Ohio to Libertarian Party: You Can't Qualify for the Ballot By Winning Votes Since We Won't Let You on the Ballot
One dissenting justice on Ohio Supreme Court says that the group of people who got Johnson on the ballot deserve ballot status even if their candidate appeared as an "independent."
Because of Ohio's long fight against easily letting third parties on their ballot, using some highly questionable tactics, Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate in 2016, appeared on the Ohio ballot as an "independent" rather than with his proper Party identification.
Johnson got 3.17 percent of the Ohio vote, which would normally, in Ohio law, qualify the Party who got it for ballot access, and the ability to have a ballot primary, next time around.
However, according to an opinion from the Ohio Supreme Court last week, Johnson's vote total doesn't count for the L.P.'s future ballot access since the state wouldn't let him on the ballot with his proper Party identification.
From the infuriating decision:
statutes make clear that a political group cannot obtain recognized political-party status based on votes obtained by independent candidates. As Husted [Ohio's secretary of state] notes, the 3 percent vote required for a group to "remain[ ]" a political party must be received by the "political party's candidate," as specified in R.C. 3501.01(F)(2)(a). Fockler's [who sued on behalf of the L.P.] candidates could not be the "political party's candidate[s]" because they were nominated and appeared on the ballot as independent candidates, unaffiliated with any political party….As Husted aptly states, only already-recognized political parties are eligible to "remain[ ]" a political party.
One Supreme Court Justice, William O'Neill, dissented and thought the L.P. should have won their ballot access because:
Husted[]opposes [the L.P.'s] request based on the fact that [its] candidates did not run under the Libertarian Party banner in 2016. That is, at best, circular reasoning. It would not have been possible for Gary Johnson and Bill Weld to run as the candidates of the Libertarian Party as there was no such party recognized by the state of Ohio. That is what this lawsuit is all about…..
At issue in this matter are the statutory definitions of the terms "political party" in R.C. 3517.01(A)(1) and "minor political party" in R.C. 3501.01(F)(2). Respondent would like us to read these provisions together to conclude that relators cannot be a "political party" because they do not qualify as a "minor political party." This interpretation is unreasonable. The umbrella section immediately above the definition of "minor political party," R.C. 3501.01(F), defines "political party" as "any group of voters meeting the requirements set forth in section 3517.01 of the Revised Code for the formation and existence of a political party."….
Using the same phrase, "any group of voters"…, R.C. 3517.01(A)(1) provides that a group of voters may acquire political party status by meeting either of two alternative requirements, (a) or (b). R.C. 3517.01(A)(1)(a) provides that the definition of "political party" is met if "at the most recent regular state election, the group polled for its candidate for governor in the state or nominees for presidential electors at least three per cent of the entire vote cast for that office."…That is exactly what happened here….
[The people suing for ballot status] allege that they are the "group of voters" that nominated Johnson and Weld to appear on the most recent presidential-election ballot, that the candidates they nominated received 3.17 percent of the total votes cast in that election, and that they would now like recognition as a political party.
[The State of Ohio] denies only one of these allegations in his answer: that [the people suing] were the people who nominated Johnson and Weld. [They] have provided more than sufficient evidence in support of their statement that they were the group that nominated Johnson and Weld,…Whether or not [those suing] want to be called the "Libertarian Party"— they do not say so in their complaint—is not dispositive. That they received support from a group calling itself the Libertarian Party of Ohio is equally irrelevant. The Revised Code says nothing about that. These five people could call themselves the Pizza Party, for all that matters…
Regardless, those suing should be able to get the Party name of their choice on the ballot next time, because of Johnson's vote totals. Alas, the majority of the Ohio Supreme Court disagreed.
Ohio's election code, for those who want to play along at home.
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Deep Dish is not pizza.
It is a casserole.
Some men just can't be reached, and so, you get what we had here today... [sounds of woodchippers humming to life]
And this is why Ohio has produced more astronauts than any other state: something about the place just makes people want to leave the planet.
A state of 'firsts.'
This.
Can this be challenged somehow? Certainly there is at least something in common law about laws with circular reasoning. Or did nobody think legislators would be stupid/assholish enough to enact a law based on circular logic?
