Trump Definitively Forsakes His Promise to Release His Tax Returns
"People didn't care," says an adviser. "They voted for him."

After repeatedly promising to release his tax returns, Donald Trump has definitively reneged on that commitment. "He's not going to release his tax returns," presidential counselor Kellyanne Conway said in an interview on ABC's This Week yesterday. "We litigated this all through the election. People didn't care. They voted for him."
President Trump has no legal obligation to let Americans see his tax returns, but in refusing to do so before the election he broke with the practice of every major-party presidential nominee since 1980. Now he has abandoned any pretense of sticking to the promises he made on this subject while running for president:
February 25, 2015: "I would release tax returns….I would certainly show tax returns if it was necessary….I have no objection to certainly showing tax returns."
January 24, 2016: "We're working on that now. I have very big returns, as you know, and I have everything all approved and very beautiful, and we'll be working that over in the next period of time….We're working on it right now, and at the appropriate time you'll be very satisfied."
February 25, 2016: "I will absolutely give my return, but I'm being audited now for two or three years, so I can't do it until the audit is finished, obviously."
May 10, 2016: "I'll release. Hopefully before the election I'll release."
September 26, 2016: "I don't mind releasing—I'm under a routine audit. And it'll be released….As soon as the audit's finished, it will be released."
October 9, 2016: "As soon as my routine audit is finished, I'll release my returns. I'll be very proud to. They're actually quite great."
As Peter Suderman noted last summer, the audit excuse was always bogus: Trump was free to release his tax returns whenever he wanted. But after Trump accepted his party's nomination in July, Suderman wrote, his campaign manager "confirmed what Trump's year-plus-long dodge on the matter has always implied: Donald Trump won't release his tax returns before the presidential election this November." Or afterward, it turns out.
Although Conway claimed "people didn't care" about Trump's tax returns, the fact that he won the election despite refusing to release them does not mean they contain no information of public interest. A CNN poll conducted in late September and early October found that 73 percent of voters thought he should release his tax returns. Last week an ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 74 percent of American adults still thought the public should be able to see the president's returns.
It's not clear what exactly Trump is hiding. Perhaps the returns would show that the billionaire developer pays no federal income tax (something he has repeatedly hinted), that he does not give much to charity, or that his earnings are not as robust as he would like people to believe. Maybe the returns would reveal potential conflicts of interest. Or maybe the most revealing thing is how readily Trump has forsaken his unambiguous pledge of transparency.
Update: Supplying alternative facts on Twitter this morning, Kellyanne Conway said her statement that Trump is "not going to release his tax returns" did not mean that Trump is not going to release his tax returns. Rather, his position is the "same [as] from [the] campaign: POTUS is under audit and will not release until that is completed." I predict this audit will take at least four more years, possibly eight.
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He did not say when he would release them.
2030 maybe?
The media cares.
Well, this is just too much.
He was free to release his returns during the audit but what kind of drooling retard would would do so willingly? Maybe his returns are a big deal and maybe they aren't but the media idiots make such a big deal out of everything Trump that it's getting tough to tell what I should pay attention to. Crying wolf doesn't work after enough times even when the real wolf shows up.
Gee I don't know, maybe someone who actually was true to his word?
Some of the quotes above specifically say he'll release them when the (currently ongoing) audit is finished.
And that was a lie.
And tell me Cassandra, how do you come to that conclusion?
He's a never trumper. He's nevering right now.
Actually, I"m just revealing the Trump shills around here, of which we have far too many.
How is it a lie though? If he said he'd release them when the audit is done and the audit is ongoing then not releasing them isn't a lie. It may or may not be a good idea to not release them but a lie it ain't.
Read the article. He's not going to release them, audit or not.
"He's not going to release them, audit or not"
Read it all, don't see that anywhere in there.
So, AGAIN, how is it a lie.
""He's not going to release his tax returns," presidential counselor Kellyanne Conway said in an interview on ABC's This Week yesterday. "We litigated this all through the election. People didn't care. They voted for him.""
