Free Housing for Hot Girls? That's Slavery!, Say Progressives

Activists are calling for Craigslist ads offering housing in exchange for domestic labor or sexual companionship to be banned.

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The first time I saw a Craigslist ad offering free housing to hot girls was 2004 or 2005 in Columbus, Ohio, and I've since seen them in a host of other cities since. How successful such enticements are is unclear, but there's no mistaking the arrangements they offer. Yet despite the fact that such ads have been around for more than a decade and tend to transparently describe the (consensual) relationships they're after, a gaggle of outraged internet activists are suddenly convinced it's "abusive" behavior that must be stamped out.

The issue has been getting attention this week because of U.K. columnist Vonny Moyes, who covered it in Scottish newspaper The National Monday as well as in a series of weekend tweets.

The ads she shared ranged from requests for household labor from a hot girl in exchange for free rent to fetish-related requests (one man merely wanted someone to indulge his foot fetish in exchange for housing), ongoing mistress or "sugar baby" type situations (in which a free room or one's own flat was offered in exchange for sexual and romantic companionship), and people looking for short-term sex-for-housing arrangements. Sure, some of the ad posters may be willing to exploit economically-vulnerable women in order to get laid, but they're direct about what they're looking for and open about their expectations. And the majority of the men posting these ads seem to be seeking much more than someone down on their luck; they want women who would actually enjoy the situation, too.

But the Twitter outrage brigade can't conceive of these varied individual ads as anything but a big patriarchal plot to extort sex from homeless women. There's no acknowledgment that maybe someone could have a home somewhere and be looking for a home elsewhere and then actively choose this situation. No nod to the fact that these ads may not even attract any takers. And, of course, a whole lot of looking for how we can immediately and entirely quash such online speech. Here's a sample:

Also conspicuously missing? Any hint that women have agency.

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  1. Writing about sex for rent today. I haven’t cried whilst writing for a while. There’s something very wrong when people think nothing of this

    When is the last time YOU cried whilst writing, ENB? HMMMMMM?

  2. these types of adds pre date Craigslist by years, often seen in local small published news papers or bulletin boards

    1. The concept is even older than the use of adds. It’s called marriage.

      1. Or a mistress, if you can afford one.

        1. Right? What’s the fucking difference whether you make such a proposition online or in person? Man, the thought police must REALLY hate not being omnipotent.

        2. A “mistress” is when you can afford two or more.

    2. “…these types of adds pre date Craigslist by years,..”
      See Berkeley Barb 1967.
      “PROFESSIONAL man 45 with non-swinging mate, seeks discrete woman in similar position for mature activities. Write Apt. 18, 2240 McArthur Blvd. Oakland”
      http://voices.revealdigital.co…..——–1#

    3. See Berkeley Barb 1967.
      “PROFESSIONAL man 45 with non-swinging mate, seeks discrete woman in similar position for mature activities. Write Apt. 18, 2240 McArthur Blvd. Oakland”
      http://voices.revealdigital.co…..——–1#

  3. So do these people believe that everybody lacks agency, or just women?

    1. It would be interesting to see what would happen if similar ads started popping up looking for hot guys.

      1. Notice that there’s no indication of these ads ever actually succeeding. Chances are, we’re talking about a bunch of lonely dudes who just would like to see a titty in their trashy apartment.

        1. No. I’ve known women who would do this, and proudly tell you so. I’m certain, but have no proof, that this has definitely worked.

          1. [Erscheinung compulsively refreshes his inbox, waiting for a reply to his Craigslist ad. “One day,” he whispers. “One day.”]

        2. You’ve obviously never seen Mike’s Apartment.

          1. Oh, i’ve seen it. I just don’t know how far i buy the premise as nonfiction.

            1. Are you implying it’s fake? How dare you!!!

              1. Fake Taxi is clearly fake, it’s right there in the name. If Mike’s Apartment was fake, it would be in the name.

                1. $park? refuses to watch any pornography in which the cable guy does not, in fact, repair the cable. “Is a little honesty too much to expect?” he asks plaintively.

