California

Do #CalExit Supporters Realize Many Californians Have Been Trying to Escape Them?

A secession movement thinks (incorrectly) the state is just one big progressive playground.

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Under normal circumstances it would be inadvisable to treat the bursts of outrage by those whose candidate has lost the election too seriously (even if the winner is Donald Trump). But the last few years of culture have brought us to a phase where every source of outrage gets its own news cycle. And that has led us to people blocking highways in order to object to the results of a long-established electoral process in order to get attention for themselves.

Combine the increased news coverage of people being upset about things and the propensity for news stories based on a handful of people's tweets and voila!—let's talk about something being hashtagged #CalExit.

There's a movement for California to secede from the union, and supporters are hoping to get a referendum before the voters in 2019, in a movement vaguely called Yes California Independence. It's actually been around for years—the website has blog posts going back to 2015. A previous attempt to get an initiative on the ballot failed.

But post-election, there were a bunch of tweets from people saying they thought California should secede from the union, and so #CalExit became a thing to cover.

Here's the thing about this particular secession movement—it is utterly oblivious to the ideological diversity within the state, thanks to the wholesale Democratic domination of the government due to population density in urban coastal communities. California is "blue" because electoral votes are an all-or-nothing thing. In reality, Donald Trump got about 3 million of the 9 million votes cast for president in California. Those votes for Trump don't matter, though. Hillary Clinton won the state. She gets the electoral votes. Yet, the material for the secession movement then complains:

California's electoral votes haven't affected a presidential election since 1876. On top of that, presidential election results are often known before our votes are even counted. So, why should we keep subjecting ourselves to presidents we play no role in electing, to 382 representatives and 98 senators we can't vote for, and all the government officials and federal judges appointed by those very same people we don't elect.

Hilariously, this argument ignores that people who live in the red part of California have the exact same complaints about state government. And, in fact, there have been secession movements within California by people who are trying like hell to extricate themselves from a one-party state government they feel doesn't represent them. They're not looking to secede from the union. They're looking to secede from California.

There's also some absurd ignorance about the economics of the state. The proponents contend that the reason California has so much debt and such high taxes is because the federal government takes all its revenue, ignoring that the state's actual economic crisis is because of the unfunded pensions and health costs of state and municipal government and school workers. In separate categories it's calling for increased health care and education spending based on all the money it's going to save by not sending it to Washington, D.C.

The secession proponents note that the government maintains a "burdensome" trade system that hurts the economy (true!) and then in the very same paragraph opposes participation in the Trans-Pacific Partnership because it conflicts with "our values." (nope!) It's obliviously unaware of the migration of business and trade out of California because of how expensive and difficult it is to do business there. It would be interesting if there was any awareness in how the state itself is contributing to this problem, but no.

Instead, we have a movement of people complaining that they're being bullied by the federal government being completely oblivious to the fact that there's a good chunk of California citizens who feel bullied by the very kind of people who want to run this newly formed "country."

But not everybody in a California secessionist movement is so blinded. There was a movement in northern California to create the state of Jefferson, pulling a small chunk of the state away because rural citizens felt like regulators and the state government did not care about their economic needs. Sound familiar? Trump actually "won" several of those counties, but their populations are so small it didn't matter.

There's really no chance that California as a whole would secede from the union. Breaking up the state into more manageable sections that better represent the citizens? That could be doable, but this statewide secession effort makes it clear they also want control over the state's natural resources, which coincidentally tend to be buried and found in the same areas where people resent not just federal government control, but the state as well.

Below, ReasonTV looks at the Jefferson State secession movement:

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  1. Go for it. Knock yourselves out.

    Just remember, your citizens will probably be expecting non-interrupted delivery of those SS checks.

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          1. See, this is why my comments aren’t going through. You bunch of jokers. Nobody needs more than one comment per comment.

    3. And Medicare coverage.

    4. Can I still be Porn Czar? You don’t even need to give me any real power or authority, title alone is fine.

    5. Where these not the same assholes that gave Texans grief for the last…forever…any time we ‘yokels’ talk about leaving the Union? They like to bring up that we lost the Civil War and can never leave and the Federal power is absolute. Now, these same jackholes want to do the same without even a hint of irony or self awareness when one king is exchanged for another?

      Tell you what, California. You can leave the Union as soon as you let Texas do the same. I think most of us can agree that would be a win/win/lose, with the only loser being the United States Federal Government when they realize that it’ll be tougher to find willing recruits into their mercenary army. Maybe then they would need to rethink their policy of military adventurism, but I suppose I’m being too generous since robots and desk jockey’s do the majority of our fighting these days.

      1. *sigh*

        Were, not where. ‘Yokel’ indeed.

        1. I stayed the course bro! Good post, seriously.

        2. *Sigh*, not *sigh*. ‘Yokel’ indeed.

      2. without even a hint of irony or self awareness

        Because for the most part they truly believe that irony is what Alannis Morissette was singing about.

        1. She was, considering it’s ironic that one would write a song about irony without any irony in it.

          Mind. Blown.

          1. Isn’t it ironic?

            1. Don’t you think?

      3. You’re a fool for expecting principled consistency where none exists.

        1. I don’t expect it, I merely point it out but I expect most people are already aware of it. California is an exercise in irrationality as a form of governance. I think that it’s a truism that California is essentially the bizarro world version of Texas in many respects.

          1. only in the big city districts outside of that Californians are normal hence those who want to split the state into two. I’m in one of those northern counties. that will never happen but i can always dream and have an excuse for feeling oppressed by State.

      4. They are also the same hypocrites who say, “Not My President,” when 8 years worth of time they derided anyone who said that about Obama. You’re right, irony is truly lost on them.

        1. Hypocrisy? The left is submerged in it.

      5. No. progtards leave with nothing. Americans keep everything. Fuck the progtards.

      6. Where these not the same assholes that gave Texans grief for the last…forever…any time we ‘yokels’ talk about leaving the Union?

        Yes.

        They are also, I can say from direct experience, the very same people who have been sanctimoniously shaking their heads about the wrongthink manifest in the Brexit vote.

        1. and they are the same people mocking the northern Californian’s who want to separate from the south half.

    6. We’ll continue sending them the checks. As long as they pay their water bills.

    7. If they want to leave the US, let them. But they don’t get to keep CA, or anything they own. Let them leave with nothing and go to Venezuela. I’m sure the comraderie and socialism will be all they need.

