Bloodthirsty Mickey Mouse Attacks Innocent Children
Friday A/V Club: Japanese propagandists do Disney.


Mickey Mouse was a bloodthirsty imperialist rat. Or at least that's the impression I get from Toy Box Series, Episode 3: Picture Book 1936, a cartoon that, in Mickey's defense, probably shouldn't be taken as canonical, since it wasn't made by Disney. Instead it was produced by propagandists in Japan.
Let me back up. In 1922, the governments of the United States, Japan, Britain, France, and Italy finished negotiating the Five-Power Treaty, which limited naval construction. It was set to expire at the end of 1936. That is probably why this film—released in 1934—picks 1936 for the year that Mickey, already a symbol of America, launches a military assault. A group of innocent children and animals (including, if my eyes don't deceive me, Felix the Cat) are living an idyllic life before Mickey swoops in on the back of a bat, followed by a fleet of other bats, all of whom, confusingly, have Mickey Mouse heads. Aided by snake and alligator armies, Mickey and the bats attack, and they seem to be winning until some traditional Japanese characters emerge from a storybook to lead the defense.
I don't know enough about Japanese folklore to identify these defenders myself, but Open Culture's Ted Mills says they range "from Momotaro ('Peach Boy') and Kintaro ('Golden Boy') to Issun-boshi ('One Inch Boy') and Benkei, a warrior monk," adding, "The not-so-subtle message: Mickey Mouse may be your hero, America, but our characters are older, more numerous, and way more beloved. Our pop culture is older than yours!" And also apparently better at combat, because they beat the invaders and magically transform Mickey into a decrepit old man:
And that, children, is how Japan won World War II.
Bonus link #1: I interviewed Mickey Mouse back in 2003. You can tell it was a softball interview because I didn't bring up this shameful episode.
Bonus link #2: I'm told Donald Duck was an imperialist too.
Bonus links #3 and 4: Hey, did you know they've started making genuinely good Mickey Mouse cartoons again? Check out this one and this one.
Bonus link #5: For past editions of the Friday A/V Club, go here.
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And in other news, a heapin helpin of derp:
Kids own their own body!
Um, no miss retard, they don't and neither do you. Here's the test.
1. Ingest some 'controlled' substance.
2. Go to local police station.
3. Tell them you've just ingested some illicit substance and that you'd like to take a blood test to prove it.
4. Go to cage.
But if she had a son, she would have mutilated his penis when he was just a few days old. Because Jehovah.
Or daughter vagina, because Mohammed. These religions are really into mutilating the privates.
Did you try the halibut? I hear it is really good.
I hear the ladies call Matt Welch "one inch boy."
Am I doing the fake news thing right?
So did the Japs get Koreans to do their animation like we do? That video is all kinds of effed up.
I have no idea, but given Japenese-Korean racial emnity, and the Japanese intense fondness for their domestic comics-culture, I'd assume that's a no.
Maybe they let them do some of the grunt work.... like drawing the tentacles.
Not then! But they started doing it in late 90s to save money. Turned out to be a huge problem, since all the entry jobs are now outsourced to Korea, so it's harder for new animators to enter the industry.
It's part of the reason their animation industry is garbage compared to 80s and 90s. Other part is, everyone competent goes into video games, which actually pay salary you can live on.
It's part of the reason their animation industry is garbage compared to 80s and 90s.
I didn't know Miyazaki posted here.
You know it's true. Back in our day, when we had a self-insert teenage protagonist, he was a talented fighter pilot, an aspiring knight or a martial arts expert. What do we have today? A bunch of nothings for NEETs to identify with!
And that's without going into manly-men, like Ken from Fist of the North Star, space adventurer Cobra or Captain Harlock!
A bunch of nothings for NEETs to identify with!
Worse than that are the writers' self-inserts. My last girlfriend liked Sword Art Online, and my god is the main character in that just the bestest nerd ever, and he gets all the ladies, not like the stupid emotionally distant jocks!
Fucking harem animes are the worst.
So what is your take on GATE or Attack on Titan?
I really need to watch Attack on Titan, by everything I heard...
You should, it has a wonderful message. Also, the art is solid.
