Election 2016

Here's a Great Question for Tonight's Debate: What Are Clinton and Trump Going To Do about 'Mutant Capitalism'?

Millennials are rightly skeptical of an economic system that rewards politically connected cronies rather than innovation and hard work.

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Ah, the kids these days!

Those millennials hate capitalism, don't they, the very bedrock of the country? Holy hell, 42 percent say they prefer socialism as the best way to organize society! As pollster Frank Luntz has pronounced, "the hostility of young Americans to the underpinnings of the American economy and the American government ought to frighten every business and political leader."

An excellent piece in the Wall Street Journal by Christopher Koopman of the Mercatus Center pushes back on this, noting, among other things, that millennials don't actually know what socialism means (in making this point, he relies on the Reason-Rupe poll of millennials, a benchmark of that cohort's attitudes towards politics, business, and culture). Koopman points out that most millennials have come of age in an era of bank bailouts and rampant cronyism, in which certain players (say, taxicab owners) get government protection from new and competing ways of delivering services and goods (think Uber).

Strip away the titles of "capitalism" and "socialism," and the responses become drastically different. A…Reason-Rupe poll found that college-aged respondents are far more supportive of a "free-market system" (72%) than they are of a "government-managed economy" (49%). In reality, millennials—regardless of party or ideology—have arrived at a surprising consensus: We support free markets, are very much unhappy with the current state of affairs, and are still looking for change.

This is good news, but it should also serve as a warning. Perhaps at no time in history has it been more important to differentiate genuine capitalism from the mutant system that has dominated economic policy over the last decade. Yet Mr. Luntz's analysis is still absolutely right: Millennials are hostile to the underpinnings of the American economy. We simply shouldn't confuse that economy with capitalism.

That's exactly right, and it suggests a great question for tonight's debate between the two most-disliked presidential candidates in the era of polling: "Donald Trump, you've made your fortune in large part by leveraging political connections to get preferential zoning, land-use, and tax treatments. Hillary Clinton, you've bragged about being the senator from Wall Street and Wikileaks shows that you have a very tight, profitable relationship with the financial industry. You're both running on openly protectionist economic platforms. What will each of you do to make free enterprise great again? Or at least free from intervention in which the government picks winners and losers based on political considerations?"

Check out Reason's special page about "Why Millennials Aren't Listening To You. And That's a Good Thing."

Back in 2008, Emory English prof and The Dumbest Generation author Mark Bauerlein argued that, no, really, millennials really are that stupid. Take a look:

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  1. Nick, I only wish I had the keen editorial insight you display everyday here on Reason.

    1. He’s even better as a debate moderator.

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  2. Perhaps at no time in history has it been more important to differentiate genuine capitalism from the mutant system that has dominated economic policy over the last decade century.

    1. It’s progressively gotten worse. Feature, not bug.

      1. One thing is for sure. The subject will not come up. You have to have practiced free market capitalism to understand what it is.

      2. No, I don’t think so, either worldwide or in the USA alone. Can you really think enterprise was freer in the days of the federal transportation cartels? Or telecommunication monopoly? When dietary supplements were thought to be regulable as drugs? When not just Uber, but hitchhiking was illegal? It wasn’t long ago that many of today’s common financial instruments would’ve been illegal competition for the banking monopoly.

        Don’t kid yourselves. Enterprise is freer and less in need of political cx than it was 50-100 yrs. ago.

    2. Yes, we call the pre-2006 era “the Somalia Years.”

  3. Cronyism? Expand it, of course.

  4. I think a few things are noteworthy:

    1) We don’t have a capitalist system here. It’s a poorly managed crony-capitalist, quasi-socialist system labeled by critics as “capitalism.” If I thought our economy was an example of “capitalism,” I’d think capitalism sucked, too.

    2) When the yutes hear about socialism today, it’s usually in the context of how great Sweden and Denmark are. The atrocities of the USSR and Mao’s China are quietly ignored.

    3) Let’s not forget that the snowflake generation’s response to everything is to demand more intervention from parents/administrators/government, and less freedom.

