Donald Trump

Stop Belittling the Holocaust With Your Stupid Nazi Analogies

Not everything is 1933 redux.

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When the Associated Press dropped a breathless piece contending that the Trump administration was "considering" and "weighing" using 100,000 National Guard troops to help round up illegal immigrants, the media erupted into its usual hysterics. Soon, the White House denied it had ever considered the memo (and so far, there is no reason to believe it is lying). We soon learned the memo itself doesn't say anything about 100,000 National Guardsmen rounding up illegal immigrants. We can theorize about who leaked the story, but it looks to be the epitome of President Donald Trump's Yogi Berraisms about a real story being fake news.

As always, none of this stopped the shameful Hitler and Nazi analogies from immediately clogging up social media. Comparing everything to 1932 is now a big part of our national discourse, Not only by angry partisans but also people who should know better than to habitually make these correlations.

This isn't Mel Brooks' Springtime for Hitler. Whether you're a fan or a detractor of Trump, these gross equivalences belittle the memory of millions who died in unimaginably horrifying ways. Moreover, exaggeration and historical illiteracy undermines the very cause these people claim to care about, unless that cause is desensitizing people to the terror of the Holocaust.

Jamil Smith, a senior national correspondent for MTV News, was just one of the high-profile journalists to use this intellectually lazy analogy. "First, they came for the undocumented," he tweeted. (In his next tweet about the memo draft, he contends, "Whether or not it's true doesn't matter," which is emblematic of much punditry today.) He is, of course, referring to Martin Niemöller's famous poem, which reads:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out / Because I was not a Socialist. / Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out / Because I was not a Trade Unionist. / Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out / Because I was not a Jew. / Then they came for me / and there was no one left to speak for me."

People love to use this poem as a cudgel against anyone who fails to match their own hyperbole on political issues, appropriating the suffering of others for their causes. Implied, of course, is that those who do not share their outrage are ignoring an event that is in some ways akin to the Holocaust. It's a convenient formulation because, after all, you'd be hard-pressed to disprove events that haven't yet transpired. And if, for some reason, Trump's term doesn't actually turn into a Hitlerian nightmare of the left's imagination, then they'll tell you it was because they took Niemöller's warning to heart and stopped the impending evil.

So it's a win-win.

First of all, even if the authorities—even the National Guard (which I think would be an incredibly horrible idea)—were to start deporting illegal immigrants, not one of those unfortunate people would ever be sent to anything resembling the ovens of Treblinka and Auschwitz. Not their children. Not anyone else in this country. Most often, in fact, deported illegal immigrants, who have broken the law, are going back to their home in Mexico, where they can often apply for legal entry into the United States.

Every year, more than a million people become American citizens. So we are hardly in the early staging plans of "total measures." In fact, we function under immigration laws that were written by representatives of the electorate, and the constitutionality of those laws is weighed by a judicial system.

If your argument is that all deportations are, in and of themselves, the actions of a proto-Nazi regime, then I would ask, why aren't you comparing President Barack Obama, who deported 2.4 million people from 2009 to 2014, to Himmler? Or I would say to stop commandeering the horrors of history for short-term political gain and come up with a better analogy.

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  1. “your argument is that all deportations are, in and of themselves, the actions of a proto-Nazi regime, then I would ask, why aren’t you comparing President Barack Obama…”

    OBAAAAAAAAAAMA doesn’t work as well as BOOOOOOSCH to me.

    1. either too many, or not enough, syllables for a successful exclamation.

    2. I suspect many guys prefer bush to Obama.

    3. “why aren’t you comparing President Barack Obama…”

      Obama learned an important lesson from Hitler: keep quiet about your most despicable acts. Trump has yet to learn this valuable lesson in statecraft.

      1. This is because President Trump is bring to light all the despicable acts of Obama so we know. Now as President, he has to fix them and that is skillfully managing State Affairs.

  2. Reason these days makes me feel ancient. I remember when this website was anti-big government and would never give a platform to the authoritarian conservatives at The Federalist; let alone post an article endorsing 100,000 National Guardsman being illegally called up by a fascist President to go kick in doors and look for brown people to round up.

    1. let alone post an article endorsing 100,000 National Guardsman being illegally called up by a fascist President to go kick in doors and look for brown people to round up

      Can you point the part of the article that did this? Or are you being sarcastic?

