the other team.

          I’ve provided undeniable proof. Will you look?

  10. This would be just fine.
    Now repeal Ocare.

    1. Why? Be as specific as you possibly can.

    2. Stupid comment.
      Without ACA, and without any ACA replacement, you DON’T HAVE A FEDERAL HEALTH INSURANCE FRAMEWORK. Nothing to tie private insurance to Medicare or Medicaid. Nothing to put uniform definitions and federal tax rules on health insurance. And very little to stop the very few sellers from pillaging the millions of buyers.

      R’s have had SEVEN FREAKING YEARS to develop a framework that might actually address the key requirements of federal health insurance rules. And… Nothing. Nada. Bupkis. Squat. They are actually WORSE than the D’s in this exercise, which is not something I say lightly. The so-called free market won’t fix this. Because the handful of gigantic insurers distort the market for their exclusive benefit when given the chance. And people die.

      1. R’s have had SEVEN FREAKING YEARS to develop a framework that might actually address the key requirements of federal health insurance rules. And… Nothing. Nada. Bupkis. Squat

        Also L’s.
        Who could possibly imagine anything crazier than Cato’s Medicare vouchers? It would increase competition … IN THE WRONG MARKET. We ridicule progressives for confusing coverage with treatment, then the Cato “scholars” do the same damn thing.

        Can we impact the new car market with more competition between Allstate and GEICO? It’s difficult to not feel SHAME at “modern” libertarianism.

        We’ve always had competition in the relevant health care market, providers, but seniors have no skin in the game. DUH. So the entire libertarian establishment is confused about which market to free .. and somehow “forgot” skin in the game! Lady Liberty is all alone in the center of the ring, getting punched repeatedly in the face … arms at her side, with no defense at all.

    3. This would be just fine.
      Now repeal Ocare.

      How? Be as specific as you possibly can.

      1. Sevo, called out TWICE, folds like a cheap suit. (smirk)
        Caught being an authoritarian again — defying the clearly expressed will of the people.

  11. RE: Senate Republicans Warn: Maybe We Won’t Pass a Health Care Bill at All
    This is how the GOP treats their top legislative priorities.

    “Last week, the two GOP senators from Iowa admitted that any legislation would not fully repeal Obamacare. Now Senate Republicans are not certain they will pass any bill at all.”

    Good news, bad news.
    The bad news is the republicans would not fully repeal Obamacare. (Gee, what a surprise!)
    The good news is the republicans are not certain they will pass any bill at all, as if the healthcare industry isn’t regulated enough.
    More bad news.
    The republicans are too stupid to realize deregulating the healthcare industry will only lower premiums and increase services due to competition.
    Please explain to me again the difference between the two parties.

    1. The republicans are too stupid to realize deregulating the healthcare industry will only lower premiums and increase services due to competition.

      But that’s the precise talking point on all their lips. The problem is you’re too stupid to realize it’s a horseshit free-market fairy tale talking point that has no factual support whatsoever.

      The difference between the parties is one has become a nihilistic quasi-anarchist shit tornado and the other still actually believes to some degree in public service and pragmatic action to achieve it.

      1. So, refresh my memory.
        How’s England NHS doing lately?

        1. It will be doing better if they are allowed to take your property when you die.

        2. It’s like the most popular institution in the country. A few issues, but nothing’s perfect.

          Now let’s unpack your implication. “Problems X and Y” of this single-payer system (even though it’s less expensive and without question more efficient and universal than the American version) mean we must, without any alternative possibility leave at least some people to die and/or incur social costs indirectly for lack of ability to pay, here in the richest country on earth.

          The logical end result of the crap you believe is throwing all old people off of Medicare, and you believe that as the philosophically best option, regardless of the political issues. You must, right?

          1. “It’s like the most popular institution in the country.”

            Source?