                  1. Sparky prefers that the repairs happen after coitus:

                    Sparky zips up, throws wad of tissues in trashcan, picks up remote.
                    “And now, let’s see how he tackles that bad reception.”

                    1. Tissues? Remote? What are we, back in the ’90s?

                    2. Please, do enlighten us on the particulars of your masturbation ritual.

                  2. That’s why I only watch poorly filmed horny housewife porn.

                    1. When an amateur “starlet” is recognizable because she’s wearing the same pair of shoes in two consecutive porn shoots, that’s called the Minnesota Timeline.

                  3. +1 Taiwan electrician/plumber. +1 blind girl. It was a famous video here.

        3. A friend of my sister who was in her early 20s, married a guy in his late 70s, with the explicit understanding that he would bear children, keep his bed warm, and take care of him when he started to fail, in return for financial security and an inheritance. What is the difference between that situation and this one, other than a legal contract?

          1. Another example – Strom Thurmond.

          2. +1 Anna Nicole Smith.

      2. Stories like this one might become more common?

      3. There would be outcries that the hot guys were trying to sexually exploit lonely women, or complaints that the hot guys were sexist.

      4. Who wants to see sweaty hairy balls swinging around when they’re vacuuming or cleaning the bathroom?

        1. Who wants to see sweaty hairy balls swinging around when they’re vacuuming or cleaning the bathroom?

          Jesse?

          /runs away

        2. Freddy Mercury?

      5. Hoot! Can you imagine an able-bodied woman *needing* to advertise for men?

    2. So do these people believe that everybody lacks agency, or just women?

      The selective agency is the most hilarious part of the situation, IMO.

      Men aren’t entirely depraved enough animals to go roam about freely raping women on sight. They’ve been domesticated and civilized enough to understand a ‘pay for play’ and/or reciprocity (aka relationships) and take out exceedingly polite, but still disgusting and morally reprehensible, (Craigslist) ads and even. The only way to encourage them to be more civil about any/all reproductive inclinations is to take away their ability to communicate freely and clearly. Treating people like animals and having them revert to animal behaviors never occurs.

      1. The deal he’s offering in the ad though, is a crappy deal. She gets to do ALL the housework AND naked, and for this she gets her own room? A live in maid gets that PLUS a salary AND if she gets naked, it’s extra. Whoever took this deal doesn’t know how to negotiate.

  4. Yet despite the fact that such ads have been around for more than a decade and tend to transparently describe the (consensual) relationships they’re after, a gaggle of outraged internet activists are suddenly convinced it’s “abusive” behavior that must be stamped out.

    Surely you’re not suggesting that hot girls actually have the moral agency to be capable of consenting to sex in exchange for free room and board, are you? Everyone knows women of all ages are incapable of making their own choices, especially when it comes to sex. That’s why they need the caring and divine State to make their choices for them. /modern-day “feminists” /only partly joking

    1. Clearly they need to be kept in locked rooms until they develop that agency. How they are going to develop the agency if they are so fragile that they need to be protected from any exposure to the real world is the real question. I guess the rest of the world will be forced to change so that they never have to develop any sense of agency. That sounds like such a really good idea….

  5. Wow, Twitter really appeals to a certain class of “insane and willing to broadcast it”

    1. If I ran my own business, I think the first thing I would do when considering hiring someone is look at their Shitter and/or Derpbook feeds to see how crazy and/ or stupid they are.

      1. Lots, as I’ve heard, of companies are actually doing this now.

        1. Nice to see you’re on the cutting edge of things.

          1. Zing!

      2. “Shitter and/or Derpbook”

        Mike M. making an appearance.

        1. Mike M’s idiotic nicknames are far worse. I’m an amateur compared to him.

          Oh, and fuck off, Tulpa.