"audit or not."
Still waiting.
"He's not going to release his tax returns,"
his position is the "same [as] from [the] campaign: POTUS is under audit and will not release until that is completed." I predict this audit will take at least four more years, possibly eight.
You said audit or not just point out where it said audit or not in the article and we'll move on
Your silence says it all.
And you know this... how?
In any case, what difference does it make? People went into the polling booth knowing that he hadn't released his tax returns and still voted for him. And they voted for him not because out of any great love or trust in him, but because they despised the alternative even more.
I mean, feel free to harp on this point again and again, but I just don't think it's going to make any difference to anybody, or to future elections. Democrats will win again when they nominate a decent, moderate candidate, it's as simple as that.
Wake and Bake!
How long does an audit take?
4 years, or maybe 8
As long as you want it to, when you are making it all up anyway.
Gee, there's a shocker.
Lyin' Trump lies again!
Until Trump pulls a 'you can keep your doctor' and 'save $2500 on premiums', Obama remains the Count of Liars.
Indeed.
For a politician, the lies that really matter are the one's that misrepresent something that effects the general public.
I didn't support or vote for Trump but I don't give a damn about his tax returns.
I do care about what he's likely to do that will affect my tax returns.
Don't forget the related whopper "if you like your health insurance you can keep your health insurance" either.
And then there's the howler about the "most transparent administration ever" .
Get back to me when it's a lie that matters. The contents of his tax returns are no one's business but Trump's, hell it shouldn't even be the government's business what he earns.
Except, as has been pointed out to your fucking retard ass, he didn't.
So far, none of Trump's lies or insults have hurt me, so I don't care.
Bush's, Hillary's and Obama's lies, on the other hand, have caused a lot of problems.
I'll reserve my complaints about politicians lying for those lies that actually matter to me.
I think every person elected to public office should release their tax returns and be required to sell off all their business interests and stocks and bonds and form a blind trust. This way no congressman would be voting on anything they may have a interest in. That should thin the herd. Who's with me?
BTW,congress is where the laws are written and money spent. They all vote on issues that will help their bottom line. Look at how many spend years in congress and end up with millions [Harry Reid,Robert Byrd to name a couple]
I'm with you, especially at the federal level. I think all their tax, business, financial, health, and travel records by law ought to become fully available public record. More transparency is better.
I just think that what's good for the goose ,is good for the gander. If you want Trump to show his tax returns and sell all his business interests then congress should follow suit. I still an believe this ass clowns the president. Then I look at Brown here in Ohio and the former SNL ass in Minn. and think,why not. It's a sad state of affairs.
That's a good way to ensure that no one but professional parasites ever runs for office, and that they have no choice but to fight tooth and nail to stay there for life. Sounds like an own goal, really.
That's a great way of getting a Congress full of losers and career politicians.
How about the alternative, namely dropping all conflict of interest rules and all requirements for divestment, and just leaving it up to voters?
Oof, I'm far from a government transparency zealot, but this is making even my alarm bells go off. Being president obviously gives someone a great deal of power and influence, extending far beyond their stay in office. I don't see anything wrong with a prospective president having to jump through some hoops.
Maybe he's waiting for John Kerry to release his military records. Those things are 13 years past due.
Or Obama releasing his college transcripts.
Or Hillary releasing the books for the Clinton Foundation.
The most obvious reason that Trump is not willing to release his tax returns is obvious from anyone who has ever prepared a real estate developer's tax return. A developer is in the business of ALWAYS starting new deals. This means that holdings that are spinning off cash flows ( a casino development for instance) are leveraged to the hilt in order to fund additional projects. The added debt ( and subsequent interest expense) on good projects, usually results in a taxable loss for that entity. This added debt also can also, if market forces change, result in a development going bankrupt (see Trump casino in N.J.) - This also is an example of the "greater fool" theory (last lender got stuck holding the bag)
Also Trump would be a fool to expose any open year tax return to inspection by the internet at large. Who knows what minor (or major) detail in one of the partnership agreements / bank contracts / tax law - that he may expose himself to. Tax law in these matters is often not a black or white event. There are partnership basis issues (needed to take losses on your personal tax returns) that could be litigated forever and ever ... amen.
