Election 2016

Russia Isn't Our Friend, but That Doesn't Make the Democrats' Conspiracy Theories True

You don't have to be a Russia booster to dismiss claims Russia hacked the U.S. election.

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Here are two positions an intellectually honest person can hold simultaneously:

First, Russian President Vladimir Putin is an authoritarian who, though no Josef Stalin, subverts human rights and is generally antagonistic to the idealistic aims of the United States. When Republicans cozy up to this sort of person, as President-elect Donald Trump has done, they undermine the stated beliefs and values of conservatism.

Second, though there's little doubt he wishes he could, Putin did not hack the American election. In fact, there's no evidence whatsoever that the Russians had anything to do with Trump's victory.

Now, I understand why so many on the left want to force Republicans to choose between these two statements. They'd like to delegitimize the democratic validity of Trump's presidency (in much the same way they did with President George W. Bush) and smear those who don't join them in this endeavor as unpatriotic Putin-defending lackeys. Considering their own past and Obama's accommodating attitude toward the Russians (and the Cubans, the Iranians, Fatah, Hamas and other illiberal regimes), this seems an uphill battle.

Many in the media, though—which has spent considerable time lamenting its deteriorating influence and the rise of fake news—also decided to start the new year by internalizing a partisan-driven fantasy about the Russians electing Trump with incessant coverage, deceptive headlines and misleading stories.

One recent CNN tweet read, "US officials say newly identified 'digital fingerprints' indicate Moscow was behind election hacking." The number of times I've seen a reputable news organization use terms like "election hacking" is now incalculable. It is a lie—every time.

By "election hacking," reporters and editors mean there might be evidence that Russians successfully phished a Democratic operative named John Podesta, who used the word "password" as his password. Although we should thoroughly investigate foreigners who illegally access American emails, this is not tantamount to infiltrating an election or undermining its legitimacy.

In November, the Washington Post ran a flimsy piece purporting that the "flood of 'fake news' this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign." Last week, it reported that a Russian-backed computer hacking operation had been found inside the system of a Vermont utility company and had penetrated the U.S. power grid. If true, this would be genuinely scary stuff. But it wasn't true. A few days later, the Post—after much effort to save the piece—had to finally admit that "authorities say there is no indication of that so far."

To say there is no indication that Russia tried to infiltrate the grid "so far" almost seems like someone is hoping the story might one day turn out to be true. In any event, everyone makes mistakes. But it's difficult to imagine these sorts of pieces—hampered with numerous problems from the start—didn't have something to do with partisan narratives about Russian influence infecting newsrooms. These kinds of pieces only weaken the impact of genuine foreign-hacking stories.

Many in the left-wing punditry have already taken to speaking about the stolen 2016 election. "The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election," says David Corn in a headline. New York's Jonathan Chait asserted that not only was there "evidence that Russian intelligence carried out a successful plan to pick the government of the United States" but it was "probable that the hacks swung enough votes to decide a very tight race," and the latter could not be "proven."

In politics, proving something isn't nearly as important as feeling it. So it's not surprising that a recent Economist/YouGov poll found that 52 percent of Democrats believe Russia "tampered with vote tallies"—not that it leaked real emails to the public but that it altered the outcome of the ballots in the presidential election. There is no proof of this happening, or that it was even attempted. The fact is, Democrats are now more likely to believe the Russians installed Trump into the presidency than Republicans are to have ever believed President Barack Obama is a Muslim.

It's unsurprising that losers of an election would attempt to minimize its validity. It happens all the time. But for the same people who were lamenting our deteriorating trust in democratic institutions—all the rage not long ago—to now embrace this kind of conspiratorial rhetoric is unprecedented. It's a lot more damaging than the Podesta hack. It also undermines genuine concerns about Russian activity. Because Russia is not our friend. (It is not today, and it was not when Dems were mocking Mitt Romney, or when Obama was promising them space.) Julian Assange is not our friend. And Russia has nothing to do with the predicament in which Democrats find themselves. A person can believe all those things.