I would hope so. But I won't hold my breath
I'm pretty sure everyone thinks both legislators and judges are assholish enough to do anything they damn well want to - except legislators and judges who are both assholish enough to do anything they damn well want to
I am ignorant of the nittygritty details, but along your line of reasoning . . .
Why can't the group that administered the Johnson/Weld ballot vote, having been forced to call themselves independent, but now having won ballot status, post hoc simply change their name to the Ohio Libertarian Party?
There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.
An absolutely excellent book.
The movie was pretty damned good too, actually...
It's a hell of a catch, that catch 22.
Except this isn't a Catch-22. Gary Johnson could have cleared the more difficult hurdle to qualify as a third party candidate in which case his votes would have qualified the LP for ballot access. That was too hard for the titty babies in the Ohio LP. Tough. Life is hard. Don't whine when you opt for the convient solution only to have it blow up in your face.
Maybe you can cite the "proper" way that Johnson and the LP should have done things that only you seem to be privy to.
There is an independent petition and a party petition which requires more signatures to get on the ballot. They used the independent petition.
Ok, so future LP candidates can still appear on the ballot using the same process, but they won't be able to have LP next to their name?
I would imagine that they would have to collect signatures again rather than having automatic access. But yes.
Some things I can find:
- The legislative history of the bill that changed Ohio's rules in 2013
- The text of that bill
- The Ohio ACLU's summary/opinion of the bill's effects
Basically, the LP will have to start over from square one as an unrecognized party and it looks like they will need to get about 55,000 signatures with 8 of the Congressional districts contributing at least 500 each to get back on the ballot.
It's not clear to me what already happened and why they chose to go with the "placeholder candidate" this year.
Alright so the piece I was missing is this bit about independent candidates. Basically, if you get 11x as many signatures, then you get an extra 3 months to pick your nominee. If you can only get 5,000 signatures, then the deadline to file is 1 day prior to the primary election rather than 90 days prior to the general election.
So there is some BS here, but it's not insurmountable. That having been said, the law does seem carefully designed to trip up "minor" parties.
And after all of this replying to myself, it seems that Doherty linked the entire Ohio electoral code in his post. Oh well.
Life is hard.
Who knew the Ohio state legislature was equal to God in setting the terms of life?
OT. Anybody seen this before? Supposedly Milton Friedman and a very young, very skinny Michael Moore. Is that really MM?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7Fi8I-qOk
I don't think so?
Doesn't look at all like Moore to me. From the comments, a picture of young Michael.
OMG my eyes
I didn't know Michael Moore was Meatloaf. Learn something new every day.
I don't want to know what Michael Moore would do for love.
Yes, that is a famous youtube. I watch it whenever Moore pisses me off.
mmmmm......pizza party.
now that party would've gotten into the debates!
Anyone in the Ohio LP dreamed of blowing up the gov's mansion in Columbus?
Irony! Limo torched in DC protests belongs to Muslim immigrant, may cost $70,000 in damages
He sounds rich so fair game.
"Plus if the anarchists hadn't made their brave stand, Trump would have deported this guy to an Islamic country, which would have been horrible...oops, I mean it would have been great, no, uh, let me check my talking points..."
Apparently they used the independent petition which requires fewer signatures than the party petition to get on the ballot. If so the decision makes some sense.
Exactly. Libertarians really really don't like having to follow inconvient rules- even though freedom doesn't exist without the rule of law.
freedom doesn't exist without the rule of law
The only thing standing between freedom and slavery is ballot access law!
Fuck you, that's why.
I am interested in the trend of individuals doing things like this. Note especially the "Wanted" items for the guy who sucker-punched Richard Spencer, or the woman who set the Trump supporter's hair on hair. And recently, in Canada, Ezra Levant put up a reward for identifying a man who punched his reporter, and the guy was identified in less than a day. This seems to have a libertarian aspect....
First step towards assassination politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell
Interesting link, thanks.
Agree, crazy link.
You lose because you were always meant to lose. It is known.
A libertarian was not meant to sit the iron throne!
Come on, guys, sometimes you have to look at the intent of legisl'n rather than just its literal meaning. Why would they have created 2 different ways for a candidate to get on the ballot if they weren't supposed to have different consequences for the parties involved?