A.M. Links: Montana Republican Charged With Assault for Body-Slamming Journalist, Trump in Brussels, Philippines May Extend Martial Law 'Throughout the Country'

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  Gage Skidmore

  President Donald Trump is in Brussels for meetings with NATO leaders and EU officials.

• New poll: 54 percent of voters "say Trump is abusing the powers of his office."
• Greg Gianforte, Republican candidate in today's special congressional election in Montana, has been charged with assault by the police after allegedly body-slamming a journalist.
• "A British official says police in Manchester will stop sharing information about their bombing investigation with the U.S. until they get a guarantee that there will be no more leaks to the news media."
• Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte may extend martial law "throughout the country."
• White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus is reportedly worried about the existence of possible memos written by former FBI Director James Comey detailing Priebus's efforts "on the president's behalf in trying to use the FBI to quash the Trump-Russia news."

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[Bee Tagger]

New poll: 54 percent of voters "say Trump is abusing the powers of his office."

Even the pollster is too scared to ask the "are you ok with that?" follow-up.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hello.

If responders to poll questions are anything like me, I wouldn't trust them.

[prolefeed]

54 percent of voters "say Trump is abusing the powers of his office."

They left off the follow up question to parse out if a yes meant "Trump is super icky": "Do you think every president in your lifetime abused the powers of their office, specifically those limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution?"

[Ron]

the follow up question should always be what powers did he abuse? the sound of crickets would follow

[Azathoth!!]

Still the same pollsters that said Hillary had a 95% chance of winning?

Yes?

Ah.

[Fist of Etiquette]

54 percent of voters "say Trump is abusing the powers of his office."

So close to 47% not believing it.

[Bee Tagger]

At least Trump didn't abuse the power he has over his dog by putting it on the roof of his car.

[loveconstitution1789]

This almost seems like all Democrat voters saying that Trump is bad and everyone that voted for Trump say that Trump is not bad. Everyone else in the USA will just go along with who is president.

[Rhywun]

So close to 47% not believing it.

That's pretty impressive considering the wall-to-wall media coverage telling them otherwise.

[Bee Tagger]

President Donald Trump is in Brussels for meetings with NATO leaders and EU officials.

He prefers his sprouts well-done and smothered in ketchup.

[God]

Did you see where the Pope roasted Melania about Donald's diet? That was me. I told him to ask that question. Good times.

[loveconstitution1789]

Jesus Christ! Who do you think you are?

[God]

You're right man. I need help. Dr. Phil I need your advice again.

[notJoe]

Oh for fuck's sake, another AdictionMyth puppet.

[BearOdinson]

Remember when your son got nailed to that cross? My son had his hammer out at the time and we laughed!

-Odin

[The Last American Hero]

Pretty rich that a Pontiff that consumes the flesh and blood of a dead man on a daily basis is handing out diet suggestions.

[MarkLastname]

You laugh, but human meat is rich in both vitamins and proteins.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Greg Gianforte, Republican candidate in today's special congressional election in Montana, has been charged with assault by the police after allegedly body-slamming a journalist.

Move over, Mr. President.

[Bee Tagger]

You don't tell him to move over, you move him over.

[loveconstitution1789]

Gianforte for President 2024!

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

I think he is gonna get Spicer's gig.

Body-slamming twink JournoLists sure beats hiding in the bushes.

[loveconstitution1789]

And an HBO show "Gianfortes". The mob in Montana. Oooohhhh, fooooget about it!

[LoneWaco]

Austin 3:16 says he just kicked his ass

[Bee Tagger]

White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus is reportedly worried about the existence of possible memos written by former FBI Director James Comey detailing Priebus's efforts "on the president's behalf in trying to use the FBI to quash the Trump-Russia news."

Really seems like a worry you would keep to yourself.

[I can't even]

"Reportedly"

- A weasel-word indicating that what follows is probably made-up BS.

[Fist of Etiquette]

White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus is reportedly worried about the existence of possible memos written by former FBI Director James Comey detailing Priebus's efforts "on the president's behalf in trying to use the FBI to quash the Trump-Russia news."

Ha, I love the extra layers to this one.

[Citizen X - #6]

It's like a seven-layer burrito from Taco Bell, except made of shame, disgrace, and corruption. In other words, it's exactly like a seven-layer burrito from Taco Bell.

[$park? leftist poser]

Watch it, mister. I eat five or six of those burritos when I go to Taco Bell. Don't you shame-shame me.

[Citizen X - #6]

Same here, but i acknowledge the truth.

Nothing is more awesome than eating Taco Bell, and nothing is more miserable than five minutes after that.

[Bee Tagger]

"A British official says police in Manchester will stop sharing information about their bombing investigation with the U.S. until they get a guarantee that there will be no more leaks to the news media."

Guarantees aren't that hard to give out.

[Anomalous]

Get it in writing. Then if you run out of toilet paper, you have something to wipe your ass with.

[Rat on a train]

Tommy: Chicken wings! Let's think about this for a sec, Ted, why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting.
Ted Nelson: Go on, I'm listening.
Tommy: Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside.
Ted Nelson: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
Tommy: 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?
Ted Nelson: What's your point?
Tommy: The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Buildin' model airplanes!" says the little fairy, well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off your dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I've seen it a hundred times.
Ted Nelson: But why do they put a guarantee on the box?
Tommy: Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I've got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me.
Ted Nelson: Okay, I'll buy from you.

[loveconstitution1789]

Holy schnikies!

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Drinking coffee may help prevent liver cancer, study suggests

Compared with people who drank no coffee, those who drank one cup a day had a 20% lower risk of developing HCC, according to the study, published in the journal BMJ Open.

Those who consumed two cups a day had a 35% reduced risk and for those who drank five cups, the risk was halved. They found the protective effect for decaf was "smaller and less certain than for caffeinated coffee".

Stave off that cirrhosis, people.

[Bee Tagger]

Don't talk to me before I've staved off my morning liver cancer.

[Karen24]

So the message is to guzzle Kahlua?

[Citizen X - #6]

If you do, it cancels out.

[some guy]

So, Kahlua is the only safe liqueur? Excuse me while I contact my stock broker...

[Citizen X - #6]

It's the most efficient one, but what kind of maniac even attempts to get through a hangover without at least a pot of coffee the next day?

[$park? leftist poser]

*raises hand*

[pan fried wylie]

Condensing the coffee doesn't count.

[BestUsedCarSales]

I just drink a bunch of the Cucumber Gatorade.

[Eric L]

"Compared with people who drank no coffee,..." because they preferred drinking booze.

Love this part; "There needs to be more investigation into the potential harms of high coffee-caffeine intake,"

"Our research adds to the evidence that, in moderation, coffee can be a wonderful natural medicine." Like the Greeks said, "A little bit of everything and in moderation."

[God]

Greg Gianforte, Republican candidate in today's special congressional election in Montana, has been charged with assault by the police after allegedly body-slamming a journalist.

You left out the best part. Greggy poo immediately lied through his fucking teeth about it. I smell a lawsuit, a deposition and then sulfur. You're going to hell Gianforte.

