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Donald Trump

Matt Welch and Nick Gillespie Talking Trump on Kennedy Tonight at 8 P.M.

Who are the the biggest threats to freedom in the next president's cabinet? And in the Democratic legislative minority?

Nick Gillespie | 11.17.2016 7:33 PM

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Matt Welch and I will appear on Fox Business' Kennedy tonight at 8 P.M. E.T., talking about various aspects of President-Elect Donald Trump's administration and cabinet. Also: Who is the biggest threat to freedom in the Senate on both the Republican and Democratic sides?

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  1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

    Cable busted

    1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

      JB is in the "no bone zone." Been there, friend.

    2. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

      Cable busted?

      1983 called. They want their tech talk back.

  2. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

    OT: which one's the hero?

    http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/17/co.....e-officer/

    1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      Which one works for the state?

      *reads article*

      Well, fuck. I'll go with 'drunk lady teacher' because at heart I'm a 12 year old boy.

      1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

        Yeah, rooting for the drunk woman is usually the way to go.

    2. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      Was there a dog? If the dog survived, he's (or she) is the hero.

      1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

        The dog is always the hero.

  3. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

    No more sugar daddy?

    http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/17/oh.....roduction/

  4. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

    Taking a different tact.

    http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/17/ke.....al-anthem/

    1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      tack

      tact

    2. Juice   9 years ago

      And then they shot four of them.

  5. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

    Would would would wouldn't would would wouldn't.

    1. You ARE a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

      Harsh, bro.

    2. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      Would the Special K's

    3. Aloysious   9 years ago

      [redacted]

    4. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      Nick over Matt? I don't know about that. Is it The Jacket?

    5. ant1sthenes   9 years ago

      Wait, are you not counting the dog?

  6. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

    Poor Michelle

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BM22YL4gQ41/

    1. You ARE a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

      Nice.

    2. PapayaSF   9 years ago

      I love that.

    3. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      I doubt Melania is gonna take children's lunches away from them.

  7. __Warren__   9 years ago

    Well, it's unitard Thursday in the NFL. The Saints don't look so bad, but the Panthers look like they're wearing footie pajamas.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Prediction: Dreamcatchers

    1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      instead you got the magicians-rings

  10. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    Would: everyone except the hispanic big-headed looking like he's a guest-star on "Love American Style"-dude

    1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      But the dachshund is OK? Oh, you people...

      1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

        Of course.

        Also, el hombre con cabeza grande is actually jewish. Which doesn't really change anything. I suppose latin mongoloids feel redeemed.

  11. Derpetologist   9 years ago

    I see that Gavin has taken note of how his dumb millennial character looks like the guy who got tackled on the stairs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqJSiL1gfWY

    1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      Damn that's hilarious.

      Has cnn printed the update (not a Trumpeter attack) yet?

  12. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    He's our president! We must protect him at all cost.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    I don't think Maddow is a limited government fan. Well, she may well be after January 20th.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      She's a limited wrong people in charge fan.

  14. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    "sobbing like a war-widow"

    points scored

  15. Derpetologist   9 years ago

    You stay classy, Trump protesters
    Trump protesters block car, smash window
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9zXlOsMg7w

    1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

      Jesus Christ.

      These people are seriously messed up.

      I might be wrong but I thought of why Obama is full of shit. He took the easy way out earlier - which doesn't surprise me because he's no leader. Of course they have a right to protest but he should or could have mentioned they're protesting a legal election and are really misguided.

      But nope. He probably likes all this.

      And if that woman lost her baby or was harmed I would have absolutely have considered him complicit in it.

      1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

        I know it's a stretch to say 'complicit'. My point is he could have shown leadership instead of flapping his gums with endless streams of pointless rhetorical mumbo-jumbo.

        1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

          *looks at last 12 months of Reason's Trump coverage*

          Nope, not a stretch. Carry on, my eastern brother!

    2. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      Fuck them and fuck the cops.

