Protests

When the Left Glorifies Violence Against People It Dislikes, Trump Wins

The black bloc's violent tactics could produce a backlash. The Women's March figured out the right way to fight fascism.

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A lot of people experience a sense of visceral joy when someone they hate gets punched in the face. But there's a body of social science research that suggests they won't like the long-term public policy results.

Over inauguration weekend, a member of the black bloc—a group of masked anti-Trump insurrectionaries—punched white nationalist leader Richard Spencer in the face on the streets of Washington, D.C. Elsewhere, black bloc members smashed the windows of a local Starbucks and Bank of America, even though neither company could be properly characterized as pro-Trump. (Starbucks' CEO endorsed Clinton, and Bank of America gave Clinton more money than Trump.) They set a limousine on fire, even though the limousine belonged to a Muslim immigrant.

When it comes to enacting social change, are broken windows and displaced limousine drivers merely the cost of doing business? No. In fact, violent and destructive protesting is less efficient than nonviolent protesting, according to the research.

"Why Civil Resistance Works," a study written by Maria J. Stephan and Erica Chenoweth, found that nonviolent tactics were much more effective than violent tactics. Researchers surveyed anti-governmental resistance movements in the 20th century in a variety of countries: nonviolent means achieved their aims 53 percent of the time, while the violent means worked only 26 percent of the time.

"Whereas governments easily justify violent counterattacks against armed insurgents, regime violence against nonviolent movements is more likely to backfire against the regime," wrote the authors. "Potentially sympathetic publics perceive violent militants as having maximalist or extremist goals beyond accommodation, but they perceive nonviolent resistance groups as less extreme, thereby enhancing their appeal and facilitating the extraction of concessions through bargaining."

Another study, by Princeton University Assistant Professor of Politics Omar Wasow, found that violent extremist movements in the United States in the 1960s and '70s inspired a conservative backlash that helped elect Richard Nixon to the presidency. Nonviolent protests, on the other hand, did not provoke a backlash.

"In the 1960s, black-led protests that escalate to violence cause increased conservatism in white voters who live nearby," Wasow wrote in an email to Reason. "Conversely, I find that proximity to black-led nonviolent protests, particularly those in which the state engages in brutal repression, are associated with increased liberalism among white voters."

The science isn't exactly settled: Wasow said other scholars have found that violent protests occasionally prompt the government to implement favorable social policies as a means of de-escalating the violence.

"If the recent modest amount of protest-related property damage remains an outlying event, I'd expect very little effect," wrote Wasow.

Still, violent tactics—such as those displayed against Spencer—run a risk of provoking a conservative counter-reaction. Historically, authority figures have known this. When President Nixon was informed by an aide that campus violence was expected to increase in the coming year, his response was, "Good!" Nixon understood what too many leftists do not: Violent resistance is often the health of the state.

Consider Natasha Lennard, who writes in The Nation:

You may have seen it, it's a meme now, set to backing tracks of Bruce Springsteen, New Order, even a song from Hamilton. The punch, landed by a masked protester on Inauguration Day, lends itself perfectly to a beat. Spencer, who states that America belongs to white men, was in the midst of telling an Australian TV crew in DC that he was not a neo-Nazi, while pointing to his neo-Nazi Pepe the Frog lapel pin. A black-clad figure then jumps into frame, deus ex machina, with a perfectly placed right hook to Spencer's face. The alt-right poster boy stumbles away, and his anonymous attacker bounds out of sight in an instant. I don't know who threw the punch, but I know by his unofficial uniform that this was a member of our black bloc that day. And anyone enjoying the Nazi-bashing clip (and many are) should know that they're watching anti-fascist bloc tactics par excellence—pure kinetic beauty. If you want to thank Spencer's puncher, thank the black bloc.

Lennard isn't just proud of her group's aggression toward Spencer—she's thrilled about the burning limousine, the broken windows, the property damage, and all the rest:

The black bloc I joined met at Logan Circle, some two miles north of the inauguration parade route. We peered through bandanas to find friends. We gathered in bloc formation behind wood-enforced banners, filled the street, and began to march. The bloc takes care to stay together, move together, and blend together. Within minutes, bottle rockets were shooting skyward and bricks were flying through bank windows. You don't know who does what in a bloc, you don't look to find out. If bodies run out of formation to take a rock to a Starbucks window, they melt back to the bloc in as many seconds. Bodies reconciled, kinetic beauty. If that sounds to you like a precondition for mob violence, you're right. But this is only a problem if you think there are no righteous mobs, or that windows feel pain, or that counter-violence (like punching Richard Spencer) is never valid.

Windows don't feel pain—but the people who work at Starbucks, do. The owner of the limousine—who says insurance won't cover the damages—feels pain. And punching Spencer isn't okay, unless he tried to punch you first. (I suspect Spencer understands that violence usually creates sympathy for the victim rather than the perpetrator, which is why he doesn't ever engage in violence himself.)

Lennard probably wouldn't agree with that. It sounds like she enjoys property destruction for its own sake. If she doesn't buy in to the central conceit of modern society—that everyone is deserving of equal rights and a violence-free existence—fine.

But she also makes another claim: that her brand of resistance is tactically sound. Indeed, she compares the "black bloc" actions taken on Saturday to the Women's March, as if these were equally valid ways of advancing human progress:

To talk with any romance for the black bloc risks falling into the worst tropes of bombastic revolutionary writing. We don't don black masks and become instant revolutionary subjects. We don't necessarily achieve more with property damage than a larger, more subdued rally achieves. In every case, the standard of achievement depends on the aims of the action, and all of us are far from creating the rupture we want to see in the world. One broken window, or a hundred, is not victory. But nor is over half a million people rallying on the National Mall. Both gain potency only if they are perceived as a threat by those in and around power. And neither action will appear threatening unless followed up again and again with unrelenting force, in a multitude of directions. You don't have to choose between pink hat and black mask; each of us can wear both. You don't have to fight neo-Nazis in the street, but you should support those who do.

Emphasis added, because this is wrong, I suspect. Lennard's kind of protesting just isn't a threat to those in power. It's a threat to those who want to undermine the people in power.

Nothing drives people into the arms of someone like Trump quite like property destruction. Nothing undermines public support for a policy when that policy's backers resort to violence. Trump ran on a platform of restoring law and order to society, and he won.

The Women's March, on the other hand, was a great example of a legitimate threat to those in power. Despite some issues regarding participation, the march largely went off without a hitch—a powerful testament to Trump's popularity that completely unnerved him. He was so bothered by this display that he spent his first weekend in office peddling obvious falsehoods about the size of the crowds at his inauguration. He was humiliated, and rightly so.

The Women's March sent a message that Trump is unpopular. The black bloc rioting likely accomplished the exact opposite: undermined public sympathy for Trump resistors.

It certainly seems like the organizers of the Women's March chose the more tactically effective route. Wasow said the march might have the same kind of lasting effect as the Tea Party movement, which accomplished many of its political goals.

"The peaceful and extraordinarily large Women's March will likely send a sympathetic message through the media that Trump's presidency and policies are opposed by many Americans," wrote Wasow.

I won't say violence never works as a means of advancing social progress, but the Women's March is powerful evidence that orderly resistance is the better tactic for the struggles that lie ahead. And recall that during the primaries, when protesters shut down Trump's speeches, this made Republican voters more favorably disposed toward Trump.

If the choice is between punching Richard Spencer—something that would still be morally wrong, even if it produced favorable social results—and peacefully carrying a sign in a march, for goodness' sake, do the latter.

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  1. The Women’s March, on the other hand, was a great example of a legitimate threat pathetic and ineffective gesture to those in power.

    Robby-to-English translation.

    1. Women in Syria are being sold as sex slaves. Women in America run around the National Mall in giant vagina outfits protesting the still theoretical possibility that they might have to pay for their own birth control and abortions. The Women’s march was quite a gesture alright.

      1. Hey. Those pussies grab back!

        Or so I read.

        1. +1 dentata

        2. /emails Banjos to inquire about her relative vaginal tightness after extruding all those kids

            1. Go on…

      2. He was so bothered by this display that he spent his first weekend in office peddling obvious falsehoods about the size of the crowds at his inauguration. He was humiliated, and rightly so.

        See, Robby can read minds, or at least understand emotional sources just like Deanna Troi does.

        My wife has been doing a lot of tongue-biting while dealing with her business and social circle (mostly artists). And trust me, she’s no Trump supporter, but she recognizes petulance and social signalling when she sees it.

        1. Yeah, just how do you know this Robby?

          smh

          1. the Women’s March is powerful evidence that orderly resistance is the better tactic for the struggles that lie ahead.

            Same way he knows this.

      3. John, progtard feminism is so divorced from reality, it may as well exist in another Hubble Volume. I sincerely hope the prog wing of the movement either self-destructs, or finally goes Dworkintard so hard that its disowned ny the larger movement.

        1. Larger movement = big turd

      4. John, that’s just cultural differences. Try to be more tolerant.

  2. You know who else glorified violence against people he disliked…

    1. Practically every human being on earth, at least in their private thoughts?

    2. Melissa Click and Hitler?

    3. God, in the Old Testament?

    4. Obama sure as hell did.

    5. Madonna! And she is like a virgin…

      1. Not for 40 years or so.

    6. Liam Neeson in Taken?

    7. Tonya Harding/Shane Stant

    8. Lucas McCain?

    9. Hillary? (We came, we saw,…..)

  3. You know what the first rule for fighting fascism is? Don’t devalue the term by calling anyone who disagrees with you a fascist. The women’s march didn’t show the right way to fight fascism because it wasn’t fighting fascism. Neither Trump nor the people who voted for him are fascists. Go fuck yourself Robby. You have become a living, breathing example, of everything that is wrong with reason. It is all there with you, the virtue signaling, the lazy or nonexistent thinking, the constant throat clearing and false equivalence, and of course the casual slander of anyone to the right of Nancy Pelosi. You are in your own way worse than Weigal. Weigal was in his own way a bit less dishonest and appalling than you are.

    1. Plus, Weigel’s willing to “engage” the commentariat even style in the guise of Palins Buttplug!

    2. When the fascists come to fight, we will be wearing vagina hats.

      1. Nothing says fascist like saying the Little Sisters of the Poor shouldn’t have to help pay for abortions.

        1. If the LSOTP don’t pay for abortions then the terrorists have won.

        2. Nothing says fascist like saying the Little Sisters of the Poor shouldn’t have to help pay for abortions.

          REAL fascists try to ban abortions entirely.
          And the Little Sisters was about contraception, not abortion.

    3. Neither Trump nor the people who voted for him are fascists

      Says one of the top 25 fascists in the Reason commentariat. All of Hitler’s supporters weren’t fascists either. So we’re on to you mind games.