  2. How about we give both groups what they want – expell a hanful of city-states from the unions, then wall them off so that they can’t get back into the US easily. That will free the californians who want to be part of the US from those cities and let those cities find out the hard way why Venezula ran out of toilet paper.

    1. agreed, maybe we could start with a “trial” separation ?

      1. Give the, a five year trial in Venezuela. Then lose their paperwork when they want to come back.

    2. Soon they will resurrect talk of Cascadia. Too lazy & still too hungover to google up better info than wikedpedia

      “On 9 September 2001, the Cascadian National Party website was launched on Angelfire, with the goal of launching a political party dedicated to the independence of Oregon, Washington and British Columbia, but faltered quickly

      Another point of contention within the Cascadia movement is the ideological difference between the western portion, often viewed as progressive liberal, and east of the Cascades and Coast Mountains, which tends to hold viewpoints more in line with libertarian conservatism. As Cascadia incorporates many green principles, it could be difficult to obtain local consent for inclusion of eastern Oregon, eastern Washington, and the BC Interior. Inclusion against the popular will would compromise social values emphasized by supporters of the movement, unless the politics in those regions shifted. Other Cascadian ideas such as a decentralized government, increased transparency, and local representation may find more support, and polling data suggests there are distinct cultural values within the Pacific Northwest commonly found on both sides of the Cascade mountains”

    3. let those cities find out the hard way why Venezula ran out of toilet paper

      When your leadership is that full of shit, demand skyrockets and supply can’t hope to contain the rivers of shit flowing forth from government.

      1. And progtards destroy the suppliers anyway.

    4. I’m for giving progressives nothing. WTF are they actually going to do about it? They’re just a bunch of gutless pussies.

    5. We wouldn’t need to build the walls, they would do it themselves just to keep all the population in side their new country. In a few short years President Rand Paul would say this, “Premier Moonbeam tear down this wall”.

  3. DO NOT CLUE THEM IN!!!!!!!!

    Let them normalize secession. If you want a libertarian moment, you must encourage widespread acceptance of secession!

    People can pound the table and say “Union now? union tomorrow ? union forever?” as much as they like ? it won’t alter the fact that the United States Government is not a permanent institution. It has become an organization that is destroying vast quantities of wealth with no comprehension that is should limit its activities. Inevitably it will fail to deliver that which it has promised and take too much from the people it is disappointing.. At that point people will turn against it, and the cry of rebellion will be in the air. I pray then that the rebellion will be the peaceful partitioning as occurred when Czechoslovakia broke apart, rather than the destruction of the War Between the States. An amicable divorce is far preferable to one where the man burns the house down and crashes the car rather than allowing his wife to get it.

    They are disappointed! Let them embrace peaceful divorce.

    1. This. Let them go. Let them deal with what being a separate country actually means. Hope they can figure out how to get water.

      1. Why do people think California imports its water?

        1. Dunno. They’re always bitching about not having enough water in the summer though.

        2. Why do people think California imports its water?

          Mulholland’s aquaduct all the way to the Colorado river, probably. Nothing implies needing to import water like a big interstate pipeline for it.

          1. * sorry Ownes river, in California

            My mistake.

            1. I don’t know where I got the wrong information that the aqueduct was longer, but I’m guessing it’s a fairly commong mistake, and contributes to the “California imports its water” belief

              1. some people think a lot of things are longer than they actually are… common mistake indeed.

            2. They do tap the Colorado.

              1. Oh, he built TWO Aqueducts!

                That explains my confusion.

        3. California is dependent upon the Colorado River and fights with other relevant states over water rights. It “imports” water in the sense that water flows from other states, in rivers. IIRC a quick is that they have access to the Colorado upstream of Arizona.

          http://tucson.com/news/science…..5c429.html

          Arizona wants legal assurances California won’t take its stored water

          older:
          http://www.latimes.com/local/c…..story.html

          1. Southern California also steals imports water from northern California

            1. Southern California also steals imports water from northern California

              Sort of. Mono Lake is not really a viable source for Northern CA. It’s technically in the northern half of the state, but geographically piping the water to So Cal is the more feasible option, as it’s mostly a downhill route from the Owens Valley to the south. Between it and the Central Valley there’s sort of a significant mountain range in the way. Which is not insurmountable, but there are cheaper things available.

          2. California is dependent upon the Colorado River

            Dependent is a strong term. AZ needs the CO River way more than we do.

            1. AZ = Master Blaster

              CA = Barter Town

        4. California gets about 4.5 million acre feet from the Colorado River every year. I wouldn’t doubt there’s a lot of river basin politicians that would LOVE to cut off California’s allocation and divert it to the rest.

          1. I wouldn’t doubt there’s a lot of river basin politicians that would LOVE to cut off California’s allocation and divert it to the rest.

            I’m sure, but that’s a good-faith negotiation – the CO river does run through CA. Half of it, anyway, for the last hundred miles or so of its run.

            In any case, we could find internal sources to replace water from the CO river. In fact, given the fault lines the piping from the CO has to cross, it would probably be a good idea to do that regardless.

            1. “..the CO river does run through CA.”

              Not if it gets diverted or used first.

          2. they could cut off California’s supply from the Colorado but then California could cut off the water in the Northern Sierras that feed almost all of Nevada.

        5. The entire Colorado river….

          I can’t imagine the horrors encountered in LA if the water supply were to be cut off. They haven’t been installing desalinization plants because of the pollution. They’d rather parch an entire ecosystem out of existance than get their air ‘dirty.’

        6. Because the blue parts of California import it from the red parts. And the red parts really want to be a separate state.

    2. How are they going to rebel with no weapons?

      1. A very large portion of the country would love to see California peacefully secede.

        1. I would love to see part of California secede. I’d prefer to keep the people who that part has been silencing. As a lifelong upstater, I know their plight, despite being on the other side of the continent. They need their own state.

          1. I figure California would need to pay off it’s share of the national debt first. Call it $2.5 trillion? Thereafter, sure, if the majority of Californians vote to leave the union, they should be allowed to leave the union. Same for Texans (after paying off 1.7)

            1. Better get it in gold. No “California Dollars” fiat money.

          2. No. we keep everything. They leave with nothing.

      2. How are they going to rebel with no weapons?

        You forget that CA is literally the home of the military-industrial complex. The pertinent question will be, how are y’all gonna continue to defend yourselves if CA won’t sell you weapons anymore?

        They won’t let the peasants have guns of course, but expect a sovereign CA to develop the first flying robot army.

        1. You forget that CA is literally the home of the military-industrial complex. The pertinent question will be, how are y’all gonna continue to defend yourselves if CA won’t sell you weapons anymore?

