Alt-Right Leader Richard Spencer Got Punched in the Face, and That's Wrong

Rioters at President Trump's inauguration just don't get it.

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There were isolated examples of violence and property destruction at the Trump inauguration protests in Washington, D.C. on Friday—and one of the victims was alt-right leader Richard Spencer.

Spencer, who can accurately be described as a white nationalist, was being interviewed on camera when a protester walked up to him and punched him in the face.

Spencer holds truly reprehensible views, and he deserves less of the media's attention. But he doesn't deserve what he got today. Violence is never okay, no matter how despicable its target.

Striking Spencer isn't just morally wrong—it's tactically foolish. It allows him to play the victim. It directs the spotlight toward him. And, inevitably, it grants him sympathy.

Don't fight fascism by acting like a fascist.

Video of @RichardBSpencer getting punched by protester. pic.twitter.com/zx0UAX0Yaj

— The Current Year (@TheeCurrentYear) January 20, 2017

Comments

[DenverJ]

Meh, I find it hard to muster too much sympathy. And, yes, sometimes violence is acceptable (although not in this case).

[commodious is fated to pretend]

...Are you threatening me?

[RBS]

Do you need TP for your bunghole?

[Sour Kraut]

+1 house fire

[MarkLastname]

Back off loser, he was clearly threatening me.

[Jickerson]

Violence is acceptable when you're defending yourself or others from an imminent physical threat, and to some extent, in a few other cases involving property as well. Violence is never acceptable just because someone said something perceived to be offensive or insulting, and if someone resorts to violence over such a thing, they're the aggressors and should be punished accordingly.

[The Fusionist]

I wouldn't have thought that anyone at Reason would have to go to great lengths to oppose face-punching.

[darius404]

I thought face-punching was the only form of violence we approved of.

[GILMORE?]

and pussy grabbing

[Rhywun]

*checks calendar*

Yup.

[Playa Manhattan.]

MOLON LABIA

[ThomasD]

Given that libertarian authors have become isolated examples at Reason you maybe shouldn't be too surprised.

[Hank Phillips]

Robby would, if the punchee were a fellow YAFfer.

[esteve7]

OT: Bay Area Reasonoids --- To any Kung Pow fans, there's a screening Sunday night with Steve Oedekerk at the Alamo Drafthouse. 15 Year Anniversary!

[Crusty Juggler]

Say hi to Betty for me.

[The Fusionist]

Now I'm interested - what are Richard Spencer's positions?

[Crusty Juggler]

It's almost as though if you could search for information on the Internet before asking such a question.

[Charles Easterly]

Minor pause, Crusty.

Could you retype that for us in the event that some of us missed what it was that you originally typed?

[The Fusionist]

Hey, I was looking, see below.

[straffinrun]

You didn't look HARD ENOUGH.

[Rhywun]

I'm curious if he call himself "alt-right" or if Robby's just following the NYT style guide.

[Crusty Juggler]

He was a big part of the infamous, recent alt-right conference. He may even call himself a white nationalist.

[John Titor]

Hell yes Spencer calls himself alt-right. Jared Taylor's the one who (I believe) doesn't use the term 'alt-right' but instead he's a 'race realist' (also, way less anti-Semitic than most of the alt-right).

[Heroic Mulatto]

While he didn't coin it, he's basically the one who popularized the term.

[Rhywun]

Fair enough. I wasn't sure if his ilk co?pted it or invented it.

[marshaul]

Don't do that thing. With the diaeresis. The New Yorker has always been pretentious.

Except na?ve. That one has etymological pedigree.

[RAHeinlein]

Robbie called him a fascist...clearly received the memo.

[Apatheist ?_??]

But... he is?

[Deven]

Seems to me most people don't understand the word fascist.

Horrible racist and anti-semite, sure, but I doubt they're actually fascists. It is an actual political ideology that is very similar to progressivism, the progressives just place blame for all their troubles on different groups of people than Hitler did.

[Deven]

Then again, I don't know much about the alt-right at all. I don't pay attention to them. Maybe they are militaristic socialists?

[Hank Phillips]

Yes. A fascist is a Christian Socialist. This is why Orwell reasoned "we" would never have a definition of the term. Trotsky and Lenin both published garbled screed purporting to define the term. In fact both produced a Red Faith version of glossolalia. If you take soviet glossolalia and add some christian carpet-biting, the result closely mimics fascism. There is a commie blog titled hitlerwasacapitalist that sermonizes at great length how Hitler was in fact a sort of libertarian capitalist alt-right and not a "left" politician as reported in the Ladies' Home Journal in 1933. (Homemaking with Hitler)

[John Titor]

He writes for Radix.

[Hyperion]

I clicked on that. Not really wanting to read into that so much to figure out what Radix is. Do you know? Are they like those weird guys at the airport who try to give you literature? I can't remember their names now, but everyone knows who they are, I mean their name, not necessarily what the bullshit they are spewing is.

[John Titor]

Radix is one of the primary online 'journals' for the alt-right, where they discuss current issues/historical issues from an alt-right perspective pretty much in the same way Reason does for libertarianism. If you want to know what the "real" alt-right is like (at least a general overview, since they tend to be a coalition of different interests that only really share white nationalism and anti-Semitism) and not the caricature spewed by the media or Clinton they're one of the better platforms to dig into.

[Hyperion]

I'm almost interested. Maybe later. I still don't have any idea WTF the alt-right is.

[Suthenboy]

Neither does anyone else Hyp.

[westernsloper]

My take is, the alt-right can be whatever any given journalist wants it to be. It is a lazy way of grouping people. It groups KKK types with protectionist trade policy preachers like Trump.

[MarkLastname]

At this point, it basically means anyone who isn't a leftist. It was at least a coherent concept back when it meant nationalist populism, racialism, and neo-fascism (i.e., 'right wing' ideas distinct from 'traditional' small government Christian conservatism).