As if they'd be able to understand such returns.
They'd just scratch their heads and scream, 'a-ha! Loopholes!' for perfectly legit entries.
Being self employed I have filed a S-C for years. I'm sure they would pick that apart also.
If this is the reason, then Trump should simply say so. His current explanation indicates he's just been stringing the public along with no intention to actually disclose his tax returns for unknown, unsavory reasons.
Every one of those reasons you stated supports the public interest in seeing his taxes. Is he currently "starting new deals"? Who is he indebted to? Has he received payouts in the form of loan forgiveness? Who are his business partners? What are his conflicts? It's amazing that so called libertarians would prefer to bury their head in the sand here.
I'll concede that those are legitimate questions. And if unearthing those things were the only consequence of releasing his returns, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. But we know that won't be the end of it. Trump's returns could show nothing incriminating and he'd still become the ground zero target for a slew of politicized lawsuits and prosecutions targeting practices widely regarded as perfectly legal and will be regarded as perfectly legal and legitimate in all future cases. Hell, even some of the commenters here became "pro-tax libertarians" when it was revealed he made use of the tax-loss carryforward.
Why do you care if that won't be the end of it? You'll be allowed to make your own informed decision about whether his tax returns reveal any improprieties. Unless you'd rather remain blissfully ignorant...
Why do you care if that won't be the end of it?
Because I'm not exactly a big fan of politicized lawsuits that apply "novel" interpretations of the law to engage in fishing expeditions to ruin people. Regardless of what I think of Donald Trump (I'm not a fan), as a libertarian not having the government do that sort of thing to people is kind of a priority for me.
He IS the government!
No. He's the head of the Executive of the federal government. There's no shortage of other governmental officials who can act against him.
So your interest in saving Donald Trump, as litigious as anyone you'll ever meet, against possible litigation, is more important than ensuring the head of the Executive branch of the federal government is free of personal business conflicts? Your priorities are whack.
So, in other words "He's a bad person. And if bad people are subject to injustices, well that's just fine.".
That is the dumbest thing I've read today. Congrats.
Yeah, an accurate condensation of your argument is pretty damned stupid.
That's it in a nutshell.
I'm a bit amazed. Now, all of a sudden, libertarians are supposed to drop their objections to the process as punishment because the target is Donald Trump. Principals over principles.
His tax returns are neither necessary nor sufficient for determining whether he has major personal business conflicts; and minor ones, I don't care about.
The idea that any businessman runs for POTUS in order to enrich himself is ridiculous; it would be one of the worst business decisions anyone could make.
Voters knew what they were getting with Trump; it's not like he held anything back. They knew that there was nothing in place to address his conflicts of interests. And they still voted for him.
Finally, his tax returns are neither necessary nor sufficient for determining any conflicts of interest. And as a libertarian, I disapprove of the complex and bizarre rules of the IRS, as well as its excessive power, so I don't really care about what Trump does vis-a-vis the IRS either.
(Disclaimer: I actually didn't vote for the guy.)
This. I am not embarrassed about my earnings, but if I were a politician, I would be concerned about a witch hunt, with people questioning any deduction, income classification, etc. For many of these items, even my tax preparer says that it's a judgment call and that you just have to wait and see whether the IRS agrees.
Full stop.
The "but he made a campaign promise!" is stupid. Remember when we ended the Middle East wars, closed Gitmo, ran the most transparent administration in history, and the oceans stopped rising? Yeah, me neither.
Yeah, but just because the last guy fudged campaign promises doesn't mean this one gets a pass. Granted, this one seems to be pretty silly, but I think we all can agree the only thing his returns would show is that he's not as wealthy as you think and he donated to the Clinton Foundation.