          This is the same dilemma Texas has–in seceding, you’d have to give up whatever US military assets are in your state, or attempt to hold on to them by force. Most of the military contractors would probably just up and leave, while the DoD would BRAC their assets to other CONUS bases, unless California tried to set up an arms deal with the US to keep them for their own use. Might be a nice way for the US to carve off a chunk of their national debt by selling California its own Air Force, Army, and Navy bases.

          1. San Francisco has already made it unpleasant for the Navy to be in the Bay so I think all these libs in California would probably be happy to give up all their military equipment back to the U.S. of course then it will be invaded by China or Russia again or Mexico again or any other country that still has their gonads in place. Cli will be ripe for invasion.

    3. +1 Tiara for Queen Pelosi

  4. You could have shortened the analysis to “They are all idiots” and that would have done just as well.

  5. …and you fell for the click bait, Scott.

    1. There *is* a legitimate secession movement in CA, it’s the northern one mentioned in the post.

  6. There’s really no chance that California as a whole would secede from the union.

    “We know how to treat dissenters. Hee hee hee.”

    Abraham Lincoln, legendary secessionist killer.

    1. A lot of people don’t get this. They’ve been sold the story that Lincoln’s greatest accomplishment was that he freed the slaves. Lincoln would have let the southern states keep their slaves if he thought it would preserve the union.

      Look at the inscription on the Lincoln memorial. What virtue does it encapsulate? Certainly not the one our schools tell children.

      1. In the popular consciousness, who Lincoln was (or at least, what he claimed to believe) by 1865 has overridden anything he said or did prior, unless it fits the narrative. Although, it is quite possible that if he could have kept the South in the Union peacefully, he still would have pushed for at least partial or eventual abolition.

        1. he still would have pushed for at least partial or eventual abolition

          Just like neocons of today push for “smaller government” and we see how successful that is.

          The narrative of a white knight gallantly riding his horse into battle and lancing racist slavers is so much more interesting than someone trying fruitlessly through non-violent legal means to end an abhorrent practice.

          1. I blame welfare on Eli Whitney.

              1. Cotton Gin is a terrible beverage – too metallic.

                1. A sweeter mixer, like Prestone helps.

          2. The thing is the Southern states didn’t even give Lincoln the chance to keep the Union together without abolishing slavery. More than a few issued declarations of secession before Lincoln was sworn in. Give the Southerners their due. When they said if Lincoln was elected they would leave the country, they did. And they took the land with them.

            1. Oh, there was fuckuppery enough to go around. Southern states painted themselves into the corner where their economy relied on slavery. They weren’t wrong in believing that ending the institution would devastate them.

              That wasn’t really the point. I wasn’t whitewashing history. My entire point was about Lincoln’s actual motivations, which are not as noble as commonly vaunted by the education system. I do believe he wanted to end slavery. A lot of people did. But maintaining political control over the entirety of a country was the overriding concern, and if that meant allowing the slavers to continue the practice then his noble intentions would have had to have waited for another day.

              1. I don’t think anyone can rationally believe that if the Confederacy had been able to peacefully secede, that slavery would have continued in any western country to this day. The United States were the only ones to supposedly settle the issue with a civil war, economic non-interventionism did the trick everywhere else. In 1880s-ish Brazil for example, when slavery stopped getting subsidized by the state, it become an outmoded means of production, people could not only afford to do without it, but it was less productive on the whole than wage labor. After economics had it’s way (read: raped slavery to death), the government was able to outlaw the practice with no meaningful opposition (read: without a pile of corpses and growth of state power).

      2. He freed zero slaves in the United States of America. His proclamation claimed to free slaves in the Confederate States of America. Sort of like emperor Hussein freeing all the Christians from Islamic prosecution would be.

  7. OT: Just saw a Puffingtonhost article titled “Obama Moves to Protect Planned Parenthood Funding, Permanently,” as if the President has the power to appropriate funds, much less do so forever. Fucking eh, the left don’t ever think anything beyond their childlike impulses.

    1. I read a post on another website where a guy said he was listening to some leftist talk radio show and they were claiming on there that the Obamacare law was permanent and could not be repealed.

      So, yeah – childish nonsense indeed,

      1. Obama knows this, he just wants the Republicans to have to spend political capital getting rid of this new regulation.

    2. What are you talking about? They have also predicted The Apocalypse next January, so they get a little more long term.

    3. Dude, it’s open season on chicks. I goosed five women on the way to work this morning, just like my white grandfathers did in the 50s. It’s so awesome!!!

      1. I just applied for my permit to kiss beauty pageant contestants, but apparently there’s a billion dollar application fee.

        1. Damn, Trump already set up a “grab ’em by the pussy” medallion system? That man works fast.

        2. I have it on good authority that a few tens of millions will get it done.

        3. Don’t sweat it. You just have to claim that you are on a billionaire on the application form. You won’t ever have to actually provide proof that you do have that money in the bank.

        4. The application fee drops to $200 grand if you fat-shame the contestants first.

      2. I just got back from my lunchbreak – i drank eight martinis, tipped the waitress with a pussy-grab, and then filed for bankruptcy!

      3. Did you put a pumpkin over your head first, in honor of Dear Leader? That’s how I do it.

      4. Soon we’ll be able to buy negros on Amazon

        1. I am not falling for that.

        2. I am still trying to get those 55 gallon drums of lube off my rec list.

    4. I prefer Huffingglue Post. I think it accurately portrays the brain damage it takes to be a writer/commenter there.

  8. We ought to support secession wherever we see it. More local control is almost always better. Plus in the case of California, the real winner of that secession would be the rest of the country that won’t need to endure the politicians and policies that the electorate of California inflicts upon the rest of the country through the federal government.

    1. If FedGov wasn’t so all-powerful, this wouldn’t be an issue.

      1. It’s funny. The 20th century empowerment of the Federal government (vs. state governments) was in many ways sold on the basis of ensuring that “poor” states would not suffer while “rich” states could take care of their own. Yet nowadays if you listen to the proponents of state power, they have nothing but condescension for the “poor” states while simultaneously demanding that the Federal government still carry out redistributive action. Where do they think most of this Federal redistribution is going to go?

        1. Where do they think most of this Federal redistribution is going to go?

          I think it’s mostly going into the pockets of big and powerful supporters of the Democrats. Where do you think it’s going?