Now people use the term to mean 'really conservative' which, to the average prog, means anyone to from the center on rightward. Even libertarian ideas are now called alt right, which is odd since classical liberalism, not modern progressivism, is the philosophical antithesis of 'right wing populism.' Libertarian is individualist, while alt righters and leftists are both communitarian, just with different visions for how the state should reshape our 'community.'

[PapayaSF]

I'd say the alt-right is nationalist, anti-neocon, anti-RINO, anti-establishment conservative, and of course very anti-left and anti-SJW. There's a strong traditionalist aspect, but not really "social conservative" in the 1990s sense, despite affinities and connections with paleocons like Pat Buchanan. Many at least toy with ideas like neo-monarchism and white ethnic separatism. There is often, unfortunately, a strong anti-Semitic streak in the movement. I don't think the Nazi element is as strong as portrayed. Part of that is trolling opponents. I think it's actually easier to find explicit, outright Communists on the left than it is to find Nazis or KKK members in the alt-right.

See also: Mencius Moldbug, Taki's magazine.

[ThomasD]

I mostly agree with your analysis. The only fly in the ointment is that it remains socially acceptable to proclaim one's self a Marxist, but not a fascist.

[OneOut]

needz moar labels.

[marshaul]

Let's not let the regressive left dictate our use of language. I'm still refusing them the term "liberal", and will do so if I'm the last man standing ].

[DenverJ]

Hari Krishnas

[EDG reppin LBC]

Gesundheit!

[DenverJ]

Thank you

[MarkLastname]

That's 'Danke.'

[DenverJ]

She's hot, for a NASCAR chick.

[Hank Phillips]

The LaRouche Fusion Foundation? Much the same. The Fusion fascists lurked airports and foamed rabidly against letting people smoke plants--while screeching in mistranslated English that nuclear energy was wonderful. Petr Beckmann understood them to be an antinuclear cult relying on mimesis to make energy look bad--much the way ku-klux GO-Pee splinter groups make free minds and free markets look bad. They are what communists point to while assuring readers libertarians lynch in sheets and run death camps because right, and because non-coercion and non-aggression is, like, Hitler. The impressive part is how BOTH religions despise rules of inference.

[Ted S.]

Missionary.

[straffinrun]

"This video has been removed from You Tube for violating it's policy on harassment and bullying."

FFS.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Did got add that errant apostrophe or was that all YouTube?

[straffinrun]

BULLY!

[Pro Libertate]

Say, where is the Techno Viking, anyway?

[The Fusionist]

He seems to be a white nationalist type

"Donald Trump is a step towards this new normal. But even he is deeply compromised by the perversions that define this decadent society. Donald Trump warred against segregated establishments. He supports affirmative action, or put more bluntly, state-sponsored discrimination against whites. He will be perhaps the most pro-Zionist president ever put into office, turning a blind eye to continued Jewish settlement in the Palestinian territories. He opposes the Iran nuclear deal, which, we should admit, isn't exactly that bad. He has, let us remember, left the door open for some kind of amnesty at some future date, talking about keeping "the good ones" in the country."

[GILMORE?]

and That's Wrong

Really a missed opportunity for "Not Okay"

[AlmightyJB]

Be better

[See Double You]

Read a little after the title. Robby did not miss his opportunity to troll.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

"To be sure, he does look like a Nazi."

[Cloudbuster]

And if there's one thing that's definitely OK in today's America, it's judging people by superficial external characteristics!

[The Fusionist]

Here's something he posted on his Twitter feed today:

"Chuck Schumer is speaking.

"It's generous of Trump to allow a representative of a foreign nation to address Americans."

Does that mean what I think it means?

[Rhywun]

(((New York)))?

[The Fusionist]

Sounds like it.

[Swiss Servator]

Moobia?

[Hank Phillips]

And speaking of mimesis and Fusion Foundation moles...

[Bra Ket]

What I got from this article is the author supports white nationalism.

[GILMORE?]

Spencer, who can accurately be described as a white nationalist

if there were no question about the accuracy of the description, you wouldn't need to assert that its A-OK to say so before doing so.

Also, isn't the term "White Nationalist" capitalized, to distinguish "White Nationhood" from the mere characteristic of "being white" and also having "nationalist" impulses?

I think its fucking stupid in either case. what does the dude actually call himself? - call him that, and stop engaging in this performative bullshit to let everyone know you're on board with the Twitter Groupthink du jour.

[Not a True MJG]

C-

[GILMORE?]

I wouldn't have given it a grade at all. "Incomplete"

[american socialist]

D+

[Hank Phillips]

And speaking of National Socialists...
I wish the Trumpets of Armageddon and Green Global Warmers (and Sharia Sand-Berserkers) would always schedule rallies at the same time and place. All variants LOVE the initiation of force and can share that generously. Plus, there would be no need to outlaw dogfights. Indeed, an Uberized version of AirBnB would go viral selling tickets to watch from windows overlooking the mel?e. We could name it ALLQUIET.app

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Spoken like a true SJW, Gilmore. Let's call people by their self-identified labels.

[marshaul]

He calls himself a "white nationalist".

[The Fusionist]

This should be interesting

"RACE?STALKING THE WILD TABOO

"F. ROGER DEVLIN & RICHARD B. SPENCER ? JULY 6, 2016

"...Though races differ in countless areas, one of the most obvious and instructive is athletic performance....

"...The Bell Curve merely popularized information that had long been familiar to specialists.

"And much larger differences can be found around the world. Black Africans have an average IQ of around 70. Australian Aborigines are even lower at 62. Northeast Asians, including Chinese, Japanese and Koreans, average 105, slightly higher than Europeans. Ashkenazi Jews average as high as 112 (or even higher according to some estimates).

