Immigration

Trump's Deportation Memos Will Give the Joe Arpaios of America Free Rein to Terrorize Immigrants

But not a single American will be any safer.

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The Department of Homeland Security's so-called deportation memos this week implementing President Trump's executive orders to eject unauthorized aliens in the

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country didn't, after all, enlist the National Guard to conduct mass deportations or even require the creation of a special federal deportation force, as many had feared. They actually do something far more insidious and hideous: They empower thousands of potential Joe Arpaios around the country to terrorize Latino communities.

Arapio, readers will recall, is the former Arizona sheriff whose harsh tactics to hunt down, detain and eject undocumented Latinos—including forcing a detained Latino woman to deliver a baby in shackles—earned him nation-wide notoriety. But Trump touted his endorsement as a badge of honor repeatedly during the campaign. Arpaio went down to an ignominious defeat, losing his seat by double digits in the last election. But the DHS memos now hand him a huge victory—and a blow to a decent, humane and rational immigration policy.

Study after study has shown that immigrants, including the undocumented variety, are far less crime prone than the native born. Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population rose from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent and the number of unauthorized tripled from 3.5 million to 11.2 million. What happened to crime in this country? Violent crime went down by nearly 50 percent. And property crime fell by 41 percent.

In immigrant gateway cities such as El Paso, San Antonio, Austin, San Diego, crime has diminished as the unauthorized population has risen. Indeed, the 2010 American Community Survey found that the incarceration rate of the native-born 1980, 1990 and 2000 was two to five times higher than that of immigrants overall. And what about compared to less-educated aliens, many of whom are undocumented? In 2010, 18-39 year-old native-borns had an incarceration rate of 10.7 percent – three times more than foreign-born Mexicans, and five times more than Salvadaron and Guatemalan, many of whom are undocumented. And the undocumented incarceration rates are so low despite the fact that between 2000 and 2010, thanks to the post 9-11 hysteria, more immigrants were thrown into jail for ever more minor immigration-related, a 2015 American Immigration Council study by Walter Ewing and others points out. (For example, illegal reentry was reclassified as a criminal – as opposed to a civil – offense worthy of imprisonment before deportation.)

Given this backdrop, in a remotely rational world, law enforcement resources would be refocused away from immigrants to those who pose an actual threat.

But not in Trump's America where a head is in even greater short supply than a heart.

The DHS memos state that the agency will prioritize the removal of "dangerous" undocumented criminal aliens. But there are not too many of those left given that Obama already expelled 2.5 million illegals, starting with the hardened criminals and then moving up to ever more minor transgressors in order to use up all the deportation dollars that Congress had thrown his way. (In fact, not only had Congress authorized dollars exclusively for the deportation of 450,000 aliens annually but also mandated that 34,000 detention beds be filled every day. Every. Single. Day.)

So in order to meet Trump's ambitious deportation promises to his immigration-hostile base, the DHS had to go further. And it did.

It declared an end to the Obama-era policy of exempting certain narrow categories of undocumented aliens from enforcement. These categories included those who didn't have any criminal convictions but had lived in the country for decades and therefore put down deep roots in the country, forming families, having children. Now, with the possible exception of 750,000 Dreamers (those who were brought to the country as minors), every, single undocumented will be fair game. In fact, they already are given that even before the DHS memos were released, the agency had launched immigration raids in six-plus cities and rounded up close to 700 people over the course of a week. Not even spared were folks like an El Paso domestic abuse victim who was arrested in the court where she had gone seeking an order of protection!

Nor is the administration mincing words about any of this. Says Trump Press Secretary Sean Spicer: "The message from this White House and from the DHS is that those people who are in this country and pose a threat to our public, or have committed a crime, will be the first to go, and we will be aggressively making sure that that occurs. [But] everybody who is here illegally is subject to removal at any time."

But of course deporting 11 million people through federal immigration raids like the recent ones would require a vast and expensive enforcement machinery. How vast? Much vaster than the 25-50 percent increase in border patrol and ICE agents that DHS Secretary John Kelly demanded pronto in his memos.

