Trump Vs. White House on Hacking, Obama Leases Post-Presidency Office Space, Syrian Gov't Claims Control of Aleppo: P.M. Links

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  President-elect Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina talked about hacking in a meeting today. Fiorina, who campaigned on supporting and assisting the CIA in implementing its post-9/11 mass surveillance program, may be under consideration for Trump's director of national intelligence.

• The White House is annoyed that Trump is dismissive of intelligence community claims that Russia hacked the Democratic Party to leak info to try to influence the election in his favor.
• French authorities have arrested 11 people they believe assisted the Islamic terrorist who killed dozens with a truck in Nice months ago.
• President Barack Obama has leased office space in the headquarters of the World Wildlife Federation for whatever he plans to do after he leaves office.
• The Supreme Court passed on considering two death penalty cases today, but Justice Stephen Breyer is still pushing for the full court to consider with executing prisoners is unconstitutional.
• Syrian government forces now claim to control 99 percent of Aleppo.
• Time for your regular reminder that it's hard to cut back on pork spending, especially in military contracting, because it gets spread around to jobs in districts all across the country. Pork, see, is when the government spends money in other people's districts, not yours.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

President-elect Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina talked about hacking in a meeting today.

SHE HAS A FACE FOR IT.

[Anomalous]

The first time ever I hacked her face…

[Rufus The Monocled]

Hello.

“President Barack Obama has leased office space in the headquarters of the World Wildlife Federation for whatever he plans to do after he leaves office.”

‘Wildlife’ doesn’t mean what I think it means, right?

[DEG]

Guten Tag

[Rufus The Monocled]

/air pistol.

[DEG]

Relax

[Rufus The Monocled]

Niiiiiice.

[Dick N. Bimbose (n?e Cooper)]

I like this one.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Do wookies count as “wildlife”? Asking for a friend.

I spent 5 hours yesterday with my daughter at her best friend’s birthday party yesterday. I DVR’d the Eagles game, avoided spoilers, and watched when I got home.

The party was far less painful than the game.

[Zeb]

I fucking hate the Eagles, man.

[AceDroman]

Get your own fucking cab Zeb

[Clich? Bandit]

Try being a Bronco fan.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Y’all won the Super Bowl last year. You can’t complain for at least 5 years after you win a Super Bowl.

[TheDefendor]

Try being a Bills fan. 17Yrs old, no playoffs. Its pathetic.

[Flakfizer is Ballet, Jr.]

When I was a 17-year old Bills fan*, they had just lost their second of four straight Super Bowls. So it gets better – and worse.

*- I have no favorite team nowadays.

[Crusty Juggler]

Try being a Bills fan. 17Yrs old, no playoffs. Its pathetic.

And yet each year I talk myself into thinking, “this will be the year.” And then I drink myself to sleep in early December. Related even though it’s a few years old: Joe Pera talking about the Bills.

[TheDefendor]

i jumped on the bandwagon as a kid in 1990. I know how u feel. Been saying year after year, maybe -insert name of flunky qb or coach- will turn them around. But they never do. Sad when a person would rather watch the Hilary Clinton interviews instead of their fav football team but thats where i am.

[Mickey Rat]

For most of this drought, they are just good enough to give hope and bad enough to always dash it.

[Mercutio]

Boy I Love Losing Super Bowls

[waffles]

Wooks are indeed wildlife. No limit, bag, tag, then release.

[Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!]

I DVR’d the Eagles game,

The Philadelphia NRA Blue Eagles?

[R C Dean]

Its a few blocks from Golf Smash, a driving range, and a short drive to the Washington Golf and Country Club.

[Ted S.]

I don’t think Obama wrestles with his conscience.

[bacon-magic]

5 out of 10. Too easy.
How about “Carly, why the long face, has the world got you down?”

[Playa Manhattan.]

A Carly walks into a bar.

[Fist of Etiquette]

THE DAY I GET JUDGED BY SECOND TIER COMMENTERS…

[Chipper Morning Wood]

What? Did they back our radios as well?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

What? Did they hack our radios as well?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

What? Did they hack our radios as well?

[bacon-magic]

Squirrels have hacked you Chipper.

[Zeb]

At least they corrected his spelling too.

[SQWRLZ: Deplorable Woodchipper]

No, we didn’t. It was the Russians!!111!!

[Jerry on the sea]

Fiorina … may be under consideration for Trump’s director of national intelligence.

I would have gone with Martha Stewart, but I guess you can’t have everything.

[Clich? Bandit]

Martha should head up the SEC

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

That would be epic Trumping.

[JEP]

She’s only an expert on inside information.

[Pro Libertate]

She was convicted of lying to investigators, not for insider trading. No proof, you see.

[AlmightyJB]

Squirrels picking up extra holiday work

[Sevo]

“A parks department spokesman says the squirrels appear to have a fondness for copper.”

How about what the Cu conducts? Seems that would be pretty much self-limiting; 110V to the chops isn’t gonna happen twice.

[Playa Manhattan.]

I bet the lights are plugged into GFCI outlets.

They won’t learn their lesson, and you’ll have to show up with your night vision goggles and pellet gun.

[Lee Genes]

Squirrels love chewing electrical wire for some reason. It’s a common repair on power poles.

[SQWRLZ: Deplorable Woodchipper]

Dissidentia rodentia

[Fist of Etiquette]

The White House is annoyed that Trump is dismissive of intelligence community…

They’re losing their grip on the narrative!

[bacon-magic]

Show ’em where to grab, el Donaldo!

[inannas7]

Delicious tears

[Injun, as in from India]

Syrian government forces now claim to control 99 percent of Aleppo.

Gary Johnson still doesn’t know what it is.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Is that a consensus?

[Jerry on the sea]

I imagine there is not a lot left of Aleppo anyways.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

What’s a Leppo?

[rts]

Students rip down Shakespeare portrait at UPenn

Students at the University of Pennsylvania removed a portrait of Shakespeare from a prominent location in the school’s English department after complaining that he did not represent a diverse range of writers.

In fact, the chair of the department confirmed in a statement that the portrait was stripped from the wall by his students as “a way of affirming their commitment to a more inclusive mission for the English department,” The Daily Pennsylvanian reports.

Well… that about wraps it up for Western Civilization.

[Playa Manhattan.]

The… what Department?

[Juvenile Bluster]

What did that old white male contribute to literature, anyways? Those poems I post on Tumblr about my angst are far better.

Besides, he was a racist. And an anti-Semite. And he hated wymyn.

[A Thinking Mind]

Shakespeare callously used the word “Moor,” ignoring all sense of political correctness. He can’t be very smart.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

They’re working on that, too.

[gaoxiaen]

What do you read my lord?
Wor…um nothing.

[Injun, as in from India]

The… what Department?

Starbucks Barista Training Department?

Wait, sorry. English degrees may still be worth it.

I’m thinking Grievance Studies with a minor in Anthropology.

[Citizen X]

I wouldn’t get too bummed out. I mean, come on – it’s UPenn.

[Playa Manhattan.]

They waitlisted me. So did Yale. I have to say I’m pretty happy about that right now.

[Citizen X]

“So, i hear you went to Yale.”

“I yust got out last week.”

[Playa Manhattan.]

Go make that joke at Yale and see what happens.

[Suthenboy]

They’ll call him a racist?

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Or worse yet, Swedish.

[Jimbo]

Shit, last year my son was declined at USC (my alma mater) and accepted at Cal. My wife, a Cal grad, has not come to terms with it. She’s worse than Clinton supporters.

[Playa Manhattan.]

He was declined at SC because of your checking account balance.

[Jimbo]

Oh hell, do you know about my overwithdrawal’s too?

[Playa Manhattan.]

No, but they do.

Cal is a better school. Then and now. SC is great for grad school, when it’s time to meet people who are successful.

I’d say that maybe your wife and I were classmates, but if you have a kid applying to college, probably not.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Who replaces him?

Tahini Coates?

[Injun, as in from India]

Ta-Nehisi Coates Hanger Abortion.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

There are several ways of interpreting that, Injun, some of them very disturbing.

[Tonio]

Some of them?

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Chipper still has scars on his noggin.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Hey, those are bite marks.

[Crusty Juggler]

Tahini Coates?

Grand Kleagle much?

[Anomalous]

Tahini Coates are outer garments made of sesame.

[gaoxiaen]

+1 Lamb Kebab

[Juvenile Bluster]

Students at the University of Pennsylvania have removed a large portrait of William Shakespeare from a wall in the building housing the English Department and replaced it with a photograph of Audre Lorde, a black writer who died in 1992, the Daily Pennsylvanian reports.

…

Born in Harlem in 1934, Lorde was daughter of Caribbean immigrants.

She described herself as “black, lesbian, mother, warrior, poet,” and her writing confronts and addresses racism, sexism, and homophobia, according to the Poetry Foundation.

I’m sure it will be up for a week or two until someone finds a reason she’s problematic.

[Rufus The Monocled]

I’m sure her works will last forever more and impact a civilization.

[C. Anacreon]

And no doubt, Audre Lorde’s poems will still be read and performed worldwide 500 years after she wrote them, and her words used as a basis for countless common expressions in multiple languages, unlike the nobody whose portrait she replaced.

Amazing. Now the deconstruction is complete, and it’s not about what you’ve made, it’s what identity group the person who created it is from. A transgender black latina could vomit in a cup, and that production is superior to all the combined works of Chaucer.

[Flakfizer is Ballet, Jr.]

Make your jokes, C., but you haven’t lived until you’ve read My Genderfluid Gag Reflex: The Collected Works of Moesha Garcia-Llanes.

[CatoTheChipper]

I don’t know why people think Shakespeare was all that good. Almost everything he wrote is a cliche.

[A Thinking Mind]

I like you.

[A Thinking Mind]

I’ve literally never heard of her until now.

Which is okay. If someone thinks that a particular author’s contributions to literature are being overlooked, then feel free to do things to promote her. But don’t pretend that Shakespeare doesn’t also deserve to be revered among the greatest contributors to the English language.

[bacon-magic]

Isn’t Tahini the sesame seed paste they put in hummus, eh?

[Rufus The Monocled]

Tahini is also its own paste.

Although you can make hummus without it.

[Clich? Bandit]

What the hell is wrong with you…You can’t make pizza with a deep dish, you cant make mayo without egg yolks, and you can’t make hummus without tahini.

GOD WHAT HAS THIS TRUMP ELECTION DONE TO THE PLANET?!?!?!?!

[Rufus The Monocled]

I’m just saying some don’t use it! I didn’t say me!

[bacon-magic]

Since I got the Sugar?, I’ve been developing a taste for hummus. Good stuff.

[Pro Libertate]

You know, he really was a fantastic writer. In fact, I’m afraid that most of the greats in English were [race/ethnicity deprecated.]

[Fist of Etiquette]

Too many Hamlets; not enough Othellos.

[Pro Libertate]

I have a thought. Just pretend everyone is a preferred identity class–pretty easy in most of Shakespeare. Except for gender, which will require some editing.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Eh… They all wore tights.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Put on Othello, have the only white guy in production play title role?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The Merchant of Venice doesn’t quite work.

[Pro Libertate]

Sure it does.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Anti-Semite.

[Pro Libertate]

Leftist, anti-Semite, what’s the difference?

[Rufus The Monocled]

“Zach Williams ? Office Support Associate at McKinley Health Center
1st: “greatest writer in the English language” lol what?

2nd: They didn’t destroy the portrait. They didn’t deface it. They took it off the wall and put it in the department chair’s office. Calm down.”

Awe. Some.

[inannas7]

I don’t see the big deal with Shakespeare, but you cant just erase history and pretend the world was always welcoming of diversity. Instead, celebrate the little victories you do get, and stop acting like a bunch of pu**ies when the whole world doesn’t cater to your ignorant ass.

[lafe.long]

pushies?
pullies?
puffies?
putties?
publies?
putzies?
purlies?

[Injun, as in from India]

Students at the University of Pennsylvania removed a portrait of Shakespeare from a prominent location in the school’s English department after complaining that he did not represent a diverse range of writers.

Seriously, this bunch of shrews need a tamin’

[Lee Genes]

A bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing.