"Astronomers before Copernicus would diagram epicycles within epicycles to account for the movement of the stars in an geocentric universe. Similarly, scholars committed to the idea of natural racial equality have gone to great lengths developing complicated theories to account for mysteries such as persistent African poverty and widespread Jewish success."

[GILMORE?]

dude, i read Vdare's stuff like 10 years ago. I don't need a refresher.

[The Fusionist]

I'm just confirming that he's an actual white nationalist type, the sort of thing John warned about - identity politics for whites.

[GILMORE?]

"type"

there's no doubt him and his ilk have racist views. they wouldn't deny it.

calling them "White Nationalists" is something very specific and implies a whole range of political goals which don't necessarily overlap with merely being racist cuts. And it should be noted that many of the people that the press likes to slap the "White Nationalist" label on are quite clearly Not

The term "White Nationalist" is just something that the media has ginned up to make "Alt-Right" more easily demonized as completely outside the pale, and to tar anyone associated with it as 'all the same'.

Its very possible the Racist Asshat Richard Spenser actually has "White Nationalist" beliefs and has articulated them clearly somewhere.

Its also very possible (Nay, likely) that many of the people in the media (like Robby) calling him that term have no idea whether he has or hasn't, and wouldn't know where to look if he did. Because they're fucking intellectually lazy, dishonest cunts who simply repeat whatever they think is the popular-consensus.

[GILMORE?]

...don't necessarily overlap with merely being racist cunts.

[The Fusionist]

I looked up Spencer's own words because I wasn't going to rely on a journalistic summary.

He's into white identity politics. He believes in the genetic inequality of the races. He doesn't like Jews.

That doesn't mean that every accusation of alt-rightism is correct, simply that it sure seems to fit this guy.

[GILMORE?]

He believes in the genetic inequality of the races. He doesn't like Jews

You'd be surprised how many other "Not White Nationalists"-people those things actually apply to.

That doesn't mean that every accusation of alt-rightism is correct, simply that it sure seems to fit this guy.

as i said, i don't think anyone (including them) would dispute that he has lots of "racist" arguments. tho i think they prefer some other terms, like Identitarian or "Race-Realist" or whatever.

The point i was making was that "having racist ideas" /= makes someone a "White Nationalist", which seems to me a very specific and narrow set of political ideas which AFAIK he's never actually been associated with. Like these people.

[The Fusionist]

I'll be in my bunker.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Well, I hate to break it to you, but...

Our dream is a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans. It would be a new society based on very different ideals than, say, the Declaration of Independence.

--Richard Spencer, from a 2013 interview with Vice

[The Fusionist]

He's talking about Portland, Oregon, isn't he?

[The Fusionist]

His chilling manifestos

[Heroic Mulatto]

You joke, but the Pacific Northwest is pointed to as a prime candidate for an Altneuland by many of them.

[GILMORE?]

I also think its essential to link to this whenever the topic comes up.

[Heroic Mulatto]

That is the most accurate depiction of the HnR commentariat that I've seen.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Well, it's the whitest part of the country. Besides Maine.

[Quincy.]

Put a bird on it!

[GILMORE?]

Well there you go then.

when the guy says, "our" there, he's talking about the NPI, right?

My beef in particular is caused by the fact that since the election, everyone from Bannon to Milo to anyone who has ever tweeted a Pepe Meme has been branded "White Nationalist" for even the most tenuous association with 'alt-rightness'.

If people were careful enough to say, "Spenser is the leader of the NPI, a white-nationalist group" or whatever other formulation, i'd find it a shitload more professional than just throwing the label out there and expecting people to take the journalist's word for it. because their word isn't worth shit.

[Crusty Juggler]

My beef in particular is caused by the fact that since the election, everyone from Bannon to Milo to anyone who has ever tweeted a Pepe Meme has been branded "White Nationalist" for even the most tenuous association with 'alt-rightness'.

Right. In this case it's true, though.

[GILMORE?]

Right. In this case it's true, though.

as i said above =

Its very possible the Racist Asshat Richard Spenser actually has "White Nationalist" beliefs and has articulated them clearly somewhere.

the problem with just slapping labels on people sans any specifics is that they have a tendency to go overboard, at which point the term begins to be suspect.

[Heroic Mulatto]

when the guy says, "our" there, he's talking about the NPI, right?

I read it as either that, or just everyone attending the NPI-sponsored conference.

[TheZeitgeist]

He believes in the genetic inequality of the races. He doesn't like Jews...

...You'd be surprised how many other "Not White Nationalists"-people those things actually apply to.

Louis Farrakhan, White Nationalist.

Wait a sec...

[Episteme]

The point seems to be the distinction between White Identity Politics and White Nationalism ? which media discussions ignore ? by analogy, consider the distinction between mainstream progressive Black Identity Politics (a la Te-Niihau Coates) versus Black Nationalism (a la Marcus Garvey).

[Hank Phillips]

Izzat anything like racial collectivism?

[The Fusionist]

"No doubt, many scientists, historians, and sociologists have attempted to cancel or redeem this bloody and painful history by denying the existence of race or imaging a kind of "psychic unity of manhood." But this is to adopt an entirely unscientific and unserious perspective on history and mankind. A more realistic attitude is to conclude that racial competition will end in unhappiness and tragedy....

"Race and crime are related in the sense that a propensity to crime is strongly correlated to lower intelligence, shorter "time horizons" and ability to plan for the future, as well as other factors such as higher testosterone levels and lower impulse control....

"...the only people who do not seem to have any preference for their own race are those who suffer from a condition called Williams Syndrome. They have no fear of strangers or the unknown, and are sometimes described as "hypersocial." They are also usually mentally retarded and suffer from other problems....