Kelly's expansion will cost $4 billion, which is not nothing, but, according to the American Action Forum, a right-leaning think tank, this will be less than a drop in the ocean. AAF crunched some numbers and concluded that fully purging all undocumented immigrants using current levels of personnel would take at least 20 years and cost the government $400 billion to $600 billion. Trying to accomplish this in just two years, as Donald Trump originally proposed, would cost even more because that would require ratcheting up the apprehension of the aliens from 4,844 to 90,582, immigration detention personnel from 5,203 to 53,381, federal immigration attorneys from 1,430 to 32,445 and immigration courts from 58 to 1,316. Warehousing an immigrant costs the feds $125 per day. (This is all in addition to the $1 trillion economic loss of shrinking the labor force, notes AAF.)

Clearly, even a Congress fully inhabited by nativist-restrictionists such as Jeff Sessions and Tom Cotton wouldn't be able to scrape up anything close to that kind of change from the federal treasury.

So that's why instead of doing it all federally, the DHS is planning to essentially identify the Joe Arapaios lurking in cities and municipalities and deputize their cops to go after undocumented folks.

To that end, the agency is dusting off two programs:

One is the 287 (g) program that was created in 1986 but wound down by the Obama administration after its abuse by Arpaio surfaced. Under this program, local law enforcement agencies can voluntarily sign up to be DHS agents and acquire nearly the same powers as federal agents to access federal databases, check immigration status, interrogate, and arrest non-citizens and issue detainers till they are whisked away by ICE agents to be deported. 287(g) cities are the exact opposite of sanctuary cities.

The other tool that President Bush created, President Obama mothballed in 2009, and now the DHS is saying it'll restore is the SECURE Communities program. This program, of questionable constitutionality, requires local law enforcement to check the fingerprints of anyone they detain, no matter how minor the crime, against ICE databases. If these folks turn out to be illegal, ICE issues a "detainer" requiring the person to be held for 48 hours till it can whisk them away for deportation. Basically, something as minor as unpaid tickets can become grounds for deportation, breaking families, ruining lives. This is the program that triggered the sanctuary cities movement.

These are far from the only tools at the DHS's disposal to go after undocumented workers. But the beauty of these two programs is that neither will require immigration raids for mass round ups (although those too will happen from time to time just so that President Trump can give his nativist supporters something showy to cheer). Along with the agency's guidance that all the undcoumented are now fair game, they'll just give local cops free rein to pick off their targets at will just so long as they bide their time.

The Joe Arpaios in America are about to have a field day. The double tragedy of this is that they'll make life hell for America's Latino community without making other Americans one iota safer.

Update: Politico divulges another troubling detail about the 287(g) program:

Trump's original executive order called for the DHS to revive the program. But the new memo goes a step further and actually expands it: Previously, local law enforcement agencies could only sign 287(g) agreements with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which largely operates in the interior of the country. Now, they can also sign such agreements with Customs and Border Protection, which largely operates at ports of entry and along the border.

John Sandweg, former acting director of ICE under Obama, called the move "unprecedented." Neifach, the Bush-era DHS official, also said the "change caught my eye." What does this mean? It's tough to know until ICE and CBP actually issue additional guidance. Experts said that local police would gain few additional authorities from partnering with CBP than they wouldn't already have from partnering with ICE. But they could gain additional powers near the border, including boarding any vessel in search of undocumented immigrants and searching private lands within 25 miles of the border, said Neifach.

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  1. You know what really gives them free reign? This act we like to call the Immigration and Naturalization Act. Take it up with Congress, not an executive who dares to enforce the law.

    1. I told you many years ago that the Arizona law which purported to give the police power to ask drivers and other people for their immigration status was not going to be used to trap illegal immigrants but to harass American citizens who happened to look like the Frito Bandito and I was proven right.

      And I will be proven right again when the first American citizens are arrested for not carrying their r passport and sing “I’m from East LA!”

      1. When that happens, you let us know about it.

          1. John will be too busy slurping cop balls and fapping to his Trump poster to notice even if you did come back to point it out.

          2. Your problem is you don’t think at al

      2. The police are harassing American citizens who go around wearing six guns and a big ole sombrero?

        1. Arriba Arriba Andale Andale, Ole speedy is ready for them.

      3. Living in AZ I have yet to hear any reports of this anywhere. Sorry, but SB1070 isn’t the boogie man you made it out to be.