  16. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    Winner of the Fake-Smile contest: hipster-barbie

  17. DenverJ   9 years ago

    80 degrees yesterday. It's been cold and showing all day today. Colorado is kinda mercurial.

    1. DenverJ   9 years ago

      Snowing, of course, not showing.

      1. JayU   9 years ago

        Mother Nature is an exhibitionist.

      2. Ted S.   9 years ago

        Sun's out guns out.

      3. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

        Colorado is a fickle bitch. And wind. Always the wind.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    "Beaten like a rented mule" is acceptable. A gong? That's a poor man's "Beaten like morning wood."

    1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      Since I am no fan of animal abuse, I always preferred the phrase "beaten like a red-headed stepchild." Gingers don't feel pain.

  19. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    Matt = looking good, but no contrast. would look better w/ navy suit. suffering from slight neck-bunching. Do you keep your jacket buttoned while seated? Don't.

  20. SIV   9 years ago

    Radley "Red" Balko is triggered.

    1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      Who the fuck died and made him Lord Protector of Trigglypuffs Everywhere? Seriously, man, get your dick out of our culture war!

    2. PapayaSF   9 years ago

      Cripes, I've never used this term before, but... what a cuck.

      1. SIV   9 years ago

        Balko certainly isn't a "cuck". He isn't a "cosmo" either. More like a "commie".

        1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

          To me, bending over for SJW whining makes him a cuck.

    3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      "Radley Balko ?@radleybalko
      @ScottGreenfield I know that argument. But Bannon, Giuliani, etc. are a hell of a bigger threat than coloring books and safe spaces"

      Radley's correct here. However, it was arguably coloring books and safeel spaces that got us trump.

      Those safe spaces were part in parcel of the marginalization of any thought which countered the prevailing view. It took a ridiculous blowhard to shout through it, and so a bunch of people glommed on to him.

      Sorry, I'm with robby soave on this one, trump is the dangerous backlash.

      1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

        My question is, why is it haram to write about both? Why are we supposed to put snowflakes above criticism just because they lost?

      2. SIV   9 years ago

        What do you see in Trump that is so particularly dangerous ?

        1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

          Your enthusiasm.

        2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          Its hard to say, I can't hear any discussion of his policies over the wailing and gnashing of teeth or the continuous breathless coverage of KKK sleeper cells operating on our nation's campuses.

      3. JeremyR   9 years ago

        No, they are not. They are idiots who will be gone in 4 to 8 years.

        The cultural rot as typified by adult coloring books and support puppies and safe spaces will completely wreck the country in the future.

        1. ant1sthenes   9 years ago

          If we had only elected Hillary, we could have a decent all-out ground war to weed out the weak.

  21. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Welch has gone with "lavender dream on a bed of charcoal" tonight. Timpf is wearing hot pinkf. And Weinstein forgot his tie.

    1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      Weinstein forgot his tie.

      no evidence there was one to begin with.

      I don't think guests should be held to a 'tie all the time' standard. That guy is also so goofy looking that the less attention he draws to his oversized cranium, the better.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

        The only reason to button down your collar is to keep it under a sweater or around a tie. Actually the only reason to even have a button down collar is because you need training wheels on your neck ware.

        1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

          The only reason to button down your collar is to keep it under a sweater or around a tie.

          ?

          no. Oxford/button down shirts are always buttoned by default. wearing one unbuttoned (as bill weld was photographed doing) is a crime.

          I disagree w. your assessment about the basic suitability of button-down shirts. they're less-formal than open collared shirts; but completely normal daily business attire in many occupations. With or without a tie.

          The only times i'd say they're inappropriate would be for things like weddings/formal events, being buried, with a double-breasted suit, or on a date. they're basically "work/school" or casual wear.

          1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

            or on a date

            Good lord. And here I thought Fist - who shares a fashion sense with my father - was bad.

            1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

              I'm mostly kidding.