      2. One could certainly argue, and I do, that the political culture of that state has had an enormous impact on the growth of the central government. Even the 9th Circuit that covers California somehow manages to be the most lefty federal court in country owing to the fact somewhere north of 80% of the judges were appointed by Democratic presidents, elected with no small help from Californian electoral votes. Though I’m not sure why other courts aren’t just as lefttarded. There are certainly smart people in California, but the stupidity (socialism) in that state is so voluminous and so dense that the smart and decent folks barely matter electorally.

        In California, I see a gangrenous limb and I don’t see the appeal of leaving it attached.

        1. * barely matter electorally. electorally irrelevent

  9. Short of the full on wrath of San Andreas, succession is the next best thing.

    1. Was the Wrath of San Andreas part of SMOD2016’s platform?

      The proggies would rather have a meteorite strike than Trump.

  10. Progs gonna prog.

    1. Do you support them, though? I’d love watching the state of Calizuela fail. The problem is that their border is too long to keep the refugees from flooding out like pus from a burst pimple, bringing their infection with them.

      The heads of Californians are swollen and red. Better analogy than I’d initially considered.

      1. I fully support self-determination in all things.

        1. Then we need to divide California, to give the non-urban Californians their self-determination back.

          1. Absolutely. If some trailer park colony in the desert wants to make a go of it, they can secede too. I certainly won’t lift a finger to stop them.

            1. Actually, it’s mostly the water-rich, beautiful, forested inland areas that want to secede; you know, the parts of California the wealthy coastal dwellers rely on for water, food, and vacations.

              1. secede = secede from the rest of California, not from the US.

  11. I know a few lefties that want to leave, because they want better schools and a more ‘affordable’ area.

    The lefties that move to red areas keep their politics with them. It never dawns on them WHY California is expensive with shitty schools and why other areas are not like that.

    1. I’ve noticed lefties are nearly immune to the political environment to which they migrate. But rarely, if ever, is it the other way around (i.e., rarely does someone on the right move to a city and maintain the same politics). The left would use that as an example of why they are right. I argue that, especially in this age of social media, they can live in their own bubbles even while living in “redneck” communities.

      1. +1 keep Austin weird

        1. I moved to Dallas from a rural area and if anything it’s set my beliefs in concrete on why I can’t stand the smug ass hats on the left, so I’m not so sure about your contention.

          It’s also true that Dallas is a blue bastion in the reddest of red states, and that liberals in Texas concentrate in the urban centers. Thus, even though there are plenty of people like me in the city we are outweighed by the concentrated debris of the left that washed up in the city.

          1. Lol, only Texans would think Dallas is liberal.

            1. Uhh…I think the consensus is that Dallas is in fact pretty liberal but that’s generally offset by the fact there’s only so much a municipal government can do to fuck things up in a very red state. Almost everyone you’ll meet in Dallas is a liberal Democrat.

              1. Except for me. I’m cool.

              2. Dallas in and of itself is rather liberal (it’s the perfect combination of poor minority neighborhoods, young urban hipster living, and old-money limousine liberals), but the instant you step outside of city limits, it starts getting dark red really fast. Some of the northern suburbs are turning more purple as the massive influx of Californians results in an expansion of urban living northward, but it’s still mostly contained to the inner city.

          2. Come out to the suburbs! It’s still “moderate” compared to the more rural parts of TX, but most of the ridiculousness of the city has been filtered out.

      2. Anecdotal, but I moved from an ultra lefty city to a conservative suburban area in California and doubled down on my conservatism. In fact, my hope is that the lefties all get priced out of this state, prices come back down, and the normal people who moved away come back.

    2. Surely it’s the fault of all the racist Republicans running California.

  12. Look, there’s (a) good secession, (b) bad secession, and (c) debatable secession.

    The secession of the US from the British Empire in 1776 was good because it was secession on behalf of freedom.

    The secession of the Confederacy from the US in 1861 was bad because it was on behalf of slavery.

    In between, there was the secession of 11 states from the Articles of Confederation in 1788 – the seceding states formed the US Constitution. The holdout states – NC and Rhode Island – had to accept the fait accompli as the other 11 set up a new government without them.

    And I understand there’s a bit of debate even today about whether that last secession was a good idea.

    1. Lincoln’s Kingdom of the North was technically a slave state too (not all slave states joined the Confederacy) and Lincoln was not waging a war to abolish slavery, he was waging a war to snuff out a lawful secession. The ickiness of the motives of the secessionists doesn’t make Lincolns armed interference in the secession to be lawful.

    2. Ugh… The civil war wasn’t fought over slavery. Also, it wasn’t a civil war. It was the north, using an immigrant army, invading the south and then burning it to the ground.

  13. “Do #CalExit Supporters Realize Many Californians Have Been Trying to Escape Them?”

    Yes, they do.

    And they want to take the rest of us with them as captives.

    1. Sorry, but the US’ policy is not to negotiate with terrorists…so you guys are on your own.

  14. It seems so much of this could be solved with more parliamentary systems. Winner-take-all makes that 49.9% feel marginalized.

    1. Parliamentary systems are even worse. In 2015, Canadians voted only indirectly for Justin Trudeau as prime minister, and his party MPs got only 40% of the popular vote. But he has a big majority in their Parliament.

      1. I dunno… at least in England, parliamentary systems result in a lot of PMs “stepping down”… anything which results in Politicians “stepping down” can’t be all bad.

        1. It merely gives more power to the party apparatus. The only reason they step down is that the party leaders make it clear it’s time to go. There’s actually no mechanic to remove them – if Parliament votes No on issue of confidence, new election is automatically.

          And parliamentary system usually means something like 55%-60% voters can get fucked.

          1. But at least with a parliamentary system, a libertarian party could win some seats– whereas they don’t win shit in a winner-take-all system.

            1. In the case of Canada, only if they were able to convince their riding’s voters. Otherwise those libertarian voters get fucked. A 3% libertarian popular vote still doesn’t translate to seats unless the Parliament is partial popular vote like the Bundestag.

            2. I’ve often wondered why the LP hasn’t spent a lot of money in one state for midterms.

      2. He doesn’t have a ‘big’ majority, he has 54% of the seats. The problem is that the rest is broken up between the other parties. Harper had a similar majority previously.

        And Canada runs on regionalized FPTP for MPs, so the majority of the popular vote doesn’t actually count. What matters is who wins the local riding. Which is why the Greens can get 6-10% of the popular and have only ever gotten one seat in an obscure B.C. hippie community.