[PapayaSF]

+1

[SimonD]

Students at the University of Pennsylvania removed a portrait of Shakespeare from a prominent location in the school’s English department after complaining that he did not represent a diverse range of writers.

This stuff has to be performance art (or something like it). If you give people attention and praise for being morons, you are going to be more idiotic behavior. If President Trump wants to over-ride the Constitution, I’d suggest that any University receiving federal funding must be headed by a retired Marine officer.

If nothing else, it would be entertaining.

[Eman]

That’s a perfect description of art school!

[Mercutio]

[A]ny University receiving federal funding must be headed by a retired Marine officer Drill Instructor.

FTFY.

[SugarFree]

Morons.

[Spartacus]

So, a single person does not represent a diverse range of writers. Got it, although I’m not sure how that’s not a tautology.

[Cyto]

Your comment does not represent a diverse range of comments.

[Eman]

Eh, I was thinking the same thing, and “diversity” pretty obviously means a lot of people thinking the same thing, so yeah, I think it does.

[A Thinking Mind]

Audre Lorde TOTALLY represents a wide range of writers from varying ethnicities and genders. Trust me. She’s like a white man in a Native American child’s soul inside of a black woman’s body, with her thoughts being beamed into her brain by a Martian.

[Playa Manhattan.]

The Russia thing is really bumming me out. Sarah Palin could see the whole thing from her backyard, and she did NOTHING.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Didn’t she?

[bacon-magic]

She was Trump’s liaison.

[Emmerson Biggins]

I think SugarFree wrote about that. I always skip those posts. I’m just too much of a prude.

[TheZeitgeist]

Syrian government forces now claim to control 99 percent of Aleppo.

What’s Aleppo?

[Citizen X]

French authorities have arrested 11 people they believe assisted the Islamic terrorist who killed dozens with a truck in Nice months ago.

Were they all getting divorced too?

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

That’s a whole lot of lone wolves there….

[rts]

Venezuelans prepare for largest currency note to be yanked

Demonetization seems to be en vogue these days.

[BakedPenguin]

Venezuelans are rushing to spend their 100-bolivar notes after President Nicolas Maduro’s announcement they will be taken out of circulation to stop the contraband smuggling “mafias” along the Colombian border that he says hoard cash outside the country.

Why the hell would you hoard currency that’s being inflated at 1000% a year?

[Citizen X]

Forget it, BP, it’s Socialismtown.

[SimonD]

To be fair, the quote did say Venezuelans were rushing to spend them. It’s just the ideological blinders refuse to let the writers see WHY the rush existed in the first place.

[VG Zaytsev]

He’s going to deal with the scourge of horses removing currency from the country by removing it from the country first.

Real man of genius.

[VG Zaytsev]

Horses, hoarders, potatoe potwato.

[B.P.]

I think “cashless society” means something different there.

[Injun, as in from India]

President Barack Obama has leased office space in the headquarters of the World Wildlife Federation for whatever he plans to do after he leaves office.

Are you sure it’s the WWF not the WWE?

[Citizen X]

YEAH BROTHER

[Flakfizer is Ballet, Jr.]

He’s about to do his Face Heel Turn.

[__Warren__]

IT’S SULK HOGAN’S MUSIC!

[Slumbrew]

IT’S SULK HOGAN’S MUSIC!

*THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE*

[SIV]

“Hailing from parts unknown”

[Anomalous]

Only office furniture is metal folding chairs.

[Eman]

How many kinds of office furniture do you really need when some people don’t even have offices?

[jack sprat]

Damn, that is exactly what I was going to say since we all know Trump’s popularity comes from participating in the WWE and Obumbles secretly wants to be like him. And also going to post the UPenn story and RTS beat me to that.
*I am going to go sulk in the corner now.

[Suthenboy]

Obama secretly wants to have balls? I’m skeptical.

[John Titor]

Are you sure it’s the WWF not the WWE?

That didn’t go well the last time.

R.I.P. UMAGA, the ultimate third party.

[Flakfizer is Ballet, Jr.]

Syrian government forces now claim to control 99 percent of Aleppo.

Consensus! Rebel deniers! Al Gore!

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Is All Gore in the news again? Did I miss something important?

[Fist of Etiquette]

President Barack Obama has leased office space in the headquarters of the World Wildlife Federation for whatever he plans to do after he leaves office.

The WWF? Mean Gene Okerlund will be his spox.

[Zunalter]

I mean, I got here almost on time, but looking at these links, I don’t have shit to say.

Please, someone, say something interesting about which I can comment.

[Mad Scientist]

There’s a Warty Hugeman story in the AM links!

[Citizen X]

Oh yeah! It’s pretty important, Zune. You should go read it.

[Zunalter]

I have heard 1000 references to these, but never have I witnessed it with mine own eyes.

Are these tears of joy? Or despair?

[Playa Manhattan.]

Taste them to find out.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Hmmm that doesn’t taste like tears … at all.

[SugarFree]

The archive of all extant adventures: http://wartyhugeman.blogspot.com

[Chipper Morning Wood]

You know who else didn’t have shit to say in the afternoon?

[C. Anacreon]

That smiling guy who walks out of the bathroom with the newspaper, hikes his belt, smirks and winks to the entire patronage of the cafe, indicating egotistically that he just had a substantial and satisfying crap, much to the guy with constipation’s dismay, in the commercial for that ‘snail medicine’ that makes pain sufferers poop?

[Dick N. Bimbose (n?e Cooper)]

Mitch Hedberg, after he met Peter Frampton?

[__Warren__]

99 percent of a leppo? What’s that?

[__Warren__]

I obviously wasn’t feeling the zeitgeist.

[Anomalous]

That’s nearly the entire leppo!

[Mad Scientist]

No, it’s just one of many leppos.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Some sperm remains.

[BakedPenguin]

The least favorite Marx brother.

[thrakkorzog]

Meh, he was agood straight-man. That’s a really underappreciated skill. Too bad Margaret DuMont was better at it.

[C. Anacreon]

he was agood straight-man. That’s a really underappreciated skill.

Perhaps, but I’d still be really pissed if I drew Bud Abbott as my partner for the company team-building exercise.

[AlmightyJB]

Ash

[Fist of Etiquette]

…but Justice Stephen Breyer is still pushing for the full court to consider [whether] executing prisoners is unconstitutional.

“I don’t know. Seems like a lot of work.”

[R C Dean]

Ima say, no, executions are not de jure cruel and unusual punishments, on account of how common they were for most of our history. You want the Constitution to ban them? Pass a Constitutional amendment. The Constitution isn’t your magic wand to wave to get whatever result you want.

[buybuydandavis]

The Living Constitution is Magic!

Yes, obviously capital punishment is not unconstitutional by honest originalism. That’s why Breyer is in a big hurry. Expects that Trump will appoint someone who will actually follow the law.

[TheZeitgeist]

The White House is annoyed that Trump is dismissive of intelligence community claims selective administration leaks that Russia hacked the Democratic Party to leak info to try to influence the election in his favor.

Fixed.

[Injun, as in from India]

This is an awesome read featuring Arrec Barrwin. These 18 Celebrities Who Promised To Move If Trump Was Elected Can Get On That Now

turned around and said, “Oh, Mr. Baldwin!”

“Yes,” the oldest Baldwin brother smiled, assuming I’d ask for an autograph.

“Why aren’t you in France?”

“Excuse me?” he asked, puzzled, dropping most but not all of his smile.

“You said that if Bush won, you’d move to France. So why aren’t you in France?”

Baldwin’s face became stone-serious and his regard lost its twinkle. He lifted both middle fingers at me and spit out, “Fuck you!”

[Citizen X]

Christ, what an asshole.

[TheZeitgeist]

Imitating Trump on SNL comes to him by nature.

[BakedPenguin]

Yeah, the salesman he played In Glengarry Glen Ross was him toned down a little.

[Brett L]

Trump to Gore: “Ivanka is for closers!”

[Chipper Morning Wood]

“ABG! Always be grabbing!”

[Tonio]

Delicious. We need more of that. Keep hammering them on it until they retract or leave.

[american socialist]

I think several celebrities have moved, right?

[Col. Chestbridge]

[…] think […]

Something seems off about this, but I just can’t put my finger on it.

[gaoxiaen]

Lena Durham started to leave, but the truck’s leaf springs broke.

[John Titor]

She got close to the border, but a few warning shots scared her off.

[Rufus The Monocled]

“Chelsea Handler has a house in Spain already, and threatened to move there permanently.”

What kind of an unjust world do we live in where a person as unfunny and vapid as Handler gets paid enough to have a house in Spain? I demand JUSTICE!

[Playa Manhattan.]

“The White House is annoyed that Trump is dismissive of intelligence community claims that Russia hacked”

What fucking claims?

[Sevo]

‘The WH is upset that Trump is elected’

[Free Society]

‘The WH is upset deeply butthurt that Trump is elected’

[C. Anacreon]

What fucking claims?

So much this.
The morning TV news today led with an incredible example of twisting this ‘news’ into a unsubstantiated statement that most of the Bay Area will now think is fact:

“Donald Trump reacts to the CIA report that Russia was responsible for his election”.

[Cyto]

Left talk radio today was in a 30 second loop about Trump rejecting the official report of the CIA on the Russian interference that cost Hillary the election.

This despite the fact that there is no CIA report, just a bunch of rumors being repeated by “unnamed sources”, and nobody has a decent explanation for “cost Hilary the election” other than “it was really close”. As far as I can tell, the only people who are remotely aware of what was in the leaked emails and documents are members of the Team Red and Team Blue choirs. And none of them were going to be convinced any differently by what they learned. (If team blue was susceptible to having their vote changed, certainly the many bits of evidence that the DNC fixed the primary in her favor should have done it, and if team red was going to vote for Trump, well, it isn’t like there was any news for or against him that was going to change that.)

[Zero Sum Game]

[Unsubstantiated anonymous allegations] ? proggy ? [definitely true report made by everyone who is smarter than you and they’re all pure as the driven snow]

[Akira]

Well yea – we saw the same thing when some anonymous person filed a lawsuit alleging that Trump had raped her when she was 13 years old. Not a single shred of evidence, but “progressives” hear it and then go around repeating it as if it’s a 100 percent proven fact.

[Crusty Juggler]

Trump targets F-35, but aircraft means jobs in 45 states

President-elect Donald Trump is vowing to corral the “out of control” cost of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. But congressional Republicans and Democrats, aware of the tens of thousands of jobs the aircraft generates in 45 states, will be wary of any plans by Trump to cut the program.

Start your conspiracies:

After Trump’s tweet, Lockheed Martin’s shares tumbled, wiping out nearly $4 billion of the company’s market value. The F-35 program made up 20 percent of Lockheed’s total 2015 revenue of $46.1 billion. U.S. government orders made up 78 percent of its revenue last year.

[Injun, as in from India]

If it means jobs in 45 states, shouldn’t it be called the F-45?

[Playa Manhattan.]

Bring back the F-57!

[Dick N. Bimbose (n?e Cooper)]

The F-A1 is better.

[Crusty Juggler]

“You think the whole sub is made in one place? Because the fin, or whatever the fuck, it comes from one factory in one state. And then this little round fucking window comes from another place. All right? And the fuel rods are from Cheesedick, Wisconsin. We are going to lose votes and seats everywhere.
So take the periscope out of your asses and look at the warhead of shit that’s coming at you.”

[Injun, as in from India]

So take the periscope out of your asses and look at the warhead of shit that’s coming at you.”

This sentence should get you an honorary MFA in Creative Writing from the UPenn Shakespeare Department.

[Zunalter]

To wipe with, obviously.

[dschwar]

In this example, isn’t the periscope already where it needs to be to see what’s coming at you? Or is there no room for a spotlight to illuminate the environment?

[gaoxiaen]

It’s MIRVed.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

+1 great documentary y’all should watch

[Anomalous]

It’s really the FYTW.

[0x90]

Even better.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

How can the defense of our nation have a stock price?

[Zero Sum Game]

*A majestic eagle soars over the statue of liberty accompanying your patriotic statement.*

[Jerry on the sea]

Iran places $16.6B US order with Boeing for 80 new planes.

