Carbon Tax

Washington State Carbon Tax Initiative Voted Down

Leading environmentalist groups hated its revenue neutrality

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The carbon tax initiative (I-732) garnered only 42 percent of the vote in Washington State. The tax was supposed to be revenue neutral by lowering the state sales tax by 1 cent and provide tax rebates of up to $1,500 per year to 460,000 low-income households. The initial $25 per ton would have boosted the price of gallon of gas by about 25 cents, and added 2.5 cents to each kilowatt-hour of coal-fired electricity, and 1.25 cents to electricity generated by natural gas. Interestingly, the proposal which aimed to cut emissions of carbon dioxide that are contributing to man-made global warming was opposed by many leading environmentalist groups. Why? Largely because of the tax's revenue neutrality. The climate activists wanted to use the revenues to "invest" in various projects such as subsidizing solar and wind power schemes, mass transit and job training for folks put out of work by climate policies.

InsideClimateNews reports:

"We think it's essential to have the revenue reinvested in climate solutions," said Aiko Schaefer, coordinator of Front and Centered, a coalition of 60 social justice and community groups that opposed I-732. The coalition includes the NAACP, the Urban League, Coalition, the Asian-Pacific Island Coalition, and the Latino Community Fund. "Pricing carbon, and then giving the money away in tax breaks—including corporate tax breaks—is not something we could support."

As carbon tax proponent Yoram Bauman noted:

"There's two stories you can tell about how to get climate action. One is our story, a bipartisan revenue-neutral approach, and the other story is kind of what I would refer to as a unite-the-left, or progressive takeover of the world," he said. "For folks who are very committed to the second story, the first story doesn't look so good.

"Our position all along has been not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good…We think that they're going to look back on this as a mistake that they made, of being on the wrong side of history," Bauman said.

Let's see how far leftwing activists get in the future when they propose a climate policy to voters that amounts to a straight up tax hike.

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  1. You really have to admire the Washingtonians though, in their tireless effort to ruin their state and vote their own freedoms away. But hey, they did legalize cannabis.

    OT:
    Nigel Farage

    Damnit Trump, please give this guy a job, I want to see him more often. He gave me one of the greatest lulz I’ve ever had when he was laughing at the Brusselcrats over Brexit.

    1. Yeah, I gotta admit, Nigel Farage is a good dude. I’d love to see him appointed ambassador to the EU. He’s like a walking talking fuck you to the globalists and bureaucrats.

      1. And he had the integrity to do exactly what he said he was going to do – fight for something, and then step down once it was achieved. He has his flaws, but that was a rare ray of sunshine right there.

        1. Sadly UKIP is now convulsing without him, as Old Tories and Old Labour grapple for power within it.

          Luckily, idiocy of the Right Thinking People and their blocks in the path of Brexit may still pull them together. It still won’t be a broadly liberal party it was when it was founded.

          1. Not surprising, Pro’L Dib. The one common element of Euro-landian politics is the vital reliance on a central (often technocratic) strongman. Or at the very least, a colourful and charming pol with a unifying gift of gab.

            It’s currently on display in the USA, as it has been for the last 8 years.

    2. Jesus, that British smile. Mine aren’t pretty either but I’ve learned to keep my mouth shut.

    3. If Theresa May had a lick of sense, she’d kill two birds with one stone and make Farrage UK ambassador to USA.

      1. Theresa May does not have a lick of sense.

        1. Monte Crusto will gladly lick some sense into her.

  2. A faintly bright spot in one of the dimmest elections ever.

    1. Awww, for once you take one of our idiot ideas and move it South, and then you reject it? Sadface 🙁

  3. OT: Salon comments are hilarious right now.

    1. Why are they posting stuff and not making their plans to move to Canada?

      1. They just realized they have to pay canadian prices, their value added taxes, and pay U.S. income tax.

        And Canada already has a surfeit of native pundits. They’d have to get real jobs.

      2. They’d love to move to Europe: the culture, the social benefits, etc.

        It’s just the cost of living that’s so high.

        And there is no cognitive dissonance in that.

        1. Also the fact that they are monolingual limits them somewhat.
          As would the fact that they are ignorant idiots unaware of mores and customs of other nations. But they are too ignorant to know that.

  4. Because DRUDGE!!!

    Oh muh gawds! How dare someone post links to stuff on the intertoobz!

    1. Amazing how much they hate free speech these days. And in so many ways.

      1. Look, they only hate speech that they disagree with because it’s evil and doesn’t deserve protection. I mean, it’s obvious which speech is evil, right? No way that ever bites them in the ass.