"...Race is an indispensable source of identity for individuals around the world and one of the most consistent and revealing predictive mechanisms in the social sciences. Race's impact on history, culture, science, technology, war, achievement, and the arts is only now coming to be fully understood....

"Put simply, we avoid thinking seriously about race at the cost of our future."

[GILMORE?]

eddie, you're the only person who doesn't already know their whole steez

[The Fusionist]

I read Vdare some time back, I just wanted to see if this guy was in the same ballpark, which he is.

[John Titor]

To be fair there's still some people on Reason who respond to anything involving the alt-right with "the alt-right doesn't exist and was made up by the MSM."

[The Fusionist]

There's usually some fire behind the smoke...I found this out when reading up on the McCarthy era - surprise, there actually *were* commies, they weren't made up by evil plutocrats.

Likewise, the alt right wasn't made up by SJW hysterics. It's just that the SJWs want to tar everyone with this brush.

[MarkLastname]

Fabricating boogeymen outright isn't particularly effectual. It's far easier to exaggerate and embellish things that do exist. Terrorism, Mexican rapists, global warming, sex traffickers are all real things. The art of politics is to exaggerate and categorize all who don't accept the exaggeration as deniers, apologist, or whatever.

[Heroic Mulatto]

"...the only people who do not seem to have any preference for their own race are those who suffer from a condition called Williams Syndrome. They have no fear of strangers or the unknown, and are sometimes described as "hypersocial." They are also usually mentally retarded and suffer from other problems....

I've always thought there was some correlation with extreme xenophobia and autism. Perhaps both conditions stemming from the same cause*. Indeed, they are often co-morbid. In a way, Williams Syndrome is the opposite of autism. It's interesting to see that a xenophobic autist's take on it confirms my hunch.

[Heroic Mulatto]

*No, not vaccines, you twit!

[John Titor]

Chemtrails? It's chemtrails isn't it.

[Swiss Servator]

Jenkem.

[DenverJ]

Chlorinated drinking water

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

Air.

[LurkinInaBuildin]

Tricknology, baby.

[Hank Phillips]

That's fluoridated drinking water, Mandrake! Commies poisoning Our Precious Essence!

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I wonder if anyone has read Neuro Tribes. It is on my list, but I haven'the gotten to it yet. I have been interested in understanding more about autism, since I am interested in the Other.

[Cloudbuster]

I find it interesting that there's more discussion about whether those ideas are racist than whether they're true.

[marshaul]

You would. That's why you comment alone.

D'oh!

[Ken Shultz]

"Violence is never okay, no matter how despicable its target."

Unless you're on the battlefield, right?

Or unless someone is breaking into your house and you're defending yourself.

Or unless you're willing to go do the time. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, but if you're willing to do the time?

Evel Knievel went that route. Plead guilty, he said, because he was guilty.

[american socialist]

Also taxes. Don't forget that. When you open your TaxAct software that's a form of violence.

[Heroic Mulatto]

You know, you're able to deduct your child's chemotherapy expenses.

I don't know why you're dander is all up.

[Heroic Mulatto]

your

[See Double You]

HM, would you enlighten me as to this thing about amsoc's kid having cancer?

[Heroic Mulatto]

I trolled the troll.

He responded with white hot tears of impotent rage, and I milked him like the lolcow he is.

[Heroic Mulatto]

And all I had to do was quote the lyrics of a song.

[RAHeinlein]

Soave needs to read Starship Troopers.

[Sir Digby Chicken Caesar]

Well, to be fair, we all do.

[Chip Your Pets]

It would be easier to just watch the movie, wouldn't it?

[The Fusionist]

Basically, with regard to intelligence, he sees whites as occupying some kind of Goldilocks position between crafty Jews and conformist Asians on the ultra-intelligent end, and black people on the less intelligent end.

[Quincy.]

Whatever. He has a stupid haircut. That's all you need to know.

[DenverJ]

You know who else had a stupid haircut?

[Quincy.]

Everybody in the '80's?

[Rhywun]

I resembled that statement - well into the 00's actually.

[DenverJ]

Bullshit. I had the best mullet ever. I ROCKED the mullet. Don Johnson was fucking jealous of my mullet.

[The Fusionist]

I noticed that, I wonder if it's an accident?

[Rhywun]

It's a thing.

TW: WaPo and I feel dirty just for visiting it

[TheZeitgeist]

Say what you will about the haircut, it framed the target nicely.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Someone who deserves to get punched?

[See Double You]

Trump?

[DenverJ]

Nice. You win.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

But where's the cut part?

[DenverJ]

Nothing left to cut

[Tyler.C]

Don't figaht fascism by acting like a fascist

But want that our strategy in world war two?

[BigT]

"Don't fight fascism by acting like a fascist."

Doesn't anyone know what fascism is? This term gets tossed around so carelesly it has become anything someone doesn't like.

Words mean things.

[Texasmotiv]

Thank you. Also heap: racist, sexist, homophobe on that pile too.

[AlmightyJB]

Sometimes people do deserve to be punched in the face.

[GILMORE?]

true.

i didn't hear what he was talking about. the impression i got from the video clip with the sound off was that he was sucker punched by someone he wasn't even having any direct exchange with

[GILMORE?]

lol

i just went and watched the video with the sound on. He was rather exasperatedly saying,

"No, i'm not a neo-nazi"

(aren't you in the KKK)

"No, the KKK actually hate me"

(more questions)

(he starts to reach into his pocket to hand out what i presume is his Unique Form of Racism Pamphlet when some masked punk cold-cocks him)

[The Fusionist]

These rival racist organizations tend not to like each other very much. It's like the scene in Life of Bryan with the various Jewish factions, except without Jews of course.

[TheZeitgeist]

Cue neo-Nazi standing up all surprised in middle of People's Judean Liberation Front meeting.