        1. Wait, are you calling him a bully, or did you just go full Brit?

          1. I think he’s going full Brit. He (or someone) started using that reply yesterday to one of the other leftist trolls.

            1. X does a terrific Teddy Roosevelt impression.

            2. Harumph, harumph, harumph!

            3. Wasn’t me. I only use BULLY when the subject of Michael Hihn comes up, because that’s how he used to respond whenever anyone was the least bit oppositional to his compulsive One True Libertarian-ism.

              1. You’re full of shit. I only use the term in response to actual bullying and aggression.
                As you did here, And I challenge you to prove otherwise. (laughing)

        2. Citizen X
          BULLY! Yes, you are, chump.

          Great minds discuss ideas.
          Average minds discuss events.
          Small Minds discuss people.

          The alt-right libtard SJWs are throwing one of their raging snit fits — because Robby DARED to compare the peaceful march — OF LEFTIES (gasp) —- with violence.

          Thoughtful readers, who refuse to be bullied by liars, will note that Robby merely compared the effectiveness of peaceful vs violent protests. The bastard. (lol)

          Thoughtful readers, cutting through the raging bullshit, will also notice that Political Correctness and Social Justice Warriors exist on both the left and right — as a way of imposing tribal conformity on their puppets,

          (My tone is in self-defense of aggression … by an alt-right, SJW thug. The goobers will now pile on. It’s their DUTY to defend THEIR Social Justice)

          Left – Right = Zero

          1. You decry aggression and name calling and you participate, all the while accusing others of being exactly what you are. If you want to see a narrow minded bully and a thug, Mr. Hihn, take a look in the mirror. You are the worst offender here.

            1. It’s called self-defense, asshole, and you CANNOT prove otherwise, bully

              This too is self-defense, but he’ll be confused again. (lol)

          2. Hihn has the name of 25 Fascist on this Board!!

            It always goes back to McCarthyism with you clowns.

            1. Actually, I humiliated you again.

              I see whole page of tribal bullshit — about “progs” attacking inniocents.
              So, posted PROOF that Ron Paul is both a statist and a bigot …. documented proof .,…
              and the libtards went ape-shit with personal attacks.

              One more time — exactly as tribal as the progs they attack.

              The Bluster of Bellowing Blowhards — all SCREAMING from the same tribal cave.
              (snicker)

      1. Thanks for confirming every negative stereotype about ignorant lefties Hihn.

        1. (laughing)

          Quoting …. John

          JOHN: Neither Trump nor the people who voted for him are fascists

          Says one of the top 25 fascists in the Reason commentariat. All of Hitler’s supporters weren’t fascists either. So we’re on to your mind game

          1. You have the name of 25 fascists. You are tragic comic Hihn. You really are.

            1. Fascists: John, CrustyJuggler, Tonio, John Titor, jubistar, Citizen x, Francisco D’Anconia, ace-m82, Swiss Servator, MarkLastName and all my many stalkers

              For Idle Hands, here AGAIN is why Ron Paul is as big a con man as Charles Ponzi. Google (“Ron Paul” DOMA). Listen to his pathetic bullshit here.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

              Listen as he opposes marriage equality because it would expand government benefits!! He trashes the 14th Amendment, and the entire concept of equal rights.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

              Do his puppets REALLY think he opposes expanding the welfare state! Or do they need an excuse for bigotry?

              “I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, … I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts”

              FUCKING SHAMEFUL.. THE FIRST DENIAL OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION SINCE SLAVERY,

              He also says “rogue judges” overturned DOMA, using the same argument as Orval Faubus, who used his state militia to impose segregation on 9 black kids. He lies about the 10th Amendment, REJECTS the 9th amendment, three co-equal branches, balance of power, thus leaving us DEFENSELESS from government.

              STATES HAVE POWERS WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN DELEGATED (omg)

              Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact.

              (Tone and boldface in self defense of aggression)

              1. Are you claiming Ron Paul is a fascist?

              2. Wait Crusty and Francisco are now right leaning libertarians?

                1. Wait Crusty and Francisco are now right leaning libertarians?

                  Wait you never heard of Mussolini?

              3. Rand Paul loves to fascist all over your face, Hihny.

                1. Rand Paul loves to fascist all over your face, Hihny.

                  Chlildish name-calling vs facts. Only to goobers,

                  here AGAIN is why Ron Paul is as big a con man as Charles Ponzi. Google (“Ron Paul” DOMA). Listen to his pathetic bullshit here.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

                  Listen as he opposes marriage equality because it would expand government benefits!! He trashes the 14th Amendment, and the entire concept of equal rights.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

                  Do his puppets REALLY think he opposes expanding the welfare state! Or do they need an excuse for bigotry?

                  “I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, … I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts”

                  FUCKING SHAMEFUL.. THE FIRST DENIAL OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION SINCE SLAVERY,

                  He also says “rogue judges” overturned DOMA, using the same argument as Orval Faubus, who used his state militia to impose segregation on 9 black kids. He lies about the 10th Amendment, REJECTS the 9th amendment, three co-equal branches, balance of power, thus leaving us DEFENSELESS from government.

                  STATES HAVE POWERS WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN DELEGATED (omg)

                  Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact.

                  (Tone and boldface in self defense of aggression)

                  1. Hey real question here for Mr. Hihn — let me preface by saying I’ve seen the back and forth fights often but do think you have laid reasonable claims in past and present; though the in-fighting makes it all rather meh at times, I digress.

                    You just cut Rand Paul down and left him in pool of his own blood — who is ‘the guy’ for you that you’d raise up in his place?

                    1. ^I honestly thought this would get a considerate response.

                    2. Gary Joshnson is the closest. He knows Ron Paul is no libertarian, but he got suckered into running a campaign based on the libertarian establsihment — NO POLICY SOLUTIONS AT ALL.
                      Nothing on jobs and the economy
                      Nothing on taxes
                      Nothing on healthcare
                      Nothing on ANY governance changes,

                      He COULD habe used Cato’s Medicare Vouchers — which increase competition in the WRONG MARKET!!!! Add insurance companies as a useless and costly middleman between the gimmunit and the REAL market,

                      Or Cato’s Social Security “privatization” which Michael Tanner says has heavy transition costs, but a one-time event — a one-time event that last over 30 years, with costs declining from $450 BILLION per year,m but … IT’S CONGRESS’S JOB — NOT HIS — TO PAY FOR IT !!

                      Or Nick Gillespie’s bullshit that massive spending cuts after WWII “stimulated the Postwar boom.” (lol)

                      Is it Tribal to deny libertarian tribalism?

              4. Fascism is an economic system that only Tony, amsoc. and a few others have shown any support for on HnR. WTF are you talking about Hihnd?

                1. WTF are you talking about Hihn?

                  Which part confuses you?

              5. The same video posted twice showing Ron Paul detailing the ethical position that government has no role in marriage or welfare, while also pointing out the cascading conflicts that government rights violations create in and between these two policy arenas. What shameful lesson was a libertarian supposed to have recieved from Hihn?

                1. What shameful lesson was a libertarian supposed to have recieved from Hihn?

                  Well, chump …. unless and until the government is NOT involved, then the Constitution forbids his LAME excuse.

                  Why do you DEFEND denying homosexuals ANY defense of their constitutional rights? The first such denial since slavery?
                  And why can’t you handle simple English statements?

              6. Fascists: John, CrustyJuggler, Tonio, John Titor, jubistar, Citizen x, Francisco D’Anconia, ace-m82, Swiss Servator, MarkLastName and all my many stalkers

                One could say you’re “in the sticks”.

            2. He has a list.

              1. Actually, I humiliated you again.

                I see whole page of tribal bullshit — about “progs” attacking innocents.
                So, posted PROOF that Ron Paul is both a statist and a bigot …. documented proof .,…
                and the libtards went ape-shit with personal attacks … and aggression.

                One more time — exactly as tribal as the progs they attack.

                The Bluster of Bellowing Blowhards — all SCREAMING from the same tribal cave.
                (snicker)

        1. Ron Paul 24 times.

          1. Zhihng!!!

        2. John, CrustyJuggler, Tonio, John Titor, jubistar, Citizen x, Francisco D’Anconia, ace-m82, Swiss Servator, MarkLastName and all my many stalkers

          For Idle Hands, here AGAIN is why Ron Paul is as big a con man as Charles Ponzi. Google (“Ron Paul” DOMA). Listen to his pathetic bullshit here.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

          Listen as he opposes marriage equality because it would expand government benefits!! He trashes the 14th Amendment, and the entire concept of equal rights.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

          Do his puppets REALLY think he opposes expanding the welfare state! Or do they need an excuse for bigotry?

          “I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, … I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts”

          FUCKING SHAMEFUL.. THE FIRST DENIAL OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION SINCE SLAVERY,

          He also says “rogue judges” overturned DOMA, using the same argument as Orval Faubus, who used his state militia to impose segregation on 9 black kids. He lies about the 10th Amendment, REJECTS the 9th amendment, three co-equal branches, balance of power, thus leaving us DEFENSELESS from government.

          STATES HAVE POWERS WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN DELEGATED (omg)

          Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact.

          (Tone and boldface in self defense of aggression)

          1. Its cute he thinks he is important enough to be stalked. Shorter Hihn, please pay attention to me!!

            1. Its cute he thinks he is important enough to be stalked

              You just did it again!

          2. So, basically, anyone who doesn’t take you seriously is a fascist? That’s rather convenient for you.

          3. How do I make this list?

            1. The guy has thinner skin than Trump and apparently lives in a state of permanent triggeredness. Just address him basically and you’re in.

              1. My prediction:

                Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact.

                18 and counting. So far.

            2. 26

              Sorry.

              Personally I’ll settle for “also receiving votes.”

            3. “How do I make this list?”

              More insults of Herr Hihnd.

          4. YEAH, MADE THE LIST!

            I’d like to thank the academy, my mom, my high school geography teacher, Jesus and the Buddha, my autographed picture of Hitler, and the bizarre electrical and chemical soup that is Hihn’s decaying, broken mind.

            1. Forgot to tip your Reazun hostess.

              1. Actually, I humiliated you again.

                I see whole page of tribal bullshit — about “progs” attacking innocents.
                So, posted PROOF that Ron Paul is both a statist and a bigot …. documented proof .,…
                and the libtards went ape-shit with TOTALLY personal attacks … aggression …. and childish name-calling.

                One more time — exactly as tribal as the progs they attack.
                New ones come in … to circle the innocent victim and join in the kicking

                The Bluster of Bellowing Blowhards — all SCREAMING from the same tribal cave.
                (snicker)

      2. OK, Hihn, let’s have that list. Rank-ordered, of course.

        1. I’m going to be very disappointed if I don’t make the list. I try so hard.

          1. *goose steps around room, yelling in German*

            DID I MAKE IT?!?!?!?!