        1. They defended Illinois Nazis! Think of it.

    2. One relatively boring website on the internet controls practically all American thought.

      This is known.

      1. Drudge is embedding subliminal messages in those links. The Russians are in on it, you know. Turning us all into Trumputins, that’s the goal.

        1. God: the Russians.

          This election year was like watching democrats morph into some bizarre Alex Jones black helicopters of leftism.

          1. The Russians who remain a tepid military power (sans nukes, of course) and an arrow pointing down economically? That Russia? What a poor excuse for a bogeyman.

            I’m all for Russia finally achieving political freedom and becoming more economically diverse, but we have much greater terrors here in the U.S.

            1. I wouldn’t say, “tepid.” from personal experience, Pro’L Dib. Sardaukar, they are not, granted. But not exactly guaranteed pushover either. Especially in the area of cyber-warfare, since that is much less expensive than say, nukes or even expanding missile batteries and submarine fleets.

              The area that this election, and Shrill-Bot unwittingly highlighting for all the world to see, is how woefully inept at cyber-security the USA really is. That, to me, is another take away from the 2016 elections.

              1. We can still blow shit up, at least.

      2. a website whose design has been unchanged since 1998, no less

    3. I am amazed at how many are crying today and blaming everyone but the incompetent corrupt for Trump’s win. Fuck’em in the eye with a rusty fork.

      1. I thought it was already settled that it’s the white CIS shitlords who have wrought this Trumpocalypse.

      2. I like all the people apologizing to the world. Like right after he takes the oath of office Trump is going to destroy the world or something.

    4. Fuck Carl Bernstein and his disingenuous Nixon-loving bullshit. Fuck that guy.

    5. Except that Bernstein actually doesn’t express anything close to “how dare someone post…”

      If anything, his statement is admiring of Drudge’s influence.

  5. The climate activists wanted to use the revenues to “invest” in various projects such as subsidizing solar and wind power schemes, mass transit and job training for folks put out of work by climate policies.

    So it isn’t about saving the planet so much as it is about letting them run it.

    Check.

    1. Yep.

      Isn’t it funny how every Progressive cause seems to end up with exactly that same recommendation?

  6. The climate activists wanted to use the revenues to “invest” in various projects such as subsidizing solar and wind power schemes, mass transit and job training for folks put out of work by climate policies.

    You can’t expect a bunch of ignorant hicks to spend their money on noble sacrifices such as these without putting a gun to their heads.

    Also-

    Has Tim Egan’s body washed up on Ellis Island, yet?

    1. My wife has had the TV on Globo all day and they’ve had several skits similar to that. It’s sad how incredibly misinformed people are, but no surprise when their news channels just regurgitate every single talking point from CNN and then sometimes get it hilariously distorted.

      1. I just think its funny that NBC thinks that we should all be embarrassed and upset because we don’t impress French Hipsters

        1. I got some pretty positive text messages today from people in South American and Europe. They mostly just said ‘nice gracious acceptance speech from Trump’, and they like the way he sounds on foreign policy. None of them seemed to be worried.

          1. Why would they be worried? Trump’s going to build a wall and keep stupid Americans out of their country. It’s a win-win.

    2. Funny how no one ever interviews people in NY (say, the Bronx?) about the results of French elections.

      1. There was a Brazilian guy on the intertoobz this morning going postal on that very subject. He was saying stuff like ‘Look how fucked up our government and economy is, why the fuck are you going on about the American election? It’s none of your fucking business. Worry about fixing our own mess’.

    3. On hearing that Trump had won, Alessio Renda, a 25-year-old music student, was incredulous. “Seriously? It’s impossible. Oh my god. It’s really strange, that’s my first reaction.”

      Oh, forgot this detail:

      ROME, ITALY

      1. Anyone from a country that had Berlusconi as leader doesn’t get to say shit.

      2. I know. Why can’t we make decisions like people who enjoy consistent double digit unemployment, with nearly 40% unemployment for those under 25?

        1. We can if you just vote to keep leftists in power long enough.

  7. Read as: Washington State Carbon Tax Initiative Initially Voted Down

    Which usually ends up being about the size of it.

  8. Let’s see how far leftwing activists get in the future when they propose a climate policy to voters that amounts to a straight up tax hike.

    Umm, Ronal’d Bejlij, I seem to recall your love for some sort of Carbon Monetary Punishment (since you don’t like the word, “tax.”) I guess you could call it a Carbon PenalTax. Or even more sleazy and onerous, a discrete Carbon Fee, since fees aren’t taxes according to CJ Roberts, and much easier to slide in and incrementally raise.