    2. “First of all, even if the authorities?even the National Guard (which I think would be an incredibly horrible idea)?were to start deporting illegal immigrants, not one of those unfortunate people would ever be sent to anything resembling the ovens of Treblinka an”

      Note how he thought a terrible idea

      1. I, for one, like the new amsoc.

    3. 7/10 trolling attempt. Your heart was in the right place, but it’s much more fun to troll with what the article actually said. Try something more like:

      “What, you think the National Guard are so incompetent they can’t round up 100,000 people to deport? What do you think we’re spending all the money on, then?”

      1. Hm. Rating Reason troll posts is fun. I should make this my schtick here.

        1. 5/10
          *Russian judge*

          1. Is he finished?
            *East German judge*

          2. 3/10 from French bribed French judge.

    4. I remember when we weren’t so meekly pliable to bullshit media narratives.

    5. Reading comprehension – HOW DOES IT FUCKEN WORK?

    6. Of course a leftist shitbag like you hates one of the only actual libertarians who still writes here.

    7. Why do you keep repeating fake news?

      And if deporting illegal aliens is “fascist”, then pretty much every country on the surface of the planet is “fascist”.

    8. Stop spreading lies, you buffoon. Stick your head back up Obama’s azz.

  3. Fake but accurate.

    1. Thank you Mr. Rather.

  4. Godwinning

    I do find it ironic when media folks complain about others fear mongering and whipping up hysteria when that is what drives their business model

    1. It’s not ironic. It’s hypocritical.

      1. But I find the ironicalness to BE hypocritical!!!

        1. Adolf Hitler breathed oxygen, and YOU (you NAZI BASTARD!!!) breath oxygen, too!!!

          You are JUST like Adolf Hitler, then, so I win the argument, and everyone should listen to me and do what I say! Heil MEEEE!!!!

      2. Don’t say that he’s hypocritical, say rather that he’s apolitical.

  5. I am absolutely tired of the Nazi comparisons, myself. I like to point out to regressives that the only American President that has rounded up and interned people based on race/national origin is the Regressive Hero, FDR. This is usually dismissed. Principals, not principles.

    1. Fdr was also the closest to economic facism

      1. closest to economic facism

        That too. But precious snowflakes don’t actually know what fascism is. It is just another term that they use as an ad hominem against people they don’t like. It will soon lose all meaning.

      2. “economic facism”

        Did you mean “economic PATRIOTISM”?

        /Joe Biden

      3. Well, he was a socialist. Close enough.

    2. The closest parallel to what Trump’s critics claim Trump wants to do is the wave of highly questionable deportations that Mitchel Palmer undertook under (wait for it) Progressive icon Woodrow Wilson. Maybe the “Nazi!” hysteria is an attempt to distract people from THAT comparison. It wouldn’t do to have the Unwashed look too closely at Wilson; he’s strongly identified with the Progressive cause and he was a flaming bigot, a eugenics fan, and an arrogant twit overall.

      1. “Progressive icon Woodrow Wilson.”

        Progressive icon AND virulent racist.

        1. I approve this message, both separately and equally.

        2. But you tepeat yourself….

          1. “repeat”

            *sigh*

      2. “The closest parallel to what Trump’s critics claim Trump wants to do is the wave of highly questionable deportations that Mitchel Palmer undertook ”

        Nonsense. The closest parallel with Trump is Obama. Obama deported over 3 million, if memory serves, and not because they were red and a threat to American Values, but merely because they were Mexican and lacked the right papers. You may not like Wilson, but don’t let that cloud your judgement on Obama.

    3. It’s not just that. I’m starting to be convinced few, if any, of these people actually spent the necessary time reading not just Nazi Germany, but Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, and beyond it from the military campaigns, the inter-war years from Weimar to Mussolini’s Avanti!, the period leading up to The Great War including the literature and philosophies, and of course, how the Nazis rounded Jews up. Etc., etc.

      It’s illogical and irrational to remotely make any kind of comparison. It’s anti-intellectual and downright retarded.

      So yes, I think if you go this route, you’re a dangerous, pant-shitting nut job ignoramus.

      1. Just to keep all the facts out there, only half of the concentration camp/work(slave) camp members were Jews. There were lots of other “undesirables and defectives” done in as well. The Jews were just the biggest group.