[loveconstitution1789]

If the reporter touched Gianforte in any way then he also committed battery.

Unwarranted throwing people to the ground is not legal, so we will wait for the police to investigate.

There is a clear narrative here for the left- win Montana at all costs. Gianforte will still win Montana.

[God]

Dude do you know who you're talking to bro. I see everything. Gia is going down. I even allowed Fox News to witness the assault but still you resist. We'll talk later tonight after you've masturbated into that sock under your mattress.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

I bet "sock under your mattress" was your nickname in college.

[loveconstitution1789]

I got Gia to down on me once.

[BearOdinson]

Maybe if you spent more time killing murderers and oath-breakers, and less time getting your jollies off watching consenting adults masturbate, we might be able to stave off Ragnarok!
-Odin

[loveconstitution1789]

Ragnarok is a blast!

[Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon]

"has been charged with assault by the police"

But very reluctantly, because they all agreed that it was a police-thug-quality body slam. 9.5/10

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Ben Jacobs.

Ben Jacobs.

Sounds Jewish.

So he is one of your people, amirite?

[Fist of Etiquette]

"A British official says police in Manchester will stop sharing information about their bombing investigation with the U.S. until they get a guarantee that there will be no more leaks to the news media."

I'm not sure now is the time to make meaningless political grandstanding, but whatever. I'm sure the US intelligence community will soldier on without that.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

This coffee butter-chugging startup just pulled in $19 million more in funding

His company and lifestyle brand Bulletproof 360 claims to make coffee free of something called mycotoxins, which is, basically, mold and can make you very ill if ingested. Asprey says about 75 percent of other brands are full of these mycotoxins and they are affecting the brains and bodies of America's leaders. But for $18.95 you can get a bag of Asprey's "Upgraded" blend of zero mycotoxins coffee.

Wait, only drink this coffee, not toxin coffee!

[Bee Tagger]

How can I be expected to make such a rational and beneficial decision with all of these mytotoxins clouding my brain?

[$park? leftist poser]

What good is mold-free coffee if you're just going to put moldy cream and moldy sugar in it?

[Bee Tagger]

That's phase 2

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Roquefort: Phase 3.

[Citizen X - #6]

I know people who are into Bulletproof coffee. You don't put moldy cream and moldy sugar in it - you put moldy coconut oil and moldy grass-fed butter. For serious.

[$park? leftist poser]

Good thing they don't use coconut water.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Good coffee with a pat of good butter is da Bomb.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

I got interested in it years ago when - I think - it was just starting out. It's a bunch of fat with coffee, what's not to like? Then I read on and they started talking about toxins and how it can only work if you get super special green coffee from a certain part of South America, and the magic was gone.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

Oh, and the right kind of coconut oil, too. Not just the 'cheap' stuff you pick up in a store.

[gaoxiaen]

Just put the correct mycotoxins in it, such as psilocin, in it. Pretty soon you'd have a committed consumer base.

[Mike Laursen]

Can't wait to see the mycotoxin defense used in court.

[BearOdinson]

For Fuck sake!!

DEATH WISH COFFEE

VALHALLA JAVA

[$park? leftist poser]

"A British official says police in Manchester will stop sharing information about their bombing investigation with the U.S. until they get a guarantee that there will be no more leaks to the news media."

Someone tell those damn limeys that having a free, open press with which all information, including dates and times of secret operations, is shared is the only way to have a free society. The. Only. Way.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte may extend martial law "throughout the country."

HOW LONG UNTIL TRUMP DOES THAT HERE? #resist

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

I was waiting for the new God-commenter to do that one.

[Jerryskids]

Greg Gianforte, Republican candidate in today's special congressional election in Montana, has been charged with assault by the police after allegedly body-slamming a journalist.

The guy worked for the Graudian so he was a "journalist", and body-slamming a Democratic operative masquerading as a hack ought to be worth about a 10 point bump in the polls these days.

[paranoid android]

I know you're kidding but that is no-shit what troglodytes on Twitter/etc are saying.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Plus, the journalist was a neckbearded hipster nerd journalist, so basically the enemy of every right thinking person.

[DanO.]

Did he graduate from Columbia Journalism School?
Har har har!

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Oh, there you are.

Thought mebbe you had changed your handle, yet again.

[notJoe]

It's playing God to get attention today. Just leave it be and maybe it'll go away.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

The nerd had glasses, and then cried about them breaking! Gianforte was doing you a favor, nerd!

[loveconstitution1789]

I guarantee that when Gianforte is the Congressman from Montana no reporter is going to jam recording devices into his face.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

So you're saying it's a First Amendment violation as well?

[loveconstitution1789]

Because to lefties not being to jam stuff into people's faces they don't like is a violation of the Constitution.

Trying to limit the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms is not a violation of the Constitution to lefties though.

Mishandling classified information is not a violation of federal law to lefties though.

Whistleblowing violations of the Constitution to the public are a clear and present danger to the lefties though.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

""Trying to limit the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms is not a violation of the Constitution to lefties though.""

Specifically, the requirement that you must show an ID to exercise that right. Which I hear is a requirement that disenfranchises minorities and the poor from exercising a right

[TrickyVic (old school)]

""Mishandling classified information is not a violation of federal law to lefties though.""

When their team does it.

[Jerryskids]

Funny thing is that the media is trumpeting the fact that this is going to cost Gianforte the election without realizing that that's kinda contrary to the narrative that the lunatics are running the asylum. They're claiming this election is a litmus test for Trumpism when we're talking about Wisconsin - Reagan was the last Republican to carry the state before Trump and Robert Lafollette and his Progressive Party once upon a time carried Wisconsin. A folk singer political novice defeating a Trump-backed Republican in Alabama would be big news, not Wisconsin. Trump carrying Wisconsin in the first place was the big story - that's how horrible Hillary was that even the socialists in Wisconsin wouldn't vote for her dumb ass. A reversion to the mean is not a watershed moment.

[loveconstitution1789]

"...that's kinda contrary to the narrative that the lunatics are running the asylum".

And there it is!

Everyone in Montana is insane, ammirite? They will hand Gianforte a win in this election and they mostly voted for Trump over Hillary, so they are lunatics, ammirite?

I am so glad lefties do not realize that they are the lunatics and will continue to lose elections. Crazy people don't know that they are crazy after all.

[Jgalt1975]

Funny thing is that the media is trumpeting the fact that this is going to cost Gianforte the election

[CITATION NEEDED] All the coverage I've seen has said that Gianforte is most likely still going to win, especially when early voting is factored in.

[Stormy Dragon]

Hey, everyone remember when the commenters all had to sit on the fainting couch for a month because of how outraged they were by Shikha Dalmia insufficient condemnation of anti-fa types using violence to shut people up?

[DanO.]

THAT'S DIFFERENT YOU COMMIE HILLARY FELLATIST.

[Mickey Rat]

Is anyone here dedending what this guy did (outside of obvious tongue-in-cheek posts)?

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Yes.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

Exactly the people you'd expect.

[Citizen X - #6]

Shikha actually blamed the victims of the attacks for "baiting and inciting," but it IS outrage all the way down.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

You made this comment way too early, guy.