      4. Your an idiot.

        1. I see what you did there.

      5. was not going to be used to trap illegal immigrants but to harass American citizens who happened to look like the Frito Bandito and I was proven right

        It is being used to trap illegal aliens; it also happens to end up inconveniencing American citizens “who happen to look like the Frito Bandito”, but that’s just an unfortunate side effect, not the intent. Tax payers really have better things to spend their money on than on hassling your ugly ass. It’s just that if you look like a wanted criminal, expect to get stopped a lot.

        This will end once the population of illegal aliens “who happen to look like the Frito Bandito” don’t number in the millions anymore. You can contribute to making that happen by helping with enforcement.

    1. The guy died leaving a wife and kids. What a despicable thing to do. What an asshole.

      1. Isn’t it something how these guys will even eat the corpses of their own if they think they weren’t sufficiently dedicated to the Jacobin revolution?

        1. Comes has been on Fox for years. Funny how that shithead waited until the guy was dead and no longer able to defend himself to finally inform the world of Comes’ failure to properly support the party.

          1. Exactly. What a coward

        2. = 1 Pope Formosus

      2. Even you, John, should know better than to believe Tulpa’s synopses.

        1. Unlike you I am literate and read the obit. And it is as nasty as he claims.

          1. Well, I guess you really are that dumb then.

            1. I took a shit in Hail Rataxes mouth once.

              1. Everyone already knew you were Tulpa.

                1. If you are calling me Tulpa…………………….

                  No need for false modesty here as I am the ultimate Un-Tulpa!

        2. Fuck off, asshole.

    2. Shikha is a dipshit scumbag

    3. Damn. I didn’t know he died.

  2. Along with the agency’s guidance that all the undcoumented are now fair game,

    They always were. This is why honest people call them “illegal immigrants”.

    1. I wonder why if that shouldn’t matter we just can’t call them that without people throwing a hissy fit.

      1. The only people throwing a hissy fit are the liberal azzholes

    2. I’ve always called them illegal aliens, as immigrants to me implies something else.

    3. Actually, really honest people call them “illegal aliens”, since the term “immigrant” already suggests an expectation that they are settling permanently.

    4. Illegal aliens

      They haven’t immigrated here, they’re just visiting
      They have to go back

  3. Should I actually read it? Should I even bother? Eh, fuck it, not this time.

    1. I started reading before I saw the byline and then when I did notice, I said what the hell. It wasn’t terrible as her stuff has been in the past, but so much whinging and strawmen that it’s hard to even give her credit for the things she comes close on .

  4. I admit that I fear agents hassling me well away from our borders more than I do Mexicans here without papers. Immigration in this country is a mess – and likely an increasingly expensive one – that neither Trump nor Congress is equipped to address. I don’t know who is, at this point.

    1. Probably not Shikha Dalmia at the very least.

    2. Eisenhower using 1950’s technology. was able to send back over a million illegals and scared 2 million more to move back on their own.

  5. Honest criticism of the Joe Arpaios of the world must include condemnation of the unauthorized immigrants that enable them. Or something like that.

    1. Immigrants don’t enable the Arpaios of the world. Are you saying the Arpaios of the world lack agency?

      Please.

      1. There’s a tween from the author of this piece that you’re apparently not aware of.

    2. Ha! Well done.

    3. Never happen. The corrupt media and the liberal scum will never condemn illegals.

  6. Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population rose from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent and the number of unauthorized tripled from 3.5 million to 11.2 million. What happened to crime in this country? Violent crime went down by nearly 50 percent. And property crime fell by 41 percent.

    And from 1970 to 1990 the foreign-born share of the U.S. population rose from 4.7% to 7.9% while violent crime increased by 146%. So what should we conclude from that?

    Also concerning the oft-repeated claim that immigrants commit crime at a lesser rate than Native-born Americans, CIS (yeah I know) has a pretty good argument that no one really knows whether that claim is true or not, because no one is really sure just how many of the people locked up are immigrants.

    http://cis.org/ImmigrantCrime

    But even if the claim is proven true, different immigrant groups offend at different rates. Forty-something Japanese-born Astro-physicts probably offend at lower rate than the native-born, while twenty-something MS-13 gang-bangers from El Salvador probably offend at a higher rate.

    1. And from 1970 to 1990 the foreign-born share of the U.S. population rose from 4.7% to 7.9% while violent crime increased by 146%. So what should we conclude from that?