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  1. Whether Russia is or Assange is or is is not our friend is immaterial, the hacking allegations appear to be bullshit. After the debacle that was the pre Iraq War II intelligence justification, the idea of taking allegations from the US intelligence community regarding anything of note at face value is laughable.

    Show me the proof and I’m open to persuasion but barring that fuck off.

    1. True and honestly I’m scared for the agency heads at Trump’s ‘intel’ briefing tomorrow. He’s already come out swinging: “So how and why are they so sure about hacking if they never even requested an examination of the computer servers? What is going on?” They are toast.

      1. They might need a couple of extra Valium to sleep tomorrow night, that’s for sure.

        1. Don’t feed trolls.

          1. Watch out. He might just be trolling you into telling him not to feed the trolls.

      2. Oh, they requested to examine the servers all right. And the DNC, in a rare display of common sense, turned them down.

        Despite there being nothing incriminating or incredibly embarrassing on those servers.

        1. Since when did the intelligence community need to request examining servers? What the fuck is the NSA doing with that massively expensive snooping system you paid for?

    2. On top of that, James Clapper has zero credibility. He has been caught lying to the American people. He should at the very least have been fired instantly. Yet now I’m expected to take his word for it that the Russians are the only ones who could possibly have figured out that Podesta’s password was “password”. Jesus crackers.

      1. Whether Clapper ever lied or not, I think it is hilariously contradictory to ask us to trust someone who’s job requires a skill set of lying, cheating, stealing, sneaking, deviousness, etc.

      2. Podesta should be the one accused of revealing secrets.

  2. I followed the election closely, and yes, there were a few Russian trolls posting comments (e.g. ‘bacon-magic’) but they were easy to identify and didn’t change anyone’s mind. And secondly, the only propaganda I recall were anti-Russia nonsense from WaPo. First on the PropOrNot site, which I investigated and was blatant propaganda and extremely easy to discredit just by clicking the links (WaPo issued an Editor’s Note but never a retraction – thoroughly shameful!), and secondly the VT utilities story you mention. There was of course tons of bad press on both sides but as for the ‘fake news’ even Tim Kaine admits – even a fourth grader wouldn’t believe it. Meaning, if people voted for Trump because of it – we have only ourselves to blame. Plus, I’ve followed the comment boards after the election and not a single person expressed remorse or regret at voting for Trump. Plus – remember when Trump said “I like people who weren’t caught” – in reference to McCain. And his numbers increased. Why? For the same reason people cheered when he said, “Wouldn’t it be nice to be friends with Russia?” Anyway I could go on.

    1. Much of this neo-McCarthyism is also driven by the need to protect Hillary – “She’s not evil – blame the Russians.” Which is actually kind of cute and noble. Actually I think that strategy will work even if they have to backpedal on the allegations – and they will soon.

    2. Oh and I have to point out the irony in the dems’ GOTV drives. Cajole people into doing something they don’t really want to. Let me know how that turns out for you.

    3. One more thing – Putin is largely responsible for the Syrian war and the refugee crisis. Blaming it all on Obama is completely unfair – and Trump will only make the situation worse. (And yes, the Trumpkins still cheer.)

      1. Huh? Obamas “red line” clusterfuck was one of the worst foreign policy blunders I’ve ever seen in my lifetime…

        1. Don’t feed trolls and sock puppets.

      2. Russia did not instigate the uprising in Syria. Not did they arm the so-called, but non-existent ‘moderate opposition’. I know that in today’s political climate everything Russia does is ‘bad’ and anything the West does is ‘good’, but the world doesn’t work that way and foreign policy definitely doesn’t work that way.

        The West overthrew Ukraine’s democratically elected president because he was too pro-Russia. Then Putin did what the West didn’t expect: he fought back by seizing Crimea and invading eastern Ukraine. Same thing happened in Syria.

        Putin is a son of a bitch, no doubt, but no more than the Chinese or the Saudis. We need to either work with these people and not back down (ie. a ‘red line’ should be a red line) or we need to just make war. I, for one, think we need to work with them (and NOT back down). The last thing the US should be doing is looking to make an excuse for wat in another country that Americans cannot even identify on a map (“war is God’s way of teaching Americans geography”).