            1. You failed when you didn’t write, “Habe ich es gemacht?”

            2. Fail. No beer, no brauts.

              1. Why do they DEFEND the OPPRESSION of homosexuals … as promoted by Ron Paul?
                The first such denial of constitutional protection since …. SLAVERY?

                “I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, … I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts”

                Pure. unadulterated fascism. In his own words.
                http://www.rawstory.com/2011/0…..riage-act/

                How many others have KNOWINGLY and INTENTIONALLY supported this blatant abuse of government force on this very page? … brag about being fascists … but whine like babies when called out on it?

                Belligerent blowhards and bullies of the confessed alt-right fascism.

        2. Goddammit Tonio, how’d you end up higher on the fascist list than I did, you degenerate Rohmite? I guess I’ll need to torch more Jewish businesses and practice my goose-step for next year.

          1. Actually, I humiliated you again.

            I see whole page of tribal bullshit — about “progs” attacking innocents.
            So, posted PROOF that Ron Paul is both a statist and a bigot …. documented proof .,…
            and the libtards went ape-shit with TOTALLY personal attacks … aggression …. and childish name-calling.

            One more time — exactly as tribal as the progs they attack.
            New ones come in … to circle the innocent victim and join in the kicking

            The Bluster of Bellowing Blowhards — all SCREAMING from the same tribal cave.
            (snicker)

      3. But what does John Galt II think about this?

      4. Hey, give the doddering old fool credit – for once he got in on the comments in a timely fashion rather than strafing them three hours after everyone else had stopped.

        1. Great minds discuss ideas.

          Average minds discuss events.

          Small Minds discuss people.

          1. Why are you such a nutbar Hihn? Let’s say Ron Paul is secretly some neo-supremacist evil guy.

            Can you deny that he was the only guy in congress for 40 years who was consistently against the growth of government and had the courage to remain true to his platform the whole time?

            1. Can you deny that he was the only guy in congress for 40 years who was consistently against the growth of government and had the courage to remain true to his platform the whole time?

              You just denied that platform!

              As I predicted!!!!

              I EVEN LINKED YOU TO THE PROOF!!!

              1. NEEDZ MOAR EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!

                1. NEEDZ MOAR EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!

                  I didn’t need them to make a public ass out of him …. only to make sire my self-defense was seen

                  I needed none at all to ridicule your pointless comment here,

              2. You didn’t answer my question.

                And why are you so unhinged? You sound like you are having a “Being John Malkovich” moment with Ashley Judd.

                1. You didn’t answer my question.

                  It sailed over your head? I had documented Ron Paul’s “platform” as blatantly unconstitutional. I even linked you to the proof … in his own words.

                  Then you asked if he had followed that …. unconstitutional — platform for 40 years.
                  So I ridiculed you … for acting as I had predicted from the goobers here.

                  STILL confused?

          2. You’re the one with the list of fascists right?

            1. In defense of assault, asswipe.

                1. Actually, I humiliated you again.

                  I see whole page of tribal bullshit — about “progs” attacking innocents.
                  So, posted PROOF that Ron Paul is both a statist and a bigot …. documented proof .,…
                  and the libtards went ape-shit with TOTALLY personal attacks … aggression …. and childish name-calling.

                  One more time — exactly as tribal as the progs they attack.
                  New ones come in … to circle the innocent victim and join in the kicking

                  The Bluster of Bellowing Blowhards — all SCREAMING from the same tribal cave.
                  (snicker)

      5. top 25 fascists in the Reason commentariat.

        With due consideration of handle hoppers, that means the majority of you are supporting this fascist rag. I of course remain immune, a lone witness to the last days of man, and it’s fall into oblivion.

        It’s a burden, trust me.

        1. Another one screaming FASCIST like a mindless progtard.
          (And if 25 is a majority of the commentariat, he also lackl the countring skills of a 6-year-old.)

          It’s a burden, trust me.

          I trust you. If counting is a burden for you ….

      6. Says one of the top 25 fascists in the Reason commentariat.

        Why am I not surprised that Hihn is keeping a list, just like Honecker did.

        1. Why am I not surprised that Hihn is keeping a list, just like Honecker did.(laughing) It was a response to a question. Why am I not suprised that you, like a prog, blames the victims.

          Actually, I humiliated you again.

          I see whole page of tribal bullshit — about “progs” attacking innocents.
          So, posted PROOF that Ron Paul is both a statist and a bigot …. documented proof .,…
          and the Paultards went ape-shit with TOTALLY personal attacks … aggression …. and childish name-calling.

          One more time — exactly as tribal as the progs they attack.
          New ones even come in … to circle the innocent victim and join in the mass kicking

          The Bluster of Bellowing Blowhards — all SCREAMING from the same tribal cave.
          (snicker)

          Posted in self-defense. Again. (snort)

      7. I jerk off to Mein Kampf. Where do I rank?

        1. With your fellow faggots.

          Not that there’s anything wrong with your uncontrollable homosexuality

      8. FASCISM defined: government control of private means of production. Hitler was a fascist because le left ownership in the hands of they who owned facilities but then COMMANDED what they would build, how, and for how much. Hitler and Dr. Ferry Porsche
        Linin, Stalin, etc were SOCIALISTS (defined: government ownership of means of production.) Government seized assets of production then ran them their way. Castro and C & H Sugar in Cuba.

        Trump is certainly not a fascist, nor a socialist. These dimwit pink hatted twits (you may substitute for the vowell of choice at will) mean to control the means of production…. make things “fair” again, however THEY define it.

        1. They’re both socialists. Pay attention.

          Within socialism,
          a) Fascism has private property and government control
          b) Communism has communal property and government control.

          Socialism means “society” controls everything, through government.
          It’s no surprise that supporters of fascism would lie about that.
          Or the ignoramuses of Ron Paul’s cult (where low IQ is a requirement)

          Trump is certainly not a fascist

          Umm, protectionism is fascism — using state power to force WHERE products are manufactured. I’m not saying you’re a liar on THAT — merely ignorant.

          these dimwit pink hatted twits

          What color is your hat? (lol)

          Trump supporters are known to be among the lesser educated in America. Fortunately for our republic, they’re rather dumb and continue making fools of themselves .,.. encouraged by the cheers of fellow goobers,

    4. I think he was primarily directing it at Spencer…who isn’t a fascist either (as Gilmore put it, he has his own, unique brand of racism!).

      1. Spencer’s racism is the albino version of BLM’s racism.

    5. Robby’s young. I think he will toughen up. I’d like to see him off the college beat.

  4. Completely wrong. The ‘black-block’ is not anti-Trump they are pro-anarchy. They are basically an arm of the FBI/CIA and work with them to propagate government control. Remember, the intellligence agencies have a long history of infiltrating social movements to undermine them by instigating violence. E.g. Act-Up members in the 80’s report that certain newcomers would suggest a violent response – they were ridiculed of course. But then you have the CIA staging 9/11. The goal is to discredit principled resistance, as the anarcho-Frankentrumpkensteins will now demonstrate:

    1. Yeah, it is all a false flag. I mean the left has no history of engaging in terrorism and political street violence. None at all. How could the CIA think they could sell such a preposterous thing to the public?

      1. “The lefties you put here with us!”

        (And I’m not a leftie you idiot.)

        1. That doesn’t even respond to the point. Can you at least try and be somewhat coherent?

      2. Don’t respond to it, John. It’s not within shouting distance of reality.

        1. Says two psychos who were made asses of by failing to recognize blatant satire.
          Like John lying about his false labeling of a lefty .. when a 6-year-old child can spot his bullshit in a millisecond. SATIRE. Sparky.

            1. CHARGE!!!!

              (if Citizen X can do it, so can I)

              1. +1 more malaria victim to bury in the basement.

            2. BULLY!….

              ..droppings

              1. Predicted:

                Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact

                Achieved! (Dumbass bullies)

          1. No, Mr. Hihn. AddictionMyth isn’t satire, it’s a griefer. It makes pointless noises in order to get people to respond to it, nothing more.

            1. It’s satire.

              makes pointless noises in order to get people to respond to it, nothing more.He got you!

            2. ‘It makes pointless noises in order to get people to respond to it, nothing more.’
              Well that’s Hihn in a nutshell.

              1. Actually, I humiliated you again.

                I see whole page of tribal bullshit — about “progs” attacking innocents.
                So, posted PROOF that Ron Paul is both a statist and a bigot …. documented proof .,…
                and the libtards went ape-shit with TOTALLY personal attacks … aggression …. and childish name-calling.

                One more time — exactly as tribal as the progs they attack.
                New ones come in … to circle the innocent victim and join in the kicking

                The Bluster of Bellowing Blowhards — all SCREAMING from the same tribal cave.
                (snicker)

                Posted in self-defense of yet another potty mouth 12-year-old.
                Are their parents proud of how they turned out?

          2. I see the kids stopped passing by the home again. Don’t worry hihn they will come back. They still love you.

            1. I see you avoided any substance for childish name-calling again … as I predicted!
              Keep bellowing.

    2. Holy shit! Are you lefties wearing tin foil berets now?

      All those years trying to dismiss folks on the right with jabs about tin foil hats, and then….

    3. This would be a lot funnier if segments of the Progressive Left didn’t swallow it hook, line, sinker, rod, and waders. I’m not as knowledgeable about the pre-WWII Left, but since the mid-1960’s the Progressive Left has frequently mistaken rioting for the right to “peaceably assembly” and have been shocked – SHOCKED! – when anybody met violence with violence.

      They carefully omit from their tear-filled accounts of Kent State that the “Protesters” had done more than a million dollars (1970’s dollars, mind) damage to the town, amd set fire to the ROTC building. They went to the 1968 Convention in Chicago planning to provoke the Chicago police, and I have heard at least one story that claims that they were told they were out of their tiny minds by Black activists they invited to join in the “fun”. Supposedly that warning went something like “Man, Chicago has cops they keep in cages between riots. They are going to beat the motherf*cking sh*t out of you, and WE are going to be very visibly on the other side of the PLANET when it happens.”

      1. About $6 million today.

      2. you forgot to mention that the Kent State kiddies were armed.. and that some shots had been fired by then toward LE. Minor detail often left out of the narrative. Can’t remember the source, but when I read of this I found it credible.

        1. and that some shots had been fired by then toward LE. Minor detail often left out of the narrative. Can’t remember the source, but when I read of this I found it credible.

          You found it credible because you’re a tribal goober. If you read mass rapes, you’d swallow that tool

          There were no shots. The armory had been dynamited earlier, which is why Governor Rhodes sent National Guardsmen to the campus, who shot to death four students.

          What the fuck is LE?

      3. They carefully omit from their tear-filled accounts of Kent State that the “Protesters” had done more than a million dollars (1970’s dollars, mind) damage to the town, amd set fire to the ROTC building

        You’re full of shit all around, but the goobers swallow anything, breathlessly.
        Very little damage to the town, because they were antiwar.