[darius404]

It's like that with any spectrum of people with minority views. They all purity test themselves into smaller and smaller factions, that hate each other over the smallest damn disagreements.

[DenverJ]

Almost like Libertarians

[DOOMco]

What did you just say??
*prepares for fistycuffs*

[Groovus Maximus]

Almost?!?

[American Memer]

I suppose the difference is that libertarians are at least supposed to be able to tolerate differences in opinion. As far as I can tell, hardcore racists are generally terrible at dealing with people who are different from them at all; those who aren't generally stop being racists eventually. (See Daryl Davis.)

[PapayaSF]

Actually, there are a number of Jews in the alt-right.

[John Titor]

Sucker punching is the method of a coward. A proper gentleman would challenge him to a duel and establish a specific location where the authorities could not interfere.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Sucker Punch was also a terrible film by Zach Snyder that even a bevy of hot women couldn't save.

[John Titor]

a terrible film by Zach Snyder

I thought you of all people would know what a tautology is.

[Heroic Mulatto]

I liked the Watchmen movie.

Fuck Alan Moore.

[John Titor]

I'm not sure how to feel here. I lose respect for the first sentence, but it's immediately restored with the second.

[Groovus Maximus]

Sucker Punch was also a terrible film

You wouldn't last very long in Russia, HM, speaking such things. Prolly not in Eastern Euro-landia in general, as it's something of a cult classic in Slavotopia.

[buybuydandavis]

Sucker Punch was awesome!

[Cloudbuster]

The bevy of hot women saved it if you were only there to ogle the bevy of hot women.

[Lachowsky]

We could do worse than striking anti dueling laws from the books.

[TheZeitgeist]

Hamilton was a hit, even before the musical.

[American Memer]

*slow clap*

[MarkLastname]

Don't you have to smack the person with your glove to challenge them to a duel?

[DenverJ]

If you put a brick in the glove, you win before the duel even happens.

[John Titor]

Traditional code duello is just that you have to make the challenge vocally in public.

[TheZeitgeist]

Brick also works there.

[Butts Wagner]

Abortion apology?

[LurkinInaBuildin]

I once suckerpunched a very dear friend after he showed up drunk to the funeral of another friend who had passed away of alcoholism. Yes it did feel cowardly, though I was actually held back by a couple guys from continuing to beat him. I cried like a baby over the whole shitshow the next day.

Thus endeth that particular epic tale. Thanks for the free therapy, internet.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Dang.

[BigT]

Man, you must have been wasted!

[The Fusionist]

Maybe if they're trying to punch someone else in the face, not if they're expressing racist views.

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

Oh I'm sorry you got punched in the face, american socialist.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Wow, what do you say after that one?

[american socialist]

No, that was my doppelg?nger. I'm ok. Thanks.

[The Fusionist]

This is a problem that challenges the intelligence even of a vulcan

[american socialist]

It's not that complicated. I'm american socialist. The other one that flatters me more than he/she knows is American sociaiist.

[The Fusionist]

That's what someone *pretending* to be american socialist would say.

[american socialist]

Don't panic. A reliable indicator is that I won't be using whatever dumb shit some 18 year protester says, Hollywood liberals, or The Media to justify the invasion and occupation of whatever small country stands in the way of Trump Inc.

[John Titor]

I don't know which one to shoot!

Oh wait, you used an umlaut. I don't think real amsoc is intelligent enough to figure out the alt keys for that.

[The Fusionist]

Clever

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

My money would be on a wikipedia or online dictionary copy & paste.

[Warty]

Haven't you murdered your children and killed yourself yet? Hurry up.

[straffinrun]

Where my LGBT page gone?

[Rhywun]

I'm going to go throw a wall on myself before Pence can do it.

[Jerryskids]

My first instinct - nobody knows who this guy is so why would some random protestor just punch him in the face? Getting punched in the face on live TV has probably attracted more attention to him than he's ever had in his life. I'm not saying the face-punching was staged, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was. The guy's all into the identity politics crap, why wouldn't he adopt similar tactics as the rest of them like a nice staged hate crime?

Plus, c'mon, the guy looks pretty butch, like the sort that might enjoy getting punched in the face. You think it's just a coincidence that those sorts are heavily into the black leather and the spiffy uniforms and the military regalia?

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

Pretty sure he got way more press during that dumb press conference where some troglodytes did a Nazi salute.

[Crusty Juggler]

Truth. He also inspires this sort of stuff.

The police in Whitefish, Mont., said Tuesday that they have stepped up patrols and are working with the F.B.I. after a neo-Nazi and white supremacist website listed the names and contacts of local Jews, calling on readers to "take action" against them.

Lt. Bridger Kelch of the Police Department in the town in northwestern Montana said that the force was taking the measures after the website, The Daily Stormer, on Friday published phone numbers, work locations, email addresses, and photographs of six Flathead County residents. Several of those targeted were from Whitefish where Sherry Spencer, the mother of the white nationalist leader Richard B. Spencer, lives and owns a building that has been the subject of protests.

[The Fusionist]

He sounds like a truly charming fellow.

[westernsloper]

On Saturday, Mr. Spencer's father joined her in writing an op-ed article in The Daily Inter Lake stating that their son and the National Policy Institute "have never had, do not have and will not in the future have" activities at the downtown building.

"We do not endorse the idea of white nationalism," they wrote.

The hubub is about the racists getting pissed when "activists" started threatening Spencer's parents for their sons views which they apparently do not share. I am not sure how threatening the parents of an asshole gets your point across even if he does visit the town sometimes .

[The Fusionist]

Right, but retaliating against local Jews?

[westernsloper]

Ya, well that is where the Daily Storm nut balls come in. I guess they assume it was the evil Jews doing the threatening because it is always the Jews that are the problem in their eyes.