Good luck with that one, Tehran!

[Playa Manhattan.]

“You can have the planes, but the parts and repair manuals are going to cost you.”

[Suthenboy]

Make that cost equal to whatever cash Obumbles gave them. Plus interest.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

“You guys pulling that shit again? Fuck, time to tell Hezbollah to start getting hostages. I hate having to deal with Hezbollah…”

[Slumbrew]

… wiping out nearly $4 billion of the company’s market value.

That sounds so much more impressive vs. stating it as a percentage – down 2.5% at close, down .1% after hours.. 2.5% is the sort of swing my firm’s stock makes with regularity – hell, it was down 1% today – damn you, Trump! /shakes fist

(notices we’re down 2.68% after hours, resolves to stop looking at stock price)

[SimonD]

Shit people (CongressCritters, that is). Just because the F-35 program is changed (or even disbanded) it doesn’t mean that they are going to quit making airplanes!! The military is still going to need ordinance.

[SimonD]

crap….

ORDNANCE.

It’s been a long day.

[A Thinking Mind]

Why does it have to ordinariance? We’re an exceptional nation, we should have exceptionance.

[rts]

Media, morality and the neighbor’s cow: When did Ayn Rand become the Republican Party’s bible? (Warning: Slate)

Now, I’m not much of a Rand fan, but man oh man, those strawmen, they burn bright at Slate.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Slate’s slipping. They’re only supposed to bring up Ayn Rand when it comes to hating on libertarians.

[SIV]

It references “Ayn Rand fan” Paul Ryan.

[BakedPenguin]

Right up there with “Ayn Rand fan” Lindsay Graham.

[Brett L]

Lindsay seems like the kind of guy to propose the world’s longest train tunnel without funding ventilation.

[SugarFree]

Lindsay wants to have a train pulled on him, which is a completely different line-item.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Let’s just say Paul Ryan doesn’t read those old issues of The Objectivist for the articles.

[Darth Squirrel]

Jeez, the euphemisms.

[Flakfizer is Ballet, Jr.]

I could only read so much of that shit before vomiting.

[Col. Chestbridge]

Unsurprised. In my experience the percent of people with an opinion on Rand who have actually read her work roughly equals the number of leppos currently controlled by non-governmental forces.

[Col. Chestbridge]

In retrospect that was a very poorly formed sentence on my part. But you know what I mean, and if you don’t that’s fine too.

[Zero Sum Game]

Probably best to use http://archive.is to archive articles that go to scummy sites so they don’t get any revenue from clicks.

[Buddy Bizarre]

LOL, not that there’s much difference but the link is to Salon not Slate.

IIRC, they like to publish mostly trolling articles?

[Sevo]

Trump threatens F-35 contract, lefty commenters getting dizzy trying to justify military spending:

“Trump targets F-35, but aircraft means jobs in 45 states”
http://www.sfgate.com/business…..791229.php
From the comments:
“Support America’s working class – no, scratch that. Restore America’s hollowed out military – no, scratch that too. Build a swamp – right on track. Congratulations Trump supporters.”

[Playa Manhattan.]

Restore America’s hollowed out military? What in the actual fuck?

[Sevo]

That guy stumbled in three directions and ended up with nothing at all other than “Trump supporters”. Funny!
And then I see CJ scooped me…

[Playa Manhattan.]

“French authorities have arrested 11 people they believe assisted the Islamic terrorist ”

LONE WOLF

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

You didn’t blow that up.

[Tonio]

Several members of Electoral College, including Nancy Pelosi’s daughter, demand intelligence briefing on alleged Russian interference with election.

“The Electors require to know from the intelligence community whether there are ongoing investigations into ties between Donald Trump, his campaign or associates, and Russian government interference in the election, the scope of those investigations, how far those investigations may have reached, and who was involved in those investigations,” they wrote. “We further require a briefing on all investigative findings, as these matters directly impact the core factors in our deliberations of whether Mr. Trump is fit to serve as President of the United States.”

[Injun, as in from India]

OMG.

Nancy Pelosi’s daughter is going to change her mind on who she’s voting for after she gets the briefing.

[Tonio]

LOL, Injun. There will be no briefing. There is not time to put all those electors through the clearance process. Because even if the information itself isn’t particularly sensitive, it is quite likely that the manner in which the information was developed is sensitive.

[Pro Libertate]

Do we have classified information anymore?

[Injun, as in from India]

You’ll have to classify it in order to find out what’s in it.

[Pro Libertate]

I’d hate to be the next prosecutor going after an official for state secrets’ violations.

[Suthenboy]

By sensitive methods you mean Podesta and other demops pulling it out of their ass?

[Butts Wagner]

Podesta and other demops pulling it out of their ass

added to #pizzagate file

[jack sprat]

If she is related to Pelosi she needs all the intelligence help she can get.

[Tonio]

Zing!

[Playa Manhattan.]

Today I learned that members of Electoral College have the power of subpoena.

[Tonio]

Yeah, that “the Electors require to know from the intelligence community” isn’t productive.

[C. Anacreon]

“require to know”?
Has any literate person ever used that phrase before?

[Tonio]

I suspect that word was very carefully chosen. “Demand” is overplaying your hand and reeks of bluster covering for impotence. “Request” isn’t strident enough and admits the stark truth that these people have no more authority to demand the information than you or I.

It isn’t illiterate so much as odd and awkward.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Time for your regular reminder that it’s hard to cut back on pork spending, especially in military contracting…

Isn’t Feinstein’s term up? That should put a dent. Or is it the other one?

[Juvenile Bluster]

That was the other one. Feinstein’s back up for re-election in 2018 and she’ll probably win again because California.

[Injun, as in from India]

Also, Top Two.

That kills any chance of a Republican ever scoring an upset win.

[PapayaSF]

I simply don’t vote in those contests any more.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

CIA in implementing its post-9/11 mass surveillance program, may be under consideration for Trump’s director of national intelligence.

This is one place I’d support Hillary as a nominee.

[BakedPenguin]

Ambassador to the UN.

After it moves to Zurich.

[PapayaSF]

Too important. She deserves no more than a punishment appointment. Like Paraguay or Sierra Leone.

[BakedPenguin]

jk – way too much opportunity for corruption. In addition to your pics, Central African Republic or Venezuela would be good.

[gaoxiaen]

Liberia.

[SimonD]

Myanmar

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Why not Libya?

[PapayaSF]

Libya, LOL. Good choice.

[Crusty Juggler]

Women’s March and Bikers for Trump Claim Inaugural Demonstration Spots

he contentious election of Donald J. Trump has inspired a record number of groups, from bikers to minority-rights activists, to make plans to arrive in Washington around the time of his inauguration on Jan. 20, either to target his administration or voice support for it.

The Women’s March on Washington and Bikers for Trump are among the groups organizing demonstrations outside of the wide swaths of land, from the Lincoln Memorial to the Ellipse near the White House, that have been blocked off by the National Park Service for over a year and are essentially on reserve for Mr. Trump’s inaugural committee.

“In a normal election cycle we’ll see four or five First Amendment applications,” Michael Litterst, a spokesman for the National Park Service, said in an interview, referring to requests for demonstration permits. This year, there are 20.

[Crusty Juggler]

With 200,000 prospective attendees, the Women’s March on Washington would dwarf the Bikers for Trump event and is the largest among those being planned. It is billing itself as an alternative to the inauguration festivities. Organizers are attempting to unite people who disagree with Mr. Trump’s disparaging remarks about minorities and his flippant and obscene comments about sexual assault.

On Monday, Cassady Fendlay, a spokeswoman for the march, said at least 30 advocacy groups have become partners with the march to spread the word and to raise money. The groups include Girls Who Code, Define American, Amnesty International, the Trayvon Martin Foundation, the National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health and the National Council of Jewish Women.

A collection of the craziest of the crazy broads, all full of angst and anger, and in the need of celebrating their triumphant victory after hours of standing and chanting in the cold?

*digs out “I’m A Feminist” t-shirt

Any of you DC-area people have a couch for ol’ Crusty to crash on during inaugration week?

[bacon-magic]

Crusty,
You’re going to need a lair for all that tart tang. Might I suggest several of us rent a Winnebago(classy one w/fuzzy dice) and go in halvesies on some box wine, condoms and coke?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

You are gonna need one more essential item to pull this off.

[bacon-magic]

Duct tape?

[Crusty Juggler]

You are gonna need one more essential item to pull this off.

I already have a fairly functional hongle…

[dschwar]

Blindfold?

[PapayaSF]

Careful, ladies: the Trayvon Martin Foundation is likely to beat up and rob you.

[John Titor]

Any of you DC-area people have a couch for ol’ Crusty to crash on

If anyone takes him up on this, you’re going to have to burn the couch afterwards, as per EPA regulations.

[Mad Scientist]

I say we put the couch into a giant petri dish, pour in nutrients, and see what happens.

[John Titor]

Tried that before, didn’t turn out great.

[SQWRLZ: Deplorable Woodchipper]

Yogsoggoth er sumsuch?

[SQWRLZ: Deplorable Woodchipper]

Yogsoggoth er sumsuch?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health

Boy, are we getting more niche than ever before.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Any of you DC-area people have a couch for ol’ Crusty to crash on during inaugration week?

All I’ve got is this circular, rotating bed with a disco ball above it. So, sorry.

[Slumbrew]

like this, I assume?

[C. Anacreon]

Organizers are attempting to unite people who disagree with Mr. Trump’s disparaging remarks about minorities and his flippant and obscene comments about sexual assault.

The New York Times, once thought of as the Paper of Record, included that line in this story as a statement of fact, not opinion.

Nope, no bias. The truth is whatever your opinion is.

[VG Zaytsev]

Hopefully we’ll see Trump’s bikers clashing with Hill’s dikers.

[Brett L]

“Fuck this.. I’m not dying in Florida.” Pro Wrassler stops armed robbery.

Gaspard was at a Coral Springs, Florida convenience store when a man demanded Gaspard buy him a beer. When Gaspard refused, the man pulled a gun on him. At that point, Gaspard thought, “[Expletive] this ? I’m not dying in Florida,” and then things turned very ugly for the would-be robber.

Per Pro Wrestling Sheet’s report, Gaspard took the gun, which turned out to be a BB gun. He then chased down the escaping robber, slammed his head into the door, and then immobilized him with a rear naked choke hold. Gaspard’s friends, including his former tag-team Cryme Tyme partner JTG, all of whom had been outside in a car, then called the police.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

If your tag team partner is waiting in the car while you take down a gunman, you’re doing it wrong.

[Brett L]

Technically, his partner was waiting by the car.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

THEN WHY DIDN’T THEY SAY THAT.

[robc]

His partner couldnt help anyway, until he tagged him in.

[Playa Manhattan.]

Why is he robbing someone to buy him a beer? Cut out the middle man if you’re already in the store.

[Brett L]

The perp pointed a toy gun at the biggest man he’s ever seen in person. He’s probably not bright.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

+1 replica pistol pointed at Bullet Tooth Tony.

[robc]

Old news, but reminded me of this.

Dont try to rob a guy who went to jail for a crime committed on the playing field.

[Tonio]

The snowflakes are losing it. There is apparently an browser plugin which replaces pictures of Trump with pictures of kittens. Got that? People pretending to be adults cannot deal with seeing a picture of the President-Elect.

[bacon-magic]

Me-ow.

[PapayaSF]

The unintended psychological consequences of that will be hilarious. People will start reacting to kittens as if they are Super-Racist MegaHitler.

[Flakfizer is Ballet, Jr.]

Reminds me of the good old days of the web.

[PapayaSF]

It does look like http://catsthatlooklikehitler.com is down.

[Flakfizer is Ballet, Jr.]

That was why I had to resort to a Google Image Search.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

That is a god name for a cat.

[R C Dean]

Fiorina, who campaigned on supporting and assisting the CIA in implementing its post-9/11 mass surveillance program,

I missed that. I used to like her, until I saw this. Oh, well. I’m sure she’s crushed to learn I’ve changed my thinking.

[Playa Manhattan.]