        1. “war is God’s way of teaching Americans geography”

          +1 KONY 2012 but I can’t find Uganda on a map…

      3. “Blaming it all on Obama is completely unfair”

        Oh there’s plenty of blame to go around, believe you me.

  3. I don’t understand why we’re not at least at DEFCON 2 right now.

      1. Why does anyone feed this vermin?

        1. If you give a mouse a cookie…

          1. You will kill him slowly with DIABETES.

        2. I don’t know. Why did you just do it?

  4. Hillary lost because people found out the truth. That was not supposed to happen. No fair.

    Now, lets distract everyone by demonizing someone who wasn’t the messenger.

    1. I’m still wondering when the Democrats will be outraged at whoever leaked part of Trump’s tax return to the New York Times. After all, isn’t leaking private stuff to change election results the most heinous crime that can be committed?

      1. But we were owed Trump’s tax returns, you see. Hillary’s secret Wall Street speeches, on the other hand, were totally none of our business.

  5. First, Russian President Vladimir Putin is an authoritarian who, though no Josef Stalin, subverts human rights and is generally antagonistic to the idealistic aims of the United States.

    The tendency to universalize values probably doesn’t explain Putin.

    He’s a thug. He wants a lot for him. He wants to maintain his power. Since he controls Russia, he wants Russia to have more power.

    Who is better for that for him? Neocon Hillary, or Nationalist Isolationist Trump?

    Why would he give a shit about how much freedom *we* have? Not his problem. He’s not an ideological crusader. He wants power for him. If more freedom for US citizens means more power for Putin, he’ll be for that.

    He helped Snowden. Let’s suppose he actually gave the info to Assange. In both cases, US peasants got truthful information on government corruption. More freedom for US citizens.

    These two things can be true – Putin is a thug, but he’s been making the US more free.

    1. Because it’s in his interest to make the US more free – or, more likely in his screwed up worldview, ‘more chaotic’.

  6. Democrats are now more likely to believe the Russians installed Trump into the presidency than Republicans are to have ever believed President Barack Obama is a Muslim.

    I actually think Obama being a secret Muslim is more likely than a direct hack of the voting machines by the Russians.

    1. personally i don’t think Obama has any religion, he just uses them to his own benifit and he is an anti colonialist due to his hatred of America as it is

      1. He’s not anti-colonialist, the only time anyone in his family criticized colonialism it was colonialism that got in the way of _American_ colonialism. The objection wasn’t to colonialism per se but to America not being the colonial power. He himself has helped spread US power as much as he could, attempting to turn as many countries as possible into US satrapies. It’s not his fault that doesn’t work anymore.

    2. I don’t think anyone is claiming that Russians hacked voting machines. Every mainstream new piece I’ve seen about it specifically mentions that no one is actually saying that Russians interfered with the actual vote.

  7. First, Russian President Vladimir Putin is an authoritarian who, though no Josef Stalin, subverts human rights and is generally antagonistic to the idealistic aims of the United States. When Republicans cozy up to this sort of person, as President-elect Donald Trump has done, they undermine the stated beliefs and values of conservatism.

    I can’t think of a single human rights abusing autocrat that the United States have ever cozied up to. Except, you know, Stalin.

    How much money is the U.S. government giving to the el-Sisi government nowadays?

    1. I think the Saudi Royal Family is a lot worse than Putin. And we went to war in 1990 to save their sorry asses. You cna’t overstate how dishonest and stupid David Harsanyi is. One easy way to tell when someone is particularly stupid is when they write an article whose premise you generally agree with and yet still manage to be offensively wrong in doing it. David Harsanyi is one of those people and this is one of those articles.

  8. First, Russian President Vladimir Putin is an authoritarian who, though no Josef Stalin, subverts human rights and is generally antagonistic to the idealistic aims of the United States. When Republicans cozy up to this sort of person, as President-elect Donald Trump has done, they undermine the stated beliefs and values of conservatism.