        1. Thanks bub – you’re lecturing a well-read crowd here. In your facts, you forgot gays and Roma/gypsies.

          1. All included in the “undesirables and defectives”. I did expect this well read crowd to already know that, or at least be able to find the search box.
            Also artists, actors, communists, unionists, the disabled, political opponents, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Catholic clergy, mentally ill, etc etc.
            For those without Google:
            The first camp in Germany, Dachau, was founded in March 1933.[10] The press announcement said that “the first concentration camp is to be opened in Dachau with an accommodation for 5,000 people. All Communists and ? where necessary ? Reichsbanner and Social Democratic functionaries who endanger state security are to be concentrated there, as in the long run it is not possible to keep individual functionaries in the state prisons without overburdening these prisons.”

            1. I really hate smart alec dickheads. Make your point without the snark.

          2. And cripples and the retarded, which would include 47% of Americans.

        2. But were they deplorables?

          1. I think this would be the point where comparisons would and should be made to Hitler in the early 1930’s. Isn’t that about when Hitler announced who the “deplorables” were? (Oh yeah, he won the popular vote too.)

      2. Of course they are historically illiterate. They’re all graduate of higher ed with BA degrees.

    4. At the time FDR “rounded up and interned people based on race/national origin”, another group, draft age males, was rounded up, run through basic training, and sent off to die. Other than the geography, what is the difference between those two groups? Both were “asked” (as in told) to sacrifice for the country.

      1. The argument would be, I suppose, that the draft served a necessary purpose and the internment of Japanese Americans didn’t. But in terms of individuals rights, there isn’t a lot of difference. And both look to me like violations of the 13th amendment. Draft is terrible. If you can’t get enough people to voluntarily defend the country, maybe it’s not worth defending (or the war doesn’t need fighting).

      2. +150% casualties

    5. Really?! For some reason Andrew Jackson and the Cherokee Nation comes to mind. A reservation may not exactly equate to internment, but I think that is splitting hairs.

      1. Yeah, probably have to limit it to after all the Indians were subdued by the US. I have a hard time thinking of anything worse than the removal of the Cherokee than the US government has done.

        1. Unrestricted warfare against civilians and civilian infrastructure comes to mind. From the same source as it turns out.

          Sherman’s advance through Georgia and South Carolina was characterized by widespread destruction of civilian supplies and infrastructure. Although looting was officially forbidden, historians disagree on how well this regulation was enforced.[97] Union soldiers who foraged from Southern homes became known as bummers. The speed and efficiency of the destruction by Sherman’s army was remarkable. The practice of heating rails and bending them around trees, leaving behind what came to be known as “Sherman’s neckties,” made repairs difficult. Accusations that civilians were targeted and war crimes were committed on the march have made Sherman a controversial figure to this day, particularly in the American South.

          Much of Sherman’s time as Commanding General was devoted to making the Western and Plains states safe for settlement through the continuation of the Indian Wars, which three significant campaigns during this time being the Modoc War, the Great Sioux War of 1876 and the Nez Perce War. The displacement of Indians was facilitated by the growth of the railroad and the eradication of the buffalo. Sherman believed that the intentional eradication of the buffalo should be encouraged as a means of weakening Indian resistance to assimilation.

          1. Yeah, that’s right up there.

    6. the only American President that has rounded up and interned people based on race/national origin is the Regressive Hero, FDR

      Uh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

  6. Nazis were socialists. Jeesh.

    1. Socialism in one country. +1 or -1 Trotsky or Stalin

    2. But the google definition of fascism says “right wing” duh!

    3. I always make the comparison of Fascism : National Socialism :: Communism : International Socialism. You’re taking the same economic theories, just directing them by different policies.

      (oddly enough, the breakdown of Yokeltarians versus Cosmotarians actually fall under the same sort of rubric)

  7. Hmmm. So what the president calls a “military operation” to deport several million hard-working, law-abiding people, that’s okay. But for the media to report on a draft memo that would involve the National Guard in this “military operation”, well, that’s wrong, even if it was a real memo, because the White House said so. Because the White House never lies. Ah, David, so young, and so innocent!