[Citizen X - #6]

What can i say? I get shit done, son.

[mad.casual]

Hey, everyone remember when the commenters all had to sit on the fainting couch for a month because of how outraged they were by Shikha Dalmia insufficient condemnation of anti-fa types using violence to shut people up?

Did I miss Gianforte and his campaign staff burning cars in the street and smashing store windows? Were his campaign staffers just as incredulous and indignant as the AntiFa protestors that they'd even been detained? Despite all the property damage, documented evidence, and violence, everybody's walking away, no charges are being filed, and all's well that ends well just like at Berkeley, right?

[loveconstitution1789]

I listened to the audio and if you get body-slammed, it takes more than a second to get up and get your shit together to ask for names of people in the room and repeatedly say how your glasses are broken.

This is a no-video he said/he said with witnesses fight that the police will have to work out.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

he said/he said with witnesses

I mean, there are witnesses.

[loveconstitution1789]

Yup he said/he said with witnesses.

The FOX crew story said they saw no aggressive behavior by the reporter except put the recording device up to Ginaforte's face. Gianforte informed the reporter to talk with some other guy but the reporter kept the device in Gianforte's face.

Unlike the reactionary media who are trying to be as biased as possible for the left to win, I will wait for the police investigation to wrap up and all the stories to get out there.

As I said before, the media is claiming a "bodyslam" which most people just do not bounce back up from. The FOX crew said that Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck and they both went down, then Gianforte punched the reporter in the face.

I don't think any reporter ever jammed a recording device in Obama's face to get information. Secret Service would have "bodyslammed" that person.

[paranoid android]

Stop lying by framing this as "he said/he said" as if the two sides are equally believable. One side has multiple witnesses and an audio tape that all corroborate it; the other side is provably being dishonest. I don't think whether the attack met the technical qualifications of a "bodyslam" is strictly relevant to anything, given what the Fox crew described happening.

[loveconstitution1789]

As I said, its wrong to assault someone unprovoked.

The media and politicians tend to be fucking liars, so I don't believe either side.

Funny how the left now believes what a FOX news crew says.

[TrickyVic (old school)]

""Funny how the left now believes what a FOX news crew says.""

Not suprising. They think Tump is totally untrustworty unless his says something they want to here.

[ThomasD]

"multiple witnesses and an audio tape that all corroborate it"

Hoo boy.

Ingraham asked Acuna if that meant she was changing her story.

"Again, just to clarify, he didn't grab him by the neck with both hands in the way that was initially described, that's not quite accurate," Ingraham asked at the end of the interview.

"?No, so it wasn't like he grabbed him around the neck, he had one hand on each side of his neck," Acuna confirmed.

...

Gianforte's campaign released a statement shortly after the incident Wednesday that offered a different take on the scuffle than that put forward by Acuna.

"Tonight, as Greg was giving a separate interview in a private office, the Guardian's Ben Jacobs entered the office without permission, aggressively shoved a recorder in Greg's face, and began asking badgering questions," the statement read. "Jacobs was asked to leave."

"Greg then attempted to grab the phone that was pushed in his face," the Gianforte statement continues, "Jacobs grabbed Greg's wrist, and spun away from Greg, pushing them both to the ground."

https://tinyurl.com/k7eorbo

Anyone want to argue that the charges wont disappear as soon as the election is over???

[tgrondo]

After the body slam, Gianforte gave the journalist a pile-driver.....and then a flying elbow off the top rope...Nice.

[loveconstitution1789]

The FOX crew was in shock because they were waiting for Gianforte to tag his partner to pin the reporter for the tapout.

[loveconstitution1789]

Best UFC ...eva

[mad.casual]

Best UFC ...eva

I don't exactly have a dog in the fight so to speak, but I keep reading 'bodyslam'. The link CJ provided above would be more accurately described as a bodyslam followed up with some ground-'n-pound.

[loveconstitution1789]

There might be a difference in what people call "body slams"
wrestling body slam

street body slam
That chick did not get up from that body slam.

[mad.casual]

There might be a difference in what people call "body slams"

At that point, Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him. Faith, Keith and I watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, "I'm sick and tired of this!"

Again, I have no idea of the veracity/accuracy but, personally, that description invokes memories of Hughes v. Tripp 2.

[tgrondo]

Yeah...."body slam" implies a certain amount of athleticism....these two were probably wrestling around and they tripped and fell over!

I find it odd that the Fox news crew was there but there is no video???

What kind of "news hound" doesn't whip out the video cam when they see something is about to go down??????

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Most Americans would have more sex if they just did this

ewer than one in four (23%) Americans who get paid time off from work take all of their eligible vacation days, according to a survey of more than 2200 adults released Wednesday by job search site Glassdoor.com. What's more, another one in four took fewer than 25% of the vacation days given to them in the past year, and 9% did not take a single day.

The No. 1 reason employees aren't using their paid time off: A fear of getting behind at work (34%). That's followed by the fact that people feel no one else at the company can do their work while they're out (30%), that they're super dedicated to their job (22%), and that they feel uncomfortable with being disconnected (21%).

Whatever the reasons for skipping time off, one thing is clear ? it's killing your sex life. Women have more sex on vacation than they normally would,

Fun fact: people need to get over themselves - you aren't important.
Funner fact: I need to get a job at a vacation resort.

[God]

Give us the Funnerest fact!

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

You aren't creative enough to pull off this character.

[Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting]

Even the idiot that does it on Facebook/Twitter isn't clever enough to pull it off.

[BestUsedCarSales]

It's hard. Plus people's concept of God varies so greatly. For instance, I like to imagine Him as a mischievous badger.

[God]

Judge not lest do you realize how lame your repetitive shit is?

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

You are really not creative enough, but please continue.

[God]

I'm clever enough to have claimed the God handle you son of bitch. God what am I doing. I don't want to banish you to hell Crusty. Truce?

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

If you want we can probably crowdsource better material for you. I mean, it may be lame and repetitive material that we produce, but at least it's something, you know?

[notJoe]

Stop feeding the AddictionMyth freak.

[Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting]

Judge not lest do you realize how lame your repetitive shit is?

God would at least be clever enough to write in coherent sentences.

[$park? leftist poser]

they feel uncomfortable with being disconnected (21%)

ERMAHGERD! NER WER-FER!

[Rufus The Monocled]

YOU need to get over yourself.

/DanO. comment of the day.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Zillow hears your 'Zestimate' complaints: it's offering a $1 million prize for a better algorithm

Get cracking, nerds.

[Bee Tagger]

Money better spent would focus on a better name.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Greg Gianforte, Republican candidate in today's special congressional election in Montana, has been charged with assault by the police after allegedly body-slamming a journalist.

Does the NAP dictate that I have to be sad that the old white guy body-slammed the scruffy looking JournoList?

I mean, it was The Guardian, after all ...

[DanO.]

For a "libertarian" site, there sure are a lot of authoritarian thugs around.

[loveconstitution1789]

Did the media already stop running stories about thugs in black clothes rioting because Hillary lost?

Did the media stop running stories about thugs attacking pro-Trump supporters at peaceful campaign events?

