California Teachers' Pension System Lowers Projection, Potentially Tripling What Taxpayers Will Owe
And how baseball can explain complicated pension math.

The California Public Employees Retirement System, or CalPERS, voted in December to lower the pension fund's discount rate—the projected annual investment returns for future years—from 7.35 percent to 7 percent, in two steps that will occur between now and 2020. It's a modest adjustment and one that leaves the fund with a discount rate that still might be too high, but even that small change is going to add billions to the state's annual pension tab.
Last week, the California State Teachers' Retirement System, or CalSTRS, followed suit, announcing plans to lower the discount rate from 7.5 percent to 7 percent over the next two years.
"Both decisions acknowledge that the funds have earned lower-than-expected returns in recent years. With less money from investments, the funds are turning to taxpayers and employees to shore up their finances," the Sacramento Bee reported.
Taxpayers will be hit hard by the change. Bloomberg, citing data from the California Finance Department, says the share of pension costs paid by state taxpayers will triple in less than a decade and might increase further if investment returns under-perform the 7 percent threshold.
Every government entity that runs a pension system has to forecast the future costs of those benefits in order to know how much must be contributed (often, politicians will completely ignore that bit of information, but that's beside the point for now). Funding for those future benefits comes from three sources: contributions made by public sector employees, contributions made by taxpayers via government budgets, and investment returns.
To make a prediction about how much money has to come from the first two sources, governments make predictions about future investment returns. For years, pension plans have been using overly generous assumptions about future investment returns, which has effectively hidden the true cost of these pension plans for public workers and taxpayers.
California's move to lower the projected rate of return for CalPERS follows a recent trend that has seen many cities and states similarly reduce their expectations.
It's important to remember that changing those future projections doesn't alter the total future cost of the system. Those benefits are still just as costly and still must be paid for, but reducing the amount of money coming from Pot Three (investment returns) means states and cities will have to get a larger share of the money from Pot One and Pot Two (contributions from employees and taxpayers, respectively).
Here's the other catch: the contributions from Pot One are locked-in because they are negotiated as part of collective bargaining agreements. Those totals could change somewhere down the line, but they won't be changing immediately to reflect the new calculus created by CalSTRS decision this week.
That means the extra money needed to fill the gap is coming from Pot Two—from you, dear California taxpayers.
Of course, it was always going to come out of your pockets anyway. Those projected future returns are something of a fiction anyway, useful for making budgetary projections but not a guarantee of anything.
This about it like this. The Los Angeles Dodgers are projected to win 95 games this year, according to FanGraphs, which, like pension forecasting, uses statistical models of what we know about past performance to gauge future happenings. The stock market, like a baseball season, is full of surprises. There will be unexpected downturns, critical injuries, and breakout stars (or stocks) that few predicted. Adjustments will be made on a daily basis. In the end, CalSTRS might earn 7 percent for the year and the Dodgers might win 95 games, but no one can guarantee either outcome with 100 percent certainty.
If the Dodgers fall short, though, fans will be merely disappointed. If CalPERS or CalSTRS falls short, those same fans (and everyone else in California) will have to pay extra to make up the shortfall.
That's why pension plans should use the lowest reasonable projections possible. Economists and pension experts differ on what those should be, with some preferring a discount rate near zero and others arguing for a rate pegged to long-term government bonds (somewhere in the vicinity of 4 percent or so). Most experts agree that, over the long-term, pension funds are unlikely to achieve returns of 7 percent or more.
There's no downside to having a lower projection. It's like being told your favorite baseball team is expected to win about 85 games. That's a good season, but not a great one. If they end up winning 95 games, you'll be thrilled. If you expect that they will win 95 games and they only win 85, it's a disappointment.
If pension plans are pegged to 4 percent annual returns, and they earn 7 percent, taxpayers will be thrilled to learn they don't have to contribute as much as they thought. Expecting 7 percent and getting only 4 percent leaves governments exposed to higher costs than expected and puts taxpayers on the hook.
"Adopting a higher discount rate than warranted by the pension's actual risk cannot reduce the true, net cost of a pension plan," wrote Anthony Randazzo and Truong Bui, pension analysts for the Reason Foundation, which publishes this blog, in a 2015 report. "Similarly, a plan that employs a low discount rate puts a larger burden on today's taxpayers, leaving smaller obligations for future generations. Either way, the total economic cost of the pension plan remains the same."
Moving to a lower discount rate means a more realistic picture of just how expensive California's public sector pension plans are. The actual costs are probably higher still.
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Devos squeaked by F y'all's I.
So that's what all that wailing was....
Yup
Why do progs hate poor students in bad school districts so much? Serious question.
They don't. I think the NEA couldn't give two shits about the students, but your average prog really is a useful idiot on this issue.
