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9 Reasons Why Libertarians Should Be Worried By Donald Trump

The new president has repeatedly vowed to make America less open, less free, and more burdened by an expansive federal government.

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Donald Trump is officially the president of the United States of America. Libertarians have plenty of reasons to be worried.

His inaugural speech today was an extended defense of populist protectionism, much like his campaign. From trade to defense spending to entitlements to immigration, Trump has repeatedly promised to take America in a direction that is less open, less free, and more burdened by an oppressive and expansive federal government.

Here are nine reasons why libertarians should be very concerned about a Trump presidency:

1) He has repeatedly promised to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants upon taking office, relying on a "special deportation force" to carry out the task. And even in the occasional moments in which he has seemed to recognize that this task would be logistically impossible, he has continued to insist that he will deport several million people right away, and that other undocumented immigrants who are in the country will not have a path to citizenship unless they leave the country first.

2) More generally, Trump's attitude toward immigrants and outsiders ranges from disdain to outright hostility. He has called for a ban on Muslim immigration and the closure of mosques, and he opened his primary campaign by declaring that Mexican immigrants to the U.S. were rapists and criminals.

3) Trump has also promised to build a massive, expensive wall along the southern border, and has insisted that Mexico will pay for its construction, an absurd notion that is already crumbling, as the incoming administration has asked Congress, not Mexico, to pay for the wall.

4) Trump has made clear that his administration will take a much more aggressive stance on trade as well. During the campaign, he floated the idea of a 45 percent tariff on Chinese goods, which would be deeply harmful to consumers and the U.S. economy. Since winning the election, his administration has raised the possibility of a 10 percent tariff on all imports, a policy that could spark a global recession. After winning in November, he said he would pull the nation out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement on day one of his presidency.

5) Trump's authoritarian leanings extend to national security as well. He has said that he would institute a program of torture for suspected terrorists that goes beyond what went on in the Bush administration, and has also said that he would kill the families of terrorists. When informed that military commanders might resist such an order, Trump said that he would force them to commit war crimes.

6) The new president has a dim view of constitutional free speech protections too. The First Amendment, he said, provides "too much protection" for free speech. He complained that in the U.S. "our press is allowed to say whatever they want." On the campaign trail, he said he wanted to "open up" libel laws, and threatened to take action against the owner of The Washington Post after the paper published material he didn't like. He thinks flag burning should be illegal, and has repeatedly used the legal system to punish those who irritate him.

7) Trump has shown no interest in meaningful budget reforms: He has repeatedly said he will not cut Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security—all of which are facing trillions in unfunded liabilities and are among the biggest drivers of the nation's long-term debt—and he has criticized Republicans for wanting to pare back spending on those programs. He has also proposed increasing defense spending. Under his campaign plans, federal debt would rise by more than $10 trillion over the next decade.

8) As a real estate developer, Trump repeatedly sought to use eminent domain to enable the seizure of private homes to make way for commercial developments. On the campaign trail, he defended the use of government muscle to take private property, saying "I think eminent domain is wonderful."

9) Perhaps more worrying than anything else, though, is Trump's long and well documented history of admiration for dictators and authoritarian leaders. He has praised Saddam Hussein of Iraq and Kim Jong-Un of North Korea, and lauded Vladimir Putin of Russia for his strength as a leader. On the campaign trail, he referred to the 1989 Chinese political protests in Tiananmen Square as a "riot" and marveled at the toughness the Chinese government's murderous response show. "They put it down with strength," Trump told Playboy in 1989. "That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak." In the context of Trump's record—his disdain for immigrants and outsiders, his authoritarian instincts on speech and government power, his general disinterest in reducing the size of the federal government—this admiration should be very worrying indeed.

(For a more cautiously optimistic take on Trump's presidency, check out Reason's podcast with Ken White here.)

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  1. SUDERMAN!! [shakes Fist]

    1. This piece encapsulates everything that’s wrong with most of Reason’s coverage of Trump. Ignoring the good things he campaigned on. A relentless focus on the negative. Seeing things as negatives for liberty when they are not. Sorry, Muslim immigration is not a plus for liberty, because too often Muslims are explicitly anti-liberty, and the more we have, the more reason we have for a surveillance state.

      Once again, Reason has missed a chance to do something positive for liberty. Instead of whining about Trump (which the MSM has covered), come up with some liberty-oriented reforms that Trump could go for, and publicize those.

      1. Yesterday we got five Obama accomplishments Libertarians should love…

        1. There was only part of one, when reviews were complete.

      2. Not a half bad idea-some suggestions would be nice.

      3. Reason Listicles ASSEMBLE!

        1. OK….I did laugh at this.

          1. No narrowing, switzy? I haz a sad.

            1. Hey, legit funny get plaudits – just watch the puns, ok?

              *preemptively narrows gaze*

              1. “Good boy. Here, have biscuit.”

      4. I wouldn’t mind the over the top Trump derangement if it worked the same way in both directions.

        But we all know damn well that it doesn’t around here. For the last eight years we had a president who made America less open (via relentless pursuit of whistleblowers, unfavored journalists, and other enemies), less free (via ways too numerous to mention in one post), and more burdened by an expansive federal government (via ways too numerous to mention in one post). And yet the fake libertarian assholes like Suderman never said a word about it the whole time.

        1. “And yet the fake libertarian assholes like Suderman never said a word about it the whole time.”

          That’s not entirely true. Suderman did offer suggestions for fine tuning some of those statist abominations.

          Which, in my book, is all the more abhorrent,

        2. And yet the fake libertarian assholes like Suderman never said a word about it the whole time.

          Is this your first day on reason? Watching you hit’n’runpublicans complain every time the staff doesn’t fellate the GOP properly would be hilarious if it didn’t clog up the boards.

      5. and the more we have, the more reason we have for a surveillance state.

