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DeVos Opponents Think About Homeschooling Instead. Good for Them!

The system was developed by people attempting to get away from government control.

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Betsy DeVos
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There's going to be a temptation to want to publicly mock those on the left who have responded to the confirmation of Betsy DeVos as secretary of education by suggesting they could pull their kids out of the public school system as a form of boycott.

There have been some social media responses to that effect, and of course media outlets are jumping on them, aware of the sort of hypocrisy baked in. To respond to DeVos' support for school choice by engaging in school choice seems a bit hilarious to those on the other side. DeVos is even an avid supporter of home schooling! NBC notes a quote from DeVos:

"We've seen more and more people opt for homeschooling, including in urban areas. What you're seeing is parents who are fed up with their lack of power to do anything about where their kids are assigned to go to school. To the extent that homeschooling puts parents back in charge of their kids' education, more power to them."

DeVos' emphasis on school choice is a natural fit for the homeschool movement, whose members span the political spectrum but are largely conservative Christians who resist government oversight. That group has helped fuel remarkable growth in recent years, carrying the movement from the fringe and closer to the mainstream.

An an estimated 1.8 [m]illion children were homeschooled in 2012, up from 850,000 three years earlier, according to an Education Department survey published last June.

The story does note at the end that it wasn't Christian conservatives who started the homeschool movement in the United States but folks who thought the tightly regimented and bureaucratic system wasn't helpful for kids' learning. If people on the left respond by pulling out of the public schools and homeschooling instead, they're returning the program to its roots.

Resist the desire to mock these people. This is what school choice supporters have been arguing for all along. Parents shouldn't have to submit to whatever DeVos thinks counts as the proper education for their children. The public education establishment has attempted to paint the school choice movement as a mechanism for conservatives (particularly religious conservatives and wealthy conservatives) to escape participation in public schools. While an initial response could be "So? Their kids aren't your property," it's also very important to point out it's not true. It's not the DeVoses of the world struggling as hard as they can to get their kids out of public schools and into charters. The DeVoses of the world can just write a check and educate their kids wherever they want.

It's those randoms on Twitter who are intended to be the beneficiaries of charter programs and homeschooling. School choice options are wildly popular with parents, something mostly ignored by DeVos' opponents, given that they were more interested in carrying water for education unions. It's akin to the local politicians who protect the taxi cartels from ride-sharing services at the expense of the actual customers, who end up having fewer choices, paying more, and getting treated poorly as a result.

In the event that DeVos attempts to push through a particular ideology within the education system (I doubt this will happen, but you never know), parents should feel free to use the mechanism DeVos herself supports and reject her and seek education elsewhere. There's no valid reason for the Department of Education to exist other than to advance and expand bureaucratic rule of over our lives.

Meanwhile, some union protester in Washington, D.C., physically blocked DeVos from entering a public school today, an act so stupid that even the president of the American Federation of Teachers rejected it. That behavior certainly is not going to make public schools any better.

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      1. I don’t have the capacitance to provide much impedance.

    1. “Someone, somewhere messed up, and that someone needs to face the music,” Wingo said at a Buffalo Common Council meeting Tuesday afternoon.

      But we know that they never will.

      1. mistakes were made.

    2. seriously… why the hell should we resist the urge to mock these people?

      They stumbled around blindly acting like idiots and accidentally wandered into a reasonable position. Even a broke clock is right twice a day.

      Mock them mercilessly on the off chance that it might actually sink in. It probably won’t. Be we know for damn sure that it’s not going to sink in if we praise them for the brilliance of their support for home schooling.

    3. WRONG. She was arrested for incomplete paperwork.

      1. Nope. Because Fuck You, That’s Why

  1. DeVos Opponents Think About Homeschooling Instead. Good for Them!

    Thanks do DeVos’ tireless school choice advocacy, surely such an option will be fine.

    1. Next up, DeVos will argue not to throw her into the briar patch.

  2. Once again, excellent alt text.

  3. An an estimated 1.8 billion in 2012 children were homeschooled in 2012, up from 850,000 three years earlier,

    That is a substantial growth rate.