              1. And it’s freaking healthcare! Easy to complain about, and nobody wants to be there. Rather remarkable.

          2. Remind me how many people died waiting in line at the Phoenix VA…

          3. Tony is full of shit again. With proof

            England’s Health Service found thousands of patients died needlessly … wheeled into empty rooms and abandoned ? many found dead in their own excrement. Proof.

            “1,200 deaths at Stafford Hospital could have been prevented between 2005 and 2009.
            Patients there were forced to sit in their own feces and drink from vases ? “

            Canada’s medicare was ruled an unconstitutional threat to human life, citing Canadians dying on waiting lists of a year or more. http://www.cbc.ca/news2/background/healthcare/

            In both countries, cost-cutting and understaffing.

            It’s not just Tony, Nick Gillespie claims Canada cut spending and prospered in the late 1990s. The resulting deaths and court ruling would ruin his narrative. He seems compelled to lie about spending cuts, also claiming a US “postwar boom” was stimulated by postwar spending cuts … using bullshit GDP data. But we actually had … wait for it …
            five back-to-back recessions in only 16 years, 1945-1961!!!

            Tribal manipulation is not limited to just the Red and Blue establishments.

            (POLITICAL healthcare means betting your life that politicians, in tight budgets, will never cut benefits and always increase taxes. Like Canada and England did, Tony?)

    2. The Red looter party wants electricity to remain legal while they ban everything else. The Blue looters want to ban everything including electricity. Read the platforms. That is the ONLY deliverable difference.

      1. So why did you blatantly suckup to the GOP?

  12. Half the country is too stupid to appreciate what the other half knows is right, so the only choice really is to ram it down their throats so they can learn how great it all is.

    1. Welcome to democracy. It’s like a market, but the products are ideas.

      Like you I am in an extreme minority on frozen pizza. I can’t find a one that comes with anchovies and feta. Not one. Therefore, the frozen pizza mafia is evil and must be destroyed from within. Because I’m that special and my ideas count the most.

      1. While I am generally opposed to government mandates, I am all for the pizza with anchovies and feta mandate.

      2. Or, you could just buy your own fucking feta and anchovies and put them on yourself…

  13. NO! Please B’rer Elephant, skin me alive, but don’t throw me in that brier patch!

  14. How many times did the Republicans vote to repeal health care under Obama? Wait, you’re telling me that was just a political stunt??? /sarc

    Republicans owe their majority, and partially the Presidency, to promises of repealing Obamacare. Forget about public opinion polls, those polls were settled in the last two elections. Were things really that bad before we had Obamacare? Put it to a vote now, so that the country knows who to throw out of office in 2018, 2020, 2022…

    Remind me again how both parties aren’t for big government again?

    1. Forget about public opinion polls, those polls were settled in the last two elections

      Where Republicans ALWAYS get rejected on healthcare features, Proggies are handing them their ass again.
      Even worse, dumbass Trump has managed to make Obamacare more popular than ever — predictable when voters see the Republicans (and libertarians) have absolutely nothing,

  15. Ready for single payer?

    Republicans rejected the original nonpartisan Obamacare, which would have killed single-payer forever. Now they’re showing they were full of shit for seven years and still have nothing to offer. Americans, as we all known, prefer most of the individual pieces of Obamacare. And as the GOP strides to the toilet, they’ve even managed to make Obamacare more popular than ever.

    Ready for single-payer? Republicans have no credible alternative. Fiscal conservatives have no credible alternative. And the libertarian establishment has absolutely nothing either. (for anything).

    Fiscal conservatives have had nothing but anti-gubmint slogans and soundbites for nearly 20 years.
    Ready for single-payer?
    And perhaps even worse? Cato reported that the libertarian brand is rejected by even 91% of libertarians.
    Thank GOD this is a libertarian moment!!!

  16. If as the Republicans say Obamacare is the worst and most dangerous plan to fix the health care crises ever devised, why haven’t they created a better bill. They’ve had 7 years to do it and the only thing they can come up with is a tax cut for the rich, some savings for the young and healthy and to “hell with everybody else.”