    2. Who was Hitler? What do I win, Paul?

      1. An orange guy who stole the American election.

        1. I’m not Trump fan, but one of my issues with him is that I have no clue what he will do. All these crazed leftists freaking out before he’s taken office are silly, and screaming wolf for the umpteenth time is absurd.

          One thing about Trump is that I think he’ll be largely immune to MSM attacks unless there’s an actual scandal. And the bar for that is higher now, too.

          1. The MSM’s rapid descent into irrelevance will assure that the scandal bar will be set even lower. They can’t seem to figure out this vicious cycle thing.

          2. And the bar for that is higher now, too.

            And people say the Obama administration didn’t get enough done.

    3. Parliamentary systems give you leaders like Hitler. Parliamentary systems just mean you have socialists, communists, Christian conservatives, and fascists working out deals in back rooms.

      If Republicans or Democrats behaved like parties in a parliamentary system, one or the other would soon end up with only 30% of the vote. The reason our elections are always this close is because our political parties actually adapt to what voters want. That’s a good thing.

  15. Please do secede California. Trump could build a wall there to keep y’all from coming in and I’d actually support.

    1. Instead, force all progressives to Antarctica. Build a wall around them. Then they can see how global warming really works out. Hilarity will ensue.

      1. You spelled Hillary wrong – – –

  16. So…if only they could realize that a small federal government and strong, much more independent states, would fix this.

    But those evil backwoods yahoos believe in states rights!

  17. Do #CalExit Supporters Realize [Insert Anything]

    No. Unequivocally no.

    1. They realize that they’re awesome and people who don’t agree with them should either shut up or live in their own separate country.

      1. I’ve heard that California is Super-Cool to the homeless.

    2. In my defense, I’ve supported a CalExit for decades, but until yesterday it was wrongthink.

  18. “There’s really no chance that California as a whole would secede from the union. Breaking up the state into more manageable sections that better represent the citizens? That could be doable”

    Reagan supported splitting the state in two. The problem in the past was water. That’s a bigger problem now than ever.

    Despite all the money that NorCal gets from Silicon Valley, I think there’s some revenue disparity, too. The bureaucrats in Sacramento are financed with money from the whole state. If Sacramento stays in the North, why would they let the South cut off their revenue stream? That’s their payroll!

    Then there’s the philosophy. I say this over and over again, but it can’t be said enough: The whole definition of a progressive is someone who wants to use the coercive power of government to force sacrifice for the common good. Why would the progressives in Sacramento give up forcing Southern California to make sacrifices? They would have to stop being progressives in order to want that–because using their positions of power in government to force people to make sacrifices for the common good is what being a progressive is all about.

    1. “The whole definition of a progressive is someone who wants to use the coercive power of government to force sacrifice for the common good.”

      The definition of a progressive is someone who simply wants power over others and claims something to be a “common good” as the rationalization for why he should be allowed to have it.

      1. I think you’re being too kind.

        Your definition suggests that their insistence on forced sacrifice might be an unintended consequence of wanting good things.

        Whether the things they want are actually good is a matter of debate, but the insistence on forced sacrifice is intentional and, thus, an integral part of the definition.

        I don’t want to quibble with them about whether a clean environment, healthy people, equality, etc. are good things, but I’ll denounce them over forced sacrifice–regardless of whether the outcome will really be as they advertise.

        1. The definition of a progressive is someone who hates productivity and self-reliance.

        2. Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough.

          They simply want power over others FOR IT’S OWN SAKE and merely invoke a claimed “common good”
          as the rationalization/cover as to why they should be given it.

    2. Sacramento is not part of the norther separatist movement. it may lose being the capital of the southern state but it isn’t a part of the State of Jackson, at least not yet.

  19. Please god let California and all of New England take depart the Union.

  20. I’d love to see them try this and then try to survive when Arizona and Nevada take control of the reservoirs and dams on the Colorado River and stop the flow of power and water to Southern California.

    1. Funny enough, they’d probably be begging for a federal bailout before even that would happen. No way could they tax Silicon Valley enough to pay for their proggy paradise.

  21. My Facederp is dominated by people threatening to move from the west coast to swing states, rather than staying and seceding. My guess is that has about the same seriousness as the vaunted move to Canada.

    WHERE MY ARTISNAL SHIT AT?

    -Prog in Scranton

    1. If they were smart, they’d be moving to Iowa or Nebraska. But they don’t want to win, they just want to feel better.

      1. Keep those California ratfuckers out of Iowa. We don’t need’m, We don’t want’m. 😉

      2. Most of ’em mentioned Florida, which I think is hilarious. Good luck – hope your beta male cry sessions won’t be interrupted by meth-addled, dick waiving, gator-wrestling freaks (and some good people as well, I am sure) looking to steal your precious IPhones so they can get film of them fucking your suddenly aroused girlfriends.

        And they were from Seattle, not California – though I strongly welcome the progs leaving California too.

    2. God no, if we have to have more progressives at least keep them confined to the Poconos. Scranton is terrible enough as it is.

    3. Seems the have already overwhelmed the native population of Nevada.

    4. … what… they’re going to move back… home?

      17% of residents of San Francisco were even born in California, never mind in San Francisco.

      There is a downside to liberty regarding mobility in that people will move to be around others like them… it turns out that’s actually kinda bad for everyone.

      1. Yeah, it’s sort of like a voluntary form of political zoning. If you’re not of X political persuasion, you’re not welcome here.

  22. There’s also some absurd ignorance about the economics of the state

    You were expecting them to limit themselves to ignorance of Civics? This is California, Scott. They do it real big

  23. As a Texan, I heartily support the Californian secession movement.

    Of course, they’re going to have to pay their share of the US national debt. To lighten this load, I’d recommend that the feds exchange federally owned property within Californian territory against the bonds, notes, and bills held by the Peoples Bank of China. The Chinese communists would get some value for their accumulated trade surplus over the past few decades, the Californians would get communist administration, and we’d get rid of the Californians. It’s win-win-win. However, they’d also have to build a wall.

    1. I was brainstorming ideas for rapidly purging the current debt. My first thought was “require the government to auction off federally held land west of the mississipi until it is proportional to the amount of federally helf land east of the mississipi with all proceeds going to paying down the debt.

      1. That sound like a pretty good idea.

      2. I’d suggest forcing a sell-off of all federally held lands outside of the District of Columbia (and *possibly* military bases – I’m on the fence there). Lots of revenue raised to pay off the debt, lots more privately held land…

      3. The federal government has no business owning land aside from military bases and office buildings.

    2. I hear that the Chinese build great walls.

      1. A Chinese-American wall so great, you can see it from space!*

        *I know, I know, one can’t actually see the Great Wall from space.