              My opinionated-ness is really pretty narrowly focused on 'how men should wear suits well'. There aren't very many situations in which that matters = business, special-events, TV, etc.

              any other comments are just for the lulz

              tho i mean everything i said about button-down shirts 🙂

              1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

                I'm just tugging your sprezzaturian sac.

                I agree with comments regarding the suits for sure.

      2. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

        That dude is married to a lady who spent far too much time headlining the news this election season.

        Yes, that photo is from wikifeet, which is somehow the Internet's creepiest website.

        1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

          Weinstein is married to the "Shove" lady?

          he must be packing heat.

        2. SIV   9 years ago

          Wikifeet curates the best collection of Mary Katharine Ham cheesecake

  22. Derpetologist   9 years ago

    College student advocates open immigration...poorly
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISoGx8qzCE

    Things get amusing around the 3:30 mark.

    1. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

      /face palm.

      He was pulled off his script and lost his way.

    2. Juice   9 years ago

      Ugh. I can't believe he didn't have an answer for such a stupid, facile analogy.

      And, do you think a whole country is analogous to private property?

      He could have even accused Carlson of being a communist that believed in collective ownership of the land.

      1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

        Either nations exist, or they don't. Control of borders is a basic function. Even libertarians should grasp that.

        1. ant1sthenes   9 years ago

          Nations are communities. Borders are more the government equivalent of pissing on a tree to mark its territory.

          The problem is that Western "nation-states" are really just "border-states", especially when the state has so little cultural affinity for its citizens that it can and will basically just mandate the colonization of its own land by what it perceives as more governable outsiders. Gerrymandering was already ample-enough evidence that trying to base democracy on borders, rather than on coherent bottom-up communities, was a recipe for disaster. Borders and border-states are the problem, not the solution.

    3. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      Oh, god, Tucker Carlson, ever the useful idiot. I've always hated him. How are national borders the same as private property borders? How is it that anti-immigration morons don't understand the difference?

      "You are doing the bidding of business, when you advocate for low skilled workers to come here." - Tucker

      Does not a businessman have the right to hire whomever he wants? What happened to freedom of association?

      I swear, the anti-immigration arguments are so retarded that they boggle the mind. Just admit you are an insularist who wants to keep different cultures out, because you are a bigot, rather trying to come up with nonsensical convoluted economic arguments that make no sense.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Finally, the jacket is dusted off for the new political season.

  24. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    Does nick put on lipstick for TV? Discuss

    1. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

      Kennedy makes guests drink the Flavor Aid every night before the show. Tonight apparently it was cherry and not poisoned. Phew.

      1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

        Kennedy makes guests drink the Flavor Aid every night before the show

        "It is by will alone we set our jabber in motion"

  25. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Why are they sugarcoating it? Schumer is the third worst person in the world.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Quite the love-in tonight. There's the door, Gillespie. USE IT.

  27. Derpetologist   9 years ago

    Another kid beaten up for wearing Trump hat:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2MeHUu-YzE

    1. Juice   9 years ago

      Another identical incident in Rockville, MD? Or is this the same kid?

    2. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      "...while taunting the protesters"

      Excuse me if I don't feel too sorry for this dumb kid.

  28. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

    Talking Trump, huh.

    HUG YOUR CHILDREN!

  29. To: Trshmnstr From: Hrod [C]   9 years ago

    A good (albeit long) read

    1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      morning links. it was indeed very good.

    2. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

      Just finished it.

      It makes the anti-Trumpers and media look even worse.