    4) Get off of my lawn!

    1. 1) We don’t have a capitalist system here. It’s a poorly managed crony-capitalist, quasi-socialist system labeled by critics as “capitalism.” If I thought our economy was an example of “capitalism,” I’d think capitalism sucked, too.

      Lieutenant Briggs: You’re a good cop, Harry. You had a chance to join my team, but you decided to stick with the system.
      Harry Callahan: Briggs, I hate the goddamn system! But until someone comes along with changes that make sense, I’ll stick with it…

  5. millennials don’t actually know what socialism means

    Oh, ok. I feel much better now.

    1. Oh yeah, well you don’t even know what socialism is! Cuz it rocket science!

      /moar progderp

    2. Well when the adults hold up places like Sweeden and Denmark as great examples of socialism, even though they are more friendly to business then America, it’s not hard to figure out why they might be confused.

      1. It’s astounding how they don’t understand that neither of those countries have a large generational welfare population like the USA has. They actually believe that you can take a country of 350 million people, a full one third of who are completely dependent upon government handouts and turn it into a country of 10 million people with a very homogeneous demographic.

        1. And let’s also not forget that Sweden and Denmark barely pay anything for defense of their own countries, much less to defend roughly 85% of the world.

          1. Math icky, me has feelz!

          2. And let’s also not forget that Sweden and Denmark barely pay anything for defense of their own countries, much less to defend roughly 85% of the world.

            I don’t think defense is a talking point for millennials. Not fucking with other countries and stumbling into quagmires is a good thing so long as you don’t try to sell them on white American corporatism. I think pointing out that inclusiveness and racial diversity are far higher here and that ‘white nationalism’ is far stronger in Nordic countries than here would run counter to that mentality/ethos. Sweden et al. wanted nothing to do with Iraq or Syria and I don’t think that is such a big deal with millennials until you point out that because Sweden had little to do with Iraq or Syria they want little to do with brown refugees. Then it becomes a problem.

            1. try to sell them on white American corporatism

              I think many millennials would support 1930s style corporatism if you don’t use the C-word or the F-word.

              After all, look how many supported Sanders and he advocated 1930s style corporatism:

              If I were elected president, the foxes would no longer guard the henhouse. To ensure the safety and soundness of our banking system, we need to fundamentally restructure the Fed’s governance system to eliminate conflicts of interest. Board members should be nominated by the president and chosen by the Senate. Banking industry executives must no longer be allowed to serve on the Fed’s boards and to handpick its members and staff. Board positions should instead include representatives from all walks of life ? including labor, consumers, homeowners, urban residents, farmers and small businesses.

  6. Or, ‘There’s only one capitalism, the kind that evul coroporashunz oppress us with by selling us stuff we want!. If only the government made all the stuff, it would be free! And with less GMOs and carbon!’

    /progderp

    1. If we were to resurrect the SNL “Talking Points” version of Frankenstein, Tonto, and Tarzan and replace with obama, krugman, and michael moore, et al…the gist of the conversation would be: profits, bad!

  7. If you think it’s bad now, wait until the repercussions of the Fed’s actions come into full play. The global central banking system is at a crisis point and the cracks are showing.

    Once it really starts coming apart, the demand for more government to save us from government is going to get very loud.

    1. Once again, feature, not bug.

      1. Exactly right, feature, not bug. Specifically designed into the system. What is coming…..One world (or mostly one) government controlling everything. Why? To save us.

        I see, woods, shack, guns, ammo in my future.

  8. Millennials are wrong because they do not take the time to learn what free market capitalism is and certainly will not learn in schools.

    Acceptable definition: The mutual exchange of value for benefit between two consenting parties.
    All without government collusion, influence, favoritism, regulation, trade barriers, price mandates, or oversight of any kind. As long as private property rights are respected and contract law is uniform, equal opportunity for advancement is available to all. This allows commerce to transact, private wealth to be created, and improved opportunities for individual achievement.
    Of course creative destruction is naturally the potential converse outcome which is a wonderful thing. This allows the bad actors to be eliminated and the less astute businessmen to be replaced by better competition which opens the door for lower costs for the consumer. Through price discovery and without centrally planned market manipulations, the economy functions far more efficiently through the invisible hand.