    Reason howled, rightly, over President Obama’s “if you like your health insurance you can keep it” whopper, but Trump comes up with a new one every day, so he gets a bye. I guess you could call it prevarication fatigue.

    1. It wasnt even being considered so saying it was is false. Didnt even make it to the secretary’s desk

      They are going after law abiding folks either. The priority is a little more strict than obama did

      1. Word on the right is that the memo was a real but fake, part of a canary trap being run by Bannon to find leakers.

        Trump kind of confirmed that at his press conference when he said the leaks are real but the news is fake.

        1. Steve Bannon just really wants to be Tyrion Lannister.

    2. Do you really think that Trump meant it was literally a military operation, or do you reckon it was Trump-speak for “military precision and efficiency”?

    3. Ah, Alan Vanneman, so condescending to his intellectual superiors…

    4. Hmmm. So what the president calls a “military[-style] operation” to deport several million hard-working, law-abiding people, that’s okay

      If they are in the country illegally, they aren’t “law abiding”. Deportations of people who have violated our borders are okay.

    5. So what the president calls a “military operation” to deport several million hard-working, law-abiding people, that’s okay.

      some pundit suggested a difference between taking Trump literally and taking him seriously. Maybe that pundit was talking to you.

    6. 01 Reason criticizes Right
      02 Yokels complain about bias
      03 Reason criticizes Left
      04 Cosmos complain about bias
      05 GOTO 01

  8. And all along I thought “Whether or not it’s true doesn’t matter,” was MTV News’ mission statement.

  9. Nazi is a transliteration of NSDAP, the acronym (in German) of the National Socialist German Workers Party.
    Although fascism is generally viewed a right wing, the economic principle of private ownership of the means of production, combined with Government direction of that production, and with nationalization of some industries, is more in line with the practices of the left. For instance, I would consider the ACA as totally Fascist. I would consider the appearance of uniformed thugs to use violence at a political protest as Fascist. (the uniform being all black, and masked)
    So it is possible that while the Holocaust might be a faintly relevant reference, it would be applied to the left, not the right; and only in the general sense of all that took place in Germany just before and during the last numbered war.

    1. The left do seem to be the ones using brownshirt tactics at the moment. Or at least the ones using such tactics are of the left.

      But I think Nazis and Fascists (the real ones from history) are fairly described, as the terms are used in America today, as a mix of right and left. And it’s not as if the contemporary American right is not entirely un-scoialistic.

      The Holocaust is only relevant in the fevered imaginations of the losing-their-shit left.

      1. God save the Queen, her mechanic regime.

      2. Irony: Jewish Dane reporter tries to interview antifascists in Copenhagen, who threaten his safety and chase him from the scene throwing glass bottles and calling him a nazi.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osqx2MyfdnQ

    2. “Although fascism is generally viewed a right wing, the economic principle of private ownership of the means of production, combined with Government direction of that production, and with nationalization of some industries, is more in line with the practices of the left.”

      Fascism, with its soft spot for private owernship and private industry, is much closer to the bourgeois democracies such as Britain or the USA, than it is with the socialist countries. In Stalinist USSR, Joking about business or even being related to business owners could get you a one way ticket to Gulagville. In Britain, USA or Nazi Germany, business owners were some of their nations most influencial and respected citizens.

  10. If they continue at this rate, it’ll became clich? if it wasn’t already. Takimag did an article titled “Here a Nazi, there a Nazi…”. http://takimag.com/article/her…..z4ZbpJvDVJ

  11. Progressive junkie: NAZI! TRUMP IS A FASCIST!
    Reasonable Rufus: Wait, which is it? Nazi or fascist?
    Prog (slightly destabilized. Stays the course): SMASH THE PATRIARCHY!
    Rufus: Hang on. You have to settle your premise!
    Prog: HELL NO MISOGYNIST RAPIST!
    Rufus: You’re jumping all over the place!
    Prog: Are you some kind of Nazi?
    Rufus: Great. Let’s go with that. What’s your feeling on the burning of the Reichstag or Kristallnacht?
    Prog: What the hell are you talking about, weirdo? FASCIST OVER HERE!!!!

    1. Ah, the Ayn Rand school. “I’m the only rational one because Is said the word ‘premise,’ ipso facto!”

      1. Tony|2.24.17 @ 9:25AM|#
        “Ah, the Ayn Rand school. “I’m the only rational one because Is said the word ‘premise,’ ipso facto!””