GATE's at it's best when:
1. They're stomping on the primitives with 80s JSDF tech.
2. Discussing the politics of both the real and fantasy world (except the Japanese ultranationalist masturbatory fantasies of them fighting Russian and American special forces and winning)
3. Kobayashi has a bayonet.
The problem is the other 70% of it is harem anime.
At the same time no less!
I'm willing to overlook this to the extent they provide me with fanservice. However, your points are well taken. It distracts from the general awesomeness of ruining a medieval army with artillery.
It is a guilty pleasure of mine, I just wish they played it a little more straight as an analysis of Japanese military capability and its political situation. In my head that would actually make it a more presuasive piece for rearmament, like Gasaraki.
"The not-so-subtle message: Mickey Mouse may be your hero, America, but our characters are older, more numerous, and way more beloved. Our pop culture is older than yours!"
If you think that's the message of a Japanese cartoon, you don't know Japanese cartoons. It's just as likely the cartoon is an instructional agricultural tract on eradicating mung bean weevils. Who the hell knows what that stuff's about?
Deep down, it's an angst tract by someone who could never achieve any form of praise from their parents.
Did you are the Mickey Mouse cartoon where he died of a drug overdose?
That's a metaphor for life
I love this cartoon. It, like much of the non-PC WWII propaganda, is hysterically funny because of its outright lunacy. Another favorite is this one: And The Academy Award Winning Best Oscar Short for 1943!
Cute
Serious talk, Americans, why can't you make propaganda like that anymore?
Shit, you used to be able to make paying taxes sound badass!
There was a tax revolt like the TEA Party in the 1930s? that paying income taxes short is probably the trailing edge of the Pay Your Taxes counter revolt.
Possibly. Though it's 1943, at least you see where some of tax income is going.
Also notable in that short is the Thrifty Donald as precursor to Scrooge McDuck, who came a few years later, and is the greatest hero American pop culture produced in the 20th century.
Donald Duck didn't get conscripted because he had flat feet.
One of the great injustices of WW2 is that no Western nation treated their merchant marine as soldiers, despite them being torpedoed, shelled and bombed in huge numbers. Donald Duck is obviously one of those heroes.
TSA agents hardest hit.
So which is it, war propaganda or clashing pop cultures? Or did the Japanese govt commission this to support their domestic anime industry against western influence?
There's so many deeper interpretations one could come up with from the symbolism here besides just winning and losing militarily...
So which is it, war propaganda or clashing pop cultures?
It is not unusual for nationalist propaganda to have both cultural and political elements. (Though 1934 is a little early for "war propaganda" to be the right phrase.)
Umm, Japan invaded China in 1931.
Umm, Japan invaded China in 1931.
I know. The film is about America.
Ooh "nationalist" there's a loaded word. Sounds rather like you're going with my third option.
My point is what is the backstory for calling this propaganda? A direct govt decree to make it? Maybe it was about how pacifism beats militarism, or how Japanese culture is so strong it will survive encroachment from western influence without requiring they meet it with military force. Plenty symbolism can be drawn from the opening of the dangerous magic box too.
My point is what is the backstory for calling this propaganda? A direct govt decree to make it?
Governments are not the only institutions that produce propaganda.
Maybe it was about how pacifism beats militarism
That seems unlikely, given that the defenders engage in traditional violence in addition to that burst of magic at the end.
The "govt decree" was just one suggestion. You can propose an alternative. Is "True Lies" a propaganda film? Serious question.
The US invaded Japanese ports and threatened them repeatedly in the 19th century. Not to mention the occupation of much of the pacific after that. Pretty big deal to them, though not even rating a mention when we talk about Japanese politics on our end. It makes sense for them to regard the US as an existential threat to their existence and for their "art" to reflect that fear.
Is "True Lies" a propaganda film?
Hollywood has certainly produced plenty of propaganda films, though True Lies might not be the best example. (I last saw it 22 years ago, but I remember there being a thick layer of satire in that one.) Top Gun might be a better example.
I don't think this is genuinely Japanese made: there is a marked lack of barely pubescent girls with massive bouncy mammaries bursting out of their little dresses.
Sample video for comparison?