    1. They’re boxed in by their own bullshit. We have the liars party and the stupid party. GOP are the latter.
      Then again, their base was eager to swallow the lies, weren’t they?

  17. The whole thing was doomed, of course, once the fucks added the words “and replace”, conceding the idea that there should be a Federally-designed healthcare payment system. At that point, it just becomes a question of choosing your flavor of shit sandwich.

    1. Your authoritarian dictatorship isn’t in place yet.

  18. It’s because Obamacare *was* the Republican bill. It was the one thing they could do to entrench insurance companies in healthcare. Dems would/will eventually want single payer or otherwise universal with a public option. But they treated Obamacare so harshly that when they finally got to the plate, they had jack. Short-sightedness to say the least.

    1. The dumbfuick Republicans could have killed single-payer forever, but they refused the original, bipartisan Obamacare — which forced Obama to got to his own far left.

      They weren’t yet bat-shit crazy for the Kennedy tax cuts — later copied identically by Reagan. Kennedy threw his own far left off a cliff. His tax cuts “across the board, top to botton, personal and corporate,” were viciously opposed by Congressional liberals and the AFL-CIO as …. tax cuts for the rich.

      Might the entire GOP be as fucking stupid as Trump (shudder)

  19. The article assumes republicans oppose the government plan. It was good politics to rail against it yet in 2012 their nominee was Romney the father of this plan.

    Just like the Patriot Act when democrat decried the attacks on freedom yet renewed it as is when they controlled all 3 branches of government.

    Yes we have a one Party system, they just play the population for their own amusement.

  20. 2012 their nominee was Romney the father of this plan.

    That’s what you proggies keep saying. But only the lowest-information voters buy it.

    Just like the Patriot Act when democrat decried the attacks on freedom yet renewed it as is when they controlled all 3 branches of government.

    Wrong again

    “(Rand) Paul was not the only senator with grave misgivings about the Patriot Act deal worked out by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker John Boehner..”

    I count two Republicans and one Democrat. How could a Republican be Speaker in a House controlled by Democrats???

    Yes we have a one Party system, they just play the population for their own amusement.

    One out of three ain’t bad these days!

  21. Voters will be pissed if they do not follow through, guess reelection doesn’t matter much after all.

    1. They’re already dead,

    2. They’re already dead,

  22. Well, of course they won’t. Or, maybe they will, but only if they can time it such that whatever they produce can be blamed on someone else.

    Republicans have had 8 years to come up with anything. By their (in)actions they have clearly admitted that they can’t, because, if nothing else, Obamacare was engineered to solve a problem: more and better healthcare for more people. The only thing that will better solve this problem would move closer and closer to the systems that have solved this problem: those in place in all democratic socialist economies of Europe (whether single-payer or hybrid systems).

    The best motive the Republicans can offer for doing anything about healthcare in this country is ideology. But even “libertarians” don’t want to say out loud that they don’t care about solving the problem. Instead, just like taking a shit in the morning for them, it’s about “freedom”. Whatever.

    You see, real health economists created Obamacare. But politically savvy ones. They knew that they could not politically get the real solution like they have in European democratic socialist countries, but they could put a system out there that, however flawed, would put the solving of the problem in full view.

    So now we get to watch the beautiful spectacle of “libertarians” having to squirm and shout “freedom!” louder in the hope of changing the subject again from problem solving to feeling free.
    And the opportunist wing of the right (the larger component) simply squirm.

    1. boldface to enhance the ridicule (lol)

      solved this problem: those in place in all democratic socialist economies of Europe (whether single-payer or hybrid systems).

      Ready?

      In Canada, their system was ruled an unconstitutional threat to human life, citing all the Canadians dying on waiting lists of a year of more. “access to a waiting list is not access to health care.”.