Did the media do every biased thing to try and get Ossoff elected in the Georgia special election?

Did the media do every biased thing to try and get Rob Quist elected in the Montana special election?

Sure are a lot of authoritarian lefty thugs around.

[MarkLastname]

No wonder you feel right at home here.

[BestUsedCarSales]

I would say no, NAP doesn't dictate your feelings towards it. So you can feel a twinge of joy from the action while still saying he shouldn't have body slammed the guy.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Fitness trackers are largely inaccurate when counting calories, Stanford researchers say

The devices proved most accurate for white women who were already fit, meaning "for those for whom it might matter the most, who are trying to lose weight, the error was actually greater," Ashley told NPR, speculating that perhaps the companies only test the devices on a narrow group of people.

Wow. Just wow. I can't even rite now u guys.

[$park? leftist poser]

If you read the fine print on Fitbit instructions, you'll see it clearly says "No fat chicks".

[Bee Tagger]

Part of me wants to find out how the "white" part got in that sentence but part of me just wants to enjoy the mystery.

[Citizen X - #6]

White girls got flat asses. It is known.

[gaoxiaen]

You misspelled "fat".

[Rhywun]

perhaps the companies only test the devices on a narrow group of people

Black bodies must exercise differently from white bodies.

[Rufus The Monocled]

'Narrow group of people.'

I see what they did there.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's exactly like the movie The Insider except replace cigarettes with those apps and 60 Minutes with, I don't know, Buzzfeed or some shit.

[Meh.]

I'm a little confused by this, honestly. I get what the article is saying, if you're relying on this for an accurate calorie burn calculator (a dumb idea anyway) and it overestimates, you're screwed... but if it's most accurate for fit women, wouldn't that mean that it's underestimating the calorie count for most people? Since according to most calorie burn calculators, women burn less calories for the same activities as men. And also, most calorie burn algorithms have you burning more calories the more you weigh. I get that muscle mass figures into all of that too, but still. It seems like they're trying to create racially-fueled outrage over data that doesn't really support what they're trying to prove (and is minimally connected to race).

[mad.casual]

I'm a little confused by this, honestly. I get what the article is saying, if you're relying on this for an accurate calorie burn calculator (a dumb idea anyway) and it overestimates, you're screwed... but if it's most accurate for fit women, wouldn't that mean that it's underestimating the calorie count for most people?

I think accuracy and precision are being (ab)used interchangeably. I also think that caloric *balance* (and the algorithms that go into it) are at the heart of the question (propagation of error).

I heard this story on NPR last night and at least one watch was being described as 93% inaccurate. The issue/story wasn't at all about race and was more of a 'Top Men' issue; people are walking into their doctor's office handing them a mountain of fitness data and the doctor's have no idea what any of it really means.

Turns out fat, lazy Americans can just buy a smartwatch to prevent their doctors from knowing how to tell them to exercise more and eat less.

[BestUsedCarSales]

Damn, well then I will formally offer my services to all black women looking to lose weight. We will figure it out together.

[loveconstitution1789]

"Greg Gianforte, Republican candidate in today's special congressional election in Montana, has been charged with assault by the police after allegedly body-slamming a journalist."
Gianforte was cited for assault. As in not arrested, so there's that going for him.

There is probably more to this story and the lefty side of story is win the Montana Congressional race at all costs.

Gianforte will still win and the left will move on from this story as a #1 news spot to some TDS story.

[DanO.]

^ Clearly a disciple of President Puff Thuggy.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Video of DanO. revealed.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

Better one.

[loveconstitution1789]

I know, waiting for non-parties to investigate is InSAne

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Playboy model Dani Mathers ordered to clean up LA streets for posting picture of nude woman

Under terms of the plea, Mathers will be on probation for three years and must not take photos of people or post them online without their permission.

I'm pleasantly surprised.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Alright, alright I'll ask the hard question (rips sheet from Crusty's hand): How many dicks can fit in that mouth?

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

There are too many variables in your question Rufus, but I am glad to see that I'm not the only Reason commenter who enjoys pressing hog.

[$park? leftist poser]

enjoys pressing hog

That's barely even a euphemism.

[Citizen X - #6]

Not a euphemism at all. Crusty cans his own ham, it is known.

[$park? leftist poser]

How many chinchillas per ham loaf?

[Citizen X - #6]

7.3.

[Rufus The Monocled]

How do you calculate the .3?

Dr. Johnny Fever asks.

[MarkLastname]

Wow, how many ribs do you have to get removed to do that?

[gaoxiaen]

Would. Either one.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus is reportedly worried about the existence of possible memos written by former FBI Director James Comey detailing Priebus's efforts "on the president's behalf in trying to use the FBI to quash the Trump-Russia news."

According to CNN, Priebus asked Comey and his then-top deputy, Andrew McCabe, on Feb. 15 to refute news reports about conversations between Trump campaign staff and Russian government officials. Comey and McCabe reportedly refused.

The White House denied the story at the time.

So did Comey and McCabe ... under oath.

[Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon]

Time to cancel this sit-com.
CNN is running out of premises.

[hpearce]

I wonder how that reported got access to private property without an invite.
That certainly could be considered trespassing.
Whether to body-slam is excessive is a court decision and may depend on whether the reporter was known/recognizable or not

[Citizen X - #6]

You guys, i'm starting to suspect this new God commenter might just be DanO attempting a re-brand. There are certain similar verbal tics. Stay frosty, everyone.

[Gene]

Stay paranoid, everyone.

[BestUsedCarSales]

No need to remind us. We're already libertarians.

[Citizen X - #6]

It wouldn't be the first name change for ol' DanO/dajjal/AddictionMyth.

[MarkLastname]

Go away, Tulpa.

[notJoe]

It certainly is.

How retarded do you have to be to get outed within a half dozen posts on a new handle. It's damaged.

[Domestic Dissident]

Greg Gianforte, Republican candidate in today's special congressional election in Montana, has been charged with assault by the police after allegedly body-slamming a journalist.

Was it Dave Weigel? Please tell me it was Dave Weigel.

I wouldn't normally condone putting WWF finishing moves on a JournoList, but Weigel deserves a body-slam, followed up by the DDT, followed by a tombstone piledriver, and then add on a good figure 4 leg lock just for good measure.

[Citizen X - #6]

Two completely unsurprising facts:

1. Simple Mikey doesn't click links to find out basic information before making a comment that, given the existence and easy accessibility of said information, reminds us all how dumb he is; and

2. Simple Mikey is a fan of professional wrestling.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Also, Dave Weigel - or at least the person currently using the Weigel's name - has been debunking the Seth Rich bullshit for the Washington Post, which is more evidence that Mikey is in fact Dave Weigel.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

I was going to propose this a few days ago, but I got laz

[Domestic Dissident]

Nobody has debunked jack shit, not your buddy Weigel, nor anyone else. We have the same exact questions we had a few days ago, and have had for a while now. Some of these unresolved questions are:

1) Why was DCPD so quick to label the killing a "botched robbery" when it appears as though no valuables were taken from Rich?

2) Was has no further investigation been done since then?