    1. Of course creative destruction is naturally the potential converse outcome which is a wonderful thing.

      but… but… TBTF!

      1. We have to abandon capitalism to save it.

    2. Acceptable definition: The mutual exchange of value for benefit between two consenting parties.

      That’s a good definition of trade, but I think it’s worth distinguishing trade from the investment of capital for profit. True, it all redounds to trade as you describe it, but it’s a massive improvement over mere barter.

    3. Words mean what we use them to mean. If everyone uses Capitalism to describe a system in which those with capital secure privileges from the government to protect their economic fiefdoms and prevent market entry from non connected competitors, well then that’s what Capitalism means to everyone.

      Complaining that everyone is using the functional definition over the dictonary one won’t do much to fix it. You need to either:
      1) Consciously educate people about the difference
      2) Find a new word to mean what you intend.

      1. The word “capitalism” tended to mean that all along. I’m not for capitalism (a system where capital governs), but rather free enterprise.

  9. Let’s see, we stick kids in gov’t schools for 12 or more years, taught by ‘teachers’ who love the gov’t, since that’s who pays them, and are surprised that they find the gov’t the font of all that pleases them.
    I’m surprised 58% managed to get through that without being ‘converted’.

    1. And if Hillary gets her way it will be stick kids in gov’t schools for 16 years. That’s 4 more years to turn them into brainwashed infants.

      1. Remember too the FDR is the greatest thing that ever happened to this country.
        That is one of the things I remember most from my elementary history classes. That and the Robber Barons. How passive aggressive is that?

        These supposed robber barons brought millions of people toiling in the fields into population centers where the world was at their doorstep. They had improved incomes, higher standards of living over their previous condition, and watched themselves become the prosperous middle class. What devils those rich bastards were.

        1. I thought FDR was the greatest president evah! until I went to college.

          Luckily I had decent Poli Sci and History professors who disabused me of that silly idea very quickly.

        2. I was taught that World War II military spending and central banking saved the economy from ruin and that child labor was ended by wise Top. Men. who had the brilliant idea to just make it illegal, as if it were really as simple as just declaring it illegal and it goes away. Gee wiz why didn’t earlier generations just ban it to achieve utopia.

      2. or they can start a business and get crushed by the licensing and govt’s other entrenched-monopoly-protection bullshit.

        1. If we don’t have regulation, who is going to stop these business profiteers from killing and eating their customers?

    2. I still remember my senior year high school social studies teacher saying that socialism is the best form of government. That was in 1971. I knew it was a fallacy then & it still is. I would be able to argue the point better now. I didn’t have the knowledge to argue with him then.

  10. What’s going on is that now Washington DC is just one giant grab bag of what’s left of the country’s prosperity and politicians and bureaucrats are anxiously snatching up what they can get while the getting is good. Everyone knows this cannot continue, well everyone with half a brain. And when it’s over, the lord of the flies will rule over it’s broken land with an iron fist.

  11. Hey Nick! I’m a millennial who thinks Krugman is a hack, Schiff is a prophet, and Hazlitt’s “One Lesson” changed my life. Also – I work in engineering so I get see changes that affect the wealth creation side of the economy and technologies being implemented to make it more efficient. How come I can’t be included in these polls? I’m sure I could provide more insight than random ass polling of Bern Outs (TM) who can’t be bothered to read a legitimate economics book over their $8 free range, soy, cruelty and capitalism free mocha latte.

    Or do you have a hard on for “broad brush stroke” analysis?

    1. “Also – I work in engineering”

      Get out of here, you deplorable. We don’t take kindly to the likes of you round this here chat room.

      1. I gotta do SOMETHING while waiting on a CAD model to render. Might as well make fun of progs and read SugarFree fanfic.