[The Fusionist]

These thugs are the people who would be in control in Spencer's white ethno-republic. For all his yammering about science, that's who he'll rely on to maintain his non-Declaration-of-Independence principles.

Intellectuals spin the theories about freedom and dignity being illusions, and the dirtbag thugs implement the details.

[westernsloper]

These thugs are the people who would be in control in Spencer's white ethno-republic. For all his yammering about science, that's who he'll rely on to maintain his non-Declaration-of-Independence principles.

There will never be a white ethno-republic. It is idiocy. The thugs should be ignored just as they have been for decades and they go underground and away. They are always there, but few in number and up until the media needed to tie Trump to them to promote Hillary, irrelevant.

[Cloudbuster]

Is it idiocy because there are no ethno-republics?

[PapayaSF]

I have not looked into it, but there is some sort dispute involving a Jewish real estate agent supposedly trying to take advantage of Spencer's mother. So AFAIK, it's not that the Daily Stormer types decided to target some random Jews in a remote location.

[MarkLastname]

"Whitefish..."
Because of course a town called Whitefish would produce a white supremacist.

[DenverJ]

How many Jews live in Whitefish, Montana? Is there even (((one)))?

[Heroic Mulatto]

With a name like "whitefish," you'd expect there to be a lot.

[DenverJ]

Yes, but it's (((Montana)))

[Heroic Mulatto]

Right. They changed the state's name at Ellis Island.

It was originally "Montanawitz".

[DenverJ]

Ah. Now that makes sense.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Say what you want, but his ex-wife is thicc.

[GILMORE?]

swarthier than i expected

[C. Anacreon]

You can't fool me.
That's Flo from the Progressive commercials.

[SIV]

Now that's a girl you could take to a good fish camp buffet on a first date.

[The Fusionist]

Funny you should say "camp"...

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Probably turned him to the cause 'cuz that girl is thicKKK.

[Heroic Mulatto]

She has a bit of the crazy too.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

She's thick, alright.

[SIV]

I think I'm in love.

[Groovus Maximus]

She has a bit of the crazy too.

How so?

[Sir Digby Chicken Caesar]

Umm...DANG!

[SIV]

The President and First Lady are dancin to "My Way" as I type. I wish they'd gone with the best version.

[The Fusionist]

And here is Trump doing his own dance

[Slumbrew]

That song remains a total jam.

[Crusty Juggler]

I assume Nancy Sinatra is up on the blog somewhere.

[SIV]

Yeah, there's a shot of her wearing a bra I posted back in 2009-10. Unless it got DMCA-downed, which I highly doubt.

[Crusty Juggler]

Flaming garbage can plus llama guy!

[The Fusionist]

The Flaming Garbage Can Llamas? Yeah, I saw them on their reunion tour.

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

It was totally worth the trip. Just kidding. Even the trashcan burning looked impotent. Can't these snowflakes do anything right?

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Could we ask you to disable your adblocker?

You can ask.

[The Fusionist]

Now, i go by the name of the king Ad Block
I don't wear a cup nor a jock
I bring the shit that's beyond bizarre
Like miss piggy
Who moi
I am the one with the clientele.
You say, "Ad Block, you block so well"

[GILMORE?]

My god, that picture.

[Crusty Juggler]

It's woke, yo.

[Domestic Dissident]

Wow, it's an article by Rico bemoaning the fact that most of his fellow leftists are too fucking stupid to understand how to execute Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals properly! Where have we seen that before? Oh right, it's the theme of almost every fucking piece that he writes.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Don't you mean Freako Soavgay?

[Swiss Servator]

Throbby Soul Wave

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

+1

[Crusty Juggler]

Pinko So Gay.

[GILMORE?]

Slobby Guavay

[lap83]

If someone ever asks if you want one of those - do not say yes.

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

Wow, it's an article by Pico bemoaning the fact that most of his fellow leftists are too fucking stupid to understand how to execute Paul Pinsky's Pools for Sporadicals properly! Where have we seen that before? Oh right, it's the theme of almost every fucking piece that he writes.

[Sevo]

CA threatens Trump with killing the CA economy!

"As Trump vows to kill climate plan, California pushes back"
[...]
""Climate change is impacting California now, and we need to continue to take bold and effective action," Air Resources Board Chair Mary D. Nichols said in a statement."
http://www.sfgate.com/news/art.....872750.php

Yes, it is!
Just two months ago, we were assured that CC meant the drought we've been suffering for the last 5 years was permanent!
Now, we are assured it means monster storms!
Gaia works in unknowable ways...

[The Fusionist]

The more things change...

Murray Kempton mourns the defeat of Adlai Stevenson by Dwight Eisenhower in 1952.

[SIV]

The President and First Lady are at another ball dancing to "My Way" again. Different dance band.

[SIV]

I wish he'd hurry up and get to guttin' the National Endowment for the Humanities.

[The Fusionist]

Trump and Melania do a dance of their own

[Heroic Mulatto]

This is my new fetish.

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

If it involves 5" stiletto heels on the human chair, and an exposed nude beanbag on the relaxor, then where do I sign up??

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

An nice reprieve

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Starting with a big-breasted woman holding a live cock. Euphemism is dead.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

What's this do for you?

[Heroic Mulatto]

I've used that in a class.

[GILMORE?]

this would also work

[commodious is fated to pretend]

This too?

[Heroic Mulatto]

No, but I should.

[Groovus Maximus]

THIS IS THE GREATEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!

[GILMORE?]

Its what it sounds like = he's mocking the way americans sound to Italians

Language

The song is meant to sound to its intended Italian audience like English spoken with an American accent, but the lyrics are actually pure gibberish, with the exception of the words "all right".[1] Celentano's intention with the song was to explore communications barriers. "Ever since I started singing, I was very influenced by American music and everything Americans did. So at a certain point, because I like American slang?which, for a singer, is much easier to sing than Italian?I thought that I would write a song which would only have as its theme the inability to communicate. And to do this, I had to write a song where the lyrics didn't mean anything."[2]

it was the Gagnam Style of its day

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

I am so glad you have shared this again. 🙂

[GILMORE?]