      3. I wonder what employers think of people who have no social media presence under their own name?

        1. That’s increasingly being treated as proof that you’re hiding something.

          1. I am hiding more than just something.

            1. You think your tucked-in penis deserves personhood status?

              1. Psh. He doesn’t hide THAT.

          2. Well, yes. I’m hiding my private life from people I don’t want to know about it.

          3. I say it loud, I’ve created brands and I’m proud.

        2. Employers think they might actually get some work out of them after lunch?

  6. There’s something very wrong when people think nothing of this

    Are we supposed to be scouring craigslist for problematic listings?

    1. Depends on whether you’re woke or just a shitlord.

      1. I like to think of myself as a woke shitlord.

        1. If that’s not already taken that is a pretty decent screen name.

  7. There’s no acknowledgment that maybe someone could have a home somewhere and be looking for a home elsewhere and then actively choose this situation.

    So you’re saying wealthy white women could be taking low-to-no rent apartment opportunities away from homeless POC women? And you think that makes this situation better?

    We Need To Talk About Hot Girl Gentrification

    1. You have a point. Why is it that the face of feminism, it’s vanguard, is nearly all affluent white liberals? Take a poll of feminists authors and you won’t a lot of color.

  8. RE: Free Housing for Hot Girls? That’s Slavery!, Say Progressives
    Activists are calling for Craigslist ads offering housing in exchange for domestic labor or sexual companionship to be banned.

    The progressives are right.
    Only The State has the right to fuck the people!

    1. It’s not exactly free when you have to do all the housework. Plus naked on top of it? The employer would be getting a good deal if he got a 50 year old fat crabby woman to do all the housework and not get paid besides room and board.

  9. Sounds like someone’s calling for a burqa mandate.

    1. Unless that is your fetish.

  10. It’s not a perfect comparison, but I wonder how a demand for a ban on babysitters would do.

    I mean, how can an self respecting parent let a stranger watch their kid?

    I’m sure there are better comparisons, but someone objecting to a given behavior is nearly a certainty.

    1. I wonder how a demand for a ban on babysitters would do.

      A babysitter should have to completed a four month long government mandated class on babysitting; it’s the only way to be safe.

      1. If it just saved one child …

      2. In NYC, they are going to have to have a degree to be a baby sitter.

    2. I mean, how can an self respecting parent let a stranger watch their kid?

      But then you would effectively be demanding that people watch their own kids all the time. Which in some cases could fall on the mother disproportionately. And that’s problematic, doncha know?

  11. This was part of the plot of the Broad City pilot, where Abby and Ilana tried to get money for the Lil Wayne concert. But then, that show is popular with choice-positive feminists. Also, the first season was incredible and funnier than any show of the last five years.

    1. That’s a show that’s definitely hit or miss. I’ve seen about 8 or so episodes and a few of them were pretty damned funny. Others were just trying a bit too hard.

  12. No hetero sex please, we’re Progressives.

  13. I’m going to start calling these complainers the Anti-Progressives, because that’s what they are. From prostititon to the employer-employee relationship, their whole goal seems to be to eliminate any and all consensual activities from our lives and just have governments control regulate every aspect of it. That doesn’t seem very progressive or enlightened to me. The Anti-Progressives are, in fact, pro-slavery, even as they argue that consensual activities are literal slavery. Or they may just be mentally challenged…

    1. But Free the Nipple!!!

      1. Is that the PETA campaign to ban dairy farms?

    2. There’s progress and then there’s Progressivism. Don’t get the two concepts confused.

      1. I can understand how people might extrapolate things incorrectly though. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen the two in the same room together.

        1. I would argue that Progressivism, while valuing actual progress in various technological and social arenas, rejects key tenets of liberal (read: Enlightenment) thought regarding the desirability or even the possibility of human freedom. The Progressive view of human nature is that of preliberal leviathan statist Hobbes – the natural order of a human society, without a strong ruler to force people to improve themselves and be good to each other, is just a constant “war of all against all.”