        The ROTC building was was DYNAMITED, not burned. It was a two-story concrete block building — reduced to the height of people standing next to it in the photos — which cannot be done with mere fire.
        I knew the building well, because ROTC was required when I attended Kent State.

        If you think the “Progressive Left” has anything to do with the antiwar movement, you’re just another goober.
        The REAL issue was actually worse than you’re bleating. Students were shot to death by Guardsmen. The question was why were they there and armed. It was because of the building being dynamited.

        How doers that compare to the Christo-facsists who want to apply government force all across America? You’ll ignore or defend THAT, correct?

    4. they are pro-anarchy. They are basically an arm of the FBI/CIA and work with them to propagate government control

      That makes no sense. “Pro-anarchy” means “favoring an absence of government control/authority”.

  5. “In the 1960s, black-led protests that escalate to violence cause increased conservatism in white voters who live nearby,” Wasow wrote in an email to Reason. “Conversely, I find that proximity to black-led nonviolent protests, particularly those in which the state engages in brutal repression, are associated with increased liberalism among white voters.”

    Wait, so the violent protests led to a shrinking of government, a return to fiscal responsibility and increased rights for people to defend themselves while the non-violent ones led to a larger state apparatus, runaway deficits and diminished second amendment rights? Or does this guy just not understand meanings of words?

    1. Robby of course doesn’t know much, it is kind of his move. If he did know anything, he would know that Johnson used the threat of race riots as a way of selling the Great Society to the white community. It has been put down the memory hole, but a lot of the case Johnson and the Democrats made for the Great Society was “if we don’t pass this and do something the Negros will riot and burn down the country”. The left has always used the threat of rioting and civil disorder as a way to try and extort money and power out of the voters.

      1. They dusted off that playbook to keep Milo Yiannapoulis (probably spelled wrong, but whatever) from speaking on college campuses.

        “If you let that dangerous bigot speak to a roomful of people sitting in chairs, we will be outside tearing shit up and waiting on them to leave with baseball bats in our hands.”

        1. You can refer to him as just Milo and we’ll know who you mean.

          1. Could be Milo Bloom…

      2. What kind of TOTAL dumbfuck confuses “The Great Society” with Civil Rights legislation .,.. because they happened in the same time frame?

        Oh it’s John, drooling again about his leftwing conspiracy theories . Never mind.

        (For the many other goobers here, “The War on Poverty” was those hated welfare programs, not those hated civil rights laws … that saw Eisenhower send federal troops to Little Rock Arkansas, an action detested by Ron Paul and his ilk of States-Rights-Pretending–To-Be-Federalism stooges.)

        1. I always enjoy the sound of Hihn’s cerebral arteries cracking from the plaque buildup. It’s like putting a shell up to your ear and hearing the ocean.

          1. …if the ocean sounded like this: “BULLY!

          2. What kind of TOTAL dumbfuck confuses “The Great Society” with Civil Rights legislation .,.. because they happened in the same time frame?

            More cowardly evasion.

            1. You just quoted yourself and then called it cowardly evasion. At least, that’s how comment structure normally works. But you can’t think straight, so I guess it’s par for the course.

              1. Behold another dumbass!

                You just quoted yourself and then called it cowardly evasion

                (laughing hysterically) THAT’S WHAT HE EVADED!

                but you can’t think straight, so I guess it’s par for the course.

                (Hihn pees pants from laughing at the public jackass)

                Posted in self-defense from yet another 12-year-old goober.

          3. What kind of TOTAL dumbfuck confuses “The Great Society” with Civil Rights legislation .,.. because they happened in the same time frame?

            Add (((Renegade))) to the list,
            Humiliated by facts, resorts to childish name-calling.
            And bullying

            1. BULLY!

              1. And now I feel vindicated. I’ll celebrate by listening to those Hihnbrain arteries cracking, it’s a very relaxing sound.

              2. Am I picking on the handicapped?

                Add (((Renegade))) to the list,
                Humiliated by facts, resorts to childish name-calling.
                And bullying

                BULLY

                STILL EVADES THE ISSUE THAT HUMILIATED HIM!!!

                And now I feel vindicated. I’ll celebrate by listening to those Hihnbrain arteries cracking, it’s a very relaxing sound.

                publicly humiliated by the facts,three times, he continues whining like a 12-year-old!

                So … is he a playground bully … or a sniveling coward?
                If he is handicapped then I regret ridiculing a retard.

                AGAIN posted in self-defense from serial aggression.

        2. Still waiting for that list, Mikey.

          1. John, CrustyJuggler, Tonio, John Titor, jubistar, Citizen x, Francisco D’Anconia, ace-m82, Swiss Servator, MarkLastName and all my many stalkers

            For Idle Hands, here AGAIN is why Ron Paul is as big a con man as Charles Ponzi. Google (“Ron Paul” DOMA). Listen to his pathetic bullshit here.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

            Listen as he opposes marriage equality because it would expand government benefits!! He trashes the 14th Amendment, and the entire concept of equal rights.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

            Do his puppets REALLY think he opposes expanding the welfare state! Or do they need an excuse for bigotry?

            “I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, … I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts”

            FUCKING SHAMEFUL.. THE FIRST DENIAL OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION SINCE SLAVERY,

            He also says “rogue judges” overturned DOMA, using the same argument as Orval Faubus, who used his state militia to impose segregation on 9 black kids. He lies about the 10th Amendment, REJECTS the 9th amendment, three co-equal branches, balance of power, thus leaving us DEFENSELESS from government.

            STATES HAVE POWERS WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN DELEGATED (omg)

            Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact.

            (Tone and boldface in self defense of aggression)

            1. That’s only ten! And you’ve disappointed so many… Sad!

            2. Congratulation to all who made the list. There should be an award ceremony, ‘The Hihns’.
              With Tee Vee and speeches and stuff.

              1. Hihn is nothing if not bold.

        3. How many sock puppets do you have. It seems weird that you now appear after months. You have so much to spew.

          1. Why do you stand with Ron Paul, Orval Faubus and the KKK?
            Why are these mere spew on your planet
            1) Judicial Review?,
            2) balance of power?
            3) separation of powers?
            4) equal and unalienable rights?
            5) 9th Amendment?
            6) 14th Amendment?
            7) THREE co-equal branches of government?

            What can you cite for your conviction that states can have powers which have never been delegated?
            Why are you people so TOTALLY ignorant of America’s founding principles? And proud of your ignorance?

        4. FYI

          The Great Society was a set of domestic programs in the United States launched by Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964?65. The main goal was the elimination of poverty and racial injustice.

          1. Why would “Rational” (sic) Exuberance LIE THROUGH HIS TEETH about the Wikipedia he quoted? (I know why he lied, do you?)

            This is the very next paragraph:

            New major spending programs that addressed education, medical care, urban problems, rural poverty, and transportation were launched during this period. The program and its initiatives were subsequently promoted by him and fellow Democrats in Congress in the 1960s and years following. The Great Society in scope and sweep resembled the New Deal domestic agenda of Franklin D. Roosevelt.

            OOPS!

            One more time for our bellowing blowhards. The Great Society was SPENDING programs said to offset prior racial injustice.

            Civil Rights legislation dealt with … umm…. RIGHTS …. legal stuff. …. especially the shamelessly bigotry of Ron Paul — as TOTALLY documented here — in his own words.

            Why do you stand with Ron Paul, Orval Faubus and the KKK?
            1) Judicial Review?,
            2) balance of power?
            3) separation of powers?
            4) equal and unalienable rights?
            5) 9th Amendment?
            6) 14th Amendment?
            7) THREE co-equal branches of government?

            This too is posted in self defense. He will; now stalk me for months, in rage, because I called out his rather blatant bullshit. (He’s WAY out of his league — but in the blowhard tribe, which is why he posted so shameful a lie)

    2. Yeah, the 60s were an age of rampant conservatism. The delusional are still with us.
      The craziest say that Johnson used the threat of black riots to pass civil rights legislation — legislation which the bigots and Paulista Cult STILL angrily oppose.

        1. John, CrustyJuggler, Tonio, John Titor, jubistar, Citizen x, Francisco D’Anconia, ace-m82, Swiss Servator, MarkLastName and all my many stalkers

          For Idle Hands, here AGAIN is why Ron Paul is as big a con man as Charles Ponzi. Google (“Ron Paul” DOMA). Listen to his pathetic bullshit here.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

          Listen as he opposes marriage equality because it would expand government benefits!! He trashes the 14th Amendment, and the entire concept of equal rights.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

          Do his puppets REALLY think he opposes expanding the welfare state! Or do they need an excuse for bigotry?

          “I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, … I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts”

          FUCKING SHAMEFUL.. THE FIRST DENIAL OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION SINCE SLAVERY,

          He also says “rogue judges” overturned DOMA, using the same argument as Orval Faubus, who used his state militia to impose segregation on 9 black kids. He lies about the 10th Amendment, REJECTS the 9th amendment, three co-equal branches, balance of power, thus leaving us DEFENSELESS from government.

          STATES HAVE POWERS WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN DELEGATED (omg)

          Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact.

          (Tone and boldface in self defense of aggression)

          1. and you havent been banned for spamming? Or do we not ban spammers here?

            1. (lol) Documented proof is spam to a goober — if it challenges their lack of intelligence,
              And if their assaults cause them to be publicly humiliated like here:

              https://reason.com/blog/2017/01…..nt_6713447

              Then they become vengeful stalkers, as he does here.
              PUNISH THE INFIDELS WHO ARE NOT PC SJWs like they are!!

    3. larger state apparatus, runaway deficits and diminished second amendment rights

      That’s an odd definition of liberalism.

      Nobody understands the meaning of liberal or conservative anymore because the meanings keep changing.

      1. I used the contemporary meanings as the author was apparently doing the same thing. I wanted to stay in the same page he was.

        1. Staying on the same planet would be an achievement.

          1. taying on the same planet would be an achievement

            So you guys even piss and moan about …. proper word usage!
            Must be in Trump’s cult.

  6. The Women’s March figured out the right way to fight fascism.

    Yep. Pussy hats. Fascists are scared shitless of those. Hahahahaha…

    You slay me, Robbo.

    Kudos to them for having a peaceful protest, but it should be noted that their protest probably would not have been so peaceful had it not been immediately preceded by another protest during which violence occurred and many of the violence-prone leftists arrested.

    1. You’d think after writing the whole “wow, I live in my own little bubble” article he might try to re-evaluate his bias.

      But no, it’s the children who must be wrong.

      1. Why would Titor support so blatant a lie by Tonio?
        For the same reason they both made my list!!

        And here’s MORE proof (for any who may still need it)

        https://reason.com/blog/2017/01…..nt_6712748

        (snort)

    2. but it should be noted that their protest probably would not have been so peaceful had it not been immediately preceded by another protest during which violence occurred and many of the violence-prone leftists arrested

      Nothing beats alt-right conspiracy theories — in tandem with Trump’s own psychopathic denials.