"Honey, I feel like you should share your feelings more while I triangle choke you"

[Crusty Juggler]

"Triangle chokes are the refuge of cowards."

Chael Sonnen.

[GILMORE?]

I used to hate that guy. then i decided he was awesome.

he's the only guy that ever made Anderson Silva look genuinely scared.

[GILMORE?]

until anderson silva made him tap out with a triangle choke

[Butts Wagner]

Too bad Chael wasn't in DC triangles triangle..ing Antifa protesters.

[Crusty Juggler]

That was one of the most exciting fights of all time, and that is one of the greatest and most ridiculous quotes of all time.

[straffinrun]

Forgot which fighter said it, but "Connor McGregor looks like an anorexic leprechaun" was pretty good, too.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Triangle man hates particle man. They have a fight, triangle wins. Triangle man.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Well, it's been all well and good to presuppose what Trump might accomplish once in office, but let's be real: isn't it a better bet to consider all the many ways he's going to disappoint us? And humiliate his dumbass supporters?

[The Fusionist]

Those supporters who are dumbasses will be disappointed.

Those who voted for him because they thought him the least-bad candidate may not have the highest of expectations, despite his attempts to get those expectations up.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Granted. Supporters are those who, like Mikey up above, are in bed with and gaping for Trump. I don't mind, in fact quite welcome, the majority of his voters who I assume were reluctant and mostly voting against Hillary.

[Sevo]

commodious is fated to pretend|1.20.17 @ 10:48PM|#
"Well, it's been all well and good to presuppose what Trump might accomplish once in office, but let's be real: isn't it a better bet to consider all the many ways he's going to disappoint us?"

No use borrowing bad news from the future. When he screws up, as he must, he'll get beat upon. Right now, 'the end of the world as we know it' hasn't occurred even after the anti-Christ has been sworn in.
Laughing at the hair-pullers and garment-renders is certainly amusing and tomorrow in SF we have the "March of the Pro-Lifers", timed to coincide with the "March of the Lefty Fems", which will probably be equally amusing.
We'll have plenty of time to screech at Trump and he'll deserve every bit of it, but for tonight, l'chayim.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Huh. Never actually have seen that in text. And it's exactly recognizable.

[Sevo]

I've been hiding it.

[DenverJ]

I just realized something: Donald Trump is Tony the Tiger! You never see them in the same place, they both love the word "great", and tell me they don't look the same.

[Butts Wagner]

And....Tony the Tiger is a pimp

[Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper]

So fuck this guy if he's espousing what he's espousing, but to say that the people punching him in the face aren't just another flavor of fascist is to misunderstand the nature of fascism. We've fallen victim to that as a country during this recent administration and it would be nice to work our way out of it, thanks.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

Fuck you, fascist. Telling me what to think. That's fascism. I can't believe you'd put that on me.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

It's Always Sunny pulls richest basic cable audience. Buncha fuckers love slumming it on tape, I guess.

[straffinrun]

Pretending to be rich so I can pretend I'm poor is my past time. Sometimes I pretend to be intelligent so I can pretend to be stupid.

[commodious is fated to pretend]

It's the whole Jack and Rose thing, except nobody wants to see rose naked and nobody cares when Jack dies.

[straffinrun]

Nobody cared when Jack died in Titanic, either. If Jack knocked up Rose and then died, ok. Saved her so she could bang someone else? Sorry, but we're taking turns floating on that door.

[thrakkorzog]

I'm fairly certain lots of teenaged girls cared. That's what made it the highest grossing film of all time. Those of us of the cynical bent will just say, ' the boat sank, get over it.'

And that's how you end up with "Peal Harbor". One of the seminal battles in American History, and it's reduced to a shitty love triangle. Some people rage against the Chinese for dumbing down American Cinema, I blame the 14 year old girls.

[PapayaSF]

At this point, actual fascists are rare specimens that exist almost entirely for symbolic value. Leftists need a focus for hate and solidarity, the SPLC and others need them to fundraise, conservatives and libertarians need them so they can say: "We're not like those guys! We hate them, too!" But they have few followers and no real influence. They're an endpoint on a political scale that can and probably should be ignored.

Interestingly, on the other end of that scale, there are more outright Communists about, many teaching in taxpayer-supported schools. But we're not supposed to be concerned about that. It's better to hunt for the rare, elusive American fascist/white separatist because they're a much, much greater danger, don't you know.

[Suell]

The most destructive and bloody ideology of the last hundred years is generally ignored. I had professors that were outright Marxists and that was somehow just fine. They have taken the long slow march indeed and place themselves deeply in the psyche of this country and many others. Fuckers.

[SIV]

MAGA MOTHERFUCKERS

[straffinrun]

Watching Alex Jones is like eating a deep fried double whopper with krispy kreme glazed buns.

[SIV]

The re-tweeter who sees teh Scott Steiner promo similarity nailed it. Equal mixture of incoherence with an imminent threat of shoot violence

[JayU]

I find this to be a brilliant statement, because both the people who like Alex Jones and the people who hate Alex Jones feel this applies perfectly.

[Butts Wagner]

It's called a Luther.

[thrakkorzog]

Fun story, I actually met Alex Jones like 20 years ago, back when I smoked a lot of pot, and lived in Austin. But I repeat myself. Back then he was still kind of batshit, but it was entertaining crazy. Screaming about Illuminati crazy, not 9/11 truther crazy. He was within the acceptable realm of crazy. He was also pretty much limited to local public access and local radio, so it wasn't like he had a wide dissemination network outside of his geocities page.