    3. This Machine   9 years ago

      Stop responding to everyone who worries about Wall Street or globalism or the elite with "I THINK YOU MEAN JEWS. BECAUSE JEWS ARE THE ELITES. ALL ELITES AND GLOBALISTS ARE JEWS. IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE ELITE, IT'S DEFINITELY JEWS YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT. IF YOU FEEL SCREWED BY WALL STREET, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO SCREWED YOU WERE THE JEWS. IT'S THE JEWS WHO ARE DOING ALL THIS, MAKE SURE TO REMEMBER THAT. DEFINITELY TRANSLATE YOUR HATRED TOWARDS A VAGUE ESTABLISHMENT INTO HATRED OF JEWS, BECAUSE THEY'RE TOTALLY THE ONES YOU'RE THINKING OF." This means you, Vox. Someday those three or four people who still believe the media are going to read this stuff and immediately join the Nazi Party, and nobody will be able to blame them.

      Nice.

    4. This Machine   9 years ago

      Even better:

      Stop calling Trump voters racist. A metaphor: we have freedom of speech not because all speech is good, but because the temptation to ban speech is so great that, unless given a blanket prohibition, it would slide into universal censorship of any unpopular opinion. Likewise, I would recommend you stop calling Trump voters racist ? not because none of them are, but because as soon as you give yourself that opportunity, it's a slippery slope down to "anyone who disagrees with me on anything does so entirely out of raw seething hatred, and my entire outgroup is secret members of the KKK and so I am justified in considering them worthless human trash". I'm not saying you're teetering on the edge of that slope. I'm saying you're way at the bottom, covered by dozens of feet of fallen rocks and snow.

  30. geo1113   9 years ago

    The Jacket

  31. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    Hillary ain't looking good. Out of the running means, I guess, we no longer need to apply a filter to her photos and video.

    1. Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe   9 years ago

      In her rage at losing the election, she must have stabbed that picture in her attic.

      *******

      Hillary Clinton finds herself in Hell and faces the Devil.

      "You said I was going to win!" she accused him.

      "Yes, but you said you had a soul."

  32. Derpetologist   9 years ago

    I've found a new happy place:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94

    1. Dark Lord of the cis   9 years ago

      Do you have a version that isn't 26 minutes long?

      1. Derpetologist   9 years ago

        Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPIGzM6yMVs

        1. Dark Lord of the cis   9 years ago

          Hi fucking larious.

      2. To: Trshmnstr From: Hrod [C]   9 years ago

        Here's a good response to it

    2. Zombie Jimbo   9 years ago

      No chance that Erdogan could throw them in a Turkish prison? Right?

  33. Derpetologist   9 years ago

    The Atlantic, a former news outlet, now reports breathlessly on the horrors of:
    The Battle Over Adult Swim's Alt-Right TV Show

    Yes, you nitwits. The line-up that includes SquidBillies is nothing but a covert propaganda arm for the white nationalists.

    1. Sir Digby Chicken Caesar   9 years ago

      Buzzfeed's Joseph Bernstein

      Stop. Just...STOP. When Buzzfeed is your reference point, you have lost.

      Bernstein drew attention to some of Hyde's worst Twitter behavior (calling Lena Dunham a "fat pig,"

      That's the worst??? Ho-Lee shit, the cult of personality is spreading like ebola.

      1. Zombie Jimbo   9 years ago

        Hyde forgot the sister abusing part.

    2. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      Couldn't skip/finish the ad on iPad, so couldn't get to article. Derp blocked 🙁

    3. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      I didn't realize MDE was on TV.

      Sam Hyde isn't "Alt-right". Its been suggested he's "libertarian". But he mostly avoids obvious politics and just viciously mocks any form of social-pretentions. His piss-take of Beford-Ave Williamsburg is brutal.

      its probably the mercilessness which they confuse for "alt-right".

      Ive been watching him for years. I think he's hilarious personally, but most people don't get it initially. Its intentionally painful. Like his TEDx Talk. its situational meta-humor... or something.

      The Atlantic is actually validating them, and doing exactly the sort of shit they mock. They'll probably do a sketch where they explain how Glee is full of coded-racism.

      1. Sir Digby Chicken Caesar   9 years ago

        So, he seems to be a subtle Eric Andre. I could certainly watch more of this than EA.