    1. Every child on earth is now being homeschooled, that’s awesome man!

      1. Maybe you should get some of that homeschoolin’, finally find out what that cat with the hat is so worked up about.

      2. Well, they are not receiving an education at school.

    2. Guess maybe I should correct their error for them…

      1. While you are at it, feel free to remove the redundant 2012 reference as well.

      2. An the redundant an too.

  4. ” … An an estimated 1.8 billion in 2012 children …”

    In a country of some 300M population, that has to be regarded as a wildly successful model!

    1. There must be a tax credit for homeschooling…

    2. Ummm, there is a slight bit of difference between the 1.8 million in the article and the 1.8 BBBBillion you quoted.

      1. The article said in a big blue link “1.8 Billion.” The report it linked to had the correct number. They may have fixed it since. It was sloppy writing in any case.

    3. Just an FYI, your truancy officer was asking around.

      Also mentioned how he was working on improving his choke hold…

  5. Home schooling is a great idea. Tony and the other trolls on here should start their own school and teach a whole new litter on how to be incredibly lying douche bags.

    1. Don’t progs do that by default already?

  6. As I said in another boards, progs and preppers share a lot more in common than they may think. They love wild conspiracies, they threaten to go off-grid for the apocalypse, they fear man-made medicine, etc. This is just one more similarity.

    1. Perhaps one difference has to do with the competence level of each group at subsisting off the grid.

  7. Why do these people hate public schools?

    1. Public schools so good they will not be attended.

      1. +1 I would never attend a public school that would accept me as a student.

  8. It’s not the DeVoses of the world struggling as hard as they can to get their kids out of public schools and into charters. The DeVoses of the world can just write a check and educate their kids wherever they want.

    Which is why the left is arguing that DeVos obviously has no interest in making public education better, she’s obviously an evil bitch doing her damnedest to destroy the public education system because she hates children – especially poor black children – and wants to kick them in the teeth while they’re down and struggling and helpless because this is just part of her sick, twisted, deviant fantasy. The public school system in this country is doing a remarkably fine job considering how under-funded and under-appreciated are the noble, selfless public servants who’ve answered the call to commit themselves to the cause of serving the least of their brethren. If they only had a little more money, maybe 50% more, you’d see what a great job they’re capable of doing with the bare minimum of resources their holy mission deserves.

    1. 1. Drive out the church
      2. Become the church
      3. Profit!

    2. I am always amused by the hero worship of the teaching class. I have a friend who got their degree in teaching who A) shared horror stories about the things they were taught that made me weep for our public school students and B) shared with me that most of the people seeking teaching degrees are those who literally washed out of other programs. Literally, those who can’t do, teach.

      Essentially teachers are 90% idiots who couldn’t do anything else, and 10% passionate professionals. We treat them as if the opposite is true.

      1. From friends that I’ve known, this is pretty accurate. I graduated from a charter high school, though, so not terribly familiar with it. In fact, one of my history teachers was a right-leaning libertarian that left a public middle school because of the whining, looting teacher unions. I was already leaning libertarian by middle school, but she probably helped me secure my positions.

      2. Literally, those who can’t do, teach.

        I believe the moral of your anecdote to be something more like “those who can’t learn, teach.”

        1. Right, so what does that say about the people who are training tomorrow’s teachers?

      3. You don’t understand, they have to grade homework. Truly selfless creatures.

        1. And they barely get any time off. You try enjoying life when your only time off is weekends, most holidays, Christmas week through New Years, day before and after Thanksgiving, spring break, days when it snows too much, and a couple of months over the summer.

          1. Three weeks at Christmas and entire week of Thanksgiving… not to mention in service days (they are supposedly doing “outreach”,) teachers’ training days (why they don’t do this during summer, I have no idea,) early release one day a week when school ends at 1:05 instead of 2:25, because the coven meets.