      In a related action, Provincial governments forced the central government to restore our GDP equivalent of a half trillion dollars .. to reduce waiting times and provide costly diagnostic testing we’ve had since the 50s.

      In England, 14 hospitals were condemned for barbaric levels of care. “Thousands” of patients died “needlessly,” wheeled into empty rooms and abandoned, many found dead in their own excrement. All caused by …. spending cuts!!

      “NHS (British) hospital death rates 45% HIGHER than in America,”
      (connect characters) http : //w ww.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ nhs-hospital-death-rates-45-2267948

      Political healthcare means betting your life, literally, politicians, in a budget crisis will always increase your taxes and never cut your benefits. (lol)

      Shame on you, placing gubmint over human life.

      1. Hmm. Selective and completely non-sensical use of information. The Mirror. A notch above Breitbart. Perhaps your standard. Missed In Canada article(?):
        “While most Canadians – 80 per cent according to Statistics Canada – are satisfied with their access to the health care system.” USA is rarely more than 20%.
        Your ability to evaluate the information is typically absent: article was 2006, problems all addressed and problems all resolved. Imagine that here.
        Some fun facts from reputable organizations, such as OECD, CIA World Book, etc.:
        – USA has 4th highest infant mortality rate among the OECD countries, just below Slovakia, Chile, Mexico, Turkey. – USA has highest rate first day mortality rate for all of these countries.
        – USA spends more than any other OECD country on healthcare and has the lowest life expectancy
        – With the exception of some cancers (a major $$ industry in US), USA never ranks ahead of the usual socialist economies.
        …and it goes on. USA is behind in virtually every other metric.
        Here are your sources (use your Google):
        OECD, CIA World Book, World Bank Open Data, IMF Statistics.
        As a suggestion: If you have any doubts about any of this data, then you have to cite where their methodologies are flawed. I myself (unlike most “libertarians” and other ideologists) will not accept any data unless it comes with a detailed description of how it was collected and evaluated. You know, the empirical method. Oh, you don’t know? Maybe you should start there.

        1. Another proggie in severe denial … hopping around with facts jammed up his ass.

          Try this, chump.

          The United States spends more per capita on GOVERNMENT health care, for 38% of our population .. than Sweden, the U.K., Australia, New Zealand, and Japan for their ENTIRE populations.

          Now for your math lesson. That means EVERY privately-insured American could lose their insurance tomorrow ,,, and we’d STILL have the most costly health care spending!

          But you Gomers blame PRIVATE INSURANCE??

          Selective … use of information

          Wait for it ….
          THOSE DATA ARE FROM OECD!! (smirk)

          1) As first noted by Hillary Clinton, in HillaryCare, half our entire healthcare spending is in the final year of life … but the dumbass was saying that socialist countries can’t afford serious care for their seniors.

          2) Barack Obama told us about his grandmother, who received a costly hip transplant … when she was already terminal cancer … and died a few months later, That is DUMB … but IMPOSSIBLE in your deathcare.

          3) And … laughing harder .. you brainwashed puppets yell and scream about our high rare of gun shot deaths … except when you want to BLAME THE SAME DEATHS ON HEALTH CARE!

          Mess with the bull. Get the horns.

          (walks away laughing)

          1. Part 2

            I myself (unlike most “libertarians” and other ideologists) will not accept any data unless it comes with a detailed description of how it was collected and evaluate

            Quite the blowhard.
            Unlike proggies, I don’t believe anything unless I can actually SEE the data, at an ORIGINAL source.
            So was able to provide four sources. You provide … NOTHING …. blind faith, like a Santorum or Huckabee

            Bend over

            Since you LIED about my British source, this links you to the RESULTS of a Google search for news on the Keogh Report, as reported by ….. THE BBC – dozens of reports!

            Umm that’s the network owned by the British government. So you lose again, even bigger.
            You NEED a better excuse. I’ll wait for it.

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