You're free to hyperventilate over it but it won't help. Breaking campaign promises isn't a temporary aberration brought about by lousy candidates, it's an inherent (mis-)feature of representative democracy.
And voters understand that. Trump voters understood that Trump was lying, and Clinton voters understood that Clinton was lying. So, get over it.
There are two things wrong with your apology for Trump. First, Trump has complete control over releasing his tax returns unlike complex geopolitical realities. Second, it doesn't make it better for Trump to have lied about a campaign promise simply because Obama did too.
Not just Obama. Every president in my lifetime (and I'm old), both Team Red and Team Blue. It's the nature of campaign promises. This is just Jakoob doing his social signal.
What's your point, then? It's OK if Trump breaks campaign promises, including ones that he could easily fulfill such as disclosing his tax returns?
That there's actually important shit to worry about, without distractions from sideshows like this.
We'll have to agree to disagree then. I think somebody breaking a specific, easily-kept campaign promise deserves to be recognized. After all, we're multi-faceted and can consider and discuss different issues including things such as policy proposals.
"I think somebody breaking a specific, easily-kept campaign promise deserves to be recognized. "
Change "somebody" to "a politician" and realize how silly you sound.
I mean, ok, recognize it, if you want to look silly.
That's like asking if gravity or rain showers are OK. Broken campaign promises are an intrinsic part of our democratic system.
There are mechanisms that could be used to address it; for example, we could use federal plebiscites much more; we might introduce some kind of instant recall; we might introduce binding contracts for politicians with well-defined penalties; we might use sortition or other forms of democracy where people don't run for office.
But given the system we have, campaign promises are inevitably broken; no politician could operate otherwise and get elected.
"The "but he made a campaign promise!" is stupid."
It's stupid to hold powerful people accountable for their words?
Yes, its stupid to hold Trump accountable for words, when we've had 8 years of a complete lack of accountability for some pretty serious crap being peddled by the Obama administration.
I would love honesty in DC, but that is not the norm and its pretty stupid to expect the Trump administration to all of a sudden change that paradigm.
So... Trump gets away with everything, because Obama?
Because Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, (Ford gets a pass because never elected) Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman...
That's not what I said.
I said it's stupid to hold Trump to a standard that the left and center happily abdicated for Obama.
The constant avalanche of lies from Obama's admin the last 8 years, and pitifully few complaints from our so-called press. Anyone pointing out the lies was declared a closet racist.
So yes, it's stupid to act like its now, all of a sudden, an issue. It's stupid to have a whole friggin article about Trump's stonewalling on his tax returns, when he has no legal obligation to release them.
Find some balance and then we can talk about holding the administration accountable. But don't go from "ignore the lies", to "1984, Hitler, Orwell, LIES!" in the span of a weekend.
"I said it's stupid to hold Trump to a standard that the left and center happily abdicated for Obama."
How about holding Trump to his OWN standard?
How about getting rid of the tribalism bullshit and holding people in power accountable for their own actions and their own promises, whether or not they have a (R) or a (D) after their names?
Fine. But first, don't be a hypocrite. It's tiresome.
Show me where I've been a hypocrite on this issue. You can't.
I just get real tired of the Trump shilling around here, especially when there are approximately 92,379,497 blogs on the right that do nothing but fellate Trump on a daily basis. If you want to live in a pro-Trump bubble, then go there.
Yes, its stupid to hold Trump accountable for words, when we've had 8 years of a complete lack of accountability for some pretty serious crap being peddled by the Obama administration.
It is completely legitimate to criticize the media for giving Obama passes on his bullshit. That does not mean Trump should get passes. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Additionally, I recall plenty of reason coverage pointing out Obama's bullshit. It's completely understandable, and welcome in my opinion, that reason coverage also points out Trump's bullshit. (Keeping in mind some writers from reason go over the top with Trump, which I recognize they shouldn't do.)
"It is completely legitimate to criticize the media for giving Obama passes on his bullshit. That does not mean Trump should get passes. Two wrongs don't make a right."