"Foreseeable consequences are not unintended," as RC Dean (RIP) says. I don't give progs a pass on obvious outcomes from bad legislation, however pig-ignorant or wishful they are.
Did I miss something about RC Dean? What's the RIP for?
Jimbo: RC Dean was one of the ones who decided to remove themselves from the commenting here as part of the exodus.
ok.
Pussy.
I only come here for the commentariat so who left and why and are they commenting on another site?
Maybe, but they sure don't hesitate to put their kids in private school to keep them out of the public schools. How can you do that, and then not wonder if there isn't a better alternative for poor students?
Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a thing
Also keep in mind that not all Democrats have kids. I'll bet that the support for public schools declines after a few years of being put through the system.
Much like a lot of Democrats don't pay any income taxes. But they sure are happy voting to increase the amounts the rest of us pay.
because not all poor kids get the benefit of a charter school education in those cities. but instead of making the city (Boston, NYC, Chicago, DC, LA, Detroit) 100% charter so all kids benefit under that model, their solution is to ban charters.
It's the basis of their power.
Man do those comments give me the warm fuzzies.
LOL
Work? Does slave labor in our monocle polishing mines count as "work"?
heck no. that is a vacation
But Al Franken said she was unqualified and unfit for the job.
The money shot was when the former stand up comic said, " This is not a job for amateurs".
How did the room not burst out laughing when he said that?
Does any room break out laughing when comedian Al Franken says anything?
Boom!
Hey, he was funny that one time.
I guess contrary to my beliefs the guy can still be funny on occasion..
Man, at this rate I am going to have to hire conscript at least another dozen orphans for my tear bottling plant!
But now how is California going to balance their budget? Because it's totally balanced! Really?
...why are you looking at me like that?
I agree
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
There were seven of them last time I checked.
How does the jittery growth relate the turn?
People like you are why people look at me strange at work.
#SnortLaughingInMyCubicle
As I understand it, from personal experience no less, the weather is generally pretty good in California. 🙂
I dunno. Water is currently falling from the sky. I assume something is broken someplace.
Gaia cries.
They're pissing down your back... did you think that was rain?
Warm rain...
Acid rain...
Yep. I loved the fact, when I was living in Sacto, that I could plan something for outdoors in August back in May and *know* that I didn't have to worry about rain. No worry about a tent for camping. Just blue skies every day.
But they still have the money to build the bullet train, right?
Gotta have priorities. And a green boondoggle that will be unused is always going to top CA's priorities.
There's too much already invested, the only answer is to just power through it.
They have exactly as much money to build the bullet train as they had before.
I am really, really hoping Trump welches on any transportation spending Obama's administration agreed to fund. I get he's all about dat infrastructure spending, but there's a certain 70-80 million dollar undertaking in my hometown I would love to see get scratched while the city scrambles to come up with money to reverse the damage already caused by breaking ground precipitously. Fucking mugs, man.
This is how pensions end up underfunded. The entity funded the pension assumes, "Oh, we got 7% this year, so we can skip donating this year!", when they need to make it anyways because the 7% this year is going to be canceled out by that 1% return they don't know is coming in a few years when there's a downtown in the stock market.
Would you ever do that with your 401(k)? Well I had a great year this year, so I'll cut back on my contributions next year...
Would I? No. But when I was doing support in a call center, I heard quite a few people discussing cutting down their 401k contributions because of a bad year. And the company I worked for had 100% matching up to 5%, vesting in 5 years. Forget teaching evolution or creationism in schools, I would prefer some basic finance classes.
I hear that.. some of the dumbest things I heard involved 401k investments and people that seemed clueless to the basics of economics, tax laws, or even reality
The lack of economics classes in HS is the number one reason I cite when I criticize government involvement in education. Both myself in HS, and my children in HS (25 years apart and different states), we had one semester each of government and economics. One semester for each. Yet we all had 4 years of reading Shakespeare and Longfellow. Priorities.
You do know that if they teach economics they will teach along the lines of the Keynesian model.
If they did mention any other way of economic thinking in such a class it would only be to dismiss it as crack pot ideas.
Even teaching Keyes would be better than teaching essentially nothing. Maybe then they would at least notice that modern governments don't even follow his ideals.
NYS ERS got 1.1% this year. My first reaction was "How much is my contribution going up?"
I am so glad that the Comptroller is independantly elected and the legislature can't just raid the fund (they'd do it in a heartbeat).
Why not? You owe it to yourselves, after all.
And when it is full of IOU slips, you can claim all is peachy keen, because you have the IOUs!
Right. And when your cookie jar savings is full of IOUs from you to yourself, everyone should be forced to accept my IOUs as if they were real money. Isn't that the progressive way?
Both decisions acknowledge that the funds have earned lower-than-expected returns in recent years.