        Ah, the imbecilic prog school: Cite Ayn Rand.

  12. Soon, the White House denied it had ever considered the memo (and so far, there is no reason to believe it is lying).

    You can’t trust a talking building.

    1. FFS, the one time that I wish Reason had an upvote button.

  13. stop commandeering the horrors of history for short-term political gain and come up with a better analogy.

    “Oh, very well. Trump is like the Martians in “War of the Worlds”!

    1. More like Mars Attacks.

      1. +1 comedy/horror

    2. “Oh, very well. Trump is like the Martians in “War of the Worlds”!

      That explains his germophobia.

  14. Every year, more than a million people become American citizens.

    False.

    1. Wrong

    2. cite your source; here’s mine (broken up to meet the 50 character “word” limit on this non-web-address recognizing site.
      https://www.dhs.gov /immigration-statistics/yearbook/2015/table1

    3. According to Homeland Security (DHS), in 2015, the last year for which the full annual statistics were published, at https://www.dhs.gov/, incidentally, “In 2015, a total of 730,259 persons naturalized . . . . ”

      However, there were apparently several years within the last 10 years when the number of persons naturalized exceeded 1 million. So far the record number of persons naturalized was set in 1997, when 1.4 million persons were naturalized. Between fiscal 1995 to 1998, 900,000 or more people applied for and almost all were granted citizenship each year.

      Although official figures aren’t out for fiscal 2016, as of October of last year, 2016, in just the first 3 quarters of 2016 approximately 718,000 naturalizations occurred, up 26% from the previous year. The spike last year no doubt intensified after Trump’s election. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that more than a million persons filed for naturalization during the FY 2016.

      Therefore saying that it is false to claim that more than one (1) million people become American citizens every year is technically incorrect. The one (1) million persons claim is possibly a slight exaggeration, unless the claim is intended to mean as to last year and going forward, prospectively, in which case it is not an exaggeration.

  15. “If you accuse somebody of being a Nazi, and you are not dead one minute later, you have been refuted”

    I’ve failed to run this quote down several times, so if you know who said it originally, please post.

    For the present hysteria, I would modify it thus;

    If you accuse the President of being a Nazi, and you don’t vanish within a week, you have been refuted.

    1. What if the president doesn’t see it as an accusation?

    2. Yes, and Putin not having killed Gary Kasporov is a sign that he allows for a free press.

      I’ve failed to run down that… no wait, it was Steve King.

    3. The same logic in this NY Post piece:

      Please stop comparing Trump’s presidency to Orwell’s ‘1984’

      Here’s the thing about totalitarianism, though: It’s a complete system. Totalitarianism brooks no escape from its ruthless imperatives.

      If Big Brother were actually sitting in the Oval Office, he wouldn’t be whining on Twitter that Meryl Streep is overrated. He’d just have her disappeared.

      Mentioning “1984” is armchair courage-signalling, an attempt by “dissidents” to make it seem like they’re risking everything (just as describing themselves as “dissidents” is a moral self-promotion). Given that we all know true courage is rare, the sheer volume of Trump-bashing indicates that the risk involved is zilch.

      Painting the Trump administration as more dire and threatening than it actually is is an essential component of the “1984” fallacy, the other half of which is the self-aggrandizement that allows you to think your blog post or op-ed has raised you to the same level as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn or Dietrich Bonhoeffer (who were, respectively, exiled to a gulag and executed for opposing Stalin and Hitler).

  16. Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of [Jews] entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the [Jewish] population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing “25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global [Jewhad]” and 51% of those polled, “agreed that [Jews] in America should have the choice of being governed according to [Halakha].” [Halakha] authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won’t convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

    Mr. Trump stated, “Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in [Halakha], and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again

    1. Your analogy is bullshit. Hitler didn’t call “for a total and complete shutdown of [Jews] entering Germany”, he called for stripping German citizens who happened to be Jewish of their liberty, property, and eventually life, based on the false idea that they had too much power and money and were manipulating the government against the interest of the rest of the country.