Some people around here are still stuck in tribalism mode. "OMG THE MEDIA HATES TRUMP SO WE MUST BASH THE MEDIA WHENEVER THEY ASK HARD QUESTIONS ABOUT TRUMP"
Well, I'm in the "chemjeff lied when he said Trump refused to release his returns, audit or not" camp.
So, you lied. Go away.
Knock yourself out. What good will it do?
I'd rather focus on the stuff that matters, like what Trump is actually doing about taxes and healthcare. And there, the argument is not "you lied" but "if you do this, you/your party is going to lose ____ million voters".
It is indeed stupid to expect Trump to be honest. It is not stupid, however, to call him out on his bullshit.
FTFY
I agree, and I want all politicians to be called out on their bullshit. I don't think Trump should get a free pass, especially if the reason is that other politicians get free passes. Multiple wrongs don't make a right.
"I agree, and I want all politicians to be called out on their bullshit. "
I think we all do, here.
I also think the outrage about this incident is totally fabricated, and inconsistent with the previous behavior of many of the outraged.
Often it is stupid. All that matters really is whether Trump will get reelected next time. Is focusing on his tax returns going to affect his chances? I doubt it. Voters didn't seem to care enough in 2016, and they are unlikely to care in 2020.
Knowing what we know about Trump, I think it's more than likely that his biggest reason isn't so much that there's something incriminating, but instead that he's a little bit less successful than he claims. Should be a wild ride
It wouldn't even necessarily show that. My returns show an income but it's an income I choose to pay myself. So someone can conclude, 'that's it? But he owns a business!' Exactly. I get other perks and can easily increase my salary if I so choose.
But I think, and this is just me shooting my mouth off, if it would *just* show that, it's a good trade-off if it gives the public what it wants. Only he knows the truth.
Stay at home mom Kelly Richards from New York after resigning from her full time job managed to average from $6000-$8000 a month from freelancing at home? This is how she done
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Not sure if I'm buying this until I see Kelly Richards' tax returns.
The only people that care are the ones that were and are opposed to Trump. So he losses nothing by backing off whatever campaign commitment he made to release his returns. Not even all of the people that opposed his candidacy care about this, like me, for example.
I personally would have preferred Trump to have answered the questions with "no, I'm not going to release them. If we had an honest press, perhaps, but with the shear number of political hacks in the media working under a collapsing veneer of honesty, it would be foolish to give them information that would result in endless distraction from the important work of making America great again."
But misdirection and squishy answers are the norm in DC. why should Trump be held to a higher standard then every prior administration? its absurd.
Maybe, Trump should be held to his own standard? He promised to release his tax returns himself, no one forced him to say that.
And he promised to do so when the audit was complete. Is it complete?
Yeah right. If you really believe that...
Well, your entire rant is based on what he said. What's happened so far is completely consistent with that.
What's happened so far is completely consistent with him LYING about ever having any intention of releasing his tax returns at all, using the "audit" as a very thin pretext for not keeping his promise.
"I will release the returns after the audit is finished."
Audit is ongoing.
Return hasn't been released.
chemjeff: ERMIGAD!!! WORSE THAN HITLER!!
I don't get it either.
Yeah, it's screwy. The guy's position is what it was during the campaign and somehow that amounts to saying his position during the campaign was a lie.
This is by far a more relevant issue than how many people showed up at the inauguration. And Trump's tax returns could provide information that the public should almost certainly know. At the least, transparency would demand that any potential conflicts the returns reveal should be public knowledge. That said, I can understand his reluctance. Releasing the information would almost inevitably open him up to politicized lawsuits or prosecution, especially in light of the complexity and uncertainty of the tax code.