I'm assuming that's "recent years" in geological terms, and "lower-than-expected" by people who have fewer brain cells than what is technically required to be considered a multi-cellular life form.
The answer to California's problems: secession.
Or something that rhymes with secession.
cessation?
c-section?
Depression?
oppression?
struggle session?
Dammit, you win
+1 Ball of Confusion
Screw Jeff Sessions?
CalPERS [is lowering] the projected annual investment returns for future years ... to 7 percent
And if this turns out to be "off", the projectors lose their pensions, right? RIGHT?!
"We need more funding to make better predictions"
*head explodes*
These dorks won't understand your baseball comparison, however they do understand your stubborn refusal to include alt text.
'Twas a lot of words to say "Nobody can predict the return on a market based investment"
This reminds me of my proggy friend, while voting on a school bond, didn't even know what a bond was. It just meant more money to the schools. I'm sure there reaction to the pension pyramid scheme is just 'more money for teachers' or 'tax the rich' or something like that.
You have to be willfully ignorant to believe that. You must also have no analytical skills whatsoever. It's just easier to caveman say RICH PEOPLE BAD BAD or TEACHERS GOOD
All you need to know about your average voter is that there are municipal pension bonds in existence.
Which is why they didn't give a shit about secured bond holders fucked by Obama in saving GM.
Suppose you're on a 20 mile bike ride around the lake. You average 10 mph for the first half of the trip - how fast do you have to travel for the second half of the trip in order to average 20 mph for the entire trip?
Is this one of those trick questions where the answer is "you get on a boat to cut down the actual distance"?
+1 Rosie Ruiz
Does that include a few casts to likely bass features?
You need to travel at baseball speed
Racist much?
The answer is 5 parsecs from Tuvok's home world. Nobody knows where 7 of 9 really came from. Chakotay has a holodeck battle simulation to keep his aptitudes at a 10.
Depends on what you're averaging over. If it's time, then something a little over 30mph. If it's distance, exactly 30mph.
So this is what common core math is all about
No, for common core math you would also have to figure in how much of that bike trail is full of potholes due to insufficient public funding for the necessary maintenance.
For common core math, all you would have to do is show the thought process for establishing a subsidy for electric bikes to assist those who overestimate, in this case speed, not returns.
I was told their would be no math. Or exercise.
You're going to need an electric bike.
You can't get to ten MPH on an electric bike.
Infinity?
An act of god. Otherwise not possible
With less money from investments, the funds are turning to taxpayers and employees to shore up their finances,"
This just sunk in. "turning to employees". This means that Teachers will have to contribute? Yeah, over dead bodies.
Haha I caught that too, but he had to include all the stages in the process of how the California taxpayer will get royally screwed
Gee whiz, 401Ks take all this guess work out of the equation. An ultra-conservative investors will lose nothing and a real risk taker can really score (or lose) big. But that would presuppose the pensioner take responsibility for his own retirement goals.
I don't remember which of those alternative retirement vehicles I was ineligable for under the tax code because my employer was a government. I have a 470 plan with a mix of conservative and higher yield potential vehicles. I still want an 'ATF Fund' which invests in Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. (They offer a 'Pax Fund' that specifically avoids those companies, I avoided that fund)
Look at VICEX:
I made 40% this year trading shale oil company stocks this year,,,,
Buy low, sell high...
You never go broke making a profit.
Racist.
Just remember, public school teachers never teach their students about Social Security.
Teaching the kids that government runs a pyramid scheme that would land them in jail if they did the same, kind of feels like a bad idea...
It would lessen their time spent on more important things like "diversity and race/gender/class studies". That's not very Proggy of you.
Also: When they use a high discount rate, that only makes it easier for pols and unions to demand more money.
See SB 400 from 1999. (they really DID party like it was 1999)
Given this is a libertarian magazine the author should point out that taxpayers aren't morally obligated to give these teachers pensions. These teachers work for sclerotic government which reponds to incentives in centuries, rather than days like the private sector. I work in silicon valley, home to probably the best employers in the world, and none of them offer pensions. These government workers better get some brains. When all the current politicians over commit to them to shut them up, and this PERS system goes bankrupt, the people who want to pay a lot more taxes to keep the teachers whole is going to be the teachers and about two other people. They are just going to cut the pensions to make it work. They would have been better off with 401k's.
But the point is that since they're governments they don't have to worry about what's morally right, just what they can get away with.
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Why on earth Western governments agreed to give public unions collective bargaining agreement powers I'll never know.
No worries, California is going to secede.
Major infrastructure project; moving the ninth district courthouse to Arizona. (Or for extra giggles, Montana!)
Good, you can tow Jerry the requisite speed along the rest of the trail.
Bond holders.
...holders.
Bond holders tend to die by the end of the second act of the movie.
You see Barry misunderstood, he thought they were bag holders, so he left them holding the bag.