        1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

          Never seen Eric Andre. I only know him for his weak trolling of the RNC

          I'm coming around to the description "Low Budget Psychedelic Black Comedy"

          1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

            *that example is from their new show. which isn't very low-budget, or psychedelic. but if you go through their older stuff, its very much those things, mainly by default. They were broke and high.

          2. Sir Digby Chicken Caesar   9 years ago

            Never seen Eric Andre

            Well, "enjoy"...

            He has his moments. But, loving MDE!

            1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

              I liked the fake Black Israelites w/ Hannibal Burris.

      2. John Titor   9 years ago

        its probably the mercilessness which they confuse for "alt-right".

        They don't bloody know what 'alt-right' is, it's the new neocon or neoliberal, the trending stupid catch-all. When you can't articulate why you don't like something or want to delegitimize something's very existence it's 'alt-right'.

    4. Juice   9 years ago

      Others are drawing attention to the network's generally poor record on diversity, particularly with regards to promoting female comedians.

      Women are funny. Get over it.

  34. Holger da Dane   9 years ago

    Kennedy talking about euphemisms. Hat tip to the commentariat?

  35. Rufus The Monocled   9 years ago

    Hillary on a psychotic drunken rage election night. I don't know how accurate but it even if half right...she's insane. Hillary that is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWdJZh7Nz4g

    1. Sevo   9 years ago

      Uh, that still with the gal next to her smiling doesn't back the claim.

  36. Dark Lord of the cis   9 years ago

    Yes! Louisville is losing again. I want Petrino's salty ham tears.

    1. Lachowsky   9 years ago

      As a long suffering fan of the razorbacks, I agree with this sentiment. Fuck Petrino. He really screwed our football program.

      1. Dark Lord of the cis   9 years ago

        "He really screwed our football program."

        And the blonde chick on the motorcycle. But he fucked the Falcons right in the ass without so much as a courtesy spit.

  37. John   9 years ago

    http://nalert.blogspot.com/201.....first.html

    In the 1980s & 1990s Trump donated heavily to charities that focused on the AIDS outbreak. When he floated a third party presidential run in 1999 he went on record saying he would consider adding sexual orientation to the Civil Rights Act. Trump is also believed to be the first private club owner in Palm Beach ? in this case Mar-a-Lago ? to admit a gay couple. This is not the resume of an LGBT foe.

    Well, well.

    1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

      Stop mocking the real pain of people on the internet, John!

      1. Dark Lord of the cis   9 years ago

        Champagne for the real people and real pain for the sham people.

        And of course by "champagne" I mean whiskey.

      2. John Titor   9 years ago

        John was the most right he's ever been this election and I thought he was full of shit, he basically gets a free pass on everything until January.

        Also Pan, your new name is stupid, fix it, I don't like change. Next you won't be wearing tracksuits and squatting everywhere.

        1. Stickler in the Comments(PanZ)   9 years ago

          I'll change it back once I'm over my Triumph of Pedantry.

          1. John Titor   9 years ago

            Lies, you'll demand a cognomen from the Pedantic Senate, Pan Zagloba Sticklius.

    2. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      I never understood the charge that Trump is anti LGBT. It seems entirely baseless.

      1. Suthenboy   9 years ago

        Does the left have any claim that isnt entirely baseless?

  38. DEG   9 years ago

    Anti-Trump protesters run into a Marine Corps pub crawl

    1. Dark Lord of the cis   9 years ago

      Ok, so other than virtue signaling, what exactly are these people trying to accomplish? Do they think that if they stomp their feet and hold their breath we'll just redo the election? What the fuck is their goal?

      1. creech   9 years ago

        When Trump doesn't turn out as bad as they predict, they will say that their mighty protests caused him to think twice and moderate his awfulness.

        1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

          there's definitely potential for that.

          i think - much like the way the media has turned his "steak dinner" into national crisis/sign of 'problems' - they'll throw themselves on the ground and grab their knee like european soccer players any time there's a gesture in their direction.

          its going to be steak-dinner-shrieking every day.