    So did Republicans undermine their values when they cuddled up to people like Pinochet, Syng-man Rhee, and even Mao during the Cold war? What what about when we cuddled up to Stalin during World War II? Did that undermine our values? Gee maybe our real interests in the world and circumstances require choices to be made. What a concept. This is not to say we should cozy up with Russia. But the fact that Putin is a bad guy in no way means we can’t or shouldn’t should circumstances and US interests dictate.

    I really wish David Harsanyi would become a Progressive. I find it embarrassing to have my side of the political spectrum associated with someone as stupid as he is.

    1. It’s the conservative version of virtue-signalling. “We support international FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY, BECAUSE MURICA.” *David drapes himself in the flag with a tag that says “Made by Chinese factory slaves”*

      1. It is a bit rich to hear Republicans who spent decades defending the Bushes and their endless love affair with the Saudis to now turn around and act shocked that Trump might be willing to work with Putin. You have to be fucking kidding me. I am one of those Republicans who defended the Bushes. So it especially galls me to see other people who did now decide that no US President can ever cozy up to an undemocratic or insufficiently free regime., Do these assholes even read what they write?

        1. Say what you want about the virtues of IR realists and Realpolitik, those guys don’t turn around and suddenly grow a conscience when people they don’t like are running the show.

          1. People like David are so transparent. If Jeb Bush were the President elect and talking detente with the Russians, David would be on here talking about what a geopolitical genius Jeb is and the need to work with the Russians to defeat radical Islam.

            People like him are just pissed they are not in charge and won’t be getting jobs or having any influence in the new administration.

    2. “What what about when we cuddled up to Stalin during World War II? Did that undermine our values?”

      Fuck yes that did. And we’re still suffering the fallout of fighting a war that empowered the communist fucks. Marxism and National Socialism are pretty much the same thing, but liberal apologists are common for Marxism because, ultimately, they were painted as the “good guys” in the US narrative at one point in time, which made them more socially acceptable then the Germans with the SAME ideology but who were painted as the “bad guys”.

      “Gee maybe our real interests in the world and circumstances require choices to be made. What a concept.”

      Fine. If that’s the argument you want to make, then we should’ve backed Hitler. Stalin was worse, and fighting a war that empowered the Communist bastards only led to a long-drawn out conflict. Backing Hitler would’ve helped the US more in the long run, shattering the dangerous and violent ideology that has largely infected every single nation on a small degree after wreaking havoc in a worldwide scale for half a century.

      “But the fact that Putin is a bad guy in no way means we can’t or shouldn’t should circumstances and US interests dictate.”

      Regardless of your ~stupidity~ in thinking that enabling communism and Marxism to spread throughout the world wreaking havoc and destruction on all of humanity was in our interests… I ultimately agree with this statement. There’s no harm in just getting to non-hostile relations with Russia.

      1. Fuck yes that did.

        Losing the war to the fascists would have compromised them even more. Sometimes life doesn’t offer any good choices. Choosing the best bad option available doesn’t undermine your values.

        Fine. If that’s the argument you want to make, then we should’ve backed Hitler.

        That wasn’t an option dumb ass. Hitler declared war on us. And Stalin was allied with Hitler until Hitler declared war on him.,

        Regardless of your ~stupidity~ in thinking that enabling communism and Marxism to spread throughout the world wreaking havoc and destruction on all of humanity was in our interests…

        Putin is a nationalist. He is not a communist and not an existential threat to us the way the old USSR was.

        You really are remarkably stupid. Wow are you fucking stupid.

      2. Fine. If that’s the argument you want to make, then we should’ve backed Hitler. Stalin was worse, and fighting a war that empowered the Communist bastards only led to a long-drawn out conflict. Backing Hitler would’ve helped the US more in the long run, shattering the dangerous and violent ideology that has largely infected every single nation on a small degree after wreaking havoc in a worldwide scale for half a century.

        That paragraph is so rife with stupidity, it is hard to know where to begin. Hitler not Stalin was allied with Japan. Had that been reversed and Stalin been allied with Japan and Stalin attacked Hitler, we very well might have had to ally ourselves with Hitler. What the fuck choice would we have had once Japan attacked us and the USSR declared war on us?