      That you can support any claim you want as long as you cherry pick the right statistics. You can also conclude that Dalmia is a dishonest twit who thinks her readers are too dumb to understand that correlation does not necessarily mean causation.

    2. Re: MiloMinderbinder,

      And from 1970 to 1990 the foreign-born share of the U.S. population rose from 4.7% to 7.9% while violent crime increased by 146%. So what should we conclude from that?

      It logically means that the idea that immigrants are committing more crimes is ludicrous, because there’s no direct correlation possible looking at both stats. Am I right?

      CIS (yeah I know) has a pretty good argument that no one really knows whether that claim is true or not, because no one is really sure just how many of the people locked up are immigrants.

      If one accepts their claim, then the conclusion “Immigrants commit MORE crimes than native-born” is a logical fallacy, since such conclusion would only be supported by an Appeal to Ignorance. And if one does not accept their claim that “no one knows”, then that means their opinion is meaningless.

      To me, saying “no one knows” is just an obfuscation, a way of not saying “I don’t know”.

      1. that is not true at all. 3% of the population can easily commit more crime without affecting overall statistic.

    3. Also concerning the oft-repeated claim that immigrants commit crime at a lesser rate than Native-born Americans

      Of course they do… Simply because the 3% of Americans that are black and male between 14 and 35 commit almost half the murders in America. The FBI says Latin immigrants do commit murder at a significally higher percentage than white Americans.

      1. Well, their children certainly have high crime rates, but the illegals themselves, aside from the obvious (and serious) identity theft issues?

    4. Actually, by definition, 100% of illegal immigrants commit a crime.
      Does the fact that the sale of ice cream and the reports of rape both go up in the summer mean ice cream consumption cause rape? Or does it mean both are related to warmer weather? One has to be fake news, right?

      1. Actually, that’s not true. A large percentage of those here improperly are here by overstaying a legitimately issued visa. That’s not a criminal, but a civil offense.

  7. I’m just here for the comments. Some day Shihka will evolve into the destroyer, then we’re all in trouble. Look, I see little arms sprouting out of her torso now!

    1. She couldn’t find her ass even if she had four hands.

      1. Possibly if she had eight.

        1. That’s progressives for you: these policies would work if only we had twice as many arms as we do!

  8. Shikha’s thoughts on Black Bloc communist lynch mob in Berkeley:

    shikha sood dalmia ?@shikhadalmia Feb 3

    When facts are always “alternative,” brute force is all that’s left in settling with intellectual opponents!

    shikha sood dalmia ?@shikhadalmia Feb 3

    No matter what the moral rot on the left, the right always manages to outdo it! Sad!

    shikha sood dalmia ?@shikhadalmia Feb 2

    Honest condemnation of #Berkley violence must also condemn those who invited him.What’s point except baiting n inciting in Trump’s America?

    1. Immigrants are just like us in their commitment to free speech!

      Magic dirt!

  9. This isnt crazy hyperbole at all…

    To say that there all these joe a and absolutely no one will be safer (as there are no gang member and criminal illegals)

  10. This isnt crazy hyperbole at all…

    To say that there all these joe a and absolutely no one will be safer (as there are no gang member and criminal illegals)

  11. This isnt crazy hyperbole at all…

    To say that there all these joe a and absolutely no one will be safer (as there are no gang member and criminal illegals)

  12. Yet of course there are no thousands of Joe Arpaios. More likely landowners who employ illegal immigrants are already in cahoots with local police, who will turn a blind eye as long as they get a new shiny police cruiser every odd year.

    1. Re: Jerry on the sea,

      Yet of course there are no thousands of Joe Arpaios

      I think you may be right. There may be only about 999 of them. Whether that’s enough to cause the kind of outrage that Joe’s individual rights violations sparked remains to be seen, of course.

      1. Rights violations? I thought only the left wing media thought enforcing thhe law was a violation of someone’s rights. Old Mexican must be senile.

  13. “Study after study has shown that immigrants, including the undocumented variety, are far less crime prone than the native born. Between 1990 and 2013, the foreign-born share of the U.S. population rose from 7.9 percent to 13.1 percent and the number of unauthorized tripled from 3.5 million to 11.2 million. What happened to crime in this country? Violent crime went down by nearly 50 percent. And property crime fell by 41 percent.”