    1. So, doc, how are the in laws taking the news?

      My MIL is shrieking at her sister and the sister’s husband who is an Iranian engineer who has lived and worked in the U.S. since the fall of the shah (they voted for Trump). My wife had demanded (and received) my word that I would not taunt my MIL.

      1. That is actually an interesting question. Wifey, for the most part, finds it sad and amusing at the same time, but she is somewhat concerned that Troomp will tacitly encourage Putin’s advances in UKR, and possibly into Estonia. My response was, “Troomp may be more likely to actually sell the needed arms to the country, being a business type.”

        We’re western and southern enough now, that that concern is lessened considerably.

        My FIL is chuckling about it, and he finds it absolutely hiliarious, comparing Troomp to Yeltzin and Burlusconi. He is not as concerned that Troomp will ostensibly permit Russian western aggression, but cease fires are always on-off again arrangements. He figures that helping Russia expand energy markets, or at least staying out of them, will ultimately help the situation here, since Russia really needs money and might actullly leave us alone. He sees Troomp as ulimately an economic pragmatist who understands salesmanship, even if he personally wouldn’t buy a car from him.

        MIL doesn’t really have an opinion, since she is the Dotingest Baba that ever Doted to Dotetown for the kids.

        The rest on Social Media and VKontakte basically are more amused than anything else, and there are a lot of Burlusconi and Sarkiozy references, amoungst others.

      2. That is actually an interesting question. Wifey, for the most part, finds it sad and amusing at the same time, but she is somewhat concerned that Troomp will tacitly encourage Putin’s advances in UKR, and possibly into Estonia. My response was, “Troomp may be more likely to actually sell the needed arms to the country, being a business type.”

        We’re western and southern enough now, that that concern is lessened considerably.

        My FIL is chuckling about it, and he finds it absolutely hiliarious, comparing Troomp to Yeltzin and Burlusconi. He is not as concerned that Troomp will ostensibly permit Russian western aggression, but cease fires are always on-off again arrangements. He figures that helping Russia expand energy markets, or at least staying out of them, will ultimately help the situation here, since Russia really needs money and might actullly leave us alone. He sees Troomp as ulimately an economic pragmatist who understands salesmanship, even if he personally wouldn’t buy a car from him.

        MIL doesn’t really have an opinion, since she is the Dotingest Baba that ever Doted to Dotetown for the kids.

        The rest on Social Media and VKontakte basically are more amused than anything else, and there are a lot of Burlusconi and Sarkiozy references, amoungst others.

        1. PSA: you misspelled Berlusconi. It’s Burlesqueoni.

          1. Doh! Yes, I have been referring to Troomp as The Burlusque Buffoon (diminutive of “Berlusconi-esque”), so’s that’s the genesis of that typo. I rather like your spelling as well.-)

      3. Also, fuck you skvirrels. Reason get a better websajt. This shit is getting old. Ronal’d Bejlij contantly masturbates to autonomous cars, but your site can’t handle elevated traffic?

  9. Obama Gives Statement on White House Lawn

    his trademark ‘informed, avuncular’ tone of voice has never sounded so forced.

    Also = when he made his point about “the sun has still come up this morning”, it had only just stopped raining..

    1. …the sun still has to come up this morning,

      He quoted Sleepless in Seattle?

      1. I thought it was Annie.

    2. I’m so looking forward to the last time I ever have to hear his voice.

      1. It’s going to be awhile.

    3. I’ve always wondered what Obama’s actual voice sounds like, since I’m almost certain he never uses it in public.

  10. and job training for folks put out of work by climate policies.

    “And if there’s any money leftover, hopefully we can enact a few more job-killing-climate-policies too, to jumpstart the next cycle.”

  11. Meantime, on Wall Street.

    Loud booing rocked the floor of the storied New York Stock Exchange on Wednesday during Hillary Clinton’s concession speech to President-elect Donald Trump.
    Some of the Wall Street traders began chanting “lock her up!,” as Clinton appeared on television screens, urging her millions of disappointed supporters to accept the stunning defeat.
    “Ding-dong, the witch is dead,” shouted another floor trader.

    1. those “MARKETS COLLAPSING” headlines seemed to have a short shelf-life

      similar to my moan over the past few days = you notice how everyone in the news media was so sure the rise on Sun/Mon was due to expectations of a clinton victory?

      Everyone becomes strangely silent and/or insists that “data is mixed” and that markets are complex when the markets go up even when the results aren’t what they expected.