3) Why, when directly asked on multiple occasions if Seth Rich was the source of his DNC e-mails, did Julian Assange do everything to confirm it short of directly saying "yes"?

4) Why would Julian Assange put out a reward for the killer/s of a supposed random victim of a random street killing for someone that he didn't know and had nothing to do with? People are killed every day.

5) Why hasn't the FBI, the CIA, or any other law enforcement agency been permitted to do a forensic examination of the DNC servers, especially when we're to believe they were hacked into?

6) Where is/are Seth Rich's personal computer/s right now? Has a forensic examination been done of those computers? If no, why not? And if so, what do those results show?

7) Why is the "mainstream" media so adamant that nobody should be allowed to question the official line on this case, or even talk about this case at all because Seth Rich's parents are upset? The media have never shown this sort of concern for the privacy wishes of a victim's family in recent modern journalistic history.

[paranoid android]

BUT CAN JET FUEL MELT STEEL BEAMS, MIKEY!!!???

[$park? leftist poser]

Why was DCPD so quick to label the killing a "botched robbery" when it appears as though no valuables were taken from Rich?

Do you know what the word 'botched' means?

[$park? leftist poser]

Why, when directly asked on multiple occasions if Seth Rich was the source of his DNC e-mails, did Julian Assange do everything to confirm it short of directly saying "yes"?

When directly asked he didn't directly answer therefore true. Excellent logic.

[gaoxiaen]

Dwayne Johnson 2020. Jesse Ventura VP.

[loveconstitution1789]

That's too much testosterone in the White House.

Chicks just looking at pictures of the White House will get pregnant.

[LoneWaco]

stupid journalists can't even do their own job right. it's called being choke slammed straight to hell. ever hear of The Undertaker assholes?

[Inigo Montoya]

New poll: 54 percent of voters "say Trump is abusing the powers of his office."

And to think we were told that Trump just doesn't have what it takes to be President!
Looks like he is proving everyone wrong.

[Ken Shultz]

"Acuna and her crew "watched in disbelief as Gianforte then began punching the reporter. As Gianforte moved on top of Jacobs, he began yelling something to the effect of, 'I'm sick and tired of this!'"

I want to move to Montana just so I can vote for this guy.

Everybody's always complaining about bias in the media--finally someone's willing to do something about it.

http://tinyurl.com/kq5ckxs

No need to violate the First Amendment. Let a jury decide.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Did Ken just turn in both his high-minded morality and libertarian badges?

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

At least Gianforte didn't call Jacobs a cunt.

[Ken Shultz]

Ken was kidding . . . to a certain extent.

If you guys want to get all philosophical on this, . . .

I don't believe the government has a legitimate monopoly on violence, and the fact that free people are sometimes willing to take the penalty on principle shouldn't be completely discounted by assholes.

Certainly, just because something is illegal, like punching a jackass in the face, doesn't mean it should never happen in a free society--a jackass can deserve to be punched in the face. Don't we have a jury system specifically to handle questions like that?

If some asswipe is being lewd in public to someone's daughter or girlfriend or wife, and he gets popped in the face for it, the asswipes of the world need to know ahead of time that one juror in 12 might not be able to find it in his or her conscience to send the perpetrator to jail.

Sue them in civil court, where a simple majority of jurors decide, and you're in a different ballgame.

As far as the ethics go, those are situational--and just because the government has a legitimate role in protecting the rights of jackholes doesn't mean it can't be perfectly ethical to pop someone in the mouth. Ethics /= Law is kind of foundational libertarianism.

Meanwhile, you should try to lighten up a bit. Find yourself a sense of humor. Some candidate punching someone in the mouth is probably less important than Trump's tweets, and Trump's tweets are remarkably unimportant.

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

Thanks for clarifying.

That was sarcasm, by the way.

[loveconstitution1789]

Another thing is that the left is scared that Ginaforte will win the special election and be acquitted by a jury.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

"I want to move to Montana just so I can vote for this guy." Me too. Also planning on becoming a dental floss tycoon.

[Ken Shultz]

"Greg Gianforte, Republican candidate in today's special congressional election in Montana, has been charged with assault by the police after allegedly body-slamming a journalist."

He's been charged with assault, but it isn't assault if one out of twelve jurors says it isn't assault.

[Domestic Dissident]

I hope Trump gives the guy the Presidential Medal of Freedom. There are a lot of guys in the media these days who deserve to be choke slammed.

[loveconstitution1789]

I am going to put Gianforte in for a Noble Peace prize. If Obama can get one....

[loveconstitution1789]

The left cannot win a special election if there is not some gimmick.

They tried gimmicks in Georgia for Gossoff. Alyssa MiIlano was driving voters to the polls. If I was in that district, I would have taken the ride, hit on Alyssa the whole car ride and then told them that I was voting for anyone but Gossoff.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

Complicated gimmick, manipulating the R candidate into assaulting a journalist. The Left is a lot more competent than I thought.

[loveconstitution1789]

Because putting devices in people's faces is not designed to elicit a response.

Since clearly some lefties need caveats
****You should not touch people who do not threaten you or try and hurt you****

The media gets to do whatever they want too! They can barge into meetings, interrupt other interviews, jam devices into people's faces, accuse people of crimes, etc.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

The response is to answer a question.

Funny that you keep complaining about incomplete information, but you are so sure that you know where Jacobs was in relation to Gianforte, what Jacobs's behavior was like, how close his recorder was to Gianforte's face, etc.

[loveconstitution1789]

I admit that I was not there and do not know all the facts. I am clearly pontificating unlike some of y'all who are so sure.

[SKR]

The Fox news reporters have demonstrated how close the phone was to his face and it was about a foot away. That's pretty much the standard distance for placing a mic in front of a politician of whom you are interviewing since the invention of portable audio recording.

[loveconstitution1789]

Except its not. Modern mics don't need to be less than 12 inches from a speaker to have clear sound.
Mic usage

Some microphones are held away from an interviewee and some are not. We don't know since it was audio of the incident not video.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

This is hilarious. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Jacobs did not go in there with a shotgun mic. Trying recording yourself with a cell phone or personal recorder 3 or 4 or however many feet away you deem is outside of your personal space. Do it in a room with several other people talking or setting up gear. Then transcribe what you recorded.

A foot away from the subject is standard, it's what has been done since man figured out how to record sound, and it has yet to be declared an aggressive invasion of personal space. Jesus, hold anything a foot away from your face; do you feel threatened or bothered?

[loveconstitution1789]

The link that I provided has shotgun mic information and other mic information.

You are hilarious! We have no idea what equipment Jacobs had but you are sure certain. Its like YOU were there.

I love how you say the standard is 1 foot but do not even attempt to provide any support. Its like YOU are a reporter.

Jesus, hold anything a foot away from your face; do you feel threatened or bothered?

I feel threatened when someone holds a gun 1 foot from my face. I feel threatened when someone holds a shovel 1 foot from my face. I feel threatened when someone holds a knife 1 foot from my face.

Should I add more example to counter your nonsense hyperbole?