      4. Back when I was in school even the communications majors made fun of elementary education students.

      5. It’s not so bad when you can make 80 grand working 180 days a year.

        1. And retire at age 55.

      6. Everyone I’ve know who became a teacher is the same. I can’t imagine them doing anything other than teaching… because they aren’t very intelligent. It’s weird that when I meet teachers I have lower expectations for their mental capacity than basically any other educated person.

        1. But I learned a really crazy lesson first hand when I switched from teaching to construction.

          Prior to that, teachers always recognized me as a “fellow teacher.” I’m not sure what it is – an odor we gave off, or something.

          Anyway, teachers were always really nice to me when they saw me as “graduate student/fellow elite-person,” even though I often found the K-12 teachers a bit dim, relatively speaking (and now can say with some authority that your average K-12 teacher doesn’t have the intellectual capacity of your average electrician or plumber).

          Once I confronted a K-12 teacher when I was wearing a hard hat and a vest, I have to confess I was shocked at how rude and condescending they are as a general rule when they see you as one of the “uneducated.”

      7. It’s common knowledge that the education school at any college is the easiest in which to qualify.

      8. Pretty much, though I’d say it’s probably more like 50% of them shouldn’t be educating anyone.

        I just remember one teacher I had in public school who told her class:
        1. Rivers only flow south (this was in a suburb of Pittsburgh BTW… If you don’t appreciate why that’s important take a look at a map.)
        2. Colds are caused by coldness.
        3. The moon only comes out at night (I remember it well because it was around 2 in the afternoon and after she said it several of us looked out the window and pointed out we could see the moon)

        Eventually my parents put me in a private school they could only afford because it could barely afford to exist (the teachers often didn’t get paid)… I started college 2 semesters ahead of everyone else in math and physics.

    3. Fifty percent? That’s an order of magnitude too little.

    4. As a matter of law, government employees’ salaries are a matter of public record. Browsing the state database, I see that many of the local teachers and school administrators are just barely paid more than minimum wage, most of them in the $50-60k range and only a lucky small percentage managing to earn middle-class salaries in the six-figure range.

      Now this is only anecdotal since there’s no state database for this info, but I’ve heard that a good crack whore can easily earn $500 or more per night, which suggests, given the disparity in their incomes, that society values crack whores more highly than they value public school administrators. I don’t know about you, but this sort of thing makes me think long and hard about my ideas about how the free market and revealed preferences work when crack whores can earn more money than Deputy Assistant Vice-Principals For Diversity and Inclusiveness earn.

      1. And this is the thing that supporters of teachers’ unions get exactly backwards.

        It is the case that public school teachers are not well paid. They are not well paid because of the unions, not in spite of the unions.

        Not to toot my own horn, but I am a phenomenal teacher. 95% of my students loved me, and many said I was the best teacher they had ever had.

        I interviewed at a private-but-unionized high school in North Hollywood back when I was still interested in teaching but realizing that my race + my gender + my heterosexuality + my skepticism regarding Marx were going to make universities an uphill battle.

        They really, really liked me. The students really, really liked me. The other teachers really, really liked me. They really, really wanted to hire me, but union pay scale dictated that they could only offer me $52k/yr, which was less than I was already making in construction.

        Teachers are underpaid because unions artificially cap wages because when you have a union, if one person gets a raise, every single person gets a raise, and so no one gets a raise if management can help it.

        End result is that you get the teachers you pay for.

        1. As is the result for most of the really great teachers out there, you get fed up with how broken and soul crushing the system is and either leave or give up, with relatively few exceptions.

          1. It probably shouldn’t even be a career-profession. Just something people in their 20s do while they acquire other skills.

            1. Or something people in their 60s do after a full career of actually doing stuff in the world.

              Fun fact: in colonial times, teaching school was something you could get sentenced to do for public drunkenness.

        2. Surely you aren’t implying that pay should be based on something so barbaric as individual merit!

          Every goodthinking person knows that pay should be be based on something humane and fair, such as seniority.

          1. Surely you aren’t implying that pay should be based on something so barbaric as individual merit!

            What do you take me for, a mad man?

            Our educational bureaucrats just need to work *smarter*.