        What? Even if I assume the threat of terrorism isn’t exaggerated, absolutely nothing in the world could justify the surveillance state, because freedom is simply more important than security. If the populace doesn’t understand this simple fact, then we’re doomed no matter what; fear can always be implanted if need be. It’s amazing how people in ‘the land of the free and the home of the brave’ are so utterly worthless and cowardly.

  2. God you are acting like a bunch of little kids, reason. Putting out 10 articles throughout the inauguration. We get it already

    1. I know. Don’t they understand how bad they are hurting your feelings?

  3. I’m guessing Gillespie and Suderman had a long drawn out fight that ended in a coin flip where the loser had to write the somewhat pro-Trump article and the winner got to pen this lovely screed.

    To be sure, some of these are real issues. But also to be sure, some are not.

  4. Words barely used in his speech – “I”, “Me”, “Mine”

    Words used often in his speech – “We” “You” “Our”

    Plenty of reasons to be “worried” about Trump but I don’t believe he went through all of this without the goals he has of helping America unleash its potential. We may all disagree how he plans to do this, but you cannot argue it’s what he wants to do.

    1. Uh…why would you be less worried about “we” and “our” than “I” and “me”? Obama Derangement Syndrome is a hell of a drug.

      1. maybe because it implies a sense of not being an emperor.

        1. Would a Literal Hitler say “Me” and “Mine,” or a lot of “We” and “Our”s?

          1. Literal Hitler has been silent for a while and I don’t expect to hear much more from him.

            1. Literal Lee Hitler will be burning up the twitter-verse when he gets home from the inauguration, though.

          2. Um, literal Hitler generally spoke in terms of national unity and character and was therefore far more likely to use terms like “we” and “our”

        2. it implies a sense of not being an emperor

          Like I said, ODS is a hell of a drug.

          1. Dear Hail Rat Taxes,

            You and your prog buddies keep your damned dirty hands off our rodents.

            Not one penny more! You hear?!

        3. Yep, trying to co-opt the lives and ambitions of hundreds of millions of people into his personal vision is certainly something no emperor would do.

        4. Or it could imply that he’s a typical politician who wants to give people that impression.

        5. Yeah, but “WE are gonna curb stomp you” is still just as terrifying without being imperial, and that’s not the royal “we.”

          Trump’s all about mob rule. Agitators of mobs usually use “we” instead of “I.”

          1. Trump’s all about mob rule.

            That certainly explains the mobs of Trump supporters beating the shit out of people at the inauguration. Hey, wait a second, that was Trump protestors.

    2. Well, I guess we can no longer say that the libertarian-minded are more resistant than other political persuasions to being sucked in by soaring collectivist rhetoric.

      1. I love that it’s somehow controversial to be happy to hear a speech from our President that isn’t primarily about him for a change.

        He may a total flaming disaster, I have no idea, but he sure as fuck isn’t going to be PRESIDENT NOT MY FAULT.

        1. No, it was about “all” Americans, for whom is he claiming to speak. That’s definitely better.

          1. If not all Americans, who does the president speak for?

            1. Pretty sure any given person can only speak for himself.

          2. Or maybe he was just claiming to represent all Americans. You know, like the President should.

            1. This is what H&R libertarians really believe ^^^

        2. Obama’s inaugural from 2013

          Word counts:

          “we” – 66
          “you” – 5
          “our” – 76

          “me” – 0
          “I” – 4
          “mine” – 0

          1. and his last speech?

        3. Going by your own metric of word count, your post was not about the language from Trump, but about how honest and well intentioned he is. That might be the controversy.

    3. The concept of “we,” as used in the political sense, is the basis for an awful lot of horrific statist fuckery.

      1. We are not amused.

      2. I think we can all agree that America should be great again.

        1. Doc Rivers doesn’t.

          1. Then he isn’t part of we, and he should get the fuck out, damn commie.

    4. And the road to hell is paved with … ?

  5. 10) Republican political appointee cocktail parties are much less fun.

    1. From this time forward, they will be the best cocktail parties in the United States of America!

      1. They will be yuuuge. And classy…very classy

    2. No fruit sushi at all

  6. Blond singer doing the national anthem…*wheezes*…

    Would.

    1. She’s like, 13?

      1. SO would in 5 years? Shit, didn’t realize how uptight some of you were. What, am I in church or something here?

      2. And Google says she’s 16! That’s legal in some states.

        1. Its hard to tell with that much makeup. She could be 12 or 24. You be you.

          1. This is Trump’s America now. I don’t need to apologize. If I want, I’ll grab’em right by the pussy and they’ll let me do it.

            1. Only if you’re a star, Brochetta.

  7. OTOH.

    The National Education Association spent $23 million during the last election cycle alone to elect politicians to keep low-income Americans right where they are. Public-service unions use tax dollars to fund politicians who then turn around and vote for more funding. The worse the schools perform, the more money they demand. In the real world, we call this racketeering.

    Yet according to Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, people like DeVos are “a grave threat” to the public schools “that made America great.”

    Well, studies consistently show that minority groups in America’s largest cities are lagging in proficiency in reading and math. Most of them attend schools that are in the bottom 5 percent of schools in their state. There is only so much an education secretary can accomplish, but the accusation of being a “grave threat” to this system is a magnificent endorsement.

    1. “Yet according to Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, people like DeVos are “a grave threat” to the public schools”

      So one reason to be cheerful?

      1. Absolutely; the smile is cracking my face.

  8. Hasnt trump really backed off most of these?

    And im not sure what eminent domain has to do with him now as potus. Does potus get involved in that?

    1. Is even AmSoc saying that Suderman is too hysterical?

      1. Apparently so. But cut Suderman a break. Its a tough day for him. America just won’t do what he and the rest of their betters tell them to do.

      2. Mind. Blown.

        1. This is one hell of a day!

      3. Yes yes i am

        1. Let it not be said we don’t give credit where credit is due around here.

          1. I kept wondering why I was seeing his posts. Then I realized he pulled a Tulpa and changed his handle just enough to avoid handle filtering software.