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

And you linked to a page on recording sound for video interviews in a controlled environment. I can speak with authority on that. See where the lav mics are placed? They're not tied to the subject's belt. They're meant to be no more than a foot away from the mouth. A shotgun mic on a boom or camera is ideally 1-2 feet away, and that's only because of its large construction. A handheld mic should be held no more than a foot away from your mouth.

Go ahead and record yourself with your cell phone, which is what plenty of journalists use nowadays. I read last night he was using a phone, but reports today say recorder. I also have a standard recorder which I use frequently. I could run some tests for you tonight, if you'd like.

[MarkLastname]

Um, maybe in the legal sense of the word; but assault as an action (or wrong in he moral sense), whether it happened isn't effected by whether the jury thinks it did.

[Ken Shultz]

"New poll: 54 percent of voters "say Trump is abusing the powers of his office."

How many of them use green toothpaste?

I mean . . . seriously, people buy green toothpaste. I've seen 'em do it!

They'll tell you it's mint. I don't care what they say--that's green. freakin'. toothpaste. I'm not smearing green shit all over my teeth. What is wrong with people?

[Kivlor]

"As the crew was setting up, Gianforte was approached by the Guardian's Ben Jacobs, who put a voice recorder "to Gianforte's face and began asking if he had a response to the newly released Congressional Budget Office report on the American Health Care Act," the Republican replacement for the Affordable Care Act, she wrote.

"Gianforte," Acuna wrote, "told him he would get back to him later. Jacobs persisted with his question. Gianforte told him to talk to his press guy, Shane Scanlon."

"At that point," she wrote, "Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him.""

I don't live in some fancy 'burb overrun by cosmos, and where I'm from this would get a guy put on the ground. Not the questions, but insistently invading someones personal space, shoving something in their face. And, in my jurisdiction incitement is when a "reasonable person" would react in such a way, so Mr. Jacobs would not get much sympathy out here. Most likely, charges would be dropped. Don't know about Montana...

"at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte"

And yet a lot of people would interpret getting in someone's face, and shoving your recorder up to their eyes an aggressive act.

[paranoid android]

He assaulted Gianforte with his biased liberal questions!

[loveconstitution1789]

The media overlooked this little nugget of info about putting something in someone's face and then continue to do it after being told to speak with someone else.

Their narrative is that all GOP politicians and supporters are raving lunatics who attack people without provocation.

Something something Trump.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

I'm super tough, but don't shove a recorder near my face!

[Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"]

This has been en enlightening thread, because I've learned that:

-if a person is a member of the media, they deserve to be assaulted
-witnesses to an assault don't matter
-politicians are too fragile to answer questions
-the NAP no longer applies

[paranoid android]

Ken just seems animated by an imperative to appear contrarian about the story of the day in all circumstances, no matter what. If there's near universal condemnation of Gianforte even from conservatives, then principles be damned, there must be a way to paint him as a real American hero protecting himself from the vicious assaults of journalists with their questions.

[Ken Shultz]

Tongue was firmly planted in cheek, Buddy Roe.

What, are you gettin' divorced or somethin'?

[paranoid android]

I guess it's hard to gauge how serious or unserious you're being when there are people no-shit cheering on this behavior.

[loveconstitution1789]

Some people are saying that ***unprovoked violence is not okay*** but the media's version of events is skewed to influence the special election in Montana. Some of us are even saying to wait for judgment until an investigation or trial is finished.

I know crazy talk when you have a clear agenda to win that Montana special election!

[Ken Shultz]

It's a fight!

People love fights.

There's something really honest about it.

They want to see candidates be honest--and they hate the media. The news media (according to Gallup) polls lower than Trump's approval rating!

[paranoid android]

Actually a "fight" usually involves two parties engaging each other on more or less co-equal terms. This would be more accurately described as a thuggish unjustified assault.

And if that's the kind of "honesty" that people are going to cheer for, I have to apologize to my liberal friends whom I accused of being hyperbolic about the threat of fascism in America.

[loveconstitution1789]

fight
f?t/
verb: fight; 3rd person present: fights; past tense: fought; past participle: fought; gerund or present participle: fighting
1. take part in a violent struggle involving the exchange of physical blows or the use of weapons.

noun: fight; plural noun: fights
1. a violent confrontation or struggle.

Also defined as a violent confrontation and it can be one-sided. I wonder why you would be so scared to use the term fight? Maybe because that would imply the fight was not unprovoked.

[paranoid android]

You believe whatever makes you happy, you disgusting little fascist.

[loveconstitution1789]

A fascist like you says whatever propaganda is in your head without waiting for Due Process or any facts.

[$park? leftist poser]

then principles be damned

That's Ken's SOP.

[loveconstitution1789]

This HAS been an enlightening thread, because I've learned that:

-suddenly members of media are now supposed to be believed without investigation
-witnesses who are members of the media are supposed to be believed unconditionally
-politicians are supposed to allow people putting device "in their face" even though this violates most customs for personal space
-you cannot stand your ground
-there is nothing suspicious about the left needing this Congressional win and a British reporter is suddenly "body slammed" but not body slammed the night before the special election.
-this story deserves to be the #1 story in America today
-if you seemingly break the law and are cited by police, you don't get a fair trial before being convicted in the media...unless... your last name is Obama, Clinton, Kennedy

[Kivlor]

I've found it enlightening too Crusty. I've learned:

-journalists don't have to follow the same etiquette requirements that regular citizens do.
-witness testimony should be misconstrued to the journalists advantage at all costs.
-not wanting someone in your personal space means you are "too fragile to answer questions"
-the NAP only counts when it is suitable to some left-wing narrative. Aggressive actions against the wrong party don't count as aggressive actions.

[loveconstitution1789]

The more the media is hyping this right before the special election, the more suspicious I am of the whole thing.

I hate that the media and the left has made me so skeptical of everything they say and do, that the exact opposite is usually what happened. So I default to that.

[loveconstitution1789]

Two words: Personal space

Buzz Aldrin punch!

[Kivlor]

Now take this video, and imagine if the guy hadn't been standing back a bit, but had been getting in Aldrin's face, shoving some recording device up at his eyes. He'd definitely have had it coming.

I actually think Aldrin was a little out of line here. But he was getting to the point of fighting words, accusing the guy of being a fraud and claiming his greatest career achievement was made up. The fool was certainly picking a fight.

[loveconstitution1789]

I really go by the NAP but where do you draw the line with people being able to protect their personal space?

Reporters who ask questions a few feet away, really have the law on their side. Reporters who slander people and jam things in people's faces know exactly what they are doing to elicit a response that they can spin into "who me? I didn't do anything"

Kind of like a person who threatens a person "to kick their ass" and then say they didn't do anything after they get their ass beat down.

[creech]

I'm surprised more reporters aren't pushed or punched. Watch the local news almost any night and you see a mob of reporters harassing someone going into or out of court, or badgering some grieving family about "how do you feel about so and so being shot." I suppose a "fuck off" is a better response, but given a million media "I demand you talk to me" moments, some are going to end badly.
Still, this Gianforte guy is even more clueless than Gary Johnson on how a politician needs to respond to a reporter whose question he doesn't like or wish to answer at the moment.