  24. Two fewer U.S. Senators to feed? This just keeps getting better.

  25. I think it was Tip O’Neill who said “All politics is local”.

    Maybe that’s the way it is in Massachusetts, but in California, all politics is national.

    You know that bumper sticker slogan you see from environmentalists sometimes that says, “Think Globally, Act Locally”? Californians are always thinking globally.

    Californians will vote to send Democrats to Sacramento because of something some idiot SoCon said in Alabama. Some Republican somewhere else in the country says something stupid about “legitimate rape”, and the Republicans might as well hang it up for the cycle.

    Point is, California can’t be fixed internally. It has to be a national thing–and there are great things that can happen nationally that could help fix California dramatically. A balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution, for instance, would focus our politics on competing spending and tax interests rather than wedge issues.

    That gay marriage has mostly been removed as a wedge issue nationally is a big blessing for California. One down, 800 more to go!

    1. and there are great things that can happen nationally that could help fix California dramatically

      I like the Lex Luthor plan, myself.

  26. California’s electoral votes haven’t affected a presidential election since 1876

    Incorrect.

    in 1916 Charles Evans Hughes went to sleep thinking he was President-Elect, then the California results came in and we got 4 more years of Woodrow Wilson.

    1. Nitpicking their ‘facts’ is like criticizing Hitler for being environmentally-insensitive

    2. I think we actually got 100 more years of Woodrow Wilson.

  27. California seceding. Hmmm…the Democrats lose 55 electoral votes and the major centers of opposition to IP reform are neutralized in the U.S.

    No. Wait. Stop. Don’t go.

  28. I would absolutely love to see the State of Jefferson become a reality. This, however, is an entirely different thing. Progressive idiocy and navel gazing at its finest.

  29. They’d still need some sort of defense pact with the rest of the US. They’d also need some kind of free trade agreement, probably with free movement of people. Hey, we could call that construct the “United States”, as envisaged in the original Constitution. Under that, California can’t force Oklahoma to recognize gay marriage, and Oklahoma can’t force California to stop killing fetuses.

    Of course, neither the progressives nor the Christian conservatives who scream “secession” actually want this; what they really want is dictate to everybody how they ought to live. What happens right now is just a childish temper tantrum, this time on the part of the Californians, at other times on the part of Christian conservatives.

    Both of them like to trample all over the Constitution in their jackboots. Let’s not forget that European fascism was a joint effort of progressives and Christian conservatives as well.

  30. So are the Democrats the “Party of No” now? And is it brave when they do it?

  31. Ah, remember a few weeks ago when all the newspapers were running editorials about Trump’s horrifying contempt/disrespect for Democracy?

    Good times.

    1. Just like how I remember article after article talking about how important it is to accept the results of the election.

  32. I will thank God if this secession movement succeeds.

    1: Opens the doors to other people seceding
    2: The more important reason, separation from California!!

  33. Hilarious. A better threat even than the losers in Quebec or Scotland seceding from their respective gravy trains.

    Like your unemployed lazy step-son threatening to move out of the basement.

  34. Hilarious. A better threat even than the losers in Quebec or Scotland seceding from their respective gravy trains.

    Like your unemployed lazy step-son threatening to move out of the basement.

  35. Incidentally, here’s something you’re going to hear me talk about a lot in the future:

    If I’m not mistaken, the Republicans picked up control of both houses of two more legislature this week–Iowa and Kentucky.

    That brings Republican control of both houses up to 33 states–which is unprecedented in American history.

    In order to call a convention to propose amendments to the U.S. Constitution, you only need 34 state legislatures. The Republicans are almost able to call a proposal convention–without any interference from Democrats whatsoever.

    All you would need is one mixed legislature to vote for a proposed balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution in order to get it considered.

    1. sssssssshhhhhhh! Don’t start giving away all the secrets! the left may be retarded, but they really know how to gossip.

    2. History will eventually record that Obama to a very large extent was a “party of one”: a straight up cult of personality and nothing more.

      Probably nobody in American history has damaged the overall brand of the democratic party to the extent that he has.

      1. Yeah, I don’t know who the Democrats will turn to for leadership now.

        I suspect it will be Liz Warren and maybe they’ll recruit Michelle Obama.

        They have almost nobody anybody knows and likes to lead them.

        They’ll try to turn the midterms into a never ending series of wedge issues and attacks on Trump.

        I think the Republicans should make it about a balanced budget amendment.

      2. “party of one”

        Just like you at Olive Garden on your birthday?

        1. Hey be nice… Olive Garden definitely sounds a bit rich for his blood.

          Fazoli’s, maybe.

        2. Oh SNAP!

    3. First time since 1920 that the GOP has controlled the KY state house.

  36. In order to get an amendment to the U.S. Constitution passed, you need 38 state legislatures to vote for it.

    That might seem like a lot, but it could be well marketed to voters in the midterms in a couple of ways. For one, it can be marketed as an outsider thing. We’re talking about imposing something on Washington from the state legislatures. Congress and the President wouldn’t be involved at any point in the process. For another thing, you’re talking about defining the Republican party in terms of fiscal responsibility–rather than on wedge issues.

    It helps doing it on a midterm election, too, because Democrats have a hard time turning out for midterm elections.

    You could put off the date that the budget needs to be balanced in the amendment to 2050–we’re not talking about cutting the deficit this week.

  37. The secession proponents note that the government maintains a “burdensome” trade system that hurts the economy (true!) and then in the very same paragraph opposes participation in the Trans-Pacific Partnership because it conflicts with “our values.” (nope!)

    So let me get this straight. They’re pissed off that Trump got elected, because he has an identical stance on trade? Are they just upset his name isn’t Bernie who also wants the same thing, but with commie-flavored goodthinkful feels?

    I can’t wrap my head around the stupid. But, as of Nov 9, it’s something I’m trying to get used to.

  38. This election has been the best evidence yet that we live in a big, diverse nation full of individuals who have a wide variety of values. Simple majority rule necessarily means that half the population is going to be upset over every political outcome. The solution is to push political decisions down to the lowest level of government possible, where the largest possible portion of the population is in agreement. Often, this means pushing the decision down to the individual level. But, of course, to do this people have to give up their instinctive desire to arbitrarily rule others.

    1. If people really looked at the voting map it is pretty clear it is metro America against rural America for the most part

        1. I think you’re committing the same sin Scott identifies in this piece… assuming that because “rural” america breaks red and metro america breaks blue that there is a bi-polar divide…

          …when the reality is that one is 60% blue, and the other is 60% red.