      1. Your kids hasn’t forgotten about you hihn. You can calm down.

        1. John, CrustyJuggler, Tonio, John Titor, jubistar, Citizen x, Francisco D’Anconia, ace-m82, Swiss Servator, MarkLastName and all my many stalkers

          For Idle Hands, here AGAIN is why Ron Paul is as big a con man as Charles Ponzi. Google (“Ron Paul” DOMA). Listen to his pathetic bullshit here.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

          Listen as he opposes marriage equality because it would expand government benefits!! He trashes the 14th Amendment, and the entire concept of equal rights.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

          Do his puppets REALLY think he opposes expanding the welfare state! Or do they need an excuse for bigotry?

          “I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, … I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts”

          FUCKING SHAMEFUL.. THE FIRST DENIAL OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION SINCE SLAVERY,

          He also says “rogue judges” overturned DOMA, using the same argument as Orval Faubus, who used his state militia to impose segregation on 9 black kids. He lies about the 10th Amendment, REJECTS the 9th amendment, three co-equal branches, balance of power, thus leaving us DEFENSELESS from government.

          STATES HAVE POWERS WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN DELEGATED (omg)

          Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact.

          (Tone and boldface in self defense of aggression)

          1. Boldface? Is that like blackface, sounds raycist.

            1. Why do you stand with Ron Paul, Orval Faubus and the KKK?
              Why are these mere spew on your planet
              1) Judicial Review?,
              2) balance of power?
              3) separation of powers?
              4) equal and unalienable rights?
              5) 9th Amendment?
              6) 14th Amendment?
              7) THREE co-equal branches of government?

              What can you cite for your conviction that states can have powers which have never been delegated?
              Why are you people so TOTALLY ignorant of America’s founding principles? And proud of your ignorance?

    3. Yup. Many times more were arrested in a couple hours in the DC riots than in weeks of Ferguson and Baltimore put together , and there was many times more property damage done in those two cities during their takeovers by senseless thugs. THAT sent a rather clear message to anyone else contemplating such misbahaviour.

      As to the tactic described, with high praise, by the female representative of the female saunter, she describes how, marching in a bloc, the individuals are immune to consequences because “no one can identify” the one with the rock or cocktail. Well, next time those clowns try similar tactics, any bets the keepers of the peace will simply surround the entire bloc, subdue them somehow (teargas, water cannon,. sound guns), found them all up, and frogmarch them to the nearest FEMA camp for processing. Charge them all with conspiracy, even making war on a state, or the states. Unless individuals rise to rat out individuals who did do the hands on work, lay the blame and consequences on the lot of them. NO ONE was forced to remain in the bloc once the destruction commenced…..

    4. Is Tonio on my list? HE’S EVEN WORSE! (laughing)

      The Women’s March figured out the right way to fight fascism.

      Yep. Pussy hats. Fascists are scared shitless of those. Hahahahaha…
      You slay me, Robbo

      Because you’re a totally shameless liar?.Hahahahahaha ….
      You slay me, Tono.

      Robby never said that. And despite the false claims of your fellow psychopaths … the words “facsist’ and “fascism” appear NOWHERE in Robby;’s piece … ONLY in your slanderous lies.

      One more time: Tribal Libtards are just as phony as Tribal Progtards.
      NOT the majority of either libertarians or progressives (which will also enrage the goobers!)
      Only the tribal bobbleheads.

      Here’s what Ronny actually said: “The Women’s March, on the other hand, was a great example of a legitimate threat to those in power”

      But he spoke favorably of liberals … for which the Trump/Paul SJWs were obliged to PUNISH. All over this page.
      (vomit)

  7. If the choice is between punching Richard Spencer?something that would still be morally wrong, even if it produced favorable social results?and peacefully carrying a sign in a march, for goodness’ sake, do the latter.

    For goodness’ sake!

  8. So Robby X is only against violence in the pursuit of “social progress” because it is counterproductive at this time.

    Anyone old enough to remember when reason was about libertarianism?

    1. [raises hand]

      1. Careful, if you don’t keep both hands on your zimmer frame you’ll all over.

    2. So Robby X is only against violence in the pursuit of “social progress” because it is counterproductive at this time. Anyone old enough to remember when reason was about libertarianism?

      Anyone old enough to remember when Reason readers weren’t psychotic liars?
      (Hint- before Ron Paul’s cult veered alt-right)

      1. You seem psychotic mr. hihn.

        1. John, CrustyJuggler, Tonio, John Titor, jubistar, Citizen x, Francisco D’Anconia, ace-m82, Swiss Servator, MarkLastName and all my many stalkers

          For Idle Hands, here AGAIN is why Ron Paul is as big a con man as Charles Ponzi. Google (“Ron Paul” DOMA). Listen to his pathetic bullshit here.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

          Listen as he opposes marriage equality because it would expand government benefits!! He trashes the 14th Amendment, and the entire concept of equal rights.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

          Do his puppets REALLY think he opposes expanding the welfare state! Or do they need an excuse for bigotry?

          “I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, … I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts”

          FUCKING SHAMEFUL.. THE FIRST DENIAL OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION SINCE SLAVERY,

          He also says “rogue judges” overturned DOMA, using the same argument as Orval Faubus, who used his state militia to impose segregation on 9 black kids. He lies about the 10th Amendment, REJECTS the 9th amendment, three co-equal branches, balance of power, thus leaving us DEFENSELESS from government.

          STATES HAVE POWERS WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN DELEGATED (omg)

          Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact.

          (Tone and boldface in self defense of aggression)

    3. Well, as ENB helpfully instructed us, the goals of social justice are noble.

      1. Omelets, eggs, stove.

        Social justice, citizens, ovens.

  9. Hey now, violence is a core part of my religion.

    BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

    1. [decapitates John Titor with a chainsword]

      1. FOOL, KHORNE’S SKULL PILE ONLY GROWS STRONGER AS A RESULT.

      2. And now if he rolls double sixes he’s going to turn into a daemon prince.

  10. Trump wins because he’s a winner and winning is what winners do. Also because the left has become an incoherent hodgepodge of imagined grievances mixed with close minded groupthink.

    1. The story about the “Transgendered community” being butt hurt over the women’s march because it implied that you have to have a vagina to be a woman perfectly summed up the madness that the left has descended into. Trump won and will probably win again in 2020 because he is extraordinarily lucky in his enemies.

      1. Shirley, there must be *transgendered* hats as well.

        1. + very long clitoris. And don’t call me Shirley.

          1. 5-6 inches kind of long, ammirite?

        2. Yeah, but The Riddler has a trademark on them.

      2. But everybody has a butt hole. Can’t we all just get along?

    2. ^This.

      Angela Peoples’ “White Women Voted for Trump” sign went viral and was endlessly reposted by white liberals as an example of meaningful discourse while simultaneously mocking the white women marchers whose only crime was being white women and not paying enough attention to Peoples.

      And that clueless woman with the “I fear a pervy white guy more than I fear ISIS” sign. And I hope she is right that she does not have to personally fear ISIS unless she makes a foolish travel decision. But as noted by others the worst thing she has to fear from the domestic policy proposals is that she might have to pay for her own birth control, and perhaps have her abortion window restricted a bit (but not closed or practically closed).

    3. As for Trump being a winner, the left had about as much to do with that as the Tea Party; Mow Donna symbolizes with her carpet f bombing and typical dismissal of anyone outside her silo as more or less deplorable. And they just keep doing it because of course they are right, and when you are right you must just keep trying and never give up because right will prevail…

      As for “the left has become an incoherent hodgepodge of imagined grievances mixed with close minded groupthink” that is my take away for the day, thank you. Sums them up about as perfectly as anything I have heard.

  11. “The Women’s March figured out the right way to fight fascism”

    Call me old fashioned, but I always thought a ‘fascist’ (most over used word ever) was someone who used violence to silence opponents and disrupt a democratic election. By that definition then the women’s march was fighting against the radicals who rioted on the day of the inauguration?

    I’m sorry, but I don’t see how a democratically elected president and his supporters, assembled peacefully, can ever be described as ‘fascist’ (no matter how ‘mean’ and vulgar is that president).

    1. Having been democratically-elected does not exclude one from ever being called a fascist. But other than that you are completely right about the term “fascist” being over-used to the point of meaninglessness.

      1. Don’t forget that Trump’s election campaign and inauguration was closely associated with violence, thus making him a fascist.

        /sarc

      2. Society is thesis
        Leftist revolution is antithesis
        Fascism is synthesis. It’s a reaction to the threat leftism poses to order, which adopts those same tactics both out of respect for their effectiveness, and out of a desire for revenge.

        Of course, in practice, it is as dangerous to society as leftism, because it isn’t just the ends but the means that are a threat. Something something gaze into the abyss something something.

    2. “disrupt a democratic election”

      But it’s not a democratic election. It is a rigged election, according to the president. Left wing violence against rigged elections is fine, not fascistic.

    3. fascist’ (most over used word ever) was someone who used violence to silence opponents and disrupt a democratic election

      You think Hitler’s Germany was an election protest?
      And look who all shares your ignorance!

    4. Where marxism/socialism tries to go so far right they end up on the left hanging out with anarachists (classless, stateless society), fascists are perfectly happy staying in the exact same spot the socialists always inevitably end up in anyway.

      Basically, socialism and fascism have basically the exact same outcome, just a different ideal of utopia.

      Which is why calling American conservatives or Trump supporters, who are basically regurgitating 1980s Democratic policies, fascists is idiotic. There is nothing fascist about American conservatism. In fact, it is far more liberal in the classic sense than American Progressivism.

      1. I used “basically” too much and misspelled anarchists. I should get more sleep.

      2. There is nothing fascist about American conservatism. In fact, it is far more liberal in the classic sense than American Progressivism.

        If you ignore the more extreme social conservatives who are the equivalent of FDR but on social matters.

    5. Call me old fashioned,

      Laughably ignorant!

      but I always thought a ‘fascist’ (most over used word ever) was someone who used violence to silence opponents and disrupt a democratic election

      Nope. Not even on the same planet.

  12. Fascism is just the first part of the descending order to communism. They are all marxist systems.

    Fascism is direct collusion between government and business with private property and privatized profits.
    Socialism is the government control of means of production and profits and private property still.
    communism is a total takeover of the economy. They are require government collusion/heavy handed centralism rife with corruption and graft.

    These rioters are always Marxists first because they are stupid and hate business.
    Trump, via words, is no great advocate of free market capitalism and appears to be a spend happy asshole like the rest of them.
    Where I commend him is that he is playing the media game perfectly. By calling everything fake news and being right half the time, the is making criticism of him a moot point. That means he can get a way with more. That is a bad thing. I do like the fact that he is calling bullshit on the likes of the EPA, UN, NATO, and other government agencies. Good for him there.