          I'm !*&@#$^ amazed the press has the balls to suggest there's fear of 'lack of transparency' after 8yrs of obama, and a narrowly missed clinton presidency.

          Or the accusations they've made about Trump's potential 'conflicts of interests'. For fuck's sake, he's already a billionaire. And they think he's going to try and 'enrich himself' via the office?

          And they have the balls to say this after Clinton. Fucking Clinton. Who hasn't held a job in the private sector since... i don't know... and somehow became a multimultimillionaire in her spare time between govt jobs.

          1. SIV   9 years ago

            Which reason-writer will be the first to condemn Trump's repeal (via executive order) of Obama's overreaching executive orders as "executive overreach"?

  39. You ARE a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

    South Park is great.

  40. John Titor   9 years ago

    Can we get just a show with KatTimpf and Kennedy? Preferably on mute?

    1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      Use your imagination

  41. John   9 years ago

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blo.....d-leftward

    Holy cow is Jamele Hill stupid.

    Hill approved of Schilling's firing:

    "ESPN is in an uncomfortable position," Jemele Hill said. "They don't want to suppress anyone's beliefs, but some would say, 'You can say that, but Curt Schilling got fired.' But the values Curt Schilling was trying to promote didn't line up with what ESPN wants to be as a company."

    1. Lachowsky   9 years ago

      ESPN has become unwatchable to me. Unless its a live game, I quit watching them a couple years ago.

      1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

        Same here

      2. Ted S.   9 years ago

        I'm a tennis fan, and I'd much rather watch the matches on Tennis Channel. Pat McEnroe and company are that bad. Fuck ESPN for swooping in and taking the last couple of days of the YEC.

  42. Derpetologist   9 years ago

    College student stuns nation with sane opinion

    So your candidate lost. You have a right to be upset, frustrated and angry, but you also have an obligation to be respectful to others and to the will of the American people. Intellectual hypocrisy continues every day on campuses, where opinions that are not the norm are vilified or silenced.

    Imagine if you treated people of different races as you treat people with different opinions. There would be a tremendous outcry! But somehow it is fine to discriminate against those with different views.

    Did it ever occur to you that this may be why people voted for Trump? That it might not have been the "racist proclivities" of the U.S. or the "dangerous nationalism" of the people, but that it was people who tell them not to think or speak the way they do.

    1. Dark Lord of the cis   9 years ago

      I assume he was summarily expelled/ lynched?

      1. Derpetologist   9 years ago

        I expect there was a fair amount of Invasion of the Body Snatchers type pointing and screeching.

    2. ant1sthenes   9 years ago

      Strictly speaking, aren't the anti-Trump whiners racists? I mean, genetic racism is pretty rare these days, even among bigots; it's worth remembering, because back in the bad old days of eugenics and Nazism and the like, it wasn't rare at all.

      To the extent there is hatred, it's between communities on the basis of language, culture, socio-economic status, and things like that. Hatred of black people in the US tends mostly to be aimed at ghetto culture or sjwism, by people who hate ghetto culture and sjwism in general. On that basis, the hatred of black conservatives by people who hate conservatives in general seems exactly the same. Similarly, Islamophobia is treated as tantamount to racism, but it's hatred or fear of an idea-based community based upon a perception of that community's values and capacity to coexist with other communities.

      But if "racism" has been redefined to just function as a generic sort of prejudice or hatred against an identifiable community or culture, then the sneering contempt that progressives have shown to working-class whites is racism. And not the sort that they can weasel out of with BS about punching down -- the privileged races in our country (e.g. progs) might largely share the same genetics as the people they hate, but they aren't the same "race" as the term is used to denote "racism", and the people they hate don't really have much institutional power relative to their number (thus this populist revolt).

  43. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

    MEZAMETAMAE, WAGA EIEVUI YO!