          Beware simple-but-compelling false-narratives. There is some truth to the point, but far less than you might assume. And in that gap lies a lot of other important stuff.

          1. Also, blue/red voters in one part of the country can be very different from those in another part. Both inner-city Detroit and inner-city Manhattan are reliably blue, even though the individual voters have almost nothing in common.

  39. JESUS FUCK THIS COMMENT SYSTEM SUCKS SHIT.

    1. Trump did it.

    2. My thoughts and prayers are with us all.

  40. People are talking about the water, but the big item California imports from the rest of the US is 25% of its electricity. Let’s see how wonderful the LA climate is without air conditioning . . .

    1. “…California imports from the rest of the US is 25% of its electricity….”

      Which allows moonbeam to claim ‘X% of CA electric generation is GREEN’; he ignores that 25%.

    2. Lemme give it one more try.

      As I understand it, Cal ISO is run completely by the CA legislature. That’s right, the body that governs the power grid is governed by the politicians. How could anything possibly go wrong?

  41. Quite a few of CA (and SF) residents were quite sure there would never be another R pres, since on one who is ‘right thinking’ would ever vote R.
    The anger is a direct result of the ‘smug-wound’.

  42. Personally believe if the whole west coast wants to sucede they should be allowed. And that includes the northeast or Texas. If you actually believe in freedom then you should support their decision

  43. Latest Progderp on my facebook feed:

    There are calls to unify now that the election over. Sorry, but if we elected a normal GOP President advocating for limited government, free trade, and large military, I would disagree but accept the outcome. But to ask me to unify behind a White Nationalist hell bent on pushing policies that will destroy our environment and carries a history of sexual abuse against women (and possible an underage teen). Nope. Never. I love our country. Gonna fight this.

    These people cannot be parodied.

    1. More, from a public school art teacher:

      I’m all for the student/teacher walk-outs and protest marches yesterday, and understand the desire to come together and be heard. But I also wonder what we can do to effect the outcome of this election? Even if he was impeached, we’d still be stuck with Pence, right? And a Republican Senate, House, and soon-to-be Supreme Court.
      Part of the problem, as I see it, is that Conservatives were never afraid to play dirty. They horde(sic) guns and make veiled threats of assassination; they chant “lock her up”, making direct threats of imprisonment, and made clear they would contest any results that didn’t go their way… compared to liberals’ peaceful protests.
      I’m not saying we should employ their tactics. But we have to know who we’re really up against. Isn’t knowing your opponent a tenet of the Art of War.

      1. Those who can’t do teach.

      2. Part of the problem, as I see it, is that Conservatives were never afraid to play dirty.

        Yeah, wikileaks will be exposing them any minute now.

      3. But I also wonder what we can do to effect the outcome of this election?… [they] made clear they would contest any results that didn’t go their way… compared to liberals’ peaceful protests.

        Cognitive dissonance anyone?

        These people cannot be parodied.

        Here. Fucking. Here.

    2. I like how the blame falls on Trump and not those who demonized him.

      1. Think of it as “preemptive blame”: we blame you because we think otherwise you’d blame us.

    3. Sorry, but if we elected a normal GOP President advocating for limited government, free trade, and large military, I would disagree but accept the outcome.

      LOL, yeah, sure you would.

  44. … and from the Why won’t these savages accept our enlightened rule department:

    This election feels like a big F-U to diversity from rural America, places where diversity isn’t really experienced or understood. But it’s still going to exist and grow. How do we bring these places into the future?

    1. Is it great how spectacularly people can fail to understand?

    2. “Why won’t you regressive racist dumb white hayseeds agree with me about what’s best for you?!?”

    3. How do we bring these places into the future?

      Clearly screaming “Racist” at everyone who disagrees with you is working great, why stop now?

      1. I haven’t been able to work out whether as a gay immigrant with light skin, I’m one of the oppressed minorities worthy of progressive protection, or whether I’m a privileged cis-male white shitlord, according to the progressive calculus of intersectionality.

    4. That’s funny, I live in rural America where about 60% of my neighbors are hispanic…soo….

      1. Yeah, I was thinking this myself. Do these morons seriously think that no black, Hispanic, or hell even Indian or European people live in Middle America? I guess these people haven’t ever actually been to these places, so they just assume everyone that lives here must be white. Sorry, idiots, we are not all white. Not even close.

    5. no, it’s a big F-U to the diversity mongers who want to call everyone else racist, redneck, inbred, uneducated, etc etc. By the way, people who look different but march in ideological lockstep is not diversity, it’s the Borg, it’s group think, and the places that practice it are over-taxed, high crime shit holes. But that’s what happens when, ironically, you have never practiced what you preached and experienced some political diversity, when you have never heard a viewpoint outside the one in your echo chamber.

  45. So has Hillary spoken to the press aside from her brief speech yesterday AM?

    Or is she already re-located to her compound in [some country that lacks an extradition-treaty]?

    1. The only thing she has left to do is try to find a place where Chelsea can run in a safe district.

      They need Chelsea to be a threat to get into a position of influence someday, or there won’t be any leverage to drive donations to the Clinton Foundation.

      Hillary’s done.

      If she can’t beat Donald Trump, she can’t beat anybody.

      1. I’d love to know how many CF donors have asked for their money back.

        1. I’d love to know how many of these less than sterling characters are going to react when they find it difficult to collect on already-spent investments in the Foundation.

          1. Domestically, they’ll grin and bear the tax deductions. Internationally, they’ll just rape and pillage their subjects even more.

      2. The only thing she has left to do is try to find a place where Chelsea can run in a safe district.

        Should be plenty of places to choose from in New York and California. Maybe she can run for Weiner’s old seat (wouldn’t that be serendipitous).

        But yeah, if they can’t get Chelsea in a position where they can leverage influence, the Clintons are finished. Hillary’s gotten schlonged by a less-than-one-term Senator and now a real estate magnate/reality TV show host. She clearly needs to be monitored for her health and she’ll be 73 in 2020, which won’t help matters.

        I suspect by 2020 the party will coalesce around Elizabeth Warren, who isn’t a spring chicken herself but is clearly more energetic and healthier than Hillary, and loves playing the Twitter trolling game, or an African-American/Hispanic politician like Cory Booker (Poor Man’s Obama) or Julian Castro (do-nothing empty suit but has the right ethnicity). They may even double down around a transgender politician now that the future of their party is clearly centered around identity politics rather than economic issues. We’ll see how well they do in the long run by writing off white people altogether.