    1. FascismCorporatism is direct collusion between government and business with private property and privatized profits.

      Fascism is a horribly defined term, but generally consists of socialism/corporatism combined with authoritarian jingoism.

      1. No. Corporatism is an invented term to make business and capitalism sound bad.
        My point is that our cronyist economic system is more akin to fascism than any other economic system.

        A perfect example of how fascism works as an economic system was Nazi Germany. They used the cozy relationship between crony business and gov’t to re-build the war machine and the economy and once they sucked all of the businessmen in, they were powerless to fight the state lest they destroy their businesses.

        1. Corporatism actually predates fascism and was an essential part of the fascist ideology.

          1. Never heard that but I’ll give it a shot.

            Certainly the East India Tea company was a fine example of what we are discussing. I never heard the term corporatism mentioned in history that I have read until the 60s. I am wrong a lot.

            1. Corporatism was originally a project of the Catholic church in the late 1800s, to mitigate the unrestrained “excesses” of capitalism. Mussolini explicitly made corporatism the economic policy of fascist Italy.

              1. I have some reading to do. Thanks.

                1. Behold Citizen X, blowhard of the century

                  Citizen X
                  Mussolini explicitly made corporatism the economic policy of fascist Italy.

                  timbo
                  I have some reading to do. Thanks.

                  Look for “guild socialism” — the exact opposite of corporatism, centered on labor unions, not on corporations. It’s why many describe Mussolini as left-wing fascism and Hilter as right-wing fascism … and Citizen X as a babbling gasbag.

              2. You are confusing corporatism with distributism. Georges Sorrel is considered the founder of corporatism (he called it ‘national syndicalism’). Distributism is the Catholic doctrine. Similar, but distinctly different as distributism demands ‘subsidiarity’ (the most local government should have the most authority versus a national government).

                1. Upon further research, I say there is no material difference between corporatism and fascism. In fact, they overlap so much already and they are destined to overlap through the evolution of their components and proponents, there are the same.

                  Bottom line, our government is more fascist than anything else currently and that is the beginning of the slope toward Marxism.

                  I find it hilarious that the left now thinks fascism is the devil when they praised Brak’s fascism for 8 years with unflinching and unquestioned reverence.
                  Also, I think fascism, socialism, and communism are economic systems and not ideologies or political systems.. They have all been economic realities in opposition to capitalism and they have failed under the required performance of math. Capitalism is an economic system with proven economic, mathematic results.

                  1. It is all semantics. What is the difference between controlling the means of production and calling it nationalization while ensuring your cronies get rich, and controlling the means of production and calling it corporatism while ensuring your cronies get rich?

                    Fascism simply gives lip service to capitalism, while doing the exact same thing the marxists do anyway.

              3. They are pretty much completely different “corporatism”s. The older definition does not use “corporation” to purely imply incorporated businesses, but can be any kind of interest group working together for common interests.

      2. Lee Genes|1.26.17 @ 8:53AM|#
        Fascism is a horribly defined term, but generally consists of socialism/corporatism combined with authoritarian jingoism.

        Is there some reason that none of the goobers know what fascism even is … while criticizing everyone else as being ignorant? (lol)

    2. And the use of political street violence and attacking political opponents when they have rallies and events is one of the hallmarks of fascism. Here we have people showing up for the peaceful transfer of power to their chosen candidate and bunch of street thugs show up and start beating people up and breaking things. And Robby thinks it is the thugs who are the ones fighting fascism.

    3. And the use of political street violence and attacking political opponents when they have rallies and events is one of the hallmarks of fascism. Here we have people showing up for the peaceful transfer of power to their chosen candidate and bunch of street thugs show up and start beating people up and breaking things. And Robby thinks it is the thugs who are the ones fighting fascism.

    4. They hate business until its recharge time at Starbucks. Or time to clock in at Starbucks as a barista.

  13. Nothing drives people into the arms of someone like Trump quite like property destruction.

    Wait, someone that guts federal agencies, tells their heads to defer to the rights of the individual whenever possible, plans to eliminate Obamacare and wants to shrink the federal government by 20%? You mean violence drives people toward him? Well line me up a bunch of progressives who want free healthcare, free college, free student loan debt forgiveness, the end to property rights of business owners and increased taxes in producers…and I’ll start pinching the shit out of them then.

    1. I’m not clear how a trillion dollar infrastructure project, a massive wall, and a big defense budget increase is going to shrink the government by 20%. Is this alternate math?

      1. 50% of trump’s stuff is genius(reign in gov’t agencies and eliminate a bunch of them I hope) and right and the other 50%(military spending, stimulus, drug war, protectionism) is as scary as Obama.

        But as long as military spending, entitlements, and FED largesse and manipulation continues, we have no chance but to go deeper into the debt chasm.

      2. I didn’t say he was a panacea. But he has already done more libertarian things in 5 days than the last dozen presidents combined did through their entire tenures, with the exception of the temporary welfare rollback during the Clinton years. And he is banging the drum to do more by way of further neutering federal agencies under his authority.

      3. I’m not saying he hasn’t done anything positive either. His ED nominee and his FCC nominees are pleasant surprises but the man is not in any way planning to shrink the overall government by 20%. To think he is borders on complete delusion.

        What actual libertarian things has he done btw? I see a couple actions I approve of because they could lead to a smaller government but nothing so far I would deem flat out libertarian.

        1. Radically shrinking the regulatory state isn’t libertarian?

          1. He hasn’t radically shrunk the regulatory state yet. Get back to me when he has and I’ll agree. You did suggest he “did” these things already.

            1. He hasn’t radically shrunk the regulatory state yet.

              Yeah, he’s had four fucking days. What’s he waiting for?

              1. Maybe pay attention to the context of the discussion?

                “he has already done more libertarian things in 5 days than the last dozen presidents combined did through their entire tenures”

                Jimmy Carter alone did more libertarian things than Trump has done so far which is basically none. When he has actually done some libertarian things we can talk about how libertarian he is.

            2. He said he would shrink it though. Many many times. Perhaps he won’t. But the discussion is about what drives people into his arms and so far, pretty much all those people have is what he said during the campaign to judge him.

          2. I’m optimistic about that. But I’ll believe it when I see it.

            Yeah, he’s talked about doing a few libertarian friendly things. He’s also talked about doing a whole bunch of anti-libertarian things.

            I want to be fair and give credit where credit is due, but let’s not get carried away here.

          3. Shrinking government at all is always good./ But the point is the net cost/expenditures will surely go up if he is going to continue the drunken spending on our biggest albatrosses. Entitlements, military spending are the biggest by far.
            Even mentioning the word stimulus practically opens the floodgates before the bloodthirsty congressmen can figure out some bullshit pork projects to incinerate some money on.

        2. Issuing EO that bureaucrats should give people some slack and still enforce the law.

          An order that directs federal agencies to ease the “regulatory burdens” of ObamaCare. It orders agencies to “waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement” of ObamaCare that imposes a “fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.”

    2. tells their heads to defer to the rights of the individual whenever possible

      When did this happen? He has told Sessions to stop with the drug war shit?

    3. Someone that doesn’t know what his opinions are until after he’s already had them.

      Seriously, I don’t this Trump has the conviction to be a fascist. If he is at one point a fascist, just give it a minute and he won’t be.

  14. Shark jumped.

  15. We’re living in a world where the President can say with a completely straight face that whether or not he was lying depends on what the definition of “is” is – and people will support his argument. If you’re going down that road, well, words can mean anything you want them to mean. There’s effectively no rule of law when you can claim that any ambiguity in the law means any interpretation at all is just as valid an interpretation as any other, and the meaning of the word “is” is ambiguous.

    Is punching people in the face wrong? Define “wrong”. Doesn’t matter how you define it, there’s going to be plenty of people who will say they agree with you generally and in theory but in this particular instance it wasn’t wrong. They’re just going to disagree on the particular instance where punching people is not only not wrong but morally required. I’m all for free speech, but some people not only don’t have the right to speak but must be forced to shut the hell up. For reasons.

  16. “Nixon understood what too many leftists do not: violent resistance is often the health of the state.”

    Isn’t it perhaps possible that they understand this completely and that is why they riot?

    Would this sentence make sense?
    “Bernie Sanders understood what too many libertarians do not: violent resistance is often the health of the free market.”

  17. In fact, violent and destructive protesting is less efficient than nonviolent protesting, according to the research.

    Go tell Alex.

  18. The owner of the limousine?who says insurance won’t cover the damages

    Civil lawsuit, bro.

    1. Terrorism riders exist.

    2. Seriously. I think this guy is going for some crowdfunding. If your car is stolen and destroyed, your insurance will indemnify you. What is the difference here exactly?

      1. He might not have comprehensive coverage – collision only?

      2. There are frequently exclusions from standard liability policies for acts of god, acts of war, civil disturbance, terrorism, etc.

        1. He said in the story his insurance does not cover riots.

      3. Well, the car was clearly totaled so he needs to buy a replacement. It is /possible/ that the insurance company has decided that the value of his car (maybe the limousine is an older model or something) was less than the cost of a new car. It happens. When the piece of shit I used to drive and then sold to my in-laws got totaled in an accident, it was appraised so low you couldn’t have bought ANY car with the money the insurance shelled out.

  19. What I got out of the women’s march–from Facebook–was that the marching women wished Mary had aborted Jesus.

    1. What is got was that it made women, as an entire gender, look like psychotic, complaining, disgusting, vulgar, unhappy, miserable people. If my wife went to one of those, I would have visited the lawyer while she was gone.

      And I would have been so frightened, I would have hidden as many assets as possible in anticipation of her return.

      1. The nice thing about the march is that it acts as a terrific filter for knowing whose opinions regarding politics you can safely disregard as uninformed, juvenile nonsense.

  20. The Women’s March, on the other hand, was a great example of a legitimate threat to those in power.

    Was it the speaker that said she often thought about blowing the White House up that legitemized them? Or was it the BLM speakers advocating for a violent reaction to Trump? No wait, it was the fact that they left the areas looking like war zones when they were done that will draw the general public to their side.

    Get outside of the D.C. Liberal bubble and you’ll find that very few people even remember the protests from 5 days ago. Fewer still know what it was really about, other than the hypocrisy of first-worlders wanting free shit while women in the ME are treated like property. And fewer still give enough of a fuck to do anything with continuity other than complain for free shit on my dime.

    It was a colossal, virtue-signaling waste of time.

    1. Not true Sloopy. I learned that the greatest injustice facing America, if not the world, is sales tax on tampons.

      1. Oh yeah. That’s right. I forgot about that.

        Plus the fact that rogaine is now just for men and that it’s free apparently.