    2. Get back to your Pok?mon GOing and your Beliebering and your planking and let the grownups talk.

    3. Or do you have a hard on for “broad brush stroke” analysis?

      The article specifically derails the argument that millennials are all a bunch of commies, and does so by disaggregating the polls.

      1. You didn’t actually reading the article, did you? That’s not how things work around here. You read the headline, look at the byline and then make wild assumptions about the actual content of the article or blog post. Then jump into the comments and start bitching and moaning about how much reason sucks ’cause they’re clearly in the tank for Cankles. REEDING IZ 4 FAGZ.

        1. Legitimate question:

          Given the propensity for said behavior, why not start a forum/message-board load it up with ads, and let those of us just looking for discussion use it?

  12. GET OFF MY LAWN?

  13. In reality, millennials?regardless of party or ideology?have arrived at a surprising consensus: We support free markets, are very much unhappy with the current state of affairs, and are still looking for change.

    Sorry, I’m not buying this. At all. I don’t see Millennials demanding the government refrain from intervening against the sharing economy, even if they do use its services. They’d line up happily in favor of a ban on surge pricing, just as one example. Aside from that, they seem largely indifferent to regulation. And their complaints about the bailouts for big companies aren’t that the bailouts took place, but that the big companies were the recipients, rather than them. Whatsmore, how does crony-rampant “green energy support” rank with Millennials? Most I’ve heard from are pretty much in favor. And how you get that a group largely in support of “free” college is capitalist is beyond me. Lastly, the Millennials are the generation that says with a straight face that the government not mandating insurance provide birth control amounts to denying them access to it.

    1. Yeah. I’m sure people answered the poll the way it’s reported here. But stated and revealed preferences can be different even with neutrally worded questions, and “do you support free markets” isn’t really a neutral question – everyone supports the word “free”, just not those nasty implications of it.

    2. Millennials don’t have the patience to figure out how their own employers function. They have no fcking clue about the economy or government.

      The sht I see from those clowns on a daily basis is mind blowing.

      Sad!

  14. Butt Hurt millennials whining about someone questioning their snowflake status, why am I not surprised.

    1. It’s not whining, it’s persuasion.

  15. American capitalism is arguably a system where big businesses get the government to create rules protecting them from competition by small businesses.

    By that definition, I’m not a big fan of capitalism.

    1. Isn’t that pretty much how every country’s “capitalism” works? And for that matter how every “socialist” country (as in democratic 3rd way whatever socialism) works too?

      But more accurately our system is a corrupted version of capitalism. All systems are corrupt in the real world after all. Doesn’t mean we should embrace the corruption or whatever the hell people are thinking when they try to use the same exact tool that is causing the problem in the first place, i.e. govt intervention..

  16. Simpler question: Should Uber be regulated by the Government? Why or Why not?

    1. Yes, because Uber underpays its drivers and overcharges customers during storms. The fact that one needn’t choose to work for or buy from Uber doesn’t enter into it.

      /progressive

      1. It’s true. Uber forces people at gunpoint to work for them for low wages. No one is doing it voluntarily.

        1. Wage slavery. It’s how every capitalist business operates.

    2. Easy answer: No one should be allowed to do anything unless it’s in everyone’s best interests.

      And by “everyone” I mean everyone except Christians, people with a drawl, people who wear flannel without irony, et. al.

  17. Another interesting question for tonight’s debate might be whether Hillary will continue to pay thugs to instigate violence and disrupt her political enemies’ speeches–after she becomes President.

  18. Every time I see reason appealing to the authority of millennials by saying “millienals think…”, I am reminded of the recent poll that came out that found a majority of millennials think George Bush killed more people than Stalin. Sorry, but their opinion isn’t much of an authority to appeal to.

    Maybe instead of a debate we should have a national teach in where millennials have some of the basics of 20th century history and economics explained to them.

    1. Has there ever been a generation better prepared to be victims of an authoritarian demagogue than the millennials?

      1. Sadly no. They are slowly figuring out how badly they are being screwed but they lack the knowledge base and reasoning skills to understand why. Anger combined with the inability to understand the situation is a very bad combination.