There are so many to choose from!
So many.
Warning - some of it may not be legal to view as they afoul of American child pornography laws. Or at least as enforced by certain prosecutors.
Also, another oddity of Japanese cartoons. If the women are small breasted, they tend to be the adult characters.
You can tell the good stuff because there it's not true.
"There are three things I hate Jet. Pets, kids and women with attitudes. WHAT ARE ALL THREE DOING ON THE SHIP?!?"
I seem to recall that any story that was even remotely upbeat on that show was one of the non-arc episodes. Anything tied to the main plot arc tended to be a real downer.
Indeed it was. Because Spike Spiegel is a dumbass who can't let go of the past and grab the present (i.e. Faye) by the boob.
Which, to be fair, is his flaw as a tragic hero and thus the plot arc ends the way it always had to. But man, stand-alones were so fun!
I watched the space lobster episode high as fuck as a teenager and it legitimately creeped me the hell out.
You are talking about the one where he tried to hide a rock lobster from the rest of the crew then forgot about it, right?
Yeah the Alien homage/rip-off.
It's very entertaining when not on mind-altering substances.
I'm not complaining, the horror was just way more effective when on mind-altering substances.
Fuck it, I'm getting some scotch tonight and rewatching it this weekend.
A very ominous aspect of the cartoon is the march of the snakes.
You notice that there are many more files in the ranks marching down into the valley farther back than in the ranks cresting the hill close by.
That means some of the files are detaching from the main formation in the defilade of the hill and are going off on some secret mission. They are never dealt with, and I suspect that the main purpose of Mickey's attack was to succesfully infiltrate them on the island while lulling the heroic nipponese into letting their guard down because they wrongly feel they beat off the dastardly yankee attack.
I noticed that too. Always allow room for a sequel.
"Watch for spies and sabateurs!" - wherein the japanese toons find snakes in all sorts of odd spots
These euphemisms....
I eagerly await the Disney trademark infringement suit.
Momotaro rounds up a bunch of animals by bribing them with Kimidango to go to Demon Island to teach them a lesson. History mirroring art. Of course, Momotaro doesn't get his ass kicked in the end of that version. He brings home the Devil king and returns the sex slaves to their parents.
NYT's vacating 8 floors of its corporate HQ, will rent them out for revenue and resort to more 'common spaces.' The pinkos are on hard times right now and being compelled by reality to live up to their values.
The DNC can move in and complete the merger
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So China has seized an American underwater drone. Of course it totally wasn't spying or anything. Just doing some oceanography.
Sorry, this isn't the time to interrupt the national pants-wetting about Russian hacking the DNC
I would have preferred to find out we had underwater drones when they were released into the wild instead of when the Chinese stole one.
I'm stunned at how much this administration acts like Veep.
I am against calling these unmanned vehicles drones, as if they just go about doing whatever they want on their own without sentience. They are remotely controlled by humans.
I'm sorry, you can complain all you want, but the common parlance of English has decided that "drone" includes remotely operated vehicles.
I will not just surrender language to common parlance. Even if it is broadly accepted and winked at.
The language is not yours to own or surrender.
As to ownership, I agree, and I choose to argue for usage to be more accurate in a specific instance, which is certainly my prerogative. Making the case that this is a purposeful obfuscation of responsibility by clever language manipulation is my main point, and even if the whole Anglosphere rejects it out of convenience, it doesn't mean I am wrong.
No true drone?
Western pop culture, as exemplified by Mickey Mouse, isn't all that comes in for a licking. When Mickey is carrying out his attack, there are excerpts from Beethoven's 7th Symphony (last movement, I think), Mendelssohn's Overture to A Midsummer Night's Dream, and I believe I heard a snatch from Schubert's Der Erlkonig.
('One Inch Boy')
Glad that's not my nickname.
I'm glad they're doing Mickey Mice again, & good ones. Think there's any chance they'd revive the "Alice" series & have them come out any good?
Interesting factoid, the US experimented with tying incendiary devices to bats and releasing them to roost under the eaves of Japanese wooden houses an set them on fire.
Animal ceramic coffee cup. After puting in hot water,the image that hot warrior will appear,so hot.