      2. You would think that there was a deliberate, specific tax on tampons the way they talk about it.

        1. Should have had a Boston Tea Party style protest.

          1. BREAKING NEWS: “The Potomac River ceased to flow during the recent Women’s march, EPA has been called to clear the plug caused by an unusual amount of flow from peaceful protestors…”

        2. “There is, shitlord. And they pay for it with the tampon tax. NO BLOOR FOR OIL. NO BLOOD FOR OIL!

          -feminazi protester

          1. What the hell do they have against the guy who resurrected Triumph Motorcycles? I like my modern Bonneville just fine.

    2. Yeah, I don’t see how it was a threat to anything. Like most protests in the US in the past 3 or 4 decades, there was no real point and nothing at stake. It’s entertainment. Basically the same thing as going to a big concert or festival.

  21. Message to Natasha Lennard.

    One: History consistently teaches that authoritarians use real or imagined acts of violence as a pretext for increasing their authoritarianism and cracking down on individual liberty. Can you say, for example, “Reichstag fire?”

    Two: If the people you oppose truly are the Nazis or Fascists that you claim they are, history consistently teaches that they will be far more effective and ruthless in using violence against you, especially in retaliation. Think Charlie Hedbo.

  22. Liberty minded people and lefties have fundamentally different mentalities which has been starkly contrasted over the last year.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03Bt6b8PPP0

    1. Good on him to find out the truth for himself and being open minded enough to fairly judge his own experience. Hating entire groups of people is rooted in ignorance. When you never associate with certain people or are completely closed minded by hate when you do, you remain ignorant.

  23. “When the Left Glorifies Violence Against People It Dislikes”

    aka show their true colors. It’s no accident that communism always results in violent oppression. When you put the children in charge you get Lord of the Flies.

  24. “The Women’s March sent a message that Trump is unpopular. ”

    No, it didn’t.

    “The Women’s March figured out the right way to fight fascism.”

    Your Rolling Stone credits have expired.

    You’d better brush up on your history because if there’s one thing I (we) don’t tolerate it’s the misuse of history for contemporary analogies.

  25. “Wasow said the march might have the same kind of lasting effect as the Tea Party movement, which accomplished many of its political goals.” Hahahaha this will be just as successful as Occupy Wall Street.

  26. Burning a limo that ugly could be considered a mercy killing.

  27. First off, virtue signalling aside, Trump already won. He’s president. You know how that happened? Eight years of wealthy, white, liberal arts majors telling people that they’re racist, privileged, and stupid, then robbing them blind and laughing at them. Basically, the system that created both the “black bloc”, i.e. spolied, upper middle class Yuppie spawn, and a bunch of idiots wearing vagina suits talking about how “powerful” they are, also created a response: Trump. Put another way, the Progressives did such a good job of scaring rational, normal people over the past eight years that people voted for a NYC real estate developer.

    Secondly, Fascism is a real word that actually means something. Specifically, Fascism refers to a movement in Italian politics, full stop. George Orwell once said, “the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless … almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist'”. What you mean when you say “fascist” is really “authoritarian”. Or, in some cases, “socialist”. Trump is a populist, a demagogue, possibly with authoritarian tendencies (although that remains to be seen), but he cannot be a fascist.

    1. “Specifically, Fascism refers to a movement in Italian politics”

      True, Mussolini created and defined the term. He defined it as a Nationalism that not only justified but demanded violence, mixed with corporatism and socialism. It was very similar to Nazism but without the genocide. Both were about returning countries to their formal glory through war. Pretty easy to get Benito’s thoughts on the term via Google. No one else’s definition really matters.

      1. Mussolini’s formulation for fascism was quite succinct.

        All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

        It is totalitarian collectivism. Everything else is just detail.

        Progressivism =/= fascism only by and to the extent that progressivism is willing to tolerate elements beyond the control of the collective. If progressivism does not recognize any limit to it’s scope then it becomes objectively fascist.

    2. Thirdly, the radical left isn’t the same as it was in the 60s and 70s, when they were good at violence. It’s still children of privilege centered around universities and their allies, but they’re so close to the mainstream in power that they’ve lost their revolutionary edge. Quite frankly, the people they’re punching and yelling at are much, much better at violence, and in some ways better positioned to use it. The right has shown a lot of restraint, but every time some leftist refers to an assault as “counter-violence” they back more people into a corner. After all, they’ve shown that debate and civil disagreement isn’t on the table anymore. The only other option is violent resistance.

      In 2017, the alt-right, ancaps, even libertarians are more revolutionary than anyone in black face masks breaking windows, and most of them are better armed and better trained.

      1. Leftists in the 60s and 79s weren’t that good at violence either, there were just more of them throwing bombs. Real amateurs compared to FARC or IRA.

      2. Color me stolen: “In 2017, the alt-right, ancaps, even libertarians are more revolutionary than anyone in black face masks breaking windows, and most of them are better armed and better trained”

  28. I take less issue with someone punching Spencer than with the fact that they sucker punched him and then ran away like a little bitch. The Nation twit thinks that is somehow heroic.

    1. Have you seen these people? They’re like vicious chihuahuas. That guy probably has PTSD now.

      1. I take some comfort in that

      2. Oh no you didn’t just assume gender. Better be careful, she/he/it/whatever will give you such a pinch.

  29. “The right way to fight fascism.”

    That word has now officially become meaningless.

  30. The Women’s March isn’t a threat to anybody. Like all these lefty protests, it was fundamentally defensive, trying to reinforce the in-group identification of the participants. It convinced nobody to change their mind in favor of the marchers (quite the opposite, I suspect).

    And, history is rife with purely peaceful movements that failed. I think the winning combo for fundamental change is a peaceful movement plus a more violent alternative movement. There’s a reason why so many “revolutionary” operations are designed that way – a legit front group, and a deniable militant group.

    1. “…It convinced nobody to change their mind in favor of the marchers (quite the opposite, I suspect)….”

      One of the problems regards what the marchers were marching for; what is their purpose? AFAICT, it was a “WE LOST THE ELECTION AND WE’RE PISSED” march.

      1. Someone said they were having a good cry after their breakup with normal America.

  31. The heart-breaking part of this thread is that Hihn has given only 10 names for list of honor. And this has left so many disappointed. So many…

    1. Some are positively

      [dons sunglasses]

      unhihnged.

      1. Oohh, nice.

    2. 15 to be precise.

    3. Fascists: John, CrustyJuggler, Tonio, John Titor, jubistar, Citizen x, Francisco D’Anconia, ace-m82, Swiss Servator, MarkLastName and all my many stalkers

      For Idle Hands, here AGAIN is why Ron Paul is as big a con man as Charles Ponzi. Google (“Ron Paul” DOMA). Listen to his pathetic bullshit here.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

      Listen as he opposes marriage equality because it would expand government benefits!! He trashes the 14th Amendment, and the entire concept of equal rights.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH0kHoWdK3M#t=138

      Do his puppets REALLY think he opposes expanding the welfare state! Or do they need an excuse for bigotry?

      “I supported the Defense of Marriage Act, … I have also cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act, which would remove challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from the jurisdiction of the federal courts”

      FUCKING SHAMEFUL.. THE FIRST DENIAL OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION SINCE SLAVERY,

      He also says “rogue judges” overturned DOMA, using the same argument as Orval Faubus, who used his state militia to impose segregation on 9 black kids. He lies about the 10th Amendment, REJECTS the 9th amendment, three co-equal branches, balance of power, thus leaving us DEFENSELESS from government.

      STATES HAVE POWERS WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN DELEGATED (omg)

      Now the PC thugs will gang up on me, like a pack of wild dogs, NEVER challenging a single fact.

      (Tone and boldface in self defense of aggression)

      1. jesus your dumb. Paul has consistently said the issue is government saying who can and cant get married and he wants to remove government all together. Completely principled and accurate. Man you never stop trolling.

        1. https://reason.com/blog/2015/06…..-out-of-ma

          here. Keep trolling Bro! We amuse us here!

          1. SomeGuy
            here. Keep trolling Bro! We amuse us here!

            Someguy has now been humiliated TWICE!

            https://reason.com/blog/2017/01…..nt_6713436

        2. I am all for people being able to marry a goat and fuck it as long as the goat consent by showing enjoyment.

          None of my fucking business if you fuck a girl, man, tranny, several all at once, fuck a goat, fucked by a dog, fuck a melon with lube heated in the microwave, or whatever.

          None of my fucking business or yours and definitely not the governments.

          1. OMG Now SomeGuy AGREES that Ron Paul is full of shit!!!!!

            I am all for people being able to marry a goat and fuck it as long as the goat consent by showing enjoyment.

            Thanks foir retracting your first two screwups!

            https://reason.com/blog/2017/01…..nt_6713436

            https://reason.com/blog/2017/01…..nt_6713447

            1. i did’t retract shit. So keep making shit up lol

              But i made my point and Rand paul has explicitly stated he agrees with natural law that government has no business in marriage and that you are trolling. Any reader here will see you as a troll and will see the truth so i am done.

              1. i didn’t retract shit. So keep making shit up

                The links prove you a liar again.

                THIRD ATTEMPT:

                WHY DO YOU DEFEND RON PAUL’S TOTALLY SHAMEFUL ATTEMPT TO DENY THE DEFENSE OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO *ONLY* HOMOSEXUALS .,.. THE FIRST SUCH GROUP DENIAL SINCE SLAVERY? Do you have NO shame at all?

        3. ANY excuse for a gullible bigot!!!

          jesus your dumb.

          Waif for it …

          Paul has consistently said the issue is government saying who can and cant get married and he wants to remove government all together.

          Pay attention. If you can ….
          As long as government IS involved, then all the constitutional guarantees of equal rights expose Ron as a bullshitter ,.,, and you as manipulated puppet

          Completely principled and accurate

          IT’S PRINCIPLED TO VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION?

          Man you never stop trolling

          I call it humiliating the brainwashed.
          Any quesitions?

          1. again according to natural law government has no authority to say who can and cant get married. You are using a logical fallacy here boss.

            Rand paul has correctly stated Government has no say in the issue and you fail to comprehend this for some reason….maybe because you are just trolling by spamming the message board?

            1. your point is moot because government has no say period so your bill of right references are pointless since government from the get go has no say in the issue.

            2. Now SomeGuy repeats the original fuckup!!!

              Rand paul has correctly stated Government has no say in the issue and you fail to comprehend this for some reason

              One more time. YOU fail to comprehend
              1) Ron/Rand Paul are no superior to the constitution,
              2) As long as government is involved, then they have NO RIGHT to violate the 9th and 14th Amendments …. and the entire concept of equal rights under the law..

              ….maybe because you are just trolling by spamming the message board?

              (laughing) There is a process for amending the Constitution.

              WHY DO YOU DEFEND RON PAUL’S TOTALLY SHAMEFUL ATTEMPT TO DENY THE DEFENSE OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO *ONLY* HOMOSEXUALS .,.. THE FIRST SUCH GROUP DENIAL SINCE SLAVERY? Do you have NO shame at all?