“but Justice Stephen Breyer is still pushing for the full court to consider with executing prisoners is unconstitutional.”

Does Life, Liberty, and Property still mean what it used to?

Executing prisoners is NOT unconstitutional. Period. This nation’s policy on it has nothing to do with the supreme court.

[Juvenile Bluster]

There’s the argument to be made that it’s an 8th amendment violation, but … yeah. Unfortunately the death penalty will never be outlawed by legislative action. Because it really should be.

[Playa Manhattan.]

I’ll see your 8th and raise you the 5th:
“nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law”

I’m fine with a federal law banning the death penalty. A supreme court ruling banning it would be bullshit.

[kbolino]

It’s only an 8th Amendment violation as practiced today. Bring back the gas chamber and it’s not a problem anymore.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

But if we can overturn it, we’ll spare Brandon Teena’s killers.

[The Last American Hero]

Them and a few dozen people in Illinois and Texas that were exonerated due to DNA evidence, but whatevs.

[DEG]

Concern trolling about tax havens

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The Netherlands, Switzerland and Ireland are among the world’s most damaging corporate tax havens, according to a new report by Oxfam.

Oxfam researchers said governments around the world are slashing corporate tax rates and allowing “extreme forms of tax dodging” in order to attract investment.

They warned that this race to the bottom is “starving countries out of billions of dollars needed to tackle poverty and inequality.”

Oxfam ranked the countries by looking at their tax rates. They also considered whether the countries offer unfair tax incentives, and whether they cooperate with international efforts to curb tax avoidance, for example by agreeing to increase financial transparency.

[Injun, as in from India]

I once donated to Oxfam and regret doing so.

[Rufus The Monocled]

Sort of like how people feel after giving to Reason?

[Chipper Morning Wood]

You paid for a cow to be sent to a third world country? What kind of a Hindu are you?

[Ted S.]

I say “avoision”.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

So Oxfam’s position is that high tax rates are the single bullet theory in eliminating poverty?

[BakedPenguin]

Oxfam’s position is that people are the property of the state they’re born in, and that anyone’s wealth can only come by impoverishing others. IIRC, they’re the assholes who have “poverty” fundraising dinners where they basically hand you a near empty plate and then smugly state “this is how much people eat in [socialist shithole] while implying that it’s your fault.

[Playa Manhattan.]

I just got off the phone with a business partner in Switzerland.
He told me what taxes he’d be paying on the transaction. I was nearly certain that he had misplaced the decimal point. He didn’t.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Random observation: Women aren’t allowed to celebrate their femininity anymore. If there’s a legacy of 3rd and 4th wave feminism, it’s the oppression of women from exerting and celebrating their girlyness.

I was watching Chopped the other day, and they asked this lady why she was wearing pearls. She said because she liked them and wanted to feel girly in the kitchen. After thinking for a bit, I couldn’t come up with another example of a woman celebrating femininity and girlyness in public. In fact, going by media portrayal, the adjectives most associated with women are quite traditionally masculine: strong, independent, and career-minded.

Congrats feminists, you have succeeded in convincing women that they’re inferior unless they’re men.

[Injun, as in from India]

^This.

Also, I can’t remember what show it was, but I caught it on Netflix for a couple of minutes at a friend’s place.

It showed this female intelligence agent getting her head dunked in a bucket of water during torture. I laughed hard when I saw that.

In real life, that woman would have been tied up and raped over and over again. The script writers have their feelz on how women ought to be treated (and tortured) but they are disconnected from reality.

[Crusty Juggler]

After thinking for a bit, I couldn’t come up with another example of a woman celebrating femininity and girlyness in public.

Really?

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Porn excepted.

[kbolino]

Examples exist, but mostly when portraying the past, and even then only to a limited degree.

[gaoxiaen]

Lena Durham wears a necklace of bear claws around her neck. No, not claws from bears.

[gaoxiaen]

*Dunham, (I must have been subconsciously thinking Bull Durham)

[Slumbrew]

http://giphy.com/gifs/rach-DtsvXWTwthwD6

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Has it hit anybody else how much Amy Schumer looks like Pam?

[Slumbrew]

Hah, I will never get that connection out of my head now.

[Akira]

Males aren’t allowed to celebrate their masculinity, either. It’s been re-branded as “toxic masculinity”.

Most strains of modern feminism seem to be all about the purposeful breaking down of “boundaries”, whether it makes sense or not. I understand that some boundaries need to be broken down in the past, like the prohibition on women voting or lack of property rights for married women.

But these days, there’s really no legal discrimination against women that occurs. In fact, earlier feminist movements caused an overcorrection that has now resulted in blatant legal discrimination against men, making necessary the cringy-but-necessary men’s rights movement.

In order to satisfy their urge to break down boundaries, modern-day feminists are just seizing upon completely stupid and/or fabricated things such as:

– “Not enough women in [career field]”
– “Objectification of women”
– “Campus rape culture”

My hypothesis is that since the human species lived in constant states of war or the danger of war for the vast majority of its history, there is an inborn need to struggle or fight against something. Some people can quell this urge and just go about their business in peace, but it requires a rare level of intellectual fortitude. The idiotic SJW grievance-mongering is just one of many ways in which people escape the sense of meaninglessness that comes from having no enemy to fight.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

My hypothesis is that since the human species lived in constant states of war or the danger of war for the vast majority of its history, there is an inborn need to struggle or fight against something.

1) The fact that eating disorders tend to occur much more frequently in the well off tends to support your hypothesis.

2) I think many people get their urge for conflict out in sport, business, and family squabbles. Tribalism is a natural corollary to our need to fight, and people try to find tribes (to join or fight) in every aspect of modern life.

[DEG]

Power Wheels Mustang

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If you want to give your child a brand new Ford Mustang for Christmas, and your child happens to be between the ages of 2 and 6, there’s a new model out that should be just perfect.

Fisher-Price, a division of Mattel (MAT), has rolled out an all-new improved version of the Ford Mustang Power Wheels. This one has a few features not found on previous versions of the kid-drivable electric cars.

For instance, the new Mustang has five speeds. Before, parents could only select a “fast” speed — 5 mph, which actually does seem fast in one of these — or a slower speed of just 2.5 mph. With the new Power Wheels Mustang, parents now have the freedom to select 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 mph as the top speed.

The rear-wheel-drive car — just like a real Mustang — also has a couple of other new features copied from full-sized road-going automobiles. It has traction control so that the back wheels won’t spin futilely on loose dirt or wet surfaces. To prevent rollover accidents, it has a tilt sensor that will stop the car from driving onto a too-tilted surface.

[__Warren__]

Get him this and some henna tribal tats too…

http://cdn0.dailydot.com/cache…..053561.jpg

[Mad Scientist]

He’s gonna need that traction control if he drives to a “cars and coffee.”

[B.P.]

So, a plastic toy car has safety features not included in my car?

[The Fusionist]

“President Barack Obama has leased office space in the headquarters of the World Wildlife Federation for whatever he plans to do after he leaves office.”

In unrelated developments, he’s also sent out dinner invitations to a bunch of key Democratic donors and bought several tubs of gravy.

[The Fusionist]

“Mr. Soros, I had this filet of giraffe prepared just for you…”

[tarran]

The WWF is ground zero for the rally crazy green cult of CAGW’ism.

It’s going to be fun watching the Narcissist in Chief attempt to do to the green movement what he did to the Democratic party, infecting it like that fungus that creates zombie ants, eating it out from the inside as he redirects it from its own goals to supporting Obama self-destructively, and then climbing out of the destroyed husk when it no longer suits his needs so that he can go on to infect another host.

I think he is going to find the WWF a harder nut to crack. The greens infesting it are really really good at fighting off rival parasites. They may actually zombiefy Obama, turning him into their creature.

[The Fusionist]

That sounds even more interesting than my idea of an Endangered Species Banquet.

[C. Anacreon]

I think you should see “The Freshman” with Marlon Brando and a young Matthew Broderick.

[Tonio]

That was done in one of the later episodes of “Weeds,” Eddie.

[The Last American Hero]

You aren’t the first to underestimate Papa Legba.

[Rothbard'sbitch]

THE ‘LOST CITY’ OF ANTARCTICA Shock claims massive ancient civilisation lies frozen beneath mile of Antarctic ice ? and could even be Atlantis

“The theory, called crustal displacement, alleges that movements in the Earth’s crust meant that large parts of Antarctica were ice-free 12,000 years ago and people could have lived there.

Allegedly, a society could have existed ‘prehistory’, coming to an end with the last Ice Age which froze over the continent.

And this could have been Atlantis, a mythical city founded by people who were half god and half human which was first mentioned by Greek philosopher Plato in 360BC.

Speculation over the location of the legendary long-lost city is rife, with others believing it to have been near the Greek island of Santorini.

Antarctica’s secret city was apparently ‘”confirmed” by an ancient map called the Piri Reis map, compiled in 1513 from military intelligence.

It appears to show the Antarctic coast hundreds of years before it was discovered, but was denounced by many scholars at the time.

However, earlier this year photos from NASA appeared to reveal traces of a human settlement underneath the ice.”

Is the end nigh? Will Cthulu be awakened from his slumber?
Or is the cinematic masterpiece Alien vs Predator a documentary?

[Ted S.]

Cool link, bro.

[PapayaSF]

Here’s the link, but prepare to be disappointed: there’s no “there” there.

[tarran]

I am disappointed.

My workplace no longer allows us to navigate to the Sun’s website due to ‘nudity’. Killjoys! Sure it’s nudity, but it’s nude englishwomen!*

*We all know that the most beautiful woman you will ever meet will be the first non-english girl you meet after you leave england.

[gaoxiaen]

+1 Raymond K. Hessler’s breakfast

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

However, things get even weirder, with suggestions that the Germans discovered abandoned alien technology OR contacted aliens, and used it to make super weapons.

Wasn’t that the plot of the last season of Enterprise?

[Tonio]

Ia, ia…

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Fucking hell, people!

Poe tried to warn you.
Lovecraft tried to warn you.
Carpenter tried to warn you (though I guess there was also the ’50s movie).

But you can never leave well enough alone.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Oh for fuck’s sake, Atlantis was a fictional city invented by Plato for the purpose of telling an allegory. No one in ancient times thought that it actually existed.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

Hey man, that’s like, just your opinion.

Explain the Sphinx!

[DEG]

Qantas planning nonstop flights between Europe and Australia

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The airline with the kangaroo on its tail is losing a bounce.

Air travelers will be able to fly from Australia to Europe without stopping after Qantas announced the first direct passenger route between the two continents.

Boeing (BA)’s 787-9 Dreamliner will make the epic 17-hour journey between London and Perth, a city on Australia’s remote west coast, Qantas (QABSY) said.

The airline plans to launch the service in March 2018, joining the ranks of the world’s longest passenger flights.

March 2018 is a ways out.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Fun fact: A friend of my late grandfather’s traveled Qantas from London to Darwin, Australia in the early 1950s. It was a four day journey with 9 or 10 stops.

[TheZenomeProject]

It’s things like this that constantly remind me that humans are amazing creatures.

[gaoxiaen]

That and Florida Man.

[Entropy Drehmaschine Void]

From WaPo-

In ‘scorched-earth’ op-ed, a Teen Vogue writer says Trump is ‘gaslighting America’

Ummmm….

[Ted S.]

Ah, saucy 18-year-old Angela Lansbury.

[gaoxiaen]

She didn’t know where Noriega was, the dumb bitch.

[GILMORE?]

WaPo is citing “Teen Vogue” editorials?

Serious journalism

[Juvenile Bluster]

Wisconsin recount: Trump still wins

tl;dr: Very little changed. He won by 162 more votes than the original count had him winning by.

[Rufus The Monocled]

BUT HACKS!

[Free Society]

The White House is annoyed that Trump is dismissive of intelligence community claims that Russia hacked the Democratic Party to leak info to try to influence the election in his favor.

But Earnest repeatedly emphasized that no one needed the expertise, or even briefings the president received, to view the ties Trump and his campaign had to Russia. All any voter had to do was just turn on the TV or read a newspaper.