[Kivlor]

Oh, Giaforte definitely reacted poorly. To some degree, I suppose politicians need to expect this behavior. But the guy isn't some life-long politician. He's some greenhorn from cowboy country. I live in cowboy country, and I guarantee that if you took any old coot out here, and did this to them, and after being repeatedly told to move on you refused, you would end up on the ground. No surprise.

[paranoid android]

I mean, "he's a redneck who can't be expected to behave civilly or restrain himself from unnecessary violence" is not exactly a stirring defense of the man.

[loveconstitution1789]

Because jamming things in people's faces who don't want things jammed in their face is acting civilly.

With modern electronic devices, you can capture impeccable sound and video at 5 feet or more. Gotcha reporting.

If I was a hack British reporter- and I wanted to elicit a newsworthy response from a country boy- to mess up his chances at winning a special election-that my lefty team wanted to win-I would jam something in his face too- even after being asked to speak with someone else about the issue-then jump up after not being body slammed and say "you body slammed me"- and you broke my glasses.

Happens all the time.

[paranoid android]

The only moral justification for doing violence to Jacobs in that situation would be if Gianforte felt his physical safety was threatened by Jacbos. There is no indication, even from Gianforte himself, that this was the case. A reporter being annoying and asking you questions you don't want to hear is not a threat that justifies a violent response. This isn't even a question.

[loveconstitution1789]

Be honest, there is one more reason. Jamming a device into someone's face, its threatening where I come from to jam things into people's faces.

I wonder why Jacobs didn't ask that question from a few feet away? Hhhmm... I wonder.

[DJK]

Dude sold his company to Oracle for >$1 billion. I would think he'd have some idea of what it's like to be in the limelight, negotiation, etc.

[loveconstitution1789]

When those reporters asked him questions they did not jam devices into his face.

Of course, they also did not have a special election to help win.

[DJK]

Just saying he's not exactly a country bumpkin.

[loveconstitution1789]

So, people who are not country bumpkins would have acted the same way as Ginaforte did? I seem to have news about certain city people stabbing and/or killing for less.

You are assuming that Jacobs was a respectful reporter who held his recording device at a distance that a person would not take as an invasion of their personal space.

Funny that Gianoforte has been interviewed before and never assaulted a reporter. Its almost as if Gianforte had zero trouble with reporters until the other guy referenced in the audio and Jacobs did something.

[Kivlor]

I'd argue he's much more civilized than someone who is so weak they can't have the backbone to get another person out of their personal space.

Most people, even in cities I'd bet, don't like having something shoved in their face by a person "demanding answers" from them. Don't do that, just ask your questions, and then if the guy hits you we could actually be discussing unnecessary violence.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

I'm guessing you did not listen to the audio.

[loveconstitution1789]

I did. Gianforte told the guy to speak with someone else about the issue.

Gianforte also exclaimed that he was "Sick and tired of you guys! The last guy who came in here you did the same thing! Get the hell out of here! The last guy did the same thing? You with the Guardian?"

This would imply that Gianforte was in an area where this Jacobs was not invited to be. What was Jacobs doing and the last guy doing that seemed to be Gianforte's last straw? I wonder if the media will answer that question. It must have been completely innocent because the media says so.

[Kivlor]

No, I listened to it. I'm guessing you can't read the actual witness descriptions of the event, to add to the context of the audio.

[loveconstitution1789]

In a lefties mind this incident is clear cut and exactly what they say it is. There is no time to waste because the special election in Montana is today!

Nevermind that the left and the media have been shown to be liars and willing to do what ever it takes to win elections.

The Sheriff cited Gianforte so there is clearly probable cause to believe assault took place but they also did not arrest him and the police love to arrest people.

[DJK]

The police love to arrest people, not politicians.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

So you know it takes about five seconds to go from "Let me talk to you about that later" to the altercation? And less than a second from "Talk to Shane about that" to grabbing Jacobs? But you still want to characterize it as "repeatedly told to move on"?

Jacobs does not sound aggressive. He responds to the first request by saying there won't be time later, and is not given any time to react to the second request. We don't know how he physically reacted or where the two actually were in relation to each other. We don't know if he was obstructing Gianforte.

Actual witness description says, "put a voice recorder 'to Gianforte's face.'" You decide this qualifies as "shoving" something in his face and invading his personal space. Perhaps he did, but it's a leap that you're making to fit your narrative.

[loveconstitution1789]

Right! We don't know how things actually went down. So why not wait to pass judgment?

Gianforte mentions the other reporter doing the same thing as Jacobs. Simply asking questions?

The media has a clear agenda to cause Gianforte to lose the Montana special election and Gianforte gave them what they could use. Gianforte will still win the election and the media will move onto some TDS stuff.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

Is that what Kivlor's been doing? Not passing judgment? Is your continued use of "jamming in his face" indicative of a humble skepticism?

We do know that Gianforte attacked Jacobs. If he wants to claim it was in self-defense, in reaction to Jacobs obstructing and threatening him, that is something Gianforte and his defenders have to affirmatively prove.

[loveconstitution1789]

This is not court and who needs to assert affirmative defenses is not how that works.

We don't know Gianforte "attacked" Jacobs. Which is to imply that Gianforte touched Jacobs in an unprovoked manner.

There is audio and witness statements that Jacobs put a recording device in Gianforte's face. Ginaforte told Jacob to speak with another guy. Then Gianforte grabbed Jacobs around the neck and they went to the ground. Gianforte hit Jacobs in the face while saying that he was sick of Jacobs and some other guy doing something. Gianforte was cited for assault.

[paranoid android]

There is audio and witness statements that Jacobs put a recording device in Gianforte's face. Ginaforte told Jacob to speak with another guy. Then Gianforte grabbed Jacobs around the neck and they went to the ground. Gianforte hit Jacobs in the face while saying that he was sick of Jacobs and some other guy doing something. Gianforte was cited for assault.

In other words...Gianforte attacked Jacobs.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

Above you insist that it be called a fight, and now you're saying we don't know if it was an "attack" while describing an attack.

And yes, if you want to make the argument that Jacobs was committing an aggressive act, as Kivlor came in here to do, you do have to provide evidence for that. Interpreting a vague description in the most hostile way possible is all either of you have done.

[loveconstitution1789]

Naw, I will just wait for Ginaforte to win the special election, an investigation of the incident and any resolution between the parties.

I know disgusting fascists like you will continue with your little agenda because the left winning is the most important thing.

[Kivlor]

MJ I'm not passing judgement. I'm describing what the witnesses have said, and offering how it would be treated in my jurisdiction. I've also stated that I don't know about Montana's laws, implying this needs to be handled by their law. The point isn't some guy randomly hitting another for asking questions, and when you only take into account the audio, you ignore completely body language which is the primary form of aggression in RL.

Instead, you're groping to validate a predetermined conclusion about this. As Ken already stated, this is what a jury is for. I'm in doubt that one will convict him if it goes to trial and if the testimony printed is correct. Which is extremely circumspect, as the witnesses started recanting today stating that they don't remember if Gianforte grabbed the guy by the neck or the shirt.