            *patiently waits*

          2. “Every goodthinking person knows that pay should be be based on something humane and fair, such as seniority.”

            I never understood why that is fair to the progressive mind. The fact that someone started working at a particular place before another person is pure coincidence and not a reflection on the actual merits of either the more senior or more recent hire. You might as well decide pay rates on some other completely out-of-the-individual’s control, such as skin tone. But of course their heads would explode if it came to that.

            At least with individual merit, the person in question does has a direct influence on the results and can consciously decide to go after better pay by increasing his or her own merit. No law says a mediocre, under-performing teacher can’t start boning up on the best practices, learning new methods, seeking out proven curricula, etc., and GET MUCH BETTER on the job. But the poor shlub that had the misfortune of being younger and/or more recently hired can’t do a damn thing to “improve” seniority other than wait. How is that fair?

            1. The idea is that people can’t control the abilities that they are born with, and therefore it’s not fair that guy x has to work twice as hard as guy y and get less for it. So you say “everyone in job x gets this amount of money year one, this amount of money year two, etc.”

              It’s a fundamentally Marxist idea – i.e. that the labor is a product of the collective workforce, which consists of individuals of different ability, but who all theoretically put as much “labor” in, and thus should have them same amount of compensation out.

              In this view the “unfairness” is the employer choosing to employ only the most efficient workers and leaving everyone else out in the cold, and then pocketing the savings.

              Not saying I agree with this logic (suffers from collectivism and some unfounded Hegelian assumptions), but this is what the logic is.

          3. Many of the teachers I know argue passionately that you cannot possibly distinguish between teacher merit, because how can you POSSIBLY do that when they teach such radically different subjects! Why, it just wouldn’t be FAIR to evaluate the math teacher against the art teacher against the PE teacher! Bull, I say. If you asked the teachers, the students and the parents to list the top five and bottom five teachers in any school, you’d get the same from every group. (Meanwhile, I have to rank my employees for raises, and I have IT, admin assistants, machinists, a glassblower, lab techs, and three PhD facility directors, yet I manage).

            1. Ironically, a fundamental part of the argument is that “merit” is so amorphous that it opens the door to culling teachers based on their political and/or religious views.

            2. PE teachers should get paid less than math teachers.

        3. From talking to someone who was looking to get into teaching is that most places can’t pay differently based on the subject they’re teaching. This causes a situation where schools might get fifty people applying to teach English, but it is damn near impossible to find people qualified to teach calculus or physics.

          Generally, somebody qualified to teach STEM subject can get a better paying job somewhere else. Yes, some people may want to teach out of the goodness of their hearts, but not enough to take a 50% or more pay cut. I’ve talked to a few school admins who would like to be able to teachers market rates, but can’t because of union rules.

      2. At least a crack whore is paid for performance.

        1. When Social Justice demands they be paid on seniority!

          1. I’m all in favor of that! I means the hot, fresh young crack whores are the cheapest!

        2. Sh/he will suck your dick for crack and give you a burger and some fries too?

  9. Lol these fucks only now believe in homeschooling and would gladly make it illegal if they could. Look at Europe where people are arrested for homeschooling

  10. Reposted because I hate all of you:

    Betsy DeVos Is Coming For Your Children

    Hilary Young, a community activist and mother of three in southwest Detroit whose children have attended both public schools and charters, knows exactly what happens when under-regulated charters begin to overpopulate the landscape.

    “I used to think that creating a free market system of school choice that would create more power at the local level was a good idea. And would have never fully understood until experiencing it first-hand the chaos that that has caused because there’s no coordination or regulation,” she told Deadspin recently. “And so instead of providing more choice for parents, free of government bureaucracy, it’s actually created less choice and less quality and even more government bureaucracy, stripping residents of their democratic rights with all of the state takeovers at every turn.”

    What does she think of DeVos’s newfound power?

    “I’m terrified,” she said, pausing to contemplate it again. “I’m terrified.”

    1. Ug, I saw this in my Google Now feed today and couldn’t roll my eyes hard enough. I especially love that her pic has been bathed in red. Like, you know, the devil.