        I can tolerate differences of opinion, but I can’t tolerate rank fucking ignorance. And that is what you are posting.

  9. When Republicans cozy up to this sort of person, as President-elect Donald Trump has done, they undermine the stated beliefs and values of conservatism.

    No, I’d say Putin’s attitude has a lot in common with conservatism.

  10. …idealistic aims of the United States.

    Our targeting computers have feelings too.

    1. “Johnny 5…is alive?”

      “Goddammit, the Apache’s going sentient again, where’s the reboot button?”

    2. And since when should the US have “idealistic aims” at all? I don’t care what your political affiliation, if you pay taxes in this country you have a right to expect your government to act in the country’s best interests. Assholes like David here think of the government as their private toy to be funded by the rest of us and used for what they see as a better world. Well, the world doesn’t pay taxes, so fuck them.

      1. I dunno, John. Harsanyi’s premises are precious, and he’s clearly just as out of touch with the common man as everyone else in the media these days. I don’t think that qualifies him as uniquely an asshole though. Shaun King and Krugman, they’re assholes. David Harsanyi’s last paragraph was pretty good, though. He’s got the right idea, it seems, he just can’t or hasn’t gotten far enough outside the bubble to craft new and compelling thoughts from it.

        I think he’ll get there in the end. Krugman just needs to be fired. From a cannon would be favorite.

        1. I have less faith in him that you. The fact that he isn’t Krugman and should know better makes him more annoying in my view. Krugman is just a nut. David isn’t and should know better but doesn’t because he lives in a bubble and confuses smugness for wisdom. I find that particularly enraging.

  11. Whoa there David…who exactly is “our friend”? Israel? Britain? Does a bully even have “friends”? Do conservatives have ideals? Is Julian Assange maybe a friend of open government, but does that make him our friend? Maybe because we don’t give a rats ass about open government?
    Who is Harsany addressing this piece to? Neocons and liberal interventionists?
    Russia is a 1000 year old Viking civilization that chose Orthodox Christianity over Frankish Catholicism. Putin doesn’t want to be our “friend”. Russia had enough of the IMF and “liberal benevolent hegemony” after it was raped and plundered by Soros, Bush 41, Clinton, Larry Summers and its own oligarchs under Yeltsin. Putin is a hero to average Russians because he defeated the Whahabis and drove out the “liberal” oligarchs. Get over it, Harsani. We live in a multi polar world now.

    1. Get over it, Harsani. We live in a multi polar world now.

      Bingo. We live in a world of great powers who act in their own interests. The cold war is over. The idea of some kind of Pax Americana enforced by US taxpayer money and blood was never real. To the extent it existed at all, it existed because of a unique set of circumstances created by the cold war that no longer exist.

      It is not nor should it be the US’s job to evangelize the cause of freedom and democracy in the world. The US is a great power and not only needs to start acting like one, but also needs to understand that other great powers are going to act like great powers as well.

  12. … smear those who don’t join them in this endeavor as unpatriotic …

    Can’t. Too pale. NYT and WaPo would call me a white nationalist.

  13. The number of times I’ve seen a reputable news organization use terms like “election hacking”…

    …equals the number of times Hillary’s private server was referred to as a “private email account.”

    1. A private email account that everyone knew was in no danger of being hacked by a hostile foreign power. The Russians apparently wanted to “hack the election” but never obtained the treasure trove of classified data Hillary left on an unsecured server out of respect for her I guess.

  14. I had to quit reading after idealistic aims of the United States. That simple statement threw the whole articles integrity into question. As to the basis of the article why does anyone care if Russia hacked the DNC. If politicians in general were not such lying thieving SOBs it wouldn’t matter if they were hacked. They were shown for the scum they are and like all cock roaches they can’t stand being in the spotlight.

    1. If Russia had leaked false information about a candidate, I would be angry. But truthful information? What the hell do I care about that?