      I seriously can’t fucking stand the whole, “Markets Do X Because ________”-style of journalism.

      1. They can’t stand that the world might be dynamic and complex. Everything must have a single cause and solution.

      2. Markets fell because more people were selling than buying. Beyond that yeah you have to get in the head of thousands of traders all looking at different information.

      3. Journalists are often profoundly thick headed people, if they weren’t able to convince the buying public that they can sum up dynamic and complex issues with a few paragraphs of social signalling nonsense, then they’d be out of a job.

        1. Journalists are often profoundly thick headed people

          No, they’re consensus-herders.

          they overweight the collective-opinion as being 90% significant when it might be 30% significant.

          the correct interpretation of anything they say is that its 2-3X overdone.

  12. Revenue neutral = no opportunities for graft.

  13. The Vermont legislature wants to impose a carbon tax using the revenue for all kinds of additional “green” spending. One of the campaign promises of our new Republican governor is to veto it.

    1. WTF, Republican gov. in Vermont?

      Next you’ll be telling me that DC elected a Republican mayor.

      1. Vermont’s had a decent number of Republican governors. It’s the legislative that is totally Democratic.

  14. I had posted this Vox (yes, Vox) link a week or two back regarding the “coalition” (back-scratching, log-rolling, hog-trough sharing, whatever you want to call it) the greens had built with the blacks and the reds to go about getting a hugely expensive and cumbersome “carbon tax” passed, one that would provide plenty of opportunity for pelf and graft for everybody concerned. Then those sonsabitches at the state pulled the rug out from under them by proposing a straight carbon tax without all the pelf and the graft. So, yeah, it ain’t carbon reduction they want, it’s them being in charge of the scheme that’s the real plum.

  15. More Facebook derp: the same girl I mentioned earlier in another thread, who wailed about how voting for Trump was voting against her children, just posted that she’s going to some Not My President rally at the inauguration. What makes this particularly delightful is that this same girl had flogged the shit out of the “Trump won’t accept the results if he loses!” bit. The hypocrisy is so precious.

    1. Such lack of self-awareness is why the left lost yesterday.

  16. The Climate Nazis take a “my way or the highway” approach. What a surprise.

  17. The Vermont legislature wants to impose a carbon tax using the additional revenue to pay for all kinds of new “green” projects. One of the campaign promises of our new Republican governor was to veto it.

    1. It is squirrel season?

  18. Is reason ever going to fix its server?

    1. The Reason “server” is just a big old Ma Bell switchboard operated by orphans.

    2. No. Half of the stuff I’ve posted today just disappears or I get another error. The server and this here chat room are shit quality. I’m embarrassed, libertarians are supposed to be smart. What are they doing, running a web site on a laptop in their office and have a 10 year old developing it?

      1. Well libertarians may be smart, but Reason has to get some into their office first…

        1. Good point.

      2. I don’t know why they don’t just run something off-the-shelf. There are plenty of free options even. I guess they really want to pay some IT guy to do it.

    3. “Is reason ever going to fix its server?”

      I promised to cut my donation last year, and it was 50% of what it was the year before. ‘Nother half off this year; hit ’em in the pocket book.

  19. Fix it? What’s wrong with it?

    -The Squirrels

  20. Someone around here said to vote No on anything revenue-related or that seemed overly complex.

    This is a perfect example of that strategy.

    1. Is the shiver going to run back down Chris Matthews leg?

  21. Half of the stuff I’ve posted today just disappears or I get another error. The server and this here chat room are shit quality. I’m embarrassed, libertarians are supposed to be smart. What are they doing, running a web site on a laptop in their office and have a 10 year old developing it?

    Suderman drank himself into a stupor and puked on it about the time they admitted Trump had won Pennsylvania.

    1. Considering Suderman’s continuous devolution into Top. Man. worship and irrational Troomp bed wetting, I’d actually pay to see this.

      1. Mrs Suderman (although that’s unfair, she’s a better writer than her husband, it should be Mr McArdle) has the first reaction

        Repeal Would Be Even Worse Than Obamacare

        It is less stupid than headline would imply. It hangs on the idea that “guaranteed issue” and “community rating” are super-popular and cannot be repealed. But if GOP just lets the thing run as-is, it will collapse anyway, and

        if we end up in a situation where, say, half the counties in the U.S. have no policies available on Obamacare exchanges (and most of the functional exchanges are in blue states), then Americans are not going to care so much about a theoretical right to buy insurance, which they can’t exercise because insurance isn’t available.