        1. I lost faith in the them over cash for clunkers and ObamaCare’s individual mandate.

          I remember seeing a stat here at the time saying that millenials overwhelmingly supported cash for clunkers–which immediately created a shortage of old beat up cars that kids that age have traditionally used for transportation. The program was meant to bolster sales of GM and Chrysler cars in the wake of Obama bailing out the UAW and nationalizing GM, but it was meant to screw millenials out of cheap beat up cars. It was like the Obama Administration sat down and said, “Well, these millenials are too stupid to stick up for themselves–so we’ll just tell them it’s about getting polluters off the road and they’ll be all over it”.

          The individual mandate was the same way. The entire system was built to try to force millenials to buy insurance coverage specifically because they won’t use it–in order to make insurance premiums cheaper for older people.

          After that, I stopped feeling sorry for millenials. It’s like a battered wife who bails her drunken abusive husband out of jail and drops the battery charges for the third time. When she gets beaten up again, at some point, you gotta throw up your hands. You can’t save people who willfully refuse to stand up for themselves.

          1. At this point I’m worried less about saving millennials than I am about millennials saving me.

          2. I was pissed about Cash for Clunkers until it doubled the resale value of my truck just as I was unloading it.

            Woo Hoo!

    2. Every time I see reason appealing to the authority of millennials by saying “millienals think…”, I am reminded of the recent poll that came out that found a majority of millennials think George Bush killed more people than Stalin. Sorry, but their opinion isn’t much of an authority to appeal to.

      Not just this but, IMO, it generally reverses the standard/understood flow of knowledge wisdom. Children, for generations, have believed they were smarter than their parents and, for generations, have gotten to their parents age and generally realized how stupid they were. I think Boomers are, in part, to blame for this. They’re the first generation to get stuck with their VCR lights blinking or unable to get connected to the WiFi and be compelled to ask people their junior by 10 yrs. or more for help. I don’t see kids online for hours on end and think, “Oh, they must be enriching themselves by visiting the Smithsonian or reading through Hayek!” nor do I, in any way, correlate youth with clarity of understanding or worldliness.

      1. Boomers are in part to blame for the reversal that is.

      2. ,i.They’re the first generation to get stuck with their VCR lights blinking or unable to get connected to the WiFi and be compelled to ask people their junior by 10 yrs. or more for help.

        Millennials also aren’t nearly as technologically savvy as people think they are.

        1. It’s Gen X that actually built the damned things and has some clue how they actually work.

          “TL;DR? Why not just go watch another five second video of a kitten with its head in a toilet roll, or a 140 character description of a meal your friend just stuffed in their mouth. “nom nom”. This blog post is not for you.”

          Epic.

    3. …a majority of millennials think George Bush killed more people than Stalin.

      In fairness to them, I’m in my forties and don’t recall ever being taught about the crimes of Stalin in any of my history classes. In fact, communism in general seemed to be handled with kid gloves all throughout my schooling.

    4. I am reminded of the recent poll that came out that found a majority of millennials think George Bush killed more people than Stalin.

      1/3 is not a majority

  19. I have to disagree with this guy that millennials under 30 are dumb because of the internet. I think the internet has done a fine job of teaching millennials like myself about free markets. I didn’t learn about economics at my public school. Although I was a huge fan of history and took AP courses, I noticed the kids in the non-honors classes didn’t receive as many tests and as much homework as me. Some of these kids barely scraped by taking their exit exams to graduate and this was before MySpace and Facebook. These kids weren’t into school because they preferred partying or doing drugs as I recall. It depends on your motivation and willingness to learn. The internet in my opinion, has enlightened many to ideas that aren’t taught in school. However, I will say that it can be hard to find out what information is reliable and which is just biased considering that journalism has become less about facts and more about opinions claiming to be facts.