          1. “Leviathan in Levi’s” was my nickname in college.

          2. Progressivism is basically socialism renamed to be more acceptable. Who is against progress, ammirite?

            Late 19th century and early 20th Century people spent this period taking the name liberalism and changing it from the Founder’s classic liberalism. Progressivism was the movement to solve societies issues with bigger and bigger government.

            1. I would say it is more like feudalism, with a strong benevolent leader, a cadre of smart aristocrats to make sure everything works correctly, guilds of skilled artisans, and a bulk population of serfs who have to be told exactly what to do by the “smart people”, and protected from evil.

    3. Or they may just be mentally challenged…

      Occam’s Razor would seem to suggest this to be the most likely explanation.

  14. I can see how someone might claim that such arrangements could be a form of exploitation. But it doesn’t justify banning the ads.

    1. I can see how someone might claim that such arrangements could be a form of exploitation.

      The ads are explicitly exploitative. The question is whether the exploitation relative to any/all compensation is undue or unjust. Which isn’t really in the purview of your average Twitterer, the ads for such being even less so.

      1. Is marriage explicitly exploitive?

    2. Aren’t all employment relationships exploitative? Ideally it’s mutual exploitation by both parties.

      1. You know what else is ex-ploitation? Alimony.

  15. The truth of the matter is that hot women with a tiny bit of brains can write their own ticket. Hotness is indeed a commodity. At the very least hot women are using their hotness as a means to get a foot in the door. It may not be fair, but it is the reality. We (of all genders) want our lawns to be attractive, our homes to be attractive, our clothes to be attractive, etc. Why is it then offensive that we should want ourselves to be attractive?

    Hot women who lack standards are already getting free room and board. The outrage seems to come from women with standards. But they’re assuming that women with standards will be taking these offers. I highly doubt it. I also highly doubt that the women who take these offers feel economic pressure to do so. If this is actually happening, I don’t blame the patriarchy, I blame feminism’s war on morals. That’s where the lack of standards comes from.

    p.s. I find these kinds of ads offensive. I will not associate with the kinds of males who would post them. But I will not stoop to the level of banning them. That’s even more offensive.

    1. I find these kinds of ads offensive. I will not associate with the kinds of males who would post them. But I will not stoop to the level of banning them. That’s even more offensive.

      That is exactly how a patriarchal shitlord would mansplain it, shitlord.

      1. +1 30.06

    2. We want our lawns to be attractive

      And if it’s not, don’t bother responding to my ad.

    3. Hot women who lack standards

      Lack “standards”? Fuck you and your patronizing morals.

  16. Also conspicuously missing? Any hint that women have agency.

    Women are feeble creatures who need protection from the patriarchy, just like how women need a statue of a little girl to empower them, because without that statue their fragile, little brains cannot figure out how to be confident and strong. And if you are wondering if all women are the same, and the answer is yes.

    1. They are all crazy. Every one of them. Each in her own unique, individual way.

  17. I like that she’s effectively “sex-shaming” the people posting these ads despite the fact that she got EXTREMELY indignant about people apparently trying to “sex-shame” after someone recognized her from her days posting nudes on http://reddit.com/r/gonewild and shared her nudes associated with her real name.

  18. Helicopter idea starting to interest me more.

  19. Welcome to 2017, where it’s liberals who believe that premarital cohabitation is a sin.

  20. People on twitter are OUTRAGED!

  21. Why parents need to take heed of garbage and add this data to the facts of life speeches for children. not only explain the birds and the bees but how to spot and avoid pervs. Teach the younguns that dignity is the quality of being worthy of honor or respect and some people are just disgusting pigs who will take advantage and will give nothing in return except to destroy dignity.

  22. Seems like any young woman who entered into a situation like that would have plenty of negotiating power, herself. I doubt legions of desperate hot girls will be lining up to take her place.

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