Your concerns about transparency and the public's right to know are duly noted, but it hasn't been the peasantry's place to question their Lord and Master's business for quite a while now. While Obama didn't explicitly run on the premise of being the Messiah, he did little enough to dissuade the faithful who did proclaim him the Messiah. Trump, being the most modest person in the world (and he has the trophies to prove it, too, believe me, he's in the Guinness Book of Records for modesty) merely broadly hinted that he was the Messiah, the Chosen One, the only one capable of redeeming Mankind, and complimented the wisdom of the crowd in recognizing a Messiah when they saw one. You don't question God, you arrogant bastard - have the decency to show some humility and acknowledge that He is superior to you in every way and His is the wisdom that surpasseth understanding.
Realize that we're only a couple days into this administration. People looking for a scandal are already clinging to this for dear life. They're tax returns, I didn't give a fuck about Obama's or any other president's tax returns, I don't care about this one either. Maybe wait for an actual scandal to make bones about a scandal.
"Although Conway claimed "people didn't care" about Trump's tax returns, the fact that he won the election despite refusing to release them does not mean they contain no information of public interest. A CNN poll conducted in late September and early October found that 73 percent of voters thought he should release his tax returns. Last week an ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 74 percent of American adults still thought the public should be able to see the president's returns."
I can't find the break down of demo/rep/ind in the polls. Are these the same polls as the approval that show a 44% demo and only a 24% rep? Or are the October polls showing Hillary winning by a lot?
As someone that voted for Trump (more against Hillary and the status quo), I don't talk to the pollsters.
I really don't care about his tax returns. I called more about the so called Hillary Foundation.
First of all, Kellyanne Conway said Trump's not going to release his tax returns. Just like everybody else, she has no idea what Trump's going to do. Did Trump say he's not going to release his tax returns, did you hear those words come out of his mouth? So what? You also heard him say he was going to release his tax returns, didn't you? What Trump says he's going to do has little enough to do with what he's actually going to do, what somebody else says he's going to do has nothing at all to do with it.
And maybe that's Trump's angle - talk enough shit and people stop paying any attention to what you're saying and then you're free to do whatever the hell you want to do without any discussion or analysis. Trump says he's going to nuke El Salvador? Meh, Trump says a lot of stuff. Then Trump nukes El Salvador and shrugs and says "What's the big deal? I told you I was gonna nuke El Salvador and nobody seemed to care, so I went ahead and did it." And then you find out he nuked El Salvador because the MoMA refused to sell him The Persistence of Memory to hang in the lobby at Trump Tower.
I don't recall who mentioned flourishes and tits at a magic show, but props to you... thats what this is. The Trumpinator, should be careful though as short attentioned they are someone may figure it out.... Watch for an outragious statement that sends the media all aflutter and then a quiet policy statement soon after...
I predict this audit will take at least four more years, possibly eight.
So cynical.
I predict the audit will be done by June and the returns released around 3:30 pm June 30.
If the audit isn't done, he hasn't lied yet.
He's announced, assuming Conaway speaks for him, that he's not planning on keeping his promise. That could change, too. I think an article that pointed out that he isn't planning to release them when the audit is done would be fine, pointing out how this isn't what he said during the campaign. But, even that isn't what Conaway said, after the walkback.
The possible conflicts of interest are a separate issue, and not one, frankly, that the returns will cast much light on. That issue is solved in a different way - divestiture, blind trust, something like that.
The great thing is, nobody will know when the audit is done, unless somebody at the IRS breaks the law and announces it.
To me, its mostly a non-issue, one with its roots in a partisan lie by the Dems. I'll be vaguely disappointed if he never releases, because he said he would, but its just not that big a deal to me in context. Nobody who didn't object to the bullshit medical opinion that Hillary produced during the campaign has much to complain about on this issue, IMO.
but in refusing to do so before the election he broke with the practice of every major-party presidential nominee since 1980.
Oh no, he hasn't adhered to a bullshit tradition, what do we do.
I for one do not care beans about Trump's tax returns. I have no interest in whether he releases them or not.
What I am interested in, and what everyone else should be interested in, are the policies he intends to implement by his administration.
Let's get over this concern about tax returns. All they are is a personal report to an immoral government corporation that shouldn't exist in the first place. If there were no IRS, then no one would have any tax returns to show.