    These statistics need to be qualified. Otherwise, they’re being mischaracterized.

    What the studies have shown is that immigrants (including the undocumented variety) are less crime prone than native born Americans–of the same socioeconomic group. That last bit about the same socioeconomic group is crucial.

    When illegal immigrants come into a community, they commit less crime than other non-high school graduates who fall into the same income category. That is not to say that they commit less crime than your average American–because the average American is not someone who hasn’t completed high school and has the same income as an illegal immigrant.

    In other words, saying that illegal immigrants commit less violent crime than your average native-born American suburbanite is factually incorrect.

    1. any source to those studies because i have not heard that and its interesting.

      [are less crime prone than native born Americans–of the same socioeconomic group.]

  14. The Department of Homeland Security’s so-called deportation memos this week implementing President Trump’s executive orders to eject unauthorized aliens in the country

    Shouldn’t that be unauthorized Alien-Americans?

  15. iven this backdrop, in a remotely rational world, law enforcement resources would be refocused away from immigrants to those who pose an actual threat.

    People will have to be reminded of just how spendthrift are Republicans and what a boondoggle looks like, especially after learning the full bill of this wall that will not go over rocks and lakes and that “Mexico” is not going to pay.

    Yet Trumpistas will not care because they’re just a bunch of anti-Market right-wing socialists. They’re not unlike their brethren on the Marxian left except in the nature of the toys they want to waste our money on.

    1. At least immigration is a function constitutionally give to the federal government.

      1. Not quite true. Creating a uniform rule for naturalization (obtaining citizenship) is in the Constitution. Not immigration, which is a quite different matter.

  16. It is true that when illegal immigrants move into a slum, the crime rate tends to go down–as they displace and replace native born Americans who live in those slums.

    It should also be noted, however, that the children and grandchildren of these immigrants revert closer to the violent crime rate norm of native born American with each succeeding generation.

    Again, “of the same socioeconomic group” is crucial here. The poorer people are, the higher the incidence of violent crime–and illegal immigrants come here poorer than the average American. Their children have higher drop out rates, lower incomes, higher teen pregnancy rates, etc. than average Americans, too.

    If we can’t make our case without playing funny with the statistics, people will dismiss our arguments out of hand. OJ Simpson got off because the cops tried to frame a guilty man.

    1. Pretty clever thing you said in that last sentence. Funny too because Trump’s election reminded me of the OJ acquittal.

    2. again source material i would love to read more on this because i haven’t heard this kind of detail. I question if rebuttal states on this exist.

  17. I’m looking forward to the calm, rational discussion that this post will most assuredly inspire. /sarc

    BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!11!!!!!111!!!!! *pops some popcorn*

  18. Illegal immigrants should be happy. Obama Courted them and Deported them, Trump is just deporting them.

    1. “courted and deported” +1

  19. Here’s Cato referring to what I suspect is the same data:

    “Less educated young Mexican, Salvadoran, and Guatemalan men (poorly educated young men are most likely to be incarcerated) make up the bulk of the unlawful immigrant population but have significantly lower incarceration rates than native-born men without a high-school diploma. In 2010, 10.7 percent of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8 percent of Mexican immigrants and 1.7 percent of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants. These are similar to Rumbaut’s older research also based on Census data from 2000. Controlling for relevant observable factors, young uneducated immigrant men from Mexico, El Salvador, and Guatemala are less likely to be incarcerated than similarly situated native-born men.”

    —-Cato

    http://tinyurl.com/h52nftx

    Based on that data, saying that illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crime than native born Americans isn’t an oversimplification.

    It’s a mischaracterization.

    If illegal immigrants are more likely to be incarcerated than native born Americans–only less likely to be incarcerated than native born high school drop outs–then saying that illegal immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than native born Americans is factually incorrect.

    1. Thank you.

      Open Borders Uber Alles continues it’s corrosion of Reason.

      #FakeNews

    2. Furthermore, illegal aliens probably are much better at avoiding capture than native populations, so it’s not even clear that incarceration rates tell you much about the rates at which these populations commit crimes.

      And, crime aside, it is obviously unwise to increase our population of high school dropouts, since those are the very people that we already have plenty of social problems with domestically. That is, there simply is no good justification for letting these people into the country or letting them stay in the first place.