You don’t need evidence to confirm Trump’s “Russian ties”, you just have to trust the unbiased, evenhanded, non-hyperbolic Democratic mouthpiece mainstream media.

So then, I think it’s fair to say that there is zero fucking evidence.

[Akira]

But remember – all those other media outlets are the ones guilty of foisting FAKE NEWZZZ on the public.

[SugarFree]

I’ve told told that I discriminate against the night shift, so:

Warty Hugeman and The Girl With the Nazi-Ray Eyes: A Warty Hugeman Time Travel Adventure

Chapter One: Someone Shot Nostalgia In The Back

[Crusty Juggler]

I’ve told told that I discriminate against the night shift

And another safe space has been destroyed.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Am I gonna need a box of tissues to read this?

[Mad Scientist]

That, and a bottle of hand lotion.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Tears do dry out my hands.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Swastika Nipples FTW!

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Speaking of Swastika Nipples, I think SF is Gavin McInnes. I was listening to Steven Crowder’s show and Gavin mentioned Swastika Nipples. Coincidence? I think not!

[bacon-magic]

You’re so good to us, Mr. S! *breaks down sobbing

[SugarFree]

I heard that in Harley Quinn’s voice.

[bacon-magic]

Yep.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

+1 Needs to be hate fucked for the sake of justice

[John Titor]

When do the action figures come out? I want a Warty Hugeman with Doomcock-thrusting action. To scar my niece for life.

[bacon-magic]

WTF? You’re niece?

[bacon-magic]

*Your.

[SugarFree]

I could shave a He-Man and glue a black dildo on it for a $100 or so.

[bacon-magic]

Yay free markets! Way to turn junk into hunk.

[John Titor]

If the Doomcock doesn’t shoot Nerf sperm I’m not interested.

[SugarFree]

How about a squirt gun filled with cottage cheese?

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Make it tapioca and we’ve got a deal.

[SugarFree]

Tapioca? Fag.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

You’ve obviously never tried that before. That’s how they used to make cottage cheese before they invented the cheese cloth. You pour in the milk, wait several days, and squirt out the whey.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I am sure there is a GWAR action figure you can work with.

[SugarFree]

A good base figure

[Krabappel]

I scheduled a last minute trip to NYC for work this week – I will be there from Wednesday afternoon until Friday noon (taking Amtrak). Any restaurants in Soho, Tribecca, or Lower East Side I should check out? I’ve got one bar I have to stop in at (Wassail). Considering going to Brooklyn to eat at Ichiran but not sure if it’s worth it or not.

[Playa Manhattan.]

You’re supposed to ask people out for dinner, jerk.

[Suthenboy]

The White House is annoyed that Trump won’t bite on the bait they threw out.

The dem party has been commandeered by the lunatic fringe and they cant understand why everyone won’t just play along with them. Please, keep it up.

And what is this about martial law and nullifying the election? Martial law can only be declared if there are no functioning courts.

Pro-tip for the dems: When the Russian hackers threw the election for Trump meme falls on its face go with aliens. Aliens used mind control to force everyone to vote Trump. It will work this time.

[Ted S.]

I thought it was reverse zombies.

[Juvenile Bluster]

It was the RAND Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires.

[bacon-magic]

EXACTLY – Michael (where is he now?) Hihn *giggles

[DOOMco]

cracker barrel, its 430

[Zeb]

Reverse vampires. Obviously.

[Pro Libertate]

They’re almost there. Like that guy in Star Wars.

[BakedPenguin]

Stay on target…

[Flakfizer is Ballet, Jr.]

You’re too close!

[The Last American Hero]

George Lucas was totally fat-shaming Porkins.

[Zeb]

Wait, who is talking about martial law?

Some people really do live in their own fantasy land, don’t they?

[Juvenile Bluster]

Syrian government forces now claim to control 99 percent of Aleppo.

Who are we supposed to be rooting for in Syria, anyways? Is it like 1990s and early 2000s Iraq where the government may be awful but what’s left behind after they leave is worse?

[Free Society]

Well the secular dictatorship does not threaten people beyond it’s own borders, last I checked. The Islamists keen on taking power are literally hellbent on world domination, like comic book villains for fucks sake. The “moderate” “rebels”, are just a nice way of saying western created Islamist insurgents that pay their taxes to ISIS and al-Nusra, as well as giving them intel, aid and trade.

If you’re going to root for anyone, it ought to be the Russians and the Syrian regime. If you’re holding out for a libertarian faction, you’ll have to keep waiting because Syria and every other place on the planet doesn’t have any. “National interest” is the only rational metric by which to apportion support. Since Obama and the left are irrational, and their own warped anti-western ideology comes before national interest by a mile, you can easily see why they’d support the insurgents and jihadis.

There’s really no question about it, Assad is the least bad option and has been from the very beginning.

[Juvenile Bluster]

That’s what I figured. Syrian regime as the least bad option.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Well the secular dictatorship does not threaten people beyond it’s own borders, last I checked.

Other than Israel, but leaving it aside, they also kill people in Lebanon (they invaded it well before Israelis did, pulled back after, and kill politicians who look like they might stop the bloody division of that country) and were providing support, shelter and weapons to Islamists fucking with US and Iraqi government.
Yes, those same Islamists who are now fighting them. Who said Assad regime is smart?
He also ensured he is the “least bad” option by machine-gunning people who foolishly thought street protests, not armed revolt were the way to go.

Note that while Assad forces are taking Aleppo, ISIS retook Palmyra which they liberated with great fanfare (and a classical music concert) less than nine months ago. Because he’s as interested in fighting ISIS as the “moderate opposition” are.

If you’re gonna root for anyone, Kurds actually fight ISIS (because it’s that or genocide).

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

OK, I was being unfair. They are trying to take it back, possibly using chemical weapons.

[Free Society]

Other than Israel

Every Arab regime has a soft spot for threatening Israel.

they also kill people in Lebanon

Because at one point, Lebanon was a majority Christian country in the Levant, and Muslims can’t abide that for long. Nor pan-Arabists. Yeah it’s shitty, interventionism leads to nothing but trouble.

and were providing support, shelter and weapons to Islamists fucking with US and Iraqi government.

Like every other country that bordered Iraq, they played a hand.

Who said Assad regime is smart?

Not many. I certainly won’t claim they are.

He also ensured he is the “least bad” option by machine-gunning people who foolishly thought street protests, not armed revolt were the way to go.

Well Assad said of those “protests” that they weren’t protests, and that they were actually Islamists, foreign insurgents and terrorists. Who can possibly dispute that at this point? I don’t know of any “peaceful protesters” that have Saudi and Qatari supplied RPGs, roadside bombs and serious military hardware laying around just in case the gubmint doesn’t take kindly to the protest. They were never protesters.

[Free Society]

Other than Israel

Every Arab regime has a soft spot for threatening Israel.

they also kill people in Lebanon

Because at one point, Lebanon was a majority Christian country in the Levant, and Muslims can’t abide that for long. Nor pan-Arabists. Yeah it’s shitty, interventionism leads to nothing but trouble.

and were providing support, shelter and weapons to Islamists fucking with US and Iraqi government.

Like every other country that bordered Iraq, they played a hand.

Who said Assad regime is smart?

Not many. I certainly won’t claim they are.

He also ensured he is the “least bad” option by machine-gunning people who foolishly thought street protests, not armed revolt were the way to go.

Well Assad said of those “protests” that they weren’t protests, and that they were actually Islamists, foreign insurgents and terrorists. Who can possibly dispute that at this point? I don’t know of any “peaceful protesters” that have Saudi and Qatari supplied RPGs, roadside bombs and serious military hardware laying around just in case the gubmint doesn’t take kindly to the protest. They were never protesters.

[Free Society]

Because he’s as interested in fighting ISIS as the “moderate opposition” are.

So it’s your claim that Assad has little interest in removing the bloodthirsty rebels trying to take over the country and kill his family and his tribe? Interesting…

If you’re gonna root for anyone, Kurds actually fight ISIS (because it’s that or genocide).

I actually do prefer the Kurds to every other interested party, but they will not be the bringers of security and peace to the region. They’re fighting a nationalist and separatist war, which sort of makes them the most benign. They’re also the most “support worthy” as a culture and society. I wish them the best.

OK, I was being unfair. They are trying to take it back, possibly using chemical weapons.

I have serious doubts about that claim. They claimed the same thing happened at the start of the war as a pretext for US intervention. It was so bogus I can’t believe it. Obama announces to the world that using chemical weapons would precipitate US intervention. Then a gas attack that could not possibly have served any strategic purpose to the regime takes place and once it became clear that Obama didn’t have the wherewithal to follow through with his threat, no gas attacks happened since, until (allegedly) now. Seems perfectly clear to me that the “rebels” staged the attack or carried it out themselves in order to gain air support.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

No, revolt started after mass murder, and included a chunk of his own army. Because that’s how ethnic civil war works. I’m just saying, you want any kind of ‘liberal’, ones who tried to say something were killed at the start. With a bunch of Islamists, yes. The smart ones fled first.

So it’s your claim that Assad has little interest in removing the bloodthirsty rebels trying to take over the country and kill his family and his tribe? Interesting…

Yup. He wants them gone after he’s done with rebels. They are evil enough to serve as a good way to boost legitimacy, and crazy enough to fight everyone, including a whole other country. So why waste lives and resources going after them now, when they strengthen your hand by making you look good in comparison?
Syria has been a basket case since French left in ’45, and has always tried to be the Leader of Arab World (annoying Egypt, Iraq and Saudis, all of whom thought the same). The only stability Assad clan brought was the end to interminable coups and countercoups that rotated various sets of generals and see-sawed Communists and Socialists of various stripes.

[Rhywun]

it’s hard to cut back on pork spending

Mmm… tell me about it.

[TheZenomeProject]

Of course the fake news/alt-right scare tactic failed. Of course it did.

From USA Today: Twitter reinstates white nationalist Richard Spencer

Twitter reinstated the account of white nationalist Richard Spencer over the weekend, one month after his account along with several others connected to the “alt-right” movement were suspended by the social media service.

On Saturday, Spencer ? whose account was verified prior to the suspension ? tweeted of his return to the site.

[TheZenomeProject]

Note: I don’t personally side with this guys’ tribalistic ideas, but he had every right to express them on Twitter, especially since I don’t believe that he never broke any of the Twitter rules beside wrongthink.

[John Titor]

Spencer was quite upset over being banned on Twitter, he spend days rewatching Death Note and hugging his waifu pillow.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Eva Braun or Marlene Dietrich?

(Yes, I know Marlene was anti-Nazi, but damn if she wasn’t Aryan ideal)

[John Titor]

I’m going to go with chibi Nazi-kun.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

She looks Tsundere as fuck.

“No, I didn’t rip out these gold teeth for you, Adolf…but I know you are short war funds, so you can have them. Baka!”

[John Titor]

Even better, I forgot about that manga where European philosophers are anime schoolgirls.

Nietzsche-kun, the Ultimate Tsundere.

[TheZenomeProject]

I need to read more manga; it seems just absurd enough for me to be greatly entertained. Any suggestions?

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

I haven’t weabood in, oh nigh-on 15 years but for absurdity Cromartie High School is pretty good (it’s a super-tough high schools for delinquents, that also has a gorilla, a robot who is convinced he’s a human, and a Freddie Mercury).

Or just go blood-and-gore-and-tits-and-demons of Berserk, whenever new volume comes out. Dark Souls games owe a huge debt to it, design and atmosphere-wise.

[John Titor]

Motherfucking Berserk, aka Heavy Metal Cover the Comic Book.

[TheZenomeProject]

I’ll check out Berserk next week; that sounds like my kind of thing. Thanks for the suggestions!

[DEG]

Possible nudes of Eva Braun

NSFW.

They are the images depicting Ayran beauty of the kind that made Adolf Hitler’s eyes grow misty – a naked, beautiful woman in the prime of her life dappled by sunshine while flaunting her curves for the camera.

But an Austrian collector claims that the woman in the photos is none other than Eva Braun – longtime mistress and short-term wife of the Nazi F?hrer.