      And I would love to hear one good that has ever come of the US pursuing idealistic aims. Whatever it is, it is greatly outweighed by the enormous harms that has resulted from assholes like David using US power to try and save the world.

  15. Just once, I’d like to hear Clapper, Obo or that hag state the *specific* charges against Russia.

    This morning:
    ” the nation’s intelligence chief insisted Thursday that U.S. agencies are more confident than ever that Russia interfered in America’s recent presidential election.”
    http://www.sfgate.com/nation/a…..838453.php

    What’d they do, load some Trump voters in a car and take them to the poling station? Someone needs to be flagged for goal-post in motion;

  16. Based on the revelations here, I almost want to try to log in to every government official’s emails trying “password” and “Password”… how many high-level idiots are that stupid??

  17. Is it just me, or do any of you remember the Sony hack supposedly done by North Korea in retaliation for the movie The Interview? I seem to remember a bunch of related threats which caused them to call off release of the movie in theaters. I also seem to recollect that our trusted intelligence agencies said, “oh yeah, definitely North Korea is behind this”. Then a few weeks later it was found out to be an inside job at Sony.
    Pardon me for not buying into their expert opinions.

    1. Almost all big hacks are inside jobs. The stereotype of some genius nerd at a keyboard taking down a corporation is a myth. Hacks are nearly always the result of insiders granting access to hackers or hackers obtaining access through nondigital methods like breaking into the office and stealing the passwords or brute DNS attacks.

      Government intelligence agencies have done some real hacking but even that is not from remote network intrusions alone and usually involve hardware being compromised before its delivery.

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  19. Don’t pin the fear mongering and scare tactics entirely on the Ds. Filthy neocons like Grandpappy McCain, and Graham, whose been wiping the drool off his chin since Lieberman retired, and all the of the other psychopathic peacocks who have turned this country’s foreign policy in to an open sewer and would like nothing better to revive the Cold War are far more guilty. Because for the Ds it’s simply a matter of “rooting for laundry”, as Seinfeld said. Their gal lost and they don’t like it. The Joe McCarthy acolytes on the right really believe it.

  20. Take it from one very serious software engineer who has investigated such incidences before: The difference between an attack by a serious hacking consortium like Anonymous and a State actor is like the difference between a super soaker assault and being hit by a 8 inch HE artillery round. The Podesta breach certainly could have been a script kiddie’s doing but the DNC attack was done by a State sponsored cyber espionage unit. Can we all say Stuxnet lite?

    1. Get the very serious software engineer to speak for herself.

  21. “Julian Assange is not our friend.”

    Does that mean that Reason or David H. is against transparency, or is David just concerned with our alleged “national security”? You don’t have to like him, but Assange does seem to be concerned with truth and honesty, and I have trouble seeing that as a bad thing.

  22. You don’t have to be a Russia booster to dismiss claims Russia hacked the U.S. election.

    But you do need evidence, which you do not have. There is at least the FBI and the CIA who say they have high degree of certainty that Russians did so.

    You, at best are skeptical that they do not, and at worst in denial.

    Most of all you are engaging in a fallacy when you dismiss it because you do not like it

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  24. Good commentary, just what I expect of Reason.

    Please let the Democrats continue to think the Russians and Trump conspired to steal the election from H. Clinton. Don’t inspire them to change. Let them keep making themselves irrelevant, as described by the liberal magazine The Nation:

    “Since Obama’s victory in 2008, Democrats are down seventy seats in the House and fifteen in the Senate, giving an increasingly reactionary Republican Party the power to stymie most if not all of the Democrats’ agenda. But this actually understates the damage. Democrats are now the minority in over two-thirds of the nation’s partisan state legislative chambers, their worst showing in history. In twenty-three of these, Republicans will control the governor’s office, too.” -thenation.com/article/192393/trouble-democrats

  25. you’ve missed the point completely. Worse than hacking the election (impossible, with 100,000 mostly independent election districts overseen my millions of public minded citizens intent on free and fair elections) is the corrosive effect Putin’s disinformation campaign had on the America’s trust in our institutions of civil society.

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