    1. You ARE a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

      Is this your excitement for the new pokemon game?

      1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

        Vaporeon Nation.

        Papa bless.

    2. Derpetologist   9 years ago

      Fun language fact: Navajo is one of the few languages that have a 4th person pronoun. It's basically an indirect form of you. From what I can tell, it's similar to the way man is used in German or on in French,

      Navajo is a surprisingly libertarian language.

      Navajos believe that each person should have the right to speak and act as he pleases, so long as his intentions are not malevolent or his actions harmful to others. Desirable and ethical behavior on the part of others is hoped for and even expected, but it is never demanded or required. Coercion and control are always deplored in interpersonal and intra-group relations. Downs described this attitude as a belief in the "inviolability of the individual."

      The reluctance to avoid even the slightest appearance of attempting to speak for or control the actions of others is also significantly marked or expressed in Navajo grammar and linguistic behavior. A Navajo never addresses another person by name or speaks the name of another person when he is present.

      1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

        Cool, but it didn't do much to protect their culture from invaders....

      2. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

        Navajos believe that each person should have the right to speak and act as he pleases...

        Anna Wierzbicka made pretty much the same argument for ">a little known language from some island backwater. Particularly in how that language phrases requests.

        1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

          Do you recommend that book? It looks awesome from the description.

    3. John Titor   9 years ago

      That's not how Jojo memes are supposed to work. Pillar Man theme is for homoerotic posing, Roundabout is for 'To Be Continued's.

      Kids today, I swear.

      1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

        Did you just assume those Eevee evolutions' genders/sexuality/types?

        1. John Titor   9 years ago

          I know what a Pokemon type is HM, I'm not eleventy billion years old like you. I watch this Shakespearean drama as a wee lad.

          1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

            That looks like a very weird show

  44. PapayaSF   9 years ago

    Who are the biggest threats to freedom in the next president's cabinet? And in the Democratic legislative minority? ... Also: Who is the biggest threat to freedom in the Senate on both the Republican and Democratic sides?

    JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! Why focus on whining about the empty (or potentially empty) part of the glass? Trump has said a lot that libertarians should like! Cutting regulations, cutting taxes, nationwide concealed carry, ending Obamacare, Supreme Court appointments who respect the Constitution. I've said this before, but: This is an opportunity, people! Dust off those cost-cutting, government-shrinking proposals, update them, aim them at the new administration, and make a fucking difference for liberty! DC is going to get shaken up, so take advantage of it!

    1. Douchey defeats Trumpman, Jr.   9 years ago

      The wrong people elected Trump, Papaya. Journalists live in their own special world. For crying out loud, the death of Gwen Ifill got a PM link the other day. They decided that an irrelevant figure in journalism history deserved our attention.

      If she was a similar figure in, say, basketball, an equivalent mention would be the death of Mike Sanders or Craig Ehlo. Leon Russell's death probably merited a mention if Ifill got one, but that didn't happen.

      1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

        It's interesting to me that my impression of Trump has been one of an infantile self-absorbed douchbag, which is exactly the same as my impression of Clinton supporters.

        1. Sevo   9 years ago

          AlmightyJB|11.17.16 @ 11:47PM|#
          "It's interesting to me that my impression of Trump has been one of an infantile self-absorbed douchbag, which is exactly the same as my impression of Clinton supporters."

          Can't disagree. I was pretty sure he entered the race as a lark, was surprised by the result, and ended up the accidental president.
          For all of that, can he do worse than the last (bush I, clinton. bush II, obo) collection of losers?
          I find it hard to believe a random chimp could do worse than clinton II.

          1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

            I can't say I have high expectations but I'm certainly not going to get all worked up based on what he "might" do according to the medias fervant imaginations. The early talk about Bolton and Giuliani has further lowered my expectations on the foreign policy front though. As you infur, there's no where to go but up in a number of areas. Hillary certainly was more scary to me then he was. She knew exactly what she wanted to do and wasn't going to use any lube or give us the common courtesy of a reach around.