    2. She’s useful, but not in the way she thinks.

    3. Deadspin, Sports and Progs!

    4. “I’m terrified,” she said, pausing to contemplate it again. “I’m terrified.”

      Samesies.

    5. overpopulate

      Has anyone asked them what the “right” % of the landscape is for Charters? because the impression i get is that the answer is “zero”

    6. I used to think that creating a free market system of school choice that would create more power at the local level was a good idea.

      Mmhmm. I’m sure you did.

      1. It’s possible. My brother is a public school teacher who believed in vouchers 15 years ago, but now thinks they’re racist.

        Never underestimate the power of tribal loyalty and constant propaganda.

        1. It just reads like one of Salon’s, “I used to be a libertarian, and then I learned that they are against common-sense regulations!” I could believe that she was for vouchers and charter schools, but “a free market system of school choice” sounds like some additional straw.

          1. True. Even when my brother supported vouchers, it decidedly wasn’t because “free market.” It was strictly utilitarian.

      2. This “I used to be a _______” thing is one of their stock-methods when building up a straw-man to knock down.

        Its really just a way of taking the same cartoonish stereotypes and misconceptions that liberals already believe, and putting them in the mouth of a fictional character who Affirms them.

        1. In fairness, it’s not really theirs. It’s at least as old as St. Paul.

          1. Didn’t Aristotle start one of his treatises, “I use to be a Platonist, until…”

    7. DeVos is highly qualified to implement her vision?children using vouchers to attend Kiddie Cato Institutes in the back of churches…

      …[DeVos] has made it her life’s work to wage war on public schools in her home state, with a special and successful focus on Detroit’s public-education system.

      Because Detroit was doing such a bang-up job before she waged “War”.

      1. LOL, I saw that line in the article yesterday, and immediately wondered, “Where in the Hell is this Kiddie CATO Institute, how much does it cost, and what is the waiting list?” Too late for my children, but I will soon have grandchildren. I want them enrolled.

        1. It’s funny how often I see a “worst case”, scaremongering scenario laid out by progs and think, “Oh man if only”.

          1. If we don’t do as they say, all of our political and economic dreams will come true and the annoying celebrities will pout and leave forever! Be afraid, be very afraid.

        2. And why in the hell will the Kiddie Cato Institute (an excellent idea if I ever heard one) be held in the back of churches?

          Do these people even attempt to communicate outside their echo chamber?

          1. Because churches are empty when the kids are supposed to be in school, and the owner of the building would love a few extra bucks. It’s the same reason AA and NA meetings are held in churches.

          2. The Koch bros, Evangelical Christians, conservative Catholics, and Trumpists are all exactly the same thing.

            Say the people who wine if anyone Trieste to blame social democrats for Stalin or or modern professives for scientific racism of slightly less modern progressives.

    8. So I guess Deadspin doesn’t cover sports anymore, it’s just degenerated into an AV Club-type site where the supposed main content is secondary to progressive whining about everything that doesn’t go their way. Is this a correct impression?

      1. Pretty much.

    9. under-regulated charters

      But isn’t everything under-regulated?

    10. I do not buy the assertion that it is actually physically or logically possible to provide a worse educational experience than Detroit public schools. Low-performing students cooked and served for lunch, maybe? Leg irons and beatings?

  11. Along these lines, the Homeschool Legal Defense Fund is opposing vouchers for homeschoolers as they fear it is a stalking horse for government intrusion.

    If the bill only applied to public schools and traditional brick-and-mortar private schools, HSLDA would take no official position on it. There is no question that many millions of children are stuck in public schools that fail to meet their needs, and school choice would be an incredible benefit to them.

    But HSLDA has repeatedly told our friends on Capitol Hill that our members and many other homeschooling families know that government dollars will eventually result in government regulation. Although we are grateful for our friends on Capitol Hill, and although we know that representatives King and Harris are well-intentioned, they need to hear loud and clear from the homeschool community. Even though the vouchers created by H.R. 610 would be voluntary, we believe that this would be a slippery slope toward more federal involvement and control in homeschooling.