      If you want to make Nazi analogies, then a more apt analogy is to replace “Jew” for “the 1%”, “bankers”, “corporate executives”, and “privileged white males” in the speeches of progressives, e.g., Sanders:

      Our response has got to be not to throw up our hands in despair, not to give up. But in fact to fight back as effectively and as vigorously as we can. Our job is to keep our eyes on the prize. And the prize is that we will continue fighting for a government that represents all of us and not just the [Jews]. And we’re going to go forward in the fight for economic, social, environmental and racial justice. That’s who we are, that’s what we’re going to do. We’re not giving up.

      1. The analogy is in singling out a religious/ethnic group as a scapegoat.

        1. Tony|2.24.17 @ 11:26AM|#
          “The analogy is in singling out a religious/ethnic group as a scapegoat.”

          So irrelevant straw-grasping on your part.

        2. Banning temporarily from certain countries (non-Americans) is not the same as sending your own citizens to camps

          Dear good.

          1. He said total shut down on Muslims you pathetic lap dog.

            1. OooH….Tony 5.0 is feisty….

        3. The analogy is in singling out a religious/ethnic group as a scapegoat.

          Of course, that’s not what’s happening. Trump is temporarily restricting immigration from a small number of countries we are effectively at war with.

          Your problem is that you see false analogies because you are delusional and ignorant.

          1. Those are his own words. Maybe one of his stupid toadies figured out that doing what he said he wanted to do was so unconstitutional a fetus could figure it out.

            Turns out the alternative was too, of course.

        4. An analogy ? a fill-in-the-blank comparison. There are deeper requirements in inference to actually analogize ? it’s why the concept is used in the same manner in linguistics, formal logic, and mathematics. Replacing vocabulary to make a political point does not an analogy make (especially when, as pointed out, the characteristics of the groups involved don’t have the same teleology or placement).

      2. DNFTT

    2. your analogy would be much, much better if you could document for us the atrocities those rascally Jews were committing on every continent during that time. Go ahead; we’ll wait. And gotta love how you gloss over the “until….(we) can figure out what’s going on” as if looking into an area of concern is somehow a bad thing.

      The point remains: every class of refugee that has filtered into this country up to now did so with the express purpose of getting away from what made his/her native country a shitbox. He/she had no intention of making the US resemble what had been left behind. As Western Europe has discovered, this new class of immigrant has no such intention. Sweden, of all places, is the global rape capitol. Sweden. You can tell me all you want that it’s not fair to indict an entire group on the actions of a few, except it’s not just a few. And the odd communist or klansman here and there is not a mortal threat, either, but no place was improved through importing a lot of those folks.

      1. If you’re targeting an entire religious or ethnic group for scapegoating, you’re acting kind of like a Nazi.

        Name all the terrorist attacks committed by Muslim refugees in the US. Now compare that to the number committed by white Christians.

        1. Tony|2.24.17 @ 12:04PM|#
          “If you’re targeting an entire religious or ethnic group for scapegoating, you’re acting kind of like a Nazi.”

          Or kind of like commies, right?

        2. What if you’re only targeting a radical subset of that population. That OK?

          And as far as refugees committing terrorist attacks… stop using talking points meant to fool the gullible? Isn’t it enough to show links to terrorism, or are you claiming that we should only lock up jihadists after they’ve killed people?

          Here you go. A partial list:

          http://www.publicnow.com/view/…..:00-xxx376

        3. If you’re targeting an entire religious or ethnic group for scapegoating, you’re acting kind of like a Nazi.

          And which “entire religious or ethnic group” do you think Trump is “targeting”? Certainly not Muslims or Arabs.

          Name all the terrorist attacks committed by Muslim refugees in the US.

          Who the f*ck cares? The US should admit people who speak English, who have made a demonstrable commitment to liberty, tolerance, and the Constitution, and who bring skills and education. To the degree that Iraqis, Syrians or Yemeni bring that to the table, we can admit them; those that do not shouldn’t get admitted to the US.

          1. “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”

            1. Is that what the EO says?

              Hard to have a “complete shutdown” of Muslim immigration when the EO only covers 15% of the world’s Muslim population, innit?

              1. I’m telling you this as a friend. You really don’t want to be on Team Trump by the time this is all over.

                1. Really? You reckon that progressives have looked good lately?

                  Lol

                  I’ve asked 4 questions in 2 Posts. You seem unable or unwilling to address them.