            How sad of an excuse for a human being do you have to be to have to trick people into seeing your drivel?

            1. You keep tricking us!

              Oh, wait, that’s my loud guffaws drowning out my guardian angel.

              1. Yeah, that’s why I read SugarFree’s prose, because he tricks me into it!!

                Whew, it feels better not to have to admit responsibility!

                1. And I’m also the reason you keep touching yourself in public parks.

                  1. I DO NOT! I am very discrete, at my desk….

                    Um, wait..nevermind.

                    *runs from room*

              2. This is not the real AmSoc… This handle appears to have trolled the real one in another thread.

    2. And im not sure what eminent domain has to do with him now as potus. Does potus get involved in that?

      Not being a libertarian, you can be forgiven for not knowing but, SCOTUS appointees decide cases like Kelo v. New London.

    3. I’m beginning to worry about you, friend. What kind of socialist makes excuses for a plutocratic out-of-touch authoritarian? I’m not with him. Are you? Please say no, comrade.

      1. *collects more tears

      2. He defended Fidel?

        What’s the problem, comrade?

      3. “What kind of socialist makes excuses for a plutocratic out-of-touch authoritarian?”

        Hey AmSoc, who are your favorite world leaders from the 20th century?

  9. Suderman should read his own writing from this summer. He seemed to be a lot more than worried back then.

    As far as this article, the first thing things are just “Trump is not open borders and will enforce immigration law”. The fourth is trade, which is a legitimate criticism but not exactly something people don’t already know. Given that Obama has instituted a program of drone striking anyone suspected of being a terrorist and in a country where the US can get away with it, torture would likely be an improvement over what we have. Not good, but no more of a worry than the present.

    1. Because Trump is about to end the drone strikes in three…two…

      1. Trump will not drone strike an American citizen. I guarantee you that. And the reason why they have so many drone strikes is that there was no longer a way to capture and hold them or get any information out of them. Obama ended torture by just killing anyone suspected of terrorism instead.

        1. Why would you guarantee that?

          1. Because even Trump wouldn’t be able to get away with it the way Obama did. Will American citizens fighting for ISIS get blown up? Sure. But I can’t see him ordering an assassination like Obama did.

            1. I don’t know who would stop him, and if there was a force capable of effectively retaliating, why he wouldn’t take that as a challenge and opportunity to Win.

              But there probably will not be another Anwar al-Awlaki figure in the next 4 years, so I doubt Trump will be placed in a comparable situation.

            2. Hah. Please. John just made a funny.

          2. Daddy would never hurt us.

        2. Trump will not drone strike an American citizen. I guarantee you that.

          The drone strikes are very transparent, so it will be easy to find out whether he does or doesn’t secretly order a drone strike on someone.

          1. Rather than being the subject of a secretive Tuesday morning meeting, Trump’s drone strikes will be announced on Twitter.

            1. They’ll be fantastic drone strikes, beautiful drone strikes, classy even!

            2. “Disposition Matrix nuthin’!”

              Tweets out – HEY MOHAMMED, I GOT A PREDATOR ON THE WAY TO ZORCH YOUR SORRY BUTT!

      2. Now back to La Musica! La Musica!

        De Los B-52’s!

  10. Number six is just “Donald Trump has said mean things about the media”. Well talk is cheap. What is Trump actually going to do that will violate the 1st Amendment and won’t be quashed by the courts? Sudderman has no answer to that and is more than anything butt hurt that Trump like most of America loathes the media. Number seven is pretty fucking rich after a President who ran up 9 trillion dollars in new debt. Just exactly how much worse can Turmp do?

    Number 8 is irrelevant. Trump is a big meanie for taking advantage of emmenent domain. if he hadn’t someone would have. I blame the Supreme Court for that not the business people who took advantage of the opportunity the Court gave them.

    Perhaps more worrying than anything else, though, is Trump’s long and well documented history of admiration for dictators and authoritarian leaders.

    As opposed to the departing President who expressed admiration for democratic leaders like the Iranian Mullahs and Fidel Castro. If Trump wants to be Putin, I don’t give a shit because it just means he ran for President of the wrong country. The worry is the power the President has. But understand, power is a temptation people almost never resist. So any President, no matter how much they claim otherwise, is going to use the powers available to him. Does Suderman really think we could have a small Presidency if only we could elect the right top man to the position? Is he that delusional?

    1. and won’t be quashed by the courts

      I can tell you this much about the court system: there is no way in hell they would approve a health insurance requirement, no way in hell.

  11. Flipped over to MSNBC to listen to Rachel Maddow have a sad. She didn’t disappoint.

    1. I am not watching TV. Was it really good? Did she cry? Was she bitter? Angry? Despondent?

      1. With a catch in throat she told us how much his speech worried her. She associates it with bad history – I’m assuming Lindbergh’s anti-war movement.

    2. Regular NBC News is questioning his legitimacy as we speak.

      1. Any particular reason, or just ‘we’re smarter than you’?

        1. Popular vote, of course.

        2. Popular vote, of course.

          1. Such a stupid meme. We don’t elect presidents by popular vote. Under the Constitution, we never have. To protect American liberties, we intentionally did not make president a directly elected official.

            One could just as well complain that the College of Cardinals weren’t consulted.

            1. Kodos and Kang, however …

              1. Even they respected the Constitution during their race.

              2. And I, for one, welcome our insect overlords.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4jWAwUb63c

            2. Clearly the Broncos didn’t really win the Superbowl last year. They put up 194 yards of offense and the Panthers moved the ball 315.

              Illegitimate. Never mind the 24-10 score.

      2. I’m pretty sure once the whole “took the oath of office” thing happened, he became the legitimate president of the US, regardless of how we got here. I’m still impressed the Russians hacked the Electoral College.

    3. It was even more awful than I imagined it could be. He spent a third of the time talking about his worst position – protectionism. Ugh!