              Again: Tribal Libtards are as eager to be brainwashed as Tribal Progtards.
              (Only the handful of tribal ones who have no power anyhow, only the power to destroy their respective movements.)

              (Posted in self defense of repeated aggression by this now-proven fool)

  32. I wish John were a real fascist. Thats the only way we are going to get Lena Dunham out of sight.

    1. Kidnapped and taken to his love dungeon?

  33. Alternative take. Let’s imagine protests rarely ever accomplish anything but rather herald where the country is already headed, if not where it is already at:

    Peaceful marches much more often happen when the movement is on a very strong footing to the point where they possibly even have popular support in a majority of the country. Older people, wealthier young people, and generally those with more to lose are finally joining the movement en masse.

    Violent marches are more frustrated and desperate movements that realize their goals are less likely to come to pass and require more desperate measures.

    Either way, if these movements demand something that was probably coming anyway, they get it. If they demand something stupid, like the other 50% of the country bend over for them and let them have power back, they don’t get it. The rest is just theater.

  34. “The bloc takes care to stay together, move together, and blend together. Within minutes, bottle rockets were shooting skyward and bricks were flying through bank windows. You don’t know who does what in a bloc, you don’t look to find out. If bodies run out of formation to take a rock to a Starbucks window, they melt back to the bloc in as many seconds.”

    This may help explain why journalists often get arrested in a sweep, as reported the other day. If a photographer is snapping photos of this mob passing by and gets arrested, that may warrant an eyebrow raise. If journalist Natasha Lennard gets zip-tied and sent off to the holding pen with the rest of the mob when she’s actively participating in the mob’s activities, I’m less concerned.

    1. I’m not sure it’s fair to call her a journalist, since she says “we”. not “they”. She’s a criminal who documented her crimes. By that logic, the people that tortured the kid on Facebook are journalists.

    2. ‘The bloc takes care to stay together, move together, and blend together. ‘
      Excellent, a nice big target.

  35. Michael Hihn is a fascist cat turd eater. And a Bully. His mom raised him in a kennel and fed him expired deep dish pizza gathered from the dumpster at Papa Johns. I heard he likes to skin rats and sew them into little voodoo dolls of Reason commenters. *waits patiently to be part of the list?

    1. Ewww… deep dish pizza.

    2. Still more aggression, as predicted (yawn)

      As for the facsism:

      Why do you stand with Ron Paul, Orval Faubus and the KKK?
      1) Judicial Review?,
      2) balance of power?
      3) separation of powers?
      4) equal and unalienable rights?
      5) 9th Amendment?
      6) 14th Amendment?
      7) THREE co-equal branches of government?

      What can you cite for your conviction that states can have powers which have never been delegated?
      Why are you people so TOTALLY ignorant of America’s founding principles? And proud of your ignorance?

      (yawn)

      1. I poop on you and corpse fuck this thread. *waves magic wand

        1. Why do you stand with Ron Paul, Orval Faubus and the KKK?
          1) Judicial Review?,
          2) balance of power?
          3) separation of powers?
          4) equal and unalienable rights?
          5) 9th Amendment?
          6) 14th Amendment?
          7) THREE co-equal branches of government?

          What can you cite for your conviction that states can have powers which have never been delegated?
          Why are you people so TOTALLY ignorant of America’s founding principles? And proud of your ignorance?

          No answer (snicker)

    1. Funny photo.

      Yes cause she it fat and has a silly expression at the time of this photo.

  36. President who in first week in office makes moves at shrinking government roles in Healthcare, Energy, as well as the broader regulatory-state = Fascist

    President who spent 8 years forcing media to use “official” images of the leader, wiretapped and jailed journalists critical of his administration, and turned every agency into a political weapon = Hero of Democracy

    /Robby-logic

    1. Behold the hate-spewing psycho liar (again)

      Gilmore
      President who spent 8 years forcing media to use “official” images of the leader, wiretapped and jailed journalists critical of his administration, and turned every agency into a political weapon = Hero of Democracy

      /Robby-logicRobby neither said nor implied anything at all on that entire issue.
      But the rightwing psychos are throwing hissy fits up and down the page because … well … they’re Social Justice Warriors punishing Robby’s Political Incorrrectness, lying about what he said … as their normal pack of wild dogs,

  37. What policy was the women’s march protesting? Trump has just been inaugurated. Moreover, he is an ex-Democrat, centrist, and pragmatist. If he was ideologue (e.g. a communist or a laissez faire capitalist), then it is possible to have a blanket condemnation of all of his policies, but he has a mixture of ideas and loves negotiation and deal-making. What is ideological about that? Neither Trump nor his followers believe in fascism, a political ideology that is antithetical to everything this country represents. The reason for the popularity of the term “fascism” is due to the fact that socialists needed a new term for the Nazis, who in fact were National Socialists–and the socialists didn’t want to associate the evil Nazis with themselves. But in fact, socialism and fascism are both forms of statism–and when the government has that much control over the common people, they are able to do virtually anything; so any nuance in differences between the various types of statism are meaningless.

    1. Policy!? Policy!?! You can’t talk policy yet! /apologies to coach

    2. What policy was the women’s march protesting?

      Unmmmm, none. He was just inaugurated. Strike one.
      Your contempt for Free Speech is appalling, but expected.

      but he has a mixture of ideas and loves negotiation and deal-making. What is ideological about that

      The mixture. Strike Two. Forget free speech again?

      Neither Trump nor his followers believe in fascism,

      You must be among the facsist followers,

      a political ideology that is antithetical to everything this country represents

      Which is why they marched.

      The reason for the popularity of the term “fascism”

      How does that apply here?,

      But in fact, socialism and fascism are both forms of statism,

      Including the extreme pro-life Christo-fasscists who reject the Constitution for a new Inquisition.

      so any nuance in differences between the various types of statism are meaningless.

      So we agree on the Christo-Fascsists?

      1. You are in dire need of psychiatric intervention.

        1. I think Hihn suffers from senility; psychiatrists can’t do anything about that.

  38. Violent uprisings only work if you have the numbers.

    1. It’s crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide — which is equally irrelevant here,
      Chill.

      1. Boy am I late coming into this but since I know you’ll be fucking this corpse for the next three days, can I please, PLEASE be on your list????

        1. The list of goobers I humiliated?

        2. Typical dumbfuck goober ADMITS being a corpse fucker!!!

          Boy am I late coming into this

          Umm, that’s WHY your gang of asswipes is so fucking crazy to establish time limits … which you mindlessly repeat.

          Uh-oh, I humiliated Boberson again, when he is already a stalker, (shudder)

          1. (contented sigh; folds fingers on belly and puts feet on desk)

            Thanks for that Mike.

            1. Stalking, as I predicted, (lol)
              Because I called him out.
              He attacks me for being a corpse fucker .,.. while admitting HE is a corpse fucker.
              The insufferable arrogance of a moral hypocrite.
              An entire gang of them.

    1. Careful, you might make the Hihn List of Fascists if you are in any way critical of the left, PM.

      1. (laughing) Stalking me because he was TOTALLY humiliated here,

        https://reason.com/blog/2017/01…..nt_6713436

        And three comments down

        Now, in desperation, the THUG assumes I must be on the left … when my rightwing credentials have been solid as a rock for over a quarter century.

        To humiliate you even further, here’s the web archive of my published political writing. Pick any of several on Taxes and Health care, plus many other topics … while we non-goobers continue laughing at you.

        http://LibertyIssues.com/archive.htm

  39. Just how large were these peacful womynz, Robby?

    1. There weight is unknown.
      But their numbers were at least twice as high as the pathetically small crowd for the inauguration — which may not have been reported inside your tribal cave.

  40. The Women’s March figured out the right way to fight fascism.

    Trump is a pompous ass, he is no “fascist”.

    And the Women’s March wasn’t “fighting fascism”, it was a march for neo-Marxist ideas.

    1. Suckered AGAIN!
      Rational Exhuberance

      The Women’s March figured out the right way to fight fascism.

      Trump is a pompous ass, he is no “fascist”.

      The goobers quote each orher’s bullshit as fact. The sentence he quoted was a LIE invented by another goober. Despite all the childish hissy fits here about fascism and Nazis, NEITHER term appears ANYWHERE in Robby’s piece … except in pieces Robby quoted AND ATTACKED,

      For PURE conbservtard, it’s hard to top this bullshit.

      it was a march for neo-Marxist ideas.

      Like abortion rights! (laughing hysterically)
      These consertards are EAGER to be brainwashed — precisely like progtards, Tribalism over reality for TRUE BELIEVERS.

  41. They set a limousine on fire, even though the limousine belonged to a Muslim immigrant.

    this is great.. equal opportunity destroyers at work. Too bad they can’t figure out how to assure equal OUTCOME, right?

    Any bets as to what percentage of the female demonstrators were also somehow involved in the colour demonstrations? My bet would put the number pretty high. I’ll also put the odds of a repeat performance this time incorporating violence and destruction in the somewhat near future.

    What these dimwits fail to comprehend is that WE who now seem to be in or near power, are the ones have been under the jackboots of their ilk that have been in and near power these past ten or more years. Now the kinyun and his minions are (at least temporarily) out of power, they are in panic mode fearing they’ll never regain their former strength. We who are enjoying a few whiffs of freedom and release, and hope for more, will gather in strength as they attempt anew to regain their lost power. Much like Britain had second thoughts about our having trumped them in 1785 or so…. and gave them all one way passage to from whence they came. They returned some quarter century later to take back what they “lost” (never theirs in the first place, just like now) and got thumped again, harder. They’ve comported themselves relatively well since then.

    1. They set a limousine on fire, even though the limousine belonged to a Muslim immigrant.
      Tthis is great..

      The owner’s nationality is clearly visible on license plates, right?

  42. Let me point out that one of the founders of the March wants to impose Shariah Law on the world.

    And a prominent speaker apparently once kidnapped, tortured, and then killed a man. But got out after 25 years and became an activist.

    If that’s non-violence, well, I’ll side with Trump.

    1. Let me point out that one of the founders of the March wants to impose Shariah Law on the world.

      On a page overflowing with rampant bullshit …. you win the trophy for the craziest of all.

      If that’s non-violence, well, I’ll side with Trump.

      Or because you traffic in hate-spewing bigotry … none of which has anything at all to do with the march.

      Why does it enrage you — to the point of total dishonesty … that the march was peaceful and non-violent?
      Are you THAT hostile to even the most blatantly obvious facts — like Trump himself?

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  45. Anyone who’s dealt with bullies, haters, etc. realize that most protestors who resort to violence just want to destroy things and hurt others… it isn’t because they’re passionate about anything or have some kind of real purpose… they just get off on destruction.

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