On one photo Eva – if it is she – is seen with her hands behind her head with nothing on but her birthday suit. In another she is also starkers and pictured with her bottom on view as she wades into an Alpine Lake.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

God, I love Daily Mail headlines.

[DOOMco]

npr mentioned the Russian hacks every 10-15 minutes today. CIA was sited as the source each time.
that is all

[GILMORE?]

My same point below. its bullshit.

[GILMORE?]

The White House is annoyed that Trump is dismissive of intelligence community claims

Technically the White House is annoyed that Trump is dismissive of “anonymous sources” claims about what the intelligence community says.

No one in the press has actually heard the claims made by the CIA.

I’m going to keep nitpicking this bullshit because the way these things evolve into ‘common knowledge’ is by endlessly repeating falsehoods.

[Free Society]

Don’t worry, Obama is currently cooking up a report that will be full of unsubstantiated claims made by people without the authority to speak on the matter, that will finally give us all conclusive proof that all the Democratic talking points are pure unfiltered truth.

He commissioned it a couple days ago I believe.

[GILMORE?]

Barack Obama has leased office space in the headquarters of the World Wildlife Federation

He identifies with the Panda.

[bacon-magic]

This Panda?

[GILMORE?]

This Panda

it was an oblique reference to his oreo-ness

[bacon-magic]

Racist! I miss Irish…

[GILMORE?]

Wait, why the fuck does that gibberish have 181 million views?

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

Teenage hive mind.

[GILMORE?]

“Panda” is a trap song.[5] The hook was written about Desiigner’s affinity for the BMW X6, and also mentions that he “got broads in Atlanta”, likely a nod to his Southern-inspired style of rap. Explained by Desiigner, lyrically “the panda is the black X6 and the white X6. The black X6 look like a Phantom, the white X6 look like a panda. I’m just putting it in a greater way of how I say and the way I live.”[6] Desiigner discovered the song’s beat on YouTube, which was produced by up-and-coming producer, Menace.[7][8][9]

– find beat on youtube
– apply comment about your affinity for a certain car *
– profit

[Rhywun]

I don’t know what any of that means but I sampled the video and now I want to stick a fork down each ear canal.

[GILMORE?]

Syrian government forces now claim to control 99 percent of Aleppo.

its amazing that the most prime-time coverage the place ever got was when Gay Jay didn’t know what it was.

[Pro Libertate]

I always think of Lawrence of Arabia when someone mentions Aleppo.

[creech]

Yes,it wasn ‘t until after the gaffe that the word Aleppo started appearing in daily headlines in my local paper.

[Half-Virtue, Half-Vice]

All of journalism felt the need to shout “ALEPPO” out loud to prove they weren’t ignorant.

A couple ‘corrections’ later and they nailed it.

[GILMORE?]

Ruh Roh

Michigan to audit ‘significant mismatches’ in Detroit vote

The audit ordered Monday stems from a precinct in which 300 people were recorded as voting but only 50 ballots were in a sealed container. State spokesman Fred Woodhams says there’s no reason to suspect people’s votes weren’t counted, but Michigan is aware of “significant mismatches” at roughly 20 of Detroit’s 490 precincts.

He says the problems wouldn’t have changed the outcome of Republican Donald Trump’s victory in Michigan. Democrat Hillary Clinton won 95 percent of Detroit’s vote.

The ballots will go to Lansing for inspection.

It’s not uncommon for there to be slight inconsistencies between the number of voters and ballots, but Woodhams says such large inconsistencies are “especially concerning.”

Previous stories mentioned that more that most of the districts in Detroit had mismatches. They tried to cover by saying ‘more than half’ of those were only off by a handful. But others (like the one noted above) were off by multiples of their claimed total.

I always thought (and others have suggested) that the shutdown of the recount effort in PA was probably motivated by a desire to prevent the same discovery.

[DOOMco]

the other big thing i saw from the recount was that johnson had an even larger number of votes not counted. like 3 or 4 to each extra trump vote. not that itll change much.

[GILMORE?]

johnson had an even larger number of votes not counted

Im not surprised. what’s the saying? “You can’t cheat if it isn’t close“? getting rid of the 3rd party votes helps hide the rigging.

[DOOMco]

that’s where i landed.

[PapayaSF]

I would love it if all the “vote hacking” claims from Democrats resulted in a more secure voting system that bit them in the ass.

[TheZenomeProject]

The logical end to the left’s current election hacking freakout is Voter ID, but of course that’s “RACIST!” and would never be accepted by right-thinking folks.

[Mad Scientist]

When the majority needs is for some TOP MEN to just decide who should represent them.

[TheZenomeProject]

Exactly, but only the right TOP MEN! (Looks to Nate Silver for advice)

[John]

Voter ID and paper ballots, which is fine by me. But I don’t think they are going to like it very much.

[TheZenomeProject]

The left hates anything that impedes with mob rule. This week it’s almost as if they have forgotten what puts them into power in the first place.

[kbolino]

They’ve been telling themselves “demographic destiny” for so long that they’ve forgotten to pay attention to the actual trends and opinions in the country. It’s like they made it to the 10-yard line, stopped running, and let the other side intercept the ball, even though their defense is shit.

(that is the extent of my football understanding and I apologize if that metaphor did not make sense)

[american socialist]

John is for making sure you have the right government issued papers when you go to vote. Luckily, he has the self-awareness to acknowledge that he isn’t a libertarian.

[kbolino]

Fun fact about Western European welfare states: most require ID to vote.

[John]

Go troll someone else. No one cares dumb ass.

[GILMORE?]

Nativity Now Reflects Modern Divorce Rate, Stay-At-Home Dads

and the wind cried, “Mary”

[robc]

They realize modern divorce rates are going down, right?

Also, first time marriages have, and have always had, a low divorce rate.

[The Fusionist]

That’s just Gilmore’s summary, the article is about someone stealing a Mary figure from a nativity scene.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Also, first time marriages have, and have always had, a low divorce rate

The last stats I saw were somewhere in the 35-40% divorce rate for 1st marriages.

[PapayaSF]

Here’s a Nativity scene for you.

[GILMORE?]

that’s cute. tho a camel without 3 wise men is sort of misplaced

[R C Dean]

3 wise men

So cis-normative.

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

So ableist.

[PapayaSF]

I’m trying to think of some consumer item that they could have used for the wise men, but failing.

[Slumbrew]

close enough?

[PapayaSF]

Three Philosophers works!

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

Mr Clean, Toosie Pop (Owl) and Uncle Ben’s Rice?

[AlmightyJB]

I kinda liked this one

[PapayaSF]

I love it that the three wise men come on Segways with Amazon boxes.

[Sevo]

“Trump vs CIA: 10 Electoral College Voters Demand Hack Probe Before Balloting”
http://www.sfgate.com/entertai…..791105.php
“”Russian election interference activity raise serious concerns that must be addressed before we cast our votes,” open letter reads”

“We’re still trying every trick in the book to deny that stinking hag lost all on her own!”, the open letter continued.

[The Fusionist]

I think this is the letter – nine signatories (correct me if I’m wrong) are Democratic electors, and one of them (the Texan) is a Republican elector.

[The Fusionist]

The Texas elector is this guy.

“”It’s not fair to get rid of nominees simply because of disagreements on policy, but there have been buildups. The attacks on the press, the point where Gov. Pence started parroting Trump’s phrase about how there were three million illegal votes. That was it for me.”….

“Suprun says Dr. Lyman Hall, a member of the Second Continental Congress, helped him make up his mind. Or, technically, the fictional version of the Georgia representative who appeared in the musical take on the birth of American independence, 1776, did….

“In trying to solve my dilemma I remembered something I’d once read, ‘that a representative owes the people not only his industry, but his judgment, and he betrays them if he sacrifices it to their opinion,'” Hall says, quoting famed member of the British Parliament Edmund Burke.”

[american socialist]

“The attacks on the press, the point where Gov. Pence started parroting Trump’s phrase about how there were three million illegal votes. That was it for me.”….

Yeah, in any other time than in the last 15 years or so such attacks would disqualify you from political office and probably land you in a mental institution to mutter amongst your multiple personalities. Now the crazier you are or the more full of total bullshit you the more qualified you are to run for office. #Krazy Kracked Up Kountry

[Sevo]

Fuck off, aswipe.

[The Fusionist]

“Yeah, in any other time than in the last 15 years or so such attacks would disqualify you from political office and probably land you in a mental institution to mutter amongst your multiple personalities.”

Ah, yes, I see you are a believer in socialist psychiatry: Dissenters are mentally deviant and need to be treated.

[C. Anacreon]

Your sad misunderstanding of the symptoms of mental illness and how its sufferers should be treated is despicable.

Why don’t you also suggest that certain minorities should be rounded up and placed into concentration camps. You know, the same way your communist heroes treated the mentally ill and ‘wrong’ minorities.

[american socialist]

Do you know of this thing called hyperbole? It’s a rhetorical device.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Hyperbole only works as a rhetorical device when you’ve set a baseline that indicated to the audience that your hyperbole is, in fact, hyperbole. If you haven’t… well… that’s why we have Poe’s Law.

[GILMORE?]

Update on the “Slender Man” Stabber-Girls

they’re 14 now. they want separate trials. by the time they actually have their trials they’ll be talking about what happened as though it was ancient history and they’re over it now.

its always been a strange story, but it gets sadder as they get older. They don’t even have the benefit of “brains” to justify the Leopold and Loeb comparisons.

[The Fusionist]

Sexist! They’re trying to break into a male-dominated field, and you’re belittling their efforts.

[tarran]

The girl who was the main instigator is a pretty sad case. They’re saying she had schizophrenia since age 3. And the prison says they are ill equipped to treat her forcibly, and the psych hospital says they can’t guarantee she can’t escape, so she’s in jail with no treatment.

So she gets sicker and sicker with no treatment.

[AlmightyJB]

She’ll spend most of her time in prison in solitary confinement due to her psychotic behavior which will only make he worse, then they’ll release her.

[GILMORE?]

They’re saying she had schizophrenia since age 3

I’m not 100%, but i’m pretty sure what most people call Schizophrenia is something that happens to the brain post-adolescence

iow, you can’t really have proper-schizophrenia until your brain develops sufficiently

it might just be their way of saying “she’s always been batshit crazy / suffered from some cognitive disorder”

[Sevo]

And:

“Trump’s victory in Wisconsin affirmed following recount”
[…]
“Republican Donald Trump’s victory in Wisconsin was reaffirmed Monday following a recount that showed him defeating Democrat Hillary Clinton by more than 22,000 votes.
Wisconsin finalized its recount on the same day that a federal judge issued a stinging rejection of a Green Party-backed request to recount paper ballots in Pennsylvania’s presidential election and scan some counties’ election systems for signs of hacking.”
http://www.sfgate.com/news/art…..790522.php

Jill Stein moving rocks to see if she can get any lower.

[american socialist]

Sounds good to me…

California should secede from the United States, kick out the U.S. military, withhold all its U.S. taxes, invest in its infrastructure and educational systems, lead the world in sustainable energy, welcome refugees and immigrants, join the International Criminal Court, join and push for the democratization of the United Nations, sign onto the Convention on the Rights of the Child, join the world in banning land mines and cluster bombs and depleted uranium and nuclear weapons and racial discrimination and discrimination against women and in banning weapons in space, join the world in establishing rights of migrant workers, regulating the arms trade, providing protection from disappearances, defending the rights of people with disabilities, and joining the International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, offer non-military humanitarian aid to the world, and hold elections without legalized bribery.

From: http://www.foreignpolicyjourna…..lexit-yes/

[bacon-magic]

Make sure you bottle them and send to us.

[american socialist]

What is it about 600 billion dollar defense budgets that appeals to libertarians?

[kbolino]

Right? We should be spending all that on transfer payments, instead. Cut spending? Never!

[american socialist]

You mean like actually spending money to help sick people get better or make old people more secure. Yeah, I’m for that. Not building bombs and killing desparately poor citizens in 3rd world countries.

[kbolino]

I know! We’ve only been increasing spending on Social Security and Medicare faster than population growth and inflation combined. Clearly, that’s not enough, and we should be spending every single dollar made in the country on welfare programs!