  20. Incidentally, taking the American Immigration Council’s analysis at face value on the topic of immigration is like taking the NRA’s statistics on gun crime, taking Green Peace’s word for AGW data, or the Church of Scientology’s word on L. Ron Hubbard.

    Yeah, I know I just quoted a Cato analysis on immigration myself, but that was an excerpt from a pro-immigration analysis that honestly accounted for anti-immigration data. Cato made the case for immigration despite the data–that’s intellectual honesty for ya!

    One of these things is not like the other.

    1. Until you have become clear and are free of engrams, you are incapable of taking any person’s word on L. Ron Hubbard.

      1. I see your Scientology, and raise you a Scienfoology! To learn all about us Noble Scienfoologists, please see http://www.churchofSQRLS.com for details?

  21. “immigrants”

    I ought to try that on my next trip to Chile. I’ll overstay my visa by a few years. When that capture me and put me on the first flight out of Arturo Merino Ben?tez International the next day, I’ll demand a passport because I’m an “immigrant”. That ought to work out quite well.

    1. Or in North Korea! Amiright?

      1. Yeah man, since Chile and North Korea believe in enforcing the LAW against that them thar illegal humans… And they are SUCH paragons of nice, tolerant places to live… We should be just like them!!!

        1. Sorry, I forgot to turn my sarcasm signal on.

          I’ll go now.

          1. Hi MWH (BTW, are you related to BMW?),

            I suspected as much, at the 99.9% level… My sarcasmometer has been repeatedly re-calibrated, it is working like a well-oiled machine by now!

            My snarkishness was more to agree with you and targetting KalkiDas… Chile is a darned sight better than N. Korea, but a libertarian paradise, it surely is not!

    2. Did you mean “first flight out of Arturo Merino Ben?tez International the day after my sentence is up”?

    3. Would that flight be via helicopter by chance?

  22. But not a single American will be any safer.

    I only care if it makes me freer. Go peddle safety policy to socialists.

    1. How will encouraging local cops to harass anyone they want to because they think they are “illegal” make you freer? What if they think you’re “illegal”?

      I know I wouldn’t be able to prove I’m an American citizen if some cop asked for my “papers”. Do you carry your birth certificate around with you? So, what criteria are your local gestapo going to use to determine if they are going to detain you if they pull you over for speeding and think you’re suspect?

      1. Once upon a time drivers licenses were only issued to citizens and legal aliens.

        1. Where they? How did the DMV know who was legal?

          No one ever asked me if I was a citizen or a legal resident before I renewed my license last year.

    2. Oh, by the way, how do you think they’re going to “Fuck You – Cut Spending”? Police states are expensive.

  23. deport yourself right off Reason, Dalmia.

  24. “…property crime fell by 41 percent.”
    I wonder what portion of that is taxation.

  25. Well I’m not reading all that but surely at least one person somewhere might end up being made safer. Like if their stalker gets deported or something.

  26. You know who won’t be safe? Anyone, if shikha gets her way about free speech.

  27. Right now folks the Police are harassing murderers, thieves, wife beaters, scammers and embezzlers. They are separating these people from their families. Don’t you people have a heart, we need to stop this harassment of people breaking the law. I mean they could stop doing all those things, but they are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.

  28. Yet another Reason post that does little except draw out the neo-con nutjobbers from the Federalist.
    Whatever happened to Reason as a libertarian publication with libertarian commenters?
    Don’t you con-tards have enough places to shit?

    1. Libertarians are slowly coming to realize that by letting progressives and socialists walk all over us with their selective embrace of libertarian values, we are actually moving in the opposite direction of where we want to go.

      For example, if we let in millions of third world folks with an authoritarian, socialist mindset that will be beholding to the Democratic party for generations to come, we might as well kiss any hopes of a liberal society goodbye.

      Progressives and socialists are con artists, and you’re right to call us “con-tards” because we used to be too retarded to figure out your con. But we’re learning.

  29. “Unauthorized”
    Didn’t need to read past that BS.

    Yes, illegal Mexicans are some of the nicest I’ve met in SoCal.
    Their poverty stricken American born offspring leave something to be desired though. Take a trip to East LA or downtown and see how we’ve mirrored a 3rd world country en masse.