  46. For those interested, search for articles about trying to break Cook County into two counties. (Similar to the State of Jefferson stuff.)

  47. Had to run across town earlier and got blocked at an intersection; kids ignoring the signals, crossing against the light. Then I see a teacher, telling them to keep on walking. WIH?

    “Students from multiple high schools in San Francisco march to City Hall in protest”
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/art…..606389.php

    Looks like the teachers’ union is pissed.

  48. California’s electoral votes haven’t affected a presidential election since 1876.

    This sounded like total bullshit so I looked back. I actually made it further than I thought I would, but yep, it’s bullshit. Cali could have sent Nixon-Humphrey to the House had it so desired. Same for Wilson’s reelection.

  49. Secession?

    That’s dog whistle racism if I ever heard it.

  50. In the ’90s there was loose talk about Northern California seceding. SF was horribly disappointed to discover that they weren’t invited.

  51. Weren’t the blue states looking to join Canada after W was re-elected? I remember a map showing what looked like a crab with the Northeastern states and the West Coast as the two claws, and I guess the northern states like MN, WI, and IL as the head, but WI and possibly MI are red states now again-so now a headless crab.

  52. In the ’90s there was talk about Northern California seceding. SF was sad to learn they were not invited.

    1. Hopefully SF will fall into the Pacific when the big one hits. Or maybe Trump should build a wall around it first to keep out the proggies-they are much more dangerous than Mexicans or anyone else.

  53. Is there a petition I can sign to have them thrown out of the Union?

  54. Is there a petition I can sign to have them thrown out of the Union?

  55. Is there a petition I can sign to have them thrown out of the Union?

  56. you mean Californian’s would be able to keep the tax money that they give to the federal government? Count me in. For all of you saying don’t let the door hit you on the ass, can you do us a favor, write your Congressperson and tell the to support a constitutional amendment to let us out of our miserable union with the likes of Nebraska? Thanks, beforehand.

    1. You’d still probably have to pay your mortgage, idiot.

      1. Hmm… maybe. I’d probably pay less taxes though if I didn’t have to pay for Federal workers in Iowa who don’t like their tax rate.

        1. Wait a minute, idiot. I thought taxes were a good thing, and the price one pays for the comforts of civilized society. Haven’t you been banging that stupid drum for a while now?

          Jesus, you even suck at being a socialist.

          1. No he is a good socialist….taxes for thee not me is pure socialist

  57. Those guys up in the State of Jefferson have been complaining about the taxes they have to pay on their State Park job forever. If we’d just let them go it would make the balance sheets of the Republic of California look a little rosier. A clear win.

    1. Say nationalsocialist, how’s the global warming and carbon taxes thing working out for you?

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  59. I would like to see a map-poll to see where the #CalExit people are. I grew up in Cali and I have been forever disgusted that LA and SF control the vote swing for the whole state. If those two would make their own country, or two different ones, the whole US would be better off. Actually, if they split up Cali in to North, South, and Jefferson (Google it, Jefferson is already started) it would be much better.

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  61. They’t get more traction simultanously applying for incorporation into Japan, but Hirohito would work better’n Jefferson as a new name. There was a movement afoot in Physics Today letters during the Cold War to admit Poland as a State.

  62. A third of the state that voted for Trump would leave if they could.

  63. Los Angeles is the Capital of Aztlan – Paving the way to Aztl?n with propaganda, politics, racism

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  64. As a Californian, I whole heartedly support this, right after I leave this hellhole. 55 automatic EC votes for the Democrats completely gone? The Democrats would be completely unable to elect another radical progressive statist to the White House for a long time.

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  67. What these idiots don’t understand is the only reason California does so well financially is because it is part of the U.S. and U.S. has several military bases here and lots of items are shipped through her ports separate Form the U.S. and it looses lots. of course this is just typical cry baby stuff from the left make lots of noise but do nothing.

    1. Now i’m not gonna take it seriously next time California tries to secede

  68. People leave California because it’s so horrible, then they try to export terrible policies to other states. I’m fully convinced that the $12 minimum wage that passed in Colorado is because of so many California expats moving here.

  69. Let them do it. When they wake up and realize they don’t have federal money to rely on anymore they’ll rip each other to shreds.

  70. Go Jefferson State. As a person who came from Mt. Shasta CA I was all for this and still am. In fact, on my heavy metal denim battle vest I have a Jefferson State patch on my back, when I heard these dumb leftists wanted to Cali to secede I thought, North of Sacramento won’t go. Its funny, the leftist fuckwads during Nobama would call anybody who wanted secession “racist”, “hick”, “confederate” etc. But now that the shoe is on the other foot these people are calling for the same thing. Rank hypocrisy, what more do you expect from these people?

  71. After building the wall on the Mexican Border, could Trump build a wall along the Pacific Coastal Crest?
    The Central Valley (less Suckramento) would rejoice.

  72. It is fundamentally un-libertarian to be against secession. Secession is one of the most profound possible acts of political self-determination. It is the opposite of statism – it is moving power closer to the people.

    Sure, California is not homogeneous, and sure, lots of Californians would want to exit from a #CalExit California nation. That’s an argument for secession, not against it, because the same applies to an even larger degree to the country as a whole. The more smaller countries we have, the closer we can all be to getting the type of government we want. And the fewer larger countries we have, the more we all suffer from the tyranny of the majority, the diseconomies of scale, and the distant faceless horror of big government.

    Your argument, taken to its logical extreme, supports the idea of a single world government. Would you mock a “USA Province” hat wanted to exit a single world government just because there are libertarians within that USA who would want to exit from it? Would you mock their complaints about EarthState’s bad economics, because “USA Province” has some bad economic policies of their own?

    Reversed stupidity is not intelligence, and opposing secessionists just because they are progressives is not pro-freedom.

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  74. Yes, we know they are here and we’ll provide a one way bus ticket to Texas for them.

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  75. I’m going to support the movement. I can easily imagine Libertarians becoming the second biggest political party in the new nation of California. The GOP is going nowhere here. I can also imagine California setting up a parliamentary system of government, giving smaller parties a much larger seat at the table.

  76. #YesAllCalifornias?

  77. aside from water california also gets 1000’s of megawatts from hoover dam. they will need a lot of wind turbines to power their teslas lol.

  78. California’s electoral votes haven’t affected a presidential election since 1876.

    Donk candidates starting off with a nearly 20% head start doesn’t affect anything? Are they fucking mental?

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