[Mad Scientist]

We keep rewarding people for being poor and somehow we keep getting more poor people! What kind of mad insanity it this!?

[kbolino]

We keep rewarding people for being poor and somehow we keep getting more poor people!

I once pointed this out on Slashdot and was told this is not a problem because poor people deserve to be taken care of. The circular logic was not to be questioned.

[Rhywun]

poor people deserve to be taken care of

By keeping them poor. How compassionate.

[kbolino]

By keeping them poor. How compassionate.

Compassion is measured by how much you force other people to assuage your conscience.

[american socialist]

People on Social Security are poor? I’m looking forward to retirement. Are you?

[kbolino]

I imagine you’ve never worked an honest day in your life, so you’re already retired but you have the terrible imposition of having to appear busy for 8 hours a day right now.

[Griffin3]

Sounds great. Hey, can we swap for Taiwan? That way, China will be happy, California will be happy, America will be further engreatened by closer ties with that capitalistic island that makes the mainland look bad, and we will have a never-ending supply of hippie tears to keep our guns in tip-top shape. Wins all around!

[Sevo]

Fuck off, asswipe.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

California should secede from the United States

Okay. Sounds like a deal. In exchange, we’re putting up a wall and limiting immigration from the People’s Republic of Commiefornia to 10 people a year.

[american socialist]

You people are so passive aggressive. When I say that most of the U.S. sucks and that it is the biggest danger to world peace I mean it.

[Flakfizer is Ballet, Jr.]

You’re so transgressive, amsoc. So bold. So woke.

[kbolino]

most of the U.S. sucks

So much for democracy…

[american socialist]

That’s the thing. We here on the libertarian Left don’t think this is much of a democracy.

[kbolino]

You mean you and your elitist liberal friends don’t actually speak for the majority?

[american socialist]

I wish Trumpsters would have better aim. If the goal is to actually take on liberal elites like me and my friends know that giving us a tax cut or having us pay less in student loans from law school doesn’t really hurt us.

[kbolino]

I’m getting the impression that you have no idea what democracy is and can only fling out nonsensical non sequiturs when it becomes apparent that you are a know-nothing know-it-all.

[kbolino]

Also, you are not an elite. You are an elitist. You think you’re smart enough to know what’s best for everyone, but you’re not and you don’t. Nor is anyone in power consulting you for your opinion, thankfully.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

I’m a little snarky, but I’m actually in favor of California (and Texas and others) seceding from the union. Doing so allows me to live in one portion of (the region formerly known as) the United States without having to be subjugated by people like you.

[american socialist]

Who’s subjugating you? We’re just telling you that the country sucks and we’d like to leave. Call your representative and tell him/her that we’d like to go in peace.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Who’s subjugating you?

Uhhh the government??? I thought that was pretty obvious.

Call your representative and tell him/her that we’d like to go in peace.

If you get at or near a majority of people on board in California, I’m happy to do so. We’ll be just as glad to be rid of you as you will to be rid of us.

[kbolino]

I’d be happier just to see them split up into smaller states. Keeping the same number of Representatives and Senators for so long is not conducive to fair representation.

[american socialist]

No thanks. We’d still have to thank people killing poor Arabs for our freedom and way of life.

[kbolino]

You don’t have to thank anyone for anything. You do have to pay for it, just like I have to pay for it, and the last time I checked with a liberal that was the “price of civilization”. You are an awfully petulant child to whine about paying taxes, right?

[american socialist]

When it comes to military spending you libertarians are a remarkably compliant bunch.

[kbolino]

Right, I was going to riot over all the taxes being taken out of my paycheck, but then I decided not to because of the greatness of defense spending.

[american socialist]

Sorry I’ve been around long enough to watch you bitch and complain about poor people getting health care, but then when it comes to military spending all you can respond with is this…

“You don’t have to thank anyone for anything. You do have to pay for it, just like I have to pay for it, and the last time I checked with a liberal that was the “price of civilization”. You are an awfully petulant child to whine about paying taxes, right?”

THA’S WEAK!! WHAT KIND OF LIBERTARIAN ARE YOU?

[kbolino]

Please, whine some more. I’m sure you can throw out more irrelevant bullshit, but the fact is plain that you don’t believe anything you say. You like forcing other people to pay taxes for shit you want; when the tables get turned on you, all you can do is throw a temper tantrum.

What kind of libertarian am I? The kind that doesn’t give a fuck about the hypocrisy of a liar.

[A Thinking Mind]

I think people should have healthcare. I don’t think the government should pay for it.

I think the nation should have defense. I honestly think this is one of the very, very few reasons to even HAVE a government, because it’s an agreement to work together to keep other nations from taking our stuff.

[kbolino]

If California went independent and anyone anywhere near a position of power in government had half a brain, it would have a defense budget, probably on par with the U.S. as a percentage of GDP, if not higher. The one thing that California’s “advanced” economy absolutely depends on is the importation of goods from foreign countries. The tech sector would implode without access to cheap labor and environmentally damaging extraction and refinement.

[R C Dean]

For how long, though?

I mean, that’s stuff is all great and all, but its gotta be paid for.

CA already has a crushing pension problem, and after secession will need to cover the retirement and healthcare for everyone now on SocSec, Medicare, and Medicaid (which is currently subsidized at least 2:1 by the feds). The closure of all military bases will be a serious economic blow. It has grossly underinvested in infrastructure for decades, and has to import much of its water, so that investment in infrastructure will be huge.

Its bond rating is currently AA-, and will drop as an independent sovereign. If it uses the US dollar, it will experience severe dislocations as its economic prospects depart from those of the US (see, eg. Greece and the Euro).

Just how viable would an independent California be, anyway? Theoretically, it should make a perfectly cromulent nation, but I have serious doubts it can keep the lights on for very long under the kind of lefty/proggy regime you obviously foresee.

[kbolino]

It would last up until they inevitably kill the tech sector cash cow, whether through labor rights or environmental protection or financial regulation or …

[american socialist]

Well I suppose we’ll have to raise taxes on people to rates like the have in other prosperous Western European countries. That, and we won’t be spending over half-a trillion (I’m fine with 5 billion) on the military to fight idiotic wars, and we won’t be subsidizing the rest of the country with our tax dollars. If the State of Jefferson– with all its state park jobs– wants to go all Loyalist on us I think that makes our balance sheet better. True, I haven’t run the numbers, but at first glance the whole thing seems viable to me.

[kbolino]

Well I suppose we’ll have to raise taxes on people to rates like the have in other prosperous Western European countries.

The mass exodus of wealth from California would be a sight to behold.

[kbolino]

we won’t be subsidizing the rest of the country with our tax dollars

I thought you were a socialist? That’s what redistribution looks like.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

*applause*

[DOOMco]

dammmmmmmmm

[american socialist]

I’d like to redistribute more of it and have much less of it go to the military and to prisons. I thought that was obvious.

[kbolino]

I’d like to redistribute more of it

Spoiler alert: it will still go to people you don’t like who hold opinions you disagree with. Are you going to impose ideological tests for welfare benefits?

[DOOMco]

no, just for the death camps

[R C Dean]

Welp, looks to me like CA sent about $292bb to the feds in 2012,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…..e_by_state

and got about $343bb back in 2013

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…..g_by_state

for a net pickup of $51bb dollars, so just to break even, you’re going to have to raise taxes by quite a bit. Good luck!

[John Titor]

Also, I can’t wait to see how brilliantly California would manage its own fiat currency. This being a state where a large percentage would probably think the ‘trillion dollar coin’ method is a good idea.

[gaoxiaen]

Investment grade AA- translates to D in the real alphabet.

[Sevo]

“Just how viable would an independent California be, anyway? Theoretically, it should make a perfectly cromulent nation, but I have serious doubts it can keep the lights on for very long under the kind of lefty/proggy regime you obviously foresee.”

Well, let’s see how even the cities might do. Well, well, well:

“Facing shortfall, Lee could divert funds approved for SF trees”
[…]
“The budget shortfalls come after the failure of a three-quarter-cent sales tax that would have generated $150 million for transportation projects and homeless services. The city also faces funding uncertainty because of President-elect Donald Trump’s threat to strip federal funding from sanctuary cities and a looming $5 billion pension shortfall.”
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/…..781471.php

Look there! Not even the cities in CA can exist without federal funds, and the state certainly has no ability to make it up, given moonbeam’s pathetic attempts to mollify the unions.
Oh, and to asswipe: Fuck off.

[american socialist]

You mean like you and I pay federal taxes and then assholes like Trump deny us funding because he doesn’t like Mexicans? Sounds like taxation, but no representation to me.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Sounds like taxation, but no representation to me

Your commie brethren made the bureaucratic bed, and now you get to sleep in it. Remember this from your “libertarian Left” peers in the Progressive Era?

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

[kbolino]

The President cannot leave unspent any funds allocated by Congress to a particular purpose. The only way your state could lose funding is by failing to follow rules laid out by Congress. All spending bills must originate in the house, which has 53 out of 435 of its Representatives coming from your state.

[Sevo]

american socialist|12.12.16 @ 6:42PM|#
“You mean like you and I pay federal taxes and then assholes”

Fuck off, asswipe.

[Sevo]

american socialist|12.12.16 @ 6:42PM|#
“You mean like you and I pay federal taxes and then assholes like Trump deny us funding because he doesn’t like Mexicans? Sounds like taxation, but no representation to me.”

No, I mean like lefty asswipes can screw up a city’s budget badly enough to need federal assistance.
But then reading comprehension isn’t one of your strengths…

[A Thinking Mind]

I’m honestly curious how long it would take before they banned free speech for anyone who didn’t have right opinions.

[kbolino]

They’d be drafting the bills before the ink was dry on their declaration of independence.

[kbolino]

… and leave the Federal Reserve system, forsake all Federal welfare benefits, and pay off their population-adjusted share of the national debt.

Or did you think you could get all the benefits and none of the downsides?

[waffles]

I agree. We need a better Venezuela. Si se puede!

[american socialist]

Do you really want to compare the economies of low tax states like Kansas with our economy in California? Go for it. This should be good.

[kbolino]

I give independent California 10 years before all the Silicon Valley tax revenues aren’t enough to pay for the pensions and welfare benefits. Less time if a fair accounting is done at the time of secession.

[american socialist]

Why don’t you just compare economic growth in California, where we raised taxes on billionaires, and economic growth in Kansas and Nebraska, where they decreased taxes? I’d be more sympathetic to libertarian economics if it just didn’t keep smashing itself headlong into the shark teeth of empiricism.

[kbolino]

You are so smart. You should be put in charge of every company. You can go in there on day one and tell everybody that they’re wasting their time with natural resources, labor, machinery, suppliers, processes, capital, etc. and that all it takes to make things is taxes. I’m sure that your economy will be so prosperous.

[Sevo]

Fuck off, asswipe.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Why don’t you just compare economic growth in California, where we raised taxes on billionaires, and economic growth in Kansas and Nebraska, where they decreased taxes?

2010-2013 Per Capita GDP percent change
#6 Nebraska – 2.4%
#16 Kansas – 1.9%
. . .
#33 California – 0.8%

That’s right, Nebraska has 3x the economic growth per capita as California, you ign’ant tool! Get the fuck outta here with your bullshit.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Source

[DOOMco]

that cant be!!

[american socialist]

Why don’t you try the 2015 numbers?

[R C Dean]

Why don’t you try the 2015 numbers?

These were the ones at wiki. Why don’t you try finding some data to support your argument. We went with a three year average, to avoid cherrypicking. So you go right ahead and find some multi-year data on this issue. We’ll wait.

[DOOMco]

“his article includes a list of U.S. states sorted by economic growth, the percentage change in real GDP for 2013, using the most recent data available from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.[1]”

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Why don’t you try the 2015 numbers?

How about 2Q 2016 numbers hot off the presses?

NE 4.3%
KS 2.3%
CA 2.2%

[american socialist]

“Why don’t you try the 2015 numbers?
How about 2Q 2016 numbers hot off the presses?

NE 4.3%
KS 2.3%
CA 2.2%”

Why don’t we try 1Q 2016?