                  Are you gullible, or just ignorant?

                2. Tony, I’m telling you this as a friend. Saying that someone is using overblown rhetoric when talking about Trump isn’t being “on Team Trump”. One can (and many do/did) point out Hillary Clinton’s flaws without being “on Team Trump.” One can (and many here do) point out that negative statements about Trump are false without being “on Team Trump”. You’re suffering from the false premise that “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” As most of the readers here will agree, both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are generally enemies of liberty, but only a fool would think that that makes the two parties friends.

            2. “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States”

              Well, obviously that doesn’t refer to US citizens, it refers to non-citizens, which is perfectly OK, both under US law and under international law: nations are free to restrict immigration by religion. Just look at Muslim countries, many of which do just that.

              Furthermore, Islam isn’t (just) a religion, it’s a political ideology, an ideology as destructive and hostile to liberty as communism, socialism, and fascism, and the US, like other Western nations, is well advised to ban immigration of people who hold beliefs hostile to its Constitution.

          2. Who the f*ck cares? The US should admit people who speak English, who have made a demonstrable commitment to liberty, tolerance, and the Constitution, and who bring skills and education. To the degree that Iraqis, Syrians or Yemeni bring that to the table, we can admit them; those that do not shouldn’t get admitted to the US.

            I always stop and think of the requirements to rent an apartment or especially the information and interviewing of getting a job. Being ‘hired’ to become an American (as an entry-level position with room to be promoted to citizenship) should have at least that much checking and involvement.

            (of course, you could also become a squatter instead, but fat chance that the super will come and fix your busted pipes for you if you aren’t supposed to be living in the building)

  17. Agreed. Nazi references are silly. The correct reference is the rise of fascism in 1920-1930s Italy.

    1. +1 Iron Sky

  18. Hitler rode his scapegoats (Jews) to power.

    Trump rode his scapegoats (illegal humans) to power.

    Hitler was a megalomaniac… So is Trump. Ditto the opposition to a free press… And a devotion to Nationalism, and Socialism. Both of them did / do run an organization in chaos, with multiple factions fighting each other. Both had / have VAST spy agencies reporting to them.

    It is enough to make me a pants-shitter, and a proud pants-shitter, at that!

    1. That’s a little bit messy.

    2. Hitler rode his scapegoats (Jews) to power.

      Obama rode his scapegoats (bitter clingers) to power.

      Hitler was a megalomaniac… So is obama. Ditto the opposition to a free press… And a devotion to Nationalism, and Socialism. Both of them did / do run an organization in chaos, with multiple factions fighting each other. Both had / have VAST spy agencies reporting to them.

      It is enough to make me a pants-shitter, and a proud pants-shitter, at that!

  19. Offending my sensibilities = genocide.

  20. Border security = genocide

    1. But only the one border, for some reason.

      1. Does the other border have people trying to sneak over it?

        Why don’t you and your leftie pals ever want to move south? Why always canada?

        1. You’re such an ignorant rightwing Republican poodle.

          1. God you are tiresome, Tony. And it’s not because you’re liberal, it’s because all of your comments start hostile and almost immediately devolve into dumb schoolyard name-calling.

            I get the impression that this isn’t even about discussion with you, it’s more like free Primal Therapy or something and I really wish people would stop taking the bait.

  21. Trump’s no Hitler. He isn’t even vegetarian.

    1. but does he like dogs?

  22. First they came from the cosmotarians, but I did not speak up, because fuck them.

  23. “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out / Because I was not a Socialist. / Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out / Because I was not a Trade Unionist. / Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out / Because I was not a Jew. / Then they came for me / and there was no one left to speak for me.”

    People love to use this poem as a cudgel against anyone who fails to match their own hyperbole on political issues, appropriating the suffering of others for their causes.

    The guy who said this, Martin Niem?ller, started off as an arch-conservative monarchist, then became Nazi, and after the war turned into a communist sympathizer (he received the “Lenin Peace Prize”). Niem?ller throughout his life was in love with statism and totalitarianism. Remember that when people cite this as some kind of principled statement of opposition to oppression.

    1. Quoting someone’s poetic utterances might gain some ground, but as you properly do here, it’s important to see “how is that working out for you”.