    Why is not enforcing federal immigration policy a libertarian value again??

  30. “and a blow to a decent, humane and rational immigration policy.”
    The United States of America has one or the largest “decent, humane and rational” immigration policies in the world. It naturalizes around a million new citizens a year; a little less in the nineties, a little over that since. (DHS numbers)
    So why do you whine and cry about the others, who refuse to show this country the respect of following our laws? How is a criminal that crosses into the country different from a criminal that sticks a gun in your face and takes your money? We still jail thieves and murderers when they have families; what makes your favorite group of criminals different?
    It is intellectually dishonest to conflate legal immigration and legal immigration into “immigration” as if there is no difference. You may as well say a thief is just taking welfare with out the use of a government program.

  31. I don’t even bother reading Dalmia’s shit anymore. She has gone so far around the bend it is unreal. TDS is real.

  32. Trump’s Deportation Memos Will Give the Joe Arpaios of America Free Rein to Terrorize Immigrants.

    I don’t see why legal immigrants should feel “terrorized”.

    But not a single American will be any safer.

    The primary points of deporting illegal migrants are: (1) restore respect for the law, (2) reduce government spending on social services and welfare, (3) restore more economic opportunities to low-skilled American citizens, (4) prevent permanent Democratic single-party rule.

  33. Trump’s Deportation Memos Will Give the Joe Arpaios of America Free Rein to Terrorize Immigrants.

    I don’t see why legal immigrants should feel “terrorized”.

    But not a single American will be any safer.

    The primary points of deporting illegal migrants are: (1) restore respect for the law, (2) reduce government spending on social services and welfare, (3) restore more economic opportunities to low-skilled American citizens, (4) prevent permanent Democratic single-party rule.

  34. I see Dalmia is still a bat shite crazy fool. I know you people believe borders,, but you are wrong.

    1. oops my bad. I know you people don’t believe IN borders is what I meant to say.

  35. “Study after study has shown that immigrants, including the undocumented variety, are far less crime prone than the native born”

    Only if you ignore the crimes associated with illegal entry. And illegally work without authorization. And identity theft. And identity fraud. And human trafficking (transporting illegal aliens). And tax evasion. And driving without a license or insurance. And…

    Even if you set aside the immigration violations, there are plenty of laws broken every day by millions of illegal aliens. Laws which, if I broke them, would have me in jail.

  36. Wait people here illegally can be deported at any time? What a shock

  37. Finally! We can get started catching all these mexican terrorist that keep blowing up our job-factories!

  38. Gawd. This is so simple even a libertarian ought to be able to figure it out. First, as a sovereign nation, we have every right, and the federal government the obligtion, to secure our borders, and thoroughly vet every single individual who attempsts to enter. Like, you know, EVERY other country on earth. Second, if we were somehow able to eject every illegal alien from the country (yes, difficult, I know, but just for simplifying the argument) some non-zero number of Americans will not be killed, maimed, or had their identity stolen. That alone makes the effort worthwhile.

  39. I looked at the check for $8628 , I didnt believe that…my… father in law was like actualie taking home money in there spare time on there computar. . there sisters roommate haz done this for under 17 months and just cleard the morgage on there apartment and got a gorgeous Chevrolet Corvette . go to websit========= http://www.net.pro70.com

  40. In immigrant gateway cities such as El Paso, San Antonio, Austin, San Diego, crime has diminished as the unauthorized population has risen. Indeed, the 2010 American Community Survey found that the incarceration rate of the native-born 1980, 1990 and 2000 was two to five times higher than that of immigrants overall. And what about compared to less-educated aliens, many of whom are undocumented? In 2010, 18-39 year-old native-borns had an incarceration rate of 10.7 percent ? three times more than foreign-born Mexicans, and five times more than Salvadaron and Guatemalan, ????? ???? ???
    ????? ???? 2017 many of whom are undocumented. And the undocumented incarceration rates are so low despite the fact that between 2000 and 2010, thanks to the post 9-11 hysteria, more immigrants were thrown into jail for ever more minor immigration-related, a 2015 American Immigration Council study by Walter Ewing and others points out. (For example, illegal reentry was reclassified as a criminal ? as opposed to a civil ? offense worthy of imprisonment before deportation.)

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