NE:-1.9
KS: 2.0
CA: 2.0

I thought the benefit of tax cuts would be self-evident, but all I’m left with is noise and uncertainty.

[kbolino]

I thought the benefit of tax cuts

I’d like you to identify the tax cuts that occurred in Nebraska and Kansas during or immediately preceding the time period in question.

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

I thought the benefit of tax cuts would be self-evident, but all I’m left with is noise and uncertainty.

1) Of course, the reverse argument can be made just as well. Where are all these benefits of taxing the “eevul mellyonears?” All I see is pension troubles and no stellar economic growth to make up for it.

For everybody’s edification, using amsock’s 2012 cherrypicked line in the sand, California has a 8.4% increase in CPI since then and the US as a whole has had a 5.3% increase, so not only is California struggling to keep pace economically, but the dollar is becoming less valuable there than in other places, making 1-to-1 comparisons even more meaningless than they already are.

[Raven Nation]

Somewhat relevant to this conversation: tax revenues in NE are shrinking (they’re going to have to re-do the budget in Jan.) but it has more to do with declining commodity (i.e. farm) prices than tax cuts.

[american socialist]

Taxes weren’t raised on millionaires until 2012 so those 2010-2013 numbers really reflect the calamity of the Schwarzenegger years. Here are the recent numbers…

http://www.bea.gov/newsrelease…..sp0616.pdf

[Sevo]

Fuck off, asswipe

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

Ah yes, congrats on cherrypicking. You’re using outdated numbers, tho. Check above for the ones released a week ago.

[DOOMco]

i see a trend, Trshmnstr!

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

A trend of the goalposts moving and moving and moving again?

[DOOMco]

that’s the stuff!!

[american socialist]

“Ah yes, congrats on cherrypicking. You’re using outdated numbers, tho. Check above for the ones released a week ago.”

I agree. RC is using cherry-picked numbers coming from 2010-2013. The current numbers don’t show a correlation between tax rates and increases in GDP.

[DOOMco]

you just used q1 numbers instead of q2, and you give rc shit?

[R C Dean]

Why don’t you just compare economic growth in California, where we raised taxes on billionaires, and economic growth in Kansas and Nebraska, where they decreased taxes?

OK. From 2010-2013, CA GDP grew an average of 1.8%, less than the US as a whole and less than, you guessed it, Nebraska and Kansas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…..rowth_rate

[waffles]

I said better. It would be the best country in the world! Why do you sperg out on people that agree with you?

[John Titor]

And I never thought I’d find a separatist movement that makes Quebec separatists look intelligent and sane in comparison.

[DRM]

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Oh, and I hope you can build those renewables fast; California currently imports 25% of its electricity. Going to be hard on Silicon Valley without electricity for their computers. I mean, we could sell you our dirty power to tide you over while you’re building . . . but why would we?

Incidentally, how, exactly, do you plan to join the UN? Or, to put it more directly, how much are you planning to pay the United States to refrain from vetoing your application for membership? You do understand that to join the UN, you need the consent of the Security Council, right?

[american socialist]

Why are Americans such a passive aggressive and militaristic lot? I imagine that we’ll buy water and electricity from you Americans and Californians can export our smart phones and technology to you all. That’s the real problem with any kind of succession movement. If it ever got serious the DC gov’t would probably launch a nuclear war to prevent it. Say what you will about the Soviet Union. At least that krazy kracked up jointly had the decency to splinter without killing 100 million people. Can you honestly say the same thing about the U.S. If push came to shove?

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

At least that krazy kracked up jointly had the decency to splinter without killing 100 million people.

To be fair, they were still mourning the first 100 million and didn’t have the will to do it to 100 million more.

[kbolino]

Who can forget how peaceful the Soviet Union was about Hungary trying to leave in 1956. I mean, you can just round a few thousand dead down to zero, right?

[John Titor]

Wouldn’t need nuclear weapons, California’s bound to be mismanaged, poorly fund their military and lack a decent officer class. Would probably last a week and be easier to do than Iraq.

Step 1: Arm dissidents within People’s Republic of California who are already sick of your shit from day one. As luck would have it the plunky Resistance is the ones who largely know how to handle firearms.
Step 2: Cut off access to American resources, so power and water. Eliminate airports, military and civilian, with overwhelming air superiority. Target major infrastructure.
Step 3: Two massed armoured columns cruise down the 15 and 80, rolling into Los Angeles and taking Sacramento, pushing on to San Francisco respectively. Columns are supported by air superiority and guerrilla strikes by partisans on supply lines, communications centers, etc.

[John Titor]

Step 4: Possibly go full Tecumseh Sherman and trash the shit out of major Californian cities while making the population watch, but less neckties and more “burning down Beverly Hills”.
Step 5: Receive unconditional surrender from incompetent California government.
Step 6: Reconstruction phase, possibly covering costs with tax based reparations on ‘pro-Californians’. Unlikely to hang Californian separatist leaders but you never know. Divide California up into four or five different states, giving preference to guerrillas who supported military action. Major cities likely end up occupied special administrative zones run under martial law for five years to a decade.

American causalities minimal, Californian civilian causalities likely minimal as well, probably in the tens of thousands range. Of course this will be even less if the People’s Republic surrenders immediately, if they’re intelligent enough to realize how fucked they are.

Military strategy is obviously not one of your strong suits, but what is?

[kbolino]

I wonder how many people amsoc would send to their deaths on his behalf, so that he could feel smug in his temper tantrum?

[Mad Scientist]

So long as they’re not his kind of people, as many as he can find.

[american socialist]

Your friend, John Titor, was laying out the recipe for genocide. I’m advocating for a peaceful democratic socialist country that doesn’t go to war with its neighbors.

[John Titor]

You’re advocating for an inevitable failed state.

You suggested that America would use nuclear weapons on California. Not only is that an unbelievably stupid statement to make, it’s not necessary. I provided a plan that fulfills the goal of re-annexation that is far more efficient and less destructive. I.E. I am correct and you are wrong.

And actually this strategic plan calls for the exact opposite of genocide, i.e. deliberately mitigating civilian casualties while eliminating military elements and demoralizing the general population. Hence the possible Sherman part, destroy property and publicly exposing it to the civilian population a la the Civil War to send the message that you will not be fucked with. Afterwards all you have to do is deal with Californian Lost Causers, which would be just as moronic as Southern Lost Causers. Screaming ‘genocide’ when the plan is intentionally avoiding mass civilian casualties is just reflective of how profoundly stupid you are.

[DRM]

Yeah, as far as the smartphones, I expect we’ll keep importing them from China, with the IP payments going to the existing Delaware corporations trading on the New York exchanges.

And, like I said, I’m sure you’ll want to buy our electricity, but again, why would we sell it? Wouldn’t it make a lot more sense for President Trump to just sit back and watch those Delaware corporations traded on New York exchanges move their development jobs to places where they can get enough electricity, like Seattle, Austin, and Boston? How much of a premium over current electricity prices are you going to offer President Trump to keep selling American power to you?

If it’s passive-aggressive to point out that there’d be no incentive for the US to deal with California except as a foreign nation, well, you’re the one proposing secession without apparently appreciating the fact. You really want to negotiate California’s accession to the WTO and trade agreements with the United States under a Trump Administration, hey, you’re the guy whose skull is full of mush.

[GILMORE?]

MORE PROOF OF HATE-CRIME EXPLOSION-EPIDEMIC

[__Warren__]

Somebody stab mosk?

[Pan Zagloba "The Stickler"]

They remove kebab like it’s 1099.

(for those who crave it, context).

[PapayaSF]

So a drunk guy wants to use the bathroom, and is refused. I think if this were really anything like a hate crime, he’d have just relieved himself against the mosque.

[Troy muy grande boner]

The dem party has been commandeered by the lunatic fringe and they cant understand why everyone won’t just play along with them. Please, keep it up

This!

The left has become histrionic. The next 4 years look to be awesome. I hope Trump takes some scalps from the CIA after he becomes president.

Hey American Socialist, I fucked your mom and, no shit, there was a copy of Hazlitt’s “Economics in One Lesson” behind the bed.

[Sevo]

You guys realize that asswipe is not here to provide factual information, nor is he here to learn anything. The fact that his preferred governmental system has caused millions of deaths where it hasn’t caused merely starvation and poverty is irrelevant to slime bags like this; he wants his shit for free, and he does not care how many die to do so. He is here to use bandwidth spreading propaganda.
I remain guilty of telling him to get lost, but engaging him in any manner at all does nothing other than encourage him to return.
Just sayin’

[Trshmnstr, Grump Apprentice]

I remain guilty of telling him to get lost, but engaging him in any manner at all does nothing other than encourage him to return.

I disagree. Engaging him shows third parties that we can easily handle and debunk his sophomoric schtick. There are many people who have been and are convinced by his cronies’ sleight of hand, and their bullshit should be challenged and beaten into the ground every time they spew it.

[Sevo]

That is *the* opposing argument.
It’s not enough to get me to deal with low-lifes like that, but I can’t deny your point.

[Slumbrew]

Engaging him shows third parties that we can easily handle and debunk his sophomoric schtick.

To borrow a line from Larry Correia – “Internet arguing is a spectator sport.”

[american socialist]

All those victims of Western European socialism would probably fill the trunk of a Yugoslav.

[american socialist]

Yugo!

[Sevo]

Fucking murderous ignoramus:
“Bulgaria
According to Benjamin Valentino, available evidence suggests that between 50,000 and 100,000 people may have been killed in Bulgaria beginning in 1944 as part of agricultural collectivization and political repression, although there is insufficient documentation to make a definitive judgement.[135] Dinyu Sharlanov, in his book History of Communism in Bulgaria, accounts for about 31,000 people killed under the regime between 1944 and 1989.[137][138]”

“East Germany
According to Valentino, between 80,000 and 100,000 people may have been killed in East Germany beginning in 1945 as part of political repression by the Soviet Union.[135]”

“Romania
Further information: Communist Romania
According to Valentino, between 60,000 and 300,000 people may have been killed in Romania beginning in 1945 as part of agricultural collectivization and political repression.[135]”

“Hungary
See also: Red Terror (Hungary), People’s Republic of Hungary, and House of Terror
During the period of the short lived Hungarian Soviet Republic in 1919 the Lenin Boys committed crimes against the political opponents. After World War II, the communist State Protection Authority maintained concentration camps and committed mass genocides.”

Two seconds on wiki shows you have an education which would embarrass a NorK 3rd-grader.

[american socialist]

Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and East Germany are West European? Sorry, I’m not here to make your arguments easier. No one is advocating for gulags.

[Sevo]

Got me; my mistake:

“Health
‘500 heart patients die on waiting lists'”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/359265.stm

Of course, that’s only England. And only coronary. And only reported by the government organ. Shall we throw in the standard gov’t lie ratio and assume 5X the reported number?
How big is that trunk?

[Sevo]

And while is seems no one died here, we can add the wonderful habit of ‘improving the breed’:
“Compulsory sterilisation in Sweden”
[…]
“According to the 2000 governmental report, 21,000 were estimated to have been forcibly sterilised, 6,000 were coerced into a ‘voluntary’ sterilisation while the nature of a further 4,000 cases could not be determined.[5] The Swedish state subsequently paid out damages to victims who contacted the authorities and asked for compensation.”

The claim is that no one was ‘physically restrained’. Of course not; “compulsory” means the top men talked them into it!
Trunk’s getting larger, right?

[Sevo]

Aw, gee, asswipe. There you got me, got it right back in a bitch-slap and then disappeared..
Wonder why?
Not really, slimebag.

[Pay up, Palin's Buttplug!]

Voluntary, as in, you had to get sterilized if you wanted to get released from a mental hospital or get married?

The movie Homo Sapiens 1900 features this.

[kbolino]

Which might be apropos if you didn’t defend Cuba and the Soviet Union all the time. Also, I don’t know too many Yugoslavs, but I don’t think they lug around trunks all the time.

[buybuydandavis]

but Justice Stephen Breyer is still pushing for the full court to consider with executing prisoners is unconstitutional.

Quick! Before Trump appoints someone who actually follows the constitution!

Last chance to just make shit up!