      But most of the rest of it was pretty good. He tried lamely to reach out to the other constituencies that didn’t vote for him. He wrapped himself in the flag, as expected. And he fired warning shots across the bows of every country in the world. America First was a terrible motto in the 30’s given the circumstances, but it makes a bit more sense now.

  12. Breaking News: Suderman’s pants are being rushed to the washing machine after a freak accident, mid inauguration, left them filled completely with shit. No word on whether they were sprayed with Shout or thrown directly in.

    1. Of course, you’ll be saving your semen-encrusted ones just the way they are.

      1. Oh my, you are having a day, aren’t you?

        Me, I am going to wait and see when the rhetorical flatulence on all sides have drifted away, what is actually done.

        I suspect I will be often disappointed, as any libertarian usually is, with what goes on in DC.

      2. Lol. I didn’t shit my pants when Obama was elected. I think a little perspective is in order here, especially in light of the way people like Suderman handled Obama’s myriad attacks on personal liberty.

      3. Considering how potent his sperm is, they’re going straight into a fire.

  13. Number three will shock you!

  14. Donald Trump is officially the president of the United States of America. Libertarians have plenty of reasons to be worried.

    9 reason’s I’m happy:

    1). Rape is now legal.
    2). No more uppity women
    3). No more uppity browns.
    4). A job I deserve will be given to me.
    5). ISIS will be decimated.
    6). There will be no more foreign wars.
    7). Hollywood hates it.
    8). The lulz.
    9). MAGA!

    1. Only decimated? I thought we were going for great.

    2. Just give him more than half an hour and watch what happens!

    3. 8) 1-99) The lulz

    4. You left out the Hat and the Hair stories for at least 4 years!

      1. I’m so excited I want to go out and get a rug.

      2. But we don’t get to find out the plans for the Vestal!

        1. The Vessel is not yet ready!

          *places Elder Sign*

      1. Feel free to step in right about now, Preet.

  15. No Hitler comparisons on my derpbook yet, but a prog and Obama supporter posted this:

    “What he’s saying has no substance. In that he’s not being specific at all, just hot air.”

    Resisted the urge to type “Like Hope and Change?”….Completely oblivious that’s how Obama got elected.

    1. Team blue is all that matters

      You cant really be specific about entire agenda in 15 min speech

      1. Alright, who hacked amsoc?

        1. Real amsoc has an orange name with a link to CPUSA or such, aye?

      2. You cant really be specific about entire agenda in 15 min speech

        He was terribly specific about being a protectionist about trade. That was very depressing. Maybe foolishly, but I thought he would soften that a bit when he got into office. After all, he is a negotiator and one can’t dictate in a negotiation. Then again, I should listen to my own words that everything he says is simply an opening gambit in a negotiation. So maybe this is just that.

        1. Then again, I should listen to my own words that everything he says is simply an opening gambit in a negotiation. So maybe this is just that.

          Of course it is. He lets this fly, countries like China shit themselves, then he lets them talk him back to what he really wanted.

          1. That is what I have been posting here for the last 9 months. Everything is approached as a negotiation. Sometimes he is bad cop – Taiwan, the wall, Moooslims – sometimes he plays good cop – Romney, Obama etc. It all depends on what he needs in the current negotiation. It is amazing that so few people get this.

    2. Yeah, the lefty press is on top of the serious issues:
      “Gucci claims Kellyanne Conway as inauguration fashion victim”
      http://www.sfgate.com/life/sty…..871734.php

      1. I saw a huffpo article on nancy sinatra destroys trump in a tweet

        1. Very brave but then she slammed cnn lol

        2. These boots were made for walkin’…

          Fine work, BTW. The other guy’s been phoning it in lately. The job’s yours if you want it.

    3. When is Obama gonna finish making Cuba build a wall around Gitmo?

  16. 1. He is the head of the executive branch of the federal government.

    *gets paid the big blogging bucks*

  17. Cliff’s notes version of Trump’s inaugural speech:

    “We’re not fucking around anymore.”

    *** shudders ***

    1. I could hear the excited oinking and squeals of Congresscritters, thinking of the pork that will be available soon…

      1. Maybe you missed the part where he attacked them for being all talk and no action.

        Oh ,wait…..

  18. If it is impossible to deport people living here illegally, then why is it a worry? Either it is possible and you really will see millions being rounded up and sent home giving Suderman something to worry about or it is not possible and Suderman has nothing to worry about. it can’t be both.

  19. What about 2a rights, regulation, taxes pete?

    The funny thing is if trump wanted to cut medicare pete would freak out

    Petes wife is much better

    90 percent of pundits and journos at least for dc politics give other 10 percent a bad name

  20. Being mean to media and going around them is not suppressing media unless of course media see themselves as entitled

    1. Who the hell are you? Nevermind. Is Tulpa dead? Did you see the body?

      1. I’m beginning to think this isn’t the *real* AmSoc.

        1. Stylistically, this one has more in common with Dunphy. Note the lack of punctuation and the use of line breaks.

          If it actually is Dunphy, we’ll find out for sure when he can’t resist the urge to brag about successfully suing his fellow officers for kicking his ass.

          1. I’m starting to see what you mean.

            Speaking of deranged morons, he had to fuck a dead thread to insult you nonsensically just one more time.

  21. Like all politicians, Trump is a mix of good and bad. A less aggressive policy towards Russia and Syria is good right? Less gun control, 20 percent federal employee reduction, and slashing the regulatory burden is still something libertarians want isn’t it? Whether these things will be attempted is up in the air but at least he’s paying them lip service.

    I’m going to wait until he actually does something before I drop a load in my Depends.

  22. I wish there were a source I could consult to alert me when Trump does something that’s *actually* bad, rather than denouncing everything he does, good, bad, or indifferent.

    How will I know to believe the expose if he starts a torture program, if the outlet reporting the torture program is the same outlet which did ten articles a day on how his choice of tie shows he’s a fascist?