    1. Huh. Good for the HSLDA.

    2. The wife and I homeschool and we will never take government money or tax credit for the cost of schooling. When the government puts some money in, they want a say in how it’s spent.

      1. I would settle for them giving me back the money I’m giving them to set up the “school” in the first place.

    3. Ill accept money, but I’m tired of paying for a school my kids don’t attend.

    4. They should give people the option to opt out of the voucher and just get their tax dollars back so long as their kids perform as well as the average public school student.

  12. Meanwhile, Arizona Senate panel approves universal school voucher program

    Number one in education freedom according to Cato and this is why.

    1. Because of ESA our [autistic] son is finally in an environment where he can be safe and understood and he can focus instead on his education rather than just surviving,” Salomon told the panel. “I believe all parents of special needs children deserve the option to place their child in the right education environment to support those special needs.

      But, but… wait! I thought that charters didn’t serve special needs children.

    2. Which is it? $5200 or $4300?

      1. Trick question: they’re equal.

  13. Posted this in a recent thread (courtesy Alaska Libertarian Party)

    Betsy isn’t qualified.

    1. From my trolling adventures yesterday, when I suggested the DOE was not necessary:

      we could have 50 competing standards. wouldn’t that be fun for university admissions.

      1. Those poor poor universities….

        *bangs head on desk*

      2. Harvard was founded in 1636. The DoE was founded in 1979. Somehow they managed to figure out who to admit without the US government for almost 150 years, and almost 350 years without the DoE. So if the the DoE were eliminated, I’m pretty sure they will be able figure something out.

        1. Even today when the place is infested with progs and prog-think levels of stupid?

          I wouldn’t be so sure…

      3. It is such a problem US unversities do not even bother with applications from foreign students. Sad, really.

        1. Not to mention the states already have their own standards, plus the private schools, plus homeschoolers. Add that altogether with your foreign students, and that’s a heck of a lot of standards universities already wade through.

      4. Or they can have one standard: the SAT.

        Or they can have student write essays and do interviews, and look at their courses and syllabi, and they can also simply ask the school what their grading scale is.

        And they can call the whole process an ‘application.’ And maybe someday in the distant future, without being forced to, simply for the efficiency of it, most colleges will standardize their application on a website called ‘commonapp.’

    2. A prog I know on derpbook posted a pic of a tweet that said:

      “Very important to get your DeVos jokes in while people can still read.”

      … so I posted this meme as a reply.

  14. the homeschool movement, whose members span the political spectrum but are largely conservative Christians who resist government oversight.

    is that right? arent they’re asking for oversight so that homeschooled kids can receive the same accreditation as their public school peers?

    i mean, if they were arguing that “there should be no “english literature” requirement, and that “a 100% math-based curricula” is sufficient for receiving a GED or something similar, that would make more sense.

    (or, alternatively, if they were demanding that ‘some other’ form of accreditation be recognized as equal to a govt issued diploma)

    but they’re not doing those things (or are they)? from what i’d gathered the were trying to replicate the govt-system but in a home-controlled environment, which allows discretion on HOW govt-mandated topics are taught. which still is inherently accepting the idea that the govt-maintains authority to determine what qualifies as a “primary education”.

  15. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos physically blocked by protesters from entering D.C. school

    http://wjla.com/news/local/tea…..ir-message

    1. If only Shhhhhhhd had included something about this in the postin! Stupid, Shhhhhhhd!

    2. You know who else blocked a woman from entering a public school?

      1. Damn, beat me to it.

    3. that protester blocking the steps is doing da butt! SEXAY SEXAY.

      Chuck Brown would be so proud.

    4. Ultimately, the union said they just wanted DeVos to hear their message – that they support free public schools and equal education opportunities for all children.

      So the narrative is that DeVos can (and has the power to) start charging tuition to public schools?

      1. The narrative is that she has the power to charge tuition, set the curriculum, ban minorities, close schools she doesn’t like, fire teachers, expel disabled students, and set disciplinary policy.