[loveconstitution1789]

Kivlor, they know exactly what that are saying to hype this up. MJ, etc are trying to dismiss you call and my call to wait for an investigation and all the information to come out.

This made #1 headlines for Google news today. I believe that to be because of the special election and how important it is for the left to win. The media cannot wait for this story to play out with an investigation and they certainly will certainly only mention this incident after Gianforte is elected to say it was a stolen Congressional seat.

[Unlabelable MJGreen]

offering how it would be treated in my jurisdiction.

Do you or do you not know what the body language was like, such that you can make this conclusion about how it will be dealt? You can't have it both ways.

You took one witness's neutral description and interpreted it to make Jacobs sound like a nuisance and a reasonable threat to Gianforte. You take an interaction of 12 seconds as "insistently invading" his space. Repeating myself: Actual witness description says, "put a voice recorder 'to Gianforte's face.'" You decide this qualifies as "shoving" something in his face and invading his personal space. Perhaps he did, but it's a leap that you're making to fit your narrative.

[Kivlor]

MJ, you obviously misunderstand me.

I never said Jacobs' behavior was a threat to Gianforte. I stated that it sounded, as described by a witness (who is not an unbiased source) that a reasonable person would react this way to it. I reject that you have to pose an imminent threat to me for me to react to you. That's just retarded. A person may be acting aggressively and not be a "threat" and still get punched for it reasonably.

How Jacobs' voice sounds is irrelevant. What his actions were is relevant. As to "putting" vs "shoving" an object in someone's face, there's no substantive difference. Putting something up to someone's face without their inviting it is definitely invading personal space to most people. Why don't you try this with a bunch of people and see how they react: I guarantee they won't thank you.

[loveconstitution1789]

Kivlor, this is intentional on MJ's part.

Don't worry. Since Gianforte won the election you will never hear about the details of the assault investigation or anything about this story again. The left will move on to some other gimmick to win elections.

MJ does not care about body language, witnesses, custom for dealing with people putting something in your face, the law, what actually happened, or the police investigation. It was all designed to elicit an emotional response from voters for the left win. The left does not care now.

Except maybe to say the alleged assault was Trump's fault. Hey, look at that there is literally a story this morning saying that exact thing.

[ThomasD]

Based on the available information it does not appear Gianforte had justification for laying hands on the guy.

But, absent the 'body slam', if he had simply stiff armed the guy out of his personal space, would this have resulted in charges? Or even made the news?

I think not.

The real question is: Will all the people relishing this turn of events accept that they have been played if, shortly after losing the election all charges are dropped?

[loveconstitution1789]

Battery is battery. A stiff arm or not a body slam is still battery upon a person.

That is what is so funny here. We have audio and less than the whole story of who did what. But hey form your opinions now.

We are told that we cannot do this when we are dealing with people with the last names Clinton, Kennedy, Obama but go get this Gianforte guy!

[Ken Shultz]

"A British official says police in Manchester will stop sharing information about their bombing investigation with the U.S. until they get a guarantee that there will be no more leaks to the news media."

In all seriousness, from the forged Nigerial yellowcake documents that precipitated the Iraq War to the Trump piss-gate dossier, America might be better off if the British intelligence services stopped sharing information with the United States.

It always seems to end in tears.

[loveconstitution1789]

Probably not better off with Mi__ . Dollars to doughnuts, Ben Jacobs works with British intelligence. Our media is down with government doing bad things, why would British media be much different.

[MarkLastname]

Ben Jacobs works with British Intelligence?

Move over, Mikey, you've got some competition!

[B.P.]

From the Washington Post article on the Manchester bombing:

"Prime Minister Theresa May is expected to raise the issue of the leaks with President Donald Trump in Brussels later. British officials are particularly angry that photos detailing evidence about the bomb used in the attack were published in the New York Times."

Also...

"British Prime Minister Theresa May says that she will make it clear to President Donald Trump that intelligence shared between law enforcement agencies "must remain secure.""

Does Theresa May somehow think that Donald Trump is a fan of information leaking within U.S. agencies, or that he is in league with those doing the leaking? I understand that he's the chief executive and that's who you go to with complaints, but maybe she should pick up a newspaper some time to find out about developments associated with leaks in the Trump Administration.

[Citizen X - #6]

"British Prime Minister Theresa May says that she will make it clear to President Donald Trump that intelligence shared between law enforcement agencies "must remain secure.""

She doesn't need to worry on that account - Trump's obviously got people filtering his tweets before they go live.

[mad.casual]

Does Theresa May somehow think that Donald Trump is a fan of information leaking within U.S. agencies, or that he is in league with those doing the leaking?

This was my kneejerk when I heard the fact that the news was leaking information. My understanding was that the NYT is/did publish photos of parts of the bomb itself. I can't fathom how this anything except make the NYT look like complete and utter shitheads. Might as well have run the corpses on the cover.

[Brandybuck]

So the San Francisco news station I woke up to this morning accused Trump himself of leaking the Manchester intelligence documents to the press. But something about this story stinks. Trump may be the kind of person to tweet crap loudly to the public, but he's not the guy to hand over juicy crime photos behind the scenes. My money is either some low level dude in the FBI angry at the Comey ousting, or Sean Spicer angry at not getting to shake hands with the Pope.

I means seriously, Trump is gallivanting around Europe, he just doesn't have the opportunity for secret deep throat meetings in dank D.C. parking structures.

[B.P.]

Actual passage from the Washington Post Giaforte article:

"The Congressional Budget Office estimates released Wednesday on the impact of the Republican health care proposal were not helpful to Republicans supporting the measure (23 million more Americans would be left uninsured by 2026, the CBO projected.) But while CBO numbers are often the source of much political heat and wonky debate, there's no history of violence associated with them."

[TrickyVic (old school)]

I picked this up from an article on Yahoo.

"One British official told The Associated Press that police in Manchester have stopped sharing information about their bombing investigation with the U.S. until they get a guarantee that there will be no more leaks to the media. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly."

Leakers hating leakers?

[loveconstitution1789]

Here we go, the FOX newsperson Alicia Acuna who was in the room with Gianforte changed her story that Gianforte grabbed Jacobs around the neck.
FOX reporter video
The event was evidently a volunteer BBQ in Missoula and FOX was interviewing Gianforte in a room off the BBQ. Acuna demonstrated that Jacobs put the mic about 6 inches from Gianforte's face. Gianforte's campaign released a statement that involve some ninja moves.

I find it funny that the media is saying that 3 local newspapers have removed their endorsements of Gianforte because of the incident. Who cares if the media endorses someone. Its almost like a badge of honor to not receive endorsements from the media.

[Kivlor]

Ingraham: One of you guys said last night that he put his hands around his neck.

Acuna: You know, and I'm the one who said that, I saw both his hands go up, not around his neck in a strangling type of way, but more just on each side of his neck, just grabbed him and I guess it could've been on his clothes, I don't know."

Ingraham asked Acuna if that meant she was changing her story.

Acuna: "Again, just to clarify, he didn't grab him by the neck with both hands in the way that was initially described, that's not quite accurate"

Yeah... not turning out to be that reliable, unbiased witness that MJ is describing, are we?