    1. One of the things that the internet has changed significantly is the value of general knowledge.

      It’s hard for people to imagine what it was like before anybody could fact check anything anyone said by grabbing their phone. Be it at the bar, the dinner table, around the water cooler, wherever, it used to be that the guy with the loudest voice, most confidence, and biggest credentials won the debate over the facts. That just isn’t true anymore when every idiot in the bar can reach into their pockets and fact check your ass instantaneously.

      At one point, there was a rash of plagiarism among journalists, nonfiction writers, et. al.–partially because before everything was on the internet, in order for anyone to notice that you plagiarized something, they had to have read what you plagiarized–and remember it. Nowadays, you can’t turn in a English composition paper without it being run through a database to check it against everything on the internet for plagarism.

    2. Anyway, I don’t think the internet has made millenials less knowledgeable. I think it has made general knowledge less valuable. Knowing a lot of things used to be important in its own right. It’s sort of like how the calculator changed mathematics. Being able to do long calculations and get the right answer used to be really impressive. What a bunch of wasted energy that is now! Who cares whether you screwed up the square root of 257 on paper? You’re gonna check it with a calculator (or online) in the real world anyway.

      And yeah, general knowledge ain’t as important as it used to be. It gives you an advantage in knowing what people are talking about and where to look for an answer. But if you had an argument of fact in the past, you might have to drive to the library and check out a book.

      1. Calculators changed arithmetic.

  20. Christopher Koopman of the Mercatus Center pushes back on this [notion that millennials hate capitalism], noting, among other things, that millennials don’t actually know what socialism means[.]

    To be fair to millennials, not even socialists themselves know what Socialism means.

    Perhaps at no time in history has it been more important to differentiate genuine capitalism from the mutant system that has dominated economic policy over the last decade.

    Those of us who know and understand economic history call it by what it is: Fascism.

    It was fashionable back after World War I; it was fashionable as the answer to “unbridled Capitalism” back in the 30’s; it was fashionable when people called it the “Third Way” and the “Mixed Economy” and the “Managed Economy”; it is still fashionable today, except stoopid socialists keep calling it “capitalism”, demonstrating that they don’t know what capitalism is, either.

  21. Related:
    UN deletes tweet calling free market an “urgent threat”

    “This was a loony tweet, and it calls into question the judgment of the UN’s top human rights office,” said Neuer. “While millions of people are suffering from genocide, sexual slavery and starvation, it is far from clear why the UN would instead focus its attention on unidentifiable ‘urgent threats,’ let alone on economic subjects about which it has neither competence nor expertise,” said Neuer.

    Note: It’s from last month, but it just showed up in my feed today (from Bastiat Institute FB)… and I don’t remember seeing it here.

    1. where are there millions of sex slaves?

      1. (asking for a friend)

  22. I was pissed about Cash for Clunkers until it doubled the resale value of my truck just as I was unloading it.

    Parasite! Wrecker! Profiteer!

    Git ‘im!

  23. Changing a name doesnt change the nature of things. The word being avoided is ‘fascism’.

  24. and the answer is… Fuck all!

    Seriously, who didn’t know that?

    -jcr

  25. college-aged respondents are far more supportive of a “free-market system” (72%) than they are of a “government-managed economy” (49%).

    Which means a fair chunk of individual respondents favor both. Probably that point was made when these data were 1st published here.

  26. RE: Here’s a Great Question for Tonight’s Debate: What Are Clinton and Trump Going To Do about ‘Mutant Capitalism’? Millennials are rightly skeptical of an economic system that rewards politically connected cronies rather than innovation and hard work.

    1. Not enough politically correct indoctrination if the millennials are skeptical of an economic system that rewards cronyism instead of innovation and hard work. However, time and close examination of the political system our obvious betters have made for all of us will come shining through for them. Then the millennials will recognize the wonders, benefits and joys of being politically connected and take advantage of crony capitalism and embrace it as they should. The millennials will learn as the go along. Time is on my side.
    2. A good question I have for Laurel and Hardy, I mean Trump and Hillary, is what would their administration do if there was an economic collapse in this country? Oh, wait. That’s a hardball question. I shouldn’t rock the boat of the two elitist parties and force them to answer difficult questions.
    What was I thinking?

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