Some friends and I went out for dinner at the local Kerbey Lane. It was busy, so there was a wait list, and so we sat down to call our names, and hey Alex Jones was sitting right next to me. So I struck up a conversation with him, told him I enjoyed his show. He's actually a pretty nice and polite Catholic boy when there isn't a mic or camera in front of him.

[straffinrun]

Oh, The Humanity!

Borrowers can qualify for an FHA-backed mortgage, with down payments as small as 3.5%, even with a credit score as low as 580, which could signal a past bankruptcy or debts sent to collection.

[Groovus Maximus]

This is the application process...

[MHaber]

I think you need to differentiate between the Old Alt-Right personified by Milo, and the New Alt-Right personified by Richard Spencer. Sure there's some sociological technological political dissemination explaining how that happened, and so quickly.

[thrakkorzog]

Alt-Right is the new Neo-Con for the 2 minute hate.

So the Alt-Right is super racist, while at the same time being led by an openly gay white dude who openly brags about his love for some black cock, and wants black dudes to cum all over his face. I think it''s fair to declare shenanigans on the definition of alt-right the press uses.

Now normally, at this part of an episode of Star Trek, Captain Kirk would cause a computer to shut down over logical inconsistencies, but unfortunately we can't stop proggies by using logic.

[TheJohnnyAppleseedOfCrack]

I wasn't sure what to think about this, so I appreciate that you took the time o tell me that it is wrong to punch someone in the face. Thanks, Robby!!

[TheJohnnyAppleseedOfCrack]

Awww, shit. I'm confused again. My friends said that it was ok to punch him in the face, because he was a conservative or libertarian (even worse !!). So, I'm kinda lost now. Robby, can you clear this up again? Thanks!!

[Butts Wagner]

Smoke more crack

[Chip Your Pets]

This counts toward Robby's quota of two posts a week that are consistent with libertarianism.

[AddictionMyth]

Boys, boys. I have enough LilyWhiteGoodness? for all of you.

[Chip Your Pets]

Don't fight fascism by acting like a fascist.

As if the leftist would-be suckerpunchers are reading Reason.

Robby forgot that he has not yet followed the Weigel trajectory into that dream job covering right-wing freaks for serious pubs like Huffington Post and Slate.

[Domestic Dissident]

Forgot? It's probably just about the only thing he thinks about all day, every day. It's the reason he wakes up crying every morning and goes to bed crying every night.

[SugarFree]

Aw, Tulpa and Mikey love each other. You two should get together and have the Dipshit Messiah Child.

[Chip Your Pets]

Ketoacidosis can't come too soon.

[LifeStrategies]

Many Americans forget that the Nazi is the abbreviation for NAtional soZIalistische - National Socialist. The Nazi party's full name is NAtional soZIalistische deutsche arbeiter partei - which literally translates from German as the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Socialists hate the fact that the Nazi party was a socialist party with the same strong gun control agenda, strong social programs, government control of education, and the same emphasis on government jobs and worker's rights as modern socialists. So they frequently try to mislead (lie) by referring to Nazi as right-wing whereas in truth Nazi is actually liberal left-wing and socialist.

Then there's the infamous Nazi brownshirt violence against those who refuse to follow their left-wing agenda, which we see in this incident as well as the violence shown on RT, but largely ignored by the main-stream media...

[TheZeitgeist]

Nazis as lefty socialists are about two revs out of date; the bonafide modern lefty socialists have redefined undesirables and (though this is slipping) redefined Jewish boogeyman into generic white dude.

They also swept under the rug and/or updated the eugenics shtick. Margaret Sanger's reputation survived this unspoken evolution - but Hitler did not; probably because Margaret wasn't stupid enough to start then lose a war with a burgeoning Communist superpower and their dopey capitalist friends.

[Hank Phillips]

Indeed, the Social Security part of the New Deal appears to have been The Little Flower's effect on FDR. Catholic Father Charles Coughlin blamed everything on selfish Hollywood Jews and whined about elderly people impoverished by Bert Hoover's War on Beer, Crash and Depression--though not in those terms. There is a youtube vid: Roman Catholic Priest Father Coughlin: Jews & Communism that is well worth watching. Papal nuncio Pacelli (later Hitler's Pope) is suspected of ordering the televangelist to shut up at FDR's request, for the show shut down shortly after Pacelli's visit to America. Billy Sunday was another Trump and Billy Graham precursor.

[Cloudbuster]

If you're going to call Spencer's views "reprehensible" it would seem that, at a bare minimum, you are obligated to give some examples. Otherwise it's just name-calling.

[Cloudbuster]

Did you check out the protestor's sign behind Spencer? "White lives matter too much."

So my life should matter less?

The left isn't really giving me much choice about who to side with.

[Hank Phillips]

As soon as you take up the meaningless, one-dementional labels of right and left, you have sided with the looters like a pawn on a chessboard. Those labels, "liberal" as a nationalsocialist synonym for "Jew", these memes were adopted by God's Own Prohibitionists in 1932. Google has a gazillion or so pages of newsprint you can search in an effort to prove me wrong. Go ahead... make my day!

[Hank Phillips]

Hahahahahahaha! (Oooops... I meant: "How Awful!")
Still, national socialist religious conservatives do advocate the initiation of force four-square. So there is something kinda karmic about seeing that they can dish it out, but can't take it.
Another thing... the adjective "right-wing" consistently means religious national socialist. But communist-style looters use it to mean ANY non-communist, including libertarians, just as antiabortion national socialists use "liberal" to mean any non-bigots, including libertarians.

[Seth B]

That was an alt hug.

It was also a fake punch, probably a setup by the "victim".

[Devastator]

It may have been wrong, but it was very cathartic for those of us who hate racists.