  45. Derpetologist   9 years ago

    I think we can all agree this protest sign is great.

    1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

      +1

    2. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      Lol. But it's not irrelevant. If time travel is discovered in the future after we are dead, and no one comes to this time, that does not do us any good.

      1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

        Depends on why they would be coming back

        1. Sevo   9 years ago

          There's the claim that time travel can't exist as a functional technology since no one has traveled here-time from the future.
          I make no claim that time travel is a functional technology, but simply that such a claim is illogical:
          No one heard a radio transmission prior to 1902, since the sending and the receiving technology were both required; perhaps time travel is limited to the time both technologies are available.
          Further (no tin hat), how would we know no time traveler has visited here-time?
          Again, not claiming it exists, but calling bullshit on the common 'proofs' it doesn't.

          1. JayU   9 years ago

            Time travel does not exist because DeLoreans went extinct.

            1. Sevo   9 years ago

              Yeah, but they had wheels.

  46. PapayaSF   9 years ago

    Don't miss this bit of hilarious snark: The Democrats Won't Autopsy Their Own Corpse

    1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      That was awesome.

      "When your whole party is based on virtue signaling, you don't have a lot of options except more virtue signaling. So you'll stick safety pins in your $600 sweaters, retweet your powerful hashtags, and unfriend anyone who doesn't think exactly like all you nonconformist rebels."

      1. Sevo   9 years ago

        "all you nonconformist rebels."

        Ever look at the bikes of a group of Hardly riders? Or their costumes?

        1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

          Seems like it's always been like that. The nonconformist conformity.

    2. Suell   9 years ago

      Hey P, do I send you a first edition hardcover of Sowell's "Basic Economics" or do you have a pick?

      1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

        Sorry, I've just been really busy. I will get back to you. Be patient!

  47. Sevo   9 years ago

    OK, linked earlier and no one seemed bothered. I sure am.

    "San Francisco teachers union offers Trump lesson plan"
    [...]
    "San Francisco's public schools have been offered a classroom lesson plan that calls President-elect Donald Trump a racist, sexist man who became president "by pandering to a huge racist and sexist base."
    "Educators are entrusted to create lessons that reflect the California standards, support students' social and emotional well-being and foster inclusive and safe school communities,"
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/edu.....620019.php

    Note: "[I]nclusive".

    1. PapayaSF   9 years ago

      Yeah, it's partisan b.s. that should be cracked down on. But I doubt it will be.

    2. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      Yank every dollar of federal funding.

    3. ant1sthenes   9 years ago

      Well, if they're trying to make a pitch to defund the Department of Education...

  48. Suell   9 years ago

    The slow march through the institutions continues unabated here in SF. We can't reach peak progressive soon enough. The pendulum has to eventually swing.

    1. AlmightyJB   9 years ago

      For some reason this quote comes to mind:

      "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win."
      Mahatma Gandhi

      1. Suell   9 years ago

        I believe we are still in the ridicule phase here. And I'm an optimist.

  49. butt-head   9 years ago

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/1.....-shut-down

    All site and user data has been destroyed.

    Like with a cloth?

  50. hurts_donut   9 years ago

    The US economy is about to sky rocket. Invest 3 weeks ago.

    1. Suthenboy   9 years ago

      Already did.

  51. The Fusionist   9 years ago

    Ann Coulter celebrates her candidate's victory in her usual irenic way

  52. PapayaSF   9 years ago

    'Gender-equal' snow removal procedures left Stockholm paralyzed

    1. The Fusionist   9 years ago

      You and your fake news. Let them explain what *really* happened:

      "Daniel Helld?n, a Green Party member who is vice mayor for traffic, was quick to blame the record snowfall (15 inches in a day) rather than the new policy. "Gender-equal snow cleaning is not to blame here," he told the Expressen newspaper, claiming that the policy had apparently not been followed."

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