        In other words, a lot of people have no idea what the Secretary of Education does.

        1. I thought the Dept of Education did nothing – is this a trick question?

    5. She turned and ran from 3 people blocking the stairs?

  16. Woman’s barely on the job and look how she’s already hitting the long ball!

  17. You people are such idiots. PUBLIC EDUCATION IS THE PRICE TO PAY FOR CIVILIZATION!

  18. Yes, they should. The great thing about homeschooling is that kids are less likely to be brainwashed. Progs pretend otherwise because, in their world, parents teaching their values to kids = brainwashing. Ideally, the kids should have no values and be taught by people who don’t even like their students or care about their success.

    Bottom line: even homeschooled children of prog parents could potentially turn into wise and intelligent adults. So obviously the practice needs to be banned if we don’t want to run out of the right kinds of voters

    1. “The great thing about homeschooling is that kids are less likely to be brainwashed.”

      The day after the election, quite a few SF grammar school teachers flat out marched the kids in their classes into the streets so “the kids” could protest Trump’s election.
      Anyone who thinks gov’t schools aren’t in the business of indoctrination needs to keep that in mind.

    2. The great thing about homeschooling is that kids are less likely to be brainwashed.

      quizzical_dog.jpg

      Isn’t that usually the purpose of homeschooling? To make sure that your kids receive your particular brand of brainwashing? Usually it’s religious, but it can also be ideological. You see it all the time.

      1. Is this sarcasm?

      2. “Particular brand of brainwashing”

        Are we just defining the word to mean “teaching subjects I don’t like”?

      3. He said that kids are less likely to be brainwashed, not that they’re never brainwashed. Public schools attempt to teach kids to be mindlessly obedient to authority (you can especially see this with zero tolerance policies), to rote memorize information, and have a bias towards the left. At least with homeschooling, some people can save some kids from brainwashing.

  19. I’m unable to find anything in the linked articles about Devos’ opponents suggesting they shoud homeschool their kids in protest. Am I the only one. Sure would like to see that quote.

    1. No, but I did find this:

      Eve Lalumia, fourteen, was holding a sign that said, “Stop pretending our racism is patriotism,” and wearing a Women’s March sweatshirt. “I love your Bernie pins!” her friend Emma Rehac, fifteen, said to her. Their parents had given them permission to skip class.

      You know, for their education.

      1. Yeah, that’s a good one.

        The absence of the statement that is the very premise for a whole long article seems curious to me, no?

        1. It was in the third linked article. From the linked text, I thought it would be in the second, but I guess the linked text also goes to the part I quoted.

    2. “DeVos backlash includes call for homeschooling”
      […]
      “Among the initial opposition to Betsy DeVo’s confirmation this week as education secretary were calls on social media by parents, including liberals, to start homeschooling their children.”

      Third link.

      1. Yeah, thanks, I saw that. I guess I was looking for (links to) the actual statements. You know, something specific I can shove up some libtard’s ass when the opportunity arises.

        1. I’ve seen it on social media and in comments sections, but I haven’t seen any published articles or quotes from “authorities.” I think it’s hypocritical enough on the face of it that that’s probably where it will stay.

    3. the source for the claim seems to be (naturally) “stupid tweets

      you’re right the New Yorker piece said nothing about it.

      1. Thank you for the link.

  20. Note to the far left: If you keep tipping your hand that putting “unqualified” people in government is going to make you divest from government and rely on yourself and like-minded people, I’m going to keep trying to do that. Incentives matter.

    1. +1000. It’s funny how resisting the government is chic now. It’s not just for right-wing gun nuts anymore!

      1. ‘States rights’ are becoming a thing now, too.