  22. Tech weenies didn’t get what they’d paid for:

    “Silicon Valley tech heavyweights reel in wake of Trump’s victory”
    http://www.sfgate.com/business…..604628.php

    Mostly known devil vs the alternative, but that twit who’s running Zinga into the ground is whining about “HITLER!”

  23. Logged onto my Facebook for the first time in about 6 months, to taste all the yummy tears. I had my fill after three or four extremely hyperbolic posts. Apparently there’s going to be death camps for the gayz, blacks will be shipped to Africa by freighters and trannies will have their dicks forcibly reattached.

    1. I know, right? I thought it would be fun for a while at least, but it was just…sad. Like watching a naked version of UK The Office.

    2. If I didn’t know better, I would think that’s hyperbole. But as many times as I’ve heard progs actually say stuff like that, I believe it.

      1. I wish it were. People are genuinely coming unhinged. |#I’mStillWithHer”

        1. But there are mobs of red hat wearing males in the streets right now raping and beating everyone, just like they said there would be, right?

          Well, maybe the Trumpets are all too hung over today. But wait until tomorrow!

          1. Nah, rapin’ time is after Beer Hour (1 PM) here on West Coast.

          2. Well one of the most aggravating reoccurring things I gleaned from all the butthurt out there, are Hilary supporters on the coasts belittling we simple folk in flyover country. They start by saying that the urban rural divide is sad and we need to all come together, then they immediately characterize the rurals to be slack jawed retards, quite unlike our cosmopolitan betters. There were a few people complaining that it’s bullshit that “flyover country gets to pick the president over the well-informed people of the coast whose finger is always on the pulse of the country.”

            Well tough shit, out here in flyover country, we constantly live under policies and politicians hand crafted by New York and California that have no support or place in our communities.They say they want to secede from us, and I think we just found some common ground on that point.

            1. “Well one of the most aggravating reoccurring things I gleaned from all the butthurt out there, are Hilary supporters on the coasts belittling we simple folk in flyover country”

              I’ve been warming several of my prog acquaintances about this for a while now. I told them, hey I know some of these people, actually a lot of them and they hear you loud and clear and they’re very offended by it. You guys are going to keep it up and it’s going to cost you big time. They just scoffed at the idea that the uneducated hillbillies in flyover could ever put a dent in their great plans. Now I’m sure they are ‘stunned’, how could this happen!? Now watch them double down on it.

              1. Since I firmly dressed down my boss and a bunch of coworkers for doing just that, they have been noticeably reticent to talk to me. One girl is actually struggling to speak to me, as if I am the devil incarnate.

                Same argument on facebook, and I was told snootily that “it’s neither helpful nor relevant”.

                They scream that people should be “grownups” and do what they demand, and show neither curiosity or comprehension when people explain that there are reasons other than “idiocy” for opposing their ideas.

                Fuck ’em. They deserve every bit of the misery we’re going to experience under Trump. And if Trump turns out not to be a disaster, but a semi-Ok ruler, it’s far better than they deserve.

                1. “it’s neither helpful nor relevant”.

                  WHY ARE YOU NOT SOOTHING MY MISCONCEPTIONS

          3. “But there are mobs of red hat wearing males in the streets right now raping and beating everyone, just like they said there would be, right?”

            If there are , they are all DNC paid goons pretending to be Trump supporters.

    3. Don’t you know he’s going to stage a coup and send out roving rape gangs to terrorize the country? The fact that more military people supported him than Clinton proves this.

  24. “The tax was supposed to be revenue neutral by lowering the state sales tax by 1 cent and provide tax rebates of up to $1,500 per year to 460,000 low-income households. The initial $25 per ton would have boosted the price of gallon of gas by about 25 cents, and added 2.5 cents to each kilowatt-hour of coal-fired electricity, and 1.25 cents to electricity generated by natural gas.”

    Way too much maths to achieve revenue neutrality. Laughably so given how deceptively inefficient government is. Honestly, people. WORK WITH ME.

    “The climate activists wanted to use the revenues to “invest” in various projects such as subsidizing solar and wind power schemes, mass transit and job training for folks put out of work by climate policies.”

    In other words, they want to steal other people’s money and pass it off as an investment to pay for their scheme.

    “Our position all along has been not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good…We think that they’re going to look back on this as a mistake that they made, of being on the wrong side of history,”

    No, it won’t. You on the other hand, Bauman…

  25. In other words, they want to steal other people’s money and pass it off as an investment to pay for their scheme.

    Fixed it for you.

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