      I could say that Whitney Houston told us “I believe the children are our future” and then overdosed and drowned in a bathtub. And then as later reported in the news, “Bobbi Kristina Brown died from a combination of alcohol, drugs and drowning”. Ergo, quo vadis.

      So she was right, actually, dead on, but that doesn’t do me much good.

      In Niem?ller’s quote, I would rather get a better understanding of “they” and who they are and if they are the same “they” each time. And did they actually come for him?

  24. You know who else belittle3d the Holocaust?

    1. *Belittled* F’n Fat Fingers.

    2. MC Serch from 3rd Bass?

    3. (belittling the Holocaust…IN 3-D!)

  25. Your Stupid Nazi Analogies

    What about this Nazi comparison?

  26. Yeah, also stop mentioning JEWS when you talk about the Holocaust. There were other victims too. Like gypsies

  27. The comparison to Hitler is just lazy. Juan Peron is a better one.

    1. Everyone should go to Nordstrom and buy the Eva Peron collection!

  28. There are two accusations that immediately brand the accuser as an ignorant fool unworthy of any consideration.

    One is Racist
    The other is Hitler.

    1. But with “racist”, there’s at least a small chance that the accuser might actually be making a factual accusation.

      1. Not really – the accusation is always a reduction, a summary, a judgement. Because if someone can take the actions, words and deeds of a stranger and boil it down to a single word like “racist”, he must be supernatural.

        Or converting his vocabulary to Newspeak.

  29. RE: Stop Belittling the Holocaust With Your Stupid Nazi Analogies
    Not everything is 1933 redux.

    But…but…but if the socialist don’t use a nazi analogy, no one will pay any attention to these snowflakes.
    Then they’ll soil their diapers, pout, cry and throw a tantrum because no one is paying any attention to them.
    How would want that on their conscience?

    1. I was recently short-circuited to the “Nazi” analogy, by using the term ‘snowflake’ in a reply I made. This person, the SJW told me that my use of the word is just like the Nazi guards in death camps, referring to the falling ash from the ovens as “snowflakes”.

      Ergo, I must be a Nazi, and Q.E.D.

      To quote Ron White, “I did not know that about myself!”

  30. People love to use this poem as a cudgel against anyone who fails to match their own hyperbole on political issues

    First they came for the hyperbolic poets….

  31. Donald Trump is an evil that has not been measured yet. Nazism has.

  32. You’re demonstrating you believe fake news. the lies of the Socialists. Nazi is the abbreviation for NAtional soZIalistische – National Socialist. The Nazi party’s full name is NAtional soZIalistische deutsche arbeiter partei – which literally translates from German as the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

    Socialists – left-wing liberals – continue Nazi tactics by espousing the same brownshirt violence against those who refuse to follow their left-wing agenda, but today they wear black and are masked. Modern day socialists continue the Nazi strategy of both violence and lies “Make the lie big, keep saying it, and eventually they’ll believe it.”

    Today’s socialists also have the same Nazi strong social programs, the same strong gun control agenda, the same strong government control of education, and the same strong emphasis on government jobs and worker’s rights. So they mislead useful idiots by referring to Nazi as right-wing whereas in truth Nazi is actually liberal left-wing and socialist.

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  34. I agree with the article. However, I’ll just add one thing….

    When people make this comparison, one of the many responses I hear is that Trump never systematically murdered millions of people, or something to that effect. That’s true of course, but what I hear when people use that comeback is that they ignore everything that came before that allowed Hitler to get to that point. Hitler wasn’t just Hitler the moment the Holocaust became a reality. People often ask how the Germans could’ve let it get that far, and I think we see why in the comments of people today who can’t be bothered to be outraged unless it crosses a clear moral line, when it’s often the initial steps you have to be worried about, otherwise it’s too late.

  35. “Where liberty dwells, there is my country,” Ben Franklin is said to have written.

    That’s a badass line.

    I truly fear for Liberty’s sake, cause to my eye it would seem that major forces and political leaders that commanded great respect and wielded great power once upon a time truly heralded for liberty. And yet the dream was never truly realized. If ever there was a Libertarian moment it was the founding of the nation, no? Yet, here in modern times we hold on to hope but where is our Achilles and Hector of old to champion our cause? We have no Ben Franklin, we have no Thomas Jefferson, John Locke, or James Madison.
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