        1. So leftists are now neo-Confederates? My goodness, our times are so confusing.

          1. Ask the states of Georgia and North Carolina about Jeff Davis’ commitment to states’ rights.

          2. Next thing you know, they’ll be protesting the wars in the Middle East again!

  21. I can still mock them. They want to homeschool their own kids but trap everybody else’s kids in the gubmint skools.

  22. There are 8 groups of homeschoolers, IMO.

    Three binary choices and all the combos:
    Religious
    Libertarian
    Hippy

    1. Nice way to put it! As a product of homeschooling myself, I know people who will literally describe themselves that way, ie “homeschooled for hippie reasons”.

      I was 4 parts religious to 1 part libertarian: my parents are definitely not libertarians but would certainly agree with them in a conversation on education.

    2. There’s such a thing as a religious libertarian hippie?

      1. Yes, yes there is. The ones I know probably wouldn’t describe themselves using either of the last two words, but fit, to an extent. Libertarian leaning and hippie leaning.

        1. I thought that was you…maybe with less hippie.

  23. RE: DeVos Opponents Think About Homeschooling Instead. Good for Them!
    The system was developed by people attempting to get away from government control.

    This is a horrible idea.
    Only through proper indoctrination can the little people and their offspring become true revolutionary puppets for the sake of our kind, merciful, wise and vicious ruling elitists who take the time and trouble to enslave and oppress us all for our own good. Another aspect that must be considered is wasting the surplus capital the untermenschen have. A good way to spend and waste the ill gotten gains of the lowly plebian class is to throw more money to pubic education so teachers can baby sit instead of teach, ensure the educational bureaucrats have six (or better yet) seven digit annual salaries and waste even more money on wonderful items as the machine that goes “ping.”
    Let us all remember that a good education is rightly reserved for our ruling elitist turds and their cronies if we are to have a true socialist slave state. Choice is not for the little people because we always make the wrong choice (for example, picking VHS over Beta, the Falcons over the Patriots, capitalism over socialism etc). Therefore, since we are incapable of making the right choice, it would be prudent to allow our obvious betters to make our choices for us.
    Then we will all live happily ever after.

  24. Progressives threatening to home school in protest against a school choice Secretary of Education is the second craziest thing I’ve read in the past few days.

    The craziest is progressives arguing that Trump’s executive order on asylum seekers is unconstitutional because it gives preferences to minorities.

    The left has completely lost their fucking mind.

    1. They’re also declaring that they support religious freedom. So they’re okay with refusing to bake gay wedding cakes now?

    2. It looks like the prediction that, even if Trump sucked, his winning might at least wreck the all-powerful executive branch are turning out to be true. Trump isn’t Sauron, he’s Gollum.

  25. Reposting because this person needs to be ripped to shreds much more often. This is a former DEFENSE ATTORNEY.
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/20…..e-baylors/

  26. Seems like you can set up a win-win with this.

    “Do you support school choice??”

    “Of COURSE not!!”

    “Why not??”

    “Because parents could use it to brainwash their children by forcing their values on them!!”

    “Oh, okay. So education can be used to brainwash children??”

    “Yes!!”

    “So your solution to that problem is to make sure Trump’s government is the only one allowed to educate children??”

  27. I wonder what they will say when they find out all the hoops, hurdles, and barriers they’ll have to jump through, over, and around, that have been erected by their erstwhile allies in the teacher’s unions? Will they be more of Irving Kristol’s “liberals mugged by reality”?

  28. Boy these proggies are starting to act like rootin’ tootin’ libertarians….til their goons get back in office and they remember how comfy their jackboot is.

  29. Resist the desire to mock these people.

    No. Absolutely not. Their hypocrisy and lack of ability to understand the reasonable conclusions to be drawn from their choices deserve mockery.

    If their commitment to their exercise of school choice is so weak it can be undone by a little mockery, it was just virtue-signaling in the first place.

  30. Mostly OT:

    I snagged a copy of The Bell Curve last night; it was two bucks on the bargain shelf of a used bookstore. It should prove to be an interesting read. Plus, if I ever hear someone harping on about what an evil racist book it is, I’ll be able to say, “have you ever actually read the book, or are you just going by what the media tells you?”

  31. In a time where only 15% of Americans have $10.000 of savings or more, giving up a paypacket and inadequately teaching your kids is not an option for many.

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