    1. With reason they dont actually do this. They are obsessed with his personality

    2. That’s the thing…there will be real scandals/abuses/fuckups and people will chuckle and roll their eyes. Crying wolf is actually a thing.

    3. How will I know to believe the expose if he starts a torture program, if the outlet reporting the torture program is the same outlet which did ten articles a day on how his choice of tie shows he’s a fascist?

      To Russian Hackers!

    4. I wish there were a source I could consult to alert me when Trump does something that’s *actually* bad, rather than denouncing everything he does, good, bad, or indifferent.

      This is roughly my same point as below.

  23. People who love to say they are all about democracy mean i care about what you want as long as you agree with me

    1. Trump has been president for like an hour, and already made amsoc a reasonable person!

      1. MasGA

    2. Hi,

      When you are trying to troll someone, its best to use hyperbole and/or satire to deride and/or undermine their position– not regurgitate right-wing talking points. Still, I like you. You’re fun.

      You should link your name to an anti war socialist who worked all his life for human rights like I have.

      1. There you are.

      2. Being reasonable is the absolute best way to troll someone who is a foaming-at-the-mouth, raving retard!

        1. Wheras *using* Reasonable is the best way to experience a troll.

      3. What work for human rights have you done?

        1. Trolled those filthy fascistic libertarians, of course.

      4. “… who worked all his life for human rights like I have.”

        Oh, bless you, kind sir!

        Your altruistic virtue shames us! Truly, you are the wokest of the woke!

        We are not worthy! (No, really. We don’t deserve you!)

    3. Hi am_soc. You’re starting to bother amsoc. Keep it up.

      Smooches

      HTH

      1. Who the fuck is amsoc? Did he copy me?

        1. He did! (That sorry motherfucker)

  24. I can only imagine what Trump and Obama are saying as they both smile way too hard

    1. TRUMP: “So long, don’t steal all the ‘T’s from the White House computer before you leave.”

      OBAMA: “Thank you for giving a comparatively short speech, I should still be able to make my tee time.”

  25. This article is typical of all left wing media take statements out of context.
    small example closure of mosque if its a terrorist front
    free trade vs fair trade
    illegal vs legal

    but the writer knows that and just wants to prove something
    BTW Obama and Clinton both publicly started they wished they were like China

    1. This place ain’t left wing my man.

    2. Did pete vote for her then? Wow that china thing

  26. Regarding pop vote the indians should be given world series cause they scored more runs.

    Hillary perhaps dont lose a few million in states that matter and went for barry twice

  27. So highlights of the inauguration: Hillary lock her up chants and Trump using Bane’s line about restoring power to the people from Dark Knight Rises.

    1. And CNN informed me that this was a peaceful exchange of power. Not a military coup or nothing. So that’s another highlight.

  28. My greatest concern is that the media, instead of trying to rebuild the credibility they’d lost during the election cycle, will turn into a 24/7 moan-machine over the most trivial acts of his administration… and in the course of doing so, end up actually inoculating Trump from any genuine, significant criticism.

    basically, what they did with the “whore-peeing” story, over and over again.

    In the Q&A session of Matt’s debate with Chait, the latter asserted that Obama’s “approval ratings” were significant of his actual success, and the questioner causually replied, “Sorry, but I don’t believe polls anymore”

    And she was justified in saying so, and its probably fine for something as meaningless as “approval”. But in the longer-term its a bad sign.

    1. will turn into a 24/7 moan-machine over the most trivial acts of his administration… and in the course of doing so, end up actually inoculating Trump from any genuine, significant criticism.

      At first, most definitely. I can’t imagine they have the stamina to bitch about nothing for four years. I assume at some point some of them will realize they are hurting their cause and will turn things around a little. For example, maybe Bezos hires a few adults at the Washington Post who will act like adults, etc.

      1. I assume at some point some of them will realize they are hurting their cause and will turn things around a little.

        I thought we might start to see signs of that after the election. Aside from that one CBS news editorial, not so much. Most doubled-down on Nazi Frogs, Russian Hacking, Pee-Fetishes, etc..

        For example, maybe Bezos hires a few adults at the Washington Post who will act like adults,

        You’ll need a few truckloads of those to offset the inanity of people like Janelle Ross, Petula Dvorak, Phil Bump, etc etc.

        Seriously, forget the WaPo and their blog-froth. I’m just hoping the actual “news” people stop trying to narrative-pump about Russians

        1. BTW, this was the CBS news editorial i meant

          … we get it wrong with greater frequency. Out on the road, we forget to ask the right questions. We can’t even imagine the right question. We go into assignments too certain that what we find will serve to justify our biases. The public’s estimation of the press declines even further — fewer than one-in-three Americans trust the press, per Gallup — which starts the cycle anew.

          There’s a place for opinionated journalism; in fact, it’s vital. But our causal, profession-wide smugness and protestations of superiority are making us unable to do it well.

          Our theme now should be humility. We must become more impartial, not less so. We have to abandon our easy culture of tantrums and recrimination. We have to stop writing these know-it-all, 140-character sermons on social media and admit that, as a class, journalists have a shamefully limited understanding of the country we cover.

          that last line i think encompasses a lot of what i’m talking about

          part of it is legacy hubris of news media, but its also this Millenial tic of “Explainers” or = “HERE’S WHY”- journalism. They think they “get it”, but most of the time they’re just simply regurgitating the received, conventional wisdom of their very tiny provincial in-group.

          Like Ben Rhodes said = they know nothing.

          1. I agree with you that it does not look promising, but as they discussed during the 5th Column, the reporters shouting at Trump during his press conference is a good sign, and I think that eventually some of them will act like adults, and I think the adult-like behavior will start at a legacy media institution like WaPo or the NYT, partially because they are owned by very wealthy men. They could help set a decent standard. I am being optimistic, though, I realize that.

            1. Still interested in that bridge I have for sale, Crusty?

    2. and in the course of doing so, end up actually inoculating Trump from any genuine, significant criticism.

      THIS^^ x 10E10

      The press is full of dumbfucks. The are facilitating Trump’s worst instincts, again, just as they did by being lapdogs for Obama.

      What we need is a Fifth Column. Unfortunately, Kmele is joined by a couple of brain-damage TDSers.

    3. a 24/7 moan-machine

      I’d pay for that.

      1. Does it come with the attachments?

    4. My greatest concern is that the media…will turn into more of a 24/7 moan-machine over the most trivial acts of his administration

      FIFY – not that you were exactly wrong but that there are/were greater concerns, IMO.

      1. Whoops, got my tags mixed up! Shoulda been;

        My greatest concern is that the media…will turn into more of a 24/7 moan-machine over the most trivial acts of his administration

        1. Dammit! *Any* administration.

          I need more coffee…

          1. “trivial acts of administration” is both a solid euphemism and a good name for a rock band

  29. 1. Good. Libertarians should favor ending what brings illegals here for the wrong reasons to begin with. Stop striking the branches and strike the root. The root is an expansive welfare state. Until that ends, I can’t support open borders.
    2. “that Mexican immigrants to the U.S. were rapists and criminals” ah, so you give that particular lie some ink again. By removing the context of “some”, you give rise to the implication of “all” through linguistic trickery. Fuck you. I’m not a Trump supporter, but this is downright disingenuous and this kind of bullshit sophistry must end. Illegal immigration creates a black market. Black markets cause people to avoid law enforcement. Where law enforcement is scarce, criminals will be attracted to take advantage of people. None of this is surprising or controversial. If you think coyotes don’t take money to let rapists have their way with illegals in the desert, you are an idiot.
    3. Stupid, pointless, and probably not going to happen. Stop shedding tears over it.
    4. This may just be posturing to force better trade terms. It remains to be seen. Hysteria at this point is idiotic because if you keep screaming wolf, don’t be surprised when nobody shows up and an actual wolf appears.

    1. 5. Hey, the first actually deplorable position on your list. Let’s stop pretending that this hasn’t been happening for a long time now and demand that an end be put to it. Rendition and torture and indefinite detention are not the American way. We should set an example for the rest of the world to follow, not resort to the barbarity of our enemies.
      6. So the fuck what? There’s nothing he can do about it anyway. Libel is tort law, local law. The Supreme Court already ruled on flag burning.
      7. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
      8. What’s this got to do with the price of eggs? So he plays the same fucking game that every other real estate developer is forced to play in order to get anything at all done. State and local set this bullshit up so their palms get greased. It’s bullshit and we don’t have to stand for it, but we have more people to point fingers at than Trump on this.

    2. 9. Well, at least we didn’t elect Gary Johnson who couldn’t name one world leader he admired. Still can’t say that I’m convinced that he’s prepared to emulate any of those people, and we’ve got a world full of leftist leaders giving glowing eulogies for Castro despite not lining up their populations for execution or sending them off to the gulags either.

      I’m not saying “don’t be vigilant.” I’m saying “don’t be hysterical.” We come off as fucking loonies in a time where we could be capitalizing on being the only adult in the room rather than wild-eyed bomb-shelter-building armageddon preppers going out for one more shopping run at the local military surplus store.

      Sack up, Suderman. We’ve got shit to do.

    3. Stop striking the branches and strike the root.

      My goodness.

      1. That isn’t even vaguely euphemistic!

        1. You can build a fire by rubbing two sticks together. Just sayin’.

    4. coyotes … take money to let rapists have their way with illegals in the desert

      That’s an oddly specific furry fetish, but hey, I’m not gonna judge just because it ain’t my thang!

      1. Well, that was probably the creepiest thing I’ll watch today.

        1. You don’t get out much, do you?

          1. I did say today. I’ve seen far creepier things on the Internet. I could be entirely wrong, and SugarFree will oblige with something more fitting for H&R, but his Trump material has slowed down and Warty Hugeman seems to have run its course (for now).

            I keep a reasonable stash of disturbing shit to troll people with. Don’t make me trot some of them out to prove a point. You’ll regret it. Might even make Crusty blush with some of it. 😉

            1. Might even make Crusty blush with some of it

              Those are bold words, sir!

          2. I should also mention that I knew quite a few actual furries – like the attendees of FurCon-level-committed furries. On one hand they pass as pretty normal most of the time and can be really fun people to hang around as long as you don’t get them to go on about their fetishes. I kinda guess most of them have to be pretty committed to it though. I have it on very good authority that those fursuits are very expensive and people don’t share or re-sell them for the same reason mascots can’t wear each other’s heads (people can only tolerate their own accumulated stench inside those things).

            1. I’m sure there are folks who would pay to smell the inside of a broken-in fursuit.

              1. New business venture, HC, or a subsidiary to your monocle-polishing biz?

                1. a subsidiary to your monocle-polishing biz

                  This is a well-worn euphemism

              2. You may be right, but all the yiffers I ever met had standards.

                1. The domains for yiffers and fursuit-sniffers might not have an intersection.

                  1. The domains for yiffers and fursuit-sniffers might not have an intersection.

                    They didn’t before my startup unveiled “Yiff-Sniff,” the cloud-based agile sharing economy social media app for connecting fursuit-sniffers with fursuit owners.

                    1. Y Combinator welcomes you to the fold.

                    2. What we have done here. Well, I don’t exactly know what it was, but it was a glorious display of… something.

                      Pictured: Swiss Servator, in an event which shall henceforth be known as “the narrowing.”

                    3. Eyes narrowed so far that he was given honorary membership of an asian-american band, who unfortunately lack a name at the moment.

            2. I have it on very good authority that those fursuits are very expensive and people don’t share or re-sell them for the same reason mascots can’t wear each other’s heads (people can only tolerate their own accumulated stench inside those things).

              It’s even worse than you can imagine… I had to wear the “rat suit” at “Chuck E Cheese” twice in 1982- Never again!

              The first time you wear it, you learn to tuck the tail under your arm so the kids won’t grab it. The second time, you learn how satisfying it is to beat the little shits over the head with your tail…

    5. Re: Zero Sum Game,

      2. “that Mexican immigrants to the U.S. were rapists and criminals” ah, so you give that particular lie some ink again.

      I don’t understand. Do you mean the lie that Mexicans are rapists and criminals, or do you think it is a lie he said that more than half of those “sent by” Mexico are rapists and criminals while some, he assumes, are good people?

      1. There’s this scummy use of sophistry which I absolutely abhor, and hate to see people use even when their political beliefs align with mine.

        It’s this linguistic trick of taking out qualifiers to leave the implication of “all” for the reader.

        If I said “some black people are murderers”, then that would be an undeniably true statement. But if you, intrepid reporter, go on to say “ZSG said black people are murderers” then the qualifier has been dropped so that people’s minds automatically substitute in the word “all.” So people then interpret “ZSG said all black people are murderers” which is an obvious falsehood. The reporter does this with a straight face and then has plausible deniability so they can’t be sued for causing intentional conflation.

        Trump did not imply that all Mexicans are rapists. Suderman’s statement “and he opened his primary campaign by declaring that Mexican immigrants to the U.S. were rapists and criminals” does imply that by intentionally omitting qualifiers.

        1. I believe the word for that trick is mendacity.

          A Suderman trait that has been previously noted on more than one occasion.

  30. Boring article. Same old stuff Reason has been saying about Trump for months. Come on Suderman, try harder.

  31. Wait, Donald Trump is president? Come on, how did you guys pull off this gag?

  32. Most of the bad things still have the silver lining of teaching people who naturally lean pro-state what it feels like to be on the bad side of a state with limitless power and few procedural safeguards.

    1. The problem is they wont get the message when their guy is in power.

  33. RE: 9 Reasons Why Libertarians Should Be Worried By Donald Trump
    The new president has repeatedly vowed to make America less open, less free, and more burdened by an expansive federal government.

    This is why I don’t vote for republicans. They are the “me too” party.
    I doubt Trump the Grump will reduce the corporate tax, eliminate the income tax or shut down needless and useless bureaucracies like the DOE, the Commerce Department, the Energy Department, the Agricultural Department, stop subsidies, etc.
    I get the impression he will go along to get along and nothing significant will change…except satisfy his huge ego.

  34. RE: 9 Reasons Why Libertarians Should Be Worried By Donald Trump
    The new president has repeatedly vowed to make America less open, less free, and more burdened by an expansive federal government.

    This is why I don’t vote for republicans. They are the “me too” party.
    I doubt Trump the Grump will reduce the corporate tax, eliminate the income tax or shut down needless and useless bureaucracies like the DOE, the Commerce Department, the Energy Department, the Agricultural Department, stop subsidies, etc.
    I get the impression he will go along to get along and nothing significant will change…except satisfy his huge ego.

  35. RE: 9 Reasons Why Libertarians Should Be Worried By Donald Trump
    The new president has repeatedly vowed to make America less open, less free, and more burdened by an expansive federal government.

    This is why I don’t vote for republicans. They are the “me too” party.
    I doubt Trump the Grump will reduce the corporate tax, eliminate the income tax or shut down needless and useless bureaucracies like the DOE, the Commerce Department, the Energy Department, the Agricultural Department, stop subsidies, etc.
    I get the impression he will go along to get along and nothing significant will change…except satisfy his huge ego.

  36. RE: 9 Reasons Why Libertarians Should Be Worried By Donald Trump
    The new president has repeatedly vowed to make America less open, less free, and more burdened by an expansive federal government.

    This is why I don’t vote for republicans. They are the “me too” party.
    I doubt Trump the Grump will reduce the corporate tax, eliminate the income tax or shut down needless and useless bureaucracies like the DOE, the Commerce Department, the Energy Department, the Agricultural Department, stop subsidies, etc.
    I get the impression he will go along to get along and nothing significant will change…except satisfy his huge ego.

  37. RE: 9 Reasons Why Libertarians Should Be Worried By Donald Trump
    The new president has repeatedly vowed to make America less open, less free, and more burdened by an expansive federal government.

    This is why I don’t vote for republicans. They are the “me too” party.
    I doubt Trump the Grump will reduce the corporate tax, eliminate the income tax or shut down needless and useless bureaucracies like the DOE, the Commerce Department, the Energy Department, the Agricultural Department, stop subsidies, etc.
    I get the impression he will go along to get along and nothing significant will change…except satisfy his huge ego.

    1. You don’t have to say that twice.

  38. A least we’ll know the press is on our side (unlike with Hillary or Obama).

  39. Imposter known as american socialist…what work have you done fighting for humans? You spend a lot of time posting on here

    Even i am not delusional enough to think that posting on reason is fighting

    1. Says the “socialist” that defines himself by his nationality…

      I wonder who else did that?

  40. SIGH… Okay, so where’s the “n Reasons Why Libertarians Should be Cautiously Optimistic About Donald Trump,” for sake of comparison?

    Oh, right, wrong writer for that, I suppose. Stay ever vigilant, Reasonoids. This could be a bumpy ride.

  41. Once again, immigration is the primary reason why libertarians should “fear” Trump.

    There is nothing immoral about deporting non citizens. Obama has deported thousands of people caught near the border, who may have just as much compelling reason to stay as some family who lived here for 10 years. Trump made some colorful remarks on immigration enforcement but has since refocused on deporting criminals and scaling back Obama’s immigration executive orders.

    Trump may very well bring about trade wars and slap tariffs on uncooperative companies, and that’s a huge concern. He may even cut back on H1-B visas. But the notion of Trump as a maniacal deporter is just hysterical fantasy. He wll not have the support of congress or even the people to just randomly deport people on whim.

    The left isn’t protesting Trump’s protectionism. In their minds, they’re resisting the rise of the new Third Reich who’ll cleanse America of its non white beings. Is reason buying into that hype? There are some smart writers here, they should be able to discern when Trump is putting on a show to get support. Remember when he promised to appoint a special prosecutor to go after Clinton?

  42. this idiot believes the drive by media’s interpretations..i bet he did not attend one Trump Rally….

  43. Let me get this straight. You did a recent article on why libertarians will miss Obama and now an article on why we should be worried about Trump? Okay. Where’s the counter Reason articles to both of these? Please give links to those articles. We are libertarians, right? We’re neither left or right, right? So where’s the balance here?

  44. While I think this is accurate, at the same time, I do think libertarians need to realize that ultimately free immigration is a danger to a libertarian society (such as it is) because it imports millions of people who are not libetarians.

    Poul Anderson’s New America series of stories about a libertarian space colony explores this. Basically the last story deals with another colony ship from Earth containing millions of statists

    Do we destroy the colony ship while we can or do we let them land and see our way of life end?

    Of course they picked the latter, but at least they (and he) acknowledged the problem.

  45. MAKE PANTS-SHITTING GREAT AGAIN

  46. You don’t get it, do you? Politicians, and politics as usual, has failed miserably. Will this work? Who knows, but at least something new is being tried rather than a rehash of the tried and failed policies of the past. Policies with which you seem to be comfortable.

  47. Another slightly more optimistic piece from a libertarian: http://www.caesarsallust.com/blog/hope-for-liberty
    Daring to hope because Princess Leia.

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  49. Trump will preside over the collapse of the bankrupt welfare state. He will be blamed for it.

    Libertarians should run the other way, run against Trump from day one.

    If libertarians fail to present a clear alternative and build a coalition around it, the next president, in 2020, will be a millennial socialist.

  50. People who judge Trump by the meaning of the words that he uses are foolish. For most people, words mean things. Words refer to objects, people, actions, etc. For Trump, the meaning of words is what it makes people feel and do as a result of hearing those words. When Trump says Mexico is sending us rapists and killers, he doesn’t mean that the Mexican government is rounding up career criminals and sneaking them into the US. He means that when people hear his words they feel that Mexicans are the source of their problems and therefore will approve of Trump and more importantly, his future actions.

    When Trump talks about rising violence he doesn’t mean that murders are increasing (something demonstrably false) he means that people who feel fear will focus that fear on “criminals” and then approve of Trump.

    All words of Trump serve one purpose – making people approve of him so that he gets his way. That’s why Trump can one day claim that he wants to put Hillary in jail and the next day praise her for her service to the country. He gets approval on Tuesday from one group and approval on Wednesday from another group. Whatever group can help him get his way, is the group his words are designed to manipulate.

    1. “he doesn’t mean that murders are increasing (something demonstrably false)”

      No, the murder rate did increase in 2015 and trends in 2016 point to another increase, though final data aren’t yet available – fivethirtyeight.com/contributors/jeff-asher/

      Granted, those increases are relative to murder rates that reached a long-term low in 2013 and 2014 http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ murder-rates-nationally-and-state

  51. I have been a longtime Libertarian and my greatest fear is that Trump might eventually cave in to the enormous pressures of both parties to compromise and maintain big government. I don’t believe that Trump is a conservative who managed to become a billionaire with conservative business policies. He became a very wealthy enterprise by trampling on the ethical toes of many others. I do feel that he will not allow our country to become the Marxist dream of the democrats (and many fake republicans) who feel that the New World Order is the savior of mankind, and for THAT I support his presidency, if only for the moment. All of his ideas are not that well thought out, but an active, conscionable congress is where true government lies. That active, conscionable congress are (or should be) the chains against a tyrannical president.

  52. If Libertarians continue to wonder why they are not taken seriously, an objective read of much (not all) of Reason posts should answer the question. Most (not all) of the Reason writing and editorial crew are fundamentally Progressive in their outlook and political aims. Oh, they work to mask it from time to time, but… like a fart in the elevator, everyone knows even if they are too polite to mention it.

    If you love and cherish real Liberty, and wish to preserve and enhance it here in the United States, and if you think that the preservation and enhancement of Liberty here in the US is all we have to offer the rest of the world, a shining example, then one must treat the Libertarians as an amusing intellectual sideshow. Not as a coherent, promising political and social force to be reckoned with.

  53. Utter lies and propaganda. Protecting your borders is a good thing.
    Smaller government and less intrusion into citizen’s lives is a good
    thing. Fair trade deals are a good thing. Globalists and Leftists are
    trying to spin this as bad but the American people are not buying it.
    The Leftists love the status quo because they have been the
    beneficiary for the past 8 years. Not any more. As the Trump
    administration begins its economic policies, the base will grow and
    the leftists will become even more outspoken and extreme. They
    are out of touch with everyday Americans and it shows.

  54. 1) He has repeatedly promised to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants upon taking office, relying on a “special deportation force” to carry out the task. And even in the occasional moments in which he has seemed to recognize that this task would be logistically impossible, he has continued to insist that he will deport several million people right away, and that other undocumented immigrants who are in the country will not have a path to citizenship unless they leave the country first.
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    2) More generally, Trump’s attitude toward immigrants and outsiders ranges from disdain to outright hostility. He has called for a ban on Muslim immigration and the closure of mosques, and he opened his primary campaign by declaring that Mexican immigrants to the U.S. were rapists and criminals.

  55. I support Trump cracking down on illegal immigrants. Still, he is already weaseling out of the wall being paid by mexico promise. Come on, the excuse he makes is ridiculous. He can still get Mexico to cough up payments to the US in his trade deals and you don’t need to build a wall from that money. So